# Malcolm Gladwell & Chris Chavez Think We're Selling Running All Wrong

An episode of [The Rich Roll Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/582272991), 23 Jul 2026, 1 h 15 min.

Audio: https://pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/1112/traffic.megaphone.fm/VAOGC8919675922.mp3

Malcolm Gladwell is a staff writer at The New Yorker, bestselling author, and podcaster. Chris Chavez is a journalist, podcaster, and the founder of CITIUS MAG. I just passed a thousand episodes, which has me rethinking what I want this to feel like. So for this one, no agenda, no notes. Just three podcasters rolling the dice. Where it went: the art of the interview. Farming attention with integrity. The state of running. Why America loses at the sports it thinks it should dominate. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: Gusto: Get three months free when you run your first payroll👉🏼https://www.gusto.com/RICHROLL Momentous: Get up to 35% off your first order👉🏼https://www.livemomentous.com/richroll Freaks of Nature: Save 20% with code RICHROLL👉🏼https://www.freaksofnature.com Squarespace: Use code RichRoll to save 10% off your first order of a website or domain👉🏼https://www.squarespace.com/RichRoll Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever👉🏼https://www.rivian.com Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors👉🏼https://www.richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at https://www.voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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