# 421: ‘The Ratchet of Flippancy’, With Craig Mod

An episode of [The Talk Show With John Gruber](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/528458508), 30 Apr 2025, 1 h 53 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/daringfireball/thetalkshow-421-craig-mod.mp3

Craig Mod returns to the show to discuss his splendid new book, Things Become Other Things. Other topics include creating with AI tools (including programming), social media permanence vs. ephemerality, and more. Sponsored by: • Dekáf Coffee Roasters: You won’t believe it’s decaf. That’s the point. 30% off with code: DF. • Squarespace: Make your next move. Use code talkshow for 10% off your first order. • Notion: Try the powerful, easy-to-use Notion AI today. • WorkOS: The modern identity platform for B2B SaaS — free up to 1 million monthly active users. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good. Links: • “Things Become Other Things”, Craig’s new book from Random House (!): • Craig’s web page for the book — including tour dates. • Random House’s page for the book. • Purchase links: • Amazon • Bookshop.org • Apple Books • Barnes & Noble • Craig’s home page. • The Good Place — Craig’s write-up on designing and building (with Claude Code) his own custom Twitter-like ephemeral social network for members of his (fun, excellent) Special Projects website. • Ulysses — Craig’s writing app of choice. This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

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