# ‘Why would China even bother to attack if you don’t taunt her’: Sam & Hugh answer your comments

An episode of [Foreign Exchange](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6790227463), 31 Jul 2026, 52 min.

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Subscribe to Australian Foreign Affairs: https://www.australianforeignaffairs.com/subscribe Every fortnight, Sam Roggeveen and Hugh White discuss major developments in international affairs affecting Australia and the region, from an Australian perspective. “And great powers do use armed force against countries that obstruct their vision of regional, or for that matter, global order. And, you know, it's worth remembering that that's why the United States has a great power went to war with Vietnam and Iraq and Iraq again, and Iran and Afghanistan. “So, you know, Australia, thinking about its strategic future in Asia, can't afford to overlook the possibility that if Australia does effectively and sort of systematically oppose China's vision of regional order, then we can expect to get some pushback, and we can’t rule out the possibility that pushback includes military pushback.” Compelling conversation, engaging debate and insightful perspectives. This series provides expert insights into Australia’s future in a changing world. Foreign Exchange. Brought to you by Australian Foreign Affairs.

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