# 16 Things We Learned: Aaron Rodgers Returns, Saints Priorities and Boutte in A.J. Brown Trade?

An episode of [NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/680904259), 18 May 2026, 40 min.

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Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook get you caught up on everything from around the NFL with 16 things they've learned since the last NFL Daily. Gregg and Nick cover the return of Aaron Rodgers and discuss what it means for the other three quarterbacks in the Steelers QB room, whether or not Kayshon Boutte could be a piece in a Patriots trade for A.J. Brown, the state of the Buccaneers running backs room, Alvin Kamara's future with the Saints, the QB1 spot for the Browns, Nashville hosting a Super Bowl and more! NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:04] Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're kind of sort of
[0:07] Speaker 1: thinking football is a little back. There's eight teams practicing
[0:12] Speaker 1: on a football field on Monday, OTAs starting a couple
[0:16] Speaker 1: more teams starting later in this week, and you know
[0:21] Speaker 1: the week is back when we're finding out things we learned.
[0:24] Speaker 1: We got sixteen things we learned this week, Shook. That's
[0:27] Speaker 1: actually a few less things than last weekend when we
[0:29] Speaker 1: did this Monday show.
[0:30] Speaker 2: Nobody is better at finding things we learned at this
[0:34] Speaker 2: time of year than you, the SIKO himself, Greg Rosenthal.
[0:37] Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I know you were busy celebrating the
[0:40] Speaker 1: Calves Game seven victory, but I'm out here in the streets.
[0:44] Speaker 1: And yeah, we got a lot of responses last week
[0:47] Speaker 1: that people like these offseason shows. Most people they kind
[0:49] Speaker 1: of want to tune out for football. So it's just
[0:51] Speaker 1: going to be a quick and dirty way to kind
[0:53] Speaker 1: of get up to speed on what's going on in
[0:55] Speaker 1: the NFL. We might do another show just like this
[0:58] Speaker 1: later this week, me and you, Shooky. But we had
[1:01] Speaker 1: some big news over the weekend. Not a surprise that
[1:04] Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is back with the Steelers, but he officially
[1:08] Speaker 1: signed with Pittsburgh in advance of their first OTA, so
[1:13] Speaker 1: the timing of it not a coincidence. There he is
[1:15] Speaker 1: on the field taking first team reps. More on that
[1:18] Speaker 1: in a second. I thought the finances were interesting. He
[1:21] Speaker 1: does get a pretty significant raise over what he had
[1:24] Speaker 1: last year. The base salaries about twenty two twenty three
[1:27] Speaker 1: million dollars. Incentives can go up to twenty five million dollars.
[1:33] Speaker 1: We have reached the end of the Aaron Rodgers Willier
[1:37] Speaker 1: won'ty section of the offseason. And that's again another reason
[1:40] Speaker 1: why you can indicate football is back.
[1:43] Speaker 2: This is what I now like to refer to as
[1:46] Speaker 2: our great long national perennial nightmare is over. Finally we
[1:51] Speaker 2: can stop spending weeks months asking Steelers ownership and you
[1:56] Speaker 2: know general manager Omar Khan and now Mike McCarthy the
[1:59] Speaker 2: new coach. Is Aaron Rodgers going to be there? What's
[2:02] Speaker 2: the timeline? Look like? We can stop filling some time
[2:05] Speaker 2: with is he gonna come back and play football? Or
[2:08] Speaker 2: is he done? It always felt like this was the case.
[2:10] Speaker 2: This is how they always planned it. They kind of
[2:12] Speaker 2: hedged against it a little bit by drafting Drew Aller,
[2:14] Speaker 2: which kind of creates a long gym now that Aaron
[2:16] Speaker 2: Rodgers is there that I'm sure we're going to get into.
[2:18] Speaker 2: But ultimately we get the solution that we needed so
[2:20] Speaker 2: that we could all move forward. I wouldn't call it closure.
[2:23] Speaker 2: I would say we finally checked the box. We buckled
[2:25] Speaker 2: our seatbelt. Now let's drive down the road already.
[2:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's a bad idea. I thought
[2:30] Speaker 1: it was a bad idea last year. He was a
[2:33] Speaker 1: little better a year ago than I expected. And that's
[2:36] Speaker 1: why I thought it was a bad idea, because even
[2:39] Speaker 1: though he was a little better, he was so limited.
[2:42] Speaker 1: Some stats for you shook and Steelers fans and especially
[2:46] Speaker 1: the guys who seemed to be closer to Rogers and
[2:48] Speaker 1: the Steelers media keep making the case that he's like
[2:51] Speaker 1: an average starting quarterbacker better, that he did a lot
[2:54] Speaker 1: of good things for them last year, and I'm like,
[2:57] Speaker 1: he just didn't want his career to end with a
[2:58] Speaker 1: pick six against the Texans. Here are some of his stats.
[3:01] Speaker 1: Thirty third in the league in average depth of target,
[3:03] Speaker 1: so just a limited menu of how he's going to
[3:06] Speaker 1: throw the ball, twenty third in the league in EPA
[3:08] Speaker 1: per play, twenty sixth in success rate, here's the one
[3:13] Speaker 1: that really stuck out to me. This was from Ben
[3:14] Speaker 1: Solac When pressured, his off target rate was the fourth
[3:20] Speaker 1: worst of any quarterback in any season in five years.
[3:25] Speaker 1: And those were the numbers that I really went to
[3:28] Speaker 1: when pressured. His EPA per play any other stat success
[3:31] Speaker 1: rate was down there with Flacco and cam Ward as
[3:35] Speaker 1: the worst two quarterbacks in the league. So do you
[3:38] Speaker 1: think ultimately that the Steelers are making a mistake by
[3:42] Speaker 1: making this their off season plan.
[3:45] Speaker 2: No, and it's because they backed themselves into this corner
[3:49] Speaker 2: and this was their only option. I thought that they
[3:52] Speaker 2: should have made a push for Malik Willis that obviously
[3:54] Speaker 2: didn't pan out. I thought that would be a better
[3:55] Speaker 2: long term play for them than going back to Aaron Rodgers.
[3:58] Speaker 2: But it felt like this was always going to be
[3:59] Speaker 2: what they were going to do. You and I understand
[4:02] Speaker 2: Kyler was out there. I don't think that there was
[4:05] Speaker 2: a real shot at that either. I think that the
[4:07] Speaker 2: Kyler Kevin O'Connell connection, that he was on a one
[4:10] Speaker 2: way track to Minnesota that happened really quickly too. I
[4:14] Speaker 2: understand why Steelers fans and maybe some of the beat
[4:17] Speaker 2: think that he was an average quarterback because their frame
[4:19] Speaker 2: of reference is not great. They had to deal with
[4:21] Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett, they had to deal with the Russell Wilson
[4:23] Speaker 2: and Justin Fields experience, and Rogers was better than all
[4:26] Speaker 2: of those guys, and he played well enough for me
[4:29] Speaker 2: to think he could probably do it one more time.
[4:31] Speaker 2: It's not that he's elevating them to some new level though,
[4:34] Speaker 2: He's just bringing them up to competence offensively. And the
[4:37] Speaker 2: bar was very low. So I understand why they looked
[4:39] Speaker 2: at this market. They looked at this draft class and
[4:42] Speaker 2: they thought, all right, well, let's run it back with
[4:43] Speaker 2: him one more year if there's mutual interest. Plus you
[4:45] Speaker 2: have the history with Mike McCarthy. Do I think it's
[4:47] Speaker 2: actually going to produce anything better than what they got
[4:48] Speaker 2: last year? No, I don't, and it's because of what
[4:50] Speaker 2: you just explained. You talk about how bad he was
[4:54] Speaker 2: when he was pressured. He never was pressured though, and
[4:57] Speaker 2: when he was pressured, it was only because there was
[4:59] Speaker 2: nobody open. He was doing the get the ball out
[5:02] Speaker 2: in like two point three seconds consistently. I was just
[5:04] Speaker 2: actually pulling up the next ten in stats because I
[5:06] Speaker 2: wanted to see time to throw. And I know he
[5:08] Speaker 2: was near the top of the league when he came
[5:11] Speaker 2: to shortest time to throw, and it's because that was
[5:13] Speaker 2: the way their entire offense was designed, which I think
[5:16] Speaker 2: if you look at last season, you probably feel, well,
[5:18] Speaker 2: they kind of underutilized DK Metcalfs save for that game
[5:21] Speaker 2: in Dublin, and that's because they never gave him time
[5:23] Speaker 2: to get down the field really unless it was third
[5:25] Speaker 2: and long, and they had to because they were such
[5:27] Speaker 2: a quick, get the ball out offense because they knew
[5:29] Speaker 2: he was limited in how he was able to navigate
[5:31] Speaker 2: the pocket like he used to do with the Packers.
[5:33] Speaker 2: So again, lower ceiling. But I understand given the circumstances
[5:37] Speaker 2: around this, why they do it. I just don't think
[5:39] Speaker 2: it's going to be any better than it was last year.
[5:41] Speaker 1: Here's the case for it. Obviously, he'd have to just
[5:43] Speaker 1: play better at what forty three years old, which is
[5:46] Speaker 1: hard to do. The offensive line could be pretty promising.
[5:51] Speaker 1: It's a young, improving offensive line. Max Ianachor might be
[5:55] Speaker 1: stepping in there at one of the tackle spots. You
[5:58] Speaker 1: have Fautanu Frasier in the middle. It's intriguing. Michael Pittman
[6:04] Speaker 1: is now your wide receiver two. That is a huge
[6:07] Speaker 1: upgrade on Calvin Austin or whoever they were throwing out
[6:11] Speaker 1: there last year. Jeremy Bernard. It's a rookie from Alabama
[6:15] Speaker 1: that you never know, but at least in terms of
[6:17] Speaker 1: his draft profile and what he does, seems like a
[6:20] Speaker 1: pretty good fit with the Aaron Rodgers, like a reliable,
[6:23] Speaker 1: going to be in the right spot, player that you
[6:27] Speaker 1: can throw to over the middle. So the other argument
[6:30] Speaker 1: would be the defense is just better, which kind of
[6:33] Speaker 1: gets me at my point about the Steelers, like I
[6:36] Speaker 1: almost see the win now vision. They just need a quarterback.
[6:39] Speaker 1: Like when Mike McCarthy was hired, I think he sold
[6:43] Speaker 1: them on like we can win with this team, and
[6:45] Speaker 1: if they actually, let's say, you put Jordan Love on
[6:49] Speaker 1: this team, just while I'm thinking of former Rogers teammates,
[6:52] Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I could see that team making some
[6:55] Speaker 1: real noise, and the defense could be better and Mike
[6:59] Speaker 1: McCarthy could be a better offensive coach to help get
[7:02] Speaker 1: the most out of Aaron Rodgers. It's just wild to
[7:04] Speaker 1: me that it's twenty twenty six and we're doing Mike
[7:07] Speaker 1: McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers again, and the only man quoted
[7:12] Speaker 1: in the Pittsburgh press release about this was not Mike McCarthy,
[7:16] Speaker 1: was not Aaron Rodgers. It was a man by the
[7:18] Speaker 1: name of Tom Arth. Be familiar with Tom Arth.
[7:21] Speaker 2: I am very familiar with Tom Arthy. Tom Arth went
[7:24] Speaker 2: to Cleveland State, Nation's high school, played football at John
[7:26] Speaker 2: Carroll University, which is in University Heights, just outside of Cleveland,
[7:30] Speaker 2: and was the head coach of the University of Akron
[7:32] Speaker 2: for three years before he went to the NFL.
[7:34] Speaker 1: He was once on the roster with Aaron Rodgers, which
[7:38] Speaker 1: I don't remember. He was like the f I don't
[7:39] Speaker 1: remember that either, or I think he was in a
[7:42] Speaker 1: training camp or something like that. And so a former teammate,
[7:46] Speaker 1: we should have known this. You know, a former teammate
[7:48] Speaker 1: of Aaron Rodgers who I don't even think made the Packers.
[7:51] Speaker 1: He was like a practice squad or got cut type
[7:53] Speaker 1: of guy back with McCarthy. And that is the guy
[7:56] Speaker 1: who's given quotes about how great Rogers is going to be.
[7:59] Speaker 1: And yeah, I think they have a chance to be
[8:01] Speaker 1: competitive because I think if Rogers just plays about at
[8:04] Speaker 1: the level that he was a year ago, the defense
[8:06] Speaker 1: has a chance to be better. And I do think
[8:08] Speaker 1: McCarthy is actually an upgrade on Arthur Smith. So we'll
[8:12] Speaker 1: see someone's gonna be the odd man out. Though you
[8:14] Speaker 1: mentioned the quarterback situation, Will Howard was taking QB two reps.
[8:19] Speaker 1: This is how I know football's back. They were telling
[8:22] Speaker 1: me the order of the reps at Monday's otis. I
[8:25] Speaker 1: don't put anything into that, but Will Howard was two
[8:28] Speaker 1: and Mason Rudolph was three, and then Drew Aller of
[8:32] Speaker 1: the rookie was four.
[8:33] Speaker 2: Wow.
[8:34] Speaker 1: So actually that kind of maybe tells me a little
[8:36] Speaker 1: bit of something that Mason Rudolph is not long for
[8:40] Speaker 1: this roster. I just feel like he's probably the odd
[8:42] Speaker 1: man out.
[8:43] Speaker 2: I think it depends on who you talk to who
[8:45] Speaker 2: follows the Steelers closely, because there's I think a split
[8:48] Speaker 2: in that group right now between Will Howard and Mason Rudolph.
[8:51] Speaker 2: Because you think about if it's a win now approach,
[8:54] Speaker 2: then you won a veteran like Mason Rudolf behind Aaron
[8:57] Speaker 2: Rodgers in case of emergency. You don't want to have to
[8:59] Speaker 2: lean on a sixth round pick who didn't see the
[9:01] Speaker 2: field last year or a rookie third round pick as
[9:03] Speaker 2: your backups to Aaron Rodgers. But I also believe that
[9:07] Speaker 2: the Steelers are also looking at this in the longer
[9:09] Speaker 2: term picture because they have their stop gap at quarterback
[9:12] Speaker 2: in Rodgers. They understand this is the best that they
[9:14] Speaker 2: could do. But they talked very highly about Will Howard
[9:17] Speaker 2: and they really pumped him up, and I didn't buy it,
[9:19] Speaker 2: and drafting Drew Aler tells me that maybe it was
[9:22] Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of smoke. But I think
[9:25] Speaker 2: that when they look at their franchise planning, they would
[9:27] Speaker 2: like to have both of those options to develop, especially
[9:30] Speaker 2: under McCarthy, as opposed to keeping Mason Rudolph. So as
[9:33] Speaker 2: it stands right now, if I had to lean in
[9:35] Speaker 2: one direction, I would say they're going to try to
[9:37] Speaker 2: find a trade partner for Mason Rudolph at one point
[9:40] Speaker 2: this summer, unless Will Howard is just terrible in camp
[9:43] Speaker 2: because Aler's not going anywhere. By the way, Also, I
[9:45] Speaker 2: looked it up real quick. Rogers last year time to
[9:48] Speaker 2: throw the fastest of any quarterback with two hundred and
[9:51] Speaker 2: more dropbacks two point five nine seconds. That was their
[9:54] Speaker 2: shortened offense right there. So maybe with the improved offensive
[9:57] Speaker 2: line they could be a little bit longer. But I
[9:58] Speaker 2: think they're still limited.
[10:00] Speaker 1: And the reason why his numbers were so bad when pressured,
[10:03] Speaker 1: because for the most part, he just wasn't even trying
[10:05] Speaker 1: just throwing them all away. I mean, he would kind
[10:07] Speaker 1: of throw it somewhat near someone occasionally, and there were
[10:11] Speaker 1: times when he would try to make plays, and that
[10:14] Speaker 1: was where he kind of had the oh, I'm older,
[10:19] Speaker 1: and then he kind of just stopped even trying. And
[10:22] Speaker 1: so there's a route to this team being competitive and
[10:26] Speaker 1: being interesting. It's it's just a smaller route than you want.
[10:30] Speaker 1: Mason Rudolfs to about three million dollars this year. I
[10:33] Speaker 1: could see them putting him on the practice squad and
[10:37] Speaker 1: seeing if anyone doesn't take them, and then they can
[10:39] Speaker 1: just keep four quarterbacks that way. It wouldn't surprise me,
[10:43] Speaker 1: all right. So that was our second point, just that
[10:44] Speaker 1: someone would be the odd man out. That's one thing
[10:47] Speaker 1: we learned. And I kind of mentioned our first point
[10:50] Speaker 1: at top. It was just a larger global league point
[10:53] Speaker 1: for people wondering where we are in the schedule. Like
[10:56] Speaker 1: I mentioned, ten teams doing OTAs this week. Eight are
[10:58] Speaker 1: starting on Monday. We're gonna have some more action. I
[11:01] Speaker 1: have some more quotes. Basically the next five weeks is
[11:05] Speaker 1: OTA season. Almost all the teams will be back by
[11:09] Speaker 1: next week, and so that that's just where we're at.
[11:12] Speaker 1: And I just wanted to get your thoughts of the
[11:14] Speaker 1: fact that Kid Cuddy is at the Bengals OTAs today,
[11:18] Speaker 1: God of all days to show up first day of
[11:21] Speaker 1: OTA's Kid Cutty. I don't know why. Maybe he's a
[11:23] Speaker 1: Kid Cuddy.
[11:23] Speaker 2: He's notably a Shaker Heights resident or not resident, but
[11:27] Speaker 2: a native. That's a neighborhood just outside of Cleveland, a
[11:30] Speaker 2: very diverse neighborhood. He's proud of that. He talks about
[11:33] Speaker 2: the land all the time. And then he decides to
[11:35] Speaker 2: go to Bengals Ota in a Bengals jersey, which makes
[11:37] Speaker 2: no sense. So I looked up his tour, thinking, well,
[11:39] Speaker 2: maybe he's playing a show in Cincinnati. It's crossed from sure.
[11:42] Speaker 2: Now his next show is in Saint Louis tomorrow. This
[11:46] Speaker 2: makes no sense. I don't know why he's.
[11:48] Speaker 1: There, and he's wearing an eighty four jersey. Yeah, okay,
[11:55] Speaker 1: eighty four.
[11:56] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[11:57] Speaker 1: I can't even recognize guys the name on the back.
[12:01] Speaker 1: It makes no sense to me. I should have done
[12:03] Speaker 1: a little more research. There, but eighty four, I don't know.
[12:07] Speaker 2: Eighty four as Jack injuries tight end from Texas a rookie.
[12:11] Speaker 1: Oh you know, Oh it's Huschman Zada of course.
[12:13] Speaker 2: Okay, it's a new Hushman's addres. They didn't wear that
[12:15] Speaker 2: style of Jers.
[12:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an old school Housh jersey. So we're back
[12:20] Speaker 1: and like I mentioned, the Steelers are practicing our fourth
[12:25] Speaker 1: nugget that we learned just with that Broderick Jones who's
[12:27] Speaker 1: had these neck back injuries that could potentially sideline him
[12:32] Speaker 1: going into the season. He's not doing everything at their OTAs,
[12:35] Speaker 1: but he's out there doing little warm ups and moving around.
[12:38] Speaker 1: So that's a good sign for Broderick Jones. For now
[12:40] Speaker 1: Ianachar who is their first round pick. They have him
[12:43] Speaker 1: on the third team. But that's a battle we'll be
[12:45] Speaker 1: talking about a little more as we get to train.
[12:47] Speaker 2: And a position changed because you know, he spent his
[12:50] Speaker 2: entire career at Arizona State on the right side and
[12:52] Speaker 2: Jones's left tackle. So something demon that's actually very intriguing
[12:55] Speaker 2: in OTAs.
[12:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see, we'll see where he ends up
[12:59] Speaker 1: landing Keisha on booty not at Patriots workouts over the
[13:04] Speaker 1: last few weeks. That was according to Mike Reese of ESPN,
[13:08] Speaker 1: who just noted that all the Patriots receivers have been
[13:10] Speaker 1: there helping Romeo Dobs get up to you know, up
[13:13] Speaker 1: to speed. They're not even you know, they're just about
[13:15] Speaker 1: to get onto the field. But they're not even on
[13:17] Speaker 1: the field. They're just lifting weights. Normally, I wouldn't bother
[13:19] Speaker 1: to mention this, but the fact that Kaishon Boody is
[13:22] Speaker 1: the only receiver not there, it does have me wondering
[13:25] Speaker 1: if he's in this AJ Brown trade. I'm gonna put
[13:28] Speaker 1: you on the spot. What do you think the aj
[13:31] Speaker 1: Brown trade terms are now? I mean, it could be
[13:34] Speaker 1: because Kishon Boody wants a new contract. It could just
[13:36] Speaker 1: be because he wants to participate elsewhere. But I'm I'm
[13:39] Speaker 1: not usually a conspiracy theorist, shook. I wouldn't be surprised
[13:42] Speaker 1: if they told him like, hey man, you know, if
[13:47] Speaker 1: you don't want to come, you don't have to come.
[13:49] Speaker 2: Kind of work out on your own because we're gonna
[13:52] Speaker 2: trade you on June first.
[13:54] Speaker 1: He want, you know, like they just gave him the
[13:56] Speaker 1: score and then he was like okay, I'm not gonna come.
[13:59] Speaker 2: So this is a weird trade because I think if
[14:02] Speaker 2: there was some sort of like time element to it,
[14:06] Speaker 2: like an urgency, that I think the Eagles would probably
[14:09] Speaker 2: get more for it in an AJ Brown trade to
[14:11] Speaker 2: the Patriots. And yet I feel like this has been
[14:14] Speaker 2: so drawn out that they probably lose a little bit
[14:17] Speaker 2: of leverage. Still I would I mean, if it's me,
[14:19] Speaker 2: I'm giving up a first rounder. I don't know if
[14:21] Speaker 2: they get a first rounder for him. And if you
[14:23] Speaker 2: were to consider throwing Booty into a trade there, which
[14:26] Speaker 2: the Eagles really don't have all that much room in
[14:27] Speaker 2: the receiver room after what they've done this offseason, but
[14:30] Speaker 2: use him they would like to take him, of course,
[14:32] Speaker 2: then I think that that pick drops to a second
[14:34] Speaker 2: rounder or something like that. I mean, a J. Brown
[14:36] Speaker 2: is still a highly valuable receiver. It's just that he
[14:38] Speaker 2: and the Eagles can't work things out. So I'm going
[14:41] Speaker 2: to eliminate a first rounder from the discussion, and it's
[14:45] Speaker 2: going to disappoint me. And I don't know though, how
[14:47] Speaker 2: he's involved. This is tough. This is tough because I
[14:49] Speaker 2: feel like how he would extract maximum value when you
[14:51] Speaker 2: would get a first rounder we're in that range.
[14:55] Speaker 1: I think it's a twenty twenty eight first rounder. You
[15:00] Speaker 1: have to wait for the future and Booty going on
[15:04] Speaker 1: because like Booty's in a contract year, I think him
[15:07] Speaker 1: and Brown are a little duplicative as ball winners. He's
[15:11] Speaker 1: a good player. He's never put up like monster stats
[15:13] Speaker 1: in a season, but I think he's better than the
[15:16] Speaker 1: numbers indicate. At the end of last season, me and
[15:19] Speaker 1: Ali Connolly had him on our kind of all underrated
[15:22] Speaker 1: type of team or just like hitting gems like. He's
[15:25] Speaker 1: a good player, and which is why I think the
[15:27] Speaker 1: Eagles could absolutely use him. Yes, they have Mackay Lemon
[15:31] Speaker 1: and Dantavian Wicks and Hollywood Brown behind Devonte Smith. None
[15:35] Speaker 1: of those guys are really you know, sideline X kind
[15:39] Speaker 1: of one on one winners, good red zone guy, and
[15:42] Speaker 1: so Booty I think, who makes a lot of contested catches,
[15:46] Speaker 1: could could fill a nice role for them. By the way,
[15:50] Speaker 1: the A. J. Brown Beck when he was traded to
[15:52] Speaker 1: the Eagles, it was for the eighteenth and the one
[15:54] Speaker 1: hundred and first pick. Remember they took Treylon Burks for
[15:59] Speaker 1: that eighteenth pick, but that was like for the current draft.
[16:03] Speaker 1: So I think just kicking it out into the future.
[16:05] Speaker 1: I'm guessing how he gets that first It's twenty twenty
[16:08] Speaker 1: eight plus just a little extra for Kashan Boody, and.
[16:11] Speaker 2: Like an extra year, it increases the likelihood of getting
[16:14] Speaker 2: a first round pick.
[16:14] Speaker 1: So I like that number six on our list things
[16:18] Speaker 1: we learned. Jason Light spoke to the media and that's
[16:22] Speaker 1: the Bucks GM and talked about their running back situation
[16:26] Speaker 1: and said that Bucky Irving will be quote the chair
[16:31] Speaker 1: of the Buccaneers running back committee, which also includes Kenny
[16:36] Speaker 1: Gainwell and Sean Tucker, something I don't think I've talked
[16:39] Speaker 1: about on the show. I'm curious if you had any thoughts, Like,
[16:42] Speaker 1: Bucky Irving had a bad year last year. His numbers
[16:45] Speaker 1: were just not as effective on a per snap basis,
[16:48] Speaker 1: success rate, yards per carry, Azrashad White or Shan Tucker
[16:52] Speaker 1: actually in that backfield. So what do you think about
[16:55] Speaker 1: the Buccaneers backfield Irving, gain Well, in Tucker.
[17:01] Speaker 2: This is also a Buccaneers offense that relied heavily on
[17:03] Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield early in the season for explosives and then
[17:05] Speaker 2: once that fell off a cliff, they just had nowhere
[17:07] Speaker 2: to go. They finished twenty first in total yards and
[17:09] Speaker 2: twenty first and rushing, So like that doesn't surprise me
[17:11] Speaker 2: that Bucky was part of that. Bucky was also kind
[17:12] Speaker 2: of dinged up at times, right, so it's difficult to
[17:16] Speaker 2: really distill exactly what last season meant for him. But
[17:19] Speaker 2: I think he's earned the chair. I like the use
[17:21] Speaker 2: of the chair of the committee. We talk about backfield
[17:24] Speaker 2: committees all the time, not often that we have somebody
[17:26] Speaker 2: anointed with the chair. So congrats, it's not thrown, it's
[17:30] Speaker 2: a chair. Bucky Irving gets the chair. I also like
[17:32] Speaker 2: this backfield for the addition of Kenny game Well. We
[17:35] Speaker 2: both love Kenny gain Well. We love what he did
[17:36] Speaker 2: for the Steelers last year, especially even as a pass catch,
[17:39] Speaker 2: which I think is a very underrated element in his game.
[17:41] Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Sean Tucker. He's been of a throwback.
[17:44] Speaker 2: He's a hard runner, and I like the diversity of
[17:47] Speaker 2: this backfield. But it's got to start with Bucky.
[17:48] Speaker 1: Irving making a sneaky amount of money Sean Tucker because
[17:53] Speaker 1: if you remember, there was interest in him as a
[17:55] Speaker 1: restricted free agent elsewhere, believe with Seattle, and so he
[18:00] Speaker 1: ends up getting three point five million dollars and they
[18:03] Speaker 1: decided to pay that up. He had seven touchdowns a
[18:06] Speaker 1: year ago, and so he's going to be used in
[18:09] Speaker 1: short yardage. To me, that's a fantasy stay away type
[18:12] Speaker 1: of situation. But I go to the money and I
[18:15] Speaker 1: go to what I saw on the field. Kenny Gainwell
[18:17] Speaker 1: was a better player than Bucky Irving last year. Bucky
[18:19] Speaker 1: was such a creative, exciting rookie player. I think he
[18:23] Speaker 1: can get it back, but it seemed like he was
[18:25] Speaker 1: just like looking for big plays and you know, Todd
[18:28] Speaker 1: Bowles and then the offense that they're running, they might
[18:31] Speaker 1: be looking for someone who's a little more consistent, and
[18:33] Speaker 1: that to me is Gainwell and Tucker. So I would
[18:36] Speaker 1: be selling my Bucky Irving as the chair of the committee.
[18:39] Speaker 1: Stock are definitely selling, but getting him in fantasy.
[18:42] Speaker 2: Sells fantasy stock definitely.
[18:43] Speaker 1: Yeah. Also in that division, Bryce Young got his fifth
[18:48] Speaker 1: year option picked up the fifth year, not this year.
[18:50] Speaker 1: It's it's not until twenty twenty seven. Joseph Person of
[18:53] Speaker 1: the Athletic said more clearly and confirmed what I expected,
[18:58] Speaker 1: but that we haven't heard from the team, which is
[19:00] Speaker 1: that do not expect a Bryce Young extension this offseason.
[19:06] Speaker 1: That he doesn't think the Panthers are going to seriously
[19:09] Speaker 1: consider or negotiate with Bryce. What do you think about
[19:13] Speaker 1: Bryce Young kind of getting set up for a prove
[19:16] Speaker 1: it twenty twenty sixth season in terms of a long
[19:19] Speaker 1: term contract.
[19:21] Speaker 2: I think this is exactly where he is on his
[19:23] Speaker 2: career path. We're still not that far removed from him
[19:26] Speaker 2: getting benched and then reclaiming his role. Last year, he
[19:29] Speaker 2: was just very up and down. It's just dependent on
[19:31] Speaker 2: the week whether you got the Bryce Young that would
[19:32] Speaker 2: throw for four hundred in an overtime win over the
[19:34] Speaker 2: Falcons or the Bryce Young who couldn't crack two hundred
[19:36] Speaker 2: the next week or the week prior. Like, it's just
[19:38] Speaker 2: it's too inconsistent, and I think that before they're going
[19:41] Speaker 2: to commit any sort of long term money outside of
[19:43] Speaker 2: the rookie deal, and you have that fifth year option
[19:44] Speaker 2: at your disposal, they just need to see more. So
[19:46] Speaker 2: this is absolutely approval year for him. The fifth year
[19:49] Speaker 2: option was always going to be picked up and I
[19:51] Speaker 2: and no extension expected before the season. I wouldn't be
[19:54] Speaker 2: surprised if they didn't do one at all this year
[19:55] Speaker 2: and just let him figure out now and then attack
[19:57] Speaker 2: it next year.
[19:58] Speaker 1: I think the only way he gets one this year
[20:01] Speaker 1: is if he is playing at a Pro Bowl or
[20:05] Speaker 1: top ten to twelve quarternecks level, pretty big jump, yeah,
[20:08] Speaker 1: which is a which is possible, and then he gets
[20:11] Speaker 1: it sometime in November or anything. You know. The awkward
[20:14] Speaker 1: situation is if it doesn't work out and then he's
[20:17] Speaker 1: making twenty five million dollars, which is the bottom end
[20:21] Speaker 1: of starting quarterback money. Is what Aaron Rodgers is making essentially,
[20:26] Speaker 1: but they're like starting to kind of look at other
[20:28] Speaker 1: options next offseason. By the way, people that said that,
[20:31] Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers is making too much money like that,
[20:34] Speaker 1: that's the one part of that deal I have no
[20:36] Speaker 1: problem with. I think he actually went out of his way.
[20:38] Speaker 1: I want to see them number to get just over
[20:42] Speaker 1: Malik Willis in terms of average salary, so that he
[20:46] Speaker 1: is not the lowest paid veteran starting quarterback for Week one,
[20:51] Speaker 1: I guess you got to include Jacoby Brissett or Gardener Minshew.
[20:54] Speaker 1: We don't know who's they're going to be. But other
[20:55] Speaker 1: than that, if you're talking about guys on veteran contracts,
[20:58] Speaker 1: the two lowest paid starting Week one quarterbacks are actually
[21:01] Speaker 1: Malik Willis and Aaron Rodgers, and they're pretty far below
[21:04] Speaker 1: number three on that list, which is like Baker or
[21:07] Speaker 1: something waits.
[21:08] Speaker 2: What's Rogers annual value?
[21:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, now it's like twenty two and a half twenty three.
[21:13] Speaker 2: R Bakers thirty three, which that contract looks great now,
[21:16] Speaker 2: by the way.
[21:17] Speaker 1: And he might get a contract this offseason. We will see,
[21:19] Speaker 1: all right. So that's our seventh point eight through ten
[21:23] Speaker 1: are some owners meeting points. It's kind of a lighter
[21:26] Speaker 1: owners meetings this week. It includes voting on international games.
[21:31] Speaker 1: The owners are going to vote to expand the maximum
[21:35] Speaker 1: amount of international games up to eleven. This year it
[21:39] Speaker 1: was eight plus one, includes the Jaguars Wembley game, which
[21:43] Speaker 1: I didn't even realize. The Jaguars just run that themselves.
[21:46] Speaker 1: It's not technically like run by the NFL as an
[21:48] Speaker 1: international game. So it's eight plus one, and they're voting
[21:52] Speaker 1: to make it ten plus one. By the way, next year,
[21:56] Speaker 1: the Jaguars might be playing three home games in London.
[22:00] Speaker 1: Actually expect that to happen because they're going to be
[22:02] Speaker 1: moving stadiums and so that'll just be a weird wrinkle
[22:06] Speaker 1: of the season. And so eleven international games next year. Potentially,
[22:12] Speaker 1: and I assume they would vote for that. They're also
[22:15] Speaker 1: voting to make Nashville the host of the twenty thirty
[22:19] Speaker 1: Super Bowl shook. What do you think about Nashville getting
[22:23] Speaker 1: the Super Bowl potentially?
[22:24] Speaker 2: I think it's interesting to designate in a not yet
[22:27] Speaker 2: completed stadium as a super as a host site of
[22:30] Speaker 2: a Super Bowl game like in the future, because we
[22:34] Speaker 2: did run into problems with this with so far and
[22:35] Speaker 2: they're delayed construction by year, which is how Tampa got
[22:37] Speaker 2: back into the rotation because it was too rainy in
[22:40] Speaker 2: LA that year, which is hilarious because it's how often
[22:43] Speaker 2: is it ever rainy in LA? But based on the
[22:45] Speaker 2: renderings and the projections and everything else, for Nashville, which
[22:47] Speaker 2: is the city that is exploding with growth, it makes
[22:50] Speaker 2: all the sense in the world. Do you build a
[22:51] Speaker 2: new stadium, build a state of the art dome where
[22:53] Speaker 2: you're not worried about the weather, Come on, get a
[22:55] Speaker 2: Super Bowl. That's people here in Cleveland. They broke ground
[22:57] Speaker 2: on the Browns new stadium and they're like, we're going
[22:59] Speaker 2: to get Super Bowl and I'm like, you need more
[23:01] Speaker 2: hotels first. So Nashville's already got that part covered.
[23:04] Speaker 1: Also it's cold, well, they could give it to them once.
[23:07] Speaker 1: I guess, you know, if it's everybody gets one, right,
[23:10] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if Buffalo is going
[23:11] Speaker 1: to get one. I don't I don't think Buffalo.
[23:13] Speaker 2: Is going to get one.
[23:14] Speaker 1: But yeah, in Nashville, that gives us a new goal.
[23:16] Speaker 1: You know. Initially, when I first started working at Pro
[23:18] Speaker 1: Football talknbcsports dot Com, it was my goal to get
[23:22] Speaker 1: to the twenty twelve Super Bowl, stay in the business,
[23:25] Speaker 1: keep my job long enough to get to go to
[23:29] Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in New Orleans where I went to school,
[23:32] Speaker 1: like get and then it was kind of like like
[23:35] Speaker 1: Sean McVay felt after winning the Super Bowls, like, oh, well,
[23:38] Speaker 1: now what do I do? It's like I've already achieved
[23:41] Speaker 1: my greatest my greatest goal. And then we got back
[23:43] Speaker 1: to New Orleans. So maybe now our new goal shook
[23:45] Speaker 1: me and you NFL Daily twenty thirty Nashville. I've never
[23:48] Speaker 1: been in Nashville.
[23:49] Speaker 2: Okay, I can get down with that. And you know,
[23:52] Speaker 2: we talked about the International Games. I feel like we're
[23:54] Speaker 2: going to expand that schedule out further to the point
[23:57] Speaker 2: where like every team's going to get an international game
[23:58] Speaker 2: before long and your target date on national is twenty thirty.
[24:02] Speaker 2: The target date on what's the type, is it not
[24:05] Speaker 2: supersonic or whatever it is? The flight you know, the concord,
[24:08] Speaker 2: Remember that old plane that they stopped running. The target
[24:11] Speaker 2: for those to be reintroduced into commercial flight is twenty
[24:13] Speaker 2: twenty nine. So we get a lot of goals for
[24:15] Speaker 2: the end of this decade because if that's introduced, then
[24:17] Speaker 2: it makes the International Games a lot more feasible.
[24:19] Speaker 1: Yes, I might be making a campaign onto Munich this year,
[24:24] Speaker 1: might be pushing for a Munich thing, and yeah, it
[24:26] Speaker 1: would be great if you could make that. Like I
[24:29] Speaker 1: like a trip to Veg Okay, I've been love never
[24:32] Speaker 1: been to Germany.
[24:33] Speaker 2: Great great city.
[24:33] Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see. But yeah, they're going to keep
[24:36] Speaker 1: expanding though, and and I'm always surprised by the people.
[24:39] Speaker 1: It's like, you know, JJ Watt is like, well, we've
[24:41] Speaker 1: turned this into you know, instead of like just an
[24:44] Speaker 1: occasional you know trip overseas, now it's like a traveling circus.
[24:48] Speaker 1: It's like it's like nine games out of two seventy
[24:52] Speaker 1: and you're just watching everything on TV, like Spread the Love.
[24:55] Speaker 1: It's it's not that big. We have enough football. It's
[24:58] Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal.
[24:59] Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody hates change more than old football guys.
[25:04] Speaker 1: Fine, it's fine. It's like a tiny fraction. Just just
[25:09] Speaker 1: let them have some fun. By the way, we did
[25:10] Speaker 1: the schedule last week the release. One thing I didn't know,
[25:16] Speaker 1: which I wish I had when I said how the
[25:19] Speaker 1: Saints and the Falcons had a primetime game in Week four,
[25:23] Speaker 1: which caught my eye, I thought it was like surprising.
[25:26] Speaker 1: I did say, Okay, well the Falcons got one. That's cool.
[25:28] Speaker 1: It's the only Saints primetime game that is close to
[25:33] Speaker 1: the twentieth anniversary of the Steve Gleason game, which the
[25:37] Speaker 1: Falcons did not want to be a part of. They
[25:39] Speaker 1: did not want this to be in Monday Night Football.
[25:41] Speaker 1: They you know, because they're essentially like the opponent for
[25:44] Speaker 1: the Harlem Globetrotters on that night. But I tell you
[25:48] Speaker 1: this Falcons chance for a little revenge. But very cool
[25:52] Speaker 1: that Roger Goodell reportedly kind of, you know, stood on
[25:57] Speaker 1: the table and said, like we're doing this game. I
[25:59] Speaker 1: don't care ESPN or whoever what you want, Like, we're
[26:03] Speaker 1: going to do this game around the anniversary of the
[26:05] Speaker 1: Steve Gleason moment, which was maybe the best moment of
[26:07] Speaker 1: Paul Tagliview's run because he helped keep that team in
[26:11] Speaker 1: New Orleans, maybe even more than the owner Tom Benson.
[26:14] Speaker 1: So very cool that they're doing a memory kind of
[26:17] Speaker 1: of that game, and I'm sure they're going to blow
[26:20] Speaker 1: it out and Steve Gleason will be there and that'll
[26:22] Speaker 1: be a really cool night.
[26:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. The one thing that I think among the many
[26:26] Speaker 2: things that the NFL has been very good at over
[26:27] Speaker 2: the last ten years in terms of growth is capitalizing
[26:31] Speaker 2: on anniversaries and holidays and really like blowing it out
[26:36] Speaker 2: and making it a spectacle and not avoiding it or
[26:38] Speaker 2: just having it as like a tertiary detail, but like
[26:40] Speaker 2: that is the focus of it. Like we're playing a
[26:42] Speaker 2: football game and it's on this date, and it's important
[26:45] Speaker 2: because of this, and we're going to run headfirst into
[26:47] Speaker 2: it and really expand it and you know, popularize it.
[26:50] Speaker 2: And they're great at the league is great at ten
[26:52] Speaker 2: pole events, They're great at doing everything like that. The
[26:54] Speaker 2: spectacle has never been bigger than it is right now
[26:57] Speaker 2: in this league.
[26:59] Speaker 1: And that, of course was the first game for the
[27:02] Speaker 1: Saints at home after Hurricane Katrina, which was a Monday
[27:06] Speaker 1: night football game, and I believe it was a Tariko
[27:10] Speaker 1: on the call for ESPN back then, and very cool.
[27:15] Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. So those were points eight
[27:18] Speaker 1: through ten, just some allotted stuff. And then while we're
[27:21] Speaker 1: talking Saints, I'm going to move a couple of my
[27:24] Speaker 1: Saints ones up in the order and we're going eleven
[27:27] Speaker 1: and twelve for some Mickey Loomis Kellen Moore talk from Monday.
[27:30] Speaker 1: They're back on the field and they answered some questions.
[27:34] Speaker 1: Number one non committal about Alvin Kamara, but said something
[27:38] Speaker 1: is coming soon. June first is an important date there.
[27:43] Speaker 1: My guess is that they're cutting Alvin Kamara. Kellen Moore said,
[27:46] Speaker 1: we're getting close to an answer when it comes to
[27:49] Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right, but June
[27:53] Speaker 1: first is a date where they would more easily be
[27:56] Speaker 1: able to cut him. They changed this contract up little bit,
[28:00] Speaker 1: so just something to watch there. Also, Mickey Loomis said
[28:03] Speaker 1: there is an out offer out to Cam Jordan. They
[28:05] Speaker 1: are interested in him coming back. Cam Jordan's made it
[28:08] Speaker 1: clear that he's not happy with what they are offering,
[28:12] Speaker 1: and he remains unsigned and Taysom Hill there is no
[28:14] Speaker 1: offer out to him. I think Taysom hills career is
[28:17] Speaker 1: probably over and so that just a lot of changes
[28:20] Speaker 1: coming with the Saints. Those are three guys that have
[28:22] Speaker 1: been there a long time. We'll see about Kamara, but
[28:25] Speaker 1: one thing that might not be changing. This would be
[28:27] Speaker 1: my next point would be Loomis said that they want
[28:30] Speaker 1: a contract done with Chris o'lava quote sooner than later.
[28:34] Speaker 1: When just when they say that, that's a really good
[28:36] Speaker 1: sign that actually something could get done and a Lave
[28:39] Speaker 1: is in the building, participating in all the off season activities,
[28:44] Speaker 1: So what do you think about, like giving o lave
[28:46] Speaker 1: a big long term money after the injuries, the concussions
[28:50] Speaker 1: and everything he's gone through as a same.
[28:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's mostly been concussions, which is just really unfortunate.
[28:55] Speaker 2: And you also know that with concussions your career timeline
[28:59] Speaker 2: is usually a little bit shortened because you know the
[29:01] Speaker 2: risk of the next one could be the one that
[29:03] Speaker 2: you're like, all right, I'm done. So it's interesting that
[29:05] Speaker 2: they would offer or at least consider such a contract
[29:08] Speaker 2: with him. But when he's healthy, he's an excellent player,
[29:09] Speaker 2: He's been an excellent player since he was at Ohio State.
[29:11] Speaker 2: I thought he was neck and neck with Garrett Wilson
[29:13] Speaker 2: coming out of Ohio State. And he just hasn't been
[29:14] Speaker 2: able to stay on the field consistently, especially in twenty
[29:16] Speaker 2: twenty four. I mean when he's played you know, fifteen
[29:19] Speaker 2: sixteen games, he's broken a thousand receiving yards every year.
[29:22] Speaker 2: And that's with you know, the constant turnover at quarterback
[29:24] Speaker 2: in the post Drew Brees era with the Saints. And
[29:26] Speaker 2: it's funny because all these things are connected with this team.
[29:29] Speaker 2: You know, this is a Saints team that for the
[29:31] Speaker 2: longest time as a franchise, they were hanging on to
[29:34] Speaker 2: being competitive with Drew Brees and Sean Payton and they
[29:37] Speaker 2: finally had to let it go. And now they're under
[29:40] Speaker 2: this you know, new leadership. Still same GM with Mickey Loomis,
[29:43] Speaker 2: you know, made of teflon going to be there forever.
[29:45] Speaker 2: But Kellen Moore, the coach, has kind of invigorated this
[29:48] Speaker 2: group and Tyler Schuck has a lot to do with that.
[29:50] Speaker 2: So it makes sense to you know, secure the players
[29:54] Speaker 2: around Tyler Shuck, Guys like Chris Olave. You spend a
[29:57] Speaker 2: risky first round pick on Jordan Tyson. But if everything
[30:00] Speaker 2: he goes right, you got two really good receivers in
[30:02] Speaker 2: that room and you continue to work towards your ultimate goals.
[30:04] Speaker 2: So it makes sense. But I just hope that Olave
[30:08] Speaker 2: can find a way to stay available more often than
[30:10] Speaker 2: he's been able to. I mean for the most of
[30:12] Speaker 2: his career. He still played double digits and three of
[30:14] Speaker 2: his four seasons, but it just feels like he's missed
[30:16] Speaker 2: a lot of time.
[30:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it took about a while to get
[30:18] Speaker 1: over that concussion, but that helps to explain why his
[30:21] Speaker 1: numbers were way better with Shock. He had three one
[30:24] Speaker 1: hundred yard games last season. They're all with Shock. He
[30:26] Speaker 1: had one hundred and fifty six targets, but they were
[30:28] Speaker 1: a great combination and kind of seeing proof of concept there.
[30:32] Speaker 1: I think is going to help o'lave and get paid.
[30:34] Speaker 1: And yeah, like I mentioned, if he's there, he's feeling
[30:36] Speaker 1: good about that. A favorite son of New Orleans, Eli Manning,
[30:41] Speaker 1: went out of podcast. We're going back to the Eli
[30:44] Speaker 1: Manning draft. That's when you know, maybe we're not learning
[30:46] Speaker 1: as many things about the current teams. But I found
[30:49] Speaker 1: this interesting shook that he said, and this was as
[30:54] Speaker 1: honest as he's ever been about this, that it was
[30:57] Speaker 1: really him that essentially chose not to go to the
[31:00] Speaker 1: Chargers back in his draft of two thousand and four,
[31:05] Speaker 1: not Archie. Archie got totally blamed for it, as like
[31:09] Speaker 1: the father who was just steering his kind of quiet
[31:12] Speaker 1: son away from that situation. And Eli Manning talked about
[31:17] Speaker 1: a weird dinner with the Chargers where it seemed like
[31:22] Speaker 1: the GM AJ Smith at the time and Marty Schottenheimer
[31:25] Speaker 1: were like fighting at the dinner and they ate at
[31:28] Speaker 1: a restaurant in the Marriott in New Orleans, and part
[31:32] Speaker 1: of the reason they were fighting was Schottenheimer being like,
[31:35] Speaker 1: We're in New Orleans and we're eating at a restaurant
[31:37] Speaker 1: in the Marriott Hotel and him and AJ Smith are bickering,
[31:41] Speaker 1: and he and Eli just got the vibe and he
[31:44] Speaker 1: was right that there wasn't a lot of synchronicity between
[31:47] Speaker 1: ownership GM and the coach and they did hate each
[31:50] Speaker 1: other back back then, and Schottenheimer got fired after they
[31:53] Speaker 1: had like a one seed and so he said, Eli
[31:56] Speaker 1: Manning was really the one that wanted no part of
[31:59] Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers, and like a good dad. I
[32:04] Speaker 1: respect Archie Manning who decided to kind of take the
[32:07] Speaker 1: public hits to you know, really reduce the negativity on
[32:12] Speaker 1: Eli Manning. And it was pretty significant back then of
[32:14] Speaker 1: like who does this kid think he is? He got
[32:17] Speaker 1: his way to the Giants. I think everyone ended up happy.
[32:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Philip Rivers ends up with the Chargers.
[32:21] Speaker 2: I think that season Schottenheimer got fired. They went fourteen
[32:24] Speaker 2: to two, but they just couldn't get over the hump
[32:27] Speaker 2: to the super Bowl because they kept running into you know,
[32:29] Speaker 2: the Patriots, And yeah, it all worked out for everybody.
[32:32] Speaker 2: Eli's got a couple of rings. Rivers, you know, had
[32:34] Speaker 2: a great career and you know, Eli is a favorite
[32:37] Speaker 2: son in New York as well for his time with
[32:38] Speaker 2: the Giants, who loved him so much that they tried
[32:41] Speaker 2: to draft his carbon copy clone and Daniel Jones to
[32:44] Speaker 2: replace him.
[32:46] Speaker 1: That was unbusting with the boys, by the way the podcast,
[32:48] Speaker 1: I wanted to give them credit. True, Yeah, getting a
[32:52] Speaker 1: little bit of a getting a little bit of a
[32:54] Speaker 1: scoop there. I was thinking back, like it worked out
[32:57] Speaker 1: for everyone. The only exception Philip Rivers would totally disagree.
[33:04] Speaker 1: He was so good, like he could have won some
[33:06] Speaker 1: Super Bowls with the Giants. I know the Chargers team
[33:08] Speaker 1: was actually more Chargers team the funny The funny thing
[33:12] Speaker 1: is the Chargers team was pretty loaded in the in
[33:15] Speaker 1: the long run and won a lot with the Chargers,
[33:18] Speaker 1: but the ownership coach GM all the dynamics ELI was
[33:22] Speaker 1: right about. I think if you had put Rivers with
[33:25] Speaker 1: the Giants, I think they have more regular season success.
[33:28] Speaker 1: Maybe he gets a title too. If you put Eli
[33:30] Speaker 1: with the Chargers, I don't know if Eli is going
[33:32] Speaker 1: to be good enough to overcome some of the things
[33:34] Speaker 1: that Rivers did. Speaking of quarterbacks who some people think
[33:40] Speaker 1: are a little overrated, Deshaun Watson Todd Monkin reportedly these
[33:46] Speaker 1: two men have hit it off. According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler,
[33:50] Speaker 1: this is on the heels of a couple of reports
[33:52] Speaker 1: that kind of indicated that Watson was now the favorite.
[33:56] Speaker 1: It just feels like, at the very least, Watson's camp
[34:00] Speaker 1: is maybe putting this out there that Watson and Monkin
[34:04] Speaker 1: kind of hit it off. If you do look at
[34:05] Speaker 1: what Monkin has done in the past, it fits pretty
[34:09] Speaker 1: well with the best version of Deshaun Watson that we
[34:13] Speaker 1: saw in the NFL. The problem is, we haven't seen
[34:15] Speaker 1: that version in so long I can't believe that it
[34:19] Speaker 1: still exists. But that these two men have hit it off,
[34:22] Speaker 1: how does that make you feel?
[34:24] Speaker 2: Not at all surprised, also not excited by it, because
[34:26] Speaker 2: this is just another step in their pr campaign to
[34:28] Speaker 2: make Browns fans convinced that Watson is their guy and
[34:31] Speaker 2: to forget about Shudor Sanders and relegate him to back
[34:33] Speaker 2: up status. This has been an effort that this club
[34:36] Speaker 2: has undertaken since they hired Todd Munkin. So this stuff's
[34:40] Speaker 2: going to continue to come out four months the whole
[34:42] Speaker 2: preseason training camp. It's going to be all about Deshaun
[34:44] Speaker 2: Watson looking the best he's been in Cleveland and everything else.
[34:47] Speaker 2: But here's the thing. You're absolutely right. We haven't seen
[34:49] Speaker 2: that version of him and we don't know if the
[34:51] Speaker 2: Houston version of him can ever show up again, partly
[34:54] Speaker 2: because the glenoid fracture that he suffered in his shoulder
[34:56] Speaker 2: is a really difficult injury to come back from, and
[34:58] Speaker 2: his arm did not look good the last time he
[35:00] Speaker 2: was on the field. Not to mention the achilles had
[35:03] Speaker 2: a couple of repairs associated but the Browns are in
[35:05] Speaker 2: a position now where they got Watson in one year
[35:07] Speaker 2: left in that deal. They've restructured it multiple years into
[35:10] Speaker 2: the future. They got to get something out of it.
[35:12] Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna don't.
[35:14] Speaker 1: They don't. I mean, I'm already cringing at the source
[35:18] Speaker 1: off between the Shudar Sanders camp and the Watson camp.
[35:21] Speaker 1: You have Dione Sanders talking about how Shoudur's life was
[35:25] Speaker 1: hell and how he wants to talk to Todd Mike.
[35:29] Speaker 1: It's just tooch.
[35:31] Speaker 2: The Browns are really good at inviting drama that's completely
[35:34] Speaker 2: completely avoidable.
[35:36] Speaker 1: All right. That was our number fourteen point of the
[35:39] Speaker 1: things we learned over the weekend. Number fifteen was a
[35:41] Speaker 1: sad item of news. Just rest in peace to SHERM.
[35:44] Speaker 1: Lewis if you're not familiar. Longtime assistant. Was a great
[35:47] Speaker 1: players as a collegiate at Michigan State, but really got
[35:52] Speaker 1: known more as an assistant with the Bill Walsh forty
[35:55] Speaker 1: nine ers. He was also the offensive coordinator for Mike
[35:59] Speaker 1: Holmgren in the Green Bay Packers when they won that
[36:02] Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Brett favre So. He won four Super
[36:05] Speaker 1: Bowls as an assistant. Unfortunately, I think of him used
[36:09] Speaker 1: as an example of the type of coach that never
[36:13] Speaker 1: got a chance and helped to push the league to
[36:16] Speaker 1: enact the Rooney rule back in the day. Really well
[36:20] Speaker 1: respected and beloved coach for those old forty nine ers
[36:23] Speaker 1: teams and then the Packers. So rest in peace to
[36:26] Speaker 1: Sherm Lewis And we finished on a weird note, but
[36:31] Speaker 1: one that feels just. Nick urban Meyer has lost a
[36:36] Speaker 1: thirty million dollar lawsuit against the Jaguars looking for all
[36:40] Speaker 1: the money they never paid him because they fired him
[36:43] Speaker 1: with cause, and he says that was unfair. He wanted
[36:46] Speaker 1: his thirty million dollars back. It's weird to be on
[36:49] Speaker 1: the side of a billionaire in this case and say no,
[36:53] Speaker 1: the Jaguars should keep this money. But the arbitration ultimately
[36:57] Speaker 1: lost for urban Meyer. They do not have to pay
[37:00] Speaker 1: him thirty million dollars. The reason it made this show
[37:03] Speaker 1: is because there was a like a trial essentially, and
[37:06] Speaker 1: the witnesses included urban Meyer, Jaguars long snapper Russ Mattisik,
[37:11] Speaker 1: Jaguars punter Logan Cook, former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambeau, who
[37:17] Speaker 1: urban Meyer was accused of kicking after calling him a
[37:23] Speaker 1: couple bad words, and just being upset that he kicked
[37:26] Speaker 1: I'm trying to avoid Eric, you know, having to use
[37:29] Speaker 1: any beeps here on a day he just wants to
[37:32] Speaker 1: get out of the office and watch Game seven of
[37:34] Speaker 1: the Savers and Trent Balk also in this trial. I
[37:38] Speaker 1: would have paid twenty dollars to watch this far. This
[37:42] Speaker 1: would have been fun.
[37:43] Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, I was like, I'm not going higher
[37:46] Speaker 3: than twenty dollars, but I would have loved to watch
[37:49] Speaker 3: this trial of why urban Meyer was such a piece
[37:52] Speaker 3: of garbage as the coach of the Jaguars.
[37:54] Speaker 2: And the testimony would have just been riveting to hear
[37:57] Speaker 2: from these foreign players who clearly disliked him. Look when
[38:01] Speaker 2: they made this higher, I was like, that's a terrible decision.
[38:03] Speaker 2: I think he was a desperation move at the time.
[38:05] Speaker 2: And erbin Meyer very quickly presented himself as the opposite
[38:09] Speaker 2: of a sympathetic figure with the Jaguars. And this is
[38:12] Speaker 2: one of those rare instances in which you're right, you
[38:14] Speaker 2: do side on the side of a billionaire, because that's
[38:17] Speaker 2: how bad erbin Meyer was as a coach with the Jaguars.
[38:19] Speaker 2: He's much better on television than he is coaching in
[38:21] Speaker 2: the NFL.
[38:22] Speaker 1: He's not good on television. He's terrible. I hate the
[38:25] Speaker 1: fellow bars immediately, don't. I don't really watch him. I
[38:29] Speaker 1: just don't love the fact that he immediately gets a
[38:33] Speaker 1: job a cushy gig after kind of showing himself to
[38:37] Speaker 1: be not knowing ball, Like he didn't know players in
[38:40] Speaker 1: the NFL. He didn't know his players.
[38:42] Speaker 2: He didn't even travel home with the team one time,
[38:44] Speaker 2: he didn't know Aaron Donald.
[38:45] Speaker 1: Yes, when not traveling home with the team and then
[38:48] Speaker 1: being caught on camera grinding on some co ed at
[38:52] Speaker 1: a college. Bar was fairly low on the objectionable things
[38:55] Speaker 1: that you did as a head coach. You know. It
[38:57] Speaker 1: was a rough tenure. So good on the Jaguars for
[39:00] Speaker 1: winning that one. That was the sixteen thing we learned
[39:03] Speaker 1: over the weekend. Shookie, I want you back later in
[39:06] Speaker 1: the week. I haven't even told you this. Are you
[39:08] Speaker 1: available on Wednesday? We need you, buddy, of course, talk.
[39:11] Speaker 1: I always take myself available. Come on, I put some
[39:14] Speaker 1: pressure on him. We will be back in the studio
[39:16] Speaker 1: though on Tuesday. Be myself. It'll be everyone's favorite co
[39:24] Speaker 1: host at least for that day. It's Patrick Claybahan back
[39:27] Speaker 1: in the studio. We're going to do underrated players in
[39:29] Speaker 1: the AFC. We will see them

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