# Kiss Jake Shane, Marry Richard E. Grant & F*ck A Real Live Alien

An episode of [In The Comments](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6793845965), 6 Oct 2026, 44 min.

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Wait lol I don't think that's the game. We're breaking down this week on the internet, so give your thumbs a rest from scrolling and picture the glimmer in Richard E. Grant's eyes to calm your soul. There are 3 things we have to cover: • Jake Shane. You probably love him, you've definitely consumed his content at some point, but is his internet persona a facade? We realised today that we miiiight not know the successful 20-something as well as we thought we did. • Sir Richard E. Grant is on the new season of Celebrity Traitors and holy moly if we didn't already adore him, we sure do now. He's got this interesting way of using social media that we want to examine, because we don't think anyone can truly replicate it. • Plus: Aliens are real and no one is talking about it. GUYS. The CIA literally confirmed that they found aliens (allegedly) and no one gives a f*ck. One of us is a skeptic and the other is fully ready to embrace interplanetary travel. Aaaand a listener story that poses the question: Did he ghost me, or is he just in jail? Love you superstars, see you in the comments xxxx THE END BITS DM us your craziest stories @ inthecommentspod on Instagram. HOSTED BY: Olivia James and Olivia Colman SOCIAL PRODUCER: Jess Chan CREATED AND PRODUCED BY: Coco Lavigne GROUP EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Olivia James SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY: The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Maybe we'll just have this as an option that's a
[0:05] Speaker 1: bit less crude. There are certain foods that I would
[0:09] Speaker 1: want to motorboat.
[0:10] Speaker 2: Right.
[0:11] Speaker 3: Less crude. Yeah.
[0:14] Speaker 1: What's up superstars welcome to in the comments and we're
[0:17] Speaker 1: talking about everything that's happened on our for you page
[0:20] Speaker 1: this is Liv James and you are.
[0:22] Speaker 3: Liv Coleman yes that kind of freaked me out I
[0:24] Speaker 3: didn't know what was going on thank you thank you
[0:28] Speaker 3: for having me well guys today we're going to talk
[0:31] Speaker 3: about a lot of things but the first thing I
[0:32] Speaker 3: want to talk about is Jake Shane what do you
[0:38] Speaker 3: know about Jake Shane.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Bruh Good question. I know, obviously, internet personality. He's got
[0:44] Speaker 1: his own podcast, Therapus.
[0:46] Speaker 2: Yes.
[0:47] Speaker 1: And he's like every influencer's wet dream.
[0:50] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[0:50] Speaker 1: He's like.
[0:51] Speaker 3: is so well connected with the Gen Z kind of
[0:55] Speaker 3: demographic of influences. I genuinely don't think that there's anyone
[1:00] Speaker 3: that could be the president of the internet unless it
[1:02] Speaker 3: was him. He has so many connections. He's on our
[1:06] Speaker 3: board multiple times. We've added him there, there, there.
[1:09] Speaker 1: We should have him on.
[1:10] Speaker 3: We should have him on.
[1:11] Speaker 1: Jake, you want to come on?
[1:12] Speaker 3: Are you coming to Australia?
[1:13] Speaker 1: You know, come on. We should try and get Trisha
[1:16] Speaker 1: on when she comes. That would be so fun.
[1:18] Speaker 3: Oh my God. anyway i've done a deep dive into
[1:21] Speaker 3: jake shane yes and you might think oh what what
[1:25] Speaker 3: is there to deep dive this kid has law so
[1:28] Speaker 3: much law which i don't really know about so jake
[1:31] Speaker 3: shane for the people that actually don't know who he
[1:33] Speaker 3: is he is an influencer that blew up on tiktok
[1:35] Speaker 3: around 2023 he was doing those historical reenactments yeah he
[1:40] Speaker 3: kind of would get a comment where Someone would be like,
[1:43] Speaker 3: can you pretend to be the Mona Lisa sitting there
[1:46] Speaker 3: getting painted? And he would do these really funny kind
[1:50] Speaker 3: of modernized versions of these historic figures and they went
[1:53] Speaker 3: absolutely viral. And within.
[1:56] Speaker 1: Doesn't he do it with his like three girlfriends, like
[1:58] Speaker 1: his little posse. I love them as a group.
[2:01] Speaker 3: Yeah. So he would have a friend filming him and
[2:03] Speaker 3: then behind the scenes you could always hear a girlfriend
[2:06] Speaker 3: laughing and going along with what he was doing.
[2:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:09] Speaker 3: He was really good at making community, I feel. Like
[2:11] Speaker 3: you always felt like you were a part of their gang.
[2:14] Speaker 3: They had a really cool friend group. For sure. So
[2:17] Speaker 3: that happened in 2023. And I think within eight days,
[2:20] Speaker 3: he went from like 100,000 followers to a million. So
[2:24] Speaker 3: he blew up really, really quickly. So obviously all that
[2:27] Speaker 3: fame led to him having a really famous podcast that
[2:30] Speaker 3: everyone knows him for now. And that's called Therapus. Do
[2:33] Speaker 3: you know why it's called Therapus?
[2:35] Speaker 1: Um, he calls his viewers like pussies or something, right?
[2:38] Speaker 3: Do you know why?
[2:39] Speaker 4: No.
[2:39] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:39] Speaker 3: So he started social media with an account that was
[2:43] Speaker 3: called past that puss because he would go and do
[2:47] Speaker 3: octopus food reviews because that was his favorite food.
[2:50] Speaker 1: That's so random.
[2:51] Speaker 4: I know.
[2:52] Speaker 3: So then he just kept that username and then it's
[2:54] Speaker 3: become what it is. And now he has like a
[2:56] Speaker 3: room full of octopus teddies and he has theropus. He
[3:00] Speaker 3: would rate the octopus out of eight tentacles. The first
[3:05] Speaker 3: one that went absolutely viral was the one that he
[3:07] Speaker 3: did of Bill Clinton denying the Monica Lewinsky affair. And
[3:11] Speaker 3: then he's done an interview later and he goes, I
[3:13] Speaker 3: don't really remember that one going off, but I remember
[3:16] Speaker 3: that he did one of like a George Washington thing.
[3:19] Speaker 3: And he goes, sorry, that was hard for me to
[3:21] Speaker 3: say too.
[3:24] Speaker 5: What the hell okay guys like the more I live
[3:29] Speaker 5: the more I'm like the more I don't know I
[3:31] Speaker 5: don't yeah the more I don't know and the more
[3:33] Speaker 5: I'm sure that I have a speech impediment.
[3:35] Speaker 1: Honestly you and I both think I can you catch
[3:37] Speaker 1: it from people I think I've caught it from you
[3:43] Speaker 1: or you've caught it from me you've caught my speech.
[3:45] Speaker 3: Impediment anyway so then people started like commenting like increasingly
[3:50] Speaker 3: ridiculous things for him to reenact.
[3:52] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:53] Speaker 3: And it got really fun. I think it's honestly one
[3:55] Speaker 3: of the best ways that someone's become famous.
[3:57] Speaker 1: Definitely.
[3:57] Speaker 3: I think it's just, he just stood in his house.
[4:00] Speaker 3: He did improv. He didn't dress up. He just, it
[4:02] Speaker 3: was like, if I, I'm actually going to do it
[4:04] Speaker 3: with you right now.
[4:04] Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
[4:05] Speaker 1: Because I want us to try.
[4:06] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
[4:07] Speaker 4: Okay.
[4:08] Speaker 3: I want you to imagine you're Jake Shane. I've just
[4:09] Speaker 3: commented on your video being like, can you please improv
[4:13] Speaker 3: being the first person to realize milk comes out of
[4:15] Speaker 3: cow's tits?
[4:17] Speaker 1: Oh, my God, the first person. Has he done this before?
[4:19] Speaker 3: I don't think so.
[4:20] Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
[4:21] Speaker 3: But, like, do you want some props? Like, this can
[4:23] Speaker 3: be the utter.
[4:26] Speaker 1: Nice little cow. It's not quite a horse. I can't
[4:30] Speaker 1: ride it. Why do cows do not make that sound?
[4:34] Speaker 1: It's really turning me off.
[4:36] Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say on.
[4:38] Speaker 1: No. What else can I do with you, my little friend?
[4:45] Speaker 1: These are interesting.
[4:46] Speaker 3: I like how I've embodied the cow. I've become the cow.
[4:51] Speaker 4: Ooh. Ooh. Ooh.
[4:52] Speaker 2: No.
[4:57] Speaker 3: Calcium wow you're a really smart person i just knew
[5:03] Speaker 3: it okay what would you do can i give you
[5:04] Speaker 3: one well i have other ones.
[5:06] Speaker 1: Yeah can you reenact one for the viewers you need
[5:09] Speaker 1: to see this because it's quite limiting being on a
[5:12] Speaker 1: podcast and yeah how do.
[5:13] Speaker 3: You ask if you're listening to this segment watch what
[5:15] Speaker 3: we just did i'm gonna do the person who invented
[5:18] Speaker 3: kissing pitching it to.
[5:19] Speaker 1: Everyone Oh, see, this is great. I love that.
[5:22] Speaker 3: All right. So just like kind of start a convo
[5:25] Speaker 3: with me.
[5:25] Speaker 1: So I really love my partner and I'm just wondering
[5:30] Speaker 1: how to like create a bit more affection.
[5:33] Speaker 3: I've come up with this idea kind of thing.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[5:36] Speaker 3: I think like I just am like when I look
[5:39] Speaker 3: at someone, I just want to like suck them.
[5:42] Speaker 4: Oh.
[5:42] Speaker 3: Suck. Oh.
[5:45] Speaker 1: Like a vampire?
[5:46] Speaker 3: Suck their, no, their mouth. Okay. And put my tongue
[5:49] Speaker 3: on their tongue and it creates this kind of tingle.
[5:52] Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
[5:53] Speaker 1: Okay.
[5:53] Speaker 3: Does that scare you?
[5:55] Speaker 1: Um, a little bit. Because sucking feels a bit violent.
[5:58] Speaker 2: No.
[5:59] Speaker 3: Gentle sucking.
[6:00] Speaker 1: Gentle sucking.
[6:01] Speaker 3: Supple sucking.
[6:03] Speaker 1: The eye contact is crazy.
[6:04] Speaker 3: Suppleness and suck.
[6:07] Speaker 1: Can you demonstrate?
[6:08] Speaker 3: You go, supple.
[6:12] Speaker 1: That wasn't a lot of sucking.
[6:15] Speaker 3: I want to do the first caveman to introduce gossip, okay?
[6:18] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[6:19] Speaker 3: I'm going to be the caveman.
[6:21] Speaker 2: Okay.
[6:21] Speaker 1: And then who am I? Another caveman? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[6:25] Speaker 4: Hey.
[6:25] Speaker 3: How are you going?
[6:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been good.
[6:29] Speaker 3: Have you been running around a lot today?
[6:30] Speaker 2: A little bit.
[6:31] Speaker 1: I just got some firewood.
[6:34] Speaker 3: I've seen how much you've done for the community.
[6:37] Speaker 1: Thanks, you know.
[6:38] Speaker 3: Do you know who hasn't done much today?
[6:42] Speaker 2: Oh, no.
[6:43] Speaker 4: Fuck.
[6:43] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Go on.
[6:45] Speaker 2: Terry.
[6:46] Speaker 1: Terry.
[6:47] Speaker 3: Terry's done fuck all. Terry's done fuck all today.
[6:51] Speaker 1: Well, he's been sleeping in a lot.
[6:54] Speaker 3: Fucking Terry.
[6:55] Speaker 1: But we shouldn't be mean.
[6:56] Speaker 3: What the fuck's he doing? Why should we not be
[7:00] Speaker 3: mean to Terry? Name one reason why.
[7:02] Speaker 1: Does it go against our moral code?
[7:04] Speaker 3: What's our moral code?
[7:06] Speaker 1: You're right.
[7:08] Speaker 3: Have you seen a cow give birth?
[7:10] Speaker 1: I have. Only on video, like TikTok.
[7:12] Speaker 3: I've seen it in real life.
[7:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. And how do you feel?
[7:14] Speaker 4: Violent.
[7:15] Speaker 3: It's violent. It's a genuine violent act.
[7:18] Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, females giving birth. Animals, when I'm like,
[7:23] Speaker 1: they have limbs, bro. Bro?
[7:25] Speaker 2: Hard limbs.
[7:26] Speaker 1: I know humans have limbs, but like.
[7:28] Speaker 3: It is one of the most violent things I've ever seen.
[7:31] Speaker 3: They come out as like a full-born toddler. And they
[7:34] Speaker 3: make noises like the one I was making.
[7:35] Speaker 1: They're like. When they're giving birth?
[7:39] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
[7:40] Speaker 3: So after I was like investigating Jake and looking at
[7:43] Speaker 3: all of his background and where he came from, because
[7:45] Speaker 3: he does, he is well connected. I was like, who
[7:48] Speaker 3: the hell is this guy's parents? Now, his parents are
[7:52] Speaker 3: actually quite interesting. His dad is a writer and he
[7:57] Speaker 3: wrote iconic TV shows and movies that you would know
[8:02] Speaker 3: from being a child.
[8:03] Speaker 2: Like what?
[8:04] Speaker 3: He wrote Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen's movie, Switching Goals.
[8:08] Speaker 1: Never seen it.
[8:09] Speaker 3: And then he also wrote the Disney film Model Behavior,
[8:12] Speaker 3: which was Justin Timberlake's first ever movie.
[8:15] Speaker 1: Oh, I do remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[8:17] Speaker 3: Jake revealed this on the Jonas Brothers podcast. And it's
[8:20] Speaker 3: the first time that he's ever publicly spoken about it.
[8:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[8:23] Speaker 3: And then he spoke about how his dad supported him
[8:25] Speaker 3: and kind of helped him through the processes of like
[8:28] Speaker 3: the creativeness of his job and what decisions he should
[8:31] Speaker 3: be making. Because Jake's now writing a TV show as well.
[8:34] Speaker 3: So he speaks to his dad a lot about that.
[8:36] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[8:37] Speaker 3: His dad actually said something that I feel like a
[8:39] Speaker 3: lot of people our age should really listen to, especially
[8:43] Speaker 3: like maybe us. Jake said that some of the best
[8:46] Speaker 3: advice that his dad ever gave him was his dad
[8:49] Speaker 3: was talking about himself. And his dad said, I worried
[8:52] Speaker 3: a lot about being respected too much early in my career.
[8:54] Speaker 3: And that hindered me later instead of just doing things
[8:57] Speaker 3: that worked and the things that I was good at
[8:59] Speaker 3: and not caring about the respect aspect. And I think
[9:01] Speaker 3: that really hindered me.
[9:03] Speaker 2: Aww.
[9:04] Speaker 3: How interesting is that?
[9:04] Speaker 1: That's so interesting, yeah.
[9:06] Speaker 3: And when you look at Jake's career, I think he's
[9:07] Speaker 3: been really good at being kind of not doing everything conventionally.
[9:11] Speaker 2: No, yeah.
[9:12] Speaker 3: He's just done what he's good at and he's really
[9:14] Speaker 3: excelled at that.
[9:15] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[9:16] Speaker 3: And I think it's really interesting that he's had people
[9:17] Speaker 3: in the back end supporting him and telling him to
[9:19] Speaker 3: do that.
[9:20] Speaker 1: I think it is interesting, though, when you look at, like,
[9:23] Speaker 1: how he has been sort of cancelled before, like the vanity.
[9:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[9:28] Speaker 1: And it's interesting how it's like, okay, He's clearly not perfect.
[9:33] Speaker 3: He's not.
[9:34] Speaker 1: But he's got his own sense of humor and his
[9:36] Speaker 1: own way of interviewing people. And that's probably why he's
[9:39] Speaker 1: also become very successful.
[9:41] Speaker 3: Absolutely. His mom is also a really famous journalist. She
[9:45] Speaker 3: writes for the Washington Post.
[9:46] Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
[9:46] Speaker 3: So he's a bit of like, he's within the industry.
[9:49] Speaker 3: He grew up within the industry. So it's not crazy
[9:52] Speaker 3: that he's got where he is.
[9:54] Speaker 1: Totally.
[9:54] Speaker 3: The friends fun fact that you mentioned is true. He's
[9:57] Speaker 3: got like four friends that are in part, like a
[9:59] Speaker 3: part of this girl group i'd say there's julia brett
[10:02] Speaker 3: payton and then alice alice is the interesting one because
[10:05] Speaker 3: when everyone says how does jake have such a big
[10:08] Speaker 3: crew it's because he went to uni and he met
[10:12] Speaker 3: well college And he met all of these girls there
[10:15] Speaker 3: and Alice Grange was one of them. And Alice Grange
[10:18] Speaker 3: is the sister of Elliot Grange who was married to
[10:21] Speaker 3: Sophia Ritchie. So that was an immediate in for Jake
[10:25] Speaker 3: because his best friend was a part of a massive
[10:27] Speaker 3: successful family.
[10:28] Speaker 1: It's funny how these people always find themselves to be
[10:32] Speaker 1: in the same room as each other.
[10:33] Speaker 3: It's so weird. Like how it's all just, it's just
[10:36] Speaker 3: a small world. The more I live, the more I
[10:38] Speaker 3: see how small the world really is.
[10:40] Speaker 1: Especially when you become that level of famous.
[10:42] Speaker 3: Exactly. And then Alice is consistently a part of his life.
[10:47] Speaker 3: She still is. But then Peyton and Julia are really
[10:51] Speaker 3: good friends with Alex Earl and her sister, which means
[10:54] Speaker 3: Jake and Alex Earl are all really good friends. One
[10:57] Speaker 3: thing I saw the other day, which I thought was
[10:59] Speaker 3: really interesting because obviously the controversy between Alex Earl and
[11:02] Speaker 3: Alex Cooper has been massive.
[11:03] Speaker 1: You reposted this. I did. Oh my God, I know
[11:06] Speaker 1: exactly what you're about to say.
[11:07] Speaker 3: Because I thought it was the best take.
[11:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, it is such a good take.
[11:11] Speaker 3: Someone, when they were talking about the controversy of Alex
[11:14] Speaker 3: Earl and Alex Cooper, they were like, I have one
[11:16] Speaker 3: thing to say and one thing only. Alex Cooper's best
[11:19] Speaker 3: guy friend is Harry Jowsey. And Alex Earls is Jake Shane.
[11:24] Speaker 1: Case closed.
[11:25] Speaker 3: I thought it was one of the smartest things I'd
[11:27] Speaker 3: ever heard in my life.
[11:29] Speaker 1: And if you know the internet, you know these people
[11:31] Speaker 1: and you know where they stand.
[11:32] Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I was like, do you know what? You
[11:34] Speaker 3: could say that in front of a jury of Gen
[11:36] Speaker 3: Zs and we'd be like, yeah.
[11:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[11:38] Speaker 3: Done yeah the last thing that I would like to
[11:40] Speaker 3: talk about oh no I actually have two more things
[11:42] Speaker 3: I'd like to talk about with Jake he is a
[11:45] Speaker 3: chief creative officer of a company and this isn't a
[11:47] Speaker 3: company that he found or that he has anything to
[11:50] Speaker 3: do with he just in February 2026 was announced the
[11:54] Speaker 3: chief creative officer of a lolly company which.
[11:57] Speaker 1: Is called that would be you yeah I genuinely was
[12:02] Speaker 1: jealous I was like what the hell that's great how
[12:04] Speaker 1: do you say this Kat Jess K-A-T- J-E-S. It's like
[12:10] Speaker 1: J catches?
[12:12] Speaker 3: I don't think we have the lollies in Australia, but
[12:14] Speaker 3: I think they're massive in America. And in true Lady
[12:17] Speaker 3: Gaga style, do you know what I'm talking about? Because
[12:21] Speaker 3: a lot of the times all these celebrities will like,
[12:24] Speaker 3: or influencers will be appointed chief creative officers of these
[12:27] Speaker 3: brands like Gaga. And she was appointed the chief creative
[12:31] Speaker 3: officer of Polaroid, which ignited that really famous meme of
[12:34] Speaker 3: Kanye going, I like Gaga songs, but what the fuck
[12:37] Speaker 3: does she know about cameras?
[12:39] Speaker 1: True. Yeah.
[12:41] Speaker 3: So Jake has kind of, gone down that route and
[12:44] Speaker 3: it's actually quite a common route alicia keys did it
[12:46] Speaker 3: as well for blackberry which i thought was quite interesting
[12:49] Speaker 3: but it's a bit of.
[12:49] Speaker 1: A win-win like they get more promotion and he gets
[12:52] Speaker 1: more money.
[12:52] Speaker 3: Yeah and i think it came from the fact that
[12:54] Speaker 3: he was just very open about loving the lollies and
[12:56] Speaker 3: then they came in isn't that crazy though he's an
[12:58] Speaker 3: influencer he got he got famous from posting skit videos
[13:02] Speaker 3: he's just friends with heaps of famous people and then
[13:04] Speaker 3: a huge company has gone do you know what you
[13:06] Speaker 3: can have the role that's one of the most important
[13:08] Speaker 3: roles in the company but i don't know if he's
[13:10] Speaker 3: doing much But like, it's like, it's so interesting that
[13:15] Speaker 3: that's now the way the world works. He's my age.
[13:17] Speaker 3: He's only, he's like two months older than me. He's
[13:19] Speaker 3: 26 years old. And then he's become the chief creative
[13:22] Speaker 3: officer of a lolly brand, like an international lolly brand. Um, but,
[13:27] Speaker 3: As I said, that's quite a similar path that a
[13:29] Speaker 3: lot of celebrities have taken. I don't think Lady Gaga
[13:32] Speaker 3: is still the creative officer of Polaroid, but it made
[13:36] Speaker 3: me think about other celebrities and what they should be
[13:39] Speaker 3: the chief creative officer for. I've got a few for you.
[13:43] Speaker 3: I want you to mark me on how well I've
[13:44] Speaker 3: done here because I think that I've done really well.
[13:46] Speaker 1: Mark you out of five or ten?
[13:49] Speaker 3: Or just be like, yeah, I like that. Or no,
[13:51] Speaker 3: I don't.
[13:52] Speaker 4: A plus.
[13:54] Speaker 3: I think Robert Pattinson, our boy that loves to tell
[13:57] Speaker 3: a little fib and a lie for fun, should be
[14:00] Speaker 3: the chief creative officer of Wikipedia.
[14:02] Speaker 1: Oh, that's beautiful. I love that. That's great.
[14:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, because facts, he doesn't need facts. They're not needed
[14:09] Speaker 3: for him.
[14:09] Speaker 1: He wouldn't even really need to do much promotion for
[14:11] Speaker 1: that either.
[14:11] Speaker 3: No, he'd just be like, you know what guys, this
[14:14] Speaker 3: is like my way of life.
[14:15] Speaker 1: Wikipedia.
[14:16] Speaker 3: It's like, is it true or is it not? No
[14:18] Speaker 3: one knows. Or if we want to be really cheeky
[14:20] Speaker 3: and in the zeitgeist, he should be the chief creative
[14:23] Speaker 3: officer of Theranos.
[14:25] Speaker 1: That's so bad.
[14:26] Speaker 3: The Elizabeth Holmes company that completely lied about their healthcare practices.
[14:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[14:31] Speaker 1: Um, anyway, how would you do promotion for that?
[14:35] Speaker 3: Just be out here going, Hey guys, it works. Um,
[14:40] Speaker 3: Kris Jenner should be the CEO, um, chief creative officer
[14:43] Speaker 3: of ancestry.com.
[14:45] Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah.
[14:47] Speaker 3: Harry Styles should be the chief creative officer of Strava.
[14:50] Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
[14:51] Speaker 3: That's actually smart. And I genuinely think they should get
[14:53] Speaker 3: in there and do a collab with him.
[14:54] Speaker 1: They really should. Same as like Paul Muskell.
[14:56] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
[14:57] Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
[14:58] Speaker 1: Oh, just all these boys.
[14:59] Speaker 3: Get us on the creative team. Yes.
[15:01] Speaker 1: How smart would that be? In their short shorts. Yes.
[15:03] Speaker 3: Lewis Hamilton should be the chief creative officer of Uber.
[15:08] Speaker 1: Oh my God.
[15:08] Speaker 3: I thought that was really funny. Sabrina Carpenter, chief creative
[15:14] Speaker 3: officer of Polly Pockets.
[15:16] Speaker 1: Cute.
[15:17] Speaker 3: I thought that was cute. I genuinely believe that they
[15:20] Speaker 3: should all go and do a bit of work experience
[15:21] Speaker 3: in those roles. I think those companies would absolutely thrive.
[15:25] Speaker 1: Wow. Richard E. Grant.
[15:28] Speaker 3: Oh, I love him.
[15:29] Speaker 1: We love him.
[15:30] Speaker 3: He's so cute.
[15:32] Speaker 1: I was trying to find a way to describe this man.
[15:35] Speaker 1: His latest video was actually about his wife and I
[15:38] Speaker 1: think it was their five year anniversary since her death.
[15:41] Speaker 1: And it was like a beautiful video. And one of
[15:44] Speaker 1: the comments was, I'm overwhelmed by the sparkle in your eye,
[15:47] Speaker 1: like a prism radiating rainbows everywhere. And I was like,
[15:50] Speaker 1: that is a beautiful way to describe this man.
[15:53] Speaker 3: A stranger commented on his video and said that.
[15:55] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[15:56] Speaker 3: For the people that don't know, who is he though?
[15:58] Speaker 1: So he's a famous actor. He's been in a lot
[16:01] Speaker 1: of films like With Nell and I. He had an
[16:03] Speaker 1: Oscar nominated film called Can You Ever Forgive Me? Which
[16:06] Speaker 1: when he got nominated, he's not suave. He literally... got
[16:11] Speaker 1: so excited and would do all these videos about it.
[16:14] Speaker 1: He's just such a beautiful, infectious person.
[16:16] Speaker 3: So that was recently?
[16:17] Speaker 1: I think that was 2019. Oh, okay. So he had
[16:20] Speaker 1: social media then too. He's also very like, He is.
[16:25] Speaker 1: And he doesn't take himself seriously at all. Richard Grant
[16:28] Speaker 1: has a very unique way of using social media that
[16:30] Speaker 1: I want to examine because a lot of creators fail
[16:32] Speaker 1: when they try and turn like whimsy into a lesson.
[16:35] Speaker 1: He's innately whimsical and innately wise. So there's three types
[16:39] Speaker 1: of content he does, which I love. The first one
[16:42] Speaker 1: is Video Diaries. Okay. This is his main format.
[16:46] Speaker 3: Yes.
[16:46] Speaker 1: He will usually start a video by being like, hello there. Yeah.
[16:50] Speaker 1: The interesting thing is he never like stages his joy.
[16:53] Speaker 4: No.
[16:53] Speaker 1: It comes across as so genuine.
[16:55] Speaker 3: And authentic. Yeah.
[16:57] Speaker 1: And I love him.
[16:57] Speaker 3: And never pre-planned like everything. I do encourage everyone to
[17:01] Speaker 3: go onto his Instagram account because it makes you... It
[17:05] Speaker 3: actually makes you feel things. Maybe if you're in a
[17:08] Speaker 3: rough spot, probably don't do it. I remember having to
[17:12] Speaker 3: mute him once when I was not feeling happy because
[17:15] Speaker 3: I was like, no, he makes me feel too much.
[17:17] Speaker 3: I was trying to numb myself, but he's a really
[17:21] Speaker 3: nice way of remembering all the feelings of life.
[17:26] Speaker 1: It's like being on FaceTime with your friend.
[17:28] Speaker 3: Yes.
[17:28] Speaker 1: The way he opens up every video. And the second
[17:31] Speaker 1: one is that like whimsical, eccentric vibe that he has.
[17:35] Speaker 1: He has this like boyish obsession with like scents. Like
[17:40] Speaker 1: he'll go on a walk and he'll be like sniffing bark.
[17:43] Speaker 1: He once said in a thing, I'm a lifelong scent obsessive.
[17:47] Speaker 1: I sniff everything. Bark, flowers, leather, old books. If it
[17:51] Speaker 1: has a smell, my nose is in it. And so
[17:54] Speaker 1: the third type is his lessons about life, grief, love.
[17:59] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
[17:59] Speaker 1: Who talk about Joanne in a way that as if
[18:01] Speaker 1: she's like still there and she's very much like present
[18:04] Speaker 1: in his videos.
[18:05] Speaker 3: Have you read much of Joan Didion's work?
[18:07] Speaker 1: I love her, yeah.
[18:08] Speaker 3: I actually feel Richard is the Instagram version of Joan.
[18:12] Speaker 3: I feel the girls that love her should absolutely follow
[18:15] Speaker 3: him because the way he speaks about grief is very
[18:18] Speaker 3: similar to the way she writes about it, almost like
[18:20] Speaker 3: it's this entity that is chained to your wrist.
[18:23] Speaker 1: Well, his book that Richard wrote is called Pocketful of Happiness,
[18:26] Speaker 1: which is based on a phrase that his wife, used
[18:29] Speaker 1: to say a lot and I think it's about just
[18:32] Speaker 1: like taking those like pocket full of and that's what
[18:34] Speaker 1: you see in his videos like he'll be on a
[18:36] Speaker 1: walk and he'll whip out a camera and he'll be
[18:37] Speaker 1: like oh this like flower reminded me of this and
[18:41] Speaker 1: it's like so cute it's.
[18:42] Speaker 3: So cute and I feel like they both do an
[18:44] Speaker 3: excellent way of speaking about grief in a way that
[18:46] Speaker 3: it's not something that they love or they hate no
[18:49] Speaker 3: it's something that's there that they're willing to accept to live.
[18:51] Speaker 1: With yeah a lot of creators like try and convert
[18:53] Speaker 1: like joy into like authority like yeah oh you can't
[18:56] Speaker 1: just be whimsical like here's the hacks of how to
[18:58] Speaker 1: like live your life and be the healthiest where it's
[19:01] Speaker 1: like There are some people who are just not curating
[19:04] Speaker 1: anything and being happy.
[19:06] Speaker 3: That's exactly it. I think it's just that rules don't
[19:09] Speaker 3: exist for them in this world of the internet. So
[19:11] Speaker 3: they do whatever they want. I even said to you
[19:13] Speaker 3: a few days ago, oh, when I'm like 60, I
[19:15] Speaker 3: want to bleach my hair and go bubblegum pink.
[19:18] Speaker 1: That's literally what I was going to say.
[19:19] Speaker 3: And I was like, why? What's making me not want
[19:22] Speaker 3: to do that right now?
[19:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[19:23] Speaker 1: And I asked you that.
[19:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. And I didn't have a good answer for you then.
[19:27] Speaker 1: I still don't.
[19:28] Speaker 3: And it's all these things. I think there's a freedom
[19:30] Speaker 3: that comes with aging. Like I remember being at a
[19:32] Speaker 3: beach once and I saw this woman come out of
[19:34] Speaker 3: the ocean. She looked really like quite normal. And then
[19:36] Speaker 3: she turned around, she was in like a speedo thing.
[19:38] Speaker 3: She'd just been doing like normal exercise. She turned around,
[19:42] Speaker 3: she had the biggest back tat of a tiger coming
[19:44] Speaker 3: out of like, um, coming out of like the jungle,
[19:47] Speaker 3: like out of the leaves. yeah and I ever since
[19:49] Speaker 3: I saw that when I must have been like 14
[19:51] Speaker 3: I was like you know what I'm gonna do that
[19:53] Speaker 3: when I'm old.
[19:55] Speaker 1: The thing is I because I'm very I have a
[19:57] Speaker 1: quite a perfectionist mind and I'm like I would love
[20:00] Speaker 1: the idea of having a tattoo maybe multiple yeah but
[20:04] Speaker 1: I'm like oh but like when I'm older I'm not
[20:06] Speaker 1: sure if I would like it But maybe it doesn't
[20:08] Speaker 1: even matter then.
[20:08] Speaker 4: I know.
[20:09] Speaker 3: So you just wait when you're old and if you
[20:10] Speaker 3: still want it, then you'll like it.
[20:12] Speaker 1: Or maybe you should just do it now because none
[20:13] Speaker 1: of this ever matters anyway.
[20:15] Speaker 4: True.
[20:15] Speaker 3: The other thing that I said when I was thinking
[20:17] Speaker 3: about like what kind of things would I do when
[20:19] Speaker 3: I was old, I think I would like unironically wear grills.
[20:26] Speaker 1: You know what I really want to do though? I
[20:27] Speaker 1: want to have like hair to my bum and it
[20:31] Speaker 1: just be grey. I never want to dye my hair.
[20:33] Speaker 3: I think grey hair is so chic.
[20:34] Speaker 1: I think grey hair is beautiful.
[20:36] Speaker 3: Speaking of aging, it leads us into something that we
[20:39] Speaker 3: were recently talking about, and that is the kind of
[20:42] Speaker 3: concept of life stats. The concept is quite viral. People
[20:46] Speaker 3: talk about it online. People like to imagine when you
[20:49] Speaker 3: go up to the pearly gates of heaven and you're
[20:51] Speaker 3: there and you're about to walk through, they say, hey,
[20:54] Speaker 3: here are your player stats. Here are things that you
[20:57] Speaker 3: can ask us anything and we'll tell you how many times,
[20:59] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[21:00] Speaker 1: You farted. Yeah. How many tears you shed. Yes, exactly.
[21:04] Speaker 3: And we have both been tasked with coming up with
[21:09] Speaker 3: the stats that we would like. Do you want to
[21:11] Speaker 3: tell me yours?
[21:12] Speaker 1: And you know what? This is good questions to ask
[21:13] Speaker 1: when you're like, small talk, boring. Yeah.
[21:15] Speaker 3: This is a really good one.
[21:17] Speaker 1: So one of mine was, I enter the pearly gates.
[21:21] Speaker 1: I'm asking, can I have a global ranking of how
[21:25] Speaker 1: successful your life is compared to every parallel universe version
[21:29] Speaker 1: of yourself?
[21:29] Speaker 4: Oh.
[21:30] Speaker 1: Because I do, it's not that I believe in parallel universes,
[21:34] Speaker 1: but I do have a sense of like, when you
[21:37] Speaker 1: turn a corner, could I have met the love of
[21:39] Speaker 1: my life, but I decided to go a different way.
[21:41] Speaker 1: So in that sense of like how many different scenarios
[21:44] Speaker 1: were there where something else could have happened, good or bad.
[21:47] Speaker 3: Wait, this is crazy. This links to the like last
[21:49] Speaker 3: question I want to ask you after we.
[21:50] Speaker 1: Go through it. So that's really interesting.
[21:52] Speaker 3: Wait, should we go tit for tat?
[21:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, tit for tat, let's do it.
[21:55] Speaker 3: Okay. Well, that's a really good one and really kind
[21:58] Speaker 3: of interesting. Mine's a bit dark. The first one is
[22:01] Speaker 3: I want to know how many times I nearly died.
[22:03] Speaker 1: Well, that is kind of similar because if you turn
[22:05] Speaker 1: a corner and you could have got hit by a car,
[22:07] Speaker 1: but then you went the other way.
[22:08] Speaker 3: I think about that kind of stuff all the time.
[22:10] Speaker 3: I'm like, when did I miss something? Or when did
[22:12] Speaker 3: I just like, when did I choose to wake up
[22:14] Speaker 3: a little bit later? I could have been in a
[22:16] Speaker 3: car accident, et cetera, et cetera.
[22:17] Speaker 1: Well, I'm so accident prone. There's been multiple times where
[22:20] Speaker 1: I actually have nearly died. How many people actively disliked
[22:23] Speaker 1: you for a completely fabricated or misinformed reason? I always,
[22:27] Speaker 1: I used to struggle with this idea as well of
[22:29] Speaker 1: like when you leave a place, not everyone is going
[22:32] Speaker 1: to like you.
[22:33] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[22:33] Speaker 1: And I wonder how many people have a vendetta against me.
[22:36] Speaker 3: Would you want to know? I would also want to
[22:37] Speaker 3: know who.
[22:37] Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.
[22:38] Speaker 3: Like I would want the number and then I'd want
[22:41] Speaker 3: all their faces lined up on the screen.
[22:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like, next, next. And then on like
[22:46] Speaker 1: the flip side is like how many people loved me.
[22:48] Speaker 3: Yeah. That's really good too. I like that. I had
[22:51] Speaker 3: one that was, this is really weird. How many times
[22:54] Speaker 3: could have I had a relationship with someone and we
[22:56] Speaker 3: would have ended up having a baby that could have
[22:58] Speaker 3: cured cancer or done something incredibly impressive?
[23:01] Speaker 1: Wait, that's amazing.
[23:02] Speaker 3: Because I often think about that. The divorce rate is
[23:06] Speaker 3: so fucking high, obviously. Is the point of people getting
[23:10] Speaker 3: married just to have a certain child that will then
[23:13] Speaker 3: lead to another child that then will lead to a
[23:15] Speaker 3: child that potentially could have the cure for cancer within
[23:17] Speaker 3: their mind? I think about that heaps because like, you know,
[23:21] Speaker 3: I'm a child of divorce and my mom goes, it's
[23:23] Speaker 3: always worth it because I got you. And I'm like, well,
[23:25] Speaker 3: what am I doing?
[23:28] Speaker 1: The accuracy rate of your gut instincts. How often you
[23:31] Speaker 1: correctly predicted a bad vibe versus how often you were
[23:34] Speaker 1: just being dramatic. Oh, I like that one.
[23:36] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[23:37] Speaker 1: Because I think a gut instinct... is one of the
[23:41] Speaker 1: most reliable things.
[23:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. And I often have it a lot,
[23:45] Speaker 3: but I'm like, should I trust this or am I
[23:46] Speaker 3: just anxious? My next one was how many times have
[23:50] Speaker 3: you been in the same room as someone or been
[23:53] Speaker 3: very close to someone in the same environment that you
[23:55] Speaker 3: would later be really close with? I think about that
[23:57] Speaker 3: all the time with my friends and stuff that we
[23:59] Speaker 3: grew up in the same town, but didn't meet until
[24:01] Speaker 3: high school. I'm sure as kids, we probably played in
[24:03] Speaker 3: the same playground or we like came across each other's
[24:07] Speaker 3: kind of came across each other in a way that was,
[24:10] Speaker 3: we just had no idea. And maybe you and I do.
[24:13] Speaker 2: Like, who knows?
[24:13] Speaker 3: You grew up in Sydney. I grew up like around
[24:16] Speaker 3: here too.
[24:17] Speaker 1: You grew up somewhere else.
[24:19] Speaker 3: I grew up somewhere else.
[24:20] Speaker 1: But I often think about that in terms of like
[24:22] Speaker 1: from Sydney, moved to Melbourne, then came back. It's like-
[24:25] Speaker 1: How many choices happened?
[24:26] Speaker 3: But I used to go to Melbourne when I was
[24:28] Speaker 3: a kid.
[24:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[24:29] Speaker 3: Who knows? I probably, we could have been in the
[24:30] Speaker 3: same room.
[24:31] Speaker 1: And I also believe you meet people when you're meant
[24:33] Speaker 1: to meet them.
[24:34] Speaker 3: Absolutely.
[24:35] Speaker 1: Um, the total count of lies you told. I would
[24:38] Speaker 1: just like to see, am I a good person?
[24:40] Speaker 3: Maybe like compared to everyone else's stats too. Like how
[24:43] Speaker 3: many times did people lie compared to me?
[24:45] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[24:45] Speaker 3: Um, I would like to know how many billion dollar
[24:47] Speaker 3: ideas I had.
[24:49] Speaker 1: Yes.
[24:50] Speaker 3: I want to know, like, was that idea that was
[24:52] Speaker 3: something that I was like, how cool would that be?
[24:54] Speaker 3: Could have that made me a billionaire? My final one.
[24:57] Speaker 3: This is just something that I've always wondered. How many
[25:00] Speaker 3: spiders did I actually eat in my sleep?
[25:03] Speaker 1: True. But apparently it's between like seven and eight. So
[25:05] Speaker 1: it's like, that's probably the ballpark.
[25:06] Speaker 3: I know, but I'm like, are you serious? Are you
[25:09] Speaker 3: seriously thinking that?
[25:09] Speaker 1: Imagine if you have like 15, you're like, whoa, I've
[25:12] Speaker 1: got a family down there.
[25:13] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[25:14] Speaker 3: But also I just like, I'm struggling to believe that
[25:16] Speaker 3: I am actually going to eat seven to eight spiders.
[25:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't believe it.
[25:19] Speaker 3: Like if someone said one, I would be gobsmacked.
[25:22] Speaker 1: I don't know though. Like maybe a really baby one.
[25:25] Speaker 3: I love that stuff. It's such a good dinner party conversation.
[25:28] Speaker 3: Definitely take that to a dinner party. I don't know.
[25:30] Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know.
[25:32] Speaker 3: Do you know what I like to believe in? Whatever
[25:34] Speaker 3: you believe in.
[25:35] Speaker 1: And that's a good way to end. Disclosure day is coming.
[25:40] Speaker 3: What is disclosure day?
[25:41] Speaker 1: Did you not watch that? It's an alien film that
[25:43] Speaker 1: came out earlier this year.
[25:44] Speaker 3: I have not seen that.
[25:45] Speaker 1: Oh, okay. We'll go watch, but it's like literally predicting
[25:48] Speaker 1: what's happening now. So as, as, Early as like September, 2026,
[25:52] Speaker 1: the Pentagon has released five batches of declassified UAP files
[25:59] Speaker 1: under President Trump's order. But this is also not the
[26:01] Speaker 1: first time that a president has commented or been interested
[26:06] Speaker 1: in aliens. I don't remember if you saw this like
[26:09] Speaker 1: podcast in an interview with political podcaster, Brian Tyler Cohen.
[26:14] Speaker 1: So he had former president Barack Obama and he was asked,
[26:19] Speaker 1: do you think aliens are real? And he said, they're real,
[26:22] Speaker 1: but I haven't seen them. And I trust Barack Obama.
[26:26] Speaker 3: If there's anyone I'm going.
[26:27] Speaker 1: To trust, it's him. Interesting.
[26:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[26:29] Speaker 1: So I think with a lot of people, they were like, oh, well,
[26:31] Speaker 1: it's Trump. Obviously he would like do this kind of stuff.
[26:34] Speaker 1: But this has been talk for years.
[26:37] Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. So he's ordered for these papers to be public.
[26:40] Speaker 1: Okay, so as early as September 2025, Donald Trump has
[26:44] Speaker 1: released classified UFO sightings onto a website for the public
[26:51] Speaker 1: to see.
[26:51] Speaker 2: Interesting.
[26:52] Speaker 3: So a year ago?
[26:53] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[26:53] Speaker 3: Wow.
[26:54] Speaker 1: And then now in May 8th, 2026, a lot of
[26:58] Speaker 1: these people are commenting on it. So there are 106 files,
[27:02] Speaker 1: including decade-old reports from the 1940s. And this was like
[27:06] Speaker 1: military UFO videos.
[27:08] Speaker 3: Wait, so you're about to tell me that aliens are
[27:11] Speaker 3: real and no one's talking about it?
[27:14] Speaker 1: Yes and no. Okay.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Right.
[27:16] Speaker 4: Okay.
[27:16] Speaker 3: Keep going. Keep going.
[27:17] Speaker 1: So June 12th, 2026, 72 files.
[27:22] Speaker 1: Including CIA, FBI reports on orbs and disks. And if
[27:26] Speaker 1: there's anyone they're going to trust.
[27:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
[27:28] Speaker 1: Guys, this is the CIA.
[27:29] Speaker 3: I guess if anything, it proves that they're just as
[27:31] Speaker 3: confused as we are.
[27:32] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[27:33] Speaker 3: That they're not definite in not knowing and they're not
[27:35] Speaker 3: definite in knowing. So they're just collecting all this data
[27:38] Speaker 3: being like, well, it could be.
[27:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Which I don't, that doesn't make me feel
[27:42] Speaker 1: any better. But they saw camera disk sightings and a
[27:47] Speaker 1: plasma-like orb. over Northeastern US in 2024. So it's like
[27:53] Speaker 1: tracking it from like decades. Hundreds of years. And then
[27:56] Speaker 1: July 10th, 2026, there's 40 files, including military personnel describing
[28:02] Speaker 1: encounters as unlike anything I'd ever seen.
[28:05] Speaker 4: What?
[28:05] Speaker 1: I'm like, please do say more.
[28:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[28:07] Speaker 1: And they're being very selective in like what they're putting
[28:10] Speaker 1: out to the world.
[28:10] Speaker 3: Please do say more.
[28:12] Speaker 1: They're being very selective on what they're saying. I'm like, guys, please.
[28:15] Speaker 1: And so the last one that I have here is
[28:16] Speaker 1: August 7th, 2026, 41 files, including cold orb swarm footage
[28:22] Speaker 1: from 2021 and a 2002 triangle sighting, like as like
[28:27] Speaker 1: the ship. And that's probably the most conclusive evidence because it's.
[28:33] Speaker 3: Like, well.
[28:34] Speaker 1: If that ain't a spaceship, I don't.
[28:36] Speaker 3: Know what it is. This is the kind of stuff
[28:38] Speaker 3: that if I deep dive it enough into my mind,
[28:40] Speaker 3: it really freaks me out because I'm like, well, why
[28:43] Speaker 3: aren't they making themselves apparent? What are we setting ourselves
[28:47] Speaker 3: up for? What kind of like experiment are we living
[28:50] Speaker 3: right now? It's Jake, Shane and alien. It does make me,
[28:53] Speaker 3: it makes me a conspiracy theorist in a way that
[28:56] Speaker 3: no other topic does.
[28:57] Speaker 1: Yeah. I personally, I believe in aliens to an extent,
[29:02] Speaker 1: but I also think that we will never meet them.
[29:05] Speaker 1: because of the time difference and the galaxies is like.
[29:07] Speaker 3: Even if we- But you're saying that people have spotted ships.
[29:10] Speaker 1: I know, but I don't think because of the cosmic
[29:13] Speaker 1: like galaxy, I don't think we're ever going to actually
[29:16] Speaker 1: come face to face with them because of time, like
[29:19] Speaker 1: the difference.
[29:20] Speaker 3: But bro, the ship was in our presence.
[29:22] Speaker 2: No, but it.
[29:22] Speaker 1: Wasn't because like the ship also, people like on the moon.
[29:27] Speaker 1: And there were like sightings of it.
[29:28] Speaker 3: They were on the moon when they sighted it.
[29:30] Speaker 1: We might need to fact check that.
[29:32] Speaker 3: No, they weren't. I just think that there has to
[29:36] Speaker 3: be other life.
[29:37] Speaker 1: We would be so naive to think that.
[29:39] Speaker 4: Yes.
[29:40] Speaker 3: Exactly. I do believe that, so if there is, they
[29:45] Speaker 3: are far smarter than us and far more powerful. Otherwise
[29:49] Speaker 3: they would have done something with us by now. And
[29:54] Speaker 3: that freaks me out because I'm like, okay, so we're
[29:56] Speaker 3: just like a little pawn in their game. or they're
[29:59] Speaker 3: so powerful they could not give a flying fuck so
[30:02] Speaker 3: yeah i believe in aliens and i think they would
[30:05] Speaker 3: look at us and think we were fucking idiots yeah
[30:07] Speaker 3: do you reckon aliens have podcasts.
[30:10] Speaker 1: No i don't think they would have time for that
[30:12] Speaker 1: dude they're probably fighting something in the galaxy.
[30:16] Speaker 3: I would love to find out that there was another
[30:18] Speaker 3: planet that was just exactly like earth yeah exactly like
[30:21] Speaker 3: us but there was like there was more like nature
[30:24] Speaker 3: to discover. Like it looked really different. Like it was
[30:26] Speaker 3: still natural like earth, but like maybe there was way,
[30:29] Speaker 3: like the ocean was like way bluer or like the
[30:33] Speaker 3: grass was like really green and the mountains were like
[30:36] Speaker 3: really big. And there was just like all these like
[30:39] Speaker 3: new natural phenomenons to find. Maybe plants hovered. And they
[30:45] Speaker 3: grew in the air.
[30:46] Speaker 1: You know what I think though? It's not the stereotypical
[30:53] Speaker 1: like ET alien. I think it would be someone that
[30:56] Speaker 1: maybe doesn't look too far off us. Like definitely different.
[31:00] Speaker 3: I would love that.
[31:00] Speaker 1: But I don't think they would be like some green,
[31:04] Speaker 1: like massive thing.
[31:05] Speaker 3: I don't think so either. I would love for there
[31:07] Speaker 3: to be, I would love it if there was another earth.
[31:11] Speaker 3: where all the humans looked like humans, but there was
[31:14] Speaker 3: just more travel destinations that we could discover and take
[31:16] Speaker 3: beautiful photos of.
[31:17] Speaker 1: Well, there's a reason we can't go to certain planets,
[31:19] Speaker 1: you know? Yeah.
[31:21] Speaker 3: Can you imagine, dude, if a whole other planet was
[31:23] Speaker 3: found and it's like, you're a summer, ha ha, nah. Wah, wah, wee, wah, summer.
[31:27] Speaker 4: Ha ha, nah.
[31:28] Speaker 3: Guys, it's time for In The Field and today we're
[31:31] Speaker 3: calling my friend and we don't know if she wants
[31:33] Speaker 3: a fake name yet, so I'm not going to say
[31:35] Speaker 3: her name, but she's my friend and she's telling a
[31:37] Speaker 3: story that I know Liv doesn't know and I'm going
[31:40] Speaker 3: to keep her in check because I feel like she'll
[31:42] Speaker 3: let go of some details. Alright, you excited?
[31:46] Speaker 1: I'm so excited.
[31:47] Speaker 3: It's all normal, book of answers and stuff like that.
[31:49] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[31:53] Speaker 2: Hello.
[31:54] Speaker 3: Hello, how are you?
[31:55] Speaker 4: Hi.
[31:56] Speaker 2: Hi.
[31:57] Speaker 4: I'm good.
[31:58] Speaker 3: Do you want a fake name? Do you want a
[31:59] Speaker 3: fake name?
[32:00] Speaker 2: Yes.
[32:01] Speaker 3: What name?
[32:01] Speaker 2: You can make it up.
[32:03] Speaker 3: Paloma.
[32:03] Speaker 2: You can make it up.
[32:04] Speaker 4: Paloma.
[32:05] Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
[32:05] Speaker 2: I knew you would say that.
[32:06] Speaker 1: Or you'd be like Winifred.
[32:07] Speaker 2: Winifred is crazy.
[32:09] Speaker 3: Winifred. Okay.
[32:11] Speaker 2: Winifred.
[32:11] Speaker 1: Okay, Winifred.
[32:12] Speaker 3: So, Winifred, thank you for being here. We're obviously pals.
[32:16] Speaker 3: I heard that you have a bit of a story
[32:18] Speaker 3: to tell us that I already know, but Liv doesn't.
[32:22] Speaker 3: But I thought because I already know it, I can
[32:24] Speaker 3: keep you in check a bit.
[32:25] Speaker 1: Okay.
[32:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, keep me accountable.
[32:28] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[32:28] Speaker 2: Because I have a history of embellishing.
[32:30] Speaker 1: Don't we all?
[32:31] Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it. And I've got the
[32:34] Speaker 3: book of, oh, shit, sorry. Let's get into it, Winifred.
[32:36] Speaker 1: All right, let's go.
[32:41] Speaker 3: Let's go, Winifred.
[32:42] Speaker 1: Let's go.
[32:44] Speaker 4: All right, well, this tale begins in 2024. It's a
[32:48] Speaker 4: turbulent whirlwind romance that inevitably ended in tears because, of course,
[32:54] Speaker 4: it does. And when you hear all the details, you'll
[32:56] Speaker 4: be like, well, of course, it ended in tears. But essentially,
[33:02] Speaker 4: it started on a dating app, might I add. This
[33:05] Speaker 4: man messages me. He's bald. He's tall.
[33:08] Speaker 2: He's built. He's tatted everywhere.
[33:11] Speaker 3: Questionable.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Okay.
[33:14] Speaker 4: Tattered everywhere, including the top of his head, but in
[33:17] Speaker 4: a tasteful way.
[33:18] Speaker 1: No, it's never tasteful.
[33:20] Speaker 2: In a tasteful way.
[33:20] Speaker 3: No. Yes.
[33:21] Speaker 2: And I was obsessed.
[33:23] Speaker 4: I also have a thing for men who appear to
[33:25] Speaker 4: be competent and he was a tradie.
[33:28] Speaker 2: With his own business. So I was like, I was hooked.
[33:31] Speaker 3: I was like, this man's going to provide. I swear
[33:33] Speaker 3: to God, you are the only person in the world
[33:35] Speaker 3: that would look at a photo of him and think
[33:36] Speaker 3: he was competent.
[33:37] Speaker 1: I really want to see a photo.
[33:39] Speaker 2: Basically, we're talking for a little while.
[33:41] Speaker 4: He lives in Perth and he tells me he's going
[33:43] Speaker 4: to book a flight to come see me and work
[33:46] Speaker 4: over in my city for a little while.
[33:48] Speaker 1: How long is your, like, distance on dating apps?
[33:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, true.
[33:54] Speaker 3: Winifred's got it worldwide.
[33:55] Speaker 1: You've got the Australian nation as one. I need everyone.
[34:01] Speaker 1: That's so true.
[34:04] Speaker 4: True.
[34:04] Speaker 3: No, I think, didn't you match when he was here?
[34:06] Speaker 3: Because he visited here.
[34:07] Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
[34:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, we could go with that.
[34:10] Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go with that.
[34:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, so we matched while he was here, but I
[34:13] Speaker 2: didn't get to see him. And he basically lives in Perth.
[34:16] Speaker 4: So he books a flight to come see me and
[34:18] Speaker 4: walk over in my city for a little while so
[34:20] Speaker 4: we can get to know each other.
[34:22] Speaker 3: You have a way with words, don't you? You just
[34:24] Speaker 3: made him want to come on over.
[34:26] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[34:26] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there were pictures sent.
[34:29] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[34:29] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[34:31] Speaker 3: I wasn't angling at that, but whatever.
[34:33] Speaker 4: In that time before he comes, we're getting to know
[34:36] Speaker 4: each other, like, every single night.
[34:38] Speaker 2: Like, we're on the phone every single night.
[34:40] Speaker 4: And he tells me a little story about why he
[34:43] Speaker 4: doesn't like the state of New South Wales, where I'm from.
[34:47] Speaker 2: Yes.
[34:47] Speaker 4: And it's because he grew up there. And I can't
[34:50] Speaker 4: specify the city for.
[34:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, don't.
[34:53] Speaker 2: Like, anonymity reasons.
[34:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:55] Speaker 4: But... I will say that he had an alleged sordid
[34:59] Speaker 4: history and he ended up in jail for three years.
[35:04] Speaker 2: Allegedly.
[35:05] Speaker 4: When I asked why he went to jail, he told
[35:08] Speaker 4: me that... As I previously said, he used to deal
[35:12] Speaker 4: in less than legal activities and there was a man
[35:15] Speaker 4: who owed him money and instead of just talking to him,
[35:19] Speaker 4: he basically puts this guy in the boot of his car.
[35:22] Speaker 3: No, Winifred, that is not what he initially told you.
[35:25] Speaker 3: He gave you a sweeter deal that made the story
[35:28] Speaker 3: when you told us as to why he was locked up,
[35:30] Speaker 3: we were like, maybe that's excusable. Not that many things are,
[35:34] Speaker 3: but we were like, right, okay, that kind of, it's
[35:37] Speaker 3: not as bad as we thought.
[35:39] Speaker 4: Okay, that story is a different story as to why
[35:42] Speaker 4: he ended up in jail. So that's actually the second
[35:45] Speaker 4: time he ended up in jail.
[35:52] Speaker 2: I'm not lying. I'm just telling a different part of
[35:56] Speaker 2: the story.
[35:56] Speaker 1: Okay, fine.
[35:57] Speaker 4: Okay. Okay.
[35:59] Speaker 2: And basically he puts this man in the boot of
[36:02] Speaker 2: his car.
[36:04] Speaker 4: My man is driving around with him, just wanting to
[36:07] Speaker 4: scare him a little bit. Unfortunately for him, because of
[36:12] Speaker 4: his criminal history, allegedly, his license plates are flagged. So
[36:18] Speaker 4: when your license plates are flagged, as far as I know,
[36:20] Speaker 4: police can stop you at any time without cause. So....
[36:25] Speaker 2: Allegedly.
[36:42] Speaker 4: Allegedly um no one believes this story everyone thinks he's
[36:46] Speaker 4: lying to me and i'm just like why would.
[36:50] Speaker 3: He lie i don't think he was lying i thought
[36:54] Speaker 3: that he was lying about the first story that was
[36:56] Speaker 3: more palatable and i was like oh there's just no
[37:00] Speaker 3: way that's true he's just trying to be like a
[37:02] Speaker 3: cool guy like a nice guy that's like oh i
[37:04] Speaker 3: just was in the wrong place at the wrong time
[37:07] Speaker 3: but this is This one.
[37:08] Speaker 2: Olivia's protecting my history. Yeah, this. Sorry, you're protecting my
[37:12] Speaker 2: privacy here.
[37:13] Speaker 3: Yes.
[37:14] Speaker 4: But basically the second time he went to jail is
[37:18] Speaker 4: the less, the less believable one because it's also a
[37:22] Speaker 4: reason why he ghosted me because he basically said, he
[37:26] Speaker 4: basically told me.
[37:27] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so sorry I didn't message you. I was
[37:30] Speaker 2: in jail over the weekend.
[37:33] Speaker 1: Which is like fair excuse.
[37:36] Speaker 2: I'm so sorry I.
[37:37] Speaker 3: Didn't message you. I was in jail over the weekend.
[37:41] Speaker 4: What did he do? Allegedly.
[37:44] Speaker 3: That is so stupid and so not true. He lied.
[37:47] Speaker 3: He lied.
[37:48] Speaker 2: He lied. He lied.
[37:49] Speaker 1: Anyway.
[37:50] Speaker 3: Do you have anything else that you want to say?
[37:52] Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Then he got, I can't believe he wouldn't
[37:55] Speaker 3: have to have his number plate flagged. I reckon if
[37:58] Speaker 3: I was a cop and I saw him drive past
[38:00] Speaker 3: me tattered from toe to head, I'd be like, boys,
[38:05] Speaker 3: we got one. I'd be like, let's go.
[38:09] Speaker 1: Also, that guy who started banging, he was having a
[38:11] Speaker 1: right chuckle in the back.
[38:12] Speaker 3: I know, that guy, whoever the guy is, he would
[38:15] Speaker 3: have been like, oh. How did he describe this story
[38:18] Speaker 3: to you, Winifred? Like, was he like, oh, yeah, just
[38:20] Speaker 3: casual day at work.
[38:22] Speaker 2: No, he seemed quite humble about it.
[38:25] Speaker 4: You know, like he was like, that was my past
[38:27] Speaker 4: and this is my present. Obviously, when he told me
[38:30] Speaker 4: that story, he hadn't gone to jail for the second
[38:32] Speaker 4: time yet.
[38:32] Speaker 3: Over the weekend, yeah.
[38:34] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that weekend jail story hadn't happened. So, of course,
[38:38] Speaker 4: you know, I like men who do weird things.
[38:43] Speaker 2: Like, once again, going back to.
[38:45] Speaker 3: We're trying to get you out of that. We're trying
[38:47] Speaker 3: to get you out of that.
[38:48] Speaker 2: Well, I like men who are competent.
[38:51] Speaker 3: That's not a competent man, Winifred.
[38:53] Speaker 2: Okay, he put a man in his boot. That's not competent.
[38:56] Speaker 2: You have to be strong to do that.
[38:57] Speaker 5: Okay.
[38:58] Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
[38:59] Speaker 3: We still have a lot of work to do, obviously.
[39:02] Speaker 3: We obviously have a lot of work to do.
[39:03] Speaker 4: I will say he ghosted me like three times.
[39:06] Speaker 2: We did end up meeting, by the way.
[39:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:09] Speaker 2: And he did ghost me three times.
[39:10] Speaker 1: He picked her up.
[39:11] Speaker 3: He picked her up. He was chivalrous.
[39:12] Speaker 1: Did he put you in the boot?
[39:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually picked her up from work.
[39:15] Speaker 3: Did he put you in the boot, Liv just asked?
[39:17] Speaker 4: Yeah. No, not that time.
[39:19] Speaker 3: She liked that one. Not that time.
[39:22] Speaker 1: Not that time, but other times.
[39:24] Speaker 4: And now he's in Indonesia and he's living off the
[39:27] Speaker 4: land and he's got tens of thousands of followers on
[39:30] Speaker 4: social media.
[39:30] Speaker 2: He's like full on hippie mode. He kind of.
[39:34] Speaker 1: What content does he do? 101 How to Kidnap.
[39:37] Speaker 3: I'm looking into the camera right now. It is one
[39:40] Speaker 3: of the most insane Instagram pages I've ever seen.
[39:42] Speaker 2: In my life.
[39:43] Speaker 1: Oh my God. I want to see it.
[39:44] Speaker 3: Wait, Winifred, can I tell the restaurant story?
[39:48] Speaker 1: Sure.
[39:48] Speaker 3: He was quite generous as well, I would say. And
[39:52] Speaker 3: when we were out for girls' drinks, we were like,
[39:55] Speaker 3: how could we really splurge? Like, how can we make
[39:58] Speaker 3: this drinks really nice? And I was like, would old
[40:01] Speaker 3: mate maybe donate? to us having a jolly old good time.
[40:06] Speaker 3: And Winifred handed me her phone and said, do what
[40:09] Speaker 3: you have to do, but I don't want to know
[40:11] Speaker 3: anything about it. And I ended up getting quite a
[40:15] Speaker 3: bit of money out of him.
[40:16] Speaker 1: How much?
[40:17] Speaker 3: I won't disclose how much.
[40:19] Speaker 1: Ballpark?
[40:20] Speaker 3: But enough to make the lunch quite bottomless, I would say.
[40:25] Speaker 3: The next day he goes to Winifred. Oh, I'm so
[40:28] Speaker 3: happy to help out, but I will need that money
[40:31] Speaker 3: back within the next week. How much?
[40:37] Speaker 5: How much?
[40:38] Speaker 1: I want to know.
[40:39] Speaker 3: It was hundreds of dollars. We had to pay it
[40:41] Speaker 3: all back to him because... Obviously. So temporary. Obviously it
[40:45] Speaker 3: was someone that was not that great.
[40:47] Speaker 1: Well, he's not very competent then if he's not been
[40:49] Speaker 1: a gentleman.
[40:49] Speaker 3: Exactly, Winifred, not a competent person.
[40:52] Speaker 1: No. He picked me.
[40:53] Speaker 4: Up from the train once when my luggage got stolen
[40:56] Speaker 4: and I would say that was quite a kind thing
[41:00] Speaker 4: to do.
[41:00] Speaker 3: I think that's just like a basic human decency, I'd say.
[41:03] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[41:05] Speaker 2: When he was going through a vegan phase.
[41:06] Speaker 1: Darling, it's not Nobu.
[41:08] Speaker 3: Basically human decency. Basically human decency. I've bought you much more.
[41:14] Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, God. I mean, you're not wrong. But he
[41:17] Speaker 2: broke his vegan.
[41:18] Speaker 4: Phase for me. I made chicken nuggets for McDonald's. Okay,
[41:22] Speaker 4: but I will say he did complain and whinge, and
[41:25] Speaker 4: he was like, I wish I didn't do that.
[41:26] Speaker 1: LAUGHTER Oh, you know how I would pick him.
[41:32] Speaker 4: All right.
[41:33] Speaker 3: Okay, we've got the book of answers, Winifred. What question
[41:36] Speaker 3: do you want to ask? Should it be, is he
[41:40] Speaker 3: still thinking about you? Has he tried to contact you before?
[41:44] Speaker 1: Is he back in jail?
[41:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, is he back in jail? Was he lying?
[41:48] Speaker 4: He's definitely not in jail because he posted it on
[41:50] Speaker 4: his influencer Instagram yesterday.
[41:53] Speaker 2: So I will say, I will. Can I ask two questions?
[41:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[41:59] Speaker 2: Okay, number one, was he lying about jail?
[42:04] Speaker 1: Okay.
[42:04] Speaker 2: Number two, does he still think about me occasionally?
[42:08] Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll do number one first. Liv's going to
[42:11] Speaker 3: start swiping through. You tell her when to stop.
[42:13] Speaker 2: Stop.
[42:16] Speaker 1: Don't be concerned.
[42:17] Speaker 3: Don't be concerned. Oh, my God. What is this book?
[42:24] Speaker 2: If I wanted a therapy session, I would go to
[42:26] Speaker 2: my therapist.
[42:29] Speaker 3: Okay. What was the next one? Oh, does he still
[42:32] Speaker 3: think about you occasionally?
[42:33] Speaker 1: Okay.
[42:34] Speaker 3: She's swiping. You can tell her to stop.
[42:36] Speaker 4: Stop.
[42:39] Speaker 1: You are too close to see.
[42:41] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, because you keep stalking him. You keep stalking him.
[42:44] Speaker 3: It says you are too close to see, which means
[42:47] Speaker 3: that probably not. He's not thinking about you.
[42:51] Speaker 2: Well, he is just going through his own phase.
[42:52] Speaker 3: Okay.
[42:55] Speaker 2: I wish him the best.
[42:56] Speaker 3: No, we don't really. I don't think we do.
[42:58] Speaker 1: No, we don't.
[42:59] Speaker 3: Well, Winifred, I think that was a beautiful story, well
[43:02] Speaker 3: told as always. And what a colourful and well-lived life
[43:06] Speaker 3: you have. To think that that's not probably the craziest one,
[43:10] Speaker 3: I say.
[43:11] Speaker 2: Love you, Liv.
[43:12] Speaker 4: Bye, Winnie.
[43:13] Speaker 3: Okay, guys, that's it for today. Thank you so much
[43:15] Speaker 3: for stopping by. Can I do my hyper-specific goodbyes?
[43:18] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[43:19] Speaker 3: Hyper-specific goodbyes. Goodbye to the people that wear backpacks to work.
[43:23] Speaker 3: That's really brave. Um, goodbye to the people that are
[43:26] Speaker 3: currently sitting on a bus and goodbye to the people
[43:28] Speaker 3: that have a wedgie right now, but didn't realize until
[43:31] Speaker 3: I said it.
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