# The case for and against Trump's double border wall

An episode of [Here & Now Anytime](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/426698661), 26 Oct 2026, 20 min.

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With the midterms approaching, Here & Now's Peter O'Dowd visits Southern Arizona to speak with ranchers who live along the border. We hear from rancher John Ladd about why he supports the construction of a new double wall along his property. We also hear why rancher Ross Humphries is against the construction of a new double wall along his property. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. NPR Privacy Policy

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