# The Checkered Flag Fell Too Soon: What Kyle Busch's Death Reveals About the Health We Can't See

An episode of [HEALTH TALK AMERICA](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/453006069), 31 May 2026, 45 min.

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Kyle Busch was 41 years old, a two-time NASCAR champion with 63 career wins, and by every visible measure — a man in his prime. He didn't die on the track. He died in a hospital, within 24 hours of calling an ambulance, from pneumonia that became sepsis. Dr. Bob Martin and Dr. Adam Brockman ask the question nobody in sports media is asking: Why are we mistaking fitness for immunity — and what is that confusion costing us?

## Transcript

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[1:16] Speaker 3: I'm your co host, Doctor Adam Brockman, and I'm thrilled
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[1:22] Speaker 3: I'm talking about myself in the legendary doctor Bob Martin.
[1:26] Speaker 3: How are you today, doctor Bob.
[1:28] Speaker 4: I'm doing really well today, Doctor Brockman. I hope you are,
[1:31] Speaker 4: and of course we hope the audience is feeling fantastic
[1:34] Speaker 4: as well.
[1:35] Speaker 5: Well.
[1:36] Speaker 3: You know, so today I really want to talk about
[1:39] Speaker 3: a couple of the health headlines this week. And there's
[1:44] Speaker 3: moments in public life that just kind of stop you cold,
[1:47] Speaker 3: doctor Bob. And it's not because they are unexpected. In
[1:51] Speaker 3: the philosophical sense. We all understand, you know, intellectually that
[1:58] Speaker 3: life is very precious. And so day I want to
[2:01] Speaker 3: start off by talking about the death of Kyle Busch.
[2:06] Speaker 3: He was forty one years old. They had two NASCAR
[2:10] Speaker 3: Cup Series championships. It was sixty three career wins.
[2:16] Speaker 5: And it was a man.
[2:17] Speaker 3: Who spent the better part of two decades driving machinery
[2:21] Speaker 3: at two hundred plus miles per hour with a very
[2:27] Speaker 3: very great precision and nerve that most of us can't
[2:30] Speaker 3: even even fathom. So this man whose profession demanded that
[2:36] Speaker 3: his body be like a finely tuned machine itself, and
[2:40] Speaker 3: he needed to have great reaction, great endurance, and great resilience.
[2:46] Speaker 3: So he was a man who, by virtually every conventional
[2:51] Speaker 3: measure of health and vitality, should have decades left ahead
[2:55] Speaker 3: of him. But the report is that he died of pneumonia. Yeah,
[3:00] Speaker 3: so he didn't die on a track and not in
[3:03] Speaker 3: a crash, not in this dramatic, cinematic and befitting of
[3:09] Speaker 3: this motor sports legend. He died in a hospital from
[3:14] Speaker 3: an infection that started in his LUNs and it progressed
[3:18] Speaker 3: with lightning speed into sepsis. So this was a catastrophic
[3:24] Speaker 3: you know, its systemic inflammatory response to the body. Sometimes
[3:29] Speaker 3: just cannot survive. And we do know that the day
[3:33] Speaker 3: before he died he called an ambulance. He was calling
[3:37] Speaker 3: up blood and struggling to breathe, and then within twenty
[3:42] Speaker 3: four hours he was gone. So I'm not talking about
[3:47] Speaker 3: this today, and I want to get your thoughts on
[3:50] Speaker 3: this and not to necessarily sensationalize a tragedy. I'm talking
[3:54] Speaker 3: about this because I believe Kyle Busch's death that carries
[3:59] Speaker 3: this medical in a cultural message that our country needs
[4:04] Speaker 3: to needs to hear and needs to hear urgently, and
[4:08] Speaker 3: I believe that we need to honor his memory and such,
[4:13] Speaker 3: we need to treat it as this, this moment of
[4:16] Speaker 3: collective grief. Forty one years old, doctor Bob. So the message,
[4:22] Speaker 3: the message today is that physical fitness and immune resilience
[4:27] Speaker 3: are not necessarily the same thing. In America right now,
[4:33] Speaker 3: we are dangerously confused about that distinction. And so I
[4:38] Speaker 3: want to get I want you to get your opinion
[4:40] Speaker 3: on this matter. It's a physical fitness in your immune system.
[4:45] Speaker 3: Are not always that that same thing.
[4:49] Speaker 6: It's true, you know, tragic, tragic situation.
[4:54] Speaker 4: Young family, child had a son of eleven, I think,
[4:58] Speaker 4: little little baby, daughter of two, a wife forty one
[5:05] Speaker 4: years young. How does that happen? How does that happen?
[5:09] Speaker 4: And it is the reason why we all should pause
[5:13] Speaker 4: and think about that for a little bit. This guy's really,
[5:17] Speaker 4: you know, the best champion in his field. He won
[5:22] Speaker 4: more of these races than anybody in history. And I
[5:27] Speaker 4: have treated professional car drivers in the past myself. In fact,
[5:31] Speaker 4: doctor Brockman, we broadcasted this radio show from an Indies
[5:35] Speaker 4: Light which is a different series Indies Light Race up
[5:39] Speaker 4: in Portland, Oregon. One time, many many years ago and
[5:43] Speaker 4: it was just crazy these people that they loved their racing.
[5:48] Speaker 4: But his death calls into question, you know, the fragility
[5:54] Speaker 4: of our health. You look at this guy, you look
[5:57] Speaker 4: at his history. He's kind of a tall man, forty
[6:01] Speaker 4: one years young.
[6:03] Speaker 6: How does he die?
[6:05] Speaker 4: Well, he dies because in my opinion, and I know
[6:07] Speaker 4: there are a lot of doctors who have already weighed
[6:10] Speaker 4: in on this in terms of sort of like armchair quarterbacking,
[6:15] Speaker 4: if you will, But.
[6:16] Speaker 6: We need to do this.
[6:17] Speaker 4: We need to have this conversation in order to try
[6:20] Speaker 4: to prevent it in someone else's life in the future.
[6:22] Speaker 4: If they're hearing this conversation between us right now, and
[6:27] Speaker 4: we think it's key.
[6:29] Speaker 6: And what I want our audience to.
[6:31] Speaker 4: Take away from this is the fact that you have
[6:34] Speaker 4: an individual who went to his doctor two weeks prior
[6:39] Speaker 4: to dying, so he was under medical care for two weeks,
[6:43] Speaker 4: Doctor Brockman, it wasn't one of those things. Well he died,
[6:47] Speaker 4: you know, in a day, and he developed sepsis in
[6:50] Speaker 4: a day. Kyle Busch went to his medical doctor complaining
[6:56] Speaker 4: of sinuce problems like assign you site or cold like symptoms.
[7:02] Speaker 4: And from everything that I've been able to gather so far.
[7:06] Speaker 4: His medical doctor gave him an antibiotic shot. He shot
[7:12] Speaker 4: him up with antibiotics. And I'm sure that here's the
[7:15] Speaker 4: guy that you know is preparing for the biggest race
[7:17] Speaker 4: of the year and he's got to go into a
[7:21] Speaker 4: simulator to practice and doesn't want to be, you know,
[7:27] Speaker 4: inconvenienced with any kind of illness, whether it be a
[7:31] Speaker 4: sinus infection, a cold, stomach ache, backache, whatever. Those guys are,
[7:37] Speaker 4: you know, their mission is to get out there on
[7:39] Speaker 4: the track, and a lot of them, whether their health
[7:42] Speaker 4: is good, bad, or indifferent, do it. And he should
[7:45] Speaker 4: have been hospitalized, actually, and it may have saved his life,
[7:48] Speaker 4: but he wasn't. He probably did something that a lot
[7:53] Speaker 4: of males do at forty one, whether they're racers or
[7:56] Speaker 4: football players or just Joe sixpack. Hey, doc, I got
[8:00] Speaker 4: to get back to work. What can you do to
[8:02] Speaker 4: get me back to work? And the doctor says, oh, yeah,
[8:05] Speaker 4: I'll fix you right up. Let's get you an antibiotic shot. Unfortunately,
[8:11] Speaker 4: this happens doctor Brockman too many times, most sinus infections,
[8:15] Speaker 4: and this is where his problems started. It started in
[8:18] Speaker 4: his face, it started in his sinuses, most doctors are
[8:24] Speaker 4: apparently unaware that most sinus problems, most especially chronic.
[8:29] Speaker 6: Ones, and I usually these people have these.
[8:31] Speaker 4: Chronically long term over time, and they put up with it,
[8:36] Speaker 4: and they use affron and they use nason X, and
[8:39] Speaker 4: they use these over the counter things that don't do
[8:41] Speaker 4: anything to address the underlying infection, the breakdown that's actually
[8:46] Speaker 4: going on in the immune system, their diet, their lack
[8:48] Speaker 4: of sleep, the stress they're under the air, they're breathing,
[8:51] Speaker 4: et cetera. So here you have an individual and you
[8:55] Speaker 4: can check this out. You look it up yourself.
[8:58] Speaker 6: Look it up.
[8:59] Speaker 4: In males, they talk about warning doctors that when people
[9:04] Speaker 4: come in with sinus infections, please don't start antibiotics immediately.
[9:08] Speaker 4: The vast majority of them have fungal infections, and to
[9:14] Speaker 4: give somebody an antibiotic with a fungal infection just makes
[9:19] Speaker 4: it worse. So he may have had medical miscare right
[9:24] Speaker 4: from that two week starting point doctor Brockman, in which
[9:27] Speaker 4: he went into his medical doctor's office complaining of a
[9:30] Speaker 4: sinus infection or cold like symptoms in his face as
[9:33] Speaker 4: sinus aarreya. His doctor said, oh, yeah, we'll just bring
[9:37] Speaker 4: out the miracle drug and we'll give you an injection,
[9:40] Speaker 4: you'd be good to go. Well, he took the shot,
[9:45] Speaker 4: was under medical care. I'm not sure what happened, and
[9:47] Speaker 4: I haven't been able to find that anywhere. What happened
[9:50] Speaker 4: between the two weeks that he was under medical care
[9:55] Speaker 4: and having received a antibiotic shot and then all ultimately,
[10:01] Speaker 4: you know, the day before he started coughing up blood,
[10:05] Speaker 4: fainted and eventually had to be transported to the hospital,
[10:10] Speaker 4: which and he died. So somewhere in there something should
[10:15] Speaker 4: have happened didn't happen. Probably a misdiagnosis from the beginning.
[10:21] Speaker 4: And when I say fungal infections, people need to be
[10:24] Speaker 4: thinking about, all right, well, what do you mean fungal infections, Well,
[10:27] Speaker 4: it could be think about athletes, think about vaginal yeast infections, ringworm,
[10:32] Speaker 4: jocketche nail fungus. These are all in the same category,
[10:36] Speaker 4: and it can get in the nasal cavity. And I
[10:38] Speaker 4: know we're coming up on a break, and I want
[10:40] Speaker 4: to pick this up after the break because this is
[10:42] Speaker 4: so important, Doctor Brockmann for people to hear.
[10:45] Speaker 3: I agree, So let's just take a shortened break, doctor Bob,
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[12:57] Speaker 3: Before before break, we were talking about the the tragic
[13:01] Speaker 3: death of Kyle Busch at the age of forty one,
[13:04] Speaker 3: leaving behind a young family, and we were we were
[13:07] Speaker 3: talking again about he's he's been under medical care, he's
[13:11] Speaker 3: been to the been to the doctor, had an antibioodic
[13:15] Speaker 3: and uh and you were you were discussing how there
[13:18] Speaker 3: may be something missed here with maybe maybe it was
[13:20] Speaker 3: a fungal infection or you know, some some issue that
[13:26] Speaker 3: that they just didn't catch in time, So I want
[13:29] Speaker 3: you to to go ahead and continue continue your thoughts
[13:32] Speaker 3: that you had right before the break on that.
[13:35] Speaker 4: Yes, Doctor Brockban, I think it's so important to discuss
[13:38] Speaker 4: this topic because there are many people listening to the
[13:41] Speaker 4: sound of my voice who have faced this in the past,
[13:44] Speaker 4: and they will face it in the future, and if
[13:46] Speaker 4: they're armed with knowledge and information, perhaps they can dodge
[13:50] Speaker 4: that bullet that Kyle Busch did not. If you're just
[13:54] Speaker 4: tuning into the program, we're talking about a famous NASCAR
[13:57] Speaker 4: champion with more wins than any of the driver in
[14:00] Speaker 4: the sport, dying at the tender age of forty one,
[14:03] Speaker 4: leaving behind a wife and two beautiful children. A tragic
[14:07] Speaker 4: situation of an individual who starts off with symptoms of sinusitis,
[14:14] Speaker 4: congestion in his nasal cavity, cold like symptoms. He proceeds
[14:19] Speaker 4: to his medical doctor's office. He receives an antibiotic shot.
[14:25] Speaker 4: Two weeks later, he's dead. How on earth could this
[14:29] Speaker 4: happen to a person in this age, in great shape
[14:34] Speaker 4: with under medical care. Well, it happens because he was
[14:38] Speaker 4: probably misdiagnosed. Now, doctor Brockman and I are talking about
[14:41] Speaker 4: this because we want people to hear our opinion. Yes,
[14:44] Speaker 4: we are armchair quarterbacking on this, but we need to
[14:47] Speaker 4: do this. We need to have this conversation. This happens
[14:50] Speaker 4: every day, tens of thousands of people, This happens to
[14:54] Speaker 4: across the United States to get misdiagnosed with the bacterial
[14:57] Speaker 4: infection when they really have a fungal infection. Who's saying
[15:00] Speaker 4: that Mayo Clinic is saying that? I mean they knew
[15:04] Speaker 4: about this two plus decades ago, that most sinus problems,
[15:09] Speaker 4: especially if you've been having them for a while, are
[15:11] Speaker 4: fungal infections, not bacterial infections. You don't treat fungal infections
[15:18] Speaker 4: such as what mister Kyle Busch probably had. You don't
[15:23] Speaker 4: treat it by shop shooting him up with an antibiotic
[15:26] Speaker 4: and turning him loose and saying good enough.
[15:30] Speaker 6: No.
[15:31] Speaker 4: If you want, you can do samples of the nasal
[15:34] Speaker 4: secretions and determine if it's a fungal or bacterial infection,
[15:39] Speaker 4: and most of the time you're gonna find, as Mayo
[15:41] Speaker 4: Clinic did twenty five plus years ago, that most of
[15:45] Speaker 4: these sinus infections are fungal and you have to come
[15:48] Speaker 4: at them from an anti fungal position. Yes, it's the
[15:51] Speaker 4: same kind of fungal infections that you find in other
[15:55] Speaker 4: conditions that you hear about, you know, toenail, fungus, jockeyhit, ringworm,
[16:01] Speaker 4: vaginal candidiasis, or athletes foot. Yes, those are all fungal
[16:05] Speaker 4: infections that can happen in the sinus area, and it
[16:08] Speaker 4: can cause a congestion within the sinus and can cause
[16:11] Speaker 4: pain and sneezing and everything else. And unless you go
[16:15] Speaker 4: to a doctor who's aware of this and the fact
[16:19] Speaker 4: that it's most likely more times than not a fungal.
[16:22] Speaker 6: Infection, not a bacterial infection.
[16:24] Speaker 4: If you go to a medical doctor who's completely out
[16:26] Speaker 4: of that source of information, they're just going to give
[16:29] Speaker 4: them standard practice in medicine, which is still a mistake,
[16:32] Speaker 4: to give them antibiotics. And then eventually, unfortunately, the antibiotic
[16:37] Speaker 4: will thrash the immune system because it does it wipes
[16:40] Speaker 4: out all your good bacteria in your gastrointestinal track, which
[16:43] Speaker 4: is where the bulk of your immunity is. So suddenly
[16:45] Speaker 4: your immune system takes a hit from the antibiotic. When
[16:48] Speaker 4: you have a fungal infection plus antibiotics stoke or make
[16:53] Speaker 4: worse fungal infections.
[16:55] Speaker 6: So in my.
[16:56] Speaker 4: Opinion, it's very likely that Kyle Busch had a fungal
[16:59] Speaker 4: infection was mistreated. He should have been taking things to
[17:03] Speaker 4: solve that innernasally with clear Rescue nasal spray which has
[17:08] Speaker 4: some escirotic elements involved in it, which helps kill fungal
[17:12] Speaker 4: infections immediately, like oregonal oil and other things. In Clear
[17:17] Speaker 4: Rescue Remedy nasal spray, it's all natural, it has no
[17:20] Speaker 4: side effects, and it helps obliterate both these fungal bacteria,
[17:26] Speaker 4: viral and other allergens that are in that nasal area
[17:30] Speaker 4: trying to take you down.
[17:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, doctor Bob, and let's let's continue talking about this
[17:36] Speaker 3: fungal infection aspect. You know, this is some of that
[17:39] Speaker 3: effects tens of millions of Americans, and yet it's one
[17:43] Speaker 3: of the most underdiscussed topics in conventional medicine. You know,
[17:47] Speaker 3: again we're talking about fungal infections, and I don't mean
[17:51] Speaker 3: the obvious ones. I mean that that full spectrum what
[17:54] Speaker 3: you mentioned, the toenail fungus, the skin, the skin infections,
[17:58] Speaker 3: the air fungal infection, and the oral thrush, vaginal yeast infections, athletes, feet,
[18:04] Speaker 3: and it's just increasingly what I see in practice, this
[18:09] Speaker 3: phenomenon of systemic Candida overgrowth that can drive symptoms ranging
[18:14] Speaker 3: from chronic fatigue to brain fog to persistent digestive distress.
[18:20] Speaker 3: And uh, you know what you mentioned, the clear nasal
[18:23] Speaker 3: spray line, the Clear Rescue Max, all the all those
[18:27] Speaker 3: products are great for that portal of entrigue. And I
[18:31] Speaker 3: also want to discuss some of the real heavyweights of
[18:36] Speaker 3: that natural anti fungal world. And and with that, you
[18:40] Speaker 3: can't not mention a regano oil and oil of regano
[18:44] Speaker 3: it's you're looking at to standardize at least seventy percent.
[18:49] Speaker 3: That's you know, the active compound that's responsible for the
[18:51] Speaker 3: anti macrobal the anti fungal potency in the in the
[18:55] Speaker 3: research on it against candida is genuinely oppressive. There's there's
[19:02] Speaker 3: multiple clinical studies that have shown it disrupts the fungal
[19:06] Speaker 3: cell membrane and and it it spares the beneficial bacteria
[19:10] Speaker 3: in the in the body, which is is very important.
[19:13] Speaker 3: And that's that's something that pharmaceutical antifungals they just can't
[19:17] Speaker 3: can't do. And and so if we're we're looking this,
[19:21] Speaker 3: so you for topical applications the skin, the nails, the feet.
[19:25] Speaker 3: You can dilute it in a carrier oil such as
[19:28] Speaker 3: as coconut oil before applying. And so if we're talking
[19:31] Speaker 3: about coconut oil, it deserves its own moment here.
[19:36] Speaker 8: Uh.
[19:36] Speaker 3: It contains it contains several of these these medium fatty
[19:41] Speaker 3: acid change that are demonstrating meaningful anti fungal activity in
[19:45] Speaker 3: the in the peer reviewed studies. So again, if we're
[19:50] Speaker 3: attacking this, this systemic candida, this has remarkable effectiveness. So
[19:55] Speaker 3: this is this is something that you can use topically
[19:57] Speaker 3: and you can also consume it, you know, say one
[20:01] Speaker 3: of two tablespoons daily, and that supports the gut anti
[20:05] Speaker 3: fungal defense simultaneously.
[20:07] Speaker 4: So and you know, doctor Brockman, the problem today is
[20:10] Speaker 4: that we're hit with too many antibiotics. There's antibiotics in
[20:12] Speaker 4: the meat, there's antibiotics in the water, the traces of
[20:16] Speaker 4: it in the water systems they can't get out. And
[20:18] Speaker 4: then people take antibiotics way too often because that's there's
[20:22] Speaker 4: that standard of practice in medicine. If if anything, if
[20:24] Speaker 4: everything else fails, and you don't know what to do,
[20:27] Speaker 4: prescribe antibiotics. Give them a shot and this is a
[20:30] Speaker 4: tragic situation because that antibiotics shot led to pneumonia. It
[20:35] Speaker 4: had to have led to his pneumonia. Obviously he should
[20:38] Speaker 4: have been hospitalized. And and you know, I'm not saying
[20:41] Speaker 4: it wasn't partly his fault for not paying attention and resting.
[20:45] Speaker 4: And you know, he had to get to the race.
[20:47] Speaker 4: A lot of men will say, hey, I got to
[20:49] Speaker 4: get to work, men and women, I gotta get to work.
[20:51] Speaker 6: I gotta do this my body.
[20:52] Speaker 4: Oh well, load me up with drugs, doctor, give me,
[20:55] Speaker 4: give me whatever you need to give me.
[20:57] Speaker 6: I gotta go.
[20:57] Speaker 4: Do you know I got a mortgage chasing me, I
[20:59] Speaker 4: got a car payment chasing me.
[21:01] Speaker 6: I got kids and a wife. I'm not going to
[21:02] Speaker 6: be down very long.
[21:04] Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that, But there was a misdiagnosis from
[21:07] Speaker 4: the beginning. In my opinion, from everything that I've read.
[21:10] Speaker 4: If he'd have had natural care right from the beginning,
[21:13] Speaker 4: the proper natural form of care, which would have been
[21:15] Speaker 4: conservative internasal using the anti fungals like garlic and oregano
[21:20] Speaker 4: and golden seal and various other herbs that are available
[21:23] Speaker 4: in any health food store, this whole problem could have
[21:26] Speaker 4: been completely avoided and this happens every single day to
[21:32] Speaker 4: many men and women in the United States. And it's
[21:35] Speaker 4: a tragic situation. This ended in tragedy of death. It's
[21:38] Speaker 4: obviously something that led to a bacterial infection which led
[21:41] Speaker 4: to sepsis, which is an overreactive immune system catastrophic reaction.
[21:48] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[21:48] Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Doctor Bob, I want to I want to
[21:51] Speaker 3: touch on just a couple more things with this topic
[21:52] Speaker 3: when we when we come back from break. So we
[21:55] Speaker 3: got to take take just a short minute and we'll
[21:57] Speaker 3: come back and talk about this this Kyle Bush trade
[22:00] Speaker 3: you more. You're listening to the Doctor Bob Martin Show.
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[22:58] Speaker 3: Doctor Bob. Before we get back into this conversation on
[23:01] Speaker 3: Kyle Busch, I want to make another reminder about another
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[25:14] Speaker 3: by Clear. Okay, So, doctor Bob, we were we were
[25:17] Speaker 3: talking about, you know, the strategy that is uh the
[25:21] Speaker 3: death of Kyle Busch. Again, he's forty one years old.
[25:24] Speaker 3: He leaves behind a young family, and doctor Bob, I
[25:29] Speaker 3: want to I want to change gears here and talk
[25:31] Speaker 3: that we built this entire wellness culture that that is
[25:36] Speaker 3: around these these visible markers of health. And we're talking
[25:40] Speaker 3: about muscular definition and cardiovascular output, our body composition and
[25:46] Speaker 3: these performance metrics that you would see in an elite
[25:49] Speaker 3: athlete like Kyle Busch. We celebrate this in an athlete.
[25:54] Speaker 3: We idolize the physique and we we spend billions of
[26:00] Speaker 3: dollars in billions of hours trying to optimize our health
[26:05] Speaker 3: that we can see, and in doing so, we have
[26:08] Speaker 3: systemically neglected the health that we cannot see. That the
[26:14] Speaker 3: invisible architecture of the immune system and the inflammatory regulation,
[26:20] Speaker 3: our autonomic balance in our just cellular resistance and resilience
[26:26] Speaker 3: that determines whether your body can fight off a threat
[26:31] Speaker 3: before it becomes a mortal one. And Kyle Busch was not,
[26:37] Speaker 3: by any appearance a fragile man. And I'm sure that
[26:41] Speaker 3: he had elite athletic training, the kind that produces that
[26:45] Speaker 3: championship level performance that he was accustomed to, and that
[26:50] Speaker 3: comes with a physiological cost that is rarely, if ever
[26:55] Speaker 3: discussed in sports culture. And my background being in sports medicine,
[27:02] Speaker 3: I understand the intense physical training and that can be
[27:07] Speaker 3: in itself an inflammatory stressor. So you're suppressing the immune
[27:12] Speaker 3: function in the hours, and it becomes days, and it
[27:15] Speaker 3: becomes years, and to get this peak exertion and then cortisol,
[27:21] Speaker 3: that primary stress hormone is chronically elevated in these high
[27:27] Speaker 3: performance athletes that are operating at their near maximum capacity
[27:32] Speaker 3: in the cortisol if it goes on for too long.
[27:37] Speaker 3: It suppresses that immune system by design. And then you
[27:40] Speaker 3: add in a sleep disruption of a racing schedule to travel,
[27:44] Speaker 3: the constant neurological activation of the competition, and then you
[27:50] Speaker 3: have that profile that beneath the surface carries a significant
[27:56] Speaker 3: risk to the immune system and inflammatory mark workers throughout
[28:00] Speaker 3: throughout the body. And I think that is you know,
[28:04] Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily speculating about the specifics of Kyle Busch's
[28:08] Speaker 3: health history. I did not treat him, I did not
[28:11] Speaker 3: have his medical records. But what I'm saying is that
[28:15] Speaker 3: the pattern this elite performer in his early forties, apparently healthy,
[28:21] Speaker 3: that was struck down with the sudden catastrophic severity by
[28:26] Speaker 3: what we're calling that that common infection and being pneumonia.
[28:31] Speaker 3: It's not as as I guess, anomalist as it as
[28:36] Speaker 3: it appears to be. It is in fact a pattern,
[28:39] Speaker 3: a pattern, uh that integrative and functional medicine practitioners have
[28:44] Speaker 3: been observing and warned about for years.
[28:47] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[28:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it shows the limitations of medical care. You know,
[28:51] Speaker 4: everybody thinks, well, you know, uh, my medical doctor will
[28:55] Speaker 4: save the day.
[28:56] Speaker 6: Look, Kyle Busch.
[28:58] Speaker 4: Was under medical care from the get go, and it
[29:03] Speaker 4: was very likely a misdiagnosis. To start giving him an
[29:08] Speaker 4: antibiotic when he had a fungal infection was a monumental
[29:12] Speaker 4: error which led to pneumonia. And this sepsis where the
[29:17] Speaker 4: body's immune system response overwhelms the kidneys, the lungs and
[29:21] Speaker 4: things start unraveling very quickly.
[29:24] Speaker 6: And this is really a.
[29:24] Speaker 4: Call to action for people to understand that there are
[29:28] Speaker 4: other forms of healthcare aside from drugs and surgery. Now,
[29:35] Speaker 4: antibiotics can be life saving drugs and they save lives
[29:38] Speaker 4: every single day, but when they're used inappropriately or not
[29:43] Speaker 4: used efficaciously in an individual, in my opinion, this is
[29:47] Speaker 4: just my opinion based on everything that I've been able
[29:49] Speaker 4: to discover and also my experience as a physician over
[29:53] Speaker 4: the years treating lots and lots of sinus related conditions, pneumonia, bronchitis, asthma,
[30:01] Speaker 4: and the many patients I've seen. It has taught me
[30:04] Speaker 4: that many of the people that landed on my doorstep
[30:07] Speaker 4: as a physician were already down that path of medicine,
[30:11] Speaker 4: had already tried the antibiotics, they got worse, They tried
[30:13] Speaker 4: the steroids, they got worse, or some other quick fix response,
[30:19] Speaker 4: which sometimes you need to slow stuff down until you
[30:22] Speaker 4: can get it under control. But in this case, it
[30:24] Speaker 4: was a tragic event that ultimately led to the death
[30:27] Speaker 4: of an individual. Now you said you said earlier, Doctor Buckner,
[30:30] Speaker 4: that people that race cars are elite and elite athletes.
[30:35] Speaker 4: They are they have to have incredible eye to hand coordination.
[30:39] Speaker 4: Do you ever see one this obese. I'd never seen
[30:41] Speaker 4: one that's obese. In fact, when they had these these
[30:44] Speaker 4: athletic games where they went out and they had, you know,
[30:47] Speaker 4: a baseball player, a football player, a hockey player, and
[30:50] Speaker 4: a race car driver compete against each other.
[30:52] Speaker 6: Often the race car drivers won.
[30:54] Speaker 3: Doctor Bob, we got taken just a short break. When
[30:56] Speaker 3: we come back, I do want to talk about pneumonia briefly,
[31:00] Speaker 3: and we'll.
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[33:38] Speaker 3: Welcome back Doctor Adam Brockman here as we return to
[33:41] Speaker 3: the Doctor Bob Martin Show, America's number one health talk
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[33:47] Speaker 3: on the death of Kyle Busch, I want to remind
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[34:22] Speaker 5: Okay, doctor Bob.
[34:23] Speaker 3: Before the break, I was saying, I want to talk
[34:25] Speaker 3: about pneumonia a little bit, a little bit further. And
[34:28] Speaker 3: pneumonia kills approximately fifty thousand Americans per year. And sepsis,
[34:33] Speaker 3: the systemic inflammatory cascade that claimed Kyle Busch tragically, it
[34:39] Speaker 3: kills approximately two hundred and seventy thousand Americans annually, So
[34:46] Speaker 3: in that it's considered that thirdly because of death in
[34:49] Speaker 3: US hospitals, And yet it receives a fraction of the
[34:54] Speaker 3: public health attention and the urgency of these more ramatic
[35:00] Speaker 3: type of diagnosis. So we don't run charity races for
[35:05] Speaker 3: sepsis awareness, So we don't see celebrity fundraising campaigns for
[35:10] Speaker 3: pneumonia prevention. We treat these deaths as somewhat less significant
[35:17] Speaker 3: unless it's your loved one, as though dying of an
[35:21] Speaker 3: infection in this era of modern medicine is almost embarrassing
[35:28] Speaker 3: rather than a call a call to action, or hey,
[35:32] Speaker 3: let's spotlight this a little bit further. Intel somebody in
[35:37] Speaker 3: the stature of Kyle Busch at the age of forty
[35:40] Speaker 3: one passes away.
[35:42] Speaker 5: What do you think on.
[35:43] Speaker 4: That, Well, I think you're talking to somebody who's had
[35:46] Speaker 4: pneumonia three times growing up. Back then, of course I
[35:50] Speaker 4: did not understand, because I hadn't had any training yet,
[35:54] Speaker 4: that I probably was hospitalized with pneumonia for the very
[35:58] Speaker 4: same thing that Kyle Busch had. I probably was treated
[36:01] Speaker 4: with an antibiotic, which is standard practice still today. Doctors
[36:04] Speaker 4: handed out like candy still today, even though it's an
[36:07] Speaker 4: important drug, it's a miracle drug, but it's used inappropriately
[36:11] Speaker 4: and unjudiciously. So, you know, reflecting back on my childhood,
[36:18] Speaker 4: that's how I got hospitalized. I should have been treated
[36:20] Speaker 4: for a fungal infection, which most sinus problems begin with
[36:24] Speaker 4: a fungal infection. And if you don't believe me, look
[36:26] Speaker 4: at MAO clinic. So let's now quantumly move from here
[36:31] Speaker 4: to the misdiagnosis that he had started with a fungal infection,
[36:35] Speaker 4: was treated with an antibiotic which just makes a fungal infection worse,
[36:38] Speaker 4: leads to pneumonia, which leads to sepsis, and then he
[36:41] Speaker 4: goes to the you know, and he's got sepsis. Had
[36:44] Speaker 4: this been caught in time and they knew he had sepsis,
[36:48] Speaker 4: he could have been treated properly even for the sepsis,
[36:52] Speaker 4: and it may have saved his life. By introducing intravenous,
[36:55] Speaker 4: high dose, slow drip vitamin C along with vitamin B
[36:59] Speaker 4: one thigh, along with hydro cortisone no combination. You can
[37:03] Speaker 4: read about it, read about it for yourself, that combination
[37:06] Speaker 4: when you could save people's lives, and it's not being
[37:10] Speaker 4: done in hospitals.
[37:12] Speaker 6: Why, I don't know. Who knows.
[37:14] Speaker 4: We know there's three hundred and fifty thousand deaths of
[37:16] Speaker 4: stepsis every single year. Happens mostly to older people because
[37:20] Speaker 4: you're just not as virile as you were and your
[37:22] Speaker 4: immune system can can fade. That's why it's so odd
[37:27] Speaker 4: when you read or hear about an athlete, an elead athlete,
[37:31] Speaker 4: prime of his life, dying with this disease. And again
[37:35] Speaker 4: I want to circle back, this was totally unnecessary. And again,
[37:39] Speaker 4: as much as information that I've been able to gather.
[37:42] Speaker 4: You've been able to gather doctor Brockman, and the experience
[37:45] Speaker 4: we've had as doctors with patients, we know this should
[37:48] Speaker 4: not have happened had he had some functional medical care,
[37:52] Speaker 4: a doctor that knows integrative medicine, a doctor who understands
[37:56] Speaker 4: and can recognize that most sinus problems are not bacterial logic,
[38:01] Speaker 4: they're almost always fungal.
[38:03] Speaker 6: Especially if you check the.
[38:04] Speaker 4: Secretions coming out of their nose and then you stop
[38:07] Speaker 4: your antibiotic prescription and shots and you move right to
[38:11] Speaker 4: an anti fungal program. This gentleman's life would have been
[38:16] Speaker 4: saved most likely.
[38:18] Speaker 5: I agree, And let me be direct.
[38:21] Speaker 3: You know your your immune system is not some type
[38:24] Speaker 3: of a passive shield. It's this dynamic It's a living,
[38:28] Speaker 3: metabolically demanding system that requires specific inputs to maintain maintains
[38:36] Speaker 3: its vitality. So again, you know, mentioning sleep in that
[38:41] Speaker 3: genuine restorative sleep is perhaps one of the most the
[38:46] Speaker 3: single most powerful immune modulating type of system that is
[38:51] Speaker 3: available to you, and it's and it's free. But I
[38:54] Speaker 3: also want to talk about micronutrient sufficiency. And again I'm
[38:58] Speaker 3: talking about that adequate vitamin D the zinc, the magnesium,
[39:04] Speaker 3: and you mentioned vitamin C, and these are it's foundational
[39:09] Speaker 3: to immune cell production in function. So so chronic psychological
[39:16] Speaker 3: or or or mechanical stress that's put on the body,
[39:20] Speaker 3: it's immunosuppressive at every level, and that activates again cortisol
[39:28] Speaker 3: that it selectively starts to downregulate exactly the cellular immune
[39:34] Speaker 3: response that's needed to fight off things like respiratory infections.
[39:39] Speaker 3: And then you add in gut health and the diversity
[39:42] Speaker 3: and the vitality of your gut microbiome. And now now
[39:47] Speaker 3: you're talking about something that's that tied together is understood
[39:50] Speaker 3: to be a primary determination of your systemic immune function.
[39:56] Speaker 3: So talking about we need to take another another short
[39:59] Speaker 3: break and and when come back, I'm gonna go ahead
[40:01] Speaker 3: and get your final thoughts on this. You're listening to
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[41:31] Speaker 3: You're listening to the Doctor Bob Martin Show and I'm
[41:33] Speaker 3: doctor Adam Brockman and folks who've already hit the end
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[41:42] Speaker 3: to again thank you for joining us today. From Doctor
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[42:16] Speaker 5: And we've been today we've been talking.
[42:18] Speaker 3: About Kyle Busch's death, and it doesn't necessarily change the
[42:24] Speaker 3: conversation that we've brought for years. And it's not necessarily
[42:29] Speaker 3: because his story is unique, tragically it's it's not, but
[42:35] Speaker 3: because his stature, his youth, and the shocking speed of
[42:38] Speaker 3: his decline make it impossible to dismiss with the usual
[42:44] Speaker 3: platitudes about underlying conditions. And it could happen to anyone,
[42:49] Speaker 3: and yes, it can happen to anyone, and that is
[42:53] Speaker 3: precisely the point of today's conversation, Doctor Bob Exactly.
[42:59] Speaker 4: This is going to help somebody along the line. And
[43:01] Speaker 4: this radio show has provided this kind of information for
[43:05] Speaker 4: thirty years. That's what we do. It's our passion, it's
[43:08] Speaker 4: our goal, it's our mission, and we love it. We
[43:11] Speaker 4: think it's our calling actually, and we look forward to it.
[43:16] Speaker 4: But you're right, when you have a person like Kyle
[43:19] Speaker 4: Busch who is a champion NASCAR driver, you don't have
[43:24] Speaker 4: to be a NASCAR friend to pick up on this story.
[43:27] Speaker 4: You don't have to be you know, forty one years
[43:31] Speaker 4: of age. You could be sixty five or you could
[43:33] Speaker 4: be twenty. This should still be significant to you in
[43:36] Speaker 4: terms of a call to action. When you have a
[43:39] Speaker 4: sinus infection and you are it's not going away, and
[43:43] Speaker 4: you say, okay, well I'll go to the only healing
[43:45] Speaker 4: art there is on the planet. I'll see my medical doctor.
[43:48] Speaker 4: Because the only treatment is drugs and more drugs. There's
[43:52] Speaker 4: where you make your first possible fatal mistake. Most of
[43:56] Speaker 4: these things with sinuses are benign, they're self limiting. It
[43:59] Speaker 4: could be handled safely and naturally. And had he walked
[44:02] Speaker 4: into my office with the sinus infection, I can tell
[44:04] Speaker 4: you this, he would have been recommended clears rescue nasal spray.
[44:08] Speaker 4: I would have put him on a large dose of
[44:10] Speaker 4: garlic oil, golden seal, oregano oil, recommended rest, hydration, sunlight,
[44:18] Speaker 4: and lowering his stress. And I'm telling you what, I've
[44:22] Speaker 4: run into people just like Kyle Bush that have gotten
[44:25] Speaker 4: over exactly what he got over. Unfortunately, in my opinion,
[44:29] Speaker 4: he got the wrong treatment and for the wrong condition,
[44:32] Speaker 4: and it spun out out of control into pneumonia, which
[44:36] Speaker 4: then led to sepsis, which then caused his death. So
[44:40] Speaker 4: just remember, folks, medical care is very limited, and in
[44:43] Speaker 4: this case it let Kyle Busch and his.
[44:45] Speaker 6: Family and many other people down.
[44:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, and rest in peace, Kyle.
[44:51] Speaker 3: You drove like you were built to last forever. The
[44:54] Speaker 3: least we can do is learn from the lesson that
[44:59] Speaker 3: this passing is have less left us with as so, folks,
[45:02] Speaker 3: your your body is your ultimate vehicle. Drive it accordingly.

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