# The Hormone Conversation Medicine Keeps Getting Wrong

An episode of [HEALTH TALK AMERICA](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/453006069), 28 Jun 2026, 45 min.

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If you have ever been told you are too young for hormone changes — or walked out of a doctor's office with more questions than answers — this episode is for you. Dr. Adam Brockman sits down with naturopathic physician and women's integrative health specialist Dr. AnnaAlisa Behling for one of the most clinically honest conversations about perimenopause and menopause you will find anywhere. They cover what is actually happening hormonally during the transition, why conventional medicine keeps getting the timeline wrong, the surprising role your gut plays in estrogen balance, and the specific nutrients and dietary strategies that can change the trajectory of symptoms. This is not a feel-good overview. This is the conversation your doctor should have had with you years ago.

## Transcript

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[1:32] Speaker 2: let's go ahead and get into this. My guest for
[1:34] Speaker 2: this hour is doctor Anna Lisa Balen. She is a
[1:38] Speaker 2: doctor of nature pathic medicine with more than twenty five
[1:42] Speaker 2: years of experience and integrative and functional medicine. She earned
[1:46] Speaker 2: her undergraduate degree from Duke University and her doctorate in
[1:50] Speaker 2: nature pathic Medicine from the National College of Naturopathic Medicine
[1:54] Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon. It's one of the most respective programs
[1:57] Speaker 2: in the country. Doctor Balen is internationally recognized in the
[2:01] Speaker 2: field of women's health in phidotherapy and that is the
[2:05] Speaker 2: science of plant based medicine. She maintains three private practices
[2:10] Speaker 2: in Michigan, serves as the vice president of the Michigan
[2:13] Speaker 2: Nature Pathic Association, and she sits on the scientific review
[2:17] Speaker 2: board of Da Vinci Laboratories. And that's a company with
[2:20] Speaker 2: a long standing reputation for pharmaceutical grade nutraceutical formulations. She
[2:26] Speaker 2: lectures internationally. She is the real deal and she is
[2:29] Speaker 2: with us today. Doctor Baialing, I want to welcome you
[2:32] Speaker 2: to Health Talk America. How are you today.
[2:33] Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, Doctor Adam, It's
[2:36] Speaker 3: great to be here with you.
[2:38] Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here, and so let's go ahead
[2:40] Speaker 2: and get in this conversation, doctor Bialing. You know I
[2:44] Speaker 2: said in the first segment we were talking about perimenopause
[2:48] Speaker 2: and menopause. So I want you to tell our listeners
[2:51] Speaker 2: what actually happens hormonally during perimenopause versus menopause, because I
[2:57] Speaker 2: think a lot of women and there they almost use
[3:01] Speaker 2: those those terms interchangeably and they're not exactly the same thing.
[3:06] Speaker 2: So can you please explain that for our listeners.
[3:08] Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, so, you're absolutely right. A lot of times
[3:11] Speaker 3: it's just menopause is thought of as a long process,
[3:14] Speaker 3: and truly that's not the case. Perimenopause is the stage,
[3:19] Speaker 3: the very transitional stage before menopause menopause itself, although the
[3:23] Speaker 3: nature is similar where both in both stages they have
[3:27] Speaker 3: decline of a lot of the hormones. But menopause itself
[3:31] Speaker 3: is really the stage of after twelve consecutive months where
[3:35] Speaker 3: there's no period, no menstrual loss, So perimenopause can last
[3:40] Speaker 3: ten years or more, but menopause is really just like
[3:43] Speaker 3: a very definite stage of maybe just a day or two.
[3:47] Speaker 3: And then after menopause is actually postmenopause. So in a
[3:50] Speaker 3: women's life, we actually have four stages the premenopause, perimenopause, menopause,
[3:55] Speaker 3: and postmenopause. So even though those terms are used interchangeably,
[3:59] Speaker 3: just for people done understand that, you know, the nature
[4:02] Speaker 3: of the stages are similar with perimenopause and menopause, where
[4:05] Speaker 3: there's decline of those hormones and we're not just talking
[4:08] Speaker 3: about estrogen or progesterone. We're also talking about testosterone loss,
[4:12] Speaker 3: DHA loss and then also increases in F s H
[4:15] Speaker 3: and LH. So the nature of those stages are similar,
[4:18] Speaker 3: but the duration is much different.
[4:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a clinical picture that that I want
[4:25] Speaker 2: every woman to start with and to understand, because what
[4:30] Speaker 2: doctor Baylen described is is not some type of like
[4:34] Speaker 2: a character flaw, and it's not just anxiety. It's it's
[4:38] Speaker 2: not getting older in some vague or dismissive sense.
[4:43] Speaker 4: It's a specific it's an.
[4:45] Speaker 2: Identifiable hormonal event that it has some physiology behind it,
[4:50] Speaker 2: and it's got a timeline and a set of solutions,
[4:55] Speaker 2: and so I think that's a distinction I want want
[4:57] Speaker 2: everybody to understand from that fluctuation to the to even
[5:01] Speaker 2: some of that adaptation, which we're going to get into
[5:04] Speaker 2: into the end of this hour. It's it's something that
[5:06] Speaker 2: like clinicians, they should be communicating far more clearly in practice.
[5:11] Speaker 5: It.
[5:12] Speaker 2: So I wanted to kind of pull back on that
[5:15] Speaker 2: progesterone thread a little bit because the concept of of
[5:20] Speaker 2: that unopposed estrogen and that's where the progesterone it drops
[5:24] Speaker 2: first is is one that it gets very little attention
[5:28] Speaker 2: in that that conventional medical setting. The women there, they're
[5:33] Speaker 2: often they look at their their labs and they look
[5:35] Speaker 2: fine because that total estrogen is not not dramatically elevated.
[5:40] Speaker 6: But but doctor Baily, I wanted to talk about that,
[5:43] Speaker 6: that that ratio and that that nuance it matters because, uh,
[5:47] Speaker 6: because for the listeners, the women, I want them to
[5:49] Speaker 6: keep that in that back pocket because it connects some
[5:52] Speaker 6: of the questions that we're going to come back to today.
[5:54] Speaker 2: So, so when should women actually expect the symptoms to start?
[6:00] Speaker 2: And what is considered normal because I hear hear from
[6:05] Speaker 2: so many women who feel like something is wrong, only
[6:08] Speaker 2: be told they are too young for menopause.
[6:11] Speaker 3: Right, right, Well, so that's the joke. There is no
[6:14] Speaker 3: normal with perimenopause, because perimenopause is like a wild card.
[6:20] Speaker 3: You can have so many different symptoms. But also because
[6:22] Speaker 3: it's that transitional fluctual, it's a fluctuation of all these
[6:26] Speaker 3: hormones going on that it's going to be like a
[6:29] Speaker 3: roller coaster. Right, So there's not one normal and that's
[6:31] Speaker 3: okay too. Typically, you know, the science will say that,
[6:36] Speaker 3: you know, typical perimenopause will start in the forties, but
[6:41] Speaker 3: it can actually start earlier in the thirties or even
[6:44] Speaker 3: the twenties if you have issues with your ovaries. Menopause.
[6:48] Speaker 3: The average age of menopause, as we said, it's a
[6:50] Speaker 3: very definitive, very you know, stable time when it's twelve
[6:54] Speaker 3: months after no cycles, that usually is in the fifties.
[6:58] Speaker 3: You know, the average age is fifty one, just to
[7:00] Speaker 3: science says. But the reality is, as you mentioned earlier,
[7:05] Speaker 3: you have in perimenopause, which can be ten years plus
[7:08] Speaker 3: you've got this like EBB and flow of estrogen and pgesterone,
[7:12] Speaker 3: and typically it's the progesterone that's declining and the estrogen
[7:15] Speaker 3: is staying stable, stable, stable until more mid perimenopause, and
[7:19] Speaker 3: then it's declining. And that's because the FSH and LH
[7:22] Speaker 3: are working with those too. So those are part of
[7:25] Speaker 3: your you know, the underlying hormones that work with the
[7:28] Speaker 3: estrogen and the progesterone and help the ovaries to make
[7:32] Speaker 3: output of those hormones. But DHA and testosterone play a
[7:36] Speaker 3: picture in women's hormones too. Testosterone always thinking men thinking
[7:40] Speaker 3: of now here's about muscle mass. But testosterone is really
[7:43] Speaker 3: important because we're having a very steady decline also in
[7:46] Speaker 3: that perimenopause and menopausal time, which testosterone could affect just
[7:51] Speaker 3: the same things that can affect libido, your muscle mass,
[7:53] Speaker 3: it can affect your energy, it can affects your brain health,
[7:58] Speaker 3: so very similar to loss of estrogen or even progesterone. Right,
[8:01] Speaker 3: so we've got to watch out for all of these hormones.
[8:04] Speaker 3: DHA another one which is really important for everything. It's
[8:07] Speaker 3: your actually your precursor to testosterone and estrogen is DHA,
[8:12] Speaker 3: which comes from the adrenals and sometimes the go and
[8:14] Speaker 3: ads too, so we have to I actually do testing
[8:18] Speaker 3: in my I'm a naturopathic doctor, so I believe in
[8:21] Speaker 3: doing good functional medicine testing that can be both blood work,
[8:24] Speaker 3: that can be saliva hormone or urinary hormone testing. So
[8:29] Speaker 3: I think testing is really important when you're in your
[8:31] Speaker 3: forties and maybe even you know, the early forties, late forties,
[8:36] Speaker 3: to see where you are, where's your midline, where's your base,
[8:39] Speaker 3: to see where you're going, because you're probably just going
[8:41] Speaker 3: to decline from there. But if we know where you're headed,
[8:43] Speaker 3: then we can do something about treatment options and overall
[8:47] Speaker 3: wellness and health when it comes to both your physical
[8:49] Speaker 3: output and your physical health and your your mental emotional
[8:52] Speaker 3: Part two.
[8:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm even going to take it a step
[8:56] Speaker 2: further and talk about to the women in their mid thirties,
[9:01] Speaker 2: because this answer it often surprises people. You know, perimenopause,
[9:06] Speaker 2: it can begin anywhere from from let's say eight to
[9:09] Speaker 2: ten years before that that final menstrual period. So for
[9:13] Speaker 2: for many women, that means these these perimntal pause aal
[9:18] Speaker 2: they these changes are underway in their in their late
[9:21] Speaker 2: thirties or like you mentioned, the forties, and and yet
[9:24] Speaker 2: the average age at which women are actually diagnosed or
[9:30] Speaker 2: I'd hate to say the word diagnosed here here maybe
[9:33] Speaker 2: because you know this is this is a part of
[9:35] Speaker 2: the normal aging.
[9:37] Speaker 4: If you will it.
[9:39] Speaker 2: You know, it's a conversation they need to have with
[9:41] Speaker 2: their doctor, and it's often happens in that late forties
[9:45] Speaker 2: and early fifties. That's a significant gap, and I think
[9:49] Speaker 2: there's a lot of intervention that can take place before
[9:53] Speaker 2: before that that you are too young, and you know,
[9:56] Speaker 2: say say a woman leaves that office, they feel dismissed, fused,
[10:00] Speaker 2: and frankly get a gas lid. That is the reality
[10:04] Speaker 2: for four too many women. And so I appreciate you
[10:07] Speaker 2: taking the time to explain this a little bit further
[10:09] Speaker 2: with us.
[10:09] Speaker 4: Doctor.
[10:11] Speaker 2: So the clinical window that you're describing, that again we're
[10:15] Speaker 2: talking about a eight to tier ten year lead time.
[10:18] Speaker 2: It's also opportunity window and that's what I want a
[10:21] Speaker 2: lot of women to hear. So all right, we got
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[12:15] Speaker 2: I'm doctor Adam Brockman. It's good to have you here
[12:18] Speaker 2: with us, and I mean that because what we are
[12:20] Speaker 2: doing the rest of this hour is exactly the kind
[12:23] Speaker 2: of conversation that belongs on health Talk America. And the
[12:26] Speaker 2: number to join in the conversation is eight hundred six
[12:29] Speaker 2: zero six eight A two to two. Your calls are
[12:32] Speaker 2: always welcome, and everything we discussed today lives at Healthtalkamerica
[12:37] Speaker 2: dot com. That's Healthtalkamerica dot com. Now let's go ahead
[12:42] Speaker 2: and get into this. My guest for this hour is
[12:44] Speaker 2: doctor Anna Lisa Bilin. She is a doctor of nature
[12:48] Speaker 2: Pathic Medicine with more than twenty five years of experience
[12:52] Speaker 2: and integrative and functional medicine. She earned her undergraduate degree
[12:56] Speaker 2: from Duke University and her doctorate in nature path Medicine
[13:00] Speaker 2: from the National College of Nature Pathic Medicine in Portland, Oregon.
[13:04] Speaker 2: It's one of the most respective programs in the country.
[13:08] Speaker 2: Doctor Baaling is internationally recognized in the field of women's
[13:12] Speaker 2: health in phidotherapy, and that is the science of plant
[13:15] Speaker 2: based medicine. She maintains three private practices in Michigan, serves
[13:20] Speaker 2: as the vice president of the Michigan Nature Pathic Association,
[13:24] Speaker 2: and she sits on the scientific review board of Da
[13:27] Speaker 2: Vinci Laboratories. And that's a company with a long standing
[13:30] Speaker 2: reputation for pharmaceutical grade nutraceutical formulations. She lectures internationally. She
[13:37] Speaker 2: is the real deal and she is with us today,
[13:39] Speaker 2: doctor Baling. I want to welcome you to Health Talk America.
[13:41] Speaker 2: How are you today.
[13:42] Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, doctor Adam, It's
[13:45] Speaker 3: great to be here with you.
[13:46] Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here, and so let's go ahead
[13:49] Speaker 2: and get in this conversation, doctor Bailing. You know I
[13:53] Speaker 2: said in the first segment we're talking about perimenopause and menopause.
[13:58] Speaker 2: So I want you to tell our list there's what
[14:00] Speaker 2: actually happens hormonally during perimenopause versus menopause, because I think
[14:06] Speaker 2: a lot of women and their doctors they almost use
[14:10] Speaker 2: those those terms interchangeably and they're not exactly the same thing.
[14:14] Speaker 2: So can you please explain that for listeners?
[14:17] Speaker 7: Right?
[14:17] Speaker 3: Absolutely, so, you're absolutely right, A lot of times it's
[14:20] Speaker 3: just menopause is thought of as a long process, and
[14:23] Speaker 3: truly that's not the case. Perimenopause is the stage, the
[14:27] Speaker 3: very transitional stage before menopause menopause itself, although the nature
[14:32] Speaker 3: is similar where both in both stages they have decline
[14:36] Speaker 3: of a lot of the hormones, but menopause itself is
[14:39] Speaker 3: really the stage of after twelve consecutive months where there's
[14:44] Speaker 3: no period, no menstrual loss, So perimenopause can last ten
[14:49] Speaker 3: years or more, but menopause is really just like a
[14:52] Speaker 3: very definite stage of maybe just a day or two.
[14:55] Speaker 3: And then after menopause is actually postmenopause. So in a
[14:58] Speaker 3: women's life, we actually have or stages the premenopause, perimenopause, menopause,
[15:03] Speaker 3: and postmenopause. So even though those terms are used interchangeably,
[15:07] Speaker 3: just for people to understand that, you know, the nature
[15:10] Speaker 3: of the stages are similar with perimenopause menopause, where there's
[15:13] Speaker 3: decline of those hormones and we're not just talking about
[15:16] Speaker 3: estrogen or progesterone. We're also talking about testosterone loss, DHA
[15:21] Speaker 3: loss and then also increases in F s H and LH.
[15:24] Speaker 3: So the nature of those stages are similar, but the
[15:27] Speaker 3: duration is much different.
[15:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a clinical picture that I want every
[15:34] Speaker 2: woman to start with and to understand, because what doctor
[15:39] Speaker 2: Bayling described is not some type of like a character flaw,
[15:43] Speaker 2: And it's not just anxiety. It's not getting older in
[15:48] Speaker 2: some vague or dismissive sense. It's a specific it's an
[15:53] Speaker 2: identifiable hormonal event that it has some physiology behind it,
[15:58] Speaker 2: and it's got a topline and a set of solutions
[16:02] Speaker 2: and and so I think that's a distinction I want
[16:05] Speaker 2: want everybody to understand, from that fluctuation to the to
[16:08] Speaker 2: even some of that adaptation, which we're going to get
[16:11] Speaker 2: into into the end of this hour. It's it's something
[16:14] Speaker 2: that like clinicians, they should be communicating far more clearly
[16:18] Speaker 2: in practice. It So I wanted to kind of pull
[16:22] Speaker 2: back on that progesterone thread a little bit because the
[16:26] Speaker 2: concept of of that unopposed estrogen and that's where the
[16:31] Speaker 2: progesterone it drops first is is one that it gets
[16:35] Speaker 2: very little attention in that that conventional medical setting. The
[16:39] Speaker 2: women there, they're often they look at their their labs
[16:42] Speaker 2: and they look fine, because that total estrogen is not
[16:46] Speaker 2: not dramatically elevated.
[16:48] Speaker 6: But but doctor Bill, I wanted to talk about that,
[16:50] Speaker 6: that that ratio and that that nuance.
[16:53] Speaker 2: It matters because, uh, because for the listeners, the women,
[16:56] Speaker 2: I want them to keep that in that back pocket
[16:58] Speaker 2: because it connects some of the questions that we're going
[17:00] Speaker 2: to come back to today. So when should women actually
[17:05] Speaker 2: expect the symptoms to start and what is considered normal?
[17:11] Speaker 2: Because I hear hear from so many women who feel
[17:14] Speaker 2: like something is wrong, only be told they are too
[17:17] Speaker 2: young for menopause.
[17:18] Speaker 3: Right, right, Well, so that's the joke. There is no
[17:21] Speaker 3: normal with perimenopause, because perimenopause is like a wild card.
[17:27] Speaker 3: You can have so many different symptoms. But also because
[17:29] Speaker 3: it's that transitional, fluctual, it's a fluctuation of all these
[17:33] Speaker 3: hormones going on that it's going to be like a
[17:36] Speaker 3: roller coaster. Right, So there's not one normal and that's
[17:38] Speaker 3: okay too. Typically, you know, the science will say that,
[17:43] Speaker 3: you know, typical perimenopause will start in the forties, but
[17:48] Speaker 3: it can actually start earlier in the thirties or even
[17:51] Speaker 3: the twenties if you have issues with your ovaries. Menopause.
[17:54] Speaker 3: The average age of menopause as we said, it's a
[17:57] Speaker 3: very definitive, very you know, stable time when it's twelve
[18:01] Speaker 3: months after no cycles, that usually is in the fifties.
[18:05] Speaker 3: You know, the average age is fifty one, just to
[18:07] Speaker 3: science says. But the reality is, as you mentioned earlier,
[18:12] Speaker 3: you have in perimenopause, which can be ten years plus,
[18:15] Speaker 3: you've got this like EBB and flow of estrogen and progesterone,
[18:18] Speaker 3: and typically it's the progesterone that's declining and the estrogen
[18:22] Speaker 3: is staying stable, stable, stable until more mid perimenopause, and
[18:26] Speaker 3: then it's declining. And that's because the FSH and LH
[18:29] Speaker 3: are working with those too. So those are part of
[18:32] Speaker 3: your you know, the underlying hormones that work with the
[18:34] Speaker 3: estrogen and the progesterone and help the ovaries to make
[18:38] Speaker 3: output of those hormones. But DHA and testosterone play a
[18:42] Speaker 3: picture in women's hormones too. Testosterone always thinking men thinking
[18:46] Speaker 3: of now here's about muscle mass. But testosterone is really
[18:49] Speaker 3: important because we're having a very steady decline also in
[18:53] Speaker 3: that perimenopause and menopausal time, which no testosterone could affect
[18:57] Speaker 3: just the same things that can affect libido, your muscle,
[19:00] Speaker 3: it can affect your energy, it can affect your brain health,
[19:04] Speaker 3: so very similar to loss of estrogens or even progesterone. Right,
[19:08] Speaker 3: so we've got to watch out for all of these hormones.
[19:11] Speaker 3: DHA another one which is really important for everything. It's
[19:14] Speaker 3: your actually your precursor to testosterone and estrogen is DHA,
[19:18] Speaker 3: which comes from the adrenals and sometimes the go and
[19:20] Speaker 3: ads too, So we have to I actually do testing
[19:24] Speaker 3: in my I'm a naturopathic doctor, so I believe in
[19:27] Speaker 3: doing good functional medicine testing. That can be both blood work,
[19:30] Speaker 3: that can be saliva hormone or urinary hormone testing. So
[19:35] Speaker 3: I think testing is really important when you're in your
[19:37] Speaker 3: forties and maybe even you know, the early forties, late forties,
[19:42] Speaker 3: to see where you are, where's your midline, where's your base,
[19:45] Speaker 3: to see where you're going, because you're probably just going
[19:47] Speaker 3: to decline from there. But if we know where you're headed,
[19:49] Speaker 3: then we can do something about treatment options and overall
[19:53] Speaker 3: wellness and health when it comes to both your physical
[19:55] Speaker 3: output and your physical health and your your mental emotional
[19:58] Speaker 3: Part two.
[20:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm even gonna take it a step further
[20:03] Speaker 2: and talk about to the to the women in their
[20:05] Speaker 2: in their mid thirties, because the this answer it often
[20:09] Speaker 2: surprises people. You know, perimenopause, it can begin anywhere from
[20:13] Speaker 2: from let's say eight to ten years before that that
[20:16] Speaker 2: final menstrual period. So for for many women, that means
[20:22] Speaker 2: these these paramntal pause aality, these changes are underway in
[20:25] Speaker 2: their in their late thirties or like you mentioned, the forties.
[20:29] Speaker 2: And and yet the average age at which women are
[20:33] Speaker 2: actually diagnosed or or I hate to say the word
[20:37] Speaker 2: diagnosed here here maybe because you know this is this
[20:39] Speaker 2: is a part of the normal aging if you will
[20:44] Speaker 2: uh it. You know, it's a conversation that they need
[20:46] Speaker 2: to have with their doctor, and it's often happens in
[20:49] Speaker 2: that late forties and early fifties. That's a significant gap.
[20:53] Speaker 2: And and I think there's a lot of intervention that
[20:56] Speaker 2: can take place before before that that you are too young.
[21:01] Speaker 4: And you know, a.
[21:02] Speaker 2: Woman leaves that office, they feel dismissed, confused, and frankly
[21:07] Speaker 2: get a gas lid. That is the reality for four
[21:10] Speaker 2: too many women. And so I appreciate you taking the
[21:13] Speaker 2: time to explain this a little bit further with us, doctor.
[21:16] Speaker 2: So the clinical window that you're describing that again we're
[21:20] Speaker 2: talking about a eight to tier ten year lead time.
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[22:55] Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and continue with doctor Bayling, Doctor Ballen's
[22:59] Speaker 2: let's talk about myths. What are some of the biggest
[23:02] Speaker 2: myths out there about menopause that you would wish would
[23:06] Speaker 2: just simply disappear? The ones that do the most harm
[23:10] Speaker 2: to women's health.
[23:11] Speaker 4: I could say.
[23:13] Speaker 3: We have time for just keep listening.
[23:16] Speaker 7: We'll keep you go.
[23:18] Speaker 3: There's quite a few, because, like as we talked about
[23:21] Speaker 3: earlier in the segment, people really don't define menopause or
[23:25] Speaker 3: perimenopause as one stage. They kind of like jam it
[23:28] Speaker 3: all into both stages and really all four stages of
[23:31] Speaker 3: women's health. So, but some of the ones that come
[23:35] Speaker 3: to mind really are weakanes and every woman. I'm fifty four,
[23:40] Speaker 3: so I'm going through you know, I'm already in menopause
[23:43] Speaker 3: post menopause, to be honest, is the truth. And you know,
[23:46] Speaker 3: weak gain is inevitable for a lot of women, but
[23:48] Speaker 3: not necessarily because what happens with the hormones is Yes,
[23:52] Speaker 3: when you have a decline in estrogen, antisosterone and DHA,
[23:55] Speaker 3: that can actually shift your metabolism to slow it down,
[23:58] Speaker 3: which also can lead to that's forward the mid section
[24:02] Speaker 3: and gaining weight for that you know, belly area, the
[24:05] Speaker 3: abdominal area. But the reality is a lot of women
[24:07] Speaker 3: they don't go through weight gain. They actually lose weight,
[24:10] Speaker 3: They lose muscle mass, they lose bone masks, it might
[24:13] Speaker 3: even become sarcapini. So I don't love when people always say, oh,
[24:16] Speaker 3: everyone's going to gain weight in nonipau, just just forget.
[24:20] Speaker 3: Don't forget. You know, everyone's going to go through this
[24:23] Speaker 3: journey differently. So women may gain weight, but women may
[24:26] Speaker 3: lose weight.
[24:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I explained in the in the
[24:30] Speaker 2: first segment that there's there's no no two experiences that
[24:34] Speaker 2: are going to be the same same for women. And
[24:36] Speaker 2: I think that's one thing that I want to want
[24:38] Speaker 2: to know and doctor Bayleane, I know I talked about
[24:41] Speaker 2: some symptoms in that and that first segment, but I
[24:44] Speaker 2: want you to reinforce some of those symptoms that that
[24:47] Speaker 2: you see in practice most often.
[24:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, well this leads to another myth, because another myth
[24:52] Speaker 3: is that in menopause you lose your sex life, and
[24:55] Speaker 3: so libido loss is very normal. It's part of not
[25:00] Speaker 3: just the aging process in perimenopause, through the stages and
[25:03] Speaker 3: then menopause and postmenopause, you do have some libido loss,
[25:06] Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean that your sex life is lost.
[25:10] Speaker 3: You can work with it. You can use you know,
[25:12] Speaker 3: natural hormone therapies, you can start to use supplementation or herbs.
[25:16] Speaker 3: There's definitely different lubricants and different healthy moisturizers that can
[25:20] Speaker 3: be used. So sex life is not necessarily libido. But yes,
[25:25] Speaker 3: there might be a lot of libido because it's defined
[25:26] Speaker 3: in those hormones. But your sex life can still go
[25:29] Speaker 3: on so and as well, you know, as well as
[25:32] Speaker 3: your happiness, and that's important, right, your wellness and happiness.
[25:36] Speaker 3: Another myth that I think has a lot to do with,
[25:39] Speaker 3: you know, both symptom picture. So women go through different
[25:44] Speaker 3: As we talked about duration and that duration of your
[25:49] Speaker 3: perimenopause can lead to fatigue, can lead to overall mood changes, right,
[25:54] Speaker 3: yourt ability, depression, everything from I would say, your genetics,
[26:02] Speaker 3: your lifestyle, your cultural background, that is all going to
[26:07] Speaker 3: be important for that duration and for when and how
[26:11] Speaker 3: the severity happens for you. And that's the myth is
[26:15] Speaker 3: that I hear a lot like women all go through
[26:17] Speaker 3: menopause the same way. Absolutely not. It's so individual. That's
[26:21] Speaker 3: why in nature public medicine, we treat women as individuals.
[26:25] Speaker 3: We treat them holistically, looking at you know, the whole body,
[26:28] Speaker 3: the whole picture, what's going on with them, and looking
[26:31] Speaker 3: at their past, their president, and their future so that
[26:34] Speaker 3: we can really help them be guided in both their
[26:37] Speaker 3: physical and their mental health.
[26:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also you know, want to focus. You know,
[26:43] Speaker 2: I use that eight to ten year you know, kind
[26:46] Speaker 2: of a timeline that does sudden these symptoms start to
[26:50] Speaker 2: happen before in the women's journey, before those before it's
[26:54] Speaker 2: actually diagnosed. So I want I want the audience to
[26:57] Speaker 2: hold on to that number. You know that years is
[26:59] Speaker 2: not a f you know, years of that disrupted sleep,
[27:02] Speaker 2: the unpredictable mood, the cognitive fog, the physical symptoms that
[27:07] Speaker 2: we've been describing today, they can fundamentally alter that a
[27:11] Speaker 2: woman's health and even for the future. So we're talking
[27:15] Speaker 2: you know, not only you know, professionally and personally and
[27:19] Speaker 2: biologically and so that so so the myths of maybe
[27:23] Speaker 2: it will pass, it's not not benign. It starts to
[27:27] Speaker 2: delay that care. It delays the conversation that we're having today,
[27:30] Speaker 2: and when I think it costs women that quality of
[27:34] Speaker 2: life that they should have access to, right when some
[27:36] Speaker 2: of those symptoms first so start, first start. So so,
[27:40] Speaker 2: doctor Bailey, I want to talk about one of the
[27:43] Speaker 2: most maybe underappreciated chapters of the story that we're talking
[27:47] Speaker 2: about today, and that's the gut. How exactly are the
[27:52] Speaker 2: gut in those hormones connected. This is the relationship that
[27:55] Speaker 2: that most most people maybe have never heard it definitely
[27:59] Speaker 2: never heard their doctor most likely. And so I want
[28:01] Speaker 2: you to walk us through that mechanism with a gut.
[28:04] Speaker 3: You're right because a lot of women when they go
[28:07] Speaker 3: to their doctors, especially obgy in doctors, they're not always
[28:10] Speaker 3: bringing up their gut health or they're bloating or their
[28:13] Speaker 3: gasiness or their gain. They're bringing up those those other
[28:17] Speaker 3: more female oriented symptoms. Right, So I appreciate the question
[28:22] Speaker 3: because gut health is really a central central role in
[28:24] Speaker 3: women's pro modal balance, but it also is in charge
[28:27] Speaker 3: of your energy levels, your mood, your weight, your overall immunity,
[28:31] Speaker 3: and your wellness. Right, the gut is called the second brain,
[28:34] Speaker 3: also called your immunity center, right for a reason, it
[28:38] Speaker 3: acts like a hormone control center. I mean, that's why
[28:41] Speaker 3: we have that gut brain connection that we've heard about. Right,
[28:45] Speaker 3: So healthy gut. When we talk about a healthy gut,
[28:48] Speaker 3: we talked about the microbiome, and that's really important when
[28:51] Speaker 3: when we're looking at women's health and women's hormones because
[28:55] Speaker 3: in that microbiome, there's even a special aspect of the
[28:58] Speaker 3: microbiome called the trobolone and that those bacterias that that
[29:04] Speaker 3: was really special unique areas of the gut are really
[29:09] Speaker 3: important to how hormones are metabolized, how they're extrated through
[29:14] Speaker 3: the body, how they're processed even through the liver. So
[29:19] Speaker 3: the gut and the women's health and the hormone balance
[29:22] Speaker 3: is really important. And so that's that's a great question
[29:25] Speaker 3: and very helpful for women to know that if you're
[29:28] Speaker 3: having symptoms like loading light gas, like heavy constipation, or
[29:35] Speaker 3: you know, not constipation is unique to everyone. But I say,
[29:38] Speaker 3: if you're not having you know, bowel movements every day,
[29:41] Speaker 3: that's already constipation. So just thinking about what castimation is
[29:44] Speaker 3: for people do. But estrogen and progesterone really do change.
[29:48] Speaker 3: Estrogen declines as we're aging in perimenopause, and so declining
[29:53] Speaker 3: of estrogen can change the biodiversity of the microbiome and
[29:57] Speaker 3: progesterone itself because it actually can work with when you
[30:00] Speaker 3: have progesterone, it worked with the smooth muscles of the
[30:04] Speaker 3: of the intestinal lining. So if you have hypergesterone, it
[30:08] Speaker 3: actually can lead to content patient too. So both of
[30:11] Speaker 3: those foremones can be problematic as we're going through.
[30:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's an important thing to note that gut
[30:19] Speaker 2: it has so many systemic changes from that hormonal disruption
[30:23] Speaker 2: to them in the microbiome changes, serotonin decline, all of
[30:26] Speaker 2: these things are so important. And eventually laboratories has built
[30:31] Speaker 2: this evidence based pharmaceutical grade formulations that addressed what that
[30:35] Speaker 2: interconnection to the biology of the body does, and they've
[30:38] Speaker 2: been doing it for decades. So we come back with
[30:41] Speaker 2: doctor Bailing. We're going to get into the nutritional and
[30:46] Speaker 2: the nutrients that we need that impact the hormonal balance.
[30:49] Speaker 2: We right back with Doctor Bailing. You're listening to Health
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[33:15] Speaker 2: Welcome back to Health Talk America. Doctor Adam Brockman with
[33:18] Speaker 2: you alongside my guest doctor Aunta Lisa Bailing. She's a
[33:23] Speaker 2: nature pathic physician. She's a women's health authority and a
[33:27] Speaker 2: member of the scientific Review Board at DA Vinci Laboratories.
[33:31] Speaker 2: We've been in some serious clinical conversation this hour, and
[33:35] Speaker 2: I appreciate every minute of it for our listeners. And
[33:38] Speaker 2: the phones are are still open at eight hundred six
[33:41] Speaker 2: zero six eight A two to two, and our full
[33:43] Speaker 2: show resources are available at Healthtalkamerica dot com. All right,
[33:48] Speaker 2: doctor Bailing, let's talk nutrients. What are the nutrients that
[33:53] Speaker 2: you find most clinically significant for hormonal balance, the ones
[33:58] Speaker 2: that you reach for first when you're working with perimenopausal
[34:02] Speaker 2: or menopausal women.
[34:04] Speaker 3: The first off, I always like to think of timing
[34:07] Speaker 3: of someone's life. When you're working with someone, you're looking
[34:10] Speaker 3: at their age, right, So I talked about looking at
[34:12] Speaker 3: their past as of their future. So knowing that perimenopause
[34:15] Speaker 3: might be the forties, through the menopause fifties, and then
[34:19] Speaker 3: putmenopause fifty fifties, looking at what nutrients might they already
[34:22] Speaker 3: be declining and deficient, and not just that they're going
[34:26] Speaker 3: through perimenopause. But I have to look at that big
[34:29] Speaker 3: picture too, So I have like an ABC list, you know,
[34:32] Speaker 3: going down of my importance. But antiaccid in some first
[34:35] Speaker 3: is the a antiaccinants are really important compounds that help
[34:38] Speaker 3: combat actidative stress. Think about your green sea's and your
[34:43] Speaker 3: berries and your lead the greens, fruit vegetables, your B vitamins,
[34:48] Speaker 3: especially the six twelve folate. I always recommend methylated vitamins
[34:52] Speaker 3: in case you don't know if you have an empty
[34:54] Speaker 3: age of our sniff or genetic issue. If you know
[34:58] Speaker 3: or don't know, you should probably be taking methylated be
[35:00] Speaker 3: vitamin complexes. I think complex is the best. Vincy Laboratories
[35:05] Speaker 3: has a great these stress complex people like me who
[35:08] Speaker 3: are always under stressed.
[35:10] Speaker 2: That's all of us, right, that's right, right.
[35:13] Speaker 3: Right, Think about one of those symptoms like losing your
[35:17] Speaker 3: hair or thinning skin or thinning you know, nails. Biasedin
[35:22] Speaker 3: also called vitamin AH, that's really important, has great help
[35:24] Speaker 3: benefits not just about hair, skin and nails, but also
[35:27] Speaker 3: it helps your metabolism as the most healthy skin, the
[35:31] Speaker 3: healthy hair, but it keeps your muscles strong, it helps
[35:34] Speaker 3: your joints, and it helps regulate blood sugar. So Biasin
[35:37] Speaker 3: is a great one to have. Products like hair, skin,
[35:41] Speaker 3: and nails from DaVinci is another good one that I
[35:43] Speaker 3: use in my practice all the time. I think as
[35:47] Speaker 3: women are aging and again starting at forties through the fifties,
[35:51] Speaker 3: where are we losing out in protein? So looking at collagen,
[35:55] Speaker 3: looking at creatine, looking at actual protein intakes are all
[35:59] Speaker 3: kind of one category for me, and they're luckily the seas.
[36:03] Speaker 3: So collagen and creating and then adding to protein. Collagen
[36:06] Speaker 3: can be in the form of powders, it can be
[36:08] Speaker 3: in the form of liquids. The victually has a great
[36:11] Speaker 3: liquid collagen formulation. The collagen is really the primary building
[36:15] Speaker 3: block for bones, tendons, ligaments, and cartilage. The levels decrease
[36:19] Speaker 3: as we age as well, so that's going to be
[36:20] Speaker 3: really important. And then creating promotes a healthy exercise performance
[36:25] Speaker 3: and recovery. But guess what, it also helps with mental
[36:27] Speaker 3: clarity and it helps with the aging process and cognitive
[36:30] Speaker 3: define too. So preatin and powder forms can be an
[36:34] Speaker 3: absolute great additive too. Protein. And I'm talking about eating protein,
[36:38] Speaker 3: whether or not that's in the form of protein powder
[36:42] Speaker 3: or actual you know, meat, fish, shellfish, chickens could be Yeah,
[36:48] Speaker 3: I'm actually talking about meat. But that's really important because
[36:52] Speaker 3: protein and meat do together. I mean, you can be
[36:55] Speaker 3: a vegetarian and stillly healthy. But the science is saying
[37:00] Speaker 3: that as women, as we age, we need one to
[37:03] Speaker 3: one point two one point two grams of protein perlogram
[37:07] Speaker 3: of body weight. So if you're one hundred and fifty
[37:09] Speaker 3: pound women, that is basically sixty eight grams to eighty
[37:13] Speaker 3: two grams of protein a day. That's a lot of protein.
[37:16] Speaker 3: I bet most of us women in our fifties are
[37:18] Speaker 3: not eating that much, right, so that all kind of
[37:21] Speaker 3: is really important nutrients for me. Vitamin D three K
[37:25] Speaker 3: two Think about your bone huth, think about your inflammatory system.
[37:29] Speaker 3: So D three is very intense flammatory. It's a great
[37:32] Speaker 3: duo of a hormone. They help with worne productions as well.
[37:36] Speaker 3: For all the hormone productions. In my practice, I actually
[37:40] Speaker 3: use a combination of vitamin A, vitamin D, and vitamin K.
[37:45] Speaker 3: The DA Vinci EIGHTYK is a great formulation because it
[37:48] Speaker 3: actually has that vitamin A, which is great for protection
[37:50] Speaker 3: of the new cookal membranes, which is your dot health
[37:53] Speaker 3: as we talk about. But the D three K two
[37:55] Speaker 3: is using the K is actually a menipleinin so it's
[37:58] Speaker 3: the MK seven So that's great for the bones as well.
[38:01] Speaker 3: So you can't go wrong with a good formulation. Of
[38:04] Speaker 3: debree K two or an a dyk as I used fiber.
[38:09] Speaker 3: Can't talk enough about fiber. Where would we be without fiber?
[38:12] Speaker 3: But both insoluble and soluble are really important. Trying to
[38:15] Speaker 3: get about thirty grams a day is pretty that would
[38:18] Speaker 3: be a good goal. I think valuable fiber people people
[38:22] Speaker 3: don't always know what soluble bird versus incible is, but
[38:25] Speaker 3: one can one bulkshe which is more the insoluble and
[38:29] Speaker 3: the soluble is more what is broken down and that's
[38:31] Speaker 3: being used by those by those gut butts, by that microbiome.
[38:35] Speaker 3: That we really want both insoluble and valuble fiber, so
[38:38] Speaker 3: think of I just give some examples like cilium is
[38:41] Speaker 3: a soluble fiber, ainuline, sun fiber, o barley, sia, chia
[38:46] Speaker 3: seeds another good one. Insoluble ones would be whole wheat
[38:50] Speaker 3: grains brand, the brand family, Oat brand, wheat brands, also
[38:55] Speaker 3: vegetables like your celery, your cellulose, vegetables, your free number,
[38:59] Speaker 3: parrot and lagoons. So influble invible fiber important. Idin is
[39:04] Speaker 3: a good one. Magni Idine is important for syroed health. Yeah,
[39:10] Speaker 3: magnesium we can get to so many more.
[39:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we might have to have you come back
[39:14] Speaker 2: to talk about this an entire hour, but yeah, vegetables,
[39:17] Speaker 2: phyto estrogens, fiber, less alcohol, and sugar more protein. These
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[39:46] Speaker 2: we'll be back with our final segment with doctor Baling.
[39:49] Speaker 2: After this break, you're listening to Health Talk America presents
[39:52] Speaker 2: The Doctor Bob Martin Show. I'm doctor Adam Brockman.
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[41:38] Speaker 2: Doctor Bob Martin Show. I'm doctor Adam Brockman, and this
[41:40] Speaker 2: is the last segment this hour, and I want to
[41:43] Speaker 2: make it count. So we got doctor Anna Lisa bailing
[41:47] Speaker 2: with us today.
[41:48] Speaker 4: She's still with me. We have covered a lot of
[41:50] Speaker 4: ground this hour.
[41:51] Speaker 2: We talked about perrymenopause, menopause, gut connection, nutrients, and and diets.
[41:56] Speaker 2: So doctor Balen, let's just leave with this question. If
[41:59] Speaker 2: every woman listening took one action this week. What do
[42:03] Speaker 2: you think it should be?
[42:05] Speaker 3: One action?
[42:06] Speaker 2: There's a lot of actions, but let's just do one.
[42:11] Speaker 3: I would say, being that I work with functional medicine
[42:14] Speaker 3: a lot, and I think it's really important that women
[42:17] Speaker 3: understand where they are in their timeline. I think it's
[42:20] Speaker 3: important that they should get good testing, and that testing
[42:23] Speaker 3: could be again hormone testing, salary testing is usually know better,
[42:27] Speaker 3: that's what we use. But I also look at the
[42:29] Speaker 3: gut health because knowing your microbiome, understanding what's going on
[42:33] Speaker 3: with your gut, Understanding if there's inflammation there, if you're
[42:36] Speaker 3: not taking enough probiotics, if you have too much of
[42:38] Speaker 3: an unhealthy bacteria like between hormones and the gut, that's
[42:43] Speaker 3: really going to suffice to help your future transition through
[42:47] Speaker 3: that perimenopausal state into menopause and then even postmenopause, because
[42:51] Speaker 3: don't forget, what we do in the present is absolutely
[42:54] Speaker 3: going to help with the future, especially as aging is
[42:57] Speaker 3: part of this whole transition, right, not getting away from aging.
[43:01] Speaker 3: We can only we can prevent some things, but we
[43:03] Speaker 3: can't prevent all the aging symptoms.
[43:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to think hopefully we can help our
[43:08] Speaker 2: listeners to age and reverse, so that that is the
[43:13] Speaker 2: medicine that should be happening and the conversations we should
[43:16] Speaker 2: be having every day. So trust the body, get the
[43:19] Speaker 2: full picture, keep advocating for yourself, keep being your own
[43:22] Speaker 2: best doctor most of the time. So, Doctor Bailing, thank
[43:26] Speaker 2: you so much for joining us today. This is a again,
[43:28] Speaker 2: it's a conversation that we should be having more often
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