# 331 - Wicked Problems - Martin Carcasson

An episode of [You Are Not So Smart](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/521594713), 19 Jan 2026, 1 h 07 min.

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Dr. Martin Carcasson tells us how he, as the Director of the Center for Public Deliberation at Colorado State, trains people how to facilitate deliberation and overcome wicked problems so that they can "spark processes that are particularly designed to avoid triggering the worst in human nature and tap into the best." Kitted Executive Academy The Center for Public Deliberation The Listen First Coalition Better Together America Martin Carcasson The Toulmin Model Wicked Problems How Minds Change David McRaney’s Twitter David McRaney’s BlueSky YANSS Twitter Newsletter Show Notes Patreon Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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