# Flip phones are so back

An episode of [The Vergecast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/430333725), 28 Jul 2026, 32 min.

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The team at Light has been working on minimalist phones for more than a decade. Its last device had a lot in common with a smartphone, but the newest model, the Light Flip, is something very different. Light CEO Kaiwei Tang explains why Light made a flip phone, how the world's opinion of smartphones is changing, and whether you can cure your tech problems with more tech. Further reading: • Apple launches ‘Upgrade’ program to lease new devices • Apple’s reported ‘HomePad’ may launch as early as October • X Money is launching in the US starting today • The Light Flip is a minimalist flip phone with a point to prove • Light Phone III review: everything in moderation • The high hopes of the low-tech phone • There’s no perfect minimalist phone — yet Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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