# 424: ‘Live From WWDC 2025’, With Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel

An episode of [The Talk Show With John Gruber](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/528458508), 14 Jun 2025, 2 h 06 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/daringfireball/thetalkshow-424-live-from-wwdc-2025.mp3

Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose Tuesday evening, special guests Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel join me to discuss Apple’s announcements at WWDC 2025. Video: This show is available to watch in 4K video on YouTube. 3D video with spatial audio: Exclusively in Sandwich Vision's Theater on Vision Pro, available on the App Store. Sponsored by: • iMazing: The world’s most trusted software to transfer and save your messages, music, files, and data from your iPhone or iPad to your Mac or PC. • DetailsPro: Design with SwiftUI anytime, anywhere -- on iPhone, iPad, Mac, or Apple Vision Pro. • Ooni: Next-gen pizza power. The Koda 2 Pro oven features smarter heat, more room, and easier control. Save 10% with code thetalkshow. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good. Links: • WWDC 2025 Keynote. • Joanna’s full 24-minute interview with Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak this week. • The Verge: 28-minute supercut of the WWDC 2025 keynote and their take on the 13 biggest announcements. This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

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