# Q&A: The New Heaven and New Earth, the Godhead, and Kairos

An episode of [Bible Answer Man Podcast with Hank Hanegraaff](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/569236334), 1 Jul 2026, 28 min.

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On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (07/01/26), Hank answers the following questions: What do the new heaven and new earth and the resurrection of the body refer to? Jason - Raleigh, NC (0:48) Is a lifetime jail sentence grounds for divorce? Daniel - Brooklyn, NY (5:21) Is abortion acceptable when the Mother’s life is at risk? Andy - Lincoln, NE (9:47) Could you clarify the Godhead – God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit being one and the same? Amy - Panama City, FL (15:14) Can you clarify the difference between “Kairos” and “Chronos”? Robert - Omaha, NE (21:28)

## Transcript

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[0:44] Speaker 1: your host, Hank Canagraph.
[0:46] Speaker 2: Thank you very much for Indy, a lot of you
[0:48] Speaker 2: hanging on. I'll go to the phone lines. Doctor Jason
[0:50] Speaker 2: listening on the web, Raleigh, North Carolina. I Jason, Hi, Henk,
[0:54] Speaker 2: thanks taking a call my pleasure.
[0:56] Speaker 3: I am very much on board with what the Christian
[0:58] Speaker 3: researchers to two teach us about the revelation of Jesus Christ.
[1:01] Speaker 3: I have a lot of Christian friends who are now
[1:03] Speaker 3: asking me questions, you know, and they're trying to learn
[1:05] Speaker 3: more about their faith, and fortunately for them, they're coming
[1:08] Speaker 3: to me. I try and push them to your website,
[1:10] Speaker 3: but I'm curious. I'm trying to read through the book
[1:13] Speaker 3: as fast as I can, but your book on Revelations
[1:17] Speaker 3: in the end time prophecies. But I don't understand the
[1:19] Speaker 3: new Heaven and New Earth passage, and I don't understand
[1:22] Speaker 3: the pastage talking about how you know the viz rise
[1:25] Speaker 3: about the grays, Are they in fact contextually referring to
[1:28] Speaker 3: what you think they would or something else?
[1:31] Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things. We always want to interpret
[1:34] Speaker 2: the cloudy in light of that which is crystal clear.
[1:38] Speaker 2: And Christ made it crystal clear that a time was
[1:40] Speaker 2: coming when all who are in the grays will come out.
[1:42] Speaker 2: Some are rise to live, and some are rise to
[1:45] Speaker 2: be condemned. And that's precisely what the New Jerusalem is
[1:49] Speaker 2: talking about in Revelation chapter twenty one, where John says
[1:53] Speaker 2: I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth, for
[1:56] Speaker 2: the first heaven first Earth had passed away, and there
[1:59] Speaker 2: was no longer see. I saw the Holy City, the
[2:03] Speaker 2: New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, prepared
[2:07] Speaker 2: as a bride, beautifully dressed for her husband. And then
[2:10] Speaker 2: I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, and
[2:14] Speaker 2: this is the operative passage. Now the dwelling of God
[2:19] Speaker 2: is with men, and He will live with them. They
[2:24] Speaker 2: will be as people and God himself will be their God,
[2:28] Speaker 2: and he will wipe every tear from their eyes. There'll
[2:31] Speaker 2: be no more death or mourning or crying or pain,
[2:33] Speaker 2: for the old order things has passed away. So what
[2:37] Speaker 2: you have with a new Jerusalem is a metaphor a
[2:41] Speaker 2: picture language meant to communicate what paradise regained will look like,
[2:49] Speaker 2: what it will be like when God himself walks in
[2:54] Speaker 2: the cool of the day again, as he once did
[2:57] Speaker 2: with Adam and Eve. It is a pick make sure
[3:00] Speaker 2: of paradise lost being recovered, restored, resurrected. The earth now
[3:08] Speaker 2: groans in travail, awaiting its liberation from bondage to decay.
[3:13] Speaker 2: So to our bodies, they're groaning in travail, awaiting to
[3:18] Speaker 2: be resurrected, immortal, imperishable, incorruptible. And when the Lord appears
[3:25] Speaker 2: the second time, that is precisely what will happen. So
[3:29] Speaker 2: the dead, who have already gone on before us are
[3:33] Speaker 2: absent from the body present with the Lord. But when
[3:36] Speaker 2: Christ returns, their souls return to resurrected bodies, and they
[3:41] Speaker 2: live in a resurrected universe with a resurrected Lord, and
[3:47] Speaker 2: they learn and grow and develop without error. The notion
[3:51] Speaker 2: that first there's going to be a rapture of two
[3:54] Speaker 2: hundred million, and then there's going to be a second
[3:59] Speaker 2: coming of Jesus Christ, and then there's going to be
[4:02] Speaker 2: a restoration. All of that is simply convoluted and wrong.
[4:08] Speaker 3: I appreciate your answers so concise as it always is.
[4:11] Speaker 3: I live as if the Lord is going to come
[4:13] Speaker 3: back any day, and I don't think a date.
[4:15] Speaker 2: And that's exactly right. And Jason, what you have just
[4:18] Speaker 2: said needs to be underscored and read. We're all one
[4:22] Speaker 2: heart beat away from eternity, and we should live our
[4:26] Speaker 2: lives as though Christ could come this very moment, because
[4:30] Speaker 2: he could, but we should also prepare as though his
[4:34] Speaker 2: coming is a long way off, and all these people
[4:37] Speaker 2: that are praying Lord come quickly. In some ways there's
[4:41] Speaker 2: a precedent for that, but in others you might well say, Lord,
[4:46] Speaker 2: we have not been faithful. Give us just a little
[4:50] Speaker 2: more time to prepare ourselves to be ambassadors, always ready
[4:56] Speaker 2: to give an answer or reason for the hope that
[4:58] Speaker 2: lies within us, with gentle and with respect. Because if
[5:02] Speaker 2: the Lord would come this very moment, think about people
[5:05] Speaker 2: within your own sphere of influence who do not as
[5:08] Speaker 2: yet know him. We need to get busy about the
[5:12] Speaker 2: work of the kingdom. We're busy about everything except the
[5:15] Speaker 2: work of the kingdom all too often.
[5:18] Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I appreciate it.
[5:19] Speaker 2: Thank you, you got it. Back to the phone lines,
[5:21] Speaker 2: Daniel listening on the web, Brooklyn, New York.
[5:24] Speaker 3: Hi, Daniel, Hello, Hank, thank you for taking my call.
[5:27] Speaker 4: Pleasure is a lifetime jail sentence grounds for divorce even
[5:32] Speaker 4: with the vows for better or for worse in conjugal visits.
[5:36] Speaker 2: Well, that's a hard question to answer, but let me
[5:38] Speaker 2: give the answer to you in principle. First of all,
[5:42] Speaker 2: let me emphasize the radical concept of marriage. Christians must
[5:48] Speaker 2: reconcile themselves to this notion, and that is God's call
[5:53] Speaker 2: to holiness and marriage trump's their own pursuit of happiness.
[6:01] Speaker 2: So if that's for in your mind or in the
[6:05] Speaker 2: front of your mind, it ends up trumping a lot
[6:09] Speaker 2: of hypothetical situations. But having said that, there are I
[6:17] Speaker 2: think circumstances that rise to the same level as adultery
[6:22] Speaker 2: and wilful desertion, which are irrepairable violations of covenant love.
[6:29] Speaker 2: In other words, there are sins against marriage that could
[6:33] Speaker 2: rise to the same level of covenant unfaithfulness as the
[6:38] Speaker 2: two exceptions that we have in First Corinthians chapter seven
[6:42] Speaker 2: and Matthew chapter nineteen, and that could be a whole
[6:46] Speaker 2: list of things, including unrepentant addiction to pornography, engagement in
[6:53] Speaker 2: the occult, spiritual actions that are harmful to the family.
[7:00] Speaker 2: All of these could be argued are violations of the
[7:04] Speaker 2: marriage covenant and therefore biblical grounds for divorce, even though
[7:09] Speaker 2: they're not specifically named in the New Testament. But rather
[7:14] Speaker 2: than simply making a knee jerk reaction on these kinds
[7:17] Speaker 2: of things, it's important to get biblical counsel with regard
[7:25] Speaker 2: to specific circumstances. It took four parties to get into
[7:28] Speaker 2: a marriage. It took a husband, it took a wife,
[7:32] Speaker 2: it took the state, and it took the church. And
[7:34] Speaker 2: I think to break the covenant vow to actually divorce
[7:42] Speaker 2: in the secular arena requires counsel from the church, and
[7:49] Speaker 2: it requires being on your knees as a husband and
[7:52] Speaker 2: a wife, because this is one of the most serious
[7:56] Speaker 2: issues imaginable in the Christian world. We're talking about the
[8:02] Speaker 2: rendering a sunder of a family that is the unit
[8:07] Speaker 2: of society in violent in the eyes of God, critical
[8:15] Speaker 2: to the fabric of civilization, and therefore we cannot take
[8:20] Speaker 2: these things lightly. Divorce is always a function of the
[8:27] Speaker 2: hardness of human hearts, and that is why there was
[8:32] Speaker 2: a writ of divorce given in the first place. It
[8:35] Speaker 2: was because of the hardness of the human heart. And
[8:41] Speaker 2: we are called as believers not to look for escape clauses,
[8:48] Speaker 2: but rather to commit ourselves to marriage. That's the whole point.
[8:53] Speaker 2: If you look at the grounds given in the Bible
[8:55] Speaker 2: for divorce, they're given within a context where men are
[9:00] Speaker 2: putting away women for any or every reason, and as
[9:06] Speaker 2: a result, women became chattel property of men, and the
[9:12] Speaker 2: Bible within that context says no, that's not the way
[9:16] Speaker 2: God intended to be. As a result of Biblical principles
[9:20] Speaker 2: that make women onto logically equal to men, Western society formed,
[9:27] Speaker 2: as it were, the most powerful females in the history
[9:30] Speaker 2: of humanity because they followed the Biblical principles and priorities. Today, unfortunately,
[9:38] Speaker 2: many of those same women are walking back into shackles
[9:42] Speaker 2: under the guise of liberation, which is not liberation. Indeed,
[9:47] Speaker 2: back to our phone callers. Next up is Andy. He's
[9:50] Speaker 2: listening in Lincoln, Nebraska. Hi, Andy, Oh, how's it going good? Her?
[9:55] Speaker 5: Are you good? My question is through your abortion, if
[10:02] Speaker 5: the mother, if her life is in jeopardy, is there
[10:04] Speaker 5: a scripture speech to whether it's proper to take the
[10:07] Speaker 5: baby's life under those circumstances or not.
[10:10] Speaker 2: Well, the basic principle is this abortion is the painful
[10:14] Speaker 2: killing of an innocent human being, someone that does not
[10:18] Speaker 2: deserve capital punishment, but rather deserves protection. But if you
[10:24] Speaker 2: have a situation, by the way, the situation that you
[10:26] Speaker 2: are postulating here is a very rare situation. But if
[10:31] Speaker 2: you are faced with that kind of a situation where
[10:35] Speaker 2: you're going to lose two lives, if you don't have
[10:39] Speaker 2: an abortion, then obviously the greater good principle kicks in.
[10:43] Speaker 2: That makes common sense as well as biblical sense. So
[10:47] Speaker 2: if you're going to lose both mother and child, then
[10:50] Speaker 2: it makes sense to save the mother. But again, I
[10:53] Speaker 2: would say that is almost hypothetical from a statistical standpoint.
[10:57] Speaker 2: This is a very rare situation. Okay, thank you, you
[11:01] Speaker 2: got it, Thank you for your call. We'll be right back.
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[15:12] Speaker 2: Thank you for Indian. Let's go right back to our
[15:14] Speaker 2: phone callers. Next up is Amy listening on Panama City, Florida. Hi. Amy, Hi,
[15:20] Speaker 2: how are you? I'm good? How are you?
[15:22] Speaker 6: I'm fantastic. Thank you for taking my call pleasure. My
[15:26] Speaker 6: question is, could you clarify the godhead and explain to
[15:31] Speaker 6: me people say they're one and the same. Was Jesus
[15:35] Speaker 6: an angelic spirit of being before he was put into
[15:40] Speaker 6: flesh form? Or was did God take the flesh form
[15:45] Speaker 6: as Jesus income to I'm real confused about that.
[15:48] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what would be really helpful is to
[15:50] Speaker 2: get a grasp on Colautians chapter one, particularly starting on
[15:55] Speaker 2: verse fifteen, where you see that Jesus is clearly the
[16:00] Speaker 2: image of the invisible God, and he is as such
[16:06] Speaker 2: the first born over all creation. And then the text
[16:09] Speaker 2: clearly tells us for by him all things were created,
[16:15] Speaker 2: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, Whether
[16:20] Speaker 2: thrones or powers, or rulers or authorities, all things were
[16:25] Speaker 2: created by him and for him. He is before all things,
[16:29] Speaker 2: and in him all things hold together. What you have
[16:32] Speaker 2: here is a clear depiction of Jesus Christ as the
[16:35] Speaker 2: one who spoke in the universe leapt into existence. Now,
[16:39] Speaker 2: how that cash is out is that Christians have always
[16:43] Speaker 2: held to only one God. So we don't believe in
[16:47] Speaker 2: three gods. We believe in one God. As such, we
[16:52] Speaker 2: say Christianity is fiercely monotheistic. It's not polytheistic, it'sistic. We
[17:00] Speaker 2: believe in one God. So when one speaks about the
[17:04] Speaker 2: nature or essence of God, we are speaking about the
[17:08] Speaker 2: oneness of God. If we are talking about persons within
[17:14] Speaker 2: the Godhead, we are not dividing the Godhead, but we
[17:18] Speaker 2: are saying that within the one god Head there are
[17:25] Speaker 2: three personal centers of consciousness or three egos as it were,
[17:32] Speaker 2: or we might say identity formed and complated on the
[17:36] Speaker 2: basis of relationships. And the reason we say that is
[17:41] Speaker 2: the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God, the Father's God,
[17:44] Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit is God, and that they are eternally distinct.
[17:48] Speaker 2: So again, if we're speaking about the nature or essence
[17:52] Speaker 2: of God, there's only one. If we speak about persons
[17:56] Speaker 2: within the Godhead, we say there are three. Another way
[18:02] Speaker 2: of putting that is there's one what and three who's.
[18:06] Speaker 2: If I were to tell you there's one what in
[18:08] Speaker 2: three what's, that's a contradiction. But now I'm talking about
[18:12] Speaker 2: a different category. On the one hand, I'm talking about ontology.
[18:16] Speaker 2: On the other I'm talking about personal self distinctions within
[18:20] Speaker 2: the Godhead. Now that is not a contradiction, but it
[18:26] Speaker 2: does supersede my ability to fully comprehend. So I am
[18:32] Speaker 2: simply bowing my knee to God's revelation of himself to
[18:36] Speaker 2: me in scripture. Jehovah's witness doesn't do that. What they
[18:39] Speaker 2: do is they use a philosophically driven argument that says,
[18:44] Speaker 2: I want to take God and reduce him to something
[18:47] Speaker 2: I can understand. So now what I'm going to say
[18:51] Speaker 2: is God creates Jesus Christ, and then Jesus Christ becomes
[18:55] Speaker 2: a junior partner in the creation of all other things.
[19:00] Speaker 2: And that's where you get this notion that Jesus was
[19:03] Speaker 2: created as the archangel Michael, and then during his earthly
[19:07] Speaker 2: sojourn was a mere human, and after his death he
[19:12] Speaker 2: has recreated an immaterial spirit creature.
[19:17] Speaker 6: Okay, so would it be right to say that God
[19:21] Speaker 6: is pure spirit and there is Jesus seated at the
[19:25] Speaker 6: right hand of God now in heaven.
[19:27] Speaker 2: That is correct, right, Yes, it is correct to say
[19:30] Speaker 2: that God is spirit. Those who worship him must worship
[19:34] Speaker 2: him in spirit and in truth. That's a biblical paradigm.
[19:38] Speaker 2: It's also correct to say that Jesus Christ is forever
[19:41] Speaker 2: in flesh. In the incarnation, Jesus Christ took on human flesh,
[19:46] Speaker 2: so he is forever Theanthropist, the god Man. He was
[19:50] Speaker 2: raised in flesh and is ascended in flesh, and though
[19:56] Speaker 2: he transcends time and space, he is still Theanthropist, the
[20:01] Speaker 2: god Man, and that is how we will experience him
[20:04] Speaker 2: in the resurrection. Now, was he created in flesh? No,
[20:09] Speaker 2: In the incarnation, he took on flesh, and he is
[20:13] Speaker 2: forever in that flesh.
[20:16] Speaker 6: Okay, that helps me out quite a bit. And then
[20:19] Speaker 6: to say the third part of the god Head, the
[20:21] Speaker 6: Holy Spirit, is sent down here in dwell again us.
[20:25] Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's a couple of different ways of looking
[20:27] Speaker 2: at this. First of all, from an experiential standpoint, we
[20:32] Speaker 2: cannot tell whether it's the Father functioning in us, or
[20:35] Speaker 2: the Son functioning in us, or the Holy Spirit functioning
[20:38] Speaker 2: in us. But from the standpoint of theology, we know
[20:44] Speaker 2: that the personal self distinctions within the Godhead will never
[20:49] Speaker 2: cease to be. So we can today as believers say,
[20:54] Speaker 2: thank you Father for sending the Son, and thank you
[20:58] Speaker 2: Son for sending the Holy Spirit, and thank you Holy
[21:02] Speaker 2: Spirit for empowering me. So all of those are correct
[21:06] Speaker 2: ways of speaking to God and speaking about God. But
[21:11] Speaker 2: from a standpoint of how we experience God, we can't
[21:15] Speaker 2: again tell the difference.
[21:16] Speaker 6: Okay, well, I appreciate you answer my question, and you
[21:21] Speaker 6: have a good day you too.
[21:23] Speaker 2: And again test all things in like a scripture, hold
[21:26] Speaker 2: fast to that which is true. I want to go
[21:28] Speaker 2: back to the phone lines. Robert next he's listening on
[21:31] Speaker 2: Butt Radio and Omaha, Nebraska. Hi Robert, doing good.
[21:36] Speaker 1: How are you?
[21:37] Speaker 7: I appreciate speaking to you right now. I had a
[21:39] Speaker 7: question about something that you spoke about. It's a little
[21:42] Speaker 7: confusing to me. You were talking about dinosaurs and human
[21:46] Speaker 7: and how you know the dinosaur has died, but you
[21:51] Speaker 7: know Finn had been on the earth. You mention yourself
[21:54] Speaker 7: it called higher logical and in reference to krono logical,
[22:00] Speaker 7: And I was wondering what exactly if you could just
[22:04] Speaker 7: you know, touch back on that subject one more time.
[22:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a good book written by William Demsky that
[22:11] Speaker 2: really helps understand the difference between chiros and chronos, and
[22:18] Speaker 2: the key is to interpret the days of creation as
[22:21] Speaker 2: natural divisions and the intentional semantic logic of creation, and
[22:29] Speaker 2: as such, Genesis one is not to be interpreted as
[22:34] Speaker 2: ordinary chronological time or chronos, but rather as time from
[22:39] Speaker 2: the vantage of God's purposes or chiros. So the point
[22:46] Speaker 2: of all of that is simply to say that Genesis
[22:50] Speaker 2: one is not designed to give us a chronology of creation,
[22:57] Speaker 2: but rather it is giving us creator from the perspective
[23:02] Speaker 2: of God's purposes. And a lot of people will say
[23:08] Speaker 2: that you can't really do anything else but take Genesis
[23:13] Speaker 2: one chronologically. That's said both by people who are Young
[23:18] Speaker 2: Earth creationists in by people who are within the Old
[23:23] Speaker 2: Earth creationist camp. And what I would argue is that
[23:30] Speaker 2: the reason that people are hung up in this particular
[23:35] Speaker 2: area is because they're arguing over the whole issue of
[23:41] Speaker 2: whether or not nature red in tooth and claw, can
[23:46] Speaker 2: proceed the fall as opposed to following the fall. And
[23:52] Speaker 2: as William Demsky I think very convincingly argues, it's important
[23:58] Speaker 2: to recognize that God has decisively conquered death, and he
[24:06] Speaker 2: has decisively conquered death in all aspects, which is to say,
[24:12] Speaker 2: just as the death and resurrection of Christ is responsible
[24:16] Speaker 2: for the salvation of repentant people throughout all time. In
[24:20] Speaker 2: other words, if you look at the Cross, it stands
[24:24] Speaker 2: in the fulcrum of history. But it doesn't just save
[24:29] Speaker 2: people following the Cross. It saves people preceding the cross,
[24:36] Speaker 2: so it works in that sense retroactively. And the fall
[24:42] Speaker 2: of humanity in the Garden of Eden is in the
[24:45] Speaker 2: same way responsible for every kind of evil. In other words,
[24:51] Speaker 2: it is responsible for natural evil throughout all time. It's
[24:57] Speaker 2: responsible for future evil, present evil, past evil, distant past
[25:04] Speaker 2: evil that precedes the fall. We believe in a God
[25:08] Speaker 2: who is unbounded by time. He stands outside of time,
[25:12] Speaker 2: and therefore, chirologically you can have the effects of the
[25:20] Speaker 2: fall precede the fall itself. There is no problem with
[25:26] Speaker 2: that chirologically, And the reason I brought up that point
[25:29] Speaker 2: is simply to say that Darwin gave up the notion
[25:36] Speaker 2: of a god as communicated in Genesis simply because he
[25:41] Speaker 2: could not understand nature read in Tooth and Claw preceding
[25:44] Speaker 2: the Fall. But Chiros gives us a plausible explanation for that,
[25:51] Speaker 2: and I think Demsky's book The End of Christianity Finding
[25:54] Speaker 2: a Good God in Evil World is a wonderful book
[25:59] Speaker 2: that deals with his very subject. We're at a time
[26:02] Speaker 2: for this edition of the Bible inch Man Broadcast. Look
[26:04] Speaker 2: forward to seeing you right here tomorrow with more of
[26:07] Speaker 2: the show.
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