# Interview: Grief is complicated — but drawing cartoons can help with Dr. Nathan Gray

An episode of [TED Health](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/470623173), 2 Dec 2025, 32 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/67585b08102e6d4448d360b1/e/6925fdbb44d46fbcb23e0360/media.mp3

With just a few lines, cartoons can say so much with so little. In a moving talk, cartoonist Navied Mahdavian shares his process for distilling huge concepts into drawings on the page — and shows how his work helped him grieve the death of his beloved grandmother, flaws and all. After the talk, Shoshana interviews Nathan Gray on the use of comics and art to educate and explore the ironies of the medical world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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