# #1302: 30 Years, Part 4

An episode of [Magic: The Gathering Drive to Work Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/580709168), 12 Dec 2025, 37 min.

Audio: https://media.transistor.fm/1c8ac87d/9b8be73d.mp3

This is my fourth and final episode talking about 30 big design evolutions since I started working at Wizards of the Coast in October 1995. This is based on a three-part series I did in my Making Magic column.

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