# Views About Your Origins with William Dembski

An episode of [Bible Answer Man Podcast with Hank Hanegraaff](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/569236334), 12 Aug 2026, 28 min.

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On today’s Bible Answer Man broadcast (08/12/26), Hank shares on how one views their origins will determine their life. William Dembski joins Hank once again to discuss his book, The End of Christianity: Finding a Good God in an Evil World, and his article in the Christian Research Journal titled “Old Earth Creationism and the Fall.”

## Transcript

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[0:46] Speaker 1: answer Man host Hank Canagraph.
[0:48] Speaker 2: Thank you much, Randy. As always, it is a delight
[0:51] Speaker 2: to be in studio to begin with. And I've said
[0:53] Speaker 2: this many times, how one views their origins will ultimately
[0:58] Speaker 2: determine how they live their life. If you think you're
[1:02] Speaker 2: a function of random chance, that you arose from the
[1:06] Speaker 2: primordial slime, you're going to live your life by a
[1:08] Speaker 2: different standard than if you know that you are created
[1:12] Speaker 2: in the image of God and therefore accountable to God.
[1:18] Speaker 2: And in a Christian worldview, we see the unfolding panoply
[1:24] Speaker 2: of history beginning with a fall God creates Adam and Eve.
[1:33] Speaker 2: They fall into lives of perpetual sin, terminated by death.
[1:38] Speaker 2: And then the rest of the Bible becomes God's unfolding
[1:42] Speaker 2: plan of redemption, culminating in a new Heaven and a
[1:46] Speaker 2: new Earth, wherein dwells righteousness, no more death, mourning, crying,
[1:50] Speaker 2: or pain, for the old order of things has passed
[1:53] Speaker 2: away and everything becomes new. And what's interesting about this
[1:58] Speaker 2: is you see in Genesis a tree of life. That
[2:02] Speaker 2: tree of life, however, reappears in the Book of Revelation,
[2:07] Speaker 2: where the Angel shows John the river of the water
[2:10] Speaker 2: of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne
[2:13] Speaker 2: of God and of the Lamb down the middle of
[2:15] Speaker 2: the great street of the city. On each side of
[2:19] Speaker 2: the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing twelve crops
[2:22] Speaker 2: of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. In the leaves
[2:25] Speaker 2: of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
[2:29] Speaker 2: We see in a Christian worldview a resolution to the
[2:33] Speaker 2: problem of evil. Christianity does not give us a peaceful
[2:37] Speaker 2: way to come to terms with the maladies of life.
[2:42] Speaker 2: It does give us something far greater, a way to
[2:46] Speaker 2: overcome them through the power of Christ resurrection. When we
[2:51] Speaker 2: take a real close look at nature. We see the
[2:55] Speaker 2: hand of a majestic God. But we have to want
[3:00] Speaker 2: about some things that have troubled us, and that is,
[3:04] Speaker 2: how could God create a universe in which there seems
[3:08] Speaker 2: to be malevolent evil even prior to the fall? How
[3:14] Speaker 2: do we read God's two books, the Bible and the
[3:18] Speaker 2: Book of Nature in such a way that there's not
[3:21] Speaker 2: conflict but correspondence. How can we see the reality that
[3:27] Speaker 2: Adam's fall is responsible for all sin and yet believe
[3:33] Speaker 2: what the universe seems to be telling us, and that
[3:35] Speaker 2: is it's old. How do we reconcile all of this? Well?
[3:40] Speaker 2: William Dempsky has done a brilliant job of just that.
[3:46] Speaker 2: And quite frankly, though, what William Demsky has laid out
[3:50] Speaker 2: in the End of Christianity finding a good God and
[3:52] Speaker 2: evil world, is not completely unique. He has, in the
[3:57] Speaker 2: modern epic, done the best job of cast to find
[4:00] Speaker 2: a very difficult conundrum problem difficulty that people struggle to
[4:05] Speaker 2: reconcile in a way that's understandable and satisfying. It's intellectually satisfying. Moreover,
[4:15] Speaker 2: it's biblically satisfying. And so I remember reading this book
[4:19] Speaker 2: and Bill Dempsky asked for an endorsement for the book,
[4:24] Speaker 2: and I put a glowing endorsement on the book after
[4:27] Speaker 2: a cursory reading of the book. But I reread this
[4:29] Speaker 2: book and thought, this is a book that every Christian
[4:32] Speaker 2: needs to have in their hands. This is a book
[4:35] Speaker 2: that deals with the problem of evil, deals with the
[4:41] Speaker 2: issue of origins, reconciles an old universe with a faithful
[4:46] Speaker 2: interpretation of scripture. This is a book that people need
[4:50] Speaker 2: to read. And so again it's a delight to have
[4:53] Speaker 2: the author of the book, William Dempsky on the broadcast
[4:57] Speaker 2: and Bill, you are a maybe the leading light in
[5:02] Speaker 2: the intelligent design movement. What caused you to segue into
[5:07] Speaker 2: this project.
[5:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. It's good to be back
[5:10] Speaker 3: with you, Hank. I guess you know, as one argues
[5:14] Speaker 3: for intelligent design, it seems as the years have gone
[5:16] Speaker 3: by that the evidence for design in nature and especially
[5:19] Speaker 3: in biology have gotten better and better. I mean, the
[5:22] Speaker 3: more we're able to get inside the cell, see the
[5:24] Speaker 3: structure in the cell, we find that there's more information,
[5:27] Speaker 3: more processing, more nanotechnology. In fact, our best technologies have
[5:31] Speaker 3: a hard time keeping up with the technologies we're finding
[5:34] Speaker 3: inside the cell. So it seemed that the evidence was
[5:37] Speaker 3: just going in our favor. But then the question still arises,
[5:41] Speaker 3: why is there such big resistance in the sign of
[5:44] Speaker 3: a community to these ideas. And it seemed that one
[5:47] Speaker 3: of the biggest stumbling blocks was this problem of evil,
[5:50] Speaker 3: the problem of I mean, people would sometimes point to
[5:53] Speaker 3: what they regarded as bad design. Well, we could have
[5:55] Speaker 3: designed this better. But usually when people refer to bad
[5:58] Speaker 3: design or incompetent design, and they really have a hard
[6:01] Speaker 3: time planning the design and then implementing it in a
[6:04] Speaker 3: way that, you know, they can prove that it actually
[6:06] Speaker 3: is a better design. It's one thing to say, well,
[6:07] Speaker 3: we could have done it better. It's another thing actually
[6:09] Speaker 3: to engineer it and show that it can be done better.
[6:11] Speaker 3: And the problem with design often is that design is
[6:15] Speaker 3: a matter of tradeoffs and what's the best code hanger?
[6:17] Speaker 3: Is it the lightest? You know, Well, you can make
[6:19] Speaker 3: a titanium coat hanger, but then you're incurring quite a cost,
[6:23] Speaker 3: you know, And so there's always trade offs with design.
[6:25] Speaker 3: So anyway, what I think was the bigger problem is
[6:28] Speaker 3: not so much even what they would say, well, a
[6:30] Speaker 3: bumbling design or whatever, but it was malevolent design, evil design.
[6:35] Speaker 3: Just a moment ago in my living room, my son
[6:38] Speaker 3: Will was watching Animal Planet, and so you have I'm
[6:41] Speaker 3: here in Texas and we've got fire ants all over
[6:43] Speaker 3: the place, originally from South America, and they're nasty critters
[6:47] Speaker 3: and they just go I mean, they're on a rampage
[6:49] Speaker 3: of destruction and they're designed, it seems to destroy other
[6:53] Speaker 3: earth dwelling creatures. And we see this all over the place.
[6:56] Speaker 3: The rabies virus, it seems designed to I'm a Malian
[7:01] Speaker 3: nervous system. You have various types of wasps which Darwin
[7:05] Speaker 3: referred to, where it stings a caterpillar and then lays
[7:09] Speaker 3: its eggs inside and then it's the caterpillar. Those eggs
[7:12] Speaker 3: hatch and they systematically eat the caterpillar, but they save
[7:16] Speaker 3: the vital organs till the end so that they have
[7:19] Speaker 3: a ready food supply. You know, things like that. I
[7:22] Speaker 3: mean it's almost like there's this movie Alien but in
[7:25] Speaker 3: the insect world. And so you have all this nastiness
[7:28] Speaker 3: that's going on in nature and who are what is
[7:31] Speaker 3: responsible for that? And it's a big stumbling block for
[7:36] Speaker 3: the Darwinists. Well it becomes a stumbling block then also
[7:39] Speaker 3: for the Christian who holds thinks that modern cosmology and
[7:44] Speaker 3: astrophysics and geology has largely gotten it right regarding the
[7:48] Speaker 3: age of the Earth and the universe, that the Earth
[7:50] Speaker 3: and universe are much older than a face value reading
[7:54] Speaker 3: of Genesis would lead one to believe. So it becomes
[7:58] Speaker 3: a real challenge then for or an intelligent design proponents
[8:01] Speaker 3: who's also Christian, who's an older creation, is to try
[8:04] Speaker 3: to put this all together. And so that's really what
[8:06] Speaker 3: prompted this book.
[8:08] Speaker 2: So Bill, let's set this up one more time so
[8:12] Speaker 2: people understand exactly why we're pursuing this broadcast and promoting
[8:18] Speaker 2: this book with such vigor. You have a very strong
[8:23] Speaker 2: commitment to the biblical verity that the Fall is responsible
[8:29] Speaker 2: for all evil, natural evil, moral evil, all evil. Obviously
[8:36] Speaker 2: we're making the exception of the fall of Satan, but
[8:39] Speaker 2: we're talking about evil in the world. All of that
[8:43] Speaker 2: evil can be tracee to the fall of Adam and Eve.
[8:46] Speaker 2: And yet you recognize that there is malevolent evil in
[8:51] Speaker 2: the world prior to the fall, And you do not
[8:55] Speaker 2: want to say that malevolent evil is very good. In fact,
[8:59] Speaker 2: you say that flies in the face of all reason.
[9:04] Speaker 3: Well, I do I think, you know, whenever you have
[9:06] Speaker 3: to rationalize something away, I think you've got a problem.
[9:10] Speaker 3: And this is what I found with the older community
[9:13] Speaker 3: when they would deal with the problem of natural evil
[9:16] Speaker 3: prior to the Fall. It was well, it's really not
[9:19] Speaker 3: that bad. It's not morally significant because humans aren't there
[9:23] Speaker 3: to experience it. And yet you know, we look at
[9:26] Speaker 3: it and it sure themes evil. And as we discussed
[9:29] Speaker 3: on the broadcast, you know, we use the evil or
[9:33] Speaker 3: this natural evil that we see in especially the animal world,
[9:38] Speaker 3: as metaphors for our understanding of personal evil. You know,
[9:43] Speaker 3: John the Baptist, you brewed of vipers, Jesus talking about
[9:46] Speaker 3: wolf in sheep's clothing, you know, I mean these are
[9:49] Speaker 3: images drawn from nature. I mean there's something malevolent there
[9:52] Speaker 3: in nature which is then mirroring the evil in our hearts.
[9:56] Speaker 3: So I don't think it's it can be as easily
[9:58] Speaker 3: dismissed now, as I also have pointed out, I mean
[10:02] Speaker 3: this was really not a problem in the Church for
[10:05] Speaker 3: about the first seventeen eighteen hundred years because the face
[10:09] Speaker 3: value reading of Genesis, where the earth seemed to be
[10:13] Speaker 3: only a few thousand years old. There is no science
[10:16] Speaker 3: to contradict it. It seemed to make perfect sense. That
[10:18] Speaker 3: was the most straightforward reading of the text, and yet
[10:22] Speaker 3: with the challenge of modern science, it's then becomes a
[10:26] Speaker 3: problem of reconciling that. How do we make sense if
[10:29] Speaker 3: the earth is in fact that much older, if animal
[10:31] Speaker 3: death and suffering precede the arrival of humans, how can
[10:35] Speaker 3: the fall of Adam be responsible for it? And that's
[10:37] Speaker 3: then the purpose of the book is to answer that question.
[10:40] Speaker 3: And really the point is then to say that the
[10:43] Speaker 3: effects of the fall are retroactive. They work backward in
[10:46] Speaker 3: the past, much as the Salvation of Christ works backward
[10:49] Speaker 3: into the past as well as forward.
[10:51] Speaker 2: We're going to continue our discussion with doctor Bill Demski.
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[15:07] Speaker 2: And now here's Hank Canagraph back to my interview with
[15:10] Speaker 2: Bill Demsky. First, an article in the Christian Research Journal
[15:14] Speaker 2: titled Old Earth Creationism in the Fall, And this is
[15:18] Speaker 2: a very significant article. We're talking about evil in the world,
[15:24] Speaker 2: not just in some ethereal way, some deep philosophical theological
[15:30] Speaker 2: mumbo jumbo over everybody says, no, we're talking about this
[15:33] Speaker 2: on a very practical level because here's the deal. Every
[15:38] Speaker 2: single person that God has ever placed on this planet
[15:43] Speaker 2: is going to spend eternity with God or separated from
[15:50] Speaker 2: His love, his goodness, and his grace. Sometimes, when you
[15:55] Speaker 2: get caught up in all the details, you forget the
[16:00] Speaker 2: end game, and the end game is to use our
[16:04] Speaker 2: lives in a significant way. One of the observations one
[16:09] Speaker 2: of my children made, in fact, it was Hank Junior.
[16:12] Speaker 2: He said, you know, one of the things that's really
[16:14] Speaker 2: interesting about the film we just watched is here you
[16:19] Speaker 2: have a butterfly, and when you look at the intricate
[16:23] Speaker 2: design and the metamorphosis it goes through, and the ability
[16:29] Speaker 2: to migrate from Maine to Mexico, and you think about
[16:33] Speaker 2: the short duration of a butterfly's life. The average butterfly
[16:37] Speaker 2: two to four weeks. If it has the methusologene, maybe
[16:42] Speaker 2: nine months. But it's short. And then he started talking
[16:46] Speaker 2: about our own life, and he said, Dad, isn't that
[16:50] Speaker 2: what our life is like? In God's eye? Our life
[16:56] Speaker 2: is like a vapor here today, gone tomorrow. It's a vapor.
[17:01] Speaker 2: It's short. And so again back to the point. In
[17:07] Speaker 2: this short time on earth, God has given us a
[17:12] Speaker 2: purpose and parenthetically, that's the way this book ends. Janet Dempsky,
[17:17] Speaker 2: Bill's wife, writes the last chapter and it's brilliant, luminous
[17:21] Speaker 2: with purpose. I mean, it's poetry quite frankly. You read
[17:26] Speaker 2: that chapter and you remember that God has left us
[17:31] Speaker 2: here for a purpose, and that purpose is to reach,
[17:33] Speaker 2: not repel, to make a difference, not just to mark time. Again,
[17:38] Speaker 2: the book is called the End of Christianity, Finding a
[17:40] Speaker 2: Good God in an evil world? And the article by
[17:43] Speaker 2: William Dempsky older creationism in the fall back to my
[17:47] Speaker 2: discussion with Bill Dempsky. Again, Bill Dempsky is the leading
[17:52] Speaker 2: light from my perspective in the intelligent design movement, a
[17:57] Speaker 2: very significant movement. And Bill, you're talking before the break
[18:04] Speaker 2: about the fact that you bite the bullet and say
[18:07] Speaker 2: there's malevolent evil in the universe prior to the time
[18:13] Speaker 2: that Adam fell, and yet Adam's fall is responsible for
[18:18] Speaker 2: all evil. So how is it that God could front
[18:21] Speaker 2: load the universe with what you call malevolent evil and
[18:25] Speaker 2: yet he calls it very good?
[18:28] Speaker 4: Right?
[18:29] Speaker 3: And I think that's where I think it's perhaps best
[18:32] Speaker 3: to start with an analogy, because this sounds like backward causation.
[18:36] Speaker 3: Normally When we think in terms of cause and effect,
[18:39] Speaker 3: we think of causes preceding temporarily the effects, and so
[18:44] Speaker 3: this here we have an event that takes place, the
[18:46] Speaker 3: fall of Adam and Eve, and suddenly it ramifies not
[18:49] Speaker 3: just into the future, but also into the past. How
[18:51] Speaker 3: could that be? But if we think of the salvation
[18:54] Speaker 3: in Christ, when Jesus dies on the cross and then resurrects,
[18:58] Speaker 3: he purchases the salvation not only of future beings such
[19:03] Speaker 3: as ourselves, but also the Old Testament saints the people
[19:06] Speaker 3: in the past that trusted in God. So Abraham, why
[19:11] Speaker 3: was he saved ultimately? Was it just in virtue of
[19:14] Speaker 3: his own righteousness? As Christians, we'd have to say, no,
[19:18] Speaker 3: the Cross of Christ reaches back in time as well
[19:22] Speaker 3: and saves him. So that's really that sort of thinking
[19:25] Speaker 3: is what got me going with the retroactive effects of
[19:28] Speaker 3: the fall of Adam and Eve. Now, it's interesting, I mean,
[19:30] Speaker 3: you think about salvation history, right, I mean, the salvation
[19:34] Speaker 3: of Christ reaches back into the past. I don't think
[19:36] Speaker 3: any Christian would dispute that. You know, that's somehow the
[19:39] Speaker 3: economy of salvation is different for the Old Testament people
[19:41] Speaker 3: that somehow they get in on a different standard. I mean,
[19:44] Speaker 3: it still has to be the blood of the Lamb,
[19:47] Speaker 3: and indeed all the Old Testament sacrifices were looking forward
[19:50] Speaker 3: to that. Now, if that event is so significant that
[19:53] Speaker 3: they can reach back into the past, why not the
[19:56] Speaker 3: fall of Adam and Eve? Now, if I had just
[19:59] Speaker 3: left it there, you might say, well, it's just sheer
[20:01] Speaker 3: theological speculation. But then a big part of the book
[20:04] Speaker 3: is trying to make sense of that. I mean, how
[20:06] Speaker 3: can you make sense of it philosophically? Is it even
[20:08] Speaker 3: a coherent notion? And I argue it is that you
[20:11] Speaker 3: can make sense of it, you know, But then you
[20:14] Speaker 3: want to make sense of is there any biblical justification?
[20:18] Speaker 3: I mean, am I just pulling this out of a hat?
[20:20] Speaker 3: Or is there any sort of exegetical foundation there as well?
[20:23] Speaker 3: And I think there is. And what for me was
[20:26] Speaker 3: perhaps the most telling point as I started reflecting on
[20:28] Speaker 3: this is the garden. You know, if you think in
[20:32] Speaker 3: terms of a Young Earth's perspective, where basically God creates
[20:35] Speaker 3: a perfect world, humanity sins and then things go haywire.
[20:39] Speaker 3: Then natural and moral evil both starts. You know, it
[20:43] Speaker 3: would seem that the entire world would be perfect. And
[20:45] Speaker 3: yet when we read in Genesis, God puts Adam and
[20:49] Speaker 3: Eve in a garden, in a segregated area. It's something
[20:53] Speaker 3: that's separated from the rest of creation. Now you ask yourself,
[20:57] Speaker 3: why would God have to set aside a garden. Why
[20:59] Speaker 3: wouldn't the entire world be a garden if everything was
[21:03] Speaker 3: fine and dandy. And it seemed to me that that's
[21:06] Speaker 3: a selling point, if you will, of this view that
[21:08] Speaker 3: I'm putting forward, that God does put Adam and Eve
[21:11] Speaker 3: in a segregated area, and what's outside that area, Well,
[21:15] Speaker 3: we're not told what's outside the area as they're being
[21:18] Speaker 3: put into, but we are told what's outside it when
[21:20] Speaker 3: they're ejected from that garden. And it's a place of suffering.
[21:24] Speaker 3: It's a place of thorns, it's a place of nasty things.
[21:28] Speaker 3: And where do Adam and Eve want to go when
[21:31] Speaker 3: they've fin ejected. They want to get back to the gardens,
[21:33] Speaker 3: but their way is barred by the angels. So it
[21:36] Speaker 3: seems to me, just the mere fact that there is
[21:39] Speaker 3: this paradise, you know, which suggests something outside the paradise
[21:44] Speaker 3: that suggests that there is natural evil even before temporarily speaking,
[21:50] Speaker 3: before the fall, now, how can God call this all good? Well,
[21:54] Speaker 3: the thing is, God is not bound by time. I mean,
[21:57] Speaker 3: the evil that's in the natural world temporarily speaking, prior
[22:02] Speaker 3: to Adam and Eve is brought about by God in
[22:05] Speaker 3: anticipation of the evil that they will do. So it's
[22:10] Speaker 3: if you will, temporally speaking, you've got the evil before.
[22:13] Speaker 3: But in terms of the purposes of God, God's first
[22:15] Speaker 3: purposes was that humanity would be created in God's image
[22:18] Speaker 3: to serve him and worship him and to glorify him,
[22:21] Speaker 3: and that sin was not the intention. But when that happens,
[22:27] Speaker 3: then there are in God's purposes. And this is where
[22:30] Speaker 3: I make a distinction between chiros and chronas God's time
[22:33] Speaker 3: and time as we experience it God's time. It's in
[22:37] Speaker 3: a sense the dependency of purposes. God has one purpose,
[22:40] Speaker 3: and purposes depend on other purposes. And if you're going
[22:43] Speaker 3: to create fish, you're going to have to have water
[22:46] Speaker 3: before you can have fish. I mean, so there's the dependence,
[22:49] Speaker 3: the illogical dependency, and if you will, that's in the
[22:52] Speaker 3: mind of God, their logical dependencies, and that evil is
[22:56] Speaker 3: something that's logically downstreamed from the original good creation. And
[22:59] Speaker 3: I think That's why God can look at him and
[23:02] Speaker 3: even look at the creation as He intended it and
[23:05] Speaker 3: call it good, even though when we see it in
[23:09] Speaker 3: terms of linear time, we find that natural evil does
[23:13] Speaker 3: precede the actual beginning of human sin.
[23:17] Speaker 2: So when God says the universe is created very good,
[23:22] Speaker 2: that statement has to do with Chiros rather than Kronos.
[23:28] Speaker 3: I would say, yes, it's in God's purposes. I don't
[23:32] Speaker 3: think any sort of coherent Christian theology can save that
[23:36] Speaker 3: it is God's plan for humans to sin, that God
[23:41] Speaker 3: makes them sin, or that God intends them to sin.
[23:44] Speaker 3: I mean God created humanity in his image. I mean
[23:48] Speaker 3: we're in God's image. There is no evil in God,
[23:51] Speaker 3: So that evil has to be something subsequent, a turning away,
[23:55] Speaker 3: a perversion, a twisting of God's initial good purposes. Now,
[24:00] Speaker 3: this notion of Chiros, I want to be careful there,
[24:02] Speaker 3: because I think one critic of the book, in reviewing
[24:05] Speaker 3: it was basically saying, well, then, you know, so it
[24:08] Speaker 3: happened in sort of this never never land of time,
[24:10] Speaker 3: But then what about you know? Is Genesis one doesn't
[24:13] Speaker 3: happen in real time in kronas well. I don't want
[24:17] Speaker 3: to even make that distinction. I think Chiros in a
[24:19] Speaker 3: sense is more real than Chronus because God's purposes will happen,
[24:23] Speaker 3: and this is a world that's created by divine wisdom.
[24:26] Speaker 3: So God's purposes are primary and the world is an
[24:29] Speaker 3: expression of those purposes. But this critic was concerned that
[24:33] Speaker 3: we'll do these things in Genesis one also happened, And
[24:35] Speaker 3: what I want to say is that Chiros and Chronos,
[24:37] Speaker 3: they're not mutually exclusive. Indeed, I think everything that is
[24:40] Speaker 3: described in Genesis one is something that also happens in Kronos.
[24:45] Speaker 3: But you look at Genesis one, I mean there seem
[24:47] Speaker 3: to be some interesting parallels and things going on. I mean,
[24:51] Speaker 3: look at how Genesis the first three days stack up
[24:54] Speaker 3: against the second three days. You know, it's in a
[24:58] Speaker 3: sense day one provide it's the backdrop for day four,
[25:01] Speaker 3: day to the backdrop today five, et cetera. So I
[25:04] Speaker 3: think there's some literary and interesting things going on there,
[25:08] Speaker 3: which suggests that there is both Hiros and Chronos going
[25:11] Speaker 3: on there.
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