# Marriage: For Better, For Worse and For F**k’s Sake!

An episode of [Best Life Pending with Steph De Sousa & Chrissy Hearn](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6806116018), 18 Oct 2026, 18 min.

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Ever looked at your partner and wondered how you've managed not to kill each other? 😂 Chrissy and Steph spill on the little things that drive them mad, why menopause changes the rules and what happens to your marriage when the kids finally leave home. Is it time to fall in love all over again or just learn to tolerate each other? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: A PodJay production. And action. I'm Chrissy Hearn.
[0:14] Speaker 2: And I am Steph D'Souza. And our podcast is Best
[0:18] Speaker 2: Life Fending. Do you want to be my wingwoman?
[0:23] Speaker 1: Be nice to yourself. Yeah. Don't be so hard on yourself.
[0:27] Speaker 1: And we're off.
[0:28] Speaker 2: Today we are talking about marriage, relationships, and not murdering
[0:32] Speaker 2: each other.
[0:33] Speaker 1: I'm here for it.
[0:34] Speaker 2: Have you been close to murdering the lovely loved one, Ricardo,
[0:38] Speaker 2: at times?
[0:39] Speaker 1: Look, let's call it a shovel, a spade, shall we?
[0:41] Speaker 2: All right.
[0:42] Speaker 1: I would absolutely say if you didn't want to kill
[0:46] Speaker 1: your partner at any stage of your relationship, you're lying. Yeah,
[0:50] Speaker 1: I agree.
[0:50] Speaker 2: I agree.
[0:51] Speaker 1: You're lying.
[0:52] Speaker 2: I have this theory that if you're not arguing, you're
[0:55] Speaker 2: not actually in love.
[0:56] Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
[0:57] Speaker 2: I just feel like a good relationship should be arguing occasionally.
[1:02] Speaker 2: You should be having a little argy-bargy. Because you should
[1:04] Speaker 2: be able to be unapologetically yourself in your relationships, I think.
[1:09] Speaker 2: And that is never going to be agreeable all the time,
[1:13] Speaker 2: I don't think.
[1:14] Speaker 1: What would be something, without sharing any family secrets, getting
[1:17] Speaker 1: the laundry out, what would be something that you would
[1:23] Speaker 1: find frustrating with your loved ones?
[1:27] Speaker 2: Being asked a stupid question.
[1:29] Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Yeah. Is that high on the list?
[1:31] Speaker 1: Would that be number one?
[1:32] Speaker 2: It's probably the highest on the list. Perfect. Okay.
[1:34] Speaker 1: All right. Just being asked.
[1:35] Speaker 2: Something that you don't need to ask me. Like, just
[1:38] Speaker 2: use your own brain.
[1:40] Speaker 1: Do you ignore the question or do you just go, oh,
[1:43] Speaker 1: my God.
[1:44] Speaker 2: I do a sarcastic.
[1:46] Speaker 1: Oh, do you?
[1:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes. I either do a sarcastic or I just do,
[1:50] Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, where's the fishhooks? I don't know.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Why would I know?
[1:57] Speaker 2: Why would I know where they are?
[1:58] Speaker 1: Use your own brain. See, Ricardo says to me, Christine,
[2:02] Speaker 1: where is the fish hooks? And I go, mate, I
[2:05] Speaker 1: don't know where the fish hooks are. You know where
[2:07] Speaker 1: the fish hooks are. He goes, you've thrown them out,
[2:09] Speaker 1: haven't you? That's what you've done. You throw everything out, Christine.
[2:13] Speaker 2: But did you throw the fish hooks out?
[2:15] Speaker 1: Potentially. Potentially. Is that wrong? No, not at all.
[2:21] Speaker 2: You should throw the fish hooks out.
[2:22] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Why have you got fish hooks?
[2:24] Speaker 2: No one needs them. That's what the fish co-op is for.
[2:27] Speaker 2: And see, what Ricardo does, if.
[2:30] Speaker 1: Say, the fish hooks came in a box, he would
[2:32] Speaker 1: keep that fish box.
[2:34] Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
[2:34] Speaker 1: Because he thinks that he'll need that to pack up
[2:37] Speaker 1: the fish hooks.
[2:38] Speaker 2: Yes, for the next time you move.
[2:39] Speaker 1: For the next time. Yeah, I know.
[2:41] Speaker 2: Neville used to be the same, but we've gotten to
[2:44] Speaker 2: a point in our relationship where he now throws the
[2:46] Speaker 2: box out.
[2:47] Speaker 1: Right. And how did you get them across that line?
[2:49] Speaker 2: I think I just did it for him. So now
[2:51] Speaker 2: he just realises they're going to go in the bin anyway.
[2:53] Speaker 2: So he just lets it go. And also we get
[2:55] Speaker 2: so many boxes in our house now that I think
[2:58] Speaker 2: it's a constant source of frustration.
[3:01] Speaker 1: We need to get out to the recycling.
[3:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, they need to be gone.
[3:04] Speaker 1: God love them.
[3:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like, do you know where this is?
[3:08] Speaker 2: Do I ever ask you where something is? No, because
[3:11] Speaker 2: I use my own brain and I look for it.
[3:14] Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but boys slash men, they have boy eyes.
[3:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have boy eyes.
[3:19] Speaker 1: Because the moment I get up, he goes, where are
[3:21] Speaker 1: the fishhooks? I go, all right, okay, I'll play this
[3:24] Speaker 1: game and I'll get up, I'll walk straight to the
[3:27] Speaker 1: drawer and I'll pull the drawer out and I'll go, fishhooks.
[3:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
[3:32] Speaker 1: Exactly. So they don't even look.
[3:34] Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, actually, I think it was yesterday morning,
[3:37] Speaker 2: Neva's unpacking the dishwasher.
[3:39] Speaker 1: Just before you start, who packs the dishwasher? Not me. No.
[3:43] Speaker 1: Is that because you're not skilled at that task?
[3:47] Speaker 2: I'm not very good at it, apparently. Apparently. I don't
[3:49] Speaker 2: do it in the right order. Yes. And in the
[3:51] Speaker 2: right system.
[3:52] Speaker 1: What is that?
[3:53] Speaker 2: It's a control issue. It's like it's a A little
[3:56] Speaker 2: piece of technology that's only fit for men.
[3:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[3:59] Speaker 2: And they can only do it perfectly. But to be honest,
[4:02] Speaker 2: I am just chucking it in.
[4:04] Speaker 1: Are you?
[4:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just chucking it in.
[4:05] Speaker 1: Willy nilly?
[4:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, but why do I do that? Because I know
[4:08] Speaker 2: it means that I'm not good at it. It means
[4:10] Speaker 2: somebody else will do it.
[4:11] Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? I do the same thing.
[4:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, a bit of strategy there. A little bit of strategy.
[4:16] Speaker 1: I'm here for it.
[4:17] Speaker 2: Anyway, so Nev, the other day, he was unpacking the
[4:19] Speaker 2: dishwasher and I used the potato ricer. To make mashed potato. Okay.
[4:23] Speaker 2: Makes the best mashed potato.
[4:24] Speaker 1: Okay.
[4:25] Speaker 2: If you want a good mashed potato, get yourself a
[4:27] Speaker 2: potato ricer. It's got a handle and you open it
[4:30] Speaker 2: up and you put the potato in and then you
[4:32] Speaker 2: put it in, you squish it. Oh. And it comes
[4:35] Speaker 2: through fine holes. So it looks a bit like rice
[4:38] Speaker 2: petals or spaghetti when it comes up. Gets rid of
[4:41] Speaker 2: all the lumps. It makes it really nice and airy. Oh. Anyway,
[4:45] Speaker 2: I noticed he said with hesitation.
[4:48] Speaker 1: Hesitation.
[4:49] Speaker 2: Lots of hesitation. He said, Steph, yep, goes, where does
[4:54] Speaker 2: the potato ricer live? Because he wanted to put it away, right?
[4:59] Speaker 2: I thought to myself, I must have been a bit
[5:01] Speaker 2: mean lately because he was actually a little bit hesitant
[5:04] Speaker 2: to ask me the question. He was obviously like, I
[5:08] Speaker 2: better not ask because she is going to get real
[5:11] Speaker 2: cranky at me. And I thought, I need to just
[5:14] Speaker 2: check myself. I've obviously pushed it a bit far. Because
[5:16] Speaker 2: it was too scared to ask me where it lived.
[5:18] Speaker 1: But I would ask where could it potentially go?
[5:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:22] Speaker 1: It's not going to go with the plates.
[5:24] Speaker 2: No, but if you put it in the wrong place.
[5:26] Speaker 1: Oh, you kick off? Well, yeah, maybe. I wouldn't kick off.
[5:33] Speaker 1: I'd be, where's the ricer?
[5:34] Speaker 2: Where's the potato ricer?
[5:36] Speaker 1: Where did you put it? Which I think is every
[5:37] Speaker 1: conversation in every house.
[5:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's pretty normal really, isn't it? But
[5:43] Speaker 2: it's just those little sources of irritation, I think, that happens.
[5:46] Speaker 2: Like we've been married 20 years. This New Year's Eve coming,
[5:49] Speaker 2: we'll be married 20 years. Wow.
[5:51] Speaker 1: Congratulations.
[5:52] Speaker 2: Or commiserations. I'm not sure. Just breathe through it. Just
[5:59] Speaker 2: breathe through it.
[5:59] Speaker 1: We got this.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've gotten less tolerant of those questions.
[6:04] Speaker 1: Oh, less tolerant. Absolutely.
[6:06] Speaker 2: And maybe after menopause, maybe I don't want to answer
[6:09] Speaker 2: them anymore.
[6:09] Speaker 1: No.
[6:09] Speaker 2: I just don't want to do it.
[6:10] Speaker 1: No.
[6:11] Speaker 2: Tooth down.
[6:12] Speaker 1: I don't think you need to.
[6:13] Speaker 2: But they keep asking them.
[6:15] Speaker 1: So has your relationship changed since menopause? You're saying you're
[6:19] Speaker 1: a lot more, you know.
[6:21] Speaker 2: I'm a lot less tolerant.
[6:22] Speaker 1: A lot less tolerant.
[6:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[6:24] Speaker 1: But you check yourself because you thought, oh, he's sounding
[6:27] Speaker 1: a bit hesitant. Yeah.
[6:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, I do check myself. And I can hear my
[6:31] Speaker 2: voice when I've got the shits.
[6:33] Speaker 1: Oh, go on.
[6:34] Speaker 2: Can you not hear yourself?
[6:36] Speaker 1: Oh, I turn into my mother. I sound like my mother.
[6:40] Speaker 1: Do you?
[6:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. No, I don't sound like my mother.
[6:43] Speaker 1: For fuck's sake, mate. Like, really?
[6:45] Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like I get more quiet.
[6:49] Speaker 1: You retreat, retreat, retreat. I do, yeah, retreat, retreat, retreat.
[6:51] Speaker 2: And it's funny because my kids always used to say
[6:53] Speaker 2: they knew when they were in trouble because I'd be quiet.
[6:55] Speaker 1: Yes.
[6:56] Speaker 2: And I'd talk really quietly.
[6:58] Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah, and then they knew.
[7:00] Speaker 2: That they were in trouble.
[7:01] Speaker 1: Big time.
[7:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, so I sort of do the opposite rather than
[7:04] Speaker 2: the explosion thing. When I do the explosions when I'm
[7:07] Speaker 2: out of control.
[7:08] Speaker 1: Do you lose your shit though?
[7:09] Speaker 2: Not very often. Not very often.
[7:11] Speaker 1: So you've got to push you a bit before you
[7:13] Speaker 1: lose it. Yeah.
[7:14] Speaker 2: I can't actually remember the last time I lost it actually.
[7:18] Speaker 2: But when my kids were younger, I remember I would
[7:21] Speaker 2: lose it. But that was just because you're under so
[7:23] Speaker 2: much pressure.
[7:23] Speaker 1: Oh, the pressure of little people is immense.
[7:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, I would lose my shit. Never smack them or anything,
[7:28] Speaker 2: but I.
[7:28] Speaker 1: Would like yell. I used to put myself in time out.
[7:31] Speaker 2: I wish I thought about that.
[7:32] Speaker 1: I'm putting myself in time out and I'd go into
[7:34] Speaker 1: the bedroom and lay on the bed.
[7:35] Speaker 2: Oh, really?
[7:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they'd come in and they would rub my.
[7:38] Speaker 2: Oh, bless them.
[7:39] Speaker 1: Are you okay, mummy?
[7:40] Speaker 2: Little boys are beautiful when they're little, aren't they?
[7:42] Speaker 1: They love their mummies.
[7:43] Speaker 2: Oh, they do.
[7:44] Speaker 1: They love their mummies.
[7:45] Speaker 2: They do. Anyway, back to relationships. So how's your relationship changed?
[7:50] Speaker 1: Well, obviously with the boysies moving out and empty nesters,
[7:55] Speaker 1: I actually reckon we're better now than when we were
[7:58] Speaker 1: in the thick of it.
[7:59] Speaker 2: Oh, really?
[7:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think the thick of it, you're just
[8:01] Speaker 1: in survival mode. You know, you're just trying to get
[8:04] Speaker 1: through it. You're just like quick dinner, bath, bed, school.
[8:09] Speaker 1: You're in the trenches. Yeah. And then you kind of...
[8:12] Speaker 1: regroup once they've left.
[8:14] Speaker 2: We're still in the regrouping stage okay because i feel
[8:18] Speaker 2: like we were better when we were a team we
[8:20] Speaker 2: were in the thick of it in the weeds bed
[8:23] Speaker 2: bath dinner work blah blah blah blah blah like i
[8:26] Speaker 2: feel like we were a really good team like we
[8:28] Speaker 2: worked really well together with that stuff yeah and i
[8:31] Speaker 2: feel like now we haven't got the team anymore almost
[8:34] Speaker 2: don't have the team like one to go yeah i
[8:36] Speaker 2: feel like we're a little bit lost in that we
[8:39] Speaker 2: kind of haven't transitioned over yet.
[8:41] Speaker 1: Well, because he's still there at home. Will you have
[8:44] Speaker 1: him travel with you now?
[8:46] Speaker 2: I don't think he'll want to. I don't think Noah
[8:48] Speaker 2: will want to come with us anymore. I think he's... No, no,
[8:50] Speaker 2: not Noah, but Nev.
[8:52] Speaker 1: Will Nev go with you now when you've got to
[8:54] Speaker 1: go and do work stuff?
[8:55] Speaker 2: I don't think so. We're not there yet. We've got
[8:58] Speaker 2: three months to go.
[8:59] Speaker 1: I'm always in awe of those couples that have like
[9:02] Speaker 1: this five-year plan. Yeah. They're going to do this this year, that.
[9:06] Speaker 1: They're going to have this and that. I'm like, no,
[9:09] Speaker 1: I'm lucky to plan six months.
[9:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got a friend who they've got their holidays
[9:13] Speaker 2: planned for like the next three or four years in advance.
[9:17] Speaker 2: Like I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow. Really?
[9:19] Speaker 1: Well, we're going to Japan in July of next year.
[9:22] Speaker 1: Are you? Yeah, yeah, we can't wait. But like everything else,
[9:25] Speaker 1: like they've got it down pat, haven't they?
[9:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. My life is so unpredictable and I've
[9:33] Speaker 2: been in that kind of fight or flight mode with
[9:35] Speaker 2: work for so long now that I find it really
[9:38] Speaker 2: difficult to commit to a plan. And I know I
[9:41] Speaker 2: need to. I'm still struggling to do that.
[9:43] Speaker 1: Does he say to you, when do you think this
[9:45] Speaker 1: might be over? When do you think this traveling and
[9:50] Speaker 1: when do you think you might just kind of.
[9:51] Speaker 2: Have a holiday?
[9:52] Speaker 1: Not even a holiday. Because you go full tech. You
[9:56] Speaker 1: are full on.
[9:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[9:57] Speaker 1: Do you foresee yourself doing that for a long length
[10:00] Speaker 1: of time? Is he going to be like, mate, you
[10:02] Speaker 1: need to slow down now?
[10:03] Speaker 2: We're done. No, I don't. think there's no pressure from
[10:06] Speaker 2: him to do that but I mean it has to
[10:09] Speaker 2: have an end I can't keep going at this pace
[10:11] Speaker 2: forever but I feel like it's a bit of a
[10:14] Speaker 2: right now making hay while the sun shines absolutely just
[10:17] Speaker 2: kind of doing that.
[10:18] Speaker 1: And I would imagine that that whole dynamic of you
[10:22] Speaker 1: working together, I would imagine that that whole working relationship
[10:26] Speaker 1: and personal relationship would get blurred.
[10:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I feel like it's tricky. We no
[10:33] Speaker 2: longer have that separate life that it kind of reduces
[10:36] Speaker 2: what you've got to talk about because you don't kind
[10:38] Speaker 2: of have those outside influences as much anymore. We're just
[10:42] Speaker 2: at a different stage. We still absolutely love each other.
[10:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
[10:47] Speaker 2: About to morph into a new stage. We haven't morphed yet.
[10:51] Speaker 1: Are you excited about that?
[10:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, I am and I'm not. I think I said
[10:55] Speaker 2: before that we're on different pages. Like here's it there. Yeah,
[10:59] Speaker 2: let's go. Kids are gone. And I'm like, I just
[11:03] Speaker 2: don't want to bring them in. But I think that's
[11:06] Speaker 2: a man and a woman thing maybe. I don't know.
[11:08] Speaker 2: How did you and Ricardo go with that?
[11:10] Speaker 1: I really struggled. I really struggled with the empty nesting. Yeah.
[11:14] Speaker 1: I really did.
[11:16] Speaker 2: It was all a bit.
[11:17] Speaker 1: Too much for me. Yeah.
[11:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[11:19] Speaker 1: And I think Rick would then pick up on my anxieties.
[11:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
[11:24] Speaker 1: He was great, but yeah.
[11:26] Speaker 2: But did he, was he excited by it? Like he
[11:28] Speaker 2: loved it? He wasn't?
[11:29] Speaker 1: I don't know if he was excited about it. I
[11:31] Speaker 1: think it was like an end of an era.
[11:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[11:35] Speaker 1: And, you know, you've got to let it go and
[11:37] Speaker 1: let them fly and do their own thing and support them.
[11:41] Speaker 1: Because it's very different parenting adult children than it is
[11:45] Speaker 1: little people, obviously. Yeah, absolutely. And then when they leave home,
[11:49] Speaker 1: it's like it's, again, very different parenting.
[11:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I guess it's very easy to continue
[11:57] Speaker 2: to focus on the kids rather than focusing on yourself,
[12:00] Speaker 2: which is what you need to do in order to
[12:02] Speaker 2: keep a relationship going.
[12:05] Speaker 1: And also, too, you get that groove on about, oh,
[12:07] Speaker 1: you know, you've got to still fix it for them,
[12:09] Speaker 1: still fix it for the kids.
[12:11] Speaker 2: You feel like that. Yeah.
[12:12] Speaker 1: You can't fix it. They're adults now.
[12:14] Speaker 2: They have to fix it themselves. Yeah. That is very tricky,
[12:18] Speaker 2: isn't it? Relationships are hard work.
[12:21] Speaker 1: Complex.
[12:22] Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like. I've never really had to work
[12:26] Speaker 2: on my relationship before, but I think it's because my
[12:29] Speaker 2: life has been so busy and so full and we've
[12:32] Speaker 2: always had the kids and always had that in common
[12:34] Speaker 2: and we've always had a purpose. But I feel like
[12:37] Speaker 2: this is the first time in our life that I've
[12:39] Speaker 2: actually had to think about, I really need to focus
[12:43] Speaker 2: on my relationship and really work on it through this
[12:47] Speaker 2: next transition.
[12:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's exciting. It's a really exciting time.
[12:51] Speaker 2: And a little bit daunting too though.
[12:52] Speaker 1: Oh, most definitely.
[12:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. And you have to kind of, well, this is
[12:55] Speaker 2: what I'm finding, that I have to really think about
[12:59] Speaker 2: giving in to some of the things that I want
[13:01] Speaker 2: in order to, like compromising. That's the word, compromising. We've
[13:05] Speaker 2: never had to compromise because we've always been on the
[13:07] Speaker 2: same page. Whereas now I think we are on different
[13:10] Speaker 2: pages that we do have to compromise. For each other.
[13:14] Speaker 2: There has to be a little bit of this and
[13:16] Speaker 2: a little bit of this in order for this to work.
[13:17] Speaker 1: When you work it out, let me know. Yeah, I
[13:19] Speaker 1: don't know.
[13:20] Speaker 2: Well, I think as long as you're staying together, that's
[13:22] Speaker 2: the goal, isn't it?
[13:23] Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, because you're committed. Yeah. You know, it's unconditional.
[13:26] Speaker 2: This is when a lot of people break up at
[13:28] Speaker 2: this stage, isn't it?
[13:30] Speaker 1: And they're saying now, because there's so many more women
[13:33] Speaker 1: now being diagnosed with ADHD, that marriages are now ending.
[13:38] Speaker 2: Yeah. Is it because of that?
[13:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they say that.
[13:41] Speaker 2: Because they're being treated and then why?
[13:43] Speaker 1: It's probably because they're unmasked now. It's not probably what
[13:46] Speaker 1: they want.
[13:48] Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. So they've been suppressing themselves. And now they're
[13:53] Speaker 2: just coming out.
[13:55] Speaker 1: Wide open. Eyes wide open.
[13:58] Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are changing their preferences. Sexually. Yes.
[14:04] Speaker 2: Have you noticed that?
[14:04] Speaker 1: Batting for the other team. Yeah. That's interesting, isn't it?
[14:07] Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting.
[14:08] Speaker 2: How can you go from one side to the other side?
[14:11] Speaker 1: I don't know. But there are lots and lots.
[14:12] Speaker 2: Like Nat Bass. Natalie Bass. Yeah.
[14:15] Speaker 1: She's like wild.
[14:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I find that fascinating. I would love to
[14:20] Speaker 2: know the psychology behind that.
[14:21] Speaker 1: We need to interview Nat Bass.
[14:24] Speaker 2: Can we do it? I don't know.
[14:25] Speaker 1: Katie, can you make that happen? We need to interview
[14:27] Speaker 1: Kate Bass. What is her name?
[14:28] Speaker 2: Nat Bass.
[14:29] Speaker 1: Nat Bass.
[14:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that would be fascinating, actually, to hear
[14:34] Speaker 2: someone talk about that.
[14:35] Speaker 1: I love it.
[14:36] Speaker 2: I find sometimes now when we go out for dinner
[14:40] Speaker 2: or are at home, there's not as much to talk about.
[14:43] Speaker 2: And I think that's because we were so consumed by
[14:46] Speaker 2: the kids. There was always lots to talk about with
[14:48] Speaker 2: the kids because we got four. So you can imagine
[14:51] Speaker 2: the kind of trouble that caused. There's always something to
[14:54] Speaker 2: talk about, always something to negotiate, always something to plan.
[14:58] Speaker 2: Whereas we don't have that now. We have work. You know,
[15:02] Speaker 2: you were saying in our friendship episode about getting a hobby,
[15:05] Speaker 2: joining a club, something like that. I feel like maybe
[15:09] Speaker 2: that's something that Nev and I need to do together.
[15:12] Speaker 1: Temp and bowling.
[15:13] Speaker 2: Oh, my Lord, I couldn't think of anything worse.
[15:19] Speaker 1: No temp and bowling for you?
[15:20] Speaker 2: No temp and bowling for me.
[15:21] Speaker 1: What about a book club?
[15:22] Speaker 2: Is he a book club kind of man? Look, honestly,
[15:25] Speaker 2: the whole time that we've been together, I don't think
[15:27] Speaker 2: he's ever finished a book.
[15:29] Speaker 1: Is that right?
[15:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't have the concentration to finish a book.
[15:32] Speaker 2: Definitely not. Like, I'm thinking something like... Dance. Yeah, dance class.
[15:38] Speaker 2: You know what? He would love that.
[15:39] Speaker 1: Would he?
[15:40] Speaker 2: He loves a boogie. He would actually kind of like that,
[15:42] Speaker 2: I think. Maybe that's something I can do.
[15:44] Speaker 1: There's your challenge.
[15:46] Speaker 2: A little chilly challenge. You can.
[15:48] Speaker 1: We want video evidence.
[15:49] Speaker 2: No, God, stop it. Of a dance class.
[15:51] Speaker 1: Of a dance class. And then we want you to
[15:54] Speaker 1: talk about it. Okay.
[15:55] Speaker 2: Let's do something. I wonder where I'd find said dance class.
[15:58] Speaker 2: That's interesting.
[15:59] Speaker 1: Well, we can Google it.
[16:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, I can Google. Yeah, I can Google that. Yeah,
[16:03] Speaker 2: I think that's maybe something. Should we challenge a wing woman?
[16:08] Speaker 1: Absolutely. To a date night.
[16:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, a date night.
[16:13] Speaker 1: Without the phones. Yes.
[16:14] Speaker 2: Leave the phones in the car. But not a usual
[16:16] Speaker 2: date night. Something different to what you would normally do.
[16:21] Speaker 2: So if you normally go out for dinner, it can't
[16:22] Speaker 2: be a dinner date. If you normally go to the movies,
[16:25] Speaker 2: it can't be a movie night. Something different to what
[16:27] Speaker 2: you would normally do. Love it. That's the challenge.
[16:30] Speaker 1: That's so nice. And I think that just connects the
[16:34] Speaker 1: little jar where you can choose a date.
[16:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[16:36] Speaker 1: So you'd write on little pieces of paper.
[16:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[16:40] Speaker 1: Pop them in the jar.
[16:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[16:41] Speaker 1: And then once a week or once a fortnight, once
[16:44] Speaker 1: a month, whenever you're going on your date night, you
[16:46] Speaker 1: just choose one out of the jar.
[16:47] Speaker 2: What if it's not something I want to do?
[16:49] Speaker 1: Well, that's called compromise.
[16:51] Speaker 2: Yes. You think we've established that I'm not very good
[16:54] Speaker 2: at that.
[16:55] Speaker 1: I know, but that's going to be your little challenge.
[16:58] Speaker 2: It will be my little challenge. How am I going
[17:00] Speaker 2: to come up with the ideas?
[17:01] Speaker 1: Well, I think. You just write dancing on every single
[17:04] Speaker 1: one of them. So you don't even have to worry.
[17:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
[17:08] Speaker 1: It's all there.
[17:08] Speaker 2: What if he puts something on there that I don't
[17:10] Speaker 2: want to do? He won't, though. He'll do all the
[17:12] Speaker 2: things that I love.
[17:13] Speaker 1: Really?
[17:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's such a nice person. And I'm such
[17:17] Speaker 2: a bitch.
[17:18] Speaker 1: Oh, well, that's not very nice, saying that about yourself.
[17:21] Speaker 2: No, but actually, I feel like he's the nice person
[17:23] Speaker 2: in our relationship. No.
[17:25] Speaker 1: Lovely.
[17:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it says about me, but
[17:28] Speaker 2: it says how nice he is.
[17:29] Speaker 1: But he loves you and is wanting to please you
[17:31] Speaker 1: and do the things you want to do. Yeah, he's lovely.
[17:34] Speaker 2: He's so kind and so nice.
[17:35] Speaker 1: There you go.
[17:36] Speaker 2: There you go. All right, I'll do it.
[17:39] Speaker 1: Well done.
[17:39] Speaker 2: I'll do it.
[17:40] Speaker 1: And we want video evidence, please. Okay, righty-o.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Next week, episode eight. It's a bit of a continuation
[17:47] Speaker 2: of this one. It's our children have grown up and
[17:51] Speaker 2: now who the hell are we?
[17:54] Speaker 1: It's going to be very deep.
[17:56] Speaker 2: It is going to be deep because, like, I'm in
[17:58] Speaker 2: the thick of it and you've been through it.
[18:00] Speaker 1: I'm out the other side, baby. I know.
[18:02] Speaker 2: I need some advice from my mentor.
[18:04] Speaker 1: Oh, look, I'm here to help you in any way
[18:07] Speaker 1: I can. But just to let you know, just a
[18:09] Speaker 1: little disclaimer, we have had one return to the nest.
[18:11] Speaker 1: So we are semi-empty nesters.
[18:12] Speaker 2: All right.
[18:13] Speaker 1: See you next week. See you.

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