# Addressing Suicides Among Homosexual Teens with Joe Dallas

An episode of [Bible Answer Man Podcast with Hank Hanegraaff](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/569236334), 20 Jul 2026, 28 min.

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On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (07/20/26), Hank dedicates the broadcast to addressing suicides among homosexual teens. Joe Dallas joins Hank to discuss this topic and his article in the Christian Research Journal, “The Bully Pulpit: When Gay Teens Commit Suicide, Are Preachers to Blame?” Hank and Joe answer the following questions: My college-aged child is homosexual. How to address the homosexual issue with him? Anne - Canton, OH (9:00) How do we stand in the gap for our impressionable young ones who are being influenced by a free-for-all culture? Mark - Midwest, MO (21:00)

## Transcript

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[0:47] Speaker 1: and now here's Hank Canigraph.
[0:49] Speaker 2: Say here much? Randy. I want to devote today's broadcast
[0:53] Speaker 2: to one of the most significant cultural issues that we
[0:57] Speaker 2: face as a Christian. Joe Dallas has written an article
[1:03] Speaker 2: for the Christian Research Journal. The articles titled the Bully Pulpit,
[1:08] Speaker 2: subtitled when gay teens commit suicide, our preachers to blame
[1:14] Speaker 2: Believe it or not, that is a very common, loudly
[1:21] Speaker 2: proclaim message. More and more people seem to believe that
[1:26] Speaker 2: Biblical teaching on human sexuality inspires some unstable teens to
[1:34] Speaker 2: mistreat homosexuals. So now the question do we, as Christian
[1:41] Speaker 2: leaders who have a voice to the nation, do we
[1:46] Speaker 2: moderate our message, do we change our message, do we capitulate,
[1:54] Speaker 2: or maybe even more pertinently, how do we communicate our
[1:56] Speaker 2: message in the first place? What's the right way, what's
[2:00] Speaker 2: the wrong way? And perhaps important to underscore as we
[2:08] Speaker 2: begin the broadcast is the reality that there's a common suggestion,
[2:16] Speaker 2: more and more prevalent in pulpits that Jesus was or
[2:20] Speaker 2: perhaps might have been personally neutral, maybe even affirming of
[2:25] Speaker 2: homosexual conduct. Is this true or is this revisionist history
[2:34] Speaker 2: at its worst. While Jesus did not directly address many
[2:40] Speaker 2: of the issues we're talking about today, what he did
[2:44] Speaker 2: do was clearly reaffirm every jot and tittle of enduring
[2:49] Speaker 2: moral law. Paul likewise, he derived his prescriptions against same
[2:58] Speaker 2: sex sexuality from the creation order of Genesis, as well
[3:03] Speaker 2: as prohibitions of Leviticus, and of course, he contended that
[3:08] Speaker 2: even gentiles without access to direct revelation of Scripture have
[3:17] Speaker 2: enough evidence in the natural realm to discover God's aversion
[3:22] Speaker 2: to homosexual behavior. And of course, in the Book of Romans,
[3:26] Speaker 2: Paul describes both the perversion and the penalty. And I
[3:33] Speaker 2: think we would do well to recognize, as we speak
[3:36] Speaker 2: about this subject today, that the Bible does not condemn
[3:40] Speaker 2: homosexuality in an arbitrary and capricious fashion. Rather, it carefully
[3:47] Speaker 2: defines the borders of human sexuality so that our joy
[3:52] Speaker 2: might be complete. Well, Joe Dallas joins me now his
[3:57] Speaker 2: article again the Bully Pulpit. Joe has been speaking on
[4:01] Speaker 2: this subject with more calmness, correctness, compassion than virtually anyone
[4:11] Speaker 2: I know of, and every time I have him on
[4:13] Speaker 2: the broadcast, I'm so happy to hear both his message
[4:18] Speaker 2: and the manner in which he communicates the message, because
[4:22] Speaker 2: I'll tell you, after doing the Bible answer Man broadcast,
[4:25] Speaker 2: I've learned something, and that is it's not just the
[4:29] Speaker 2: answer that I give, but it's the way in which
[4:33] Speaker 2: I model answering a question that in the end speaks
[4:37] Speaker 2: louder than my words. And Joe is always good to
[4:42] Speaker 2: have you on the broadcast, but I think that's the
[4:44] Speaker 2: first thing I want to address with you. We need
[4:48] Speaker 2: to get the right tone because if our purpose is
[4:52] Speaker 2: not just sensationalism, but if our purpose is genuinely reaching people,
[4:58] Speaker 2: we've got to get the tone right.
[5:00] Speaker 3: Oh, You've absolutely got that right, Hank, And that's a
[5:04] Speaker 3: great way to start the discussion. I think we all
[5:09] Speaker 3: do well to ask ourselves at times when I stand
[5:13] Speaker 3: against something, do I not only have the right position,
[5:17] Speaker 3: that is a position that's biblically informed, but do I
[5:20] Speaker 3: have the right heart? And if I don't, why not?
[5:25] Speaker 3: And that's where I think we need to start in
[5:27] Speaker 3: looking at our own attitude. I unapologetically hold the viewpoint
[5:32] Speaker 3: that God had very specific intentions in mind when he
[5:37] Speaker 3: created human sexuality, and anything falling short of a monogamous
[5:44] Speaker 3: marital union between a male and female does indeed fall
[5:48] Speaker 3: short of created design. But if I pick out one
[5:53] Speaker 3: particular way of falling short and I rant and rave
[5:55] Speaker 3: about that, but I'm rather blase about the other ones,
[6:00] Speaker 3: something is wrong with my presentation.
[6:04] Speaker 2: This message is important for a lot of reasons, and
[6:07] Speaker 2: we've started to underscore those reasons by saying it's really
[6:11] Speaker 2: important that we communicate the correct message correctly. On the
[6:18] Speaker 2: other side, you're pointing something out in this article that
[6:22] Speaker 2: there are prominent people who are talking about trickle down homophobia.
[6:29] Speaker 2: There's a trickle down effect that they contend is now
[6:35] Speaker 2: responsible for all kinds of ills in society, and oftentimes
[6:40] Speaker 2: the finger is pointing directly at those who take a
[6:44] Speaker 2: Biblical position.
[6:46] Speaker 3: Well, I think we're seeing really a kind of a
[6:49] Speaker 3: craft opportunism there, Hank. There are people in the culture, comedians,
[6:55] Speaker 3: movie stars, celebrities who have for years been very against
[7:02] Speaker 3: the traditional Biblical position on a number of issues, and
[7:05] Speaker 3: certainly on human sexuality, and they've seized on these tragedies
[7:10] Speaker 3: to try to connect the dots, to find a link
[7:13] Speaker 3: between traditional Christian teaching and the tragedy of teenage gay suicides,
[7:21] Speaker 3: and they're completely unsubstantiated accusation, and I really do mean
[7:26] Speaker 3: completely unsubstantiated. Is that if preachers preach that homosexuality is
[7:31] Speaker 3: a sin that inspires their young teenage congregants to go
[7:38] Speaker 3: out and bully homosexual people, and as a result, homosexual
[7:42] Speaker 3: teens commit suicide, Now connecting those dots becomes impossible because
[7:48] Speaker 3: they're really not connected. But you know how this works.
[7:52] Speaker 3: If you repeat something often enough, especially if it's repeated
[7:56] Speaker 3: by culturally prominent figures, why people come to accept it
[8:01] Speaker 3: as being true. So there is a real danger growing
[8:04] Speaker 3: as we speak, that more and more Americans will come
[8:08] Speaker 3: to believe that the traditional Biblical position on homosexuality somehow
[8:13] Speaker 3: inspires people to commit acts of violence against homosexual people,
[8:18] Speaker 3: and the solution proposed will be to silence those who
[8:23] Speaker 3: hold the traditional viewpoint. So this is no small matter.
[8:26] Speaker 2: We're to be talking about this subject during the entirety
[8:29] Speaker 2: of the show. A lot of you hanging on waiting
[8:33] Speaker 2: with great anticipation to talk to Joe Dallas. Let's go
[8:37] Speaker 2: to our first caller and listening in Kenton, Ohio. You're
[8:40] Speaker 2: on with Joe Dallas.
[8:42] Speaker 4: Thank you for taking my call. I have a question
[8:45] Speaker 4: for Joe. First of all, I want to say that
[8:48] Speaker 4: me listening to your show tonight could not have been
[8:51] Speaker 4: a coincidence. I have a child who is homosexual, and
[8:56] Speaker 4: my question is, how do some times I'm struggling with
[9:02] Speaker 4: how I love that child? And this child is older
[9:06] Speaker 4: and out of the homes. I'm currently in college. How
[9:09] Speaker 4: I love that child? But how I show that child
[9:13] Speaker 4: that based on what we believe according to God's words,
[9:17] Speaker 4: it's just not acceptable.
[9:20] Speaker 3: Well, first of all, do you think that this is
[9:23] Speaker 3: a son or a daughter? It is a son a son.
[9:27] Speaker 3: Does your son know that you hold that position?
[9:30] Speaker 2: Oh?
[9:30] Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's what I thought, So it isn't necessary
[9:37] Speaker 3: to keep repeating a position that a loved one already
[9:42] Speaker 3: knows that we hold. I guess the question becomes, to
[9:45] Speaker 3: what extent does your son you know, allow you to
[9:49] Speaker 3: talk to him about personal and spiritual issues. What's the
[9:54] Speaker 3: communication like, Well, he.
[9:58] Speaker 4: Does allow me to talk to him, you know, and
[10:03] Speaker 4: we text. You know, we text a lot. We talk,
[10:07] Speaker 4: but there's usually no when I'm talking about the especially
[10:10] Speaker 4: the spiritual issues. Usually it's just more of a quiet response.
[10:16] Speaker 3: Okay, Well, there's nothing wrong with gently introducing a topic
[10:22] Speaker 3: and asking if the person is willing to pursue that
[10:25] Speaker 3: topic with you, if he is wonderful. If he says no,
[10:30] Speaker 3: then I think you need to respect that and remember
[10:33] Speaker 3: that God has many ways of convicting and convincing our
[10:38] Speaker 3: loved ones, even if we no longer seem to be
[10:41] Speaker 3: able to.
[10:42] Speaker 2: And remember if prayer is always firing the winning shot.
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[10:50] Speaker 2: your questions answered by Joe Dallas on one of the
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[10:58] Speaker 2: well as Christians.
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[15:09] Speaker 2: Misshrendy and delighted to have this opportunity to talk to
[15:13] Speaker 2: Joe Dallas as we take your questions right here on
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[15:20] Speaker 2: of the faith. He is working in a very difficult
[15:23] Speaker 2: part of the vineyard. He deserves your support and prayers.
[15:27] Speaker 2: He's written an article called the Bully Pulpit. When gay
[15:30] Speaker 2: teens commit suicide, our preachers to blame. It's in the
[15:35] Speaker 2: Christian Research Journal. And before I go back to Joe,
[15:39] Speaker 2: I want to start this segment with something that I
[15:42] Speaker 2: think is important. In fact, I would be remiss here
[15:46] Speaker 2: if I did not explicitly address the biblical perspective regarding
[15:51] Speaker 2: same sex sexuality. I've talked about the New Testament. In
[15:56] Speaker 2: the Old Testament, for a male to have same sex
[16:01] Speaker 2: intercourse with another man, as though the latter were not
[16:06] Speaker 2: a male but a female, was distinctly forbidden. In fact,
[16:12] Speaker 2: prescriptions of Leviticus are grounded in transcultural creation structures, and
[16:22] Speaker 2: the closest analogies appear to be prescriptions to incest adultree
[16:29] Speaker 2: and bestiality, all forms of sexual behavior that continue to
[16:35] Speaker 2: be rejected by contemporary communities of faith. And my question
[16:40] Speaker 2: to you, Joe Dallas, is what's going to happen when
[16:43] Speaker 2: we cave in? As we are caving in on this subject.
[16:48] Speaker 2: What's going to happen down the line? Look into the future.
[16:52] Speaker 2: What happens if we don't stem the tide?
[16:55] Speaker 3: Well? Down the line is the correct phrase to use, because,
[16:59] Speaker 3: of course, it means we will be blurring lines that
[17:05] Speaker 3: God has clearly drawn. And the more you blur those lines,
[17:10] Speaker 3: the less guidance you provide regarding one of our most
[17:13] Speaker 3: basic drives and one of the easiest drives to get
[17:18] Speaker 3: out of hand, and that is our sexual drive. Created
[17:22] Speaker 3: intent celebrates human sexuality, and it celebrates it within clear
[17:27] Speaker 3: guidelines because our creator fully understands the needs of men
[17:32] Speaker 3: and women, the complementary benefit of the male female relationship,
[17:37] Speaker 3: not to mention the sexual union as a representation of
[17:44] Speaker 3: God's relationship with his people. So we are in for
[17:48] Speaker 3: some very serious consequences. We cannot blur this line without
[17:53] Speaker 3: also blurring the lines that prohibit polygamy and incest and
[18:00] Speaker 3: many other variations of human sexuality. We probably wouldn't even
[18:04] Speaker 3: want a name on this show, Hank. But believe me,
[18:07] Speaker 3: it's not going to stop with this behavior. It's going
[18:10] Speaker 3: to extend itself to behaviors none of.
[18:12] Speaker 2: Us reckoned on and the need for courage.
[18:15] Speaker 3: Yes, And in a way this brings us back to
[18:18] Speaker 3: Christianity one oh one. I think that for so long,
[18:23] Speaker 3: the church and the culture have been on the same
[18:26] Speaker 3: page on many issues, and this is one of them.
[18:29] Speaker 3: The culture, which was not a Christian culture, but certainly
[18:33] Speaker 3: a Christian influenced culture. I mean, the country is not
[18:37] Speaker 3: the church. Not all Americans have necessarily been saved at
[18:41] Speaker 3: any given time, but certainly the church and culture both
[18:44] Speaker 3: pretty much preached the same sexual ethic until we got
[18:48] Speaker 3: into the sixties and particularly the seventies as well, and
[18:53] Speaker 3: that's when the culture started to drift further and further
[18:57] Speaker 3: from biblical authority in Judeo christianciples. And as a result,
[19:01] Speaker 3: now there is increased pressure on the church to shift
[19:07] Speaker 3: with the culture. So you know, we're in a fight
[19:10] Speaker 3: that we really didn't pick, Hank. We didn't ask for this,
[19:14] Speaker 3: but we are being pressured more and more to shift
[19:17] Speaker 3: on positions that we can't shift on. And as a result,
[19:21] Speaker 3: there's this growing tension. So indeed it will call for
[19:25] Speaker 3: courage on our part and kind of a reminder of
[19:28] Speaker 3: the fact that, well, the church's primary mission is not
[19:32] Speaker 3: to be approved of by the world. Of course, we
[19:35] Speaker 3: don't want to go out of our way to create problems.
[19:38] Speaker 3: We don't want to be jerks. But the reality is
[19:41] Speaker 3: the clearer our stand, the more controversy will probably be
[19:47] Speaker 3: generated as the culture shifts further and further away from
[19:51] Speaker 3: that stand.
[19:52] Speaker 2: The popular sentiment today is that the Bible is increasingly
[19:57] Speaker 2: irrelevant in a modern aay just scientific enlightenment, and therefore,
[20:03] Speaker 2: when the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is referenced, it is
[20:07] Speaker 2: not uncommon to see expressions of polite exasperation etched on
[20:12] Speaker 2: the faces of the masses. And the point here that
[20:15] Speaker 2: needs to be underscored, Joe, is that we need as
[20:18] Speaker 2: Christians to be always ready to give an answer for
[20:21] Speaker 2: the hope that lies within us with gentleness and with respect,
[20:25] Speaker 2: and no more important issue than being able to demonstrate
[20:29] Speaker 2: that the Bible is indeed the infallible repository of redemptive revelation.
[20:34] Speaker 2: And that takes some work.
[20:36] Speaker 3: It does. It takes intellectual exercise. It takes, of course, courage,
[20:41] Speaker 3: and you mentioned earlier that we really need to be
[20:45] Speaker 3: drawing on God's spirit as well for the anointing of
[20:49] Speaker 3: the words we speak for enhanced wisdom that James told
[20:54] Speaker 3: us to pray for. In a way, I keep thinking
[20:58] Speaker 3: of this as an issue of drives us more and
[21:01] Speaker 3: more into the proper spiritual disciplines, because to speak on
[21:06] Speaker 3: this issue requires wisdom, sensitivity, courage, clarity. And you know,
[21:13] Speaker 3: right when you want to throw up your hands and say, oh,
[21:15] Speaker 3: forget it, it's too much of a struggle, that's right
[21:17] Speaker 3: when you realize, well, you know, Jesus did say without Me,
[21:22] Speaker 3: you can do nothing, and so it enhances, I think,
[21:26] Speaker 3: our realization of our reliance on him.
[21:28] Speaker 2: Oh beautifully said. And that is the bottom line. We
[21:32] Speaker 2: cannot do it on our own, and we're living with
[21:35] Speaker 2: eternity and mind. And we ought to ultimately think about
[21:39] Speaker 2: this not as a we the siege mentality against any group,
[21:43] Speaker 2: but rather a mission to reach people with the love
[21:48] Speaker 2: and grace and goodness that only Jesus Christ brings to
[21:52] Speaker 2: the human heart. A lot of people hanging on let's
[21:54] Speaker 2: go to the phone calls. Next up is Mark, He's
[21:58] Speaker 2: listening in Midwest Missouri.
[22:00] Speaker 6: Hi Mark, Hi, Hey Kai Joe, Thanks for taking my call.
[22:03] Speaker 6: This is a subject that's very sensitive, obviously, and ultimately
[22:08] Speaker 6: it begins, I think, with the acceptance of the word
[22:11] Speaker 6: as an errand from there it's a free for all
[22:14] Speaker 6: and they are going to listen to the culture. I'm
[22:17] Speaker 6: at a position where I have a unique opportunity that
[22:21] Speaker 6: Christ has placed me to stand in the gap for
[22:24] Speaker 6: impressionable young ones, and I've ultimately come to the conclusion
[22:30] Speaker 6: that's the best thing we can.
[22:31] Speaker 7: Do is pray. Besides that, how do we stand in
[22:36] Speaker 7: the gap to protect the minds of impressionable ones?
[22:44] Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Mark, I think that to a point, we have
[22:49] Speaker 3: to recognize our limitations. There are so many voices out
[22:53] Speaker 3: there now, some of them good, some of them neutral,
[22:56] Speaker 3: some of them terrible, And in a way, I think
[22:59] Speaker 3: that the voice of today are kind of like the air.
[23:02] Speaker 3: There's kind of a general level of pollution that we're
[23:05] Speaker 3: all suffering from, and we can't fully protect anybody from that.
[23:09] Speaker 3: Having said that, of course, there's a lot we can do.
[23:12] Speaker 3: We can be living out the ethics that we preach.
[23:17] Speaker 3: We can be you know, taking our marriage vows very seriously,
[23:22] Speaker 3: taking the admonitions against lust very seriously, you know, and
[23:26] Speaker 3: really modeling for kids especially, but for the culture at large.
[23:31] Speaker 3: Also the fact that Biblical principles work when we take
[23:36] Speaker 3: them seriously, when we apply them, our lives are better.
[23:40] Speaker 3: It's not just right, it's better. And I think that
[23:43] Speaker 3: when we can model a better way, we have much
[23:46] Speaker 3: more authority then to speak to people about the alternatives
[23:51] Speaker 3: to that better way and why they're not satisfactory. So
[23:55] Speaker 3: I think that's one good way to do it. Another,
[23:59] Speaker 3: you know, of course, is to be talking about the
[24:02] Speaker 3: broader principles as opportunity allows. The broader principle being we
[24:07] Speaker 3: have a creator. Our creator loves us, Our creator has
[24:11] Speaker 3: communicated with us and is communicating with us through his word.
[24:16] Speaker 3: What does that word have to say about the critical
[24:19] Speaker 3: issues of our time? And I think following those lines
[24:23] Speaker 3: we can have tremendous impact. This isn't a done deal,
[24:26] Speaker 3: you know, all is not lost. Serious but not lost.
[24:30] Speaker 2: We're talking to Joe Dallas and does always so much
[24:34] Speaker 2: appreciate your contribution to the Christian Research Journal, The Bible
[24:39] Speaker 2: Answerment Broadcast the Christian Research Institute. Joe Dallas He's the
[24:44] Speaker 2: author of five books on human sexuality, including his book
[24:49] Speaker 2: The Complete Christian Guide to Understanding Homosexuality. This is an
[24:54] Speaker 2: issue Joe understands he deals with correctly. But more important
[25:01] Speaker 2: even then his correctness on the subject is his compassion
[25:06] Speaker 2: in communicating and modeling as a role model how we
[25:11] Speaker 2: should deal with this issue in Joe, As always, we
[25:13] Speaker 2: are deeply grateful for your ministry and for your contribution
[25:17] Speaker 2: to our ministry. You are reaching and touching and helping
[25:22] Speaker 2: a lot of lives. And I know you're in the
[25:24] Speaker 2: trenches and sometimes it's tough. But from one Christian leader
[25:27] Speaker 2: to another, thank you so much for your diligence.
[25:32] Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I know that you know a thing
[25:34] Speaker 3: or two about trenches, Hank, and it is always an
[25:37] Speaker 3: honor working with you.
[25:38] Speaker 2: God bless you, my friend, Joe Dallas again. He is
[25:41] Speaker 2: the author of the Bully Pulpit when gay teens commit
[25:45] Speaker 2: suicide and preachers are to blame. It's in the Christian
[25:48] Speaker 2: Research Journal on the Worldwide webitequipped dot org. As we
[25:51] Speaker 2: close the broadcast today, we ask you to stand with
[25:55] Speaker 2: this ministry. We are in the trenches. Sometimes it's tough,
[25:59] Speaker 2: but we need the tough minded who love Jesus to
[26:01] Speaker 2: stand with this ministry because we're making a difference not
[26:05] Speaker 2: by might nor by power, but by His spirit. Again,
[26:10] Speaker 2: my thanks to Joe Dallas. We'll look forward to seeing
[26:13] Speaker 2: you right here next time with more of the Bible
[26:15] Speaker 2: Inserment Broadcast.
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