# What Is a ‘Fleshly’ Christian?

An episode of [Ask Pastor John](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/618132843), 6 Nov 2025, 14 min.

Audio: https://media.blubrry.com/3817469/audio.desiringgod.org/20251106-en-what-is-a-fleshly-christian.mp3?ts=1761748010

Are “fleshly” Christians truly Christian? Pastor John traces Paul’s distinctions between natural people, carnal Christians, and spiritual Christians.

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