# Johnson on McKenna's benching, Hiller's perspective and Tocchet's hot seat

An episode of [OverDrive](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/679367618), 16 Oct 2026, 25 min.

Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/4809bc8a-e41a-405c-93da-a8cf011df2f4/0a0a57aa-0de9-46be-928b-aa1b013cb0dd/edb27f76-592c-434c-b8ed-b4e50165dc91/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=dc7170e7-d575-4beb-a090-aa1b013cb0eb

TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson joined OverDrive to discuss the Maple Leafs and Jim Hiller benching Gavin McKenna against the Sabres, the firsthand look of the bench in the game, the lack of defensive power on the blue line, Rick Tocchet's seat warming with the Flyers, Rick Bowness blasting his team and more.

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