# Hot For His Daughter: The Creepy Chronicle of a Predator President

An episode of [TheThinkingAtheist](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/412308695), 29 Jul 2025, 1 h 01 min.

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## Transcript

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[0:56] Speaker 2: So I'm in the middle of the new book that
[0:58] Speaker 2: just released by e Genie Carol. She was an advice
[1:02] Speaker 2: columnist for Elle magazine for like twenty five years and
[1:06] Speaker 2: a journalist and she's written several books and now at
[1:10] Speaker 2: the age of eighty one, she's still kicking. I subscribed
[1:13] Speaker 2: to her substack column and she is hysterical. She's just
[1:19] Speaker 2: freaking hysterical. I love the way she writes. But she
[1:23] Speaker 2: has been in the news mostly over the past I
[1:26] Speaker 2: don't know, six seven years, because back in the nineteen nineties,
[1:30] Speaker 2: when she was like fifty one, Donald Trump sexually assaulted
[1:36] Speaker 2: her in the dressing room of a department store. At
[1:40] Speaker 2: the time, she didn't say anything publicly. She filed no charges.
[1:44] Speaker 2: This wasn't anything, of course, that would ever go to court.
[1:47] Speaker 2: It was just under the rug. And when I got
[1:51] Speaker 2: to the point of the book where recently in twenty
[1:54] Speaker 2: twenty three, she was on the witness stand talking or
[1:57] Speaker 2: being grilled by Trump attorney Joe Tack, I was livid.
[2:02] Speaker 2: I mean, the vein's coming out of my forehead and
[2:04] Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Jesus, no wonder. So many women don't come
[2:08] Speaker 2: forward to talk about being sexually assaulted because Takapina was
[2:12] Speaker 2: doing everything in his power to just destroy the woman.
[2:17] Speaker 2: Destroy that. He didn't succeed. He destroyed himself. But here's
[2:21] Speaker 2: the timeline. Okay, so this happened back in the nineties,
[2:25] Speaker 2: the sexual assault. In June of twenty nineteen, Egene Carroll
[2:29] Speaker 2: publishes her memoir called what do We Need Men? For
[2:32] Speaker 2: a modest Proposal? Now, this is this is going to
[2:36] Speaker 2: tongue in cheek. Egene Carroll has had men in her life,
[2:40] Speaker 2: her entire life. She is a fan of men, despite
[2:43] Speaker 2: what happened to her. She's very fair about this. But
[2:45] Speaker 2: in June of twenty nineteen. She writes Donald Trump raped
[2:49] Speaker 2: me in a department store dressing room in the mid
[2:53] Speaker 2: nineteen nineties. Donald Trump then denies the accusations, and he says,
[2:59] Speaker 2: number one, she's not my type. Number two, it never happened. Well.
[3:04] Speaker 2: This has become the title of Egen Carroll's new book
[3:07] Speaker 2: called Not My Type, and it tells you how Donald
[3:10] Speaker 2: Trump thinks about women and being accused of rape. He
[3:15] Speaker 2: doesn't say, I'm not that kind of person. I honor
[3:18] Speaker 2: and respect women. How dare you malign my character in
[3:21] Speaker 2: this way? I deserve better as a noble member of
[3:24] Speaker 2: the male gender. Blah blah blah. No, no, he says, Eh,
[3:27] Speaker 2: she's not my tie.
[3:28] Speaker 4: She's not my type.
[3:30] Speaker 2: Why would I grab her and do this and that
[3:32] Speaker 2: with my penis? And why would I she ain't she
[3:35] Speaker 2: ain't my type? That was Donald Trump. Egen Carrol says, fine,
[3:40] Speaker 2: I will see you in court in several lawsuits. I
[3:44] Speaker 2: think two major lawsuits were filed for defamation. January sixth,
[3:48] Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, a second jury, because he had lost
[3:52] Speaker 2: the first case, it went to appeal. A second jury
[3:56] Speaker 2: ordered Donald Trump that he must pay eighty three point
[4:00] Speaker 2: three million dollars to Egen Carrol Ford, defaming her when
[4:04] Speaker 2: she initially came forward with her story. And of course,
[4:09] Speaker 2: as he does so expertly, he rendered his garments and
[4:13] Speaker 2: cried victim and said, oh, this is not the America
[4:16] Speaker 2: that was once so great. It's on the record. Donald
[4:21] Speaker 2: Trump sexually assaulted Egene Carol and then defamed her. This
[4:26] Speaker 2: is a matter now of a legal court ruling. So
[4:32] Speaker 2: I'm listening to this story. And then I stumbled upon
[4:34] Speaker 2: an article much too long to read here, but it
[4:38] Speaker 2: is a legal recommendation as published at the City College
[4:43] Speaker 2: of New York and the Michigan Journal of Gender and
[4:46] Speaker 2: Law by a law professor named Ruth Ann Robson. And
[4:50] Speaker 2: she had written five years ago that it might have
[4:54] Speaker 2: great utility to put together a special report chronicling the
[4:59] Speaker 2: decades long sexual predation of Donald Trump. Now, obviously with
[5:03] Speaker 2: the Congress we have now we know that's a punchline.
[5:06] Speaker 2: I mean, these are the same invertebrates, cons and co
[5:09] Speaker 2: predators that refuse to take a vote on releasing the
[5:13] Speaker 2: Epstein files. And right now Donald Trump is probably you know,
[5:17] Speaker 2: they're going back, probably redacting his name and maybe even
[5:20] Speaker 2: falsely adding the names of all the people he wants
[5:23] Speaker 2: to take revenge on, and then they're going to release
[5:25] Speaker 2: it as fiction. You know what I'm saying. It's just
[5:28] Speaker 2: like relying on the Congress to hold a special committee
[5:33] Speaker 2: like the Warren Report or the nine to eleven report
[5:37] Speaker 2: or the Muller Report. Now, they would never do this
[5:40] Speaker 2: for Trump's long history of sexual predation, but Professor Robson
[5:45] Speaker 2: does make a salient point that it would be useful.
[5:49] Speaker 2: Let's go through the claims. Let's make it a matter
[5:51] Speaker 2: of not just public but governmental record. After all, this
[5:56] Speaker 2: guy is the president of the United States. So then
[6:01] Speaker 2: I was even more curious about these specific allegations by
[6:05] Speaker 2: so many women. The estimate ranges, I think from the
[6:07] Speaker 2: twenties into over seventy people. Some were reporting anonymously. There
[6:14] Speaker 2: was a long list of some specific cases that I
[6:19] Speaker 2: was going through, right. Jessica Leeds in twenty sixteen told
[6:24] Speaker 2: The New York Times that back in the seventies, Donald Trump,
[6:28] Speaker 2: who she did not know, reached his hand up her
[6:32] Speaker 2: skirt and he grabbed her breasts on a flight to
[6:35] Speaker 2: New York. So there was a first class seat next
[6:40] Speaker 2: to him, and she was sitting in the back but
[6:42] Speaker 2: he thought, wow, she's hot, so he brought her up,
[6:45] Speaker 2: sat her down next to him, and of course she's
[6:47] Speaker 2: kind of intoxicated by the idea of flying first class.
[6:50] Speaker 2: And it's Donald Trump, who was a known quantity, and
[6:53] Speaker 2: before she knew it, she said, quote, he was like
[6:56] Speaker 2: an octopus and his hands were everywhere. He literally started
[7:00] Speaker 2: groping her in first class. She got up and fled
[7:03] Speaker 2: to the back of the plane. This was in the seventies.
[7:07] Speaker 2: Ivonna Trump, his first wife, accused him in a divorce
[7:11] Speaker 2: deposition that he raped her in a fit of rage
[7:15] Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty nine when they were married. And
[7:18] Speaker 2: by the way, yes you can rape somebody when you're married.
[7:21] Speaker 2: There was a preacher, I think, who made an assertion
[7:25] Speaker 2: that once you signed the document in your husband and wife,
[7:28] Speaker 2: then there's no such thing as rape. You gotta be
[7:30] Speaker 2: shitting me. Kristen Anderson, a photographer and a former model,
[7:37] Speaker 2: she said, back in the nineties, Donald Trump sat next
[7:39] Speaker 2: to her at a nightclub and he just reached under
[7:42] Speaker 2: her skirt. Totally freaked her out. She was out of there.
[7:46] Speaker 2: Two weeks before the twenty twenty four presidential election, there
[7:51] Speaker 2: was an interview in the Guardian with a woman named
[7:54] Speaker 2: Stacy Williams. She said, I met Donald Trump back in
[7:59] Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two through none other than Jeffrey Ebstein. Jeffrey Epstein,
[8:07] Speaker 2: the ceial sex trafficker with the pedophile Island and flying
[8:13] Speaker 2: people there, you know, the rich, fat cat rapist people
[8:17] Speaker 2: on the Lolita Express. And it was Jeffrey Epstein who
[8:21] Speaker 2: suggested that the two of them go visit Epstein's buddy,
[8:25] Speaker 2: Donald Trump at Trump Tower in New York this nineteen
[8:29] Speaker 2: ninety three, and shortly after she got there, Donald Trump
[8:33] Speaker 2: groped her breasts and grabbed her butts. The Trump campaign
[8:38] Speaker 2: said this is false. Jill Hearth, a woman who worked
[8:43] Speaker 2: with Donald Trump in the nineteen nineties, said he tried
[8:46] Speaker 2: to rape her nineteen ninety three. She said Trump tried
[8:50] Speaker 2: to kiss her in his own daughter's bedroom at Mara Lago.
[8:53] Speaker 2: He pushed her against a wall, he put his hand
[8:56] Speaker 2: up her dress. She filed a lawsuit and then draw
[9:00] Speaker 2: upped the suit a few weeks later as part of
[9:03] Speaker 2: a settlement with Trump. In regard to a different court case,
[9:09] Speaker 2: a businesswoman named Lisa Boyne said that in nineteen ninety six,
[9:15] Speaker 2: at a dinner with Donald Trump. Several women were forced
[9:18] Speaker 2: to walk across a table while Donald Trump looked up
[9:23] Speaker 2: their skirts and commented on their underwear and bodies. She
[9:27] Speaker 2: said it was the most offensive scene I've ever been
[9:30] Speaker 2: a part of. I mean, there were far too many
[9:33] Speaker 2: for me to read for you here, but they're just terrifying.
[9:38] Speaker 2: Just a quick summation of a few of the others.
[9:44] Speaker 2: Natasha Stoynoff a former reporter for People magazine. In full disclosure,
[9:49] Speaker 2: she's a friend of mine. She was at mar A
[9:51] Speaker 2: Lago in two thousand and five doing a story about
[9:54] Speaker 2: Trump's first year of marriage with Maulania, so she's there
[9:59] Speaker 2: on the job. Malania goes upstairs. Trump says, hey, come
[10:02] Speaker 2: in this other room. I want to show you something.
[10:05] Speaker 2: Then Trump closes the door, pushes Natasha against the wall,
[10:09] Speaker 2: and forces his tongue down her throat. She has, of course,
[10:13] Speaker 2: since come forward and bravely talked about the assault and
[10:18] Speaker 2: been blowing the whistle on this sexual predator ever since
[10:24] Speaker 2: they got Rachel Crooks. Former Trump Tower receptionist, said that
[10:28] Speaker 2: back in two thousand and five, Trump just grabbed her
[10:31] Speaker 2: and kissed her on the mouth. You've got the pageant thing.
[10:35] Speaker 2: Former Miss Finland said that Trump grabbed her by the
[10:39] Speaker 2: butt when they were backstage at the Late Show with
[10:42] Speaker 2: David Letterman. Samantha Halvey, a former Miss USA contestant, said
[10:47] Speaker 2: that Trump would just walk through and size everybody up.
[10:51] Speaker 2: Bridget Sullivan, former Miss USA contestants, said it was common
[10:55] Speaker 2: for Trump just to walk backstage while people the contestants
[10:58] Speaker 2: were naked or get dressed. He just felt entitled because
[11:02] Speaker 2: he owned Miss USA. By the way, he also owned
[11:06] Speaker 2: Miss Teen USA. According to contestants, he would go back
[11:12] Speaker 2: into the dressing rooms with contestants as young as fifteen,
[11:16] Speaker 2: assuring them, don't worry, ladies, I've seen it all before
[11:22] Speaker 2: he got Summer Zervos, she was a former contestant on
[11:25] Speaker 2: The Apprentice. She said, back in two thousand and seven,
[11:28] Speaker 2: he just grabbed her, grabbed her shoulder, kissed her aggressively,
[11:31] Speaker 2: put his hand on her breast, thrust himself on her
[11:34] Speaker 2: before she was able to tear herself away and get
[11:38] Speaker 2: out of the room, one after the other after the other,
[11:42] Speaker 2: which brings me back to Epstein. In the Epstein documents,
[11:47] Speaker 2: I don't care who's on the list. I mean, I care,
[11:51] Speaker 2: but you know what I mean when I say, if
[11:53] Speaker 2: it's Trump, if it's I mean, any name, any President Obama, Bush, Clinton, whoever,
[12:00] Speaker 2: all right, whoever's on the list. If it's another celebrity,
[12:04] Speaker 2: if it's Harvey Weinstein, if it's Prince Andrew, if it's
[12:07] Speaker 2: a common, everyday citizen that nobody knows but happens to
[12:11] Speaker 2: be a fat cat. That Ebstein sort of rubbed elbows with.
[12:15] Speaker 2: Whoever was on the manifest whoever was in the room,
[12:18] Speaker 2: whoever's on surveillance footage, whoever's been photoed, whoever was there,
[12:23] Speaker 2: whoever raped children? I want to know who they are,
[12:28] Speaker 2: and I want them prosecuted. Immediately expose and prosecute them.
[12:34] Speaker 2: How could this possibly be a controversial position? And then
[12:39] Speaker 2: I got to sit back and watch Mike Johnson, who
[12:42] Speaker 2: has been this bloviating, chest thumping, Bible banging Puritan conservative
[12:48] Speaker 2: Christian who supposedly is the moral high ground guy. Right,
[12:52] Speaker 2: he stands on the tall mountain giving the rest of
[12:55] Speaker 2: his his moral wisdom. He just decides, not only are
[13:00] Speaker 2: we gonna not convene till September so we don't have
[13:03] Speaker 2: to address the Epstein documents, but Donald Trump is enjoying
[13:07] Speaker 2: a ninety percent approval rating. I mean, the guy has
[13:11] Speaker 2: no If there is a soul, he has no soul.
[13:14] Speaker 2: These people are ghules, they're guls, they are predator and nablests.
[13:19] Speaker 2: They are co rapists as far as I'm concerned. And
[13:23] Speaker 2: then we've got the words of Donald Trump himself. I
[13:26] Speaker 2: mentioned was it last show about Donald Trump? When he
[13:30] Speaker 2: was on the escalator that time years ago. There's like
[13:33] Speaker 2: a ten year old girl. He doesn't just say hey,
[13:37] Speaker 2: nice to see you have a good day. Right, maybe
[13:39] Speaker 2: he is a recognized quantity even with children. Oh look
[13:43] Speaker 2: it's Donald Trump. Does he say hi, I have a
[13:45] Speaker 2: good day. No, this is what comes out of his
[13:48] Speaker 2: mouth as soon as he sees the ten year old girl,
[13:52] Speaker 2: You're going up the escaladder. I'm going to be dating her.
[13:55] Speaker 5: In ten years.
[13:56] Speaker 4: Gonna go in.
[13:58] Speaker 2: Regarding the court case for Carol, Donald Trump gave his
[14:02] Speaker 2: deposition on camera. He was asked about the Access Hollywood
[14:06] Speaker 2: tape grab him by the pussy. You know when he said, ah,
[14:10] Speaker 2: come on, it's just locker room talk. He didn't say
[14:12] Speaker 2: I'm so sorry I said it. It was a horrible
[14:15] Speaker 2: thing and a horrible attitude. And I should have been better.
[14:18] Speaker 2: And I'm going to commit the rest of my life
[14:20] Speaker 2: to to being the man that I always should have been.
[14:23] Speaker 2: I beg forgiveness to all women for acting and speaking
[14:27] Speaker 2: and being so no, no, nan. He is asked during
[14:32] Speaker 2: the deposition about that statement. And here's what he said.
[14:36] Speaker 6: True stars, that they can grab women by the well,
[14:38] Speaker 6: that's what that's If you look over the last million years,
[14:42] Speaker 6: I guess that's been largely too, not always, but largely true.
[14:47] Speaker 4: Unfortunately or fortunately.
[14:49] Speaker 2: As John Stewart so eloquently pointed out on The Daily
[14:53] Speaker 2: Show a few days ago, Trump won't even take a
[14:56] Speaker 2: position non whether or not pussy grabbing is a appropriate
[15:01] Speaker 2: or inappropriate. This man is the president of the United
[15:07] Speaker 2: States of America, and I have to watch maga minions,
[15:13] Speaker 2: enablers allow it and even celebrate it. There's an actual
[15:21] Speaker 2: organization called Women for Trump. It's the equivalent of chickens
[15:31] Speaker 2: for Tyson Foods. And then, before I get to your calls,
[15:41] Speaker 2: Donald Trump, speaking about his own daughter, said that if
[15:48] Speaker 2: Evanca weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her. It's
[15:52] Speaker 2: so weird.
[15:56] Speaker 6: Far from protecting his daughter from being talked about as
[15:58] Speaker 6: a sex object, he has encouraged it multiple times. On
[16:02] Speaker 6: Howard Stern's radio show in two thousand and four and
[16:05] Speaker 6: then again in two thousand and six.
[16:07] Speaker 2: By the way, you and daughter, she's beautiful. Can I
[16:10] Speaker 2: say this is a piece of ass? She looks more
[16:12] Speaker 2: voluptuous than ever and actually always been very voluptuous.
[16:17] Speaker 7: She's almost six feet tall.
[16:18] Speaker 6: In May, Ivanka described herself as a feminist while defending
[16:22] Speaker 6: her father on CBS after escathing New York Times article
[16:26] Speaker 6: about his alleged negative treatment of women.
[16:28] Speaker 2: Is there unending commentary on the female form?
[16:31] Speaker 3: No?
[16:32] Speaker 4: No, I've known my father obviously my whole life, and
[16:35] Speaker 4: he has total respect for women.
[16:37] Speaker 7: Please welcome the lovely Ivanka Trump.
[16:40] Speaker 6: Still, even if Vodka, seemed confused when talk show host
[16:43] Speaker 6: Wendy Williams asked about things the two have in common.
[16:47] Speaker 2: What's the favorite thing you have in common with your father,
[16:50] Speaker 2: either real estate or golf? Donald with your daughter? Well,
[16:55] Speaker 2: I was going to say sex, but I can't relate that.
[16:59] Speaker 6: Donald Trump repeatedly points out how hot his daughter is,
[17:03] Speaker 6: saying last year in a Rolling Stone article, Yeah, she's
[17:06] Speaker 6: really something and what a beauty that one. If I
[17:09] Speaker 6: weren't happily married, and you know her father.
[17:12] Speaker 2: My daughter, Yeah, she's six feet tall. She's got the
[17:16] Speaker 2: best body here. She's hot. That's a report that was
[17:18] Speaker 2: done several years ago by CNN. There's no bottom, there's
[17:23] Speaker 2: just no floor. Every time I think there's a threshold,
[17:27] Speaker 2: there's a limit. Now there's no limit. There's no there's
[17:31] Speaker 2: no limit to these people. It's just ghoules. And now
[17:38] Speaker 2: you and I are trapped here. There's tens of millions
[17:40] Speaker 2: of freaking voters have allowed this guy, this predator, this
[17:44] Speaker 2: con this this man who is disintegrating cognitively before our
[17:49] Speaker 2: very eyes, grab America by the pussy. I need a break,
[17:59] Speaker 2: I need a sec I need have moments to take
[18:01] Speaker 2: a breath and refresh my coffee back in just second.
[18:10] Speaker 2: Thank you for listening and supporting me. Thank you just
[18:13] Speaker 2: for being here. We're all in this together, and you
[18:18] Speaker 2: were much appreciated for zero two. I don't see your name. Hi, welcome.
[18:25] Speaker 2: What do I call you?
[18:27] Speaker 4: My friends call me Maggie or Maggie.
[18:30] Speaker 5: So I've been.
[18:31] Speaker 4: Thinking a lot about so their children. I've never had children,
[18:35] Speaker 4: their children in my life, though I've raised several nieces
[18:38] Speaker 4: and nephews and my blood family. The people who raised
[18:43] Speaker 4: me are very, very religious, some of them more than others,
[18:47] Speaker 4: you know, And I was raised to be Christian and
[18:50] Speaker 4: all that, I never really believed, like when I was
[18:53] Speaker 4: a kid. You know, when you're told the believe stuff
[18:55] Speaker 4: and you're a kid, you do. But I found my
[18:57] Speaker 4: own path eventually away from all that and everything. But
[19:01] Speaker 4: I'm living around those people again, my blood relatives, and
[19:06] Speaker 4: there are kids. Some of my siblings or cousins or
[19:09] Speaker 4: whatever have children, and I don't know, like subjects come
[19:15] Speaker 4: up sometimes. For instance, they love dinosaurs. I love dinosaurs.
[19:20] Speaker 4: I've always loved dinosaurs. And they ask questions and stuff,
[19:24] Speaker 4: and I don't lie to children, and yet their parents
[19:28] Speaker 4: would not be happy with me if I were to
[19:30] Speaker 4: tell them the truth of say, birds they're dinosaurs because evolution,
[19:36] Speaker 4: and yet I have already done that and they are like, okay, yeah,
[19:41] Speaker 4: that makes sense, you know. I tell them, you know,
[19:43] Speaker 4: why we know this and everything. I try not to
[19:47] Speaker 4: speak down the children, but I also try to summarize
[19:50] Speaker 4: things because they're not going to grasp a lot of it.
[19:53] Speaker 4: And I don't know, I'm just feeling really anxious about
[19:56] Speaker 4: how much should I push and tell them these things
[20:01] Speaker 4: when they ask these questions or when we're talking about
[20:05] Speaker 4: anything related, and like, am I an asshole if I
[20:08] Speaker 4: tell them these things that their parents do not want
[20:11] Speaker 4: them to be hearing. So I just wanted your opinion
[20:15] Speaker 4: on that kids are tough.
[20:17] Speaker 2: There's a boundary involved where yeah, a parent does have
[20:24] Speaker 2: stewardship over the child, and there is no great solution.
[20:29] Speaker 2: You and I are like, let's teach the kids how
[20:31] Speaker 2: to think, not what to think. But if a parent
[20:34] Speaker 2: has the right to raise that child, I always praise
[20:38] Speaker 2: it this way, like, doesn't a child have the right
[20:41] Speaker 2: to not be brainwashed? You know? And I think, but
[20:45] Speaker 2: I was six years old. I wish, you know, someone
[20:49] Speaker 2: had said, doesn't this child have the right to not
[20:51] Speaker 2: be raised with magical thinking and wrong ideas? And it's
[20:56] Speaker 2: so freaking messy. I don't know how to approach the
[21:00] Speaker 2: parenting of another's child. I don't think the answer is
[21:04] Speaker 2: to step into that boundary, into the threshold of their
[21:06] Speaker 2: lives and begin telling kids what to think. I do
[21:10] Speaker 2: think it's healthy for the kids to see you living
[21:13] Speaker 2: with a different perspective, living with maybe even different values.
[21:18] Speaker 2: You're in their zip code, you're in their eyeline, and
[21:21] Speaker 2: they're like, wow, that's interesting.
[21:24] Speaker 4: I feel like it's my responsibility. Like you said, teach
[21:27] Speaker 4: some how to think and not what to think. I
[21:29] Speaker 4: guess is the only real thing I can do.
[21:32] Speaker 2: Dude, I've got a shit ton of Well, they're grown now,
[21:36] Speaker 2: but when they were younger, nephews and nieces, and I
[21:39] Speaker 2: see them and they're going to church every Sunday. And
[21:42] Speaker 2: they believe that Adam and Eve lived in the garden
[21:44] Speaker 2: and Noah built the Ark, and they believe Jesus was
[21:48] Speaker 2: the magical baby born in the manger, and all of
[21:50] Speaker 2: these other things, and the Bible had informed how they
[21:54] Speaker 2: felt in the world about other things. Their parents had
[21:56] Speaker 2: taught them that being gay was the perversion of God's
[22:00] Speaker 2: perfect plan and that gay people were pervs and blah
[22:03] Speaker 2: blah blah. And they taught them not to trust scientists
[22:06] Speaker 2: because scientists are putting their faith in the natural. We
[22:10] Speaker 2: put our faith in the supernatural. So they were hamstringing them.
[22:13] Speaker 2: And I found myself vibrating in my chair, thinking, how
[22:16] Speaker 2: do we how do? What can I do? I feel
[22:19] Speaker 2: helpless watching this child be brainwashed the way I was brainwashed,
[22:25] Speaker 2: And I'm handcuffed because that is not my zone. I
[22:29] Speaker 2: do not have the legal right at the very least
[22:33] Speaker 2: to go in and try to parent somebody else's child.
[22:37] Speaker 2: The best I knew how to do was to be
[22:39] Speaker 2: Uncle Seth, who doesn't believe in God, who doesn't think
[22:43] Speaker 2: it's real, in the hopes that when the time came,
[22:47] Speaker 2: they would say, hey, wait a minute, I'm wondering how
[22:51] Speaker 2: you got there, And this has happened. There have been
[22:56] Speaker 2: a few people in my family who when they became adults,
[23:00] Speaker 2: and a few of them are under the radar. I'm
[23:02] Speaker 2: not betraying them, because my family's huge and no one's
[23:04] Speaker 2: going to be able to pigeonhole them. But at this
[23:07] Speaker 2: point they're still under the radar. They know it's crap,
[23:12] Speaker 2: and they have silently reached out to me and said, okay,
[23:15] Speaker 2: I get it. I'm on I understand, but you know,
[23:19] Speaker 2: they don't want to upset mom, dad, grandma, whoever, and
[23:22] Speaker 2: so they play it really cool. But just be you
[23:26] Speaker 2: at the volume you choose in their vicinity if you can. Awesome,
[23:34] Speaker 2: all right, Thanks for Colin, appreciate you.
[23:36] Speaker 4: Thanks til.
[23:40] Speaker 2: I've got Al calling out of Chicago seven seven three High. Al, welcome,
[23:46] Speaker 2: good to speak with you. Let's talk what's on your mind.
[23:49] Speaker 7: I just wanted to talk about the kind of shotenfreude
[23:53] Speaker 7: that I've seen in some of my clients. They don't
[23:57] Speaker 7: say it directly, but when you're a mental health professional,
[24:00] Speaker 7: you start to see the signs when they bring up
[24:02] Speaker 7: certain politicians or personalities. It's a little scary to me
[24:06] Speaker 7: because it seems to be like an equal opportunity problem. Certainly,
[24:10] Speaker 7: it's not as much of the I want to see
[24:12] Speaker 7: the other side suffer on the liberal side as there
[24:15] Speaker 7: are seemingly on the mega side. But I do get
[24:18] Speaker 7: some of that regardless of who I talk to, regardless
[24:21] Speaker 7: of which group. Like for every ten nice empathetic comments
[24:26] Speaker 7: about the flooding victims, there's like one that I'll see
[24:30] Speaker 7: online where it's like, oh, you know, they got it
[24:32] Speaker 7: coming and all this, but of course you see the
[24:35] Speaker 7: stuff from their side where you get your body my
[24:39] Speaker 7: choice saying you get the owning the Libs because of
[24:43] Speaker 7: the alligator Alcatraz stuff. Oh I hope they get I
[24:46] Speaker 7: hope those people get eaten. And like, I don't know
[24:50] Speaker 7: if this was around when I was a kid, Like
[24:53] Speaker 7: there was vitriol, there was certainly distrust, but I I
[25:00] Speaker 7: wonder if you have seen in the past the amount
[25:05] Speaker 7: of dehumanizing of the other when it comes.
[25:08] Speaker 2: To Americans, I haven't seen it.
[25:11] Speaker 7: Is this something I'm just seeing.
[25:12] Speaker 2: Broadcast in that way at this volume from the highest levels,
[25:17] Speaker 2: the kind of open, unabashed, celebrated cruelty that we are
[25:22] Speaker 2: seeing now. I mean, people are cheering the unmarked vans
[25:25] Speaker 2: and the masked Ice agents, the secret police, the American
[25:30] Speaker 2: Gestapo that are just stripping families apart and their's screams
[25:33] Speaker 2: and tears, and people who will never see their family
[25:36] Speaker 2: members again before they go off into a torture camp somewhere.
[25:40] Speaker 2: And people that were supposed to be all about the
[25:42] Speaker 2: love of Jesus, a shit ton of them, or they're
[25:44] Speaker 2: high five in each other because this is hashtag America.
[25:48] Speaker 2: I feel what you're feeling. It's a celebration of the
[25:52] Speaker 2: herd of other people. It's crazy.
[25:55] Speaker 7: Yeah, it does feel as if it's I think it's
[25:59] Speaker 7: the unabashed. It's you're right to say that. The difference
[26:03] Speaker 7: is like, it's not the kind of enjoyment of others
[26:06] Speaker 7: suffering that you would want public. It's like, let's veil it,
[26:10] Speaker 7: let's hide it underneath some tradition. Let's find a way
[26:13] Speaker 7: to not let them know that we're dehumanizing them, but
[26:17] Speaker 7: it's just the way it is, you know, that's just
[26:20] Speaker 7: how it goes. But now it's like, no, I'm not
[26:23] Speaker 7: even anonymously, I'm going to be openly and happily with
[26:28] Speaker 7: my face on the screen say these people are not human.
[26:32] Speaker 7: And I can't say that that's the technological thing, but
[26:35] Speaker 7: maybe it is. I can't say that it's a sociological thing.
[26:38] Speaker 4: Maybe it is.
[26:40] Speaker 7: But it does get me worried because it's like anybody
[26:43] Speaker 7: can become that. Well, not every human being, but like
[26:46] Speaker 7: if any person that's in front of you, you can't
[26:49] Speaker 7: really tell whether or not they can be radicalized in
[26:52] Speaker 7: that way. There's no pill for it, there's no diagnosis
[26:55] Speaker 7: for it. And I think that's what kind of scares
[26:58] Speaker 7: the folks that are just trying to make things.
[27:00] Speaker 2: Don't you feel that those who are terrified of the different,
[27:04] Speaker 2: or who have been programmed into bigotry the Bible is
[27:08] Speaker 2: a great excuse for them to express what they're really thinking.
[27:12] Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those It's like the independent
[27:15] Speaker 2: Fundamental Baptist Church hate preachers like Stephen Anderson when they
[27:18] Speaker 2: get behind their podiums and say, you know, the government
[27:21] Speaker 2: should round up and execute gay people. Well, it's not
[27:24] Speaker 2: my idea, it's you know, God said it. I'm just
[27:27] Speaker 2: following God's lead trust, not in my own understanding. It's
[27:31] Speaker 2: you know, it's it's their problem. They're the aberrant ones.
[27:34] Speaker 2: And I just think, what a freaking cop out, because
[27:36] Speaker 2: you know, in his mind, he's his heart is just poison.
[27:39] Speaker 2: It's just full of poison, right shottenfreude. By the way,
[27:43] Speaker 2: For those who don't know what the term means, it
[27:45] Speaker 2: means that you experience pleasure in the misfortune of others. Now,
[27:49] Speaker 2: I will say I have been guilty when I see
[27:52] Speaker 2: bad people take it in the teeth, when I see
[27:56] Speaker 2: shit go down and action reaction causes bad agents to
[28:01] Speaker 2: have bad things happen. Okay, Yeah, I feel it. I
[28:05] Speaker 2: feel that rush of endorphin and and joy, and then
[28:09] Speaker 2: I raise a glass and say I'm glad. I'm glad
[28:11] Speaker 2: that you know somebody who was doing terrible things has
[28:14] Speaker 2: had something terrible happen to them. I don't know if
[28:17] Speaker 2: that's even the moral position, man, I mean, do you
[28:19] Speaker 2: ever feel that way?
[28:21] Speaker 7: Sure, it's more on principle. For me, it's like, Okay,
[28:25] Speaker 7: this is somebody who is actively reveling in the harm
[28:28] Speaker 7: of somebody else. And if I see them getting to
[28:31] Speaker 7: come up and it's like, ah, okay, see what goes
[28:33] Speaker 7: around comes around is kind of a rhyme to it.
[28:35] Speaker 7: It feels good even then though I'm not just happy
[28:40] Speaker 7: that they suffered. It's the fact that they got the
[28:43] Speaker 7: suffering due to the stuffering that they caused. Yeah, it's
[28:47] Speaker 7: not just by nature of them being just inherently evil
[28:51] Speaker 7: or inherently wrong, or it's behavior that leads to behavior
[28:55] Speaker 7: that I can understand, but it's far more global globalizing.
[29:00] Speaker 7: I notice. It's like, I don't even care if they
[29:04] Speaker 7: voted for Trump or voted for Harris for decent reasons.
[29:08] Speaker 7: You're just part of the evil club. You're just as
[29:10] Speaker 7: bad as the Pizzagate people. You're as bad as the
[29:13] Speaker 7: peeky torch Nazis. We just kind of it's not everybody,
[29:17] Speaker 7: but like there's a certain I can't quite put a
[29:20] Speaker 7: finger on it, but it just feels like a reveling
[29:23] Speaker 7: in something that's a little bit more than the principle
[29:26] Speaker 7: of the thing.
[29:26] Speaker 2: No, I understand. Yes, there's a pettiness to it and
[29:30] Speaker 2: a cruelty that I have never seen. I was talking
[29:33] Speaker 2: to my MAGA associate two days ago about the cruelty.
[29:37] Speaker 2: You would have thought I had, I had grown a
[29:39] Speaker 2: second head that had no. I'd like, no, No, he's
[29:43] Speaker 2: not cruel just I just think, well, how can you
[29:48] Speaker 2: not see?
[29:49] Speaker 4: Now?
[29:49] Speaker 2: We ask ourselves, do we see Trump experiencing anything that
[29:55] Speaker 2: could be called a healthy manifestation of joy? I say
[29:59] Speaker 2: what you want about Biden or Harris or Obama or
[30:03] Speaker 2: Clinton or Bush or anybody else, right, we could see
[30:06] Speaker 2: the humanity when they would crack a joke and they'd
[30:10] Speaker 2: play with a dog, and they would high five with
[30:13] Speaker 2: people and hang out in a way that was generous.
[30:17] Speaker 2: And with Donald Trump, the only time I see him
[30:21] Speaker 2: happy is when he's masturbating about how great he is,
[30:26] Speaker 2: or when he's being cruel to somebody else. They're stupid,
[30:30] Speaker 2: they're weak, blah blah blah. He's making a joke at
[30:32] Speaker 2: their expense, diminishing them. Cruelty is his currency, man, it's
[30:36] Speaker 2: his oxygen. Do I want to see something horrible happen
[30:40] Speaker 2: to the guy? I'd be lying if I said I didn't.
[30:43] Speaker 2: I'm going to have a champagne glass maid that says
[30:46] Speaker 2: he's dead and I'm going to stick it on my shelf,
[30:48] Speaker 2: and the day I read that obituary, my ass is
[30:51] Speaker 2: having a toast. I'm just literally going to raise a
[30:54] Speaker 2: glass and say this chapter is done. Is that shodenfreude?
[30:59] Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm going to do it now.
[31:02] Speaker 7: Don't do it so I think I'll do that too.
[31:04] Speaker 3: I can't plank you for that.
[31:08] Speaker 2: Hey, let's be kind in a cruel world. Some people
[31:10] Speaker 2: think kindness is weakness, and I don't. I think kindness
[31:13] Speaker 2: is strength. Anybody can tear down, it takes I think,
[31:16] Speaker 2: a lot more effort, and it takes a lot more
[31:19] Speaker 2: heart and hard work to construct and build and grow
[31:23] Speaker 2: and support and make. Anybody can crash things down, but
[31:27] Speaker 2: to rebuild or to build in general, that takes maturity
[31:31] Speaker 2: and depth of character and commitment, and I think that
[31:35] Speaker 2: should be us. And I'm sure you're one of those
[31:37] Speaker 2: guys out. So thanks for calling in.
[31:39] Speaker 7: I appreciate to talk.
[31:40] Speaker 2: All right, see you Lean, Cruelty's always been there, But
[31:45] Speaker 2: he's right, it's a spectator sport. That'd be a way
[31:49] Speaker 2: to say it. Tonight, it's seven on all the major networks.
[31:53] Speaker 2: It's cruel time, and we'll take this group over here,
[31:58] Speaker 2: and we'll be cruel to them for its own sake.
[32:01] Speaker 2: I was watching some Classic Trek, the original series Star Trek.
[32:06] Speaker 2: I bought the remastered series where they went through and
[32:10] Speaker 2: they updated the special effects, but they didn't update them
[32:13] Speaker 2: too much. So when they show the Enterprise orbiting the
[32:17] Speaker 2: planet and flying through space and they show the alien,
[32:20] Speaker 2: I don't know whatever, the entities off in the cosmos.
[32:24] Speaker 2: They still look kitchy and charming in that nineteen sixties way,
[32:28] Speaker 2: but they're updated to make them more palatable. They got
[32:31] Speaker 2: the balance just about perfect, but the rest, all the
[32:34] Speaker 2: interior stuff is the same. And I just watched the
[32:39] Speaker 2: episode the name escapes me. The purists will already know
[32:42] Speaker 2: about when Kirk and Spock and McCoy land on a
[32:46] Speaker 2: planet that had emulated the Roman colisseums and they had
[32:52] Speaker 2: taken the other the rebels, the slaves, etc. They captured
[32:58] Speaker 2: people and they would throw them in an arena with
[33:01] Speaker 2: weapons and make them fight gladiators. But it was televised,
[33:05] Speaker 2: and they had these big TV cameras, and they had music,
[33:08] Speaker 2: and they had applause lines, you know, and knobs that
[33:11] Speaker 2: turned up the booze and the hisses and they did
[33:14] Speaker 2: it for ratings and it was you know, it just
[33:18] Speaker 2: straight up cruel voyeurism. That's what's going on today. Hell
[33:22] Speaker 2: we got the cameras. It's all cruelty theater and it
[33:27] Speaker 2: hurts the heart. Dustin at seven to seven, welcome, thanks
[33:33] Speaker 2: for waiting. Are you there?
[33:34] Speaker 4: Such?
[33:35] Speaker 3: How are you man?
[33:36] Speaker 2: I'm excellent? What's on your mind? There was a.
[33:38] Speaker 3: TNG episode similar to that, wasn't there where somebody fought
[33:42] Speaker 3: to the death. It was what's her name? The blonde girl?
[33:48] Speaker 3: Remember Tasha?
[33:49] Speaker 2: You are the blonde Yeah, I mean the head of
[33:53] Speaker 2: security on the United States. The US is in a
[33:57] Speaker 2: pro Okay, all right, well I don't I don't remember
[33:59] Speaker 2: the episode. When I think of y'all, first of all,
[34:02] Speaker 2: I think of sex with data, and I think that
[34:05] Speaker 2: she was killed by black ooze. That's the only thing
[34:08] Speaker 2: that I can really think about, So so what else?
[34:11] Speaker 3: That's how she was killed?
[34:12] Speaker 2: But uh oh, yeah, she died by oohs. She died
[34:16] Speaker 2: by oohs. And it's a wacky episode. So all right,
[34:20] Speaker 2: go ahead, what else is happening?
[34:22] Speaker 3: I'm not sure how I found you or how I
[34:24] Speaker 3: missed you all these I mean, you've been doing this
[34:26] Speaker 3: a long time, so I missed the algorithms. I've discovered
[34:30] Speaker 3: four horsemen and all these other great Neil Degrass Tyson
[34:33] Speaker 3: and then just recently though, wow, who's this guy. Yeah,
[34:37] Speaker 3: you've got a way of just articulating stuff that I
[34:41] Speaker 3: really have wanted to say.
[34:42] Speaker 4: So go along.
[34:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, there are horsemen, and I'm the guy that's on
[34:47] Speaker 2: the little merry go round in front of the department
[34:49] Speaker 2: store that you put the quarters into. So it's a
[34:51] Speaker 2: very small ceramic horse, but it does it occasionally does
[34:55] Speaker 2: move in a productive direction. But yeah, thanks for the
[34:58] Speaker 2: kind words. Actually yeah, oh okay, porcelain.
[35:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that better. But you know, I went
[35:05] Speaker 3: to an ACE school, so I know exactly what you're
[35:08] Speaker 3: talking about.
[35:09] Speaker 2: Oh, explain ACE or or I can either one of us.
[35:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a mine. Was called Trinity Baptist Academy, and
[35:19] Speaker 3: they used the ACE program, which is a learn at
[35:23] Speaker 3: your own pace and they had us in cubicles, whole
[35:28] Speaker 3: thing with the flags. If you had a question, you
[35:30] Speaker 3: put up the flag.
[35:33] Speaker 2: The Accelerated Christian Education was was a nightmare because they
[35:39] Speaker 2: the questions in those workbooks would be things like why
[35:43] Speaker 2: did God make the trees? Green right did every question
[35:47] Speaker 2: was a leading question where God or Jesus or the
[35:51] Speaker 2: Bible was the right answer. It's intense and doctrination. And
[35:56] Speaker 2: the people who quote unquote graduate and my ACE program,
[36:01] Speaker 2: the instructors, they didn't call them teachers. They called them monitors.
[36:04] Speaker 2: They couldn't call them teachers because there was no accreditation.
[36:07] Speaker 2: And our monitor didn't even have a college degree. So
[36:11] Speaker 2: she was teaching children, but she didn't have any education
[36:16] Speaker 2: with which to teach them, which is really common in
[36:19] Speaker 2: ACE programs. The IBLP culture does the same thing, the
[36:24] Speaker 2: Institute for Basic Life Principles and Gothard's School curriculums, etc.
[36:30] Speaker 2: How'd you finally escape that nightmare?
[36:33] Speaker 3: Well, my parents were fundamental as Christians, and I think
[36:37] Speaker 3: they just thought that the Baptist Academy was going to
[36:40] Speaker 3: be a much better place than public school. But I
[36:44] Speaker 3: was onto this and I remembered a story about a
[36:48] Speaker 3: woman named Johnny Ericson or Joni Ericson. This is a
[36:52] Speaker 3: woman who became paralyzed from the neck down, and her view,
[36:58] Speaker 3: I think was that Jesus did this to her so
[37:01] Speaker 3: that she could witness to people in a special way.
[37:04] Speaker 3: Her story is pretty remarkable she still she did art,
[37:06] Speaker 3: and she still managed somehow to do art with her teeth.
[37:09] Speaker 3: She painted with her teeth. But anyway, I came home
[37:13] Speaker 3: and told them, I says, guess what they're teaching me there?
[37:16] Speaker 3: I said, Oh, what they're teaching me that you know
[37:18] Speaker 3: that God actually does this to people who puts you
[37:21] Speaker 3: in this position. And they they just you know, flat
[37:25] Speaker 3: out like what wow. So they took me out of
[37:29] Speaker 3: the of the a school and put me right back
[37:31] Speaker 3: into the public school.
[37:32] Speaker 2: They yanked me out of Johnny Erickson. There was actually
[37:36] Speaker 2: a movie about her life that she herself starred in.
[37:40] Speaker 2: She I think it was a diving accident and she
[37:43] Speaker 2: snapped her neck and became a quadriplegian. But she was
[37:48] Speaker 2: able to with her mouth. She put a pencil in
[37:50] Speaker 2: her mouth and using only her mouth would do pencil art.
[37:55] Speaker 2: That was stunning. I remarkable talent, remarkable talent. And it
[38:02] Speaker 2: was against that backdrop that all of this was frame
[38:06] Speaker 2: and our weakness. He is strong. God is showing how
[38:09] Speaker 2: great he is. Even though the physical flesh is sometimes
[38:13] Speaker 2: encounters calamity in this fallen world, God is able to
[38:16] Speaker 2: bring beauty out of pain. It was a total game
[38:20] Speaker 2: of twister, but that was the kind of stuff we heard.
[38:22] Speaker 2: It sounds like you and I heard the same story.
[38:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I knew this didn't sit well with my parents,
[38:27] Speaker 3: so I used that, not her story, but something like
[38:31] Speaker 3: that that, you know, they teach that God does this,
[38:34] Speaker 3: you know, or allows these calamities to happen to people
[38:37] Speaker 3: so that they can be some special witness.
[38:40] Speaker 2: Another argument to the Norman Geisler argument is that God
[38:44] Speaker 2: has to have evil in the world or calamity in
[38:47] Speaker 2: the world as a contrast to his great goodness, meaning
[38:50] Speaker 2: we wouldn't understand what God's goodness is if we didn't
[38:53] Speaker 2: have the flip side of the coin. Awfulness and pain
[38:57] Speaker 2: and accidents and murder and you know, quadr pelegic diving circumstances.
[39:02] Speaker 2: All of that stuff has to happen, you know, so
[39:04] Speaker 2: that if we see God's goodness, we would actually have
[39:07] Speaker 2: a point of reference and know what good looks like.
[39:09] Speaker 2: It is just insane what Geisler and his ilk Gip
[39:13] Speaker 2: talked about. Anyway, It sounds like you and I walked
[39:15] Speaker 2: a bunch of the same steps, Dustin. I'm glad you
[39:17] Speaker 2: found the channel, you know. I hope you enjoy the
[39:20] Speaker 2: rest of the content as you browse around.
[39:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, and seeing my parents now that they've adopted more
[39:26] Speaker 3: kids and they're indoctrinating them, it's just really hard to see.
[39:30] Speaker 3: I feel so bad for them because they've they've started
[39:33] Speaker 3: with them from the beginning. They didn't do that with
[39:36] Speaker 3: me until I was eleven or twelve. Prior to that,
[39:40] Speaker 3: they were drinking and smoking pot and playing in bars.
[39:43] Speaker 2: Do they know you're not? Did they know?
[39:48] Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah?
[39:49] Speaker 3: My mom will flat out say to me, right to
[39:51] Speaker 3: my face, so you will bow your knee to God
[39:54] Speaker 3: one day and I remember what you said. It's like
[39:57] Speaker 3: like them saying, just you wait to your day.
[40:00] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[40:01] Speaker 2: I think what was said to me was the atheist
[40:05] Speaker 2: will be ashes under the feet of the believer. It's
[40:08] Speaker 2: almost a direct quote, which is a threat, and it
[40:12] Speaker 2: shows you just and they think they're saying it in
[40:15] Speaker 2: love because this is how you rescue someone. It's almost
[40:18] Speaker 2: a scared straight model one day, right, one day. I'm
[40:22] Speaker 2: sorry this has happened with your family. You doing okay
[40:25] Speaker 2: despite the challenges.
[40:27] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[40:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, I have so much support with you, your channel
[40:31] Speaker 3: and all the other great resources out there. It's tremendous great,
[40:35] Speaker 3: So thank you so much for what you do.
[40:39] Speaker 2: All right, my friend, you and I we busted out.
[40:42] Speaker 2: We left ACE in the rear view mirror where it belongs,
[40:46] Speaker 2: and now we can help blow the whistle for other people.
[40:48] Speaker 2: Appreciate you very much, man, am right. Thanks that see
[40:51] Speaker 2: you later. I did a whole show on ACE with
[40:55] Speaker 2: Jenna Scaramanga. Doctor Jenna Scaramanga is an expert I believe
[41:02] Speaker 2: did her doctoral thesis on ACE and these types of cults.
[41:08] Speaker 2: It's been years, but it is in the archive and
[41:12] Speaker 2: we go through many of the actual lesson plans in
[41:16] Speaker 2: those workbooks. It is a wonder these kids don't just
[41:20] Speaker 2: walk out of the building a graduation day when they're
[41:23] Speaker 2: a senior and just zombie themselves out into the middle
[41:27] Speaker 2: of a highway and get struck by a truck because
[41:29] Speaker 2: they don't know to look both ways. It is not educating.
[41:32] Speaker 2: It is horrifyingly simplistic and wrong headed, and it's superstition,
[41:38] Speaker 2: and it's horrible about women. It has a lesson in
[41:42] Speaker 2: there where it shows this young girl and she's probably
[41:45] Speaker 2: supposed to be ten or eleven. She's looking in a
[41:48] Speaker 2: mirror and she's trying on different outfits and she shows
[41:52] Speaker 2: a little bit of kneecap in one of the illustrations,
[41:56] Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, oh, God would not want me
[41:59] Speaker 2: to show my kneecaps, And so she goes back to
[42:03] Speaker 2: the closet and she changes into something much more proper
[42:07] Speaker 2: so that she will not lead them Acee boys into
[42:10] Speaker 2: lust and carnality. She's fucking eleven. That's a handmade TiAl
[42:22] Speaker 2: shit going on. Just say it still to come. We're
[42:26] Speaker 2: going to talk a little more about creepy Dawn. South
[42:30] Speaker 2: Park is in the news, and we'll take more of
[42:33] Speaker 2: your calls. Hang on. We just had Nano'conna Nashville this
[42:44] Speaker 2: last weekend. Next big conference, second weekend of August, the eighth,
[42:49] Speaker 2: three of the tenth, Sarnia, Ontario. It's about an hour
[42:52] Speaker 2: and a half drive north of Detroit. It's easy to reach.
[42:55] Speaker 2: It's a great event. Details at the Thinkingatheist dot com
[43:00] Speaker 2: slash events. Oh, doctor Sven is calling from overseas. Are
[43:09] Speaker 2: you there?
[43:10] Speaker 4: Oh?
[43:10] Speaker 5: Hello, wonderful to hear your voice. Good evening from Jenna.
[43:15] Speaker 2: Welcome, very nice.
[43:17] Speaker 5: First of all, before we start, apologies, English is not
[43:20] Speaker 5: my first language, so please have patience with me. And
[43:24] Speaker 5: I just wanted to thank you for all you do.
[43:26] Speaker 5: It's just amazing to observe how you and your colleagues
[43:31] Speaker 5: cope with the situation in the States, so big respect
[43:34] Speaker 5: for that.
[43:36] Speaker 2: I don't know how well we're coping. I think most
[43:38] Speaker 2: of us are terrified to read the headlines when we
[43:41] Speaker 2: get up in the morning. We're really here at ground zero,
[43:45] Speaker 2: but we're working hard. Hopefully you in Austria see that
[43:50] Speaker 2: there are millions of people who are part of a resistance.
[43:53] Speaker 2: You don't see. Okay, good.
[43:57] Speaker 5: I've also got several American students, so I'm we all
[44:01] Speaker 5: we all see that absolutely good. One of the reasons
[44:05] Speaker 5: why I was calling it because I think many of
[44:08] Speaker 5: us observing your work, for example, are really worried for
[44:11] Speaker 5: people like you and and you know, people like Mattel
[44:14] Speaker 5: Hunty and others. You know that that you might face
[44:18] Speaker 5: at some point, actual prosecution. You know, it's really dangerous,
[44:22] Speaker 5: isn't it.
[44:24] Speaker 2: I know I'm on the list. I'm what I'm down
[44:27] Speaker 2: on the list, doctor sa Ben. I know that they're
[44:30] Speaker 2: going to come after the immigrants, and then I think
[44:33] Speaker 2: they're going to go after gay marriage. And I know
[44:36] Speaker 2: LGBT people are in general or on the bubble. They've
[44:39] Speaker 2: already gone after trans people, and they're kicking them out
[44:43] Speaker 2: of the armed services and taking away their you know,
[44:46] Speaker 2: their statuses, and revoking their driver's licenses and all that
[44:50] Speaker 2: shit's going on. And I heard Trump make a joke
[44:53] Speaker 2: about atheists from the Oval office the other day. There
[44:55] Speaker 2: aren't any atheists in here, are there? And he's got
[44:58] Speaker 2: this faith committee there, some department of faith that PAULA White,
[45:04] Speaker 2: the Grifter is running. So as an atheist, do I
[45:08] Speaker 2: think at some point I am declared because I'm not
[45:11] Speaker 2: a Christian, therefore I'm an enemy of God. Because I'm
[45:14] Speaker 2: an atheist activist, I'm anti American, therefore I'm tresonist and
[45:18] Speaker 2: should be kicked out. Do I think that day may come?
[45:21] Speaker 2: I don't know. What do you think that I'm I'm
[45:23] Speaker 2: on the bubble here many.
[45:27] Speaker 5: I always wonder I might be overly hysterical. Just for
[45:30] Speaker 5: some background information, I'm a gay German atheist from the
[45:34] Speaker 5: lovely city of Dahau, which you might know from It
[45:37] Speaker 5: was the famous there was a famous concentration camp built
[45:40] Speaker 5: there in nineteen thirty three. Actually, the first Nazi concentration
[45:43] Speaker 5: camp was in my hometown. It was on my way
[45:45] Speaker 5: to school every day to the memorial side. Now, when I,
[45:49] Speaker 5: for example, saw those pictures of alligator Alcatraz, you know,
[45:52] Speaker 5: there's the same at picture with the famous pictures with
[45:55] Speaker 5: Trump standing inside there, and if you replace those metal
[45:59] Speaker 5: things this picture by wooden structures. That's exactly what the
[46:03] Speaker 5: barracks in the concentration co looked like. So I was
[46:06] Speaker 5: very very I'm very concerned about those things. Maybe too concerned.
[46:11] Speaker 2: I don't know the no, no, no, no, I don't think.
[46:14] Speaker 2: I don't think there is such a thing at this
[46:16] Speaker 2: moment as too concerned. They've decided that immigrants are animals,
[46:22] Speaker 2: I mean, and not in the evolutionary sense. They have
[46:25] Speaker 2: dehumanized them.
[46:27] Speaker 5: That's exactly the rhetorics you find in the propaganda of
[46:30] Speaker 5: the nineteen twenties and thirties. You know, if you think
[46:32] Speaker 5: of movies like you Zeus and The Eternal Jew and
[46:36] Speaker 5: those movies for example, you have exactly this propaganda. This
[46:40] Speaker 5: is this wording of vermin and things like that.
[46:42] Speaker 2: So that's not that textbook, as I recalled, the Hitler
[46:47] Speaker 2: of the nineteen thirties had propaganda distributed showing the Jews
[46:51] Speaker 2: as rats or as rodents.
[46:54] Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that was movies like I think in
[46:59] Speaker 5: English called The Eternal Jew. They yeah, we have to
[47:05] Speaker 5: it rings what happens in the States now rings many
[47:08] Speaker 5: bills for me as a as a gay man from Duhall.
[47:12] Speaker 5: You know, I would just like to encourage you to
[47:17] Speaker 5: think about if it's necessary leaving before bad things happen.
[47:23] Speaker 5: Just I think Europe should be honored to have people
[47:26] Speaker 5: like you coming in case.
[47:29] Speaker 2: We've had the conversation. For now we've decided to stay
[47:33] Speaker 2: and fight. For lack of a better word, but do
[47:38] Speaker 2: I wonder if one day I'll be standing on the
[47:40] Speaker 2: street corner with my Cheeto Jesus banner and all of
[47:43] Speaker 2: a sudden the van pulls up. It's not out of
[47:46] Speaker 2: the realm of possibility. I don't know. I don't even
[47:50] Speaker 2: know how moving out of the country works, dual citizenship.
[47:55] Speaker 2: I'm overwhelmed the paperwork, the fields, all of the ligustics. Yeah,
[48:00] Speaker 2: it's just I'm overwhelmed by it.
[48:04] Speaker 5: For this to be honest, I don't know. But I
[48:06] Speaker 5: would just just from observing from outside, I would just
[48:09] Speaker 5: encourage to investigate for possibilities, just in case. You know,
[48:14] Speaker 5: I don't know, I find that movement there's so many
[48:18] Speaker 5: stories of people who left Germany too late in the
[48:20] Speaker 5: nineteen thirty.
[48:22] Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate your concern. Having a plan is always
[48:26] Speaker 2: a good thing. That's good advice, exactly. That's good advice exactly.
[48:30] Speaker 2: May I ask what you teach.
[48:34] Speaker 5: I'm a musicologist, Yes, I'm teaching music history and improvisation
[48:38] Speaker 5: for musicians.
[48:39] Speaker 2: Do you play? Are you a musician yourself?
[48:42] Speaker 5: Yes, I'm a musician myself on the lead player and
[48:47] Speaker 5: floutest wonderful.
[48:49] Speaker 2: What else did you have for me before I move on?
[48:52] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[48:52] Speaker 5: I just wanted to really, to be honest, I just
[48:55] Speaker 5: wanted to talk about those things with you and encourage
[48:57] Speaker 5: you to go on with what you do. It's just
[48:59] Speaker 5: amazing to see me and I really enjoy your humor,
[49:02] Speaker 5: which you have also in this difficult it's a difficult
[49:06] Speaker 5: to say this. One thing I really as as a
[49:09] Speaker 5: European person I found really funny was your observations about
[49:12] Speaker 5: embarrassing bodies. You know, I'm one of those Germans who
[49:17] Speaker 5: has zero zero body shame in comparison to the American
[49:23] Speaker 5: to the American religious landscape relationship people have for their bodies.
[49:30] Speaker 5: So I found that very very funny. But in general,
[49:32] Speaker 5: please keep your humor and do those and keep doing
[49:35] Speaker 5: those things very kind.
[49:37] Speaker 2: Well, thank you for calling. It's an honor to have
[49:40] Speaker 2: you on the show. And we'll speak again. Okay.
[49:43] Speaker 5: Likewise, it's really best wishes for you, you and your
[49:46] Speaker 5: wife and dogs.
[49:48] Speaker 2: Thank you very very much. I'll pass it on. We'll
[49:50] Speaker 2: see you later. For those who missed that discussion, Embarrassing
[49:55] Speaker 2: Bodies is a tabloidy, tabloidy sor right show that airs
[50:01] Speaker 2: originally in the UK where they really show all the
[50:05] Speaker 2: shit that they refuse to show medically in the United States.
[50:09] Speaker 2: So they've got, you know, like i'll call it peniscam, vaginacam, breastcam.
[50:14] Speaker 2: Maybe something is going on medically, and the camera doesn't
[50:17] Speaker 2: blur anything, it doesn't look away. It's not implied. They
[50:21] Speaker 2: go hard. They just right in there and show you
[50:23] Speaker 2: what's going on, which I find refreshing as someone who
[50:26] Speaker 2: was raised in a culture of body shame, cover up,
[50:30] Speaker 2: cover up, cover up. But the tagline of the show
[50:33] Speaker 2: is there is no shame. We are all the same.
[50:35] Speaker 2: And I have found it absolutely fascinating and I've learned
[50:39] Speaker 2: some stuff. Even though it's kind of tabloid. There's another
[50:43] Speaker 2: one that we just started watching before I let you go.
[50:46] Speaker 2: I can't defend this one either. This is so trashy,
[50:52] Speaker 2: and it also originates out of the UK, and it
[50:55] Speaker 2: also shows everything. It's called I think it's called Botched
[51:01] Speaker 2: Up Bodies, where people go in for cheap plastic surgery
[51:08] Speaker 2: and whoever the I mean, they go down to Tijuana
[51:11] Speaker 2: and pay a few hundred bucks, thinking hey, this is
[51:14] Speaker 2: a great deal, and some dude in the back of
[51:18] Speaker 2: a van injects industrial grade construction calking into their cheeks
[51:25] Speaker 2: is filler, and then shit goes wrong and their whole
[51:29] Speaker 2: face disintegrates and they're wondering what happened and wishing they'd
[51:32] Speaker 2: never done it. And then they go to these experts
[51:35] Speaker 2: in the field, I mean, top tier cosmetic surgeons, and
[51:40] Speaker 2: they have the problem finally rectified. So it's all about
[51:45] Speaker 2: relieving their misery and giving them a new lease on life.
[51:47] Speaker 2: But as I'm watching these shows and it's someone goes.
[51:50] Speaker 2: If someone says, hey, come down to this impoverished area
[51:55] Speaker 2: where we don't no one's vetted, we don't have a
[51:57] Speaker 2: medical degree, but we've got a cheap way to get
[52:01] Speaker 2: breast implants. Come on down. Who says, I'm in right.
[52:07] Speaker 2: The second someone says I can do it for you
[52:10] Speaker 2: on the cheap, that's the first red flag. There was
[52:13] Speaker 2: a guy who went in for dental implants because he
[52:17] Speaker 2: didn't like his teeth, or his teeth were broken, or
[52:20] Speaker 2: he had something going on, and he had somebody who
[52:23] Speaker 2: was not a veted endodontist or a dentist or whatever
[52:26] Speaker 2: it had to be to do this procedure put in
[52:30] Speaker 2: anchors into his gums, and they missed the bone. So
[52:36] Speaker 2: for years he's walking around and the teeth in his
[52:39] Speaker 2: mouth they're just moving around all the time. They're the
[52:43] Speaker 2: anchors were not anchored. And Oh, I thought I was
[52:47] Speaker 2: getting a good deal at five hundred bucks. I'm sorry,
[52:51] Speaker 2: an entire new set of teeth five hundred dollars. These
[52:54] Speaker 2: two concepts should not exist in the same sentence, and
[52:57] Speaker 2: if they do, you must run the other way. So
[53:00] Speaker 2: he goes and a high class, highly educated, respected dentist
[53:05] Speaker 2: goes in and says, holy shit, this was a mistake
[53:08] Speaker 2: and pulls out all the bad stuff and then gives
[53:10] Speaker 2: him a new lease on life. Perfect smile, everybody hugs
[53:13] Speaker 2: and he's out the door. That kind of show. It's
[53:16] Speaker 2: called botched up bodies. I'm hooked. Do I have a
[53:21] Speaker 2: fetish for like these hardcore medical shows. I think I
[53:26] Speaker 2: may have a problem. Now this actually ties into something
[53:30] Speaker 2: that I'll talk about for just a second. It involves
[53:34] Speaker 2: plastic surgery and Magaville, the world of Trump and plastic surgery.
[53:40] Speaker 2: But hang on just a second. I know a lot
[53:42] Speaker 2: of folks I have been talking about rightly talking about
[53:45] Speaker 2: Epstein and all of these much more important issues. Did
[53:49] Speaker 2: you see, of course, that Stephen Colbert is out The
[53:52] Speaker 2: Late Show is going to be canceled after he blasted
[53:55] Speaker 2: parent company Paramount for selling out taking a bribe to
[54:00] Speaker 2: this payoff with the Trump administration. It's just spineless. They're complicit,
[54:05] Speaker 2: they're cowards, they're pathetic, and we know it. So then
[54:09] Speaker 2: John Stewart of The Daily Show is saying the same thing,
[54:12] Speaker 2: what the hell's wrong with you people? On his show
[54:15] Speaker 2: eight days ago, nine days ago, he said, you guys
[54:18] Speaker 2: need to sack the fuck up. He just blasted Paramount
[54:25] Speaker 2: and all the law firms that are caving. And the
[54:28] Speaker 2: Washington poster was it the Wall Street Journal? I can't
[54:31] Speaker 2: remember which major newspapers have done settlements with Donald Trump.
[54:36] Speaker 2: They're just laying down. And so John Stewart finishes his
[54:41] Speaker 2: monologue with a church choir and he is singing to
[54:45] Speaker 2: Paramounts and all the other sellouts. The name of the
[54:47] Speaker 2: song is go fuck Yourself. So I'll be curious to
[54:53] Speaker 2: see how long he lasts. Well, I'm sure you've heard
[54:58] Speaker 2: somebody talk about south Park over the past few days.
[55:02] Speaker 2: This is beautiful. No, I don't really watch south Park,
[55:05] Speaker 2: but I am interested in how the artists, the creators,
[55:08] Speaker 2: the content producers out there seem to be leading the
[55:11] Speaker 2: charge when it comes to rebellion, the resistance. South Park
[55:16] Speaker 2: creators Trade Parker and Matt Stone made a deal with Paramount,
[55:21] Speaker 2: the company that is being ridiculed for being weak and
[55:24] Speaker 2: complicit and rolling over. But they made this deal for
[55:27] Speaker 2: streaming on Paramount, lucrative deal, one point five billion dollar deal.
[55:34] Speaker 2: And then they released the episode of south Park called
[55:36] Speaker 2: Sermon on the Mount, and the episode just destroys Donald
[55:44] Speaker 2: Trump and the sellouts. It roasts the media company, law firms, institutions, etc.
[55:51] Speaker 2: Who have caved instead of fighting back. They depict Donald
[55:56] Speaker 2: Trump literally in bed with say ten and there's a
[56:02] Speaker 2: whole conversation about the size or the lack of size
[56:06] Speaker 2: with Donald Trump's penis and animated penis, you can barely
[56:10] Speaker 2: see it. It's like a pixel on the screen. There's
[56:14] Speaker 2: Jesus Christ in the episode, and Jesus Christ is like,
[56:17] Speaker 2: don't provoke Trump. You know, be afraid of Donald Trump.
[56:22] Speaker 2: The town of South Park settles a lawsuit which was
[56:25] Speaker 2: filed by Trump, for three million dollars, and then the
[56:29] Speaker 2: whole town agreed to produce pro Trump content for free.
[56:35] Speaker 2: And then the episode ends with a fake public service
[56:38] Speaker 2: announcement and it says, who walked through the desert for you,
[56:42] Speaker 2: who survived the wilderness and gave the ultimate sacrifice. When
[56:46] Speaker 2: things heat up? Who will deliver us from temptation? Donald
[56:51] Speaker 2: Jay Trump, no matter how hot it gets, He's not
[56:55] Speaker 2: afraid to fight for America with conviction, discipline, and trust
[56:58] Speaker 2: in God. The deserts and then Trump, you know, he's sweating,
[57:04] Speaker 2: and he rips off his clothes and he collapses on
[57:06] Speaker 2: the ground and the camera pans down to a tiny
[57:09] Speaker 2: penis and the penis says, I'm Donald J. Trump and
[57:13] Speaker 2: I approved this message. Okay. The panderers at Paramount just
[57:18] Speaker 2: paid a billion and a half dollars to two guys
[57:21] Speaker 2: who are going to commit themselves fully to roasting paramount
[57:26] Speaker 2: force settling out to Donald J. Trump, And I think
[57:30] Speaker 2: it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It is the artist, it is
[57:36] Speaker 2: the creators. It is going to be the people who are,
[57:40] Speaker 2: I don't know, capable of real creative expression in this
[57:43] Speaker 2: culture that are going to make the difference. Cameraly on
[57:46] Speaker 2: the corporations. I'm not sure we can rely on the courts.
[57:49] Speaker 2: It's certainly not going to be the Congress. I think
[57:52] Speaker 2: it's going to have to be people who know how
[57:54] Speaker 2: to express critical messages in creative and compelling ways. To
[58:00] Speaker 2: come back to cosmetic surgery, this has been something that
[58:04] Speaker 2: is chronicled in major news outlets all around the world,
[58:09] Speaker 2: and I don't mean just the tabloids, I mean major
[58:12] Speaker 2: news publications, and they're talking about a phenomenon called Mara
[58:16] Speaker 2: a Lago Face. Apparently not just at the big Swanks
[58:20] Speaker 2: soarets at Mara a Lago, but throughout Magaville. People are saying,
[58:25] Speaker 2: you know, I like Ivanka's look, So they're going to
[58:29] Speaker 2: a plastic surgeon and they're asking for her brows, her eyes,
[58:32] Speaker 2: her lips, or nose, et cetera. And this is being exaggerated.
[58:38] Speaker 2: There's a whole esthetic going on at Mara a Lago
[58:41] Speaker 2: and beyond where people are overfilling their cheeks and over
[58:45] Speaker 2: widening their eyes, and overfilling their lips, and overstacking their
[58:49] Speaker 2: breasts and overdoing pretty much everything, and then they are photographed.
[58:55] Speaker 2: Those pictures circulate online and the rest of us wonder
[58:59] Speaker 2: if these women just came out of a fifteen round
[59:02] Speaker 2: boxing ring, or we're stung in the face by a
[59:06] Speaker 2: swarm of bees and had a reaction. Right, But it's
[59:09] Speaker 2: a thing. It is a thing, and it's I think
[59:12] Speaker 2: a reflection of the overexaggeration of everything that Donald Trump
[59:16] Speaker 2: says and does. Everything is amplified, everything is hyperbole, and
[59:21] Speaker 2: so now with women and some men, people are over
[59:26] Speaker 2: exaggerating their features and it has become a thing called
[59:31] Speaker 2: Mara Lago face. Just Google image search it. And I
[59:35] Speaker 2: don't think it's body shaming to do this. You know,
[59:38] Speaker 2: if someone wants a nip or a talker, they want
[59:40] Speaker 2: to improve their look for purposes of self esteem or whatever.
[59:43] Speaker 2: I'm all about that, right, improve the packaging if it
[59:46] Speaker 2: makes you happy. I'm talking about people who just go
[59:50] Speaker 2: over the top and become a caricature of themselves. They
[59:54] Speaker 2: look like something drawn in Mad magazine. It's fair to
[59:58] Speaker 2: point at that and say, what the actual hell is
[1:00:02] Speaker 2: going on beyond that in the real world. Go for it.
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: You know, you got a muffin top, you got some rolls,
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: you got a turkey neck, you got moobs, got man boobs.
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: You want to get rid of those. If you have
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: cankles or whatever, right, if you need or want something,
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: knock yourself out. I'm just saying, buyer beware, because you
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: might just leave the plastic surgeon and the only thing
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: missing will be the little inflator on your ass to
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: blow you up. I'm just saying, and that that is
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: where we shall finish today. It's been a joy in
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: the Lord fellowshipping with you, my brethren. I'll see you later.
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