# Derwin and Nico Get Paid and Would You Rather

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 27 May 2026, 49 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon get you caught up on all of the news from OTAs around the NFL including Josh Jacobs' arrest, Derwin James, Nico Collins and Mac Jones all getting updated contracts, Bucky Irving and De'Von Achane's status heading toward the new season and more! After the break, Gregg and Patrick play a game of would you rather where they tell you if they'd rather have Travis Hunter or Cooper Dejean, James Cook or Saquon Barkley, a Drake Maye or Mac Jones Super Bowl, and other NFL hypotheticals. NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we always love to see
[0:08] Speaker 1: three of the biggest superstars in the game getting paid.
[0:11] Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal with Patrick Claibhon and the Chris Westling
[0:14] Speaker 1: podcast studio. And yes, that that good news. Later in
[0:18] Speaker 1: the show, as I call the big three in the
[0:20] Speaker 1: NFL Derwin James, Nico Collins and Mac Jones, I'll get
[0:25] Speaker 1: in their mind. NFL Daily, all legends, good, good young players. Unfortunately,
[0:31] Speaker 1: we got to start off the news today with news
[0:35] Speaker 1: that we never want to see coming across our timeline.
[0:38] Speaker 1: We're going to do some news and we're also going
[0:41] Speaker 1: to do some fun would you rathers later in the show.
[0:44] Speaker 1: I know Patrick has been furiously coming up with complicated
[0:47] Speaker 1: scenarios for this, but before that, as always, we start
[0:50] Speaker 1: with the news, and we have to start with the
[0:52] Speaker 1: Packers running back. Josh Jacobs getting arrested on five different
[0:58] Speaker 1: charges in relation to assault, felony strangulation was the felony charge.
[1:06] Speaker 1: It arrests thems from an incident on Saturday morning in
[1:10] Speaker 1: which police in Wisconsin were dispatched to a disturbit involving Jacobs.
[1:16] Speaker 1: He was booked also on four misdemeanor counts of assault,
[1:19] Speaker 1: criminal damage to property, disorderly conduct, and intimidation of victim.
[1:26] Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur was asked about it.
[1:28] Speaker 1: The Packers also released the statement that just said they
[1:31] Speaker 1: are aware of the matter. Let's actually listen to Matt
[1:34] Speaker 1: Lafleur after his OTA on Wednesday.
[1:39] Speaker 3: Well, I know there's gonna be a lot of questions
[1:40] Speaker 3: about Josh. I'm gonna stick with the statement that we
[1:44] Speaker 3: put out as an organization and just let the process
[1:47] Speaker 3: play out. Not as far as kickball goes, do you
[1:50] Speaker 3: have to prepare for the possibility that you might be
[1:52] Speaker 3: playing some of this season about him, especially the summer year.
[1:55] Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of happen that's going to happen.
[1:57] Speaker 4: Between now and then.
[1:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously Josh Bac an important part of that team,
[2:03] Speaker 1: and these are extremely serious charges. Just to spell out
[2:07] Speaker 1: the process of all this happened, how this happens. The
[2:10] Speaker 1: Brown County District Attorney's office also said the investigation into
[2:14] Speaker 1: Jacob's remains open and ongoing. After reviewing the available evidence
[2:19] Speaker 1: in the case, the Brown County District Attorneys is not
[2:22] Speaker 1: yet prepared to make a formal charging decision, so they've
[2:26] Speaker 1: requested an additional investigation. Just to be clear, youated, there's
[2:31] Speaker 1: a certain bar that they indicated has to be reached
[2:34] Speaker 1: for him to be brought in. He has since been
[2:38] Speaker 1: let out after posting bond, and we will see if
[2:42] Speaker 1: he has charged any further on the matter.
[2:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, and to me, you know, to go through and
[2:47] Speaker 3: evaluate all these situations first and foremost, hopefully everybody, you know,
[2:52] Speaker 3: the victim in this, we're able to find out what happened.
[2:55] Speaker 3: The Green Bay Packers were able to find out what happened,
[2:58] Speaker 3: and you know, the the legal process, you know, as
[3:01] Speaker 3: it plays out. You know, Josh Jacobs, being a person
[3:03] Speaker 3: with money and privilege, has access to a lot of
[3:06] Speaker 3: things that other people charged in these circumstances.
[3:09] Speaker 4: They may not need.
[3:10] Speaker 3: More information to go back and review and determine whether
[3:12] Speaker 3: or not they want to make any formal charges in
[3:17] Speaker 3: this circumstance. We're not necessarily there yet in terms of
[3:20] Speaker 3: information that we have access to, but hopefully, you know,
[3:24] Speaker 3: we we get some answers at a certain point. I
[3:28] Speaker 3: generally am skeptical that the US criminal legal system provides
[3:32] Speaker 3: those answers in a meaningful capacity, as it is a
[3:34] Speaker 3: net distributor of sexual violence.
[3:36] Speaker 1: And this you know these are domestic violence charges. The
[3:39] Speaker 1: NFL has made kind of a strict rule of how
[3:43] Speaker 1: many games you miss for domestic violence charges. They made
[3:46] Speaker 1: it clear as a league how seriously they take it,
[3:49] Speaker 1: and this is going to be a test case of that.
[3:51] Speaker 1: So we'll be watching what happens with Josh Jacobs moving forward.
[3:55] Speaker 1: Some other notes, just while we're on the Packers, who
[3:58] Speaker 1: you know is having their OTA. Eight more teams are
[4:01] Speaker 1: having OTAs as of Wednesday, I believe it was eleven
[4:05] Speaker 1: that started Tuesday. The whole league is going. It is
[4:08] Speaker 1: basically OT season. I think there's only one or two
[4:10] Speaker 1: that are not on this week. So just a couple
[4:13] Speaker 1: notes because we hadn't heard from Lafleur in a long
[4:15] Speaker 1: time about the players on the field. Zire Franklin is
[4:19] Speaker 1: the one wearing the headset their acquisition from the Colt,
[4:22] Speaker 1: so he's gonna have a big part in their defense
[4:25] Speaker 1: this offseason. Zach Tom they're tackle, not expected to be
[4:29] Speaker 1: back until camp. Micah Parsons is expected to open camp
[4:32] Speaker 1: on the pup list. No surprise there, but Tucker Kraft,
[4:36] Speaker 1: They're vital tight end, may be ready for the start
[4:40] Speaker 1: of camp. According to Lafleur, who, by the way, canceled
[4:44] Speaker 1: all availability which was previously set for his players. With
[4:49] Speaker 1: the Jacobs situation looming, I think that's somewhat unfortunate.
[4:54] Speaker 2: I assume it won't last.
[4:56] Speaker 1: More than one day or or maybe more than this week,
[4:58] Speaker 1: but they wanted Lafleur to be the only voice talking
[5:01] Speaker 1: on that issue today. Let's get to the contract stuff
[5:03] Speaker 1: that I was talking about earlier. Three big deals. Tongue
[5:08] Speaker 1: in cheek a little bit. Mac Jones's deal wasn't that big,
[5:11] Speaker 1: but three big deals to guys who well, I mean literally,
[5:15] Speaker 1: the money wasn't that big for him. Derwin James's money
[5:18] Speaker 1: is massive. Three years, seventy five million dollars on his extension.
[5:23] Speaker 1: I think the key number here fifty seven point five
[5:27] Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed.
[5:28] Speaker 2: We'll have to look under the hood.
[5:29] Speaker 1: My guess is that's the majority of the next two
[5:33] Speaker 1: years of his salary are probably guaranteed, if not all
[5:37] Speaker 1: of it, plus maybe a little bit into a third.
[5:40] Speaker 1: It's been really fascinating watching his career. There have been
[5:43] Speaker 1: some ups and downs. There's been times where he's one
[5:45] Speaker 1: of the best defensive players in the league. There's other
[5:48] Speaker 1: times where he's hasn't fit with the defense, he's had
[5:50] Speaker 1: a lot of different coordinators, or he's been hurt, and
[5:52] Speaker 1: there's been little dips. So it was great to see
[5:55] Speaker 1: last season and really with Brandon's daily there rather Jesse
[6:01] Speaker 1: Minter there in the Jim Harbaugh era that he has
[6:04] Speaker 1: been just an incredible fit and they're looking to continue that.
[6:07] Speaker 1: I think he is coming off of a high in
[6:09] Speaker 1: terms of his play last season.
[6:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, the Freudian slip there.
[6:12] Speaker 3: Taking us back to this tailor the defensive genius and mastermind,
[6:16] Speaker 3: where I think the most important aspect of a defensive genius.
[6:19] Speaker 3: You have a player who does things that other people
[6:21] Speaker 3: at his position can't do. You have him do those
[6:24] Speaker 3: things and do them successfully and well. And Jesse Mentor
[6:27] Speaker 3: was very very good at that with Derwyn James and
[6:30] Speaker 3: I you know, would hope that you know, Harball is
[6:33] Speaker 3: able to, you know, get this team able to be
[6:37] Speaker 3: in the position to duplicate that success on that side
[6:39] Speaker 3: of the ball, because that's how that's how team buildings
[6:42] Speaker 3: should work. You get somebody that can do stuff and
[6:44] Speaker 3: you have to do it.
[6:45] Speaker 1: I gotta admit I had to Google while you're talking.
[6:48] Speaker 1: I keep forgetting who's the defensive coordinator. And I always
[6:51] Speaker 1: want to say, like, O'Reilly otto parts. I know it's
[6:54] Speaker 1: an Irish name, and that's being stereotypical and unfair to
[6:58] Speaker 1: Chris O'Leary. So the thing I like about him is
[7:02] Speaker 1: that he was with the team earlier, then he goes
[7:05] Speaker 1: into college and then comes back similar to how Minteror
[7:08] Speaker 1: did it. And Ali Connelly has pointed out this is
[7:12] Speaker 1: a specific strategy that the Harbob Brothers have essentially started.
[7:18] Speaker 1: Maybe more coaches will start it where they tell their
[7:20] Speaker 1: assistance go to college, learn some stuff, get a bigger position,
[7:25] Speaker 1: and that can kind of be your way to learn
[7:27] Speaker 1: more and then come back to us. They're using the
[7:29] Speaker 1: college as almost a feeder system and very cool. Now
[7:33] Speaker 1: it's Chris O'Leary who's going to be using similar I
[7:36] Speaker 1: think ideas to what Jesse Mintor had, so that that
[7:38] Speaker 1: bodes well.
[7:39] Speaker 3: For yeah, what's in Western Michigan. I'm saying this to
[7:41] Speaker 3: commit Chris O'Leary to my m as I was struggling
[7:44] Speaker 3: to remember that, you know, Chris son of Patrick and
[7:47] Speaker 3: Julie O'Leary, My apologies for forgetting you, but I will
[7:50] Speaker 3: not yes, so Leary the defensive coordinator of the Los
[7:53] Speaker 3: Angeles Chargers.
[7:55] Speaker 1: Now I'm putting two and two together because you know
[7:57] Speaker 1: who used to work for Western Michigan back in the day.
[8:00] Speaker 1: It was Western Michigan, right yeah, Ollie Connolly as Scott
[8:03] Speaker 1: So I see he's gotten in. I'm not trying to,
[8:06] Speaker 1: you know, call him out source people. Outsource people. Uh.
[8:09] Speaker 2: Derwin James.
[8:10] Speaker 1: I just like the fact that he could be retiring
[8:12] Speaker 1: as a Charger. There's only so many like LA Chargers
[8:16] Speaker 1: that are that you think of as like, I know,
[8:19] Speaker 1: he's been with the team a long time. To me,
[8:21] Speaker 1: obviously you think of Herbert, but Durwin James is kind
[8:23] Speaker 1: of the definitive LA Charger.
[8:25] Speaker 4: Very cool.
[8:26] Speaker 1: Nico Collins trying to become one of the definitive Houston
[8:29] Speaker 1: Texans certainly becoming, you know, right there with the best
[8:34] Speaker 1: wide receivers in their history behind Andrey Johnson.
[8:36] Speaker 2: Is Nico Collins already number two.
[8:39] Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, I believe that he
[8:40] Speaker 1: would be he gets a raise over the next two years.
[8:43] Speaker 1: He signed one of the most i would say team
[8:46] Speaker 1: friendly deals.
[8:47] Speaker 2: They were ahead of the game at the time.
[8:48] Speaker 1: People thought they gave Nico Collins too much money because
[8:52] Speaker 1: they signed him really early, but they knew what they
[8:53] Speaker 1: had and suddenly he's going into these next two years
[8:56] Speaker 1: at only about twenty one to twenty two million dollars
[8:58] Speaker 1: a year, which is very underpaid for his level of production.
[9:01] Speaker 1: And so what they do is they don't give him
[9:03] Speaker 1: an extension. They just give him a raise. I like that.
[9:07] Speaker 1: So he's still going to be a free agent in
[9:08] Speaker 1: a couple of years, but they give him seventeen million
[9:11] Speaker 1: dollars more over the next two years, spread out pretty
[9:15] Speaker 1: evenly in each year, so like an eight nine million
[9:18] Speaker 1: dollar raise in each of the next two seasons for
[9:21] Speaker 1: Nico Collins. What do you think about this trend of
[9:24] Speaker 1: just raises that that's it's kind of new. You just, hey,
[9:27] Speaker 1: you're so good, we're gonna give you a raise. We're
[9:29] Speaker 1: not even going to extend you because you probably don't
[9:30] Speaker 1: want that extension. You want to get to free agency.
[9:33] Speaker 1: But just you're so good. We have to reconize it.
[9:35] Speaker 3: And I feel like there's probably some teams that don't
[9:37] Speaker 3: like teams just going and using the available space to
[9:40] Speaker 3: provide raises to players because it's a solution to a problem.
[9:43] Speaker 3: That a lot of teams, just in terms of public perception,
[9:47] Speaker 3: pretend like it's not available to them, like, oh, well,
[9:50] Speaker 3: we got to you know, this this deal. He's on
[9:52] Speaker 3: this deal, and we can't we can't make alterations and
[9:55] Speaker 3: have a new deal. You can just give somebody a raise.
[9:57] Speaker 3: That would solve a lot of you know, talk about
[9:59] Speaker 3: people being discred Ronald and all of these other circumstances
[10:01] Speaker 3: and camp holdouts. You could just give somebody a raise,
[10:04] Speaker 3: bottoms off.
[10:05] Speaker 2: It's so rare.
[10:06] Speaker 1: This is a pretty unique case, and I don't think
[10:09] Speaker 1: it's a total coincidence that there was some trade whispers
[10:15] Speaker 1: going into the draft, and it was more teams. To
[10:18] Speaker 1: be clear, it was reported interested in Nico Collins, but
[10:22] Speaker 1: I had actually separately heard some whispers of that teams
[10:28] Speaker 1: thought maybe there was a situation where he could be
[10:31] Speaker 1: shaken loose, and according to Nicosia, the GM that was
[10:35] Speaker 1: Poppy Coot was wishful thinking well because he said, we're
[10:38] Speaker 1: not trading Nico Collins. But at least the teams for
[10:42] Speaker 1: whatever reason, thought hey, if we gave a godfather offering
[10:45] Speaker 1: a new contract, maybe we'd get Nico Collins. Houston, by
[10:48] Speaker 1: all accounts, just shut that down. Smart, smart move by them.
[10:51] Speaker 1: I don't know why this all popped up, but if
[10:53] Speaker 1: it resulted in him getting a little money out.
[10:54] Speaker 3: I wish dickas Area would tell us which team would
[10:56] Speaker 3: would be most incentivized to participate in the poppycock.
[11:01] Speaker 1: Well that's interesting. What do you well, maybe they really
[11:04] Speaker 1: wanted Nick. Oh you're saying like another team that doesn't
[11:06] Speaker 1: like the Texans is trying to like raise me.
[11:08] Speaker 4: No, it's a team that wanted Nico Collins.
[11:10] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if I was the Patriots, I
[11:11] Speaker 2: would have wanted him.
[11:12] Speaker 4: How about that one?
[11:13] Speaker 3: And so you go and say, hey, I think, yeah
[11:16] Speaker 3: that maybe we can make Nico Collins available by facilitating
[11:20] Speaker 3: this discussion that I'm having with you right now.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Right And I don't know how this particular sausage gets made,
[11:26] Speaker 1: but that's just a little window into sometimes how the
[11:28] Speaker 1: sausage gets made. But yeah, he'll still be a contract
[11:32] Speaker 1: in terms of his free agency year, will still pop
[11:36] Speaker 1: up in what twenty eight, a couple of years from now,
[11:39] Speaker 1: He'll still be young. Mac Jones also got a three
[11:41] Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar race, not a not a big one,
[11:44] Speaker 1: but they did decide to just give Mac Jones. I mean,
[11:47] Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars is still a lot of money
[11:49] Speaker 1: in my mind.
[11:50] Speaker 2: Mac Jones, Baby.
[11:52] Speaker 4: Mac Jones also featured in one of mine would you
[11:54] Speaker 4: rathers for? Great? Oh?
[11:55] Speaker 2: Okay?
[11:56] Speaker 1: He also got two point five million dollars added in
[11:59] Speaker 1: incentives if he happens to wind up starting and playing
[12:02] Speaker 1: well like he did a year ago. So he is
[12:05] Speaker 1: not getting traded and he will be a free agent
[12:07] Speaker 1: after this season. Speaking of how the game is played
[12:11] Speaker 1: in terms of trade, Jordan Schultz reported that there has
[12:17] Speaker 1: been interest in a Josh Sweat trade other teams wanting
[12:22] Speaker 1: to pry Josh Sweat loose. We ranked him quite high
[12:27] Speaker 1: on our edge defender rankings. A lot of controversy people
[12:32] Speaker 1: commenting on some of those rankings. Abdul Carter, we had
[12:35] Speaker 1: quite high people just upset that their favorite player is
[12:39] Speaker 1: not getting ranked high enough. I thought we properly rated
[12:42] Speaker 1: Josh Sweat here. And apparently there's a bunch of teams
[12:45] Speaker 1: that are kind of sniffing around Josh Sweat as a
[12:47] Speaker 1: potential edge to add. Maybe it would be during the season,
[12:51] Speaker 1: but maybe in training camp.
[12:52] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[12:52] Speaker 3: Eighteen game where the team defense really fell off towards
[12:56] Speaker 3: the end of the year, he was top ten in
[12:58] Speaker 3: time to pressure converted about twenty eight percent of his
[13:03] Speaker 3: pressures into sacks.
[13:04] Speaker 4: He was top five in that regard.
[13:06] Speaker 3: A solid season rushing the passer for Josh Sweat, even
[13:09] Speaker 3: if the defense was nowhere to be found towards the
[13:12] Speaker 3: end of the year.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not his fault. He wound up getting
[13:16] Speaker 1: taken fifteenth. I would say the most common complaint, weirdly
[13:19] Speaker 1: was from Seahawks fans that were like, well, I guess
[13:22] Speaker 1: you guys ranked the offensive line below average and we
[13:25] Speaker 1: got no defensive linemen are great edges on the team,
[13:28] Speaker 1: and yet we were supposed to be like one of
[13:30] Speaker 1: the best teams up front. First of all, they didn't
[13:33] Speaker 1: really read it. They were noticed that DeMarcus Lawrence was
[13:37] Speaker 1: there at twenty seven. Get he counts. Second boy Mafe
[13:41] Speaker 1: made the list. He was on the team last year.
[13:43] Speaker 1: He's just no longer on the team. He had two sacks.
[13:46] Speaker 1: I mean, for what it's worth, we put two guys
[13:49] Speaker 1: at edge on the list out of thirty two who
[13:51] Speaker 1: combined for eight sacks. Now, I think their value is
[13:55] Speaker 1: why we put them there and valued them. But I
[13:57] Speaker 1: think that was being fair to those two gentlemen, and
[14:00] Speaker 1: sometimes it's more about the team than it is about
[14:02] Speaker 1: the individual players.
[14:03] Speaker 2: Seahawks just enjoy winning this.
[14:05] Speaker 4: I think most of them are happy. Couple is you know?
[14:09] Speaker 4: There were three do a bit itchy here?
[14:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, there were like three different ones. There were three
[14:15] Speaker 1: blaming this on like three. I'll take ads, okay. Some
[14:19] Speaker 1: injuries at the running back position. We've had an audible
[14:23] Speaker 1: this week in terms of our weekly ranking series, the
[14:27] Speaker 1: NFL Daily thirty two, where we rank the best across
[14:30] Speaker 1: the NFL in a variety of positions or even head
[14:34] Speaker 1: coaching gms. We're now doing running backs this week, and
[14:37] Speaker 1: so we're going to be talking about Devon a Chan.
[14:40] Speaker 1: We might be talking about Bucky Irving. Does he make
[14:42] Speaker 1: the top thirty two. Some updates on their injuries. Devon
[14:46] Speaker 1: ah Chan is officially coming off a shoulder surgery. Didn't
[14:49] Speaker 1: know that for sure before, and he's not one hundred
[14:52] Speaker 1: percent back that Dolphins anticipate he'll be ready for training camp.
[14:56] Speaker 1: He is doing some activity at OTAs, but not fully
[14:59] Speaker 1: so that that's interesting. Most interesting there is, though, that
[15:02] Speaker 1: they gave him his contract extension knowing everything about his surgery,
[15:06] Speaker 1: and so they're obviously not concerned, so I won't be either.
[15:09] Speaker 1: Bucky Irving maybe a little more concern after listening to
[15:13] Speaker 1: Todd Bowles's comments this week.
[15:15] Speaker 4: But he's come along fine, he's working out, he's rough.
[15:19] Speaker 3: We expect him sometime back in the summer to fall,
[15:21] Speaker 3: and you know, we'll look forward to him when he
[15:23] Speaker 3: gets back.
[15:24] Speaker 1: Our friend Josh Norris noted this is like an annual
[15:27] Speaker 1: occurrence where Todd Bowles just says something very loose at
[15:30] Speaker 1: the podium that makes fantasy football experts like yourself say like, wait.
[15:35] Speaker 2: What fall Bucky Irving? Are you concerned?
[15:39] Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I'm generally concerned. He plays football.
[15:42] Speaker 3: I think maybe that was a little more hesitation in
[15:46] Speaker 3: Todd Bowles's mind. You know, he's focused on football and
[15:49] Speaker 3: maybe not like equinoxes in such things, and he's realizing that,
[15:53] Speaker 3: you know, August September.
[15:55] Speaker 1: Sure is like, but that would kind of indicate if
[15:58] Speaker 1: you're staying into the that's like a serious injury that
[16:03] Speaker 1: he We knew he was coming off an injury, but
[16:06] Speaker 1: we didn't know it was, you know, potentially that serious.
[16:08] Speaker 1: The fall does technically start, you're right, September twenty first,
[16:13] Speaker 1: twenty second.
[16:15] Speaker 3: So i would say, you know, I'm not selling all
[16:19] Speaker 3: my Bucky Irving shares.
[16:20] Speaker 4: I think he's that good of a football player.
[16:22] Speaker 3: I'm trying to win in weeks ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
[16:25] Speaker 3: fourth or fifteen, and so I'm willing to deal with
[16:28] Speaker 3: some light action in the first few weeks of the season.
[16:31] Speaker 3: Maybe get a couple Sean Tucker games in there. I'm
[16:33] Speaker 3: completely fine with that. I'm not dropping his ADP that much.
[16:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a shoulder injury for Bucky Irving
[16:39] Speaker 1: as well, so he's coming off a shoulder surgery as well.
[16:43] Speaker 1: Ken Kenny G's there. Kenny G's there to soak up
[16:46] Speaker 1: Some wouldn't be surprised if he leads the Bucks in touches.
[16:52] Speaker 1: In fact, I ate the Bucks running backs. I would
[16:55] Speaker 1: pick him. Knowing Bucky Irving's injury especially puts it over
[16:59] Speaker 1: the top. If you're just saying who gets the most
[17:01] Speaker 1: touches in that backfield, I would guess it's Kenny Gamo.
[17:04] Speaker 2: Good player.
[17:05] Speaker 3: I mean it's he'll live where Kenny g lives. It's
[17:09] Speaker 3: going to be some fourth quarter Baker scrambles and dump
[17:12] Speaker 3: offs where you'll look up and ah, Kenny g has
[17:14] Speaker 3: seventeen Fantasy points again.
[17:18] Speaker 4: Double war.
[17:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be what happens after Shan Tucker gets
[17:21] Speaker 1: the Scaries of the Goland like you did last year.
[17:24] Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has returned to OTA's If you're on Lamar Jackson, Oh,
[17:27] Speaker 1: he's trying OTA watch. He's also going to be talking
[17:30] Speaker 1: as we're doing this show, so we'll see if he
[17:31] Speaker 1: says anything interesting. And I've got a trade for you.
[17:38] Speaker 1: Maybe the lowest octane trade of the offseason. No offense
[17:41] Speaker 1: to IRV Charles, but wasn't as familiar with the special
[17:45] Speaker 1: teamers work was very good on special teams for the
[17:48] Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Jets. Tore his ACL that hasn't been
[17:51] Speaker 1: as much in the mix. Traded to the Seahawks for
[17:55] Speaker 1: a twenty twenty eight conditional seventh round pick. You can
[17:59] Speaker 1: trade the twenty twenty eight picks now that we are
[18:02] Speaker 1: past the twenty six draft. That's according to Zach Rosenblatt
[18:07] Speaker 1: of The Athletic, an exclusive IRV Charles trade. While we're
[18:11] Speaker 1: talking Seahawks, I did find it fascinating that Mike McDonald
[18:19] Speaker 1: has a new slogan that he wanted to break out.
[18:21] Speaker 1: He wanted to test it being asked about how it
[18:25] Speaker 1: is to coach a team defending a Super Bowl title.
[18:29] Speaker 1: Every coach kind of has to make a decision. They're like, no,
[18:31] Speaker 1: we're not defending it. The season starts over. No, we're
[18:34] Speaker 1: doing this. They get really hung up about the idea
[18:37] Speaker 1: of defending the Super Bowl. Here is Mike McDonald being
[18:41] Speaker 1: asked about running back.
[18:43] Speaker 5: We're using the term we want to run it forward,
[18:46] Speaker 5: it meaning our process and who we are. And I
[18:51] Speaker 5: think I think this is going to be a conversation that,
[18:53] Speaker 5: you know, something that we're going to talk about consistently.
[18:55] Speaker 5: I don't think it's a one and done type of conversation.
[18:59] Speaker 2: Really, it's just.
[19:02] Speaker 5: How we talk about how we operate all the time,
[19:04] Speaker 5: you know. It's something that we We're having conversations with
[19:07] Speaker 5: our team and our units every day about who we
[19:09] Speaker 5: want to be and how we want to do things.
[19:10] Speaker 5: And this situation is no different. So it's really nothing
[19:14] Speaker 5: more than or less than that.
[19:16] Speaker 3: The exact same confidences when he came in there and
[19:19] Speaker 3: he took all the old slogans and standards off the wall,
[19:22] Speaker 3: and people had a lot of things to say about
[19:24] Speaker 3: it at the time. He hasn't changed and it's not
[19:27] Speaker 3: lip service. I think we are oriented towards the process.
[19:31] Speaker 4: M h.
[19:32] Speaker 3: And yeah, they would like to win another Super Bowl, right,
[19:35] Speaker 3: that's why everybody's playing. And he doesn't care, like when
[19:39] Speaker 3: he said I don't care and his eyes sparkled up
[19:41] Speaker 3: and everybody went crazy. Bike Mac does not care at all.
[19:44] Speaker 2: He does not.
[19:47] Speaker 1: What do you think just as someone who is a
[19:50] Speaker 1: lover of words speaks words about just the slogan run
[19:54] Speaker 1: it forward. Now that's you don't want to run it backwards.
[19:59] Speaker 1: It is what the sport is built on. Running it forward. Yeah,
[20:05] Speaker 1: run it for, don't run it back.
[20:06] Speaker 4: Don't run it back.
[20:07] Speaker 1: Run it back you lose yardage. Run it forward, like,
[20:10] Speaker 1: let's get two or three yards.
[20:11] Speaker 3: And also that team doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, like big
[20:14] Speaker 3: time contributors aren't there anymore. And so look the rearview mirror.
[20:17] Speaker 3: You know, whatever slogan you would like to apply, uh,
[20:20] Speaker 3: you know, Mike MiG again, it won't matter.
[20:23] Speaker 4: But now they've got herv Charles.
[20:25] Speaker 1: Now, well what about what Ken Walker, who's not there anymore,
[20:28] Speaker 1: used to do, which is I would find a lot
[20:30] Speaker 1: of times he would run it back.
[20:31] Speaker 2: He would run to run it forward.
[20:34] Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes you got to make three lefts.
[20:37] Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break.
[20:38] Speaker 1: We're going to have some fun playing a game we
[20:40] Speaker 1: like to call would you Rather. We're going to decide
[20:43] Speaker 1: the most important issues either ors in the NFL today
[20:47] Speaker 1: after this.
[21:00] Speaker 3: Back on NFL Daily. The music very appropriate here. Before
[21:04] Speaker 3: we get to would you Rather? I did want to
[21:06] Speaker 3: update you guys on something before Greg demeaned and diminish
[21:09] Speaker 3: the trade for IRV Charles. IRV Charles his freshman year
[21:13] Speaker 3: at Penn State average fifty three yards per reception.
[21:17] Speaker 4: Whoa, now that was two catches.
[21:20] Speaker 3: We gotta get we gotta get earth. Charles the Baltimore
[21:24] Speaker 3: sixty three twenty three, so.
[21:26] Speaker 1: That's one hundred and six yards. I want to find
[21:28] Speaker 1: out how that was broken down. Yeah, eighty five and
[21:31] Speaker 1: twenty one, that would be my guess.
[21:32] Speaker 2: Probably something like that. Charles the fourth.
[21:38] Speaker 1: PFF Adham as a Pro Bowl Special Teams level player
[21:43] Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four for that injury.
[21:45] Speaker 4: I'll block that guy.
[21:47] Speaker 2: It's would you Rather? Time?
[21:50] Speaker 1: Patrick and myself will post questions to each other and
[21:55] Speaker 1: we might take some questions that were created back there
[21:59] Speaker 1: by Chris Pavone and Eric Roberts that we both answer
[22:03] Speaker 1: very simple. Would you rather Eric killed.
[22:05] Speaker 4: It on this music?
[22:06] Speaker 1: Either?
[22:06] Speaker 3: Or it's like it's like a true crime documentary where
[22:08] Speaker 3: people profit off of somebody else's grizzly murder.
[22:13] Speaker 1: It's like, Yeah, I'm reading a great true crime book
[22:16] Speaker 1: right now, London Falling by Patrick rad and Keith This.
[22:19] Speaker 1: This would be an appropriate background sick for a lot
[22:22] Speaker 1: of what I'm learning.
[22:23] Speaker 2: Recommended.
[22:24] Speaker 1: All Right, all right, I'm gonna start with Let's start
[22:26] Speaker 1: with Patrick. We need him to carry this thing.
[22:28] Speaker 3: No, Wall, you don't. That's false, by the way, But okay,
[22:33] Speaker 3: let's do this. Greg Rosenthal, Okay, would you rather?
[22:39] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[22:40] Speaker 3: Drake May a successful career as the starting quarterback of
[22:43] Speaker 3: the New England Patriots, starts until the year twenty forty.
[22:47] Speaker 3: In the year twenty thirty seven, they win the Super Bowl,
[22:50] Speaker 3: shattering a lot of doubters.
[22:52] Speaker 2: Yes or that's it?
[22:55] Speaker 4: They battle out May's next deal. After some CJ.
[22:58] Speaker 3: Stroud esque down years leading to many departed and winning
[23:01] Speaker 3: two Super Bowls for the Detroit Lions in the twenty thirties,
[23:04] Speaker 3: the Patriots cobble together a pair with journeyman starting quarterbacks,
[23:08] Speaker 3: one in twenty thirty two and another in twenty forty. Oh,
[23:12] Speaker 3: that first journeyman quarterback is none other than Jacksonville, Florida's
[23:16] Speaker 3: I'm acorkel jonp.
[23:17] Speaker 2: My god, that was a journey.
[23:21] Speaker 1: Just thought I was taking the first one, to thought
[23:22] Speaker 1: I'm then taking the second one. Is the amount of
[23:25] Speaker 1: Super Bowls that your team wins ultimately more important than
[23:30] Speaker 1: who is one.
[23:32] Speaker 3: You get one with Matt Jones Drakeman famously, the only
[23:35] Speaker 3: thing that matters gets to be your quarterback until twenty
[23:38] Speaker 3: forty or he's discarded in search of one.
[23:42] Speaker 1: Well, I'm a big fan of mccorkyl and as a man,
[23:45] Speaker 1: as an NFL daily guest, and as a quarterback. And
[23:48] Speaker 1: yet I like the journey, and you're telling me he's
[23:54] Speaker 1: going to get that super Bowl eventually. I like the
[23:57] Speaker 1: relationships that we form Parasoa with the players we root for,
[24:02] Speaker 1: and so I want the long may. And now this
[24:05] Speaker 1: might be you know as our as our friend Dan
[24:08] Speaker 1: Hansis would have said that me talking about the Throne
[24:11] Speaker 1: of V's, you know that I've seen the Patriots win
[24:15] Speaker 1: a lot of super Bowls. So the whole like two
[24:17] Speaker 1: versus one. I'm getting two with Mac and one with
[24:19] Speaker 1: versus me feels like a little less of a big deal. Yeah,
[24:23] Speaker 1: I want me. I just want to watch him play football.
[24:25] Speaker 1: I'm going to watch him play fooball no matter who
[24:27] Speaker 1: he's on. I mean, he does get two with the
[24:28] Speaker 1: Lions and this stuff. Yeah you shoot, wait a second,
[24:33] Speaker 1: I didn't really think about the Lions angle of it.
[24:35] Speaker 1: That was specifically the Lions.
[24:37] Speaker 4: That's why I made it very convoluted.
[24:41] Speaker 1: I might I might be switch switching because what this
[24:44] Speaker 1: does is guarantee the Lions two super Bowls. Specifically, the
[24:47] Speaker 1: Lions get two super Bowls.
[24:48] Speaker 3: Drake May gets two super Bowls and the Patriots get one.
[24:51] Speaker 4: But well they get two.
[24:54] Speaker 2: Yeah you don't they get two with they.
[24:56] Speaker 3: Get two super Bowls, but you don't get a Drake
[24:59] Speaker 3: May super Bowl with with the Patriots.
[25:00] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm switching it just because I'm such a good
[25:03] Speaker 1: guy and out of the goodness of my heart, I
[25:05] Speaker 1: think Kevin Patrick and all the Lions.
[25:07] Speaker 2: Fans deserve that. I'm still getting what I want.
[25:10] Speaker 4: For the most part, I've made it too sweet.
[25:12] Speaker 1: Since I have a similar ish question. Okay, this is
[25:16] Speaker 1: just more testing how aligned you are with the Ravens.
[25:21] Speaker 1: Would you either a Raven super Bowl win or a
[25:26] Speaker 1: youth league title. You know, pick a pick a kid
[25:29] Speaker 1: like this year. I'm talking about this year. Yeah, either kid,
[25:34] Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't wanna name them necessarily,
[25:37] Speaker 1: but they each could be like, yeah, it could be
[25:38] Speaker 1: the basketball title. I don't know what sports they're playing, Soccer,
[25:42] Speaker 1: or I'll throw this one in another Lebron's Lebron James title.
[25:49] Speaker 1: And to be clear, this is not your youth league.
[25:52] Speaker 1: Now you are coaching though right now, right not actively this,
[25:56] Speaker 1: but you were coaching. Yeah, but I was coaching, okay,
[25:58] Speaker 1: and so would you rather like a Malcolm Youth League
[26:02] Speaker 1: title in that league or Ravens Super Bowl or Lebron.
[26:05] Speaker 2: I'll throw Lebron in.
[26:06] Speaker 3: There, honestly, because the team that won the title, they
[26:12] Speaker 3: beat us in the championship game this year. Some methods
[26:16] Speaker 3: I don't necessarily align with. Some attitudes I don't necessarily
[26:20] Speaker 3: align with. My team had fun. They they they loved
[26:25] Speaker 3: the game of basketball. They grew and learned together with
[26:28] Speaker 3: each other. And I would not trade that for a ring, Okay,
[26:32] Speaker 3: I would I'd trade it because again, a lot of
[26:37] Speaker 3: the affinity for the Baltimore Ravens is specifically based on.
[26:41] Speaker 2: This year I'm counting Lamar Lamar's yeah and.
[26:44] Speaker 4: Being right, which is a big thing for me.
[26:47] Speaker 3: Oh okay, so yeah, I would take the Baltimore Ravens.
[26:51] Speaker 1: I think that makes sense, honestly. Youth league titles, the
[26:55] Speaker 1: kids are fine, the kids are happy. Either way is
[26:57] Speaker 1: eight year old team right. When they get older, it
[27:01] Speaker 1: gets to be a little bit of a bigger deal.
[27:02] Speaker 1: But their kids, they're resilient. They win some, they lose them.
[27:06] Speaker 1: I was so much more crushed when the basketball team
[27:10] Speaker 1: I coached once lost soap badly in the championship that
[27:14] Speaker 1: they had to do the thing where you couldn't guard
[27:16] Speaker 1: them anymore outside of like inside of or outside of
[27:19] Speaker 1: fifteen feet. They just had to let them shoot because
[27:21] Speaker 1: we were losing like forty to nine, and I thought
[27:23] Speaker 1: they would be crushed.
[27:24] Speaker 2: They were fine.
[27:25] Speaker 4: They didn't care. You know. Yeah, youth league is like cared,
[27:28] Speaker 4: but not really.
[27:29] Speaker 3: Youth league is like those early relationships if it doesn't
[27:32] Speaker 3: work out. Yeah, that's a part of the learning process exactly.
[27:36] Speaker 3: You get the one that they really want, and you
[27:37] Speaker 3: focus on.
[27:38] Speaker 1: You probably get one eventually some in some sport. Anyways,
[27:41] Speaker 1: keep playing. I'll give you another question. Host or analysts.
[27:46] Speaker 1: Would you rather host the show or be in the
[27:49] Speaker 1: spot that I guess you're in here NFL Daily.
[27:55] Speaker 4: Caveat.
[27:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, I enjoy being employed and able to support family
[28:00] Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, California.
[28:01] Speaker 4: Whatever it goes.
[28:02] Speaker 1: Both is the pay of the bills.
[28:05] Speaker 3: But but I I do enjoy getting to answer things
[28:11] Speaker 3: that's okay as opposed to asking them just okay, you know,
[28:15] Speaker 3: because I'm verbose.
[28:16] Speaker 2: I like to talk, not compared to the rest of
[28:21] Speaker 2: NFL Daily, but not.
[28:22] Speaker 4: On this show.
[28:23] Speaker 3: Like like when it when it comes to TV, there's
[28:26] Speaker 3: there's some times where it's like, oh, NFL Network insider
[28:29] Speaker 3: Ian Rappaport joining us now to tell us more about
[28:31] Speaker 3: this circumstance. Ian, we just found out about this, tell
[28:36] Speaker 3: us more. I know all the things that Ian's about
[28:39] Speaker 3: to set. Yeah, I could just say that, but there's
[28:41] Speaker 3: the like like here, let's do this presentation in a
[28:46] Speaker 3: format that pays the bills.
[28:48] Speaker 4: Uh, so we do it that.
[28:49] Speaker 1: You could also do that, but in this format I
[28:52] Speaker 1: want I want you to start, you know, hosting NFL
[28:54] Speaker 1: Daily when I'm not here, and then maybe you could
[28:56] Speaker 1: play in my style, which is a little more like
[28:59] Speaker 1: Jalen br Hunt and playing point guards like you like, Yeah,
[29:02] Speaker 1: I guess he's the point guard. But he's gonna get
[29:05] Speaker 1: his shots up.
[29:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's for sure. Do what great put on this
[29:09] Speaker 4: arf to do?
[29:09] Speaker 2: Absolutely what a comp I'm giving myself the edits.
[29:11] Speaker 4: The edits have been great on Brunson.
[29:13] Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, he really is incredible. They might
[29:17] Speaker 1: just do it all right, your next give me a.
[29:19] Speaker 3: Would you rather greg? Two unbeaten teams no common schedules.
[29:25] Speaker 3: One in the AFC, for example, the Cincinnati Bengals don't
[29:27] Speaker 3: play the Dallas Cowboys. The AFC and the NFC make
[29:31] Speaker 3: their respective championship games as an undefeated teams and both lose.
[29:39] Speaker 1: Okay, or two undefeated teams losing the championship game.
[29:43] Speaker 3: In the AFC and in the championship game, it's it's
[29:45] Speaker 3: very disappointing. We missed the game of the millennium. Or
[29:49] Speaker 3: Riley Leonard goes on what can only be described as
[29:52] Speaker 3: a insanity run. It's dimes two point zero at the
[29:55] Speaker 3: start of the season except full Balco labs. He has
[29:58] Speaker 3: four games over the course of the season with a
[30:00] Speaker 3: perfect passer rating, maybe threatening the league's first ever six
[30:04] Speaker 3: thousand yard passing season, but prior to the team's week
[30:07] Speaker 3: seventeen game in Cleveland, a one hundred year storm coming
[30:10] Speaker 3: off of Lake Erie renders football impossible, not just to see,
[30:14] Speaker 3: but to play. The game endto zero zero time in overtime,
[30:18] Speaker 3: and Leonard finishes with negative twenty six passing yards that
[30:21] Speaker 3: ultimately leave him to finish the season and fifty passing
[30:25] Speaker 3: yards twenty seven short of Peyton manner ah single season record.
[30:29] Speaker 3: Would you rather have an all time team matchup ruin
[30:32] Speaker 3: or an all time single season record be ruined by weather?
[30:35] Speaker 1: Briley Leonard, for sure. I mean, all of that is delightful.
[30:39] Speaker 1: And I don't know the young man, but that story
[30:43] Speaker 1: is so good all the way through that.
[30:47] Speaker 2: He'll live.
[30:48] Speaker 1: He'll be remembered more for not getting that record and
[30:52] Speaker 1: having it taken away by the one hundred year storm
[30:55] Speaker 1: and that game. As a viewer, I know you say
[30:57] Speaker 1: like you're not big being a weather game. Miserable, Greg,
[31:00] Speaker 1: I think there is a moment where the weather gets
[31:03] Speaker 1: so bad that it's entertaining in something you remember, what
[31:09] Speaker 1: do you mean you you would be barely able to
[31:11] Speaker 1: see zero zero? Well, first of all, this is a
[31:13] Speaker 1: regular season game. He played so well in his insanity run.
[31:17] Speaker 1: I assume he's going to the playoffs. Yeah, maybe he's
[31:19] Speaker 1: even one.
[31:20] Speaker 3: Of those he clipsing the Kurt Warner. Who is this
[31:23] Speaker 3: guy season?
[31:24] Speaker 2: What's a? What's a?
[31:25] Speaker 5: No?
[31:25] Speaker 1: One cares about the passing yard record that that is
[31:28] Speaker 1: helping to inform it plus it, you know, seventeen games
[31:30] Speaker 1: or sixteen, I don't know if that's a factor here.
[31:34] Speaker 1: He's gonna be remembered for that anyways, and the rest
[31:37] Speaker 1: of it is great, Although the one knit I would
[31:40] Speaker 1: have to pick is you said it's like dimes two
[31:42] Speaker 1: point zero. But on Balco Labs mode, I don't know
[31:46] Speaker 1: if you saw the enhanced games or heard about them
[31:49] Speaker 1: over the weekend the the Olympics where they got to
[31:52] Speaker 1: use it didn't help to enhance Balco.
[31:55] Speaker 2: Maybe just not that big of a deal.
[31:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't necessarily put Peter Thiel's assemblage of horrors
[32:03] Speaker 3: on par with San Francis.
[32:05] Speaker 2: I did not know he was involved with that, Yeah,
[32:07] Speaker 2: did not. Yeah.
[32:10] Speaker 1: Honestly, the two unbeaten teams in the AFC NFC losing
[32:15] Speaker 1: in the championship games I think would be great. I'm
[32:18] Speaker 1: not saying that's what I would be going into the
[32:20] Speaker 1: weekend rooting for. But maybe I'm a contrarian enough and
[32:25] Speaker 1: just like hey sports, it's unpredictable. That would be maybe
[32:29] Speaker 1: as epic a championship game weekend as we've ever had.
[32:32] Speaker 1: You come into it thinking we're gonna get this matchup. Instead,
[32:34] Speaker 1: they both go down and it'd be a great day.
[32:37] Speaker 1: It'd be a great day. Wow, great day of football.
[32:41] Speaker 1: That's all I'm looking for at this point, I'm going
[32:43] Speaker 1: to give you a simple one. I should have gotten
[32:48] Speaker 1: more complicated like you did. You can take either Travis
[32:55] Speaker 1: Hunter moving forward, considering age, contract, everything, he's on your team, or.
[33:03] Speaker 2: You can take Cooper Degene moving forward.
[33:08] Speaker 1: Now, obviously Cooper de Gene you've seen two years out
[33:11] Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, so you feel even better, I would
[33:14] Speaker 1: think than you did as a rookie when he was great.
[33:16] Speaker 2: Which player would you rather have moving forward? Cooper Degene
[33:18] Speaker 2: or Travis Hunter.
[33:19] Speaker 4: I would rather have the cornerback.
[33:21] Speaker 3: And I'm not even I don't even consider the possibility
[33:25] Speaker 3: of taking Travis Hunter as anything else. Purely playing out
[33:31] Speaker 3: wide at cornerback, I think he can be all.
[33:35] Speaker 2: Pro Oh I thought you. I thought you were going
[33:37] Speaker 2: to Cooper Degene. There he played a lot of cornerbacks.
[33:39] Speaker 3: He did play a lot of corner and again go
[33:41] Speaker 3: back to the pre Cooper Degene is not a safety.
[33:43] Speaker 3: I'm not saying yeah, just saying cornerback Travis Hunter, Okay,
[33:49] Speaker 3: just playing, just playing cornerback, like not trying to have
[33:52] Speaker 3: him go in there and burn himself to death doing
[33:55] Speaker 3: all this safe off to play to play wide receiver,
[33:57] Speaker 3: purely playing.
[33:58] Speaker 1: In this In this scenario, you do have control of
[34:02] Speaker 1: how he's going to be used. So that's that's an
[34:04] Speaker 1: important case.
[34:06] Speaker 4: Think.
[34:06] Speaker 2: I think I agree with you.
[34:09] Speaker 1: I'm leaving open the possibility to use him a little
[34:12] Speaker 1: bit at receiver here and there, kind of like Dion's style,
[34:14] Speaker 1: or it's just like for fun, yeah eventually, because I
[34:18] Speaker 1: mean Dion was pretty useful. He made some big plays
[34:21] Speaker 1: as a receiver, but ultimately he was like a fourth,
[34:24] Speaker 1: fourth receiver.
[34:26] Speaker 2: It's it's a.
[34:26] Speaker 1: Tough one though, in general, in the NFL, it's such
[34:29] Speaker 1: a brutal sport, so hard to predict. In general, I
[34:34] Speaker 1: will take the bird in the hand, and Cooper de
[34:38] Speaker 1: Jean's bird in the hand is very possibly like a
[34:44] Speaker 1: multi time All Pro player, And that's tough. It's tough
[34:47] Speaker 1: when I feel like, man, I've seen enough to feel
[34:50] Speaker 1: like he actually has a chance.
[34:53] Speaker 2: It's way too early.
[34:54] Speaker 1: He has a chance to be one of the best
[34:56] Speaker 1: players at his position in his era, and you know
[35:00] Speaker 1: where that leads.
[35:00] Speaker 2: And so that it's tough when Travis Hunter hasn't shown it.
[35:03] Speaker 1: And I was as high as Travis Hunder as anyone,
[35:05] Speaker 1: and yet I do think I want the mystery box
[35:07] Speaker 1: that is Travis under Yeah.
[35:08] Speaker 4: This is two very very good players right now.
[35:10] Speaker 1: So I thought it was a good I thought it
[35:12] Speaker 1: was a good one. Yeah, you want it to be
[35:14] Speaker 1: even But Bona had one that was, would you rather
[35:23] Speaker 1: have Matt Ryan win the twenty sixteen Super Bowl after
[35:30] Speaker 1: that season? Or Cam Newton win the twenty fifteen Super Bowl?
[35:34] Speaker 1: And I thought, Chris, why would I not want the
[35:39] Speaker 1: Patriots to complete the greatest comeback in the history of
[35:41] Speaker 1: Super Bowl?
[35:42] Speaker 2: You know, well, why would I not want that? You
[35:44] Speaker 2: know the answer?
[35:44] Speaker 1: Maybe that's more for me that's unfortunate, but he explained,
[35:49] Speaker 1: it's more which quarterback would you rather see kind of
[35:52] Speaker 1: have that ring for legacy purposes? That it's unfair that
[35:55] Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is kind of unfairly not happen for
[35:59] Speaker 1: those two or tarnished them.
[36:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not even thinking about the quarterbacks in
[36:04] Speaker 3: that scenario. Julio Jones got four targets in that Super Bowl.
[36:07] Speaker 3: He caught them all, four of them, in my estimation,
[36:10] Speaker 3: the greatest catch, the best catch, the most difficult catch
[36:14] Speaker 3: in Super Bowl history, and it's just kind of lost
[36:16] Speaker 3: and he doesn't get that cherry on top of his
[36:19] Speaker 3: career where.
[36:22] Speaker 4: They should have won that game.
[36:24] Speaker 2: So you're going to choose Falcons.
[36:25] Speaker 4: Yeah, they did.
[36:27] Speaker 3: You know, Julio chose literally everything he could possibly do
[36:31] Speaker 3: in this you know, team game and it just all
[36:33] Speaker 3: fell apart.
[36:35] Speaker 1: Well, that shows it was an underrated question because I'm surprised.
[36:38] Speaker 1: I thought, just as a big Cam Newton fan, Uh,
[36:40] Speaker 1: it would have been really incredible. I mean to imagine
[36:44] Speaker 1: him as such a unique athlete in our sports history
[36:49] Speaker 1: in that he had one of the most memorable college
[36:51] Speaker 1: seasons in dominant and one of the most memorable and
[36:54] Speaker 1: dominant professional seasons. And even if you know, he didn't
[36:58] Speaker 1: have the longevity and the amount of big seasons as
[37:00] Speaker 1: other quarterbacks had, that would have been cool for him
[37:03] Speaker 1: to beat that no fly zone Broncos.
[37:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish, you know, they had a little bit
[37:09] Speaker 3: more on offense on that Panthers team, including up front.
[37:13] Speaker 1: Okay, I would at this point like to get Chris
[37:16] Speaker 1: on the mic to defend because I kind of went
[37:19] Speaker 1: after him a little bit on text, and I feel
[37:22] Speaker 1: bad about it.
[37:23] Speaker 4: Chris my pleasure.
[37:24] Speaker 6: No, I feel like, especially with Cam Newton, you think
[37:27] Speaker 6: about how that dragged him, and he was dragged weided
[37:31] Speaker 6: on his legacy in the media cycle post Super Bowl.
[37:34] Speaker 6: For him to win that game, what would it mean
[37:36] Speaker 6: for like his psyche And I know that he had
[37:38] Speaker 6: the shoulder injury too, but like, where does Cam Newton's
[37:41] Speaker 6: career go? And then I think with Matt Ryan, you're
[37:43] Speaker 6: more thinking if he gets a ring. It's more of
[37:46] Speaker 6: like when does he become a Hall of Famer. I
[37:48] Speaker 6: think that happens expeditiously if he wins that sixteen Super Bowl.
[37:53] Speaker 1: I think Matt Ryan is properly respected and rated. I
[37:56] Speaker 1: think people think of him as one of the best
[37:58] Speaker 1: quarterbacks of his era, but certainly not like in the
[38:00] Speaker 1: top three or four. And then he did get to
[38:02] Speaker 1: have that MVP season similar to Cam Newton, where they
[38:04] Speaker 1: had that one season that popped up and people kind
[38:07] Speaker 1: of forget Cam Newton you know, still had a couple
[38:11] Speaker 1: of really good seasons, a great season a couple of
[38:13] Speaker 1: years later after that happened.
[38:16] Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that would have been cool. I
[38:17] Speaker 2: would have gotten and also I don't want my Patriots
[38:20] Speaker 2: to lose that game, and also.
[38:21] Speaker 3: The fumble situation and everything the criticism of that. Those
[38:25] Speaker 3: people would have been on Cam regardless, okay, of what
[38:28] Speaker 3: happened in that game, regardless of how it played out
[38:31] Speaker 3: or however they lost, those same people were going to
[38:34] Speaker 3: be saying the same things regardless this season.
[38:36] Speaker 1: And this is exactly related to the running back rankings
[38:40] Speaker 1: that we're going to be doing to wrap up the
[38:42] Speaker 1: week here. I think it's going to go up on
[38:44] Speaker 1: Friday morning. I thought this was tough. Jeremiah Love, It's
[38:48] Speaker 1: just this season, Okay, this season. Fantasy wise, Nope, real
[38:52] Speaker 1: life wise, not really because in this case, Jeremiah Love
[38:56] Speaker 1: is not on the Cardinals. There, He's on your imaginary team,
[38:58] Speaker 1: which has a better scheme an offensive line hopefully, Oh
[39:02] Speaker 1: just on any old it's on a generic team. Okay,
[39:06] Speaker 1: this season twenty twenty six, Jeremi, I love James Cook
[39:10] Speaker 1: or Saquon Barkley.
[39:12] Speaker 3: Would you rather on my hypothetical football team.
[39:19] Speaker 1: Who's better right now? Who would you have faith in?
[39:23] Speaker 4: James Cook?
[39:24] Speaker 1: Ooh that was the least likely answer. I thought, that's
[39:27] Speaker 1: why you ask.
[39:31] Speaker 3: Running, receiving, you know, cohesion in the blocking, and I'm
[39:38] Speaker 3: I'm going James Cook. There is the total package Jeremiah
[39:41] Speaker 3: could get there. It's one of those things where like
[39:43] Speaker 3: I need this, I've seen it, I've seen it from Jams. Yeah,
[39:46] Speaker 3: because I was at this point where there was a
[39:48] Speaker 3: question like, ah, this, you know, Dalvin versus James.
[39:52] Speaker 4: Where are we now That's not even a discussion anymore.
[39:55] Speaker 1: I'm struggling between those three when it comes to making
[39:57] Speaker 1: my ranking. So that's why I was kind of looking
[39:59] Speaker 1: for your help, Takuan. Just the second you doubt him,
[40:04] Speaker 1: I know it's a little boom or bust, but and
[40:06] Speaker 1: he didn't look at his best self.
[40:08] Speaker 2: Maybe pops back up. I'm leaning love, but kind of thinking.
[40:12] Speaker 1: That might be a little too little, too over My
[40:15] Speaker 1: skis all right, it's going to be televised at halftime
[40:21] Speaker 1: on Netflix Thanksgiving Day. It's gonna be a forty yard
[40:27] Speaker 1: dash between you Patrick.
[40:30] Speaker 2: Andreek Woolen.
[40:33] Speaker 1: Weird that they would think that that would be Oh,
[40:35] Speaker 1: I don't something people would be interesting. But you versus
[40:37] Speaker 1: Reek Woolen. Now they fly your family down there. Uh huh,
[40:43] Speaker 1: they pay for your rooms. Okay, they don't necessarily get
[40:49] Speaker 1: you Thanksgiving, but they'll probably be some sort of staff
[40:53] Speaker 1: meal you can get or maybe some leftover of the
[40:55] Speaker 1: craft service a steak or whatever. But it kind of
[40:58] Speaker 1: disrupts your Thanksgiving and there's a chance you would be humiliated.
[41:04] Speaker 1: Or you have to hit one of three free throws
[41:10] Speaker 1: at halftime of an NBA Finals game. If you hit
[41:15] Speaker 1: one of those free throws, you get three a lot
[41:19] Speaker 1: of pressure on you.
[41:20] Speaker 2: Though three feces.
[41:23] Speaker 1: You get a raise, you double your salary, multi year
[41:29] Speaker 1: security in terms of what would happen if you hit
[41:33] Speaker 1: one of the free throws, But if you miss all three,
[41:38] Speaker 1: you get slimed Nickelodeon style. You get to pay reduction
[41:46] Speaker 1: by fifty percent, and you have to pay your families
[41:49] Speaker 1: way home. They also did come with you to the
[41:51] Speaker 1: Christmas halftime. You have to pay your famili's way home.
[41:55] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm shooting the free throws. Oh you are, Yeah.
[41:58] Speaker 1: Fifty a lot though it's a lot of pressure. In
[42:03] Speaker 1: the other case, you're not losing any money.
[42:04] Speaker 2: No matter what.
[42:05] Speaker 4: But I'm also running for free, okay, okay.
[42:10] Speaker 3: And like I got a call one time because there
[42:12] Speaker 3: was a discussion about the fastest on air talent. Yeah,
[42:15] Speaker 3: I was actually getting a root canal and Jenkowsky calls
[42:18] Speaker 3: and was like, yeah, are you the fastest? And I'm
[42:20] Speaker 3: like yeah, it's like, would you like I'm not running
[42:23] Speaker 3: for free? Oh I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
[42:26] Speaker 2: Are you fast though? I mean you just had surgery?
[42:30] Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Greg, I would be willing to, okay,
[42:33] Speaker 3: to run and if somebody were willing to.
[42:34] Speaker 4: Compensate me for it, Well they're not. I'm not going
[42:37] Speaker 4: to do a hamstring for free.
[42:38] Speaker 2: They're paying you to go down there for Thanksgiving and stuff.
[42:41] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[42:41] Speaker 3: But if I mean even even involving the risk, and
[42:45] Speaker 3: I would love to be slimmed.
[42:46] Speaker 2: Okay.
[42:47] Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if the Paramount family is
[42:49] Speaker 4: interested in.
[42:50] Speaker 2: Partnering with What if I made it one free throw?
[42:53] Speaker 4: One?
[42:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to make the free throw.
[42:55] Speaker 1: I got to make it, and you I thought the
[42:57] Speaker 1: fifty pay reduction was was going to be enough to
[43:00] Speaker 1: you know that's that's a significant yep.
[43:02] Speaker 4: But I also you know risk reward there.
[43:04] Speaker 2: Okay, got it.
[43:06] Speaker 3: I feel confident feet good one pressure bust poet, a
[43:09] Speaker 3: good one by me or whatever, go ahead. Hell one
[43:14] Speaker 3: injury in NFL history, et style, Andrew lugs shoulder or
[43:19] Speaker 3: the hip of one Vincent bo Jackson.
[43:26] Speaker 1: Bo Jackson, Now I wasn't there for it in the
[43:30] Speaker 1: same way, but I was a kid that I was
[43:34] Speaker 1: like nine years old when he had that run against
[43:36] Speaker 1: the Seahawks or so, I believe that was eighty eight.
[43:38] Speaker 1: That was old enough to kind of enjoy that. That
[43:41] Speaker 1: felt more devastating. I appreciate the struggles that Andrew Luck
[43:47] Speaker 1: went through, so it's a tough choice, but ultimately I
[43:50] Speaker 1: think he also helped to make that choice. You know,
[43:53] Speaker 1: his body was telling him the answer, whereas bo Jackson
[43:55] Speaker 1: almost was given no choice.
[43:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, that sucks.
[43:58] Speaker 3: There's nothing to say that even if Andrew Luck solder
[44:02] Speaker 3: wasn't bothering him, if he just makes the decision on
[44:05] Speaker 3: after that, he was going to be done with football,
[44:09] Speaker 3: bo had a lot left to give to sports in general.
[44:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, he still does, so I'm with you there.
[44:16] Speaker 2: An NFL Daily guest too.
[44:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, although I love I love Andrew Luck as well
[44:20] Speaker 1: because he wants as a player, had his own book club,
[44:24] Speaker 1: which you would just send tweets about.
[44:26] Speaker 4: I was like, that's.
[44:26] Speaker 1: Great, we get an eighteen game season, or we stay
[44:33] Speaker 1: at seventeen. But they permanently play five days a week,
[44:37] Speaker 1: So Saturdays Fridays are getting into the mix, and we've
[44:44] Speaker 1: got like a primetime game on extra days, but we
[44:48] Speaker 1: don't have the eighteen game season.
[44:50] Speaker 2: Which would you.
[44:51] Speaker 3: Rather as a as a fan, I'd rather have the
[44:56] Speaker 3: eighteen game season. Me personally, I feel like, you know,
[45:01] Speaker 3: sorry to keep bringing up job security. Yeah, I think
[45:04] Speaker 3: seventeen games games, five days a week, Yeah, provides an opportunity.
[45:08] Speaker 4: That's more people to be employed.
[45:09] Speaker 2: What about the health of the players?
[45:11] Speaker 1: You're not I mean, it's no surprized by Patrick not
[45:14] Speaker 1: considering that.
[45:15] Speaker 3: No, people, I am considering that. But you know, these
[45:19] Speaker 3: are troubling times, Greg Rosenthal. You know it's already it's
[45:23] Speaker 3: already not safe.
[45:23] Speaker 1: Also the five days a week in that case, like
[45:26] Speaker 1: you are playing on less rest more often, and you
[45:29] Speaker 1: you're presumably getting an extra bye week with the eighteenth game.
[45:32] Speaker 1: So although the extra game probably is worse, you know,
[45:36] Speaker 1: there's mitigating factors there.
[45:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, and probably some roster expansion too, you know, much
[45:41] Speaker 3: to the chagrin because you know, they feel like they'd
[45:44] Speaker 3: probably be and I know, mister Craft kind of let
[45:46] Speaker 3: it slip that they be willing to have the second
[45:49] Speaker 3: by there early.
[45:52] Speaker 4: But I think that, you know, look.
[45:55] Speaker 2: At you going your craft.
[45:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, breakfast burrito or Alpa store burrito. I'll accept other candidates,
[46:06] Speaker 1: but to me, those are the obvious candidates.
[46:10] Speaker 3: I will go al Pastor And the thing is, I
[46:13] Speaker 3: will go there twenty four hours a day. I think
[46:15] Speaker 3: the note that you can't have certain things for breakfast
[46:17] Speaker 3: is preposterous. If it's good at one point thirty in
[46:20] Speaker 3: the afternoon, it's good all day.
[46:23] Speaker 1: And the Mexican places I like give you that option.
[46:27] Speaker 1: You can get the Alpha store at ten thirty in
[46:28] Speaker 1: the morning at Taco's Port Football.
[46:30] Speaker 3: But Bona suggests pasta as some sort of non applier here.
[46:34] Speaker 1: It doesn't even make sense. But obviously both they're still inferior.
[46:39] Speaker 1: To have pasto whenever. Oh yeah, sure, I bet not
[46:44] Speaker 1: not over the alpastore burrito.
[46:47] Speaker 4: You know.
[46:47] Speaker 1: Finding the perfect Alpa store brito, and there is no
[46:50] Speaker 1: such thing where taco in La is one of the
[46:52] Speaker 1: joys of living here.
[46:53] Speaker 4: I will I will do a lot. I can to
[46:55] Speaker 4: find it.
[46:57] Speaker 3: All right, you would you rather regrect officials never miss
[47:00] Speaker 3: a defensive pass interference call, or officials never mint, never
[47:05] Speaker 3: miss an offensive holding call on the edge.
[47:07] Speaker 4: Specifically.
[47:10] Speaker 1: Whow never miss never miss. Well, I think it's clearly
[47:15] Speaker 1: PI holding I can live with. I mean, I'm not
[47:21] Speaker 1: you know, it would be great if at all calls
[47:23] Speaker 1: were perfect, that you can only pick one. I wonder
[47:26] Speaker 1: what it would do to this sport if they could call,
[47:29] Speaker 1: by the letter of the law, call every hole to hold.
[47:33] Speaker 2: That actually might be negative.
[47:34] Speaker 1: I mean it would change I think how tackles have
[47:37] Speaker 1: to play. It really might help out the edges quite
[47:40] Speaker 1: a bit in a way that we don't like.
[47:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the thing.
[47:43] Speaker 3: The letter of the law includes so much gray that
[47:45] Speaker 3: it would be impossible. They'd have to actually get the rules,
[47:50] Speaker 3: you know, in a certain way where that could apply.
[47:53] Speaker 3: But I'm just assuming in this hypothetical, like you're watching
[47:56] Speaker 3: the game and you never disagree with one of the calls.
[48:00] Speaker 1: I think we did it. I think that's it. We
[48:04] Speaker 1: decided what we would rather. But Bona had another one
[48:07] Speaker 1: that was your favorite team wins a super Bowl or
[48:10] Speaker 1: your rival never wins a super Bowl again. And to me,
[48:13] Speaker 1: the fact that even asked that question tells me something
[48:16] Speaker 1: about our friend.
[48:17] Speaker 4: Chris got a little hate in his heart.
[48:19] Speaker 2: I mean, who.
[48:19] Speaker 1: Would possibly choose the rival He hates the San Francisco
[48:25] Speaker 1: Giants that much that.
[48:27] Speaker 4: It's taking the ball and going home like tw winning stream.
[48:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a Dodgers fan question if I ever
[48:32] Speaker 1: saw one. I mean, who would not want just their
[48:36] Speaker 1: team to win?
[48:36] Speaker 2: That's insane.
[48:38] Speaker 1: I know it says never, but still I don't have
[48:40] Speaker 1: that much hate in my heart. We got a lot
[48:41] Speaker 1: of love for Patrick and Eric Roberts and Chris who
[48:45] Speaker 1: helped put this show together.
[48:46] Speaker 4: Thanks buddy, Thank you.
[48:48] Speaker 1: Patrick will be back next week, but we're not done
[48:50] Speaker 1: this week. We are going to be back on Thursday
[48:52] Speaker 1: with a quick news update with Nick Schuok.
[48:56] Speaker 2: Let's hit that music.
[48:58] Speaker 1: As long as the fine people of Cleveland do not
[49:01] Speaker 1: call him to jury duty. So far, he's been like
[49:04] Speaker 1: on call all week and haven't called him, so don't
[49:06] Speaker 1: do it. We need him for Thursday on NFL Daily.
[49:09] Speaker 1: And yes, we'll have our running back ranks later in
[49:13] Speaker 1: the week.
[49:15] Speaker 2: I can't wait to see you then,

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