# Styles and Reese Shine at Combine, Latest Trade Rumors, and Dan Morgan and Dave Canales Join the Show

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 27 Feb 2026, 1 h 17 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook react to the first day of drills at the 2026 NFL Scouting Combine! Gregg and Nick tell you what they thought of the dominant performances from Sonny Styles and Arvell Reese. Nick also shares what he saw on the field from David Bailey, Cashius Howell, and more! Gregg and Nick also react to the trade that sent Jermaine Johnson from the Jets to the Titans in exchange for T'Vondre Sweat, Anthony Richardson being linked to the Vikings, the reported asking price for Maxx Crosby and other news coming out of the combine. Plus, Carolina Panthers GM Dan Morgan and HC Dave Canales join the show! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've got a perfect relative
[0:08] Speaker 1: athletics score. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm in my garage back
[0:12] Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, in front of a live studio audience
[0:15] Speaker 1: of one my son across the country, free and fresh
[0:20] Speaker 1: from Lucas Oil Stadium. It is Nick Shook, back in
[0:24] Speaker 1: his hotel room at the end of a long day
[0:27] Speaker 1: watching prospects. I am happy to see you again, Nick.
[0:31] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, it's funny. I think it's the
[0:33] Speaker 2: last three or four years we both go to the combine.
[0:36] Speaker 2: We fail to see each other at the combine like
[0:38] Speaker 2: two ships passing in the night. So it is good,
[0:41] Speaker 2: indeed to see you again as well.
[0:42] Speaker 1: And look, the NFL Daily fans, the Shook ones out
[0:46] Speaker 1: there have been saying where's Nick. Last time we talked
[0:49] Speaker 1: to him was on the Super Bowl show, and so
[0:51] Speaker 1: only big time shows for Nick. We're going to go
[0:53] Speaker 1: through the front seven and the defense worked out on
[0:57] Speaker 1: Thursday in Indianapolis, the defensive lineman, the edge players, of course,
[1:02] Speaker 1: the linebackers. Great day for a lot of them, especially
[1:06] Speaker 1: those linebackers. Will also do a little bit of news.
[1:09] Speaker 1: We had a trade. It's already starting to happen, some
[1:12] Speaker 1: other releases, some other little bits and bobs, and then
[1:15] Speaker 1: at the end of the show, we're going to listen
[1:16] Speaker 1: to a couple of interviews I did before I left
[1:19] Speaker 1: town with the Panthers brain trust. Definitely a rising team
[1:23] Speaker 1: until we talked to GM Dan Morgan and the coach
[1:26] Speaker 1: Dave Canalis. But just give me a little big picture
[1:30] Speaker 1: of your overall day before we start breaking down the
[1:33] Speaker 1: different positions. You're in the stadium watching it. How did
[1:37] Speaker 1: you think day one went here at the twenty six combine.
[1:40] Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the overall day, it always begins
[1:43] Speaker 2: with with your player interviews. And I listened to Caleb
[1:46] Speaker 2: Downs so we'll be working out tomorrow, talk about how
[1:49] Speaker 2: he believes that when he steps in the field, he
[1:52] Speaker 2: knows he's the best player. If he told if you
[1:54] Speaker 2: claimed that he thought somebody else was, it would be
[1:56] Speaker 2: a lie, is what he said. And then he continued
[1:58] Speaker 2: with the workouts and we had some really really intriguing
[2:02] Speaker 2: guys in the defensive line that I'm very curious to
[2:05] Speaker 2: see where they'll all fall in the draft. You didn't
[2:08] Speaker 2: have a couple of guys that were big names participating
[2:10] Speaker 2: with the edge rushers you had Sunny Styles blow up
[2:13] Speaker 2: the combine and the deepest linebacker like class that I
[2:17] Speaker 2: believe I've seen in my basically a decade covering this combine.
[2:20] Speaker 3: I think this is the deepest group yet.
[2:22] Speaker 1: And I love that you mentioned Caleb down to what
[2:24] Speaker 1: we'll hear from tomorrow. We'll watch Jeremiah Love, the running
[2:28] Speaker 1: back from Notre Dame later in the week. And it
[2:30] Speaker 1: is really interesting because I think if you go around
[2:32] Speaker 1: and just ask people in Indianapolis, who's the best player
[2:36] Speaker 1: in the draft, kind of take away the position. So
[2:39] Speaker 1: you know, Mendoza's Fernando Mendoz is going to be the
[2:41] Speaker 1: number one pick. Who's just the best player in the draft.
[2:44] Speaker 1: There's a lot of different players who could you could
[2:47] Speaker 1: make the case for in maybe Sunny Styles. The Ohio
[2:50] Speaker 1: State linebacker put himself in that mix with a huge
[2:53] Speaker 1: combine performance. I think he saw three of them today.
[2:56] Speaker 1: We just mentioned two more of them, and it's just
[2:59] Speaker 1: one of those wide open drafts. So let's start there.
[3:01] Speaker 1: Sunny Styles blew up the combine and and look, his
[3:05] Speaker 1: teammate Rvel Reese was not far behind. These are two
[3:08] Speaker 1: guys that were already in the top five of a
[3:11] Speaker 1: lot of people's boards, even if they weren't. In mock drafts.
[3:15] Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah had them both in his top five rvel
[3:18] Speaker 1: Reese number two overall. But Styles was an absolute tank
[3:23] Speaker 1: just in the measurements. If you're someone that was online
[3:26] Speaker 1: all day, it was just watching this dude's case build
[3:29] Speaker 1: and build throughout the day because his just body is
[3:32] Speaker 1: an absolute tank. And then he performed. I don't think
[3:36] Speaker 1: it's exaggerating, like one of the best linebackers slash, just
[3:40] Speaker 1: pure player performances maybe we've ever seen at the combine.
[3:43] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:43] Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's funny because you're right, it did start with
[3:45] Speaker 2: the measurements. Then it started with the testing that happens
[3:47] Speaker 2: on the side, and I remember hearing like an audible
[3:50] Speaker 2: pop when he hit his vertical jumps as they're you know,
[3:53] Speaker 2: doing their testing before the linebackers come out and do
[3:55] Speaker 2: their job, and I'm thinking, oh, somebody just jumped, you know,
[3:57] Speaker 2: put a big number up. And then we have the
[4:00] Speaker 2: broadcast playing in the suite. Moments later they cut to it.
[4:03] Speaker 2: It's Sunny Styles, and I'm thinking, all right, this is
[4:05] Speaker 2: the athletic player that I've known as an Ohio State fan.
[4:08] Speaker 2: Was always there, the guy that was good enough to
[4:09] Speaker 2: earn the block O jersey aka Number zero with Ohio
[4:13] Speaker 2: State this past season, finally kind of showing off his
[4:16] Speaker 2: athleticism to the rest of the pro football world. And
[4:19] Speaker 2: then he goes out and he runs the fastest forty
[4:22] Speaker 2: if any guy in the linebacker group, which also includes
[4:24] Speaker 2: rvel Reeves as the only edge rusher in that group,
[4:27] Speaker 2: and he's the heaviest of all the linebackers, did it
[4:30] Speaker 2: at the highest weight, put the fastest forty time down,
[4:32] Speaker 2: cementing the triple crown with the broad jump eleven foot
[4:35] Speaker 2: two inch broad jump, the crazy vertical jump, the forty time,
[4:40] Speaker 2: and then he crushes all the drills.
[4:42] Speaker 3: He just dominated the combine.
[4:43] Speaker 2: It's one of those performances that we're going to look
[4:45] Speaker 2: back on years from now and that's going to be
[4:47] Speaker 2: the new standard that all these other guys are going
[4:50] Speaker 2: to aspire to try to reach.
[4:52] Speaker 1: So they still have the agility of drills. I guess
[4:54] Speaker 1: they separated those by days. So technically the route the
[4:59] Speaker 1: testing is in die and the relative athletics score which
[5:02] Speaker 1: is put together isn't exactly complete, but right now he
[5:06] Speaker 1: would be ranked first out of thirty two hundred and
[5:09] Speaker 1: fifteen linebackers.
[5:11] Speaker 2: When the NFL sat again to set it again, see
[5:12] Speaker 2: it again, thirty two hundred and fifteen three thou two
[5:17] Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen linebackers.
[5:18] Speaker 1: Well, literally the best vertical leap ever, I think from
[5:22] Speaker 1: the position the fourth best I think in terms of
[5:26] Speaker 1: the broad jump. I might be mixing up those two,
[5:28] Speaker 1: but either way, they were right there. Like the comps
[5:30] Speaker 1: in terms of his heightweight speed were DK Metcalf, Nick
[5:35] Speaker 1: M and Worry. And to do that as a linebacker
[5:38] Speaker 1: six foot four, two hundred and forty four pounds, like
[5:41] Speaker 1: huge arms, wingspan at like bigger than almost anyone else,
[5:45] Speaker 1: and a guy that the tape backs it up that
[5:48] Speaker 1: it's just these two different styles. Now, I think among
[5:52] Speaker 1: maybe people who aren't, you know, among the average Draftnick
[5:56] Speaker 1: he was ranked a little lower, like he's twelfth on
[5:59] Speaker 1: the consensus, But for instance, DJ had him fifth, and
[6:04] Speaker 1: I think the league maybe already viewed him higher. And
[6:06] Speaker 1: I think this crazy day that he had Jeremiah said
[6:12] Speaker 1: it on the broadcast, is now going to maybe put
[6:14] Speaker 1: him at least in that discussion where you're thinking about
[6:17] Speaker 1: is this guy a top five pick? Is five even
[6:20] Speaker 1: gonna be like the floor for him if you think
[6:22] Speaker 1: about the Giants who would need him, and could the
[6:25] Speaker 1: Jets be thinking, hmm, are we now deciding between Sonny Styles,
[6:29] Speaker 1: Rvel Reeves, David Bailey like among those three guys for
[6:33] Speaker 1: the number two overall pick.
[6:34] Speaker 2: It's a good problem to have, and I think it
[6:37] Speaker 2: kind of gives you a good example of what can
[6:39] Speaker 2: happen to a player's reputation from their junior year to
[6:43] Speaker 2: their senior year or whatever, their their penultimate year to
[6:45] Speaker 2: their final year in college if they are lined up
[6:48] Speaker 2: next to somebody who absolutely blossoms in the following year.
[6:51] Speaker 3: Because that's what's happened to Sony Styles.
[6:53] Speaker 2: He's always been this linebacker, like, for example, he was
[6:56] Speaker 2: always my dad's favorite linebacker at Ohio State. He loves
[7:00] Speaker 2: was how he said his name right. But Arvilla Reese
[7:02] Speaker 2: explodes this year and becomes this dominant player and ends
[7:05] Speaker 2: up being the more prominent defender in this nation's best defense,
[7:09] Speaker 2: this Ohio State defense that had ballers at every level.
[7:12] Speaker 2: At Caleb Downs back there, you had Rees, and you
[7:13] Speaker 2: had Styles, you had McDonald at the defensive line. That
[7:16] Speaker 2: they had guys at every level, And so people kind
[7:19] Speaker 2: of forgot about styles. Even the draftnicks kind of forgot
[7:21] Speaker 2: about styles because when you thought about that defense, you
[7:24] Speaker 2: thought about Reese and his production, and again it just
[7:26] Speaker 2: overshadowed what he did. But this is how you can
[7:28] Speaker 2: rescue your draft stock by coming out here and being
[7:31] Speaker 2: an athletic freak on the biggest stage in the pre
[7:34] Speaker 2: draft process and taking back your narrative and shooting back
[7:38] Speaker 2: up the draft board. And it opens up this debate
[7:40] Speaker 2: that's like threefold, which is you go between Reese and Bailey.
[7:43] Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Aiden Hutchinson versus Trayvon Walker
[7:46] Speaker 2: debate of a few years ago. Which one do you
[7:48] Speaker 2: take at number one or versus number two, the more
[7:51] Speaker 2: polished producer who ended up being Hutchinson or the guy
[7:53] Speaker 2: with the higher upside who was Walker. That's essentially what
[7:56] Speaker 2: people view Reese as well. And I can throw Styles
[7:58] Speaker 2: into the mix, not as a one to one comparison,
[8:01] Speaker 2: but also another candidate for these teams like the Jets,
[8:03] Speaker 2: who have a lot to determine.
[8:05] Speaker 3: And it's a good problem to have if.
[8:06] Speaker 4: You're the Jets.
[8:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to focus on the combine tonight
[8:09] Speaker 1: because we're going to dive into these players deeper throughout
[8:11] Speaker 1: the process. But it is funny to me because I
[8:13] Speaker 1: saw someone write about sunny styles. This might be one
[8:18] Speaker 1: of the best like inside linebacker prospects we've seen in
[8:22] Speaker 1: a long time. And I'm thinking, what about RL Reese
[8:27] Speaker 1: because sees him as an edge and at least the
[8:34] Speaker 1: guy who split his time pretty equally at edge and
[8:37] Speaker 1: off ball linebacker. But he goes out tonight and he
[8:40] Speaker 1: runs a four to four six. The official times actually
[8:42] Speaker 1: were the exact same. He is an absolute tank. During
[8:46] Speaker 1: both of the position drills, they looked incredible. Their ten
[8:48] Speaker 1: yards splits were incredible, and there are there's reasonable minds
[8:52] Speaker 1: can disagree, but you know, we we're going to talk
[8:54] Speaker 1: to Ali Connelly on the show throughout the draft process,
[8:57] Speaker 1: and he really thinks recently is going to be better
[9:00] Speaker 1: as an off ball linebacker. He thinks he's he's a
[9:03] Speaker 1: linebacker guy, and he thinks Reese is the best linebacker
[9:06] Speaker 1: prospect potentially since Luke Keigley. And so that's two guys
[9:09] Speaker 1: on one team. You're in the building before we move
[9:12] Speaker 1: on from these two kind of what what did you
[9:14] Speaker 1: see out of their position drills?
[9:16] Speaker 2: In Ree specifically, it's so funny that you mentioned that,
[9:19] Speaker 2: because I was going through this in my head as
[9:21] Speaker 2: we're watching all of this happen and listened to DJ
[9:22] Speaker 2: on the broadcast talk about how he sees Reese who's gonna,
[9:25] Speaker 2: you know, his but his bread's gonna be buttered at
[9:27] Speaker 2: edge in the NFL, and I'm thinking, Okay, I get that,
[9:30] Speaker 2: I understand that, But that's actually the biggest question mark
[9:33] Speaker 2: on his resume as of now is how you know
[9:35] Speaker 2: developed of a pass rusher?
[9:36] Speaker 3: Are you?
[9:37] Speaker 2: He was a very good edgesetter when he played up
[9:39] Speaker 2: on the ball at Ohio State, but he was a
[9:41] Speaker 2: really dynamic linebacker off the ball no matter who they played,
[9:44] Speaker 2: whether it was Texas in their first game of the season,
[9:46] Speaker 2: Michigan in their last game of this regular season, he
[9:49] Speaker 2: was always the guys making plays from the second level,
[9:51] Speaker 2: shooting the run gaps, doing whatever was necessary to really
[9:54] Speaker 2: make a huge difference. No matter what game you put on,
[9:56] Speaker 2: he was always there as their best defensive player. And
[10:00] Speaker 2: I think that it would kind of sell him short
[10:02] Speaker 2: to just force him into the edge rusher role when
[10:05] Speaker 2: we've seen significant amounts of tape at least over one
[10:08] Speaker 2: season in which he can thrive at that position and
[10:10] Speaker 2: was a difference making player on the best defense in
[10:13] Speaker 2: college football. And the comparison I came to in my
[10:16] Speaker 2: head was kind of the arc of Micah Parsons, because
[10:20] Speaker 2: when Parsons came out of Penn State, he did a
[10:22] Speaker 2: little bit of both as well. And when he started
[10:24] Speaker 2: with the Cowboys, he was off ball as much as
[10:26] Speaker 2: he was on ball, and he was a sideline to the
[10:27] Speaker 2: sideline player, and eventually he was kind of forced into
[10:30] Speaker 2: the edge rushing role. Now, of course, you can do
[10:32] Speaker 2: what the Packers did with him this year, which is
[10:34] Speaker 2: line him up in the a gap from time to
[10:35] Speaker 2: time to show you some weird pressure looking freak out
[10:37] Speaker 2: the offensive lineman and produce pressures.
[10:40] Speaker 3: And you could do that with Reese too.
[10:41] Speaker 2: I just think that if you're going to maximize his
[10:43] Speaker 2: talent pinning him into the sand or into the edge
[10:46] Speaker 2: rushing position and just asking him to hunt the quarterback,
[10:49] Speaker 2: I think you're selling yourself short on what you could
[10:51] Speaker 2: potentially get, especially the guy who's going to get drafted
[10:53] Speaker 2: as highly as he's going to be.
[10:55] Speaker 1: Right, I think Parsons it became clear at the that
[11:00] Speaker 1: he was just better. He was better as an addresser.
[11:04] Speaker 1: I think I am excited to go through the tape more.
[11:08] Speaker 1: But in terms of instincts and just having a natural
[11:11] Speaker 1: feel for the position, I think it might be a
[11:13] Speaker 1: different conversation for NFL teams of just Okay, let's see
[11:16] Speaker 1: what it can do. And obviously having that ability as
[11:19] Speaker 1: a blitzer is always going to be a huge, huge plus.
[11:22] Speaker 1: You kind of need that at the NFL level. That's
[11:23] Speaker 1: where the best linebackers are anyways. So it's fascinating since
[11:26] Speaker 1: you were there, though, like what did you see just
[11:29] Speaker 1: from those two guys and at in terms of the
[11:32] Speaker 1: position drills in the stadium? Like what did you like?
[11:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, That's why I kind of mentioned the
[11:36] Speaker 2: whole strength of the class as a whole, because there's
[11:38] Speaker 2: been many years where I've sat there and there's maybe
[11:40] Speaker 2: one or two guys that you're like, Okay, this guy's
[11:43] Speaker 2: a stud. The rest of them forgettable. We'll see how
[11:45] Speaker 2: long they last in the NFL. This group this year
[11:48] Speaker 2: had a ton of talented guys, and if it wasn't
[11:50] Speaker 2: for recent styles at the top of the class, there
[11:52] Speaker 2: were multiple other guys who would have been the best
[11:54] Speaker 2: linebacker in their class in previous years. And they get
[11:56] Speaker 2: overshadowed by the two buck eyes. But when you watched Reese,
[12:00] Speaker 2: you watch Styles. First off, they're polished. Their explosive just
[12:04] Speaker 2: fluidity is off the charts. They are natural athletes. I
[12:08] Speaker 2: thought watching Reese finish a play where like you know,
[12:10] Speaker 2: you're running through the cone at the end and then
[12:12] Speaker 2: watching the next guy do it, and I'm like, there
[12:14] Speaker 2: is a noticeable gap in how quickly they get from
[12:17] Speaker 2: point A to point B, and the same was true
[12:19] Speaker 2: with Styles. Now he stumbled a couple of times, but
[12:21] Speaker 2: to kind of paint the picture of how explosive he
[12:24] Speaker 2: is as as an athlete.
[12:25] Speaker 3: They're doing this pass rushing drill.
[12:27] Speaker 2: They're going around the bag and he wipes out, but
[12:30] Speaker 2: he wiped out like incredibly violently before getting up and
[12:33] Speaker 2: trying to finish the drill. Like that's how explosive of
[12:36] Speaker 2: a player he is. And you could just see the
[12:38] Speaker 2: difference between those two and the rest, although the difference
[12:41] Speaker 2: wasn't as wise as it would be in a typical
[12:42] Speaker 2: year because there is so much other talent. I think
[12:44] Speaker 2: about the Texas tech Jacob btt Rodriguez, Kid Betcher from Oregon,
[12:48] Speaker 2: I thought I did really well and the drills, didn't
[12:50] Speaker 2: test quite as well. There's a number of other guys,
[12:52] Speaker 2: as a kid from Cincinnati that is also a very
[12:55] Speaker 2: good linebacker. So there's a lot of depth in this group,
[12:57] Speaker 2: more than I've seen over the last decade. But it's
[12:59] Speaker 2: very clear who the top two guys are.
[13:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacob Brodriguez from Texas Tech didn't know how he
[13:05] Speaker 1: would test and ran really well, looked really good for
[13:08] Speaker 1: his size. A guy maybe believed to be kind of
[13:11] Speaker 1: a late too, he might have pushed himself up before
[13:13] Speaker 1: we move on from the linebackers to the lineman. If
[13:16] Speaker 1: if you've got any other shout outs at linebacker, go
[13:19] Speaker 1: for it. If not, tell me what you stuck out
[13:23] Speaker 1: to you most at defensive line.
[13:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, the kid from Cincinnat's name is Jake's Jake Goldey.
[13:28] Speaker 2: I think he was a guy that most people expected
[13:31] Speaker 2: to test pretty well, and then he lived up to
[13:33] Speaker 2: that and then also did really well in the drills,
[13:35] Speaker 2: and I think he earned himself some money tonight. Wesley Saint,
[13:40] Speaker 2: I think that's how you say it from Miami. He
[13:42] Speaker 2: didn't test really well, but I love the way he
[13:44] Speaker 2: looked in the drills. He made a super athletic grab
[13:46] Speaker 2: running down the line in one of the early change
[13:49] Speaker 2: of direction drills and kind of made a lot of
[13:51] Speaker 2: plays like that throughout his workout on the field.
[13:54] Speaker 3: I thought he was good.
[13:55] Speaker 2: There's this under six foot linebacker from pitt his name's
[13:58] Speaker 2: Kyle Lewis, and I think he's basically a box safety,
[14:01] Speaker 2: but he was really quick because I think he's a
[14:03] Speaker 2: box safety. Jack Kelly from BYU had a strong showing,
[14:06] Speaker 2: and then you had the kid from Duke and then
[14:09] Speaker 2: Anthony Hill Junior from Texas as well. That was like
[14:11] Speaker 2: my honorable mentions group from this overall linebacking group. But
[14:15] Speaker 2: I mean, there's this is the first time where I
[14:17] Speaker 2: put together three linebackers for the All Combine team and
[14:19] Speaker 2: felt really good about all.
[14:20] Speaker 1: Right, like your All Combined team, we're gonna be hitting
[14:23] Speaker 1: the rest of the positions. On a Sunday night recap show,
[14:26] Speaker 1: Nick Shook is working long hours there in Indianapolis, and yeah,
[14:30] Speaker 1: it is crazy how many linebackers, for instance, Rodriguez, Kyle
[14:34] Speaker 1: Lewis you mentioned, who are kind of projected to be
[14:37] Speaker 1: in that day to range. So just like a really
[14:39] Speaker 1: deep year at the position. Let's go to the edge
[14:43] Speaker 1: spot where you know, the headline was definitely David Bailey,
[14:48] Speaker 1: very slight favorite right now to be the number two
[14:52] Speaker 1: overall pick in terms of the if you wanted to
[14:55] Speaker 1: get into the wagering of it all in Vegas, tell
[14:59] Speaker 1: me about his day as as kind of edge one.
[15:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, here's the thing so I had.
[15:05] Speaker 2: I was kind of confused about how to organize these
[15:07] Speaker 2: because of the Reese discussion that we just had right
[15:10] Speaker 2: because they.
[15:11] Speaker 1: Could be anywhere whatever you want to put him Bailey.
[15:13] Speaker 2: Bailey is the most polished edge out there. But we
[15:16] Speaker 2: also didn't see ruben Bain perform. We didn't see Masidor perform.
[15:20] Speaker 2: Both of the Miami edge rushers, they did not participate
[15:23] Speaker 2: in the on field workout. There was also the talk
[15:25] Speaker 2: about ruben Bain's arm length that we've heard all week,
[15:27] Speaker 2: and that was another topic today when he came in
[15:30] Speaker 2: under thirty one inches, which was a mild surprise to
[15:33] Speaker 2: even those who thought they had him, you know, projected best.
[15:36] Speaker 2: But for the guys that were on the field, Bailey
[15:37] Speaker 2: right now has the most complete package for somebody that's
[15:40] Speaker 2: pro ready as an edge rusher.
[15:43] Speaker 4: He did.
[15:43] Speaker 2: He posts a four five forty twelve nine broad jump,
[15:47] Speaker 2: you know, crushed it and actually I think it was
[15:50] Speaker 2: ten nine on the broad ject at twelve nine and
[15:52] Speaker 2: huge vert.
[15:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[15:55] Speaker 2: His athleticism score was eighty from next Gen and he
[15:59] Speaker 2: was solid throughout the drills. He's a natural athlete, like
[16:02] Speaker 2: he's just he has that burst. He just looks like
[16:06] Speaker 2: like the fit of an edge rusher. The way he moves,
[16:08] Speaker 2: you can just tell it's a pro level guy. But
[16:11] Speaker 2: there was an interesting detail I found in his workout
[16:13] Speaker 2: that I didn't notice before, and I don't really think
[16:15] Speaker 2: it's gonna matter all that much. He fired his feet
[16:18] Speaker 2: at a higher rate than I've seen anybody else do
[16:20] Speaker 2: on the field in quite a while at that position
[16:22] Speaker 2: group and among the guys that he was on the
[16:24] Speaker 2: field with tonight.
[16:24] Speaker 3: But there was an interesting way that he went around.
[16:26] Speaker 2: Some of the turns and these like agility drills where
[16:28] Speaker 2: you're changing direction, whereas like some guys might take three
[16:31] Speaker 2: steps to get around a corner and they might cut
[16:34] Speaker 2: really sharply, and Bailey's feet are so fast that like
[16:37] Speaker 2: he like pedals them down and like rotates around the turn.
[16:40] Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's unique, and I wonder how that's
[16:43] Speaker 2: going to translate. But you can't deny the production at
[16:45] Speaker 2: Texas Tech. He was a huge difference maker and he's
[16:48] Speaker 2: it's totally justified for him to be considered a top
[16:51] Speaker 2: five pick.
[16:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. Then, and they showed him on one of those
[16:55] Speaker 1: drills kind of matching him up with another one of
[16:57] Speaker 1: the players. Now I forget which one was. I don't
[16:59] Speaker 1: think goes cash as hell and and they and they
[17:03] Speaker 1: looked almost too similar in a way. The DJ kind
[17:06] Speaker 1: of hinted just that like just like a hint of stiffness,
[17:09] Speaker 1: which is is crazy and it's probably nitpicking, but when
[17:12] Speaker 1: you went with his measurements and his size, like the
[17:16] Speaker 1: closest comp was von Miller, which is just but he
[17:20] Speaker 1: doesn't seem to necessarily have that sort of same bend.
[17:23] Speaker 1: I mean, who does that?
[17:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the bend.
[17:25] Speaker 1: The bend is not there, right, but that's the all
[17:27] Speaker 1: time bend guy I did. Like next Gen stats has
[17:30] Speaker 1: a production score of just like total production over the
[17:33] Speaker 1: last five years. And here's your top five players over
[17:37] Speaker 1: the last five years. Number one was Will Anderson. Now
[17:42] Speaker 1: I forget what the order was. Bailey is in the
[17:45] Speaker 1: mix there. Then it's Abdull Carter, Aiden Hutchinson is in
[17:51] Speaker 1: the mix as well, and Reuben Bain was also in
[17:54] Speaker 1: that top five, So that's a good list to be on.
[17:56] Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't mess with that production.
[17:59] Speaker 1: And going back to yeah, you talked about the short arms,
[18:03] Speaker 1: There's never been a top one hundred pick at that
[18:06] Speaker 1: position with sub thirty one inch arms. A lot of people, though,
[18:09] Speaker 1: say the way that he wins with his powers and
[18:12] Speaker 1: the counters that he's actually come up with and leverage,
[18:14] Speaker 1: like the short arms are almost an advantage for him,
[18:17] Speaker 1: and he's kind of shown he can overcome it at
[18:20] Speaker 1: a high level. Also, Adam Schefter had a very funny
[18:24] Speaker 1: tweet that said, actually two teams measured him at thirty
[18:28] Speaker 1: two inches and these combine measurements have been really small
[18:32] Speaker 1: over the years. So yeah, you definitely wonder where Adam
[18:34] Speaker 1: Schefter is getting that information. I'm sure it was coming
[18:37] Speaker 1: from the Ruben Bain camp. But I don't know where
[18:40] Speaker 1: you're at in terms of concerns, because remember the whole
[18:43] Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson deal, like a couple of years ago. Of
[18:46] Speaker 1: his short arms obviously hasn't been a problem for him,
[18:50] Speaker 1: but Bains was like another inch inch and a half
[18:53] Speaker 1: I think shorter.
[18:55] Speaker 2: I really only care about if you have short arms
[18:59] Speaker 2: as if you're a speed guy, because if you're gonna
[19:02] Speaker 2: win the speed, the best way to do is to
[19:04] Speaker 2: keep offensive lineman's hands off of you, and usually need
[19:06] Speaker 2: the length as well to prevent them from It's like boxing,
[19:09] Speaker 2: like the longer reach you can find on the outside
[19:10] Speaker 2: with a longer reach, right, So the same thing kind
[19:12] Speaker 2: of applies for ed rushers who win the speed.
[19:14] Speaker 3: Speed is not Bain's game. Bains game's power.
[19:17] Speaker 2: He's not gonna care if you get your hands on
[19:19] Speaker 2: him and his arms are short, because he's got the
[19:20] Speaker 2: power to overcome that. So I don't really care about
[19:23] Speaker 2: the arm length thing.
[19:24] Speaker 3: I think.
[19:24] Speaker 2: I think I've seen enough from his production at Miami
[19:27] Speaker 2: to know that he is a stud, and he's going
[19:28] Speaker 2: to be a stud at the next level. Take him,
[19:31] Speaker 2: don't worry about the length, and if he slides because
[19:33] Speaker 2: the length a little bit, then good for the team
[19:34] Speaker 2: that's there to scoop him up. And it also kind
[19:37] Speaker 2: of points to like we talked about hand size with quarterbacks.
[19:40] Speaker 2: I only care about hand size if you're catching or
[19:42] Speaker 2: holding the football as a running back, not as a quarterback.
[19:45] Speaker 2: It really doesn't matter to me. We think about Kenny
[19:46] Speaker 2: Pickett in his small hands, and you can continue to
[19:48] Speaker 2: go down the list with different guys. I think about
[19:50] Speaker 2: Ricky Williams had small hands that mattered, he had a
[19:52] Speaker 2: fumbling issue early in his career.
[19:53] Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about Drake May's hand size after
[19:56] Speaker 1: seeing him play in the cold in the playoffs.
[19:58] Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but it's just like, I don't care
[20:01] Speaker 2: as much about those measurements unless there's another player in
[20:05] Speaker 2: this group, for example, that I think the arm length
[20:09] Speaker 2: does matter because while Bain's arms are short, cash Is
[20:13] Speaker 2: hal from Texas A and M had even shorter arms,
[20:15] Speaker 2: and he is a speed winner, and I think that
[20:18] Speaker 2: he lost a good amount of stock today because of
[20:20] Speaker 2: his short arms, And it just the athleticism score doesn't
[20:24] Speaker 2: match up when you consider those measurements. And then you
[20:26] Speaker 2: watch his workout on the field and you're like, Okay,
[20:27] Speaker 2: I see the fluidity and the speed there, but something's
[20:30] Speaker 2: lacking that I don't think he's the first round pick
[20:32] Speaker 2: that a lot of people think that he is. And
[20:33] Speaker 2: so that's a case where measurement kind of does matter
[20:35] Speaker 2: because of the style that he plays with it doesn't
[20:37] Speaker 2: apply to Baine, though.
[20:38] Speaker 1: Interesting he was a guy who, according to NGS, was
[20:43] Speaker 1: the fastest in terms of the pass rush drill where
[20:47] Speaker 1: it's like rounding the corner that he was moving the fastest,
[20:51] Speaker 1: and that apparently matches up with his game tracking. He's
[20:56] Speaker 1: from A and M more of a speed rusher, a
[20:58] Speaker 1: guy projected for maybe the middle ish, maybe middle late
[21:02] Speaker 1: of the first round. So it's interesting. It's it's maybe
[21:06] Speaker 1: what you like because you could see that and say
[21:08] Speaker 1: he's he's moving the fastest around the corner, and you
[21:12] Speaker 1: get excited. I saw some other guys who just like,
[21:14] Speaker 1: did not look at smooth Keldric Falk. I believe it
[21:17] Speaker 1: was yes who just did not look as smooth to
[21:19] Speaker 1: me in the drills. Give me some of your favorites
[21:22] Speaker 1: and I guess least favorites too out of the edges.
[21:25] Speaker 2: Well with Hal, he also ran a four five nine forty,
[21:28] Speaker 2: which was not fast enough given you know his archetype
[21:31] Speaker 2: that he's a speed player. So I honestly think that
[21:33] Speaker 2: he may have fallen out of the first round entirely
[21:35] Speaker 2: after Wow, which is unfortunate, but that could be the reality.
[21:38] Speaker 2: When it comes to Falk, I'm glad you said that,
[21:40] Speaker 2: because I felt like, you know, he came in, He's
[21:42] Speaker 2: a kid from Auburn, and he came in with a
[21:43] Speaker 2: lot of promise, expected to be a first round pick,
[21:46] Speaker 2: and a lot of his drill was just the half
[21:50] Speaker 2: hazard in a way like it was just it wasn't clean.
[21:53] Speaker 2: A lot of his reps were not clean. There were
[21:55] Speaker 2: good moments. I thought he got stronger as the workout
[21:57] Speaker 2: progress once he gets to running the hoop, that sort
[21:59] Speaker 2: of thing that usually separates some of your premier players
[22:02] Speaker 2: from the rest of the pack, and I thought that
[22:03] Speaker 2: he was very good in that.
[22:04] Speaker 3: But earlier drills, you know.
[22:07] Speaker 2: Slips, stumbles, that sort of thing, not the quickest in
[22:09] Speaker 2: change of direction.
[22:10] Speaker 3: I was a bit surprised by that.
[22:13] Speaker 2: So he did not end up making it onto the
[22:15] Speaker 2: top of my group, but he did end up in
[22:18] Speaker 2: the houniable mentions because of the way that he finished.
[22:21] Speaker 2: Other guys that I liked at edge rusher George Gums,
[22:23] Speaker 2: which sounds like a fictional name, but he comes from
[22:26] Speaker 2: Florida and I thought he had a very impressive workout.
[22:30] Speaker 2: Romelo Height from Texas Tech, very explosive, good burst on
[22:33] Speaker 2: him as well.
[22:34] Speaker 3: Max Lowland. I think that's how you say from Iowa.
[22:38] Speaker 2: He's a classic Iowa edge rusher, kind of not really
[22:41] Speaker 2: in the mold of Lucas van Ness, but similar just
[22:44] Speaker 2: because you see kids from Iowa and they usually fit
[22:46] Speaker 2: these certain archetypes, and he definitely fits it. But he
[22:49] Speaker 2: was very polished. You could tell he'd play a lot
[22:51] Speaker 2: of football with the Hawkeyes. Vincent Anthony Junior from Duke,
[22:54] Speaker 2: that's actually the Duke kid that I referenced earlier. I
[22:57] Speaker 2: had him in the wrong position group. And then Mason
[22:59] Speaker 2: Rieger from wiscond much like kids from Iowa, Wisconsin edge rusher,
[23:03] Speaker 2: who is very polished, very controlled, and a little more
[23:06] Speaker 2: explosive than I thought he was. When he got into
[23:08] Speaker 2: some of those the short zone drop drills, he had
[23:11] Speaker 2: more burst than I thought. So I'm very intrigued by
[23:13] Speaker 2: him because a lot of his reps were when he
[23:16] Speaker 2: came to fundamentals, they were they were done very well.
[23:18] Speaker 1: Are you saying that Iowa has a type, you know,
[23:21] Speaker 1: like Iowa definitely has a type Kurcha type.
[23:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's exactly what I was thinking, except he's
[23:26] Speaker 2: faster Thanesa was.
[23:28] Speaker 1: Hey, they're the only ones that saw pass color and
[23:31] Speaker 1: gave Riley Moss a chance to play cornerback. Or maybe
[23:34] Speaker 1: they didn't see pass color, but either way, they took
[23:36] Speaker 1: advantage about to get a great second contract here, so
[23:41] Speaker 1: someone else should have should have snapped him up. Let's
[23:43] Speaker 1: fly through the defensive tackles before we take a break.
[23:47] Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by Caleb Banks, the Florida Prospect. You know,
[23:51] Speaker 1: in general, this was an interesting group because you know,
[23:55] Speaker 1: DJ has four guys kind of in that like late
[23:59] Speaker 1: first early second group, and they're all close. Lee Hunter
[24:03] Speaker 1: of Texas Tech, Caden McDonald of Ohio State looked like
[24:08] Speaker 1: had a fun day. Caleb Banks is also in that
[24:11] Speaker 1: mix and in Caleb Banks is a big dude six
[24:14] Speaker 1: six three twenty seven the longest wingspan of any defensive
[24:19] Speaker 1: lineman since nineteen ninety nine, that's just when they started
[24:21] Speaker 1: building it, so basically he has the longest wingspan in
[24:24] Speaker 1: the history of the combine. He kind of looks like
[24:26] Speaker 1: the Forrest Buckner out there, except he's like broad jumping
[24:30] Speaker 1: and athletically testing even better than that. Do you think
[24:33] Speaker 1: he's a he's a player and who stood out to you?
[24:37] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[24:37] Speaker 1: He did.
[24:37] Speaker 2: He actually doesn't end up making my all Combine team.
[24:40] Speaker 2: But it's not really not against him. He just didn't
[24:42] Speaker 2: jump out as much as a couple of the other
[24:43] Speaker 2: guys in the drills, so they did, but all the
[24:45] Speaker 2: things that you just meant went over, you know, puts
[24:47] Speaker 2: him up there in that group. I actually think it's
[24:49] Speaker 2: a very deep defensive tackle class this year because let's
[24:53] Speaker 2: think about like Peter Woods from Clemson, like doesn't get
[24:56] Speaker 2: out there and participate in the drills, doesn't run a forty,
[25:00] Speaker 2: but his measurable stack up he's usually at the top
[25:02] Speaker 2: of this group. And some of the other guys that
[25:05] Speaker 2: you just mentioned are also in there. But I also
[25:07] Speaker 2: some of the guys that jumped out to me on
[25:09] Speaker 2: the field that are not in this group that most consider.
[25:11] Speaker 2: Zane Durant from Penn State puts down the fastest forty
[25:14] Speaker 2: time as a defensive tackle, which how much do you
[25:17] Speaker 2: care about that? Think about Jordan Davis for me for
[25:19] Speaker 2: a few years back, and you're like, well, does that
[25:21] Speaker 2: really matter that much?
[25:22] Speaker 1: It doesn't accept tend though too. Zane Durant look crazy exactly.
[25:25] Speaker 1: His explosion was different from the rest.
[25:28] Speaker 2: Sometimes when you sit up in the suite at the
[25:29] Speaker 2: combine and you see these guys perform, there's one or
[25:32] Speaker 2: two that just move differently than the rest. I think about.
[25:34] Speaker 2: Tristan Wurfs was that way. Bjon Robinson was that way.
[25:37] Speaker 2: Zane Durant was that way. He was clearly of the
[25:40] Speaker 2: guys that were doing the drills today, the best one
[25:42] Speaker 2: out there. Explosive, very refined in his technique, very pro ready.
[25:47] Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see where he lands, because I'm
[25:49] Speaker 2: not sure if he makes it into that top five
[25:50] Speaker 2: group or if he's a great value pick for a
[25:52] Speaker 2: team that's picking outside of those top five defensive tackles
[25:55] Speaker 2: in Day two somewhere and makes some team really happy.
[25:59] Speaker 2: He was one of my guys in that group. I
[26:00] Speaker 2: was also very torn with my other inclusion on this
[26:05] Speaker 2: all combined team between two guys, Demante k Hard from Clemson,
[26:09] Speaker 2: who is just a violent defensive tackle, very athletic, long,
[26:14] Speaker 2: and then Caleb Proctor who spent his college career in
[26:17] Speaker 2: anonymity at Southeastern Louisiana. And I'm watching him move through
[26:21] Speaker 2: these drills and I'm like, he moves like an NFL player.
[26:24] Speaker 2: He moves as well as a lot of these other
[26:25] Speaker 2: guys do. How is he at Southeastern Louisiana the whole time,
[26:28] Speaker 2: and I think it's a size thing. I think that
[26:29] Speaker 2: when he finds his match with an NFL team, it's
[26:32] Speaker 2: got to be with a team that relies on a
[26:33] Speaker 2: lot of movement and stunts, because man on man, I
[26:36] Speaker 2: think he'll get buried.
[26:37] Speaker 3: But if you move him around and rely on.
[26:39] Speaker 2: His athleticism to get the an edge on a blocker,
[26:42] Speaker 2: he can make a difference.
[26:43] Speaker 4: He was.
[26:44] Speaker 2: I thought he cruised through a lot of these drills today.
[26:46] Speaker 2: He had great body control, super smooth and athletic. I
[26:49] Speaker 2: had just had a bunch of notes like that and
[26:51] Speaker 2: so fluid and things like that. So as the drills
[26:53] Speaker 2: went on, I was like, God, I think I got
[26:55] Speaker 2: to include this kid just because I'm very impressed with
[26:56] Speaker 2: how he moves now. Defensive line is kind of hard
[26:59] Speaker 2: to judge because what's at the core of a defensive
[27:02] Speaker 2: lineman is being able to be stout in the interior
[27:05] Speaker 2: and win shed blocks, fill gaps, that sort of thing,
[27:08] Speaker 2: and you're not getting that at the combine, So you
[27:09] Speaker 2: kind of have to judge how strong is their base,
[27:12] Speaker 2: how light are they on their feet, are they shifty?
[27:13] Speaker 3: Can they move back and forth? That sort of thing,
[27:15] Speaker 3: and he definitely did it.
[27:16] Speaker 2: But k Part, I think kind of projects as a
[27:19] Speaker 2: guy who put together a good athleticism showing he had
[27:23] Speaker 2: an eighty five athleticism score according to the next Gen Stats,
[27:25] Speaker 2: that was the third best among all defensive tackles.
[27:27] Speaker 3: Durant had the best at eighty nine.
[27:29] Speaker 2: The violence with which he plays and the fact that
[27:32] Speaker 2: you know he's a bigger guy, a longer guy, I
[27:34] Speaker 2: think that he projects to be somebody who could make
[27:36] Speaker 2: a difference there.
[27:37] Speaker 3: He was the first amount honorable mentions. I was very
[27:38] Speaker 3: impressed by him as well.
[27:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are two guys Zeene Durant Caleb Proctor
[27:43] Speaker 1: who were not in the consensus top one hundred going
[27:46] Speaker 1: into today. Now, the consensus boards there, it's maybe not
[27:50] Speaker 1: that accurate at this time of year. It's more about
[27:52] Speaker 1: what the draft knicks think than what the league thinks.
[27:55] Speaker 1: But it's just a collection of all the different big
[27:57] Speaker 1: boards out there, and it gives someone like me just
[28:00] Speaker 1: a general feeling of like where these guys are at.
[28:03] Speaker 1: So I think they help themselves today, just like Nick
[28:06] Speaker 1: Schuok is helping us out today. I love this time
[28:09] Speaker 1: of year going to school on these guys. I also
[28:13] Speaker 1: liked that Matt Ryan was there in the crowd. He's
[28:16] Speaker 1: not phoning this job in like Tom Brady, you know
[28:19] Speaker 1: what I mean. He's like really making it happen.
[28:22] Speaker 2: That makes me feel so special to be in the
[28:24] Speaker 2: same building as somebody who thought he could sit among
[28:26] Speaker 2: everybody else as the president of football for the Atlanta Falcons.
[28:29] Speaker 2: Almost as special as being in the sweet next to
[28:32] Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport made me feel today.
[28:33] Speaker 1: Ooh, that's great, and yeah, I like, you know, there's
[28:37] Speaker 1: this the Falcons right now, there's this whole debate whether
[28:41] Speaker 1: the Bears will get credit for Ian Cunningham going to
[28:46] Speaker 1: be the GM of the Falcons because you're supposed to
[28:49] Speaker 1: get draft picks if a minority candidate leaves from your
[28:54] Speaker 1: program and gets the highest ranking you know, football decision
[28:57] Speaker 1: maker job at another program, you actually get mid on
[29:00] Speaker 1: draft picks, and they're not right now because Matt Ryan
[29:04] Speaker 1: is above him on the totem pole, and him showing
[29:06] Speaker 1: up for the combine actually kind of supports the fact
[29:09] Speaker 1: that it probably is going to be Matt Ryan in
[29:12] Speaker 1: charge over There also bad moment for Aaron Glenn, who
[29:16] Speaker 1: was caught a sleep on NFL network. I'm not sure
[29:20] Speaker 1: because I know you're actually there watching what's happening. I'm
[29:23] Speaker 1: just looking at Twitter and Aaron Glenn was asleep. Someone
[29:27] Speaker 1: very clearly like said you know, yelled at him and
[29:31] Speaker 1: was like, you're asleep on camera right now, like Aaron.
[29:35] Speaker 1: And then he suddenly wakes up and he looks at
[29:36] Speaker 1: the camera, and because of there's a tape delay, I
[29:39] Speaker 1: think he looked up to see himself asleep on NFL network,
[29:43] Speaker 1: which is has to be like the worst way you
[29:45] Speaker 1: can possibly wake up. And unfortunately, I feel like it's
[29:48] Speaker 1: gonna be as it is moving forward.
[29:52] Speaker 2: It is when the Jets struggle, that's the first clip
[29:55] Speaker 2: that we're going to see popularized and just spread across
[29:57] Speaker 2: social media. But it's still not as bad as the
[29:59] Speaker 2: couple at the Cold Blake concert. So at least he's
[30:01] Speaker 2: got that.
[30:02] Speaker 1: He's got that. But I mean, I think Jets fans
[30:04] Speaker 1: at this point are like, can we just get through
[30:06] Speaker 1: a combine day without?
[30:07] Speaker 3: Hey man, long days?
[30:10] Speaker 1: Our organization just not embarrass us for a day. All right,
[30:13] Speaker 1: let's take a break. We're gonna come back and we're
[30:16] Speaker 1: gonna fly some through some news because I feel bad
[30:19] Speaker 1: right now, like Shuck's been working for fifteen hours straight.
[30:22] Speaker 1: We got to let him go get a steak or
[30:23] Speaker 1: something in Indianapolis. Back in a minute, back on NFL Daily,
[30:35] Speaker 1: I can recognize the west in room. I was just
[30:41] Speaker 1: in it. But I gotta say I'm not complaining about
[30:45] Speaker 1: being back in sunny southern California mid seventies. Today, Shook,
[30:50] Speaker 1: you still got a waste to go and get ready.
[30:53] Speaker 1: It is time for charging into the offseason, presented by
[30:56] Speaker 1: Apple Card for all your game day purchases. Welcome up
[31:00] Speaker 1: to some trade news today. Shook got a trade. The
[31:03] Speaker 1: Jets made a trade Jermaine Johnson, former first round pick
[31:08] Speaker 1: I think has had a solid career tours Achilles hasn't
[31:11] Speaker 1: quite been the same since is going to his former coach,
[31:15] Speaker 1: Robert Salah in Tennessee for defensive tackle Tovandre Sweat, a
[31:21] Speaker 1: second round pick who we talked a lot about a
[31:23] Speaker 1: couple of years ago at the Combine because there was
[31:26] Speaker 1: off field concerns. Is this guy take the game seriously enough? Now?
[31:30] Speaker 1: These two defensive linemen getting swapped. Just as a little
[31:34] Speaker 1: bit of a recap, I think Sweats probably performed two
[31:38] Speaker 1: expectations in his career. Good expectation. He's played pretty well
[31:42] Speaker 1: as a nose tackle through two seasons. What did you
[31:45] Speaker 1: make of this move? The Jets, you know, getting Jermaine Johnson,
[31:49] Speaker 1: I mean, the Jets getting to Andandre Sweat.
[31:52] Speaker 2: Sweat's also been the inspiration for some of the more
[31:55] Speaker 2: hilarious calls that we've gotten in the last couple of
[31:57] Speaker 2: years when he makes an occasional play on the ball,
[31:59] Speaker 2: like a turn up riggins the ball in his hands,
[32:00] Speaker 2: because a big men move with the football is always entertaining.
[32:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
[32:04] Speaker 2: I think he's lived up the expectation and the way
[32:06] Speaker 2: that you summarize Johnson as accurate as well.
[32:08] Speaker 3: I just I think it's a matter of fit.
[32:09] Speaker 2: Robert Sala comes into Tennessee and he probably accepts that
[32:12] Speaker 2: Sweat does not fit in the way that he wants
[32:14] Speaker 2: to play defense, because Sweat is a big bodied, you know,
[32:16] Speaker 2: gap plugging nose. And you got to think about who
[32:19] Speaker 2: were the feature players in Sala's defense in New York.
[32:22] Speaker 2: It was guys like Quinn Williams who were the future
[32:24] Speaker 2: players in Salas defense. In San Francisco this year was
[32:27] Speaker 2: rookie CJ. West and other players like that. Is they
[32:29] Speaker 2: tried to rebuild their defensive line. Sweat does not fit
[32:31] Speaker 2: the mold of any of those guys, so it makes
[32:33] Speaker 2: sense to do this deal and also get one of
[32:36] Speaker 2: Sala's old guys that he likes from the Jets to
[32:39] Speaker 2: plug in their at edge rusher because they need help
[32:41] Speaker 2: in that front seven, and so it makes a ton
[32:43] Speaker 2: of sense in a one for one.
[32:44] Speaker 3: It works out for me.
[32:45] Speaker 2: It's a nice, little, solid, explainable, understandable trade in late February.
[32:50] Speaker 1: Yes, and since they both have top four picks, you know,
[32:53] Speaker 1: people wonder will that impact anything. No, this trade should
[32:57] Speaker 1: not impact anything. Even if let's say the Jets the
[33:04] Speaker 1: Titans like signed another defensive end in free agency, I
[33:08] Speaker 1: don't think that really gives away what they're gonna do.
[33:11] Speaker 1: I think you just have to take the best player,
[33:13] Speaker 1: and Jermaine Johnson has one year left on his contract.
[33:18] Speaker 1: I also think finances, you know, were a fact here.
[33:21] Speaker 1: The Titans have a lot of cap space and so
[33:23] Speaker 1: they can take on a big fifth year option contract,
[33:26] Speaker 1: whereas Tvandre Sweat has two years for pretty cheap. Just
[33:29] Speaker 1: on the football merits of it all, I think it's
[33:31] Speaker 1: a pretty good trade for the Jets. It does make
[33:33] Speaker 1: you wonder. There's been like little whispers of like, you know,
[33:37] Speaker 1: how much does Sweat love the game? All that sort
[33:39] Speaker 1: of stuff, like it is you see the type of
[33:41] Speaker 1: guy you want to build around, and so maybe that
[33:43] Speaker 1: factors into it too, But just the football. You get
[33:45] Speaker 1: a cheaper player for an extra year who's played pretty well,
[33:49] Speaker 1: not bad for the Jets. The Titans also cut Lloyd
[33:52] Speaker 1: cushion Berry, who two years ago was one of the
[33:55] Speaker 1: highest paid players. I mean, the Titans cut Lloyd cushion
[33:58] Speaker 1: Berry who two years ago were was one of the
[34:00] Speaker 1: highest paid players in free agency. He was a center,
[34:03] Speaker 1: suffered a really serious injury, never quite looked the same,
[34:06] Speaker 1: and he is now free and the Titans have a
[34:09] Speaker 1: lot of cap space and a lot of needs, and
[34:12] Speaker 1: now they have a new need at center. Another possible trade.
[34:17] Speaker 1: Cameron Wolf of the NFL Network reports there's mutual interest
[34:21] Speaker 1: in an Anthony Richardson trade to the Vikings. That would
[34:26] Speaker 1: be spicy going to Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings, you know,
[34:31] Speaker 1: need a quarterback and Anthony Richardson. It was officially you know, announced,
[34:35] Speaker 1: you know, by reporters that they gave him permission to
[34:37] Speaker 1: seek a trade. We kind of knew that he would
[34:38] Speaker 1: be available.
[34:39] Speaker 6: Yeah, have we talked about this on this show, because
[34:41] Speaker 6: I know I've had these discussions with a number of
[34:43] Speaker 6: different people about how Anthony Richardson has no futures in
[34:46] Speaker 6: Indianapolis and that this was probably going to happen at
[34:49] Speaker 6: some point, and so for it to come to fruition
[34:51] Speaker 6: at least in the form of a rumor a report
[34:54] Speaker 6: from Camp Wolf, which is hilarious by the way, because
[34:56] Speaker 6: I saw Cam last night and we had a nice conversation.
[34:58] Speaker 2: Then you wake up this morning and and Cam's just
[35:01] Speaker 2: pounding the pavement getting the story. He's out there because
[35:03] Speaker 2: this is how the combine works. Yeah, it makes all
[35:06] Speaker 2: the sense in the world. The Vikings not so much,
[35:09] Speaker 2: because I know that they need to bring in competition.
[35:10] Speaker 2: They feel like they need to push JJ McCarthy and
[35:12] Speaker 2: they also need to have better options behind him. But
[35:15] Speaker 2: do you want to invite what would inevitably be become
[35:20] Speaker 2: a distraction because you have two young quarterbacks to both
[35:24] Speaker 2: former first round picks, and what happens when McCarthy struggles
[35:28] Speaker 2: and then oh go to Richardson And do you really
[35:31] Speaker 2: want that instability?
[35:32] Speaker 3: I'm not so certain.
[35:33] Speaker 2: But then again, This is a team that happily added
[35:36] Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, and you know he didn't obviously take the
[35:39] Speaker 2: field for them during that season, but they're not unfamiliar
[35:43] Speaker 2: with taking a swing at a former first round prospect
[35:46] Speaker 2: at the quarterback position and seeing what they could potentially
[35:48] Speaker 2: get out of them.
[35:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is he's too close to what they
[35:54] Speaker 1: have in JJ McCarthy. Yes, like a guy who is
[35:57] Speaker 1: a total question mark and is young and needs.
[35:59] Speaker 2: To does it doesn't It doesn't shit what they need,
[36:02] Speaker 2: which is they need somebody reliable behind JJ.
[36:04] Speaker 1: I can actually only imagine him being there if they
[36:07] Speaker 1: brought in another player too, that they have three players
[36:10] Speaker 1: and it's a veteran because I frankly expect them to
[36:13] Speaker 1: bring in someone who has a better chance to unseat
[36:17] Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. In fact, I kind of expect them to
[36:21] Speaker 1: bring in someone who will be the favorite to start
[36:23] Speaker 1: this year. But they have to find that guy. It's
[36:26] Speaker 1: easier said than done. So maybe there's interest, but I
[36:31] Speaker 1: don't know if I don't know if that would be
[36:33] Speaker 1: it for quarterback, but we'll see that. That would be fascinating.
[36:36] Speaker 1: I also heard a Cardinals I read a Cardinals source
[36:40] Speaker 1: who said that they heard that Gino Smith could be
[36:43] Speaker 1: in the mix as well as Anthony Richardson in Arizona,
[36:46] Speaker 1: which is fascinating.
[36:49] Speaker 3: They don't, they don't seem.
[36:50] Speaker 2: To be very on top of Kyler, so like they
[36:52] Speaker 2: be very on board with that, So that makes no sense.
[36:54] Speaker 1: I don't think the Kyler thing is happening. One thing
[36:56] Speaker 1: we we failed to mention on the last show that
[36:59] Speaker 1: I meant to it was it was hilarious that Kyler's
[37:03] Speaker 1: camp came out after the Cardinals said that they've spoken
[37:06] Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray and they've kind of been letting it
[37:10] Speaker 1: be known, like, hey, maybe we'll keep Kyler. There was
[37:12] Speaker 1: a source that told ESPN, actually, they haven't talked to
[37:15] Speaker 1: us at all. He hasn't spoken with Antiausen for once.
[37:18] Speaker 1: So it's like you can try to pretend like you're
[37:22] Speaker 1: keeping me potentially just to raise leverage when you have
[37:24] Speaker 1: no interest yet. I'm not. We're not going to play
[37:26] Speaker 1: that game.
[37:26] Speaker 2: We're not going to help you out, Cardinals, the leverage game.
[37:29] Speaker 2: It's always fun this time of year. It produces lies, fibbs,
[37:33] Speaker 2: you know, whatever you want.
[37:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyler, I do not think his stay in there.
[37:37] Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk reported that the Raiders want two first
[37:40] Speaker 1: round picks plus a player for Max Crosby. That's the
[37:45] Speaker 1: exact price, and the player was Kenny Clark of Michael Parsons.
[37:51] Speaker 1: I think for Max Crosby, I think that tells me, Yeah,
[37:54] Speaker 1: the Raiders would do that, and they probably I think,
[37:59] Speaker 1: know that that they won't get it, and that they're
[38:01] Speaker 1: okay with that.
[38:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, let's think about the art of negotiation. You start
[38:05] Speaker 2: with a high price, they come in with a low price,
[38:07] Speaker 2: and you work your way towards the middle. I guess
[38:09] Speaker 2: this is just the starting point for them to see
[38:11] Speaker 2: at least get the wheels turning on a potential move,
[38:15] Speaker 2: which it kind of just feels inevitable at this point.
[38:18] Speaker 2: I don't think they'll fetch that offer. I think you're right,
[38:20] Speaker 2: it's too high. That made sense for Michael Parsons, it
[38:24] Speaker 2: does not make quite as much sense for Max Crosby.
[38:26] Speaker 2: No matter how good of a player he is, he's
[38:28] Speaker 2: not the same player as Parsons.
[38:29] Speaker 1: And Ian Rapaport pointed out on our show. He's coming
[38:32] Speaker 1: off an injury and that really could mess things up.
[38:36] Speaker 1: I actually don't think Max Crosby's going to get traded
[38:39] Speaker 1: because I think the injury plus what they'll want. But
[38:43] Speaker 1: you raise a really good point, setting the bar high.
[38:46] Speaker 1: It's true if they're a leak, if that's getting leaked
[38:48] Speaker 1: to Pro Football Talk, then a first then a third
[38:52] Speaker 1: in a player would probably do it, So maybe that
[38:55] Speaker 1: could happen. I also thought it was interesting Clint Kubiak
[38:59] Speaker 1: came out and told the local media he is looking
[39:02] Speaker 1: for a quote two man show at running back in
[39:05] Speaker 1: that Ashton Genty quote needs a wingman and that's how
[39:09] Speaker 1: he likes to run backfields.
[39:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, we just saw that.
[39:14] Speaker 1: It makes sense. But that's a top ten pick at
[39:16] Speaker 1: running back. So if you drafted him in dynasty fantasy
[39:20] Speaker 1: football leagues, maybe not the best news.
[39:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, not a good pick for dynasty owners, not a
[39:24] Speaker 2: good pick for fantasy owners going into twenty twenty six.
[39:27] Speaker 2: But it's also not a good pick because they had
[39:28] Speaker 2: the worst offensive line in the NFL. So like, I
[39:31] Speaker 2: don't care who you put back there. You could put
[39:33] Speaker 2: like the reincarnation of Jim Brown behind Ashton Genty and
[39:37] Speaker 2: they're still probably not going to be very effective because
[39:39] Speaker 2: they can't block. So until they can block, it doesn't
[39:41] Speaker 2: really matter.
[39:43] Speaker 1: Landon Dickerson like his teammate Lane Johnson indicated on Instagram
[39:49] Speaker 1: that he will be returning to the twenty twenty six
[39:52] Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. We noted a couple of weeks ago that
[39:55] Speaker 1: both offensive linemen were reportedly considering not coming back. I
[39:59] Speaker 1: think think everyone was a little upset about Jeff Stoutlin,
[40:02] Speaker 1: their offensive line coach, leaving the building. In the end,
[40:05] Speaker 1: these are two of the best at what they do,
[40:08] Speaker 1: huge competitors, and they want to come back and they
[40:11] Speaker 1: will be back. So great news for the Eagles. There
[40:14] Speaker 1: more offensive line news in the NFC East. The Commanders
[40:18] Speaker 1: have released Tyler Biattish. Look, this is a story maybe
[40:22] Speaker 1: most podcasts wouldn't hit. I was very surprised by this though.
[40:26] Speaker 1: He was a guy who, you know, I know, Pro
[40:28] Speaker 1: Bowls don't mean that much, but made a Pro Bowl
[40:30] Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and started virtually every game
[40:33] Speaker 1: for the Commanders since he took over. As I dug
[40:36] Speaker 1: into it, it's maybe a little less surprising. He had
[40:40] Speaker 1: what's in an injury in late last season, a leg
[40:44] Speaker 1: ankle injury that I'm not really sure how serious it was,
[40:48] Speaker 1: and this release maybe indicates to me it's a little
[40:51] Speaker 1: more serious. If he was healthy. You know, he's not
[40:54] Speaker 1: even thirty yet. He's put up a lot of good
[40:56] Speaker 1: starts in the NFL. He'd be top fifty in my
[40:59] Speaker 1: Top one one free agents. But the uncertainty about the
[41:02] Speaker 1: injury makes me just want to like find out a
[41:05] Speaker 1: little more. But another hole for the commanders to fill.
[41:07] Speaker 1: They have a lot of holes to fill.
[41:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wasn't like money really motivated all that
[41:13] Speaker 2: much of it when they have a lot of cap
[41:14] Speaker 2: space to work with anyway, and they have holes to fill,
[41:17] Speaker 2: like you said.
[41:18] Speaker 1: And they only saved two point six million dollars, but
[41:21] Speaker 1: they do save a lot of Ultimately, you are paying
[41:23] Speaker 1: the guy a lot of money, and I think he
[41:24] Speaker 1: was doing like eight million dollars. So although the fact
[41:28] Speaker 1: that they released him makes me worry about possibly getting.
[41:31] Speaker 2: Him, yes, because maybe you know, for lack of a
[41:34] Speaker 2: better phrase, but he's he may be considered like damaged
[41:36] Speaker 2: goods as a free agent now and maybe they were
[41:38] Speaker 2: looking at that and trying to get ahead of it,
[41:40] Speaker 2: and so it makes sense. But you know what else, Greg,
[41:42] Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the suite tonight and I'm watching the
[41:44] Speaker 2: ticker go by, and Greg's Top one oh one free
[41:48] Speaker 2: agents are scrolling by, yes, and I think on a
[41:52] Speaker 2: separate podcast, you and I are going to have to
[41:54] Speaker 2: have some chats because I got some gripes, oh like
[41:57] Speaker 2: put like putting Kate out in.
[41:58] Speaker 3: The head of Isaiah. Likely I got some grip so
[42:00] Speaker 3: we need to discuss.
[42:02] Speaker 1: I wish I wish I had you on more for
[42:06] Speaker 1: those gripes, like before I put it out, because what
[42:09] Speaker 1: is it going to do me now? But no, I do.
[42:11] Speaker 1: I do want to explore that space another time. But yeah,
[42:14] Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people got on
[42:16] Speaker 1: me about the Kida and rank.
[42:19] Speaker 3: It's very high.
[42:21] Speaker 1: Will Anderson is going to be a priority for the Houston,
[42:25] Speaker 1: texans Ian Rappaport reported today that he thinks like long
[42:28] Speaker 1: term extension will happen sooner than later. Not a shock,
[42:32] Speaker 1: but just interesting how they're kind of prioritizing things. Shoulder
[42:36] Speaker 1: Sanders hopes to one day get a long term contract
[42:39] Speaker 1: extension somewhere in the neighborhood of Will Anderson. That that's
[42:42] Speaker 1: going to be a tall order, but you never know.
[42:45] Speaker 1: But what he did do was somehow make this show
[42:49] Speaker 1: by a completely surprising choice of gift for Todd Monkin.
[42:54] Speaker 1: Let's listen to Todd Monkin with CBS this week.
[42:58] Speaker 7: In fact, for my birthday, I got this package. I
[43:01] Speaker 7: thought it was from my wife. It's like this package
[43:03] Speaker 7: and opens it up, it's like this porcelain like horsehead
[43:07] Speaker 7: and it's from Shador. He sent me a gift on
[43:09] Speaker 7: my birthday and I asked him, I said, what was
[43:13] Speaker 7: the meaning? He said, well, I just really liked it.
[43:15] Speaker 7: Should I got myself one. I said, well, great, Okay.
[43:20] Speaker 2: Off, first off, this is why you make the big bucks,
[43:24] Speaker 2: because I was a hell of a segue to get
[43:25] Speaker 2: to Shador Sanders there, thank you. And secondly, this is
[43:29] Speaker 2: a godfather asked gift that usually is ominous and means
[43:33] Speaker 2: bad things for your coach, and I think that went
[43:34] Speaker 2: completely over Shador's head.
[43:36] Speaker 3: But also there's so many things here.
[43:40] Speaker 2: Who like sees a porcelain horsehead and is like, wow,
[43:43] Speaker 2: I really like that. I want one, and I'm gonna
[43:45] Speaker 2: send one to my head coach for his birthday. He
[43:47] Speaker 2: has the best team around him to be aware of
[43:51] Speaker 2: these things and make them happen, even if they look
[43:53] Speaker 2: really strange to the rest of us.
[43:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That was with my friends at Jonathan
[43:59] Speaker 1: Jones and Pete Prisco, over at CBS. They were not
[44:02] Speaker 1: expecting any of that to come out. I have a
[44:05] Speaker 1: lot of thoughts on this. Number one. I wish I
[44:08] Speaker 1: had the confidence and the generosity, not just in terms
[44:13] Speaker 1: of money, but actually just of spirit too, because he
[44:16] Speaker 1: had to think to do that. I don't think that's
[44:18] Speaker 1: a team of people sending the porcelain horset. Now he
[44:21] Speaker 1: has to tell them, hey can you send this to coach?
[44:24] Speaker 1: But he has to think of it. So that's that's
[44:26] Speaker 1: a generous spirit. But I think you got to have
[44:28] Speaker 1: a certain sort of self confidence. I don't know what
[44:32] Speaker 1: the right word would be, just that like, hey, I
[44:35] Speaker 1: like this porcelain horse, said so much. I'm buying this
[44:37] Speaker 1: thing and my coach would love it. And I have
[44:41] Speaker 1: the confidence to send my coach like presence in the
[44:45] Speaker 1: in the mail and it's a bizarre present. I love
[44:48] Speaker 1: it all. I want. I want to see it.
[44:50] Speaker 2: I think I want to see it too. And you
[44:52] Speaker 2: know what I think I need to start doing. I
[44:54] Speaker 2: need to start sending you gifts on your birthday that
[44:56] Speaker 2: are strange.
[44:59] Speaker 1: No, I actually think it raises the chance of the
[45:02] Speaker 1: sure starting this year by like five a gift well,
[45:06] Speaker 1: just because it just shows a level of connectedness. We
[45:09] Speaker 1: saw that they saw each other, that they liked each other,
[45:13] Speaker 1: I think from the pre draft process, and when they
[45:15] Speaker 1: saw each other again in Cleveland, they it's just a
[45:18] Speaker 1: it's just a fun bromance.
[45:19] Speaker 2: It's preseason week three and Todd Monkin has to decide
[45:23] Speaker 2: between Shador Sanders, Deshaun Watson, and whoever else they bring
[45:27] Speaker 2: in a quarterback for week one. And it's late at
[45:30] Speaker 2: night and it's a hot summer evening in Beria and
[45:34] Speaker 2: the sun is set and Todd's in his office all
[45:37] Speaker 2: by himself, and he's lit by one overhead light like
[45:40] Speaker 2: it's an interrogation room. And in that moment, he'll look
[45:42] Speaker 2: across the room to the porcelain horse head he decreatively
[45:46] Speaker 2: placed in the corner, and he'll say, I know who's
[45:48] Speaker 2: my guy.
[45:49] Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. That was beautiful. I'm really glad I
[45:54] Speaker 1: put that in the show. Now everything feels like an
[45:56] Speaker 1: anti climax after that. Finally, the the NFLPA scores, the
[46:03] Speaker 1: grades that they have for all the organizations came out today,
[46:06] Speaker 1: not officially because it was ruled that they weren't officially
[46:10] Speaker 1: allowed to do this this year, but they were allowed
[46:13] Speaker 1: to do the surveys and create the grades, they just
[46:18] Speaker 1: weren't allowed to release them publicly, So of course it
[46:21] Speaker 1: ends up getting out. Kayln Kaylor, who's one of the
[46:24] Speaker 1: very best in the business, does it for ESPN. It
[46:26] Speaker 1: was her Super Bowl today. I saw someone say that
[46:29] Speaker 1: and she retweeted it. Getting all these NFLPA grades out
[46:34] Speaker 1: and the Steelers come in dead last. Thought that was
[46:38] Speaker 1: interesting in terms of their facilities, in terms of how
[46:42] Speaker 1: they take care of their players and the families. That
[46:44] Speaker 1: was interesting. Joe Shane was the lowest ranked general manager.
[46:50] Speaker 1: And they're not like evaluating moves. It's more like they're
[46:53] Speaker 1: evaluating I think the players, their relationship with the front office,
[46:56] Speaker 1: how they feel about their front office. So that was
[46:59] Speaker 1: very interesting to me. The Dolphins were the best ranked
[47:02] Speaker 1: team for the third straight year. The Vikings were second.
[47:05] Speaker 1: They were always near the top. So the Dolphins take
[47:08] Speaker 1: care of their players like it is a well run
[47:11] Speaker 1: like ownership had like an a there, Everything had an
[47:13] Speaker 1: a there. And the Commanders since Josh Harris took over,
[47:17] Speaker 1: has zoomed from the very bottom of the league to
[47:20] Speaker 1: up to third. Seattle and Jacksonville were also in the
[47:23] Speaker 1: top five. Bottom five I mentioned Steelers were dead last,
[47:26] Speaker 1: Cardinals were second to last. They're always near the bottom.
[47:29] Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell ranked as the worst owner in the league.
[47:33] Speaker 1: The Browns, the Bucks, and the Bengals were also near
[47:37] Speaker 1: the bottom. And one thing that really struck me shook
[47:41] Speaker 1: this year, you know, they also ranked the coaches. The
[47:45] Speaker 1: lowest ranked coach period was Kevin Stefanski. That's interesting by
[47:49] Speaker 1: his players, okay, and the lowest graded coach in the
[47:53] Speaker 1: entire league that didn't get fired. I think he was
[47:56] Speaker 1: fourth or fifth lowest overall, but the other four had
[47:58] Speaker 1: gotten fired. Of course the fans got the job immediately.
[48:01] Speaker 1: Was Jim Harbaugh with a C.
[48:04] Speaker 2: I could see that actually, this is the Harball thing
[48:07] Speaker 2: is something that I wondered about when he jumped from
[48:09] Speaker 2: Michigan back to the NFL. I wondered if his style,
[48:12] Speaker 2: or you could describe it as shtick, may not wear
[48:15] Speaker 2: well on his players after a while at the NFL level,
[48:17] Speaker 2: just because it's a new generation who knows if it's
[48:19] Speaker 2: going to work out or not. They have been successful,
[48:22] Speaker 2: and I would love to see these grades correlate more
[48:26] Speaker 2: to success on the field, like the Dolphins, for example,
[48:29] Speaker 2: but not super surprised about Harbaugh not getting a very
[48:33] Speaker 2: high grade.
[48:34] Speaker 3: His demeanor in the way he does things are just
[48:35] Speaker 3: a little different.
[48:38] Speaker 1: And not like the Steelers. Being last is a tough look.
[48:43] Speaker 1: Three of the bottom five were kind of the old
[48:47] Speaker 1: family owned teams Bengals, Cardinals, Steelers, you know that don't
[48:54] Speaker 1: have that huge amount of cash that maybe some other
[48:58] Speaker 1: organizations do that we're in there.
[49:00] Speaker 3: All the Browns do, and they're low down.
[49:01] Speaker 1: The Browns do, and they they spend their money on players.
[49:05] Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going on.
[49:06] Speaker 2: Must be how they treat families. And maybe like the food,
[49:08] Speaker 2: oh the food got better.
[49:10] Speaker 3: I don't know. I always enjoyed breakfast and lunch there.
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[49:26] Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. It shook hang out
[49:28] Speaker 1: for one second. What we're gonna do. We're gonna take
[49:30] Speaker 1: a break. On the other side, We're gonna listen to
[49:32] Speaker 1: a couple interviews that Jordan and I did before I
[49:35] Speaker 1: left town. With the Panthers general manager and head coach.
[49:40] Speaker 1: And on the back end of that, we're gonna say
[49:44] Speaker 1: goodbye and we're gonna tell you the trend that officially
[49:49] Speaker 1: ended as of Thursday night during the NFL combine. Yes,
[49:54] Speaker 1: NFL has killed an entire youth trend, and we'll tell
[49:58] Speaker 1: you what it is. At the very end, we are
[50:08] Speaker 1: here with the general manager of the Carolina Panthers, Dan Morgan,
[50:12] Speaker 1: coming off a season where frankly, we just loved watching
[50:16] Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers play at the end of the year,
[50:18] Speaker 1: and you kind of are completing the triumvirate. We've had
[50:21] Speaker 1: Brent Tillis on the show we had, so.
[50:25] Speaker 5: You know, we talked about it. You vouched for him,
[50:28] Speaker 5: and I was like, I don't know Brandt super well,
[50:30] Speaker 5: so you know, would he be good to have on
[50:32] Speaker 5: one of our Capsules series. He killed it, He did great.
[50:35] Speaker 5: You called the shop though, you totally he said he would.
[50:38] Speaker 4: He's a great dude and super valuable to me.
[50:41] Speaker 5: And we had Dave Canalis last year sitting in the
[50:44] Speaker 5: very seat that you're sitting in now, So it's like
[50:46] Speaker 5: it felt only right, you know, because you three are
[50:49] Speaker 5: are quite the triangle of friendship. Also, you hear stories
[50:53] Speaker 5: about how well you get along despite very different backgrounds
[50:57] Speaker 5: and and sort of like very different philosophies that all
[51:01] Speaker 5: sort of mesh together because they compliment each other. Yeah,
[51:04] Speaker 5: what's it been like sort of building that decision making
[51:09] Speaker 5: I want to say circle, but it's a triangle.
[51:11] Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's been fun.
[51:12] Speaker 8: I mean it always helps when the people you work
[51:16] Speaker 8: with they're not just your workmates, they're your friends. They
[51:19] Speaker 8: are people you enjoy coming to work every day and
[51:22] Speaker 8: working with. And we all at the end of the day,
[51:26] Speaker 8: we just want to win. You know, we want to win.
[51:29] Speaker 8: We want to be happy and come in after wins.
[51:32] Speaker 8: So you know, we work our butts off and you
[51:36] Speaker 8: know we put we put the work in every single day,
[51:38] Speaker 8: but we enjoy every single day and we don't take
[51:41] Speaker 8: it for granted.
[51:42] Speaker 1: What was the feeling like after the playoff loss, which
[51:45] Speaker 1: you know is always a really difficult day, and it yeah,
[51:48] Speaker 1: it seems yeah season, but on the other hand, it
[51:51] Speaker 1: was like, you guys played really well against this team
[51:54] Speaker 1: that a lot of us thought you had a really
[51:56] Speaker 1: good chance to win the Super Bowl, and you're right there.
[51:58] Speaker 1: So I guess take us through with that that day
[52:02] Speaker 1: that the emotions were like.
[52:03] Speaker 8: Coming off of that game, disappointed. I think everybody was disappointed.
[52:08] Speaker 8: You know, we felt like we could have won that game.
[52:09] Speaker 8: Obviously we didn't, so I could have, would have, should have,
[52:14] Speaker 8: you know, but I think it gives us.
[52:16] Speaker 4: Something to build on.
[52:18] Speaker 8: I think that we're headed in the right direction as
[52:20] Speaker 8: a franchise. I think the players in the building and
[52:23] Speaker 8: the building in general, you know, we have that belief
[52:26] Speaker 8: the cultures shifting to a winning mindset and you have
[52:30] Speaker 8: to have that. If you don't have the winning mindset,
[52:33] Speaker 8: you don't.
[52:34] Speaker 4: Have a chance.
[52:34] Speaker 8: So do everybody's pulling in the same direction, excited about
[52:39] Speaker 8: the future, and you know.
[52:40] Speaker 4: We got to go earn it now.
[52:42] Speaker 8: We got to put the work in, you know, from
[52:44] Speaker 8: a front office perspective, coaches, players, we got to work
[52:48] Speaker 8: and we got to go earn it.
[52:50] Speaker 5: When I think a lot about what the Panthers, what
[52:52] Speaker 5: you guys did this season, and it was like a
[52:54] Speaker 5: joy ride for a lot of it, right, I.
[52:57] Speaker 1: Mean they were like a roller coaster for yeah, like.
[53:00] Speaker 5: Maybe the safety bar is not on either at this point,
[53:03] Speaker 5: because sometimes you just felt, how are this how is
[53:05] Speaker 5: this team doing this? They're still in a rebuild, you know,
[53:07] Speaker 5: yet you know, yes, you have some veteran guys, and
[53:10] Speaker 5: I think the floor was lifted, especially by some of
[53:13] Speaker 5: the great coaching on both sides of the ball in
[53:15] Speaker 5: certain positions. We loved the outside corners tandem and and
[53:18] Speaker 5: just how they were getting the most out of everyone
[53:21] Speaker 5: on the interior with the safeties, and and just like
[53:23] Speaker 5: because of how well they were playing. We loved watching
[53:26] Speaker 5: just the floor lift and pockets all over this roster.
[53:30] Speaker 5: But now you've got to keep tweaking and adjusting despite
[53:34] Speaker 5: the fact that that was such an adrenaline roller coaster.
[53:37] Speaker 4: As you said, how do you.
[53:38] Speaker 5: How do you like sift through the spikes essentially and
[53:42] Speaker 5: gets really what is needed to keep filling.
[53:45] Speaker 8: You know, I think the biggest thing for us in
[53:48] Speaker 8: the roster building is we gotta we got to stick
[53:52] Speaker 8: to our standards. Yeah, we gotta be disciplined in our approach,
[53:57] Speaker 8: you know, and we got to bring our type of
[53:59] Speaker 8: guys and we you know, we can't be competing against
[54:02] Speaker 8: the internet. You know, people want you to sign this
[54:05] Speaker 8: guy and there, Actually.
[54:07] Speaker 5: We can't be competing against the internet. Yeah, so sirs,
[54:10] Speaker 5: I'm looking at the content team right now, Like.
[54:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, from an in house film crew, like we are
[54:17] Speaker 1: a reality star right now.
[54:18] Speaker 4: I guess so that's not my style, but.
[54:22] Speaker 5: You were giving a great answer forgive us. We interrupt
[54:24] Speaker 5: each other a lot on this show, so.
[54:25] Speaker 4: It's fine, it's fine. I'm the same way. My add
[54:28] Speaker 4: kicks in as well.
[54:30] Speaker 8: But yeah, we yeah, we just you know, it's about
[54:33] Speaker 8: bringing the right players in, you know, to fit our culture,
[54:37] Speaker 8: bringing the right type of human being into into our
[54:40] Speaker 8: locker room. Because your culture really starts with the players.
[54:44] Speaker 8: You know, they are the culture. So as many players
[54:48] Speaker 8: we can bring in that not only have great personal character,
[54:52] Speaker 8: but they have a love for the game. They love
[54:54] Speaker 8: everything about the process. That's the type of guys we
[54:58] Speaker 8: want to bring in our building.
[55:00] Speaker 1: Do you think you need more firepower around Bryce Young
[55:04] Speaker 1: in terms of the offensive weapons.
[55:06] Speaker 8: I think we're I'm always going to feel like that.
[55:09] Speaker 8: You know, no matter how good we ever get, like,
[55:11] Speaker 8: we're never going to be satisfied here. We're always going
[55:14] Speaker 8: to be finding ways to get better, to grow and
[55:17] Speaker 8: evolve and just find ways to give us an edge.
[55:21] Speaker 8: You know, whether it's from a front office perspective, scouting, coaching,
[55:27] Speaker 8: you know, we're always going to be looking for those edges.
[55:29] Speaker 8: We're never going to feel like we've arrived. But that's
[55:33] Speaker 8: the type of mindset we need to have to get
[55:35] Speaker 8: to where we want to go, and not only get
[55:37] Speaker 8: there once, but to sustain it.
[55:39] Speaker 5: Dan, I love when you can watch a coach build
[55:43] Speaker 5: something like right out loud in front of everybody. Yeah,
[55:46] Speaker 5: And a lot of times that happens when a team
[55:48] Speaker 5: is figuring out how to maximize what it has as.
[55:51] Speaker 4: It goes through the course of the season.
[55:52] Speaker 5: It's not just game planning, it's also how do we
[55:55] Speaker 5: align pieces on the chess board essentially. Yeah, and like
[55:58] Speaker 5: your receips group and then the tight ends group together,
[56:02] Speaker 5: I'm just lump them all into a one big pool.
[56:04] Speaker 4: Here of pass catchers. Yeah.
[56:06] Speaker 5: You could see, especially when Jalen Koker came back, you
[56:09] Speaker 5: could see the layers or the intent of the layers
[56:12] Speaker 5: start to develop in this past game around Tedoro McMillan,
[56:17] Speaker 5: but then with Jalen as a really complimentary kind of
[56:21] Speaker 5: all over the field, trustworthy like weapon. And I guess
[56:25] Speaker 5: what's the next step of that, Like, what's the next
[56:27] Speaker 5: layer that we wish we could have gotten a chance
[56:30] Speaker 5: to see if maybe you guys kept going. But what
[56:32] Speaker 5: we want to see and what you want to see
[56:34] Speaker 5: this coming season?
[56:35] Speaker 8: Yeah, I think to answer your question, I think, you know,
[56:39] Speaker 8: develop guys still developing, you know, I think nowadays I think,
[56:44] Speaker 8: you know, the outside, you know, not us on the inside,
[56:47] Speaker 8: but on the outside, we're so quick to just throw
[56:50] Speaker 8: players under the bus. And like, I'm looking forward to
[56:53] Speaker 8: seeing Xavior Leged develop. You know, he's he's not a
[56:58] Speaker 8: finished product. You know, he's still developing and he's getting better.
[57:02] Speaker 8: So we're here to support him. The coaches are here
[57:05] Speaker 8: to support him, and you know, just keep developing our guys.
[57:09] Speaker 8: And we believed in these guys. We drafted them for
[57:12] Speaker 8: a reason. We know they have it in them. But
[57:15] Speaker 8: we're not giving up on them. They're they're are guys,
[57:19] Speaker 8: They're We're gonna win with these guys, and I have
[57:22] Speaker 8: full confidence that that they're gonna you know, they're gonna
[57:25] Speaker 8: turn the corner and they're gonna be what we thought.
[57:27] Speaker 1: How do you feel about your center kid May's potentially
[57:32] Speaker 1: coming back.
[57:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a possibility.
[57:34] Speaker 8: You know, we've been talking to his agent and staying
[57:37] Speaker 8: in contact with him, and you know, from my seat,
[57:40] Speaker 8: you know, we these guys earned the right to go
[57:43] Speaker 8: out and and you know, figure out what their market
[57:45] Speaker 8: looks like, and you know, maybe somebody's gonna pay him
[57:48] Speaker 8: a boatload of money, and you know, they earn that right,
[57:51] Speaker 8: and you know we're going to stay in contact with
[57:54] Speaker 8: them and at the end of the day, we'll see
[57:55] Speaker 8: where the chips fall.
[57:57] Speaker 1: Is it a bit of a two pronged attack too,
[58:00] Speaker 1: with the injury to Ikya khanmu at the at the
[58:02] Speaker 1: end of last season in his offensive line, you know,
[58:05] Speaker 1: because of that focus for you.
[58:07] Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's that's the NFL, that's life like.
[58:10] Speaker 8: Things are going to happen, and you know we have
[58:13] Speaker 8: to plan accordingly. And you know that's why I always
[58:16] Speaker 8: talk about drafting the best player available, because you never
[58:19] Speaker 8: know what position you're going to get an injury at
[58:21] Speaker 8: at any given moment in the season. So you know,
[58:25] Speaker 8: we're about drafting the best football players and not so
[58:28] Speaker 8: so much drafting for need. You know, unless it's equal,
[58:31] Speaker 8: then yeah, I'll go with the need. But yeah, that's
[58:34] Speaker 8: that's kind of what our philosophy is.
[58:37] Speaker 5: How do you balance on I'm thinking about the defensive
[58:39] Speaker 5: line too, and obviously I know you guys want to
[58:40] Speaker 5: boke up the pass, rush Nicks court and really came alive.
[58:43] Speaker 5: Was fun to watch. Oh yeah, such explosiveness. It just
[58:47] Speaker 5: jumped off the screen. But obviously you want to build
[58:49] Speaker 5: out that group and and you have some veterans on
[58:52] Speaker 5: that you've had on the interior, you added free agents
[58:55] Speaker 5: on the interior around Derek Brown. How do you continue
[58:58] Speaker 5: to understand that was a very real part of your
[59:00] Speaker 5: team building model last year year before continue to.
[59:03] Speaker 4: Draft and develop there.
[59:05] Speaker 5: How do you balance that line that you're walking because
[59:08] Speaker 5: you definitely are going to want to get some new
[59:10] Speaker 5: people eventually to.
[59:11] Speaker 4: Take over it.
[59:12] Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you know when I took over and
[59:15] Speaker 8: just talking to my team, like about what we want
[59:17] Speaker 8: it to be about. It's about winning the offensive line
[59:21] Speaker 8: of scrimmage and the defensive line of scrimmage. Like we
[59:24] Speaker 8: want to dominate both sides of the ball. And you know,
[59:26] Speaker 8: in order to do that, you have to infuse talent
[59:29] Speaker 8: into that and you know, young talent guys that we
[59:32] Speaker 8: can grow with. And you saw last year we drafted
[59:35] Speaker 8: Nick Nick Gordon, we drafted Princely. You know, both those
[59:39] Speaker 8: guys were excited about their future and we're just going
[59:43] Speaker 8: to keep adding, keep building brick by brick, and you know,
[59:47] Speaker 8: I think at the end of the day then you
[59:48] Speaker 8: know it'll be where we want it to be.
[59:50] Speaker 1: Do you think you'll be talking contract extension with Bryce
[59:55] Speaker 1: Young before the fifth year option comes up?
[59:59] Speaker 8: You know, something that we have to talk about internally
[1:00:02] Speaker 8: and figure out.
[1:00:03] Speaker 4: You know.
[1:00:04] Speaker 8: Right now, you know, we're just happy Bryce as our quarterback.
[1:00:08] Speaker 8: We're we're so excited that, you know, the way he's developing,
[1:00:13] Speaker 8: not only as a player, but as a as a man.
[1:00:16] Speaker 8: You know, he's he's growing up right in front of
[1:00:18] Speaker 8: our eyes, and he's getting better every single day, every
[1:00:21] Speaker 8: single every single game. So we're excited he's our quarterback
[1:00:25] Speaker 8: and you know, contractually that'll figure itself out.
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: Appreciate all the time, Dan and another.
[1:00:32] Speaker 5: Gracious your time sitting down with you for a while.
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me one of
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: my favorites to watch on the field back in the
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: day as well, So you know, keep an eye out
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: that the linebackers appreciate that. Picking up Dan Morgan GM
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: of the Panthers, we are here with head coach of
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, head coach of the NFC South champion
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers for the second straight year, right in this
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: spot at the Indianapolis Convention Center. Congratulations on the division ampionship.
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: We were talking about the atmosphere on that day that
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: that Jordan was there in the playoffs. How did it
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: feel to kind of bring that type of football energy
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: back to Carolina.
[1:01:11] Speaker 9: We're super proud we came in. You know.
[1:01:14] Speaker 10: Our goal was, you know, Dan and I talking is like,
[1:01:16] Speaker 10: let's build a Let's build a team that this that
[1:01:18] Speaker 10: this fan base can be proud of, you know, and
[1:01:20] Speaker 10: it's it's the Carolinas, you know, it's South Carolina, North Carolina.
[1:01:23] Speaker 10: I was in Myrtle Beach last weekend at a seven
[1:01:26] Speaker 10: on seven tournament with my son, and you know, just
[1:01:28] Speaker 10: the outpouring of excitement, you know, especially in your football environment,
[1:01:32] Speaker 10: you know, from parents. That's what I think is unique
[1:01:35] Speaker 10: about what's happening in our community is I'm forty four,
[1:01:38] Speaker 10: and so most of the people that are around my
[1:01:41] Speaker 10: age were like prime time like original Panthers fans, nineteen
[1:01:47] Speaker 10: ninety five PSL owners, you know, I remember nineteen ninety five.
[1:01:50] Speaker 10: I'm I'm just starting high school. So people my age
[1:01:53] Speaker 10: were like right around that time where it's important to them,
[1:01:55] Speaker 10: you know, and so now their kids, our kids are
[1:01:58] Speaker 10: all growing up in this and so it's a it's
[1:02:01] Speaker 10: a really special time for us.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: Were you more nervous during the fourth quarter of that
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: playoff game or watching the seven and seven your son?
[1:02:10] Speaker 5: Uh?
[1:02:10] Speaker 9: Definitely the playoff game.
[1:02:12] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't know.
[1:02:13] Speaker 5: I don't know what kind of a coach parent or
[1:02:15] Speaker 5: involved parent are you with the football? I mean, I
[1:02:17] Speaker 5: would feel like the coach would want to try to
[1:02:18] Speaker 5: get you involved a little bit, like you.
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: Got you got control a little bit when you're coaching
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: if you just watch, well.
[1:02:27] Speaker 10: I just appreciate the people that all these people, this
[1:02:31] Speaker 10: is what they do for fun, you know, and they
[1:02:33] Speaker 10: have jobs and they you know, haul themselves and a
[1:02:36] Speaker 10: bunch of equipment all around the Carolinas, you know, playing
[1:02:39] Speaker 10: these tournaments, and so I just I just appreciate them
[1:02:42] Speaker 10: for the time that they spend with our kids. And uh,
[1:02:45] Speaker 10: however they coach and whatever plays they're calling, it's just
[1:02:48] Speaker 10: like this is a good thing. This is time while
[1:02:50] Speaker 10: spent and they're investing in our kids.
[1:02:52] Speaker 5: But it's okay if you also make mental notes too,
[1:02:54] Speaker 5: just saying but you know, so that the atmosphere was
[1:02:59] Speaker 5: so powerful as you guys as a team like and
[1:03:02] Speaker 5: and the community everyone met the moment really well, coming
[1:03:05] Speaker 5: in as percepted, underdog and all of that, and then
[1:03:08] Speaker 5: and then really taking it right to the to the
[1:03:11] Speaker 5: end there. But that's sort of like a roller coaster
[1:03:14] Speaker 5: all season with you guys, and and some of those
[1:03:16] Speaker 5: really high highs emotionally and then some of the frustrating
[1:03:19] Speaker 5: losses and and we you know, we've had several of
[1:03:21] Speaker 5: your of your friends and co workers on the show.
[1:03:24] Speaker 5: We talked to Brent Tillis, We've we talked to Dan
[1:03:26] Speaker 5: Morgan as well about like, how do you find what's
[1:03:29] Speaker 5: stable and sustainable through all of that joy ride of
[1:03:34] Speaker 5: a feeling all around everything.
[1:03:36] Speaker 10: Yeah, well, it's about belief and starts internally and as
[1:03:42] Speaker 10: we continue to prove to our players that if we
[1:03:44] Speaker 10: play a certain style of football, we can play with anybody.
[1:03:47] Speaker 10: And that holds true for any of us in the NFL,
[1:03:49] Speaker 10: and we all care about the same thing. We all
[1:03:51] Speaker 10: care about taking care of the ball, creating explosive plays
[1:03:54] Speaker 10: or minimizing them, and those critical moments at the end
[1:03:57] Speaker 10: of half are into games and and we're all sick
[1:04:00] Speaker 10: about it, But it's the teams that pay attention to
[1:04:02] Speaker 10: it and believe that you can get it done. And
[1:04:04] Speaker 10: that's what I saw happen with our group is throughout
[1:04:06] Speaker 10: the season, I could feel the belief coming from our
[1:04:08] Speaker 10: players and expecting to win on a weekly basis. And
[1:04:12] Speaker 10: you know, now it's time to look at the inconsistencies
[1:04:14] Speaker 10: of what happened, you know, and to see if we
[1:04:16] Speaker 10: can really capture that.
[1:04:18] Speaker 9: And it happens in practice.
[1:04:20] Speaker 10: It starts when these players come back in April, and
[1:04:23] Speaker 10: we have to take every single day. This is the
[1:04:26] Speaker 10: day that could win us that game, this is a
[1:04:28] Speaker 10: day that could lose us that game. And can we
[1:04:29] Speaker 10: be that urgent about their work with that we do?
[1:04:32] Speaker 5: You kind of made a little news today you mentioned
[1:04:35] Speaker 5: that when you're in your press conference at Brad and Sick,
[1:04:38] Speaker 5: is it going to be calling plays this year? You know,
[1:04:40] Speaker 5: there's been whispers around the league that he was really
[1:04:43] Speaker 5: working at this, like working at maybe one day becoming
[1:04:46] Speaker 5: someone who could take that mantle on in such a
[1:04:49] Speaker 5: significant way. And it's a personal thing to call plays
[1:04:53] Speaker 5: and it's a powerful thing to be the person that
[1:04:55] Speaker 5: does that. So what like, what is it about him
[1:04:59] Speaker 5: that you said, Okay, this is the year that you're
[1:05:01] Speaker 5: gonna do it. What is about you that you said
[1:05:03] Speaker 5: this is the year I'm gonna let this go? And
[1:05:06] Speaker 5: what does a Brad Ezach offense look like?
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: Uh?
[1:05:08] Speaker 10: Two things came to mind really with the decision. Is
[1:05:11] Speaker 10: is our ability to continue to push our processes forward offensively.
[1:05:15] Speaker 10: And Brad's been my primary architect for what we do
[1:05:18] Speaker 10: from an offensive standpoint, tying the run game and the
[1:05:21] Speaker 10: past game in together. And we've been doing that for
[1:05:23] Speaker 10: three years and and he works at it. You know,
[1:05:26] Speaker 10: he's he's such a hard worker, He's dedicated to it.
[1:05:29] Speaker 10: He's principled, and he knows the philosophy of what I want,
[1:05:32] Speaker 10: what we want for our Panthers offense. So felt really
[1:05:36] Speaker 10: confident to give him that opportunity to do it. As
[1:05:39] Speaker 10: far as readiness goes, you know, I was asked this
[1:05:42] Speaker 10: when I first became a coordinator in Tampa. It's like,
[1:05:44] Speaker 10: how do you know that you're ready? It's like, well,
[1:05:46] Speaker 10: I'm as ready as I'm going to be. And I
[1:05:48] Speaker 10: feel that about Brad. You know, this is this is
[1:05:50] Speaker 10: a time to do that. And he's he's the he's
[1:05:52] Speaker 10: been the sounding board for me. He's been in my ear,
[1:05:54] Speaker 10: you know, has been calling plays for the last couple
[1:05:56] Speaker 10: of years, and and as we've laid this foundation, I
[1:05:59] Speaker 10: believe Brad will take us the next step and we'll
[1:06:02] Speaker 10: be able to continue to build off of it because
[1:06:04] Speaker 10: of his report with the players as well. The other
[1:06:07] Speaker 10: side of it was an opportunity for me to continue
[1:06:09] Speaker 10: to affect the culture of what we're doing, the play
[1:06:11] Speaker 10: style in general, from offense, defense and special teams, how
[1:06:15] Speaker 10: we do things in the building, a strength and conditioning,
[1:06:17] Speaker 10: athletic training, all of these things, how we treat each other,
[1:06:20] Speaker 10: and what we're after, the possibilities of what we could become.
[1:06:23] Speaker 10: I know that I can affect our culture in a
[1:06:26] Speaker 10: more powerful way by being available that way, whereas you
[1:06:29] Speaker 10: can imagine coming into it all hands on deck. Let's
[1:06:32] Speaker 10: get this offense to a place where we have a foundation.
[1:06:35] Speaker 10: And I believe we have that foundation and now it's
[1:06:37] Speaker 10: time to continue to build off of it.
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: So we talked to Dan Morgan, your GM, and we
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: know that Bryce is going to be your quarterback. Of
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: course in the contract, will you all will figure that out,
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: But I'm curious what you want him to improve on
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: like specifically and in terms of his game, because I
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: feel like he was almost a symbol of your team
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: sometimes at times like the great week were great, And
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: one thing I think gets misunderstood with him is like, man,
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: if you put just a reel together, like, he is
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: not afraid to put that ball in a tough spot.
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: And his high level throws are as high levels as
[1:07:10] Speaker 1: almost anyone. But there were down weeks for him too,
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: And so what do you think he needs to get
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: better onto it to improve those down weeks.
[1:07:17] Speaker 10: Yeah, just what I'm proud of what he did this
[1:07:20] Speaker 10: year is just mastering the operations of what we're doing
[1:07:23] Speaker 10: and getting us to the line of scrimmage so he
[1:07:25] Speaker 10: can make great decisions for us. He did an excellent
[1:07:28] Speaker 10: job of that this year, and I want him to
[1:07:31] Speaker 10: be able to continue to build off of that, so
[1:07:32] Speaker 10: he can make decisions at the line of scrimmage and
[1:07:35] Speaker 10: take advantage of things that he's done throughout the season
[1:07:38] Speaker 10: by whether it's coverage, blitzes, fronts, things to take advantage of.
[1:07:42] Speaker 10: So let's keep building on that part of it. The
[1:07:45] Speaker 10: consistency piece, which is his mantra, that's what he's after,
[1:07:49] Speaker 10: will continue to allow him to find that success. We
[1:07:52] Speaker 10: want to replicate those special games. While there's different degrees
[1:07:57] Speaker 10: of defenses that you face that create different channallenges. I
[1:08:01] Speaker 10: know that's what's out there for us, and so I
[1:08:02] Speaker 10: want to continue to grow that way. What he's done
[1:08:06] Speaker 10: a great job of as a leader is, you know,
[1:08:07] Speaker 10: as you can imagine, he is the cagey vet. You know,
[1:08:11] Speaker 10: he is the elderly statesman in a room of rookies
[1:08:15] Speaker 10: and second year players, you know, and and he embraces that.
[1:08:19] Speaker 10: He embraces that role to come to work with consistency,
[1:08:22] Speaker 10: to grind, to do all those things. So I'm excited
[1:08:25] Speaker 10: for us to get back together in April at some
[1:08:26] Speaker 10: point and to just continue to push that forward.
[1:08:29] Speaker 5: Do you know one of the most fun things about
[1:08:31] Speaker 5: watching what you guys did this year. It wasn't for
[1:08:33] Speaker 5: me like the highs and then how you recovered from
[1:08:36] Speaker 5: the lows and all of those things, but you guys
[1:08:39] Speaker 5: like really worked out loud, like you problem solved and
[1:08:42] Speaker 5: you could see it on the field what problems you
[1:08:45] Speaker 5: were trying to solve from week to week. And specifically
[1:08:48] Speaker 5: want to talk about your passing game and your skill guys,
[1:08:51] Speaker 5: because especially when Jalen came back. Ted McMillan had a
[1:08:54] Speaker 5: great season, as we know, and as when Jalen Koger
[1:08:57] Speaker 5: came back. You could start to see you and I
[1:09:00] Speaker 5: suppose because you guys are working together on this start
[1:09:03] Speaker 5: to build in like some really interesting layers into your
[1:09:07] Speaker 5: passing game where there was depth to it, there was
[1:09:09] Speaker 5: math because we're creating more math, I think than previously with.
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: Some of those matchups.
[1:09:15] Speaker 5: What's the next step. Who becomes the third puzzle piece here,
[1:09:20] Speaker 5: whether he's on the roster or maybe you don't know yet,
[1:09:22] Speaker 5: And how does that take another step forward to continue
[1:09:26] Speaker 5: to build.
[1:09:27] Speaker 9: Depth to it. Yeah, well, first it's it's time on task.
[1:09:30] Speaker 10: And you know, Jalen Coker had an injury right at
[1:09:34] Speaker 10: the end of training camp and that set him out
[1:09:36] Speaker 10: for a little bit of time. So so thankful that
[1:09:40] Speaker 10: David Moore, a guy that I've been with the long time,
[1:09:41] Speaker 10: was able to step into the role for a while
[1:09:43] Speaker 10: for a couple of games. But there was a little
[1:09:46] Speaker 10: bit of a rotating, you know, just a rotation in
[1:09:50] Speaker 10: the wide receiver room because of who was and wasn't available.
[1:09:52] Speaker 10: We traded Adam Thielen, another guy that I loved and
[1:09:56] Speaker 10: so finding that chemistry took all of most of the
[1:09:59] Speaker 10: season to get to a place where we were really operating.
[1:10:02] Speaker 10: They were anticipating each other.
[1:10:03] Speaker 4: You know.
[1:10:04] Speaker 10: I'm excited for Xavier Lyget. I'm excited for the jump
[1:10:07] Speaker 10: and the leap that he's going to take this year.
[1:10:09] Speaker 10: Why do I say that it's because of the work
[1:10:11] Speaker 10: he puts into it. I've been a receivers coach. I
[1:10:15] Speaker 10: watch guys work on their craft. The ones who worked
[1:10:17] Speaker 10: the hardest, it happens for them. And he happens to
[1:10:20] Speaker 10: be six two and a half two thirty and runs
[1:10:22] Speaker 10: four three eight. And all of these things are going
[1:10:25] Speaker 10: to come in the chemistry and the trust that Bryce
[1:10:27] Speaker 10: has in him to continue to go to him in
[1:10:29] Speaker 10: critical downs, you know, and with the ups and downs
[1:10:32] Speaker 10: and the inconsistency that's all of us as a whole,
[1:10:34] Speaker 10: like we have to find consistency. But I'm really excited
[1:10:37] Speaker 10: for this group. I'm excited for Jimmy Horn to see
[1:10:40] Speaker 10: what he can do to add an explosive element to
[1:10:42] Speaker 10: what we're doing. And Bryce and Tremaine, a guy that
[1:10:45] Speaker 10: played on special teams, did the dirty work, made some
[1:10:48] Speaker 10: critical catches for us in different games this is a
[1:10:51] Speaker 10: really good group. Now, it's Dan in mind, it's our
[1:10:53] Speaker 10: job to find players we can add, whether that's free
[1:10:56] Speaker 10: agency or through the raft draft, to challenge that room
[1:11:00] Speaker 10: and to make it a really competitive position.
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, another position that could be in transition. Rico Daddle
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: is a is a free agent for you, do you
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: expect that he would be back? And what are you
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: kind of looking for in that room specific?
[1:11:14] Speaker 10: Those are all things that we're talking about right now.
[1:11:15] Speaker 10: But it goes to that same room. You know, you
[1:11:18] Speaker 10: think about Jonathan Brooks coming back, Trevor Youten and what
[1:11:21] Speaker 10: an amazing player he was in college and did a
[1:11:23] Speaker 10: couple of things for us in the run game, and
[1:11:25] Speaker 10: I'm excited to see where he goes with it. But
[1:11:28] Speaker 10: that's definitely a position that we can also challenge. And uh,
[1:11:31] Speaker 10: we're going to give the ball to the angriest, most
[1:11:33] Speaker 10: explosive guy, and uh, that person could be on our roster,
[1:11:37] Speaker 10: it could be out there, and we're going to take
[1:11:39] Speaker 10: all those things considering.
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: Your anger, you know, like, if it's going to be
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: the angriest, how are you calculating anger?
[1:11:45] Speaker 10: It's just there's a violence to it. There's a there's
[1:11:47] Speaker 10: a way that the ball is supposed to be run
[1:11:48] Speaker 10: and that's what we're looking for.
[1:11:49] Speaker 5: Or take like an average Wednesday interacting with me, Greg,
[1:11:52] Speaker 5: and that's how you measure anger.
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: Sometimes as well.
[1:11:55] Speaker 1: I'd like I'd like to go through the whole how
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: about one. You know, you went through all the offensive
[1:12:00] Speaker 1: players before we let you go one one maybe defensive
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: younger player on the roster that you know, we have
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: an audience that, let's watches the whole league, so maybe
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: maybe someone that they're not as familiar with that you're
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: excited to maybe see grow in your defense in the
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: coming years.
[1:12:15] Speaker 9: Well, Nick s.
[1:12:16] Speaker 10: Gorton did a great job this year and was our
[1:12:19] Speaker 10: second round pick. Consistent, hard working, talented, huge, just a
[1:12:25] Speaker 10: really powerful player and I'm excited to see him continue
[1:12:28] Speaker 10: to expand his his tool belt. Trevin Wallace. We got
[1:12:32] Speaker 10: to get Trevin healthy. He's big and he's fast, and
[1:12:35] Speaker 10: you know he's been a stud just playing through different
[1:12:38] Speaker 10: things and managing that part of it. But I'm excited
[1:12:41] Speaker 10: to see Trevin get back out there. A guy that
[1:12:43] Speaker 10: probably doesn't get mentioned is Corey Thornton. He was he played,
[1:12:47] Speaker 10: he actually moved into the starting lineup and was injured
[1:12:51] Speaker 10: pretty quickly after that. But a guy that can play
[1:12:53] Speaker 10: multiple positions. He can play outside corner, he can play nickel,
[1:12:57] Speaker 10: and he's also played safety for US. A really versatile
[1:12:59] Speaker 10: player long and a really savvy football player. I'm excited
[1:13:03] Speaker 10: to see where he goes. And uh, probably the last
[1:13:05] Speaker 10: one I'll mention is Ben Martin Scott. Uh, you know,
[1:13:09] Speaker 10: contributed to special teams, but he's a rocket. He plays
[1:13:11] Speaker 10: with the right play style and you know, really excited
[1:13:14] Speaker 10: to see his development as an inside linebacker. If you can,
[1:13:17] Speaker 10: you know, give something to us.
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: I love this. You're doing homeworks for me for our
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: season previews.
[1:13:21] Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you too. That's cool that you bring
[1:13:23] Speaker 5: up Corey because one of the top things I heard
[1:13:25] Speaker 5: out of any camp was how excited your defensive guys
[1:13:28] Speaker 5: were out of training camp this last year about Corey.
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: So that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Appreciate Dave Canalis
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: joining us for a second straight year. You know, I'm
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: not saying we were the cause of it, but a
[1:13:40] Speaker 1: nice bump up last year. And so this is what
[1:13:43] Speaker 1: my Wednesdays are. It can happen again that we talked
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: again next year and we're talking.
[1:13:47] Speaker 4: About even more wins.
[1:13:48] Speaker 10: Absolutely. I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious. So
[1:13:51] Speaker 10: you know, this is a good this is a good return.
[1:13:53] Speaker 10: Let's do it again next year.
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you, Dave Canal. Thanks great to talk to
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: Dave Canalis and Dan Morgan was watching the combine coverage
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: and Canalis gave a very similar answer to Rich Eisen
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: and Daniel Jeremiah about the responsibility that Bryce Young has
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: taken at the line of scrimmage. How that's how he's
[1:14:11] Speaker 1: gonna win. It's kind of from the neck up. So
[1:14:15] Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna say, get your information first
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: from us, because we got it literally first, but the
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: show wasn't up, so that's a bad job by us,
[1:14:22] Speaker 1: I guess great interviews. Appreciate that. Nick, thank you for
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: hanging out. And I did want to note that as
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: of Thursday night, if it wasn't already over, you're not
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: allowed to say frame mogged ever again, not that you
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: were in the first place. Frame mogged is done?
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: What about maxing? Can I still use maxing with looks maxine?
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: Now? Nothing at that's gone?
[1:14:47] Speaker 2: Okay, good because I didn't use any of that and
[1:14:48] Speaker 2: I thought it was just unnecessary. But we can all
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: thank Kyle Hamilton for that, because he got frame mogged
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: during the NFL Combine by none other than Sunny Styles
[1:14:58] Speaker 2: and a comparison on the screen.
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just because I'm sensitive. I'm I'm
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: like a walking and getting frame mogged. I mean, anytime
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: I've ever been on the show with you shook, certainly.
[1:15:07] Speaker 1: But yes, for for those who you know, weren't watching
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: the program, Kyle Hamilton noted when they did the side
[1:15:13] Speaker 1: by side, you know, heightweight, speed, and they compared Kyle Hamilton,
[1:15:18] Speaker 1: who you would you would think would be, you know,
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: even faster than these these built behemoth at linebacker Sonny Styles. No,
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: even though Sunny Styles was so much bigger and stronger,
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: he was even faster than than Kyle Hamilton, who's who's
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: plenty of speedy. And yeah, he sent he sent a
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: tweet out to NFL Network and Rich Eisen that he
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: was getting frame mogged, and then the NFL social used
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: the word frame mogged. And actually I was really happy
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: because when that happened, that's when I knew it was over.
[1:15:48] Speaker 2: Yes, as soon as corporate America adopts any term, it
[1:15:53] Speaker 2: all ends very quickly.
[1:15:55] Speaker 3: It's like when it's like when.
[1:15:56] Speaker 2: Swag became like a very big thing or yolo, like
[1:15:59] Speaker 2: back ten to fifteen years ago and everyone was getting
[1:16:02] Speaker 2: their swag bags and everyone was saying yolo, and it
[1:16:04] Speaker 2: was dead from then too.
[1:16:05] Speaker 3: It went the way of vine unfortunately.
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: So we'll see. I mean, I yeah, it wasn't a
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: fan anyways. I am a fan of all the work
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: that you're going to be doing. Check out Nick Chuck's
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: All Combine Team. Now it comes out throughout the weekend.
[1:16:21] Speaker 3: Right now, it comes out after the weekend.
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: It'll be like, okay, because you were writing, you were
[1:16:25] Speaker 1: writing today, you're getting that work done. You're going to
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: do that as well throughout the weekend, and then the
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: big All Combine piece will come out at the very
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: end of it all and you're going to join the show.
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: Our next show will be on Sunday evening, so keep
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: an eye out for that. Thank you to Eric Roberts
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: for hanging out at what's probably a quiet Inglewood right now.
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: In terms of NFL media, it's going to be busy
[1:16:55] Speaker 1: though in Indianapolis. Have fun, Nick, and we'll be watching
[1:16:58] Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, the offensive lineman, running backs, all of it.
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: Over the weekend. We'll see a Sunday out
[1:17:06] Speaker 7: MHM

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