# 735: Design System Docs, CodePen’s API, and Bucket Filling Conversations

An episode of [ShopTalk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/493890455), 5 Oct 2026, 57 min.

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Show Description Dave and Chris explore the evolving landscape of design systems, CodePen's new API features, what happens when an app moves your cheese and how to respond, and Regretful API's. Listen on Website Watch on YouTube Links • Bear — Markdown Notes • Design System Doc Spec 0.21.2 • 437: The Cheese. It Has Been Moved. — CodePen • CodePen PRO • TypeSafe AI • Tupo — A daily sudoku-style logic puzzle with a twist Sponsors AI and Design Systems AI delivers speed, but can make a huge mess. Design systems encode your org's standards of quality, but can be difficult to wield. Together, AI & Design Systems are a powerful combination to deliver quality, speed, and scale. Join industry experts TJ Pitre (Product Architect for AI & Design Systems at Figma), Brad Frost (creator of Atomic Design), and Ian Frost (veteran design systems developer) to learn AI & Design Systems core concepts, practical techniques to help your team deliver great digital products at scale.

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