# A story of moral imagination and bold entrepreneurship | Sitoyo Lopokoiyit in conversation with Jacqueline Novogratz

An episode of [TED Business](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/470622782), 15 Sep 2025, 22 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/675727607205a5bc68e57057/e/68c46b0186eb67a6f629eed7/media.mp3

In a conversation about visionary leadership, M-PESA CEO Sitoyo Lopokoiyit speaks with impact investor and Acumen CEO Jacqueline Novogratz about how he grew a nascent mobile payment service into Africa’s largest fintech platform — which now handles nearly 60 percent of Kenya's GDP and more than a billion dollars in daily transactions. They draw on insights from both of their careers to explore how trust, innovation and moral imagination can unlock opportunity in overlooked places. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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