# 180 - Meltdown - Chris Clearfield

An episode of [You Are Not So Smart](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/521594713), 18 May 2020, 1 h 48 min.

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In this episode we sit down with Chris Clearfield, author of Meltdown: Why Our Systems Fail and What We Can Do About It Patreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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