# The Next Token

A podcast by Dillon Mulroy, Rhys Sullivan, and Sunil Pai. The Next Token is a technical, conversational podcast from Sunil Pai, Dillon Mulroy, and Rhys Sullivan about the ideas, tools, and weird edges shaping software right now. Expect candid conversations about AI, developer experience, building on the web, open source, infrastructure, and the work behind the work: what they are trying, what is breaking, what is actually useful, and what deserves a second look. Cloudflare sponsors the show, but the conversations are host-led, curious, and independent in spirit.

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## Latest episodes

- ["What's after Code Mode" - Ep 07](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/5195a4ffdea0) (2026-10-19, 86 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-07-code-mode-inside-code-mode.mp3?dest-id=5485615
- ["The Senior Engineer Death Spiral" - Ep 06](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/afb97188b6f1) (2026-09-28, 77 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-06-the-senior-engineer-death-spiral.mp3?dest-id=5485615
- ["I'm the Arbiter of Tokens and GPUs" - Ep 05](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/6d1d7e5dc158) (2026-08-31, 57 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-05-im-the-arbiter-of-tokens-and-gpus.mp3?dest-id=5485615
- ["We've Never Been Wrong on the Internet Before" - Ep 04](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/335d71705796) (2026-08-17, 67 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-04-weve-never-been-wrong-on-the-internet-before.mp3?dest-id=5485615
- ["I'm Tired of the Uncertainty of Where This Is Going" - Ep 03](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/d5032136c1ef) (2026-08-10, 56 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-03-im-tired-of-the-uncertainty-of-where-this-is-going.mp3?dest-id=5485615
- ["I've Never Seen a Model Say 'This File Is Getting Too Big'" - Ep 02](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/8e0d92990ae9) (2026-07-23, 73 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-02-ive-never-seen-a-model-say-this-file-is-getting-too-big.mp3?dest-id=5485615
- ["I Want Your Product to Enable My Agent" - Ep 01](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/ec8a91c2e4b9) (2026-07-03, 74 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-01-i-want-your-product-to-enable-my-agent.mp3?dest-id=5485615
- ["None of My Software Has Gotten Better" - Ep 00](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/6784829318/2096ba365a1f) (2026-06-29, 53 min): audio https://traffic.libsyn.com/clean/secure/4d24c80e-a806-45a3-b354-4109a279ed4d/the-next-token-ep-00-none-of-my-software-has-gotten-better.mp3?dest-id=5485615

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