# Forrest Valkai Unfiltered (as if we had a choice)

An episode of [TheThinkingAtheist](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/412308695), 1 Apr 2025, 59 min.

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Science educator Forrest Valkai joined Seth for a spirited chat about science vs. anti-science in this crazy world. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/thethinkingatheist--3270347/support.

## Transcript

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[0:56] Speaker 4: You may already know this, but Forrest Valkind a biologist
[0:59] Speaker 4: and edgic and online activist. He and I sometimes co
[1:04] Speaker 4: host a show on the Line, which is another YouTube channel.
[1:08] Speaker 4: The Line is kind of a network of shows that
[1:11] Speaker 4: was put together by Jimmy Snow and so like two
[1:15] Speaker 4: Sundays a month and I or it's not always us,
[1:18] Speaker 4: but he and I end up paired quite a bit,
[1:21] Speaker 4: and I think it's because people enjoy the chemistry of it.
[1:25] Speaker 4: I am this well, you know me, I am me right.
[1:29] Speaker 4: And then Forrest VALKEI always tell him he's like a
[1:32] Speaker 4: Jack Russell Terrier. He's just this not well, is he manic?
[1:40] Speaker 4: Maybe he's manic, I don't know, but in a good way.
[1:43] Speaker 4: He is wildly animated and profane. And he just literally
[1:48] Speaker 4: crawls through the screen and grabs viewers by the shoulder
[1:52] Speaker 4: and shakes them. So between us, it's kind of a
[1:55] Speaker 4: what you call it, a yin and yang thing. And
[1:58] Speaker 4: we were at a recent conference, the Florida Freethought Event.
[2:02] Speaker 4: I didn't have this interview on the schedule, but Forrest
[2:06] Speaker 4: Valci and I had some time to kill. We found
[2:09] Speaker 4: ourselves waiting on the next thing on the roster. We're
[2:12] Speaker 4: both just sitting at my table and we're talking about stuff,
[2:15] Speaker 4: and I thought I wish I was rolling. I wish
[2:18] Speaker 4: I was recording right now. And ten seconds later has said, Hey, Forest,
[2:24] Speaker 4: you got some time. I got some time. I have
[2:27] Speaker 4: two microphones. Let's do an interview, And before you knew it,
[2:32] Speaker 4: we just did an unprepped impromptu Holy shit, what's he
[2:37] Speaker 4: going to say? Next interview, which is what you are
[2:40] Speaker 4: going to hear this week, and we cover a lot
[2:44] Speaker 4: of stuff. I think you're going to enjoy it. Just
[2:47] Speaker 4: buckle up, you know, buckle your seatbelt, because this conversation.
[2:52] Speaker 3: Was a ride.
[3:00] Speaker 4: Sitting here at the Florida Freethought Conference in Orlando. Forrest
[3:05] Speaker 4: Falkend just finished speaking. You're going to STEM. What is STEM?
[3:09] Speaker 2: Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics. I'm going to the National
[3:12] Speaker 2: STEM Festival next week.
[3:15] Speaker 3: So what is this like exhibits?
[3:17] Speaker 2: And yes, it's a supercharged science fair for kids grades
[3:22] Speaker 2: seven through twelve. And these are like the best scientists
[3:26] Speaker 2: in the country, the best young scientists who are out
[3:29] Speaker 2: here learning the next generation of what is going to
[3:33] Speaker 2: make this world amazing. These are the future doctors, the
[3:37] Speaker 2: future scientists, the future biomedical people, the future physicists, the
[3:41] Speaker 2: future chemists. Like these kids are the best that this
[3:44] Speaker 2: country has to offer. And all they want to do
[3:47] Speaker 2: is go to Washington, d C. And show everybody the
[3:50] Speaker 2: amazing projects they've been working on. They're doing real science
[3:53] Speaker 2: at such a young age, and they have these incredible
[3:55] Speaker 2: projects and they go there to get grants and to
[3:57] Speaker 2: get recognition and to get job opportunity, to teas and scholarships.
[4:01] Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you're lost me at grants? Are they going
[4:04] Speaker 4: to show up in DC? And there's a big banner
[4:06] Speaker 4: that says everything's been defunded, But is that where we are.
[4:10] Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, at the end of the day, we
[4:13] Speaker 2: live in hell. But like maybe like these kids can
[4:17] Speaker 2: like knock some sense into some politicians who visit supposedly,
[4:21] Speaker 2: like a bunch of like congress people's come to this
[4:23] Speaker 2: this type of thing, and they look around and they
[4:26] Speaker 2: see what the the youths are doing in their schools,
[4:29] Speaker 2: and maybe they will be so inspired that like, Okay, well,
[4:31] Speaker 2: these kids are learning how to filter microplastics from water,
[4:34] Speaker 2: and these kids are learning how to do surgery on
[4:37] Speaker 2: a space station, and these kids are learning how to
[4:39] Speaker 2: grow more nutrient rich crops that are gonna save millions
[4:41] Speaker 2: of lives, and maybe for a second they'll be able
[4:44] Speaker 2: to crawl just a little bit outside of their bubble
[4:46] Speaker 2: and be like, oh, none of this is woke, DEI,
[4:49] Speaker 2: none of these It seems like these these students are
[4:52] Speaker 2: actually just brilliant young minds who need some sort of
[4:55] Speaker 2: Dare I say it's equal opportunity in life, only you're
[4:58] Speaker 2: not allowed to say equal anymore, So never mind.
[5:00] Speaker 3: But it's funny.
[5:01] Speaker 4: If I had a science background and ability, this sounds
[5:04] Speaker 4: really shallow and sad. You know what I would want
[5:06] Speaker 4: to do. I would want to make a battle bot.
[5:08] Speaker 4: You ever watch those kids go in there and they
[5:10] Speaker 4: make those things so cool. For those who don't know
[5:12] Speaker 4: what BattleBots are, I think you would probably describe it
[5:15] Speaker 4: better than me on what is.
[5:17] Speaker 2: For those who don't know what battles are, awesome, go
[5:19] Speaker 2: get an education and come back to this video. It's
[5:22] Speaker 2: not my fucking job. Go be cooler. Yeah, it's that
[5:27] Speaker 2: I grew up watching Battle boss Man. They're awesome. They
[5:29] Speaker 2: had like that that a massive arena that looks so
[5:33] Speaker 2: much smaller on TV than it really is. Those things
[5:36] Speaker 2: are huge, and that arena that it looks like just
[5:39] Speaker 2: a little thin glass wool that's like bullet proof, three
[5:42] Speaker 2: foot thick plexiglass. Those things shatter sometimes.
[5:45] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously they've got spinning blades on these
[5:48] Speaker 4: robots that are doing battle by remote control. They've got
[5:50] Speaker 4: the operators right behind the plexiglass. But I'm looking at
[5:54] Speaker 4: some of these blades of death going we're talking decapitation.
[5:58] Speaker 3: If you were in there, those things will fuck you up.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes it more fun.
[6:01] Speaker 4: And of course you got the commentators who are like,
[6:03] Speaker 4: oh my.
[6:04] Speaker 2: God, it's spewing fire into the gearbox of the other thing,
[6:08] Speaker 2: which is currently vomiting acid into it. Just it's it's
[6:12] Speaker 2: every bit as just ridiculous, like sci fi gore as
[6:16] Speaker 2: you can imagine that, And that is the beauty of it,
[6:19] Speaker 2: is that the insanity and the over the top just
[6:23] Speaker 2: weirdness is the point of the game.
[6:25] Speaker 4: But I mean, but I also you see a lot
[6:28] Speaker 4: of MIT types there. I mean, there's some I'm not
[6:31] Speaker 4: trying to justify it sounds like I'm trying to rationalize
[6:34] Speaker 4: fire and hate and pain and death and all, you know,
[6:37] Speaker 4: But there's some amazing science behind the devices.
[6:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're ridiculously well built, and like that's not
[6:44] Speaker 2: only is it a beautiful testament to engineering, but it's
[6:46] Speaker 2: also it is the only ethical combat sport, you know
[6:51] Speaker 2: what I mean? And watch now in thirty years when
[6:54] Speaker 2: AI and the robots have their uprising, and this podcast
[6:58] Speaker 2: is what's going to get us both killed?
[6:59] Speaker 3: Do you think?
[6:59] Speaker 2: So?
[7:00] Speaker 4: I heard somewhere that if you and I say a
[7:04] Speaker 4: specific word which I will omit, but a hot button
[7:07] Speaker 4: word about a specific dictator who killed millions in Germany
[7:11] Speaker 4: in the mid twentieth century, If I say that word,
[7:13] Speaker 4: that now AI is supposed to come by and recognize,
[7:18] Speaker 4: and then what strike me or demonetize me.
[7:20] Speaker 3: Is that happening.
[7:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, you speak to certain genocidal maniacs you use. So
[7:25] Speaker 2: there's this kind of like moderation thing that has been
[7:30] Speaker 2: around for a long time that you can't say words
[7:33] Speaker 2: like kill or rape or murder or anything. And like
[7:36] Speaker 2: that's been the case for a while usually in my experience,
[7:41] Speaker 2: as long as it's editorial or educational, there isn't that
[7:43] Speaker 2: big of a deal. But like, over eighty years worth
[7:46] Speaker 2: of content is uploaded to YouTube every single day, and
[7:48] Speaker 2: so like it's impossible for us to expect humans to
[7:52] Speaker 2: number one, review all of it at all, let alone
[7:54] Speaker 2: do it accurately and effectively. And so yeah, there's a
[7:56] Speaker 2: lot of AI that has used those sorts of things,
[7:58] Speaker 2: and they do scrub for certain words, and sometimes mistakes
[8:01] Speaker 2: are made. It's a hell of a lot better on
[8:03] Speaker 2: YouTube than it is on TikTok, where it is random
[8:06] Speaker 2: at best and final, no matter how stupid it is.
[8:11] Speaker 4: Because I mean on Facebook, I posted something about you know, Hitler,
[8:14] Speaker 4: and I was talking. It was a cautionary tale with
[8:16] Speaker 4: a quote from mind Kanye. I said the word because
[8:19] Speaker 4: by I planted, So I'd said the word and I
[8:22] Speaker 4: had quoted from mine Kant that he was he had
[8:24] Speaker 4: aligned himself with Christianity and he was invoking God because
[8:27] Speaker 4: one of the arguments of the apologetics is that, well,
[8:30] Speaker 4: you know, Hitler was an atheist, which is why he
[8:32] Speaker 4: was a genocidal maniac.
[8:34] Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, allow me to.
[8:35] Speaker 4: Bring you the words other the man himself, right, allow
[8:38] Speaker 4: me to bring you something from his speech. And Facebook
[8:40] Speaker 4: saw the image and a quote, and there was content
[8:45] Speaker 4: strike and a warning and demonetization and you're on hold
[8:48] Speaker 4: for two weeks or.
[8:49] Speaker 3: A month or whatever.
[8:50] Speaker 4: And I'm like, you know, context being king, are these bots?
[8:53] Speaker 4: Is just somebody another foreign land. He's making the decision
[8:57] Speaker 4: that is.
[8:58] Speaker 2: Annoying and frustrating and that really does genuinely suck. And
[9:00] Speaker 2: I understand that happens, and it is ideal considering that
[9:04] Speaker 2: if you had posted it on Twitter, it would have
[9:06] Speaker 2: been boosted and and they would have they would have
[9:09] Speaker 2: encouraged it, but the message wouldn't have been there. They
[9:12] Speaker 2: would have just put the thing out there like hey, everybody,
[9:14] Speaker 2: how great is this?
[9:15] Speaker 3: Right?
[9:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know, it's it is tricky and
[9:19] Speaker 2: and the workaround sucks because like, for what happens a lot,
[9:22] Speaker 2: especially on TikTok. What happens a lot is that people
[9:26] Speaker 2: will find ways instead of saying hitler, they'll say like,
[9:29] Speaker 2: funny mustache man. And instead of saying rape, they'll say grape.
[9:33] Speaker 2: And instead of saying shoot, they'll say pupw and like it.
[9:36] Speaker 2: And these are all ways to avoid being picked up
[9:39] Speaker 2: by the AI. And it works. It does work. But
[9:43] Speaker 2: the flip side of that is that you are talking
[9:46] Speaker 2: about super serious topics with this child language, and it's like,
[9:51] Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to tell you that today my child's
[9:53] Speaker 2: school was pupewed and thirteen people were grapes and and
[9:57] Speaker 2: like all the and I had to and you know,
[9:59] Speaker 2: the had mountains of corn of children on their compute,
[10:03] Speaker 2: and it's like Jesus fucking Christ, I can't I can't
[10:06] Speaker 2: tolerate this discussion. I want to be sad, and you're
[10:09] Speaker 2: making it weird and like, I don't know, there's just
[10:13] Speaker 2: no good way to do it.
[10:15] Speaker 4: As a science educator. You know, I know right now
[10:19] Speaker 4: the war on science is happening at the federal level,
[10:21] Speaker 4: but you're on social media. So what happens when they decide, oh,
[10:26] Speaker 4: now the woke scientist on YouTube.
[10:29] Speaker 3: Are you on Facebook?
[10:30] Speaker 2: No? No, no, thank goodness.
[10:31] Speaker 3: Would you pull the plug for a reason or it.
[10:34] Speaker 2: Sucked the same reason I left? So I left Facebook
[10:37] Speaker 2: before I started doing like social media as a career,
[10:42] Speaker 2: I was just kind of getting into it. I had
[10:45] Speaker 2: tried to use Facebook as a public platform to like
[10:47] Speaker 2: gain some traction a couple of times. I think I
[10:49] Speaker 2: had just started as a content creator, and it just
[10:53] Speaker 2: fucking blew. And it like, no matter what I did,
[10:56] Speaker 2: I was getting the same shitty copycat accounts, and it
[10:59] Speaker 2: looked like and I couldn't get any traction, and the
[11:01] Speaker 2: people there, the toxic environment just was not worth my time.
[11:04] Speaker 2: So I deleted my Facebook. So, by the way, we
[11:06] Speaker 2: listen to this. If you follow me on Facebook, no
[11:07] Speaker 2: you don't, But there are plenty of accounts of me.
[11:11] Speaker 3: Really, there are impersonators.
[11:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[11:13] Speaker 4: I mean that's one of the reasons that I won't
[11:15] Speaker 4: delete my ex account outright, because I think I'm going
[11:18] Speaker 4: to leave it dormant. I'm not going to scroll and
[11:20] Speaker 4: give them the ad exposure. But I if I deleted
[11:24] Speaker 4: another Seth Andrews pops up grabs my photo.
[11:27] Speaker 2: And I did delete my Twitter accounts, and it was
[11:31] Speaker 2: right between when Elon started, when he declared cis gender
[11:36] Speaker 2: was a slur, and when he was retweeting great replacement
[11:39] Speaker 2: theory shit. Somewhere in that range is where I deleted
[11:42] Speaker 2: my Twitter, And funny enough, there are the exact kind
[11:46] Speaker 2: of people you would expect still think that I ran
[11:49] Speaker 2: away from Twitter for being so exposed and humiliated as
[11:54] Speaker 2: this this woke DEI gender science boy.
[11:58] Speaker 4: Go to your echo chamber, yeah, God's.
[12:01] Speaker 2: And it is the same thing with Facebook. It's like,
[12:02] Speaker 2: why'd you leave Facebook? Were You're getting too much pushback?
[12:05] Speaker 2: It's like, dude, my fucking TikTok. I have one point
[12:08] Speaker 2: four million followers on TikTok. I get more ridiculous hate
[12:11] Speaker 2: comments there every day than I have on any other platform.
[12:14] Speaker 2: My Instagram is insane. If I was worried about hate
[12:18] Speaker 2: and pushback, I would have to leave every platform. I
[12:22] Speaker 2: would not have it.
[12:22] Speaker 4: You would be living in a like a hole with
[12:25] Speaker 4: you know, a wooden door on the cover on it.
[12:28] Speaker 2: That's part of it. And it's a lot of like
[12:32] Speaker 2: and you know this, like that, that's part of this job.
[12:34] Speaker 4: Do you read your comments? Why do you do that
[12:39] Speaker 4: to yourself? Like I'll I release something I'll go and
[12:41] Speaker 4: look for a day or two. When you and I
[12:44] Speaker 4: release a show on the line together, I do like
[12:46] Speaker 4: to go back for the next couple of days because,
[12:48] Speaker 4: first of all, if there's something factually wrong, they'll find
[12:51] Speaker 4: it in the first few hours, and I'm like, okay,
[12:53] Speaker 4: that's good to know. And then after that, I'm just curious,
[12:58] Speaker 4: how did we do?
[12:58] Speaker 3: How did it come off?
[12:59] Speaker 4: And then I'm i gonna move on, because if you
[13:02] Speaker 4: get lost in that, you know, swirling Eddie, you will
[13:05] Speaker 4: never get out. But you subject yourself voluntarily to the comments,
[13:10] Speaker 4: not all of them.
[13:10] Speaker 2: Like I don't. I don't do it all day every day,
[13:12] Speaker 2: but I do like it, you know, maybe you know,
[13:14] Speaker 2: once a day or something, if I'm bored, I'll kind
[13:16] Speaker 2: of scroll through, like my most recent shows. I don't
[13:18] Speaker 2: go back too far, but like you know, one or
[13:20] Speaker 2: two of most recent shows, especially if there was a
[13:21] Speaker 2: part of it that I liked and I kind of
[13:22] Speaker 2: want to hear something, or if I put out something
[13:24] Speaker 2: on YouTube or TikTok, like I'm I'm probably perusing the comments,
[13:28] Speaker 2: and I don't respond to a lot of them, but
[13:30] Speaker 2: I peruse them, and like, I do it because number one,
[13:34] Speaker 2: it keeps me honest, Like I like to get the
[13:35] Speaker 2: general vibe of the audience and make sure that they
[13:38] Speaker 2: I know what they're thinking, and then whether or not
[13:40] Speaker 2: I care. Uh and and that's a genuine consideration. Like Okay,
[13:44] Speaker 2: well a lot of people hated this video, but I
[13:46] Speaker 2: was right and I liked it, so I'm gonna do
[13:48] Speaker 2: it again, you know know, or like, okay, people are
[13:51] Speaker 2: saying that this, you know whatever, language could be more clear,
[13:54] Speaker 2: or like people aren't understanding this is the major hang
[13:56] Speaker 2: up that I So I need to get that better
[13:58] Speaker 2: next time. I say, you know, I'm trying to learn.
[13:59] Speaker 2: And but also, yeah, there is there's a lot of
[14:02] Speaker 2: just toxic insanity, and that's fun if you frame it
[14:06] Speaker 2: the right way in your head. It can destroy you
[14:09] Speaker 2: can tear you apart, or it can be really fun.
[14:11] Speaker 2: I've got this one, dude. You can go to my
[14:13] Speaker 2: YouTube channel and just look at literally any of my
[14:16] Speaker 2: videos and look at like the most recent comments, especially
[14:20] Speaker 2: on like reacteria or something. And there's this one dude
[14:24] Speaker 2: named Albert Albert Leebel, I believe, and he just.
[14:28] Speaker 3: Made him famous again.
[14:29] Speaker 2: Oh dude, I don't care. Yeah, Albert is the best
[14:32] Speaker 2: fan I've ever had, seriously, Albert fucking hates my guts,
[14:37] Speaker 2: and I have never spoken to him. I've never deleted
[14:41] Speaker 2: a single comment of his. I never boosts it. But
[14:45] Speaker 2: he comments on almost every single one of my YouTube
[14:49] Speaker 2: videos every single day, multiple times a day. And you think, Okay, well,
[14:53] Speaker 2: he's got a bot, right, he's using a macro. He's
[14:56] Speaker 2: just got some poss No, they're all unique, they're all
[14:58] Speaker 2: unique comments. And sometimes what he'll do is he'll get
[15:01] Speaker 2: into a trend where like he'll have one particular it's
[15:05] Speaker 2: all about evolution. He'll have one particular thing about how
[15:07] Speaker 2: like evolution is impossible because of this thing, and he'll
[15:10] Speaker 2: post that one comment with some variation eight million times,
[15:14] Speaker 2: and then you'll find some other talking point that he
[15:16] Speaker 2: wants to do and he'll jump on that. And then
[15:19] Speaker 2: sometimes he just runs out of ideas and they'll just
[15:21] Speaker 2: post like random science facts, Like he'll just post like
[15:24] Speaker 2: the force of gravity downward is nine point eight one
[15:28] Speaker 2: meters per second square source Encyclopedia Britannic, and like just
[15:32] Speaker 2: weird shit like that. Right now, his big thing is
[15:35] Speaker 2: that the A genome couldn't have formed naturally, And the
[15:40] Speaker 2: way he gets that across is by telling that, uh,
[15:43] Speaker 2: those who don't know, those who do not know what
[15:46] Speaker 2: makes a sequence of DNA suitable for the genome of
[15:48] Speaker 2: the first cell gullibly believe in a biogenesis. That is
[15:53] Speaker 2: the statement that is, do you just pull that up
[15:55] Speaker 2: on your phone? Oh yeah, I've got YouTube studio right here.
[15:57] Speaker 4: Oh I was gonna say it was like, that's remarkable
[15:59] Speaker 4: because you we just went there and you had it
[16:02] Speaker 4: right with you.
[16:03] Speaker 2: So but like you can see, here's this, that's him
[16:06] Speaker 2: that a and there's the next one, and there's the
[16:08] Speaker 2: next one and the next one. And I can scroll
[16:10] Speaker 2: a little bit, and there's another one, and I can
[16:12] Speaker 2: scroll a little bit, and I guarantee I'll find another one.
[16:14] Speaker 2: There's another one.
[16:15] Speaker 4: Right there, like you and I are an is he
[16:17] Speaker 4: in the parking lot right now with a sharp instrument?
[16:20] Speaker 2: And and and like each one of these different things,
[16:23] Speaker 2: nobody is surprised that those who don't know the fucking
[16:26] Speaker 2: predominantly those who don't know it's the whatever, what's another one?
[16:32] Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, those who don't know what
[16:35] Speaker 2: makes it? And he's changing all these to see which
[16:38] Speaker 2: one gets the most attention and starts the most arguments.
[16:40] Speaker 2: And if you go to any of my videos, like
[16:42] Speaker 2: here's a Biologist versus Bigot where I talked about Matt Powell,
[16:46] Speaker 2: and I can go on there, and I can go
[16:48] Speaker 2: to the comments, and I can click on newest first,
[16:50] Speaker 2: and there's Albert, and there's Albert, and there's Albert, and
[16:52] Speaker 2: there's Albert, and there's Albert. There's out and look at
[16:54] Speaker 2: all those purple dots. And he just comments every single day,
[16:59] Speaker 2: several times a day, every video I have, and I
[17:01] Speaker 2: fucking love him. He is adorable because number one, like
[17:07] Speaker 2: what and this shit is? He also reads every other
[17:10] Speaker 2: comment anybody who comments something saying like it's amazing that
[17:14] Speaker 2: science scientists can figure this stuff out, and he'll comment,
[17:17] Speaker 2: they should figure out the requirements of a functional genome
[17:19] Speaker 2: and then to try to like it. And if anyone
[17:21] Speaker 2: comments something hateful towards me, because I have plenty of
[17:24] Speaker 2: other haters, and someone's like, oh, Forest Folky lying about scientific,
[17:27] Speaker 2: he'll comment on there, thank you for your clear and
[17:29] Speaker 2: thoughtful analysis. It's clear that you understand. He reads every
[17:32] Speaker 2: new comment and he comments himself on that. And that
[17:35] Speaker 2: is the most dedicated fan I've ever had in my life.
[17:38] Speaker 2: I got to have. I could not imagine having a
[17:40] Speaker 2: more dedicated fan. That dude boosts my algorithm all day,
[17:44] Speaker 2: every day and puts me in front of so many
[17:46] Speaker 2: more people. I think a big part of my channel
[17:48] Speaker 2: blowing up the way that it has has been Albert
[17:50] Speaker 2: and his dedication. Thank you is Albert. If you're listening,
[17:53] Speaker 2: thank you.
[17:53] Speaker 3: Dude. Here like a silver plaque maid.
[17:56] Speaker 2: I want to send him a gift.
[18:00] Speaker 3: Laser engraved in it.
[18:01] Speaker 2: Dude, go to my website valcylabs dot com. There's a
[18:05] Speaker 2: contact box at the bottom. Send me your address. I
[18:07] Speaker 2: will send you a fruit basket. Albert, You're amazing.
[18:10] Speaker 4: I've noticed something. And this has always been the case.
[18:13] Speaker 4: You can tell what somebody's pet thing is and they'll
[18:17] Speaker 4: drag it into unrelated conversations. So you know, I remember,
[18:21] Speaker 4: we'll be talking about something about evolution and all of
[18:25] Speaker 4: a sudden someone will come in and they'll awkwardly be like, well,
[18:29] Speaker 4: of course, evolution proofs why feminism is a lie and
[18:34] Speaker 4: destructive and an attack on man.
[18:36] Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter, it could be anything. Do
[18:38] Speaker 3: you have people that literally drag in this albatross?
[18:42] Speaker 2: Absolutely? It's usually it's either something over sex and gender,
[18:47] Speaker 2: where it's like I'll be talking about something about like, oh,
[18:50] Speaker 2: here's this really cool thing about abiogenesis. There's a really cool
[18:52] Speaker 2: thing about speciation. There's this really cool thing in archaeology
[18:55] Speaker 2: we discovered. It's like you believe that men can be
[18:58] Speaker 2: pregnant and that's the whole comment, or it'll be feminism
[19:03] Speaker 2: happens a lot. I've got this one dude who's been
[19:05] Speaker 2: blown up like so many of my every channel when
[19:08] Speaker 2: I'm on, in the comments and in the live chat
[19:10] Speaker 2: and everything, is a men's rights activist heart talking about
[19:12] Speaker 2: how disappointing it is that I don't stick up for
[19:14] Speaker 2: like men's rights and men's mental health. And it's like,
[19:17] Speaker 2: you realize your pushy and obnoxious behavior is a big
[19:21] Speaker 2: old part of that right. That's crazy. Intersectionality is a
[19:28] Speaker 2: weird one that people get frustrated with sometimes.
[19:30] Speaker 4: Define it for everybody who's not sure what that is.
[19:32] Speaker 2: Intersectionality is just the understanding that, like the different parts
[19:37] Speaker 2: of a person's identity overlap in unique ways, and so
[19:41] Speaker 2: like I don't just experience the world as a man,
[19:46] Speaker 2: and I don't just experience the world as a white person.
[19:49] Speaker 2: I experience the world as a white man, which is
[19:51] Speaker 2: a very different thing than either one of those things alone.
[19:55] Speaker 2: And so if we're talking about like marginalized groups, so
[19:58] Speaker 2: we're talking about harm, and you're talking about social justice,
[20:00] Speaker 2: whatever it may be. If I'm talking about someone who
[20:03] Speaker 2: is a black trans woman, right, they have black person problems,
[20:09] Speaker 2: they have transperson problems, they have woman problems, and they
[20:12] Speaker 2: have black woman problems, and they have transwoman problems, and
[20:16] Speaker 2: they have black trans problems, and they have black trans
[20:18] Speaker 2: woman problems. And like, all of these different layers layer
[20:22] Speaker 2: up and they stack in every possible permutation of these
[20:27] Speaker 2: different parts of your identity. You'll throw in gay, throw
[20:30] Speaker 2: in political party, whatever you want. Every single part of
[20:33] Speaker 2: a person's identity is its own unique thread, which brings
[20:38] Speaker 2: its own unique perspectives and problems with it and overlaps
[20:42] Speaker 2: in unique ways with every other one of those threads.
[20:44] Speaker 2: And so that's the basic concept of intersectionality. And sorry,
[20:47] Speaker 2: let me.
[20:47] Speaker 3: Jump in before you continue, though.
[20:49] Speaker 4: One of the major criticisms of intersectionality and all of
[20:53] Speaker 4: that is that, well, before you know it, we've partitioned
[20:57] Speaker 4: ourselves into these tiny little tribes where our identi these
[21:00] Speaker 4: are all we are. And the goal is to make
[21:03] Speaker 4: us all one Coca Cola commercial, right, you know, we're
[21:05] Speaker 4: all one human race where we see past color, gender,
[21:08] Speaker 4: et cetera.
[21:09] Speaker 3: That's the argument.
[21:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, I also enjoyed elementary school. Yeah, it was a
[21:13] Speaker 2: lot of fun to say, oh, we're all unique and
[21:15] Speaker 2: we're all together at the same time. It's like, yeah,
[21:18] Speaker 2: you can't have your cake and eat it too. You
[21:19] Speaker 2: can't say, like, everybody is a special, beautiful, perfect snowflake.
[21:23] Speaker 2: And also there's no differences between us at all. Like,
[21:27] Speaker 2: intersectionality doesn't imply that you have to like how should
[21:32] Speaker 2: I say this? It doesn't mean you have to self segregate,
[21:35] Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean that you have to discriminate between
[21:38] Speaker 2: different people, either either you know, cruelly or just like definitionally,
[21:43] Speaker 2: it doesn't mean any of that. It just means you
[21:44] Speaker 2: have to recognize and acknowledge and like celebrate those differences
[21:48] Speaker 2: and try to ameliorate the social circumstances that make those
[21:52] Speaker 2: problems problems in the first place. And so like, if
[21:55] Speaker 2: we didn't have such a major stigma surrounding LGBT people
[21:59] Speaker 2: as a whole, then that section of their intersectionality would
[22:03] Speaker 2: still exist, but it certainly wouldn't be as much of
[22:07] Speaker 2: an albatross as much of a burden upon them as
[22:09] Speaker 2: it is now. And so it's the same thing. You
[22:10] Speaker 2: can like this, somebody's gonna take this way to fuck
[22:13] Speaker 2: out of context and I don't care. Fuck you is.
[22:15] Speaker 2: You can think about it like co morbidity with disease,
[22:17] Speaker 2: you know what I mean, is like, Okay, you have
[22:20] Speaker 2: cancer and you have HIV, Like, okay, well that's going
[22:24] Speaker 2: to present very unique combining problems. That doesn't mean that
[22:28] Speaker 2: you have to go to the special camp for people
[22:31] Speaker 2: like that. It just means that we're going to treat
[22:33] Speaker 2: you differently than we do this other person who has
[22:35] Speaker 2: cancers and diabetes and or this other person who just
[22:38] Speaker 2: has measles, you know what I mean. And if you
[22:40] Speaker 2: have any of those things, they are if you have
[22:42] Speaker 2: a col morbidity, and they're going to layer up in
[22:45] Speaker 2: unique ways that require specialized care. And if we were
[22:49] Speaker 2: able to just cure cancer, then now okay, you still
[22:53] Speaker 2: have it and you're still struggling, you're still suffering, but
[22:55] Speaker 2: we now have a way out of that situation, so
[22:57] Speaker 2: we can now start working on the other situations. So
[23:00] Speaker 2: if we can cure the social disease, of homophobia, of transphobia,
[23:06] Speaker 2: of racism, these diseases that plague our society. If we
[23:09] Speaker 2: can cure one, well then okay, yeah, you're still struggling
[23:12] Speaker 2: if you're in a prejudice society and you're still experiencing
[23:16] Speaker 2: the world in a unique way because you have this
[23:18] Speaker 2: perspective and this history and this this historical trauma that
[23:21] Speaker 2: you're dealing with. That's all still very real. But holy shit,
[23:24] Speaker 2: that's one less thing that is currently troubling you, and
[23:27] Speaker 2: you can now move forward and grow as a person
[23:29] Speaker 2: and you know better and enrich all of our lives
[23:32] Speaker 2: with your presence.
[23:33] Speaker 4: So protest against this are what people bring into your
[23:36] Speaker 4: comments and say.
[23:37] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, god, we were talking about that, weren't we.
[23:40] Speaker 2: Now Yeah yeah, people bring it up like from time
[23:42] Speaker 2: to time where it's like I'll be talking about like
[23:44] Speaker 2: human evolution, I'll be talking about chemistry, I'll be talking
[23:47] Speaker 2: about whatever. It's like, oh, you call yourself a scientist,
[23:49] Speaker 2: but you believe in intersectionality. And it's like, yeah, I
[23:51] Speaker 2: believe that different identities exist and overlap. How is that controversial?
[23:57] Speaker 2: And it's like, this is very clearly just the thing
[23:59] Speaker 2: you heard on Fox News. I got comments. Recently, I
[24:02] Speaker 2: posted a video about a talk I gave it at
[24:04] Speaker 2: to Oklahoma State University such of for Health Sciences, and
[24:08] Speaker 2: the talk was BioMed Beyond Binaries, and it was about
[24:11] Speaker 2: sex and gender as non binary and separate and and
[24:13] Speaker 2: how we can It was research and communication guidelines and
[24:16] Speaker 2: it was not like this big persuasive thing. It was
[24:20] Speaker 2: part of the student research week that I was a
[24:22] Speaker 2: part of as a graduate student there at the time.
[24:26] Speaker 2: And like we I posted this video saying, hey, I
[24:29] Speaker 2: just did this talk and it was pretty cool, and
[24:31] Speaker 2: like the people in there that are like, this is
[24:33] Speaker 2: fucking USAID funding and it's like, what the fuck do
[24:38] Speaker 2: you think that is? And what the fuck do you
[24:40] Speaker 2: think I do? And who are you? And it's like
[24:42] Speaker 2: this is just something you heard. You heard these words
[24:45] Speaker 2: on TV and you were like, ah, yes, I will
[24:48] Speaker 2: now also say these words.
[24:49] Speaker 4: Do you get you're just being religious? I'm I'm, I'm
[24:53] Speaker 4: it's amazing you're skeptical over here. I'm sorry you're so
[24:56] Speaker 4: religious about this issue.
[24:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that all the time with and LGBT
[25:01] Speaker 2: people specifically. Really, oh yeah, evolution is this religion? Because
[25:04] Speaker 2: you need faith to believe that a monkey can give
[25:06] Speaker 2: birth to a person, of course, and like that's that's
[25:09] Speaker 2: that's a big one, or that you know, you talk
[25:12] Speaker 2: about self identification and identity and all these things, but
[25:16] Speaker 2: that's totally subjective, so you're just taking people's words for it.
[25:18] Speaker 2: And it's like so in order evolution is something that
[25:22] Speaker 2: we can watch with our own eyes and also has
[25:24] Speaker 2: like a tremendous amount of evidence that isn't even just
[25:26] Speaker 2: observational like that, that's all in the same direction, so
[25:29] Speaker 2: like quite the opposite of faith. And then also like
[25:32] Speaker 2: if you think the self identification is a problem, then
[25:34] Speaker 2: you have a problem with literally all of social identity
[25:38] Speaker 2: as a whole. Everything about social identity is now a
[25:41] Speaker 2: problem for you. You're just taking it out on trans
[25:43] Speaker 2: people or gay people or whatever because you haven't thought
[25:47] Speaker 2: about what you're saying very much. You just heard a
[25:49] Speaker 2: talking point and you're running with it, just like any
[25:52] Speaker 2: other science denier. That that's the thing that gets me
[25:54] Speaker 2: is like this is the tangent that I'm going off
[25:57] Speaker 2: now bring in my thing is that like transphobes and
[26:01] Speaker 2: homophobes are the same as any they are science deniers.
[26:06] Speaker 2: They're denying the science of like we've seen homosexuality in
[26:09] Speaker 2: like fifteen hundred animal species. We know scientifically the section
[26:11] Speaker 2: gender are different things and not necessarily congruent. This is
[26:14] Speaker 2: stuff that like we have good data on, and the
[26:17] Speaker 2: scientific community as a whole is moving in this direction
[26:20] Speaker 2: and has been for like one hundred fucking years. And
[26:23] Speaker 2: they bring in the exact same talking points. If you
[26:25] Speaker 2: took the context out, you would not be able to
[26:27] Speaker 2: tell the difference between them and a creationist or an
[26:29] Speaker 2: anti vaxxer or a flat earther. Well, the textbooks are
[26:33] Speaker 2: corrupt and they're changing the textbooks because of this cabal
[26:36] Speaker 2: of conspiracy scientists that you can't question the dogma at
[26:40] Speaker 2: higher education. If you question the dogma, then you're kicked
[26:43] Speaker 2: out of your professor's job. And so they have to
[26:45] Speaker 2: teach this stuff. And this is all subjective evidence that
[26:49] Speaker 2: can't be replicated in a lab and therefore it isn't real,
[26:52] Speaker 2: and it's all experimental and it's a social experiment to
[26:55] Speaker 2: try to convince people to go away from God. And
[26:58] Speaker 2: this is all just a part part of their scheme
[27:01] Speaker 2: to try to trick all of us and to maintain
[27:02] Speaker 2: control over all of us. And the text if you
[27:05] Speaker 2: use a textbook from the last sixty years, and it's wrong.
[27:08] Speaker 2: And that's everything that I just said is what flat
[27:10] Speaker 2: earthers telling me, And every bit of it is what
[27:12] Speaker 2: I have heard from a TRANSPHOA for homophobe as well.
[27:14] Speaker 2: Every bit of it is what I've heard from creationist
[27:16] Speaker 2: as well, every bit of it is from an anti
[27:17] Speaker 2: baxxer as well. I'm not joking like every single one
[27:20] Speaker 2: of those things I have heard from all of those people,
[27:23] Speaker 2: because they're all doing the exact same thing, which is
[27:25] Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense to me personally and it goes
[27:28] Speaker 2: against my whatever political religious leanings. Therefore, rather than me
[27:33] Speaker 2: being wrong, it's actually just thousands of scientists around the
[27:38] Speaker 2: world in this massive, multi billion dollar conspiracy, all for
[27:42] Speaker 2: the intent purpose of somebody might use the bathroom, and
[27:47] Speaker 2: I don't just that's what the argument is, and I
[27:49] Speaker 2: don't get it.
[27:51] Speaker 4: More with Forrest Valcai about science, anti science, the country, life,
[27:57] Speaker 4: the universe and everything. We continue next. Thanks so much
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[28:11] Speaker 4: slash Seth Andrews. Your support really does make a difference.
[28:16] Speaker 4: Continuing now, a conversation recorded at the Florida Freethought Conference
[28:21] Speaker 4: in one of the backboard rooms as we had time
[28:24] Speaker 4: to kill myself and biologist and educator Forrest Malchi, you
[28:31] Speaker 4: mentioned Matt Powell.
[28:32] Speaker 2: Who is he?
[28:32] Speaker 4: And what's your If I can resurrect a mid twentieth
[28:34] Speaker 4: century term, what's your beef with matth Powell?
[28:38] Speaker 2: I like thinking, so Matt Powell, and I cannot be true.
[28:43] Speaker 3: Who is Matt Powell?
[28:44] Speaker 2: Matt Powell is a creationist, apologi apologist, and a rampant bigot.
[28:51] Speaker 2: And he's the kind of guy who, like, if you
[28:53] Speaker 2: call him a bigot, he'll make that the entire argument
[28:56] Speaker 2: be like, oh, se, you just hate Christians and you
[28:59] Speaker 2: hate me and ad hominem and then also not an exaggeration,
[29:04] Speaker 2: says that homosexuals should be put to death by the
[29:07] Speaker 2: government because they go against God's law, and like, that's
[29:12] Speaker 2: who this dude is. So yeah, Matt Powell. I don't
[29:15] Speaker 2: know too much about him, and I'm so fucking thankful
[29:18] Speaker 2: for that. But what I do know is that he
[29:23] Speaker 2: makes the fucking funniest videos about evolution and creationism, and
[29:31] Speaker 2: they the only thing that spoils how funny they are
[29:34] Speaker 2: is how serious he is about it. And you remember
[29:36] Speaker 2: how serious he is, and the fact that he actually
[29:39] Speaker 2: just fucking hates, like deeply fundamentally hates LGBT people and
[29:45] Speaker 2: atheists and evolutionists and all these people.
[29:48] Speaker 3: Does he have a following? I mean, is he's got
[29:50] Speaker 3: a demographic out there.
[29:51] Speaker 2: So he's probably he is a preacher at some point.
[29:54] Speaker 4: One of those guys are out there with their kind
[29:56] Speaker 4: of exist in their on microcosm.
[29:58] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[29:58] Speaker 2: Well, he worked with Kent Hoven for a while and
[30:01] Speaker 2: then I think he's split from there. I don't know
[30:03] Speaker 2: what the bad blood situation is with that.
[30:05] Speaker 4: I hope an inmate number one whatever, remember the inmate number,
[30:10] Speaker 4: because of course he is a convicted fallow.
[30:12] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, for tax evasion. I believe it was and
[30:14] Speaker 2: does and you know, like this fucking I just I
[30:19] Speaker 2: that's another one. I did a video about Matt Powell
[30:21] Speaker 2: because he's a piece of shit, and I wanted to
[30:24] Speaker 2: talk about his bad arguments, because people were sending me
[30:26] Speaker 2: his bad arguments, and I wanted to point out, like
[30:29] Speaker 2: I didn't want to commit the genetic fallacy of saying like, Okay,
[30:31] Speaker 2: well this guy sucks and therefore his arguments wrong. So
[30:33] Speaker 2: like I spent the time just saying like, here's why
[30:35] Speaker 2: what this guy says is so fucking stupid. Also, this
[30:39] Speaker 2: dude is genuinely just a massive fucking turd. That is
[30:43] Speaker 2: just the most hateful, evil person you can imagine wrapped
[30:47] Speaker 2: in this fucking like facade of the sweet, innocent Christian
[30:51] Speaker 2: that just I'm just the cheerful youth pastor that wants
[30:54] Speaker 2: you all to get along and wants to save your
[30:56] Speaker 2: souls and also has screamed from i'm a podium that
[31:01] Speaker 2: fucking like gay people should be shot in the back
[31:03] Speaker 2: of the head by the government.
[31:05] Speaker 4: There is an entire culture of those guys who are
[31:08] Speaker 4: with these abundant life whatever church is where they stand
[31:11] Speaker 4: in front of the big mural of a wheat field
[31:13] Speaker 4: and they essentially do Old Testament stuff. You know, God
[31:17] Speaker 4: wants gayed dead. Not my idea. I wouldn't shoot them personally,
[31:21] Speaker 4: but the government would be right to do it.
[31:23] Speaker 3: I say this in love.
[31:25] Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly who this duty is. I'm so
[31:29] Speaker 2: glad you know what I'm talking about, because I don't
[31:30] Speaker 2: have the vocabulary for work. But that is exactly who
[31:33] Speaker 2: this dudy is. And yes, I made a video about Hill.
[31:37] Speaker 2: I haven't made a video about Kent Hoven because I've
[31:38] Speaker 2: been too busy earning legitimate science degrees from accredited learning institutions,
[31:42] Speaker 2: which I understand is something that mister Hovan is not
[31:45] Speaker 2: terribly familiar with. You.
[31:45] Speaker 3: I've seen as university.
[31:46] Speaker 4: It's like a single wide trailer in Colorado. You know,
[31:50] Speaker 4: they probably long hauled it off and thrown it in
[31:52] Speaker 4: a ditch or a harvested it for scrap metal. A
[31:54] Speaker 4: lot of these degree people come out of seminaries. Yeah, yeah, so,
[31:59] Speaker 4: I mean they and I know the Discovery Institute they've
[32:02] Speaker 4: got they go out and harvest these sort of you know,
[32:05] Speaker 4: Stephen Meyer and whatnot. They have PhDs, and I think
[32:09] Speaker 4: many of them have a legitimate degree, but they're not
[32:14] Speaker 4: doing science. I think I said in a speech recently
[32:16] Speaker 4: that you will find them on YouTube, you'll find them
[32:19] Speaker 4: in bookstores, but you won't find them in peer review.
[32:22] Speaker 3: Is that fair? Yeah?
[32:23] Speaker 2: I mean pretty much like the thing you'll find is
[32:25] Speaker 2: like the Discovery Institute and places like that. They will
[32:28] Speaker 2: work very, very very hard to make their publications look
[32:31] Speaker 2: as legitimate as possible, and if you don't read any
[32:34] Speaker 2: of it, you might believe it, and that's their whole goal.
[32:38] Speaker 2: Discovery Institute, by the way, for those who don't know,
[32:41] Speaker 2: is not just a pseudo science drifting organization. They also
[32:44] Speaker 2: have a stated purpose of trying to overthrow the government
[32:48] Speaker 2: and instill theocracy. By the way, in case you didn't
[32:50] Speaker 2: know that.
[32:50] Speaker 4: I didn't know about overthrow the government, I knew that
[32:52] Speaker 4: they were kind of a they put a lipstick on
[32:55] Speaker 4: a pig. As far as creationism or intelligent design.
[32:58] Speaker 2: They want to Seeah, they push intelligence design, which is
[33:01] Speaker 2: creationism in a cheap lab a cheap lab code. They
[33:04] Speaker 2: also in there they have this document of another Foundation
[33:08] Speaker 2: founding documents called the Wedge, where they talk about how
[33:12] Speaker 2: the mission is to put Christian religion into every aspect
[33:18] Speaker 2: of social and political life at every level. Every part
[33:21] Speaker 2: of the government will be a Christian uh theocracy. And
[33:25] Speaker 2: that was put that was leaked, and they denied it
[33:30] Speaker 2: for a minute, and then they published a document that
[33:33] Speaker 2: it was. They published a thing called the Wedge document.
[33:35] Speaker 2: So what in which they said like, yeah, we want
[33:39] Speaker 2: to do theocracy, but look at all the evil atheists
[33:42] Speaker 2: like Hitler. That was the whole thing.
[33:47] Speaker 4: If I crack opened Stephen Meyer, Michael b He you know,
[33:51] Speaker 4: Demski et cetera. If I'm a layperson, there's a lot
[33:55] Speaker 4: of really fancy scientific y dialogue the I mean, hell, I,
[34:01] Speaker 4: if I was a believer, I would have probably thought, yeah, wow,
[34:04] Speaker 4: this sounds like expertise.
[34:06] Speaker 3: I mean, what do every.
[34:08] Speaker 4: People do when they crack open this sort of thick
[34:12] Speaker 4: science language.
[34:13] Speaker 2: That is their business model? Is I have a PhD
[34:16] Speaker 2: in something, don't worry about what?
[34:18] Speaker 3: Uh?
[34:18] Speaker 2: And I'm saying that XYZ thing makes no sense And
[34:21] Speaker 2: I'm a scientist and you can believe me and people
[34:24] Speaker 2: who aren't from it what. It's one of the reasons
[34:26] Speaker 2: why I don't talk about my credentials, like, I don't
[34:29] Speaker 2: hide them by any means, but.
[34:30] Speaker 3: Like, what are your credentials?
[34:31] Speaker 2: By the way, I have undergraduate degrees in scienceification. I
[34:37] Speaker 2: don't hide this like, but like, I have undergraduate degrees
[34:40] Speaker 2: in science education with folks in biology education, general biology,
[34:44] Speaker 2: liberal arts and biology, and integrated biology with an organismic
[34:48] Speaker 2: and evolutionary bioconcentration. Then I have a master's degree in
[34:51] Speaker 2: bioanthropology with a focus on zooarchaeology and research into payeu
[34:56] Speaker 2: ecological reconstruction, and another master's degree in biomedical science with
[35:00] Speaker 2: a focus on human anatomy and verte of paleontology, and
[35:03] Speaker 2: independent research into section gender developed.
[35:05] Speaker 3: See I did that on purpose.
[35:06] Speaker 4: Is this is part of a power dynamic where I
[35:08] Speaker 4: feel like I've controlled you. Now I've made you, I've
[35:11] Speaker 4: made you give credentials.
[35:12] Speaker 2: Well, also, I did just say I have that second
[35:14] Speaker 2: master's when I'm graduating the semester, because I don't know
[35:16] Speaker 2: when this is coming out. But like I just I'm
[35:18] Speaker 2: trying to cover all the bases here. I graduate in May.
[35:20] Speaker 2: I'm I'm in the technicality courses.
[35:22] Speaker 4: But I mean you are, you're well versed and educated
[35:25] Speaker 4: in your fields, fairness, But I don't.
[35:27] Speaker 2: I don't brag about those things and I rarely bring
[35:31] Speaker 2: them up unless it's relevant. Don't publish on my website
[35:33] Speaker 2: anything like, because I don't want people to say Forrest
[35:37] Speaker 2: has this degree so he knows this, because holy fuck man,
[35:41] Speaker 2: anybody can be wrong, and especially when you have these
[35:43] Speaker 2: people where that is their business model. I have a PhD.
[35:45] Speaker 2: And I'm saying, don't believe in evolution, and that is
[35:47] Speaker 2: the entire fucking argument you get a lot of the time,
[35:50] Speaker 2: and when you have people like Michael Beahe or Michael
[35:52] Speaker 2: Bhee's entire argument is I can't fathom how this evolved,
[35:55] Speaker 2: so it didn't. And Stephen Meyer's entire argument is I
[35:58] Speaker 2: can't fuck up computer and make it into a horse,
[36:01] Speaker 2: Therefore evolution didn't happen. And like I'm slight. It's it
[36:05] Speaker 2: is a strong man, but it almost is a short
[36:08] Speaker 2: book and like yeah, and like that's that's the whole thing,
[36:12] Speaker 2: and like so I don't want people to believe me
[36:16] Speaker 2: for the same reason they believe them. I want them
[36:18] Speaker 2: to actually grapple with the evidence of what I'm saying,
[36:21] Speaker 2: and so like that, and that's so much harder to
[36:23] Speaker 2: do on the internet.
[36:25] Speaker 4: Well, you know, doctor Donald Protherow, the world renowned paleontologist
[36:29] Speaker 4: and geologist.
[36:31] Speaker 3: Does that.
[36:32] Speaker 4: Like he's not He says, you know, I'm not a
[36:34] Speaker 4: degree bongerer. I don't walk in and throw the degree
[36:36] Speaker 4: out first. I don't even know if he uses it
[36:38] Speaker 4: on the titles of his books. And he's written thirty
[36:40] Speaker 4: five books over the course of his lifetime, and he
[36:44] Speaker 4: is the top of the top of his field, but
[36:47] Speaker 4: he doesn't feel the need to walk in with a resume.
[36:49] Speaker 4: He walks in and says, here's the evidence.
[36:52] Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and that is exactly what I try to bring.
[36:56] Speaker 2: And I love that mentality because I've had professors like that.
[37:00] Speaker 2: I had a professor dude in my undergrad who literally
[37:04] Speaker 2: for an hour, we had an hour long class, and
[37:07] Speaker 2: you spent the entire time telling us how much smarter
[37:11] Speaker 2: than all of us he was because of all of
[37:12] Speaker 2: his degrees and all the books that he's read. And
[37:14] Speaker 2: at one point he was literally chewing people out for
[37:18] Speaker 2: we had spiral notebooks and mechanical pencils, and he was
[37:22] Speaker 2: literally like haranguing these this group of fucking bachelor's students
[37:28] Speaker 2: just wanted to be biologists. And he's yelling out all
[37:29] Speaker 2: of us about how we need to get proper leather
[37:33] Speaker 2: notebooks and fountain pens and graduate ourselves to adult writing
[37:38] Speaker 2: utensils if we are going to be serious scientists like
[37:40] Speaker 2: he is. And I'm like, are you fucking kid? Is
[37:43] Speaker 2: this really everything you have? This is your whole life?
[37:47] Speaker 4: I have to ask this question. Yeah, you don't have
[37:49] Speaker 4: to answer, but I'm going to ask it. Have you
[37:51] Speaker 4: ever been in a class where you knew a shit
[37:53] Speaker 4: ton more than the professor to ten a class?
[37:55] Speaker 2: Yes?
[37:56] Speaker 3: I have, You've known more?
[37:57] Speaker 2: I had a professor one time in I'm not gonna
[38:00] Speaker 2: say it was, of course, but like it was in
[38:02] Speaker 2: the thing and I was doing that, and this professor
[38:06] Speaker 2: had their PhD was in zoology, I believe, but they
[38:11] Speaker 2: were teaching a class on like is in palaeoecology. It
[38:15] Speaker 2: was rebuilding ancient ecosystems and things, and they fucked up
[38:19] Speaker 2: like what an epiphyte is and they were like just
[38:21] Speaker 2: talking about like like anything that's moss is an epiphyte.
[38:23] Speaker 2: And it's like, no, it fucking isn't. That's not what
[38:25] Speaker 2: that means. And it's like and so we can just
[38:27] Speaker 2: use this this like we can just use pollen analysis
[38:30] Speaker 2: to know stuff about people because Paullen's just plant sperm
[38:33] Speaker 2: and it's like, no, it's fucking not, That's not what
[38:34] Speaker 2: that is at all. What are you talking about? You
[38:36] Speaker 2: you're in this, you were a biologist first, How are
[38:39] Speaker 2: you getting this wrong? And just saying the dumbest, wrongest
[38:42] Speaker 2: shit talking about fucking like all these monkeys that this
[38:45] Speaker 2: person is has you know, discovered and getting just major
[38:49] Speaker 2: fact about these things wrong. And like the main purpose
[38:52] Speaker 2: of the lecture was right, I guess, but like all
[38:55] Speaker 2: these supplementary details were just so wrong and like.
[38:58] Speaker 4: Are you vibrating in your chair this point? Are you
[39:00] Speaker 4: about to spontaneously?
[39:02] Speaker 3: Yes?
[39:03] Speaker 2: I had a genetics professor once that didn't know how
[39:05] Speaker 2: to use a goddamn prect sign. What what? Oh my fuck?
[39:10] Speaker 2: I had this one genetics class in my undergrad where
[39:13] Speaker 2: this dude, oh my glob this dude, I asked him
[39:17] Speaker 2: what a hawks gene was if you don't so for those,
[39:20] Speaker 2: you have different types of genes in your seth, in
[39:23] Speaker 2: your in your your whole shit. You have like like
[39:26] Speaker 2: housekeeping genes, and you have like cell specific genes, and
[39:30] Speaker 2: you have these these developmental genes. And in the developmental
[39:33] Speaker 2: genes there's a group called homeobox genes. And in the
[39:35] Speaker 2: homeobox genes, there's a group called hawks genes. And what
[39:37] Speaker 2: hawks genes basically do is like they tell your body
[39:40] Speaker 2: like what goes where and what it looks like. So
[39:43] Speaker 2: like this is where arm goes and it's an arm,
[39:45] Speaker 2: not a leg. That's what that hawks gene does, right,
[39:49] Speaker 2: And I didn't know anything about it because I was
[39:51] Speaker 2: in very early undergrad and than this genetic score and
[39:53] Speaker 2: I go ask this guy, like, what's a hawks gene
[39:54] Speaker 2: all about I want to know about because that's a
[39:56] Speaker 2: big evolutionary thing for me, and I don't know about that,
[39:58] Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, i'll tell you. Next class,
[40:01] Speaker 2: I'll figure something out. So that's professor for I don't remember.
[40:04] Speaker 2: I'm gonna go check no problem, no big deal, no
[40:06] Speaker 2: big uh. Ask him again next class. Nothing, ask him
[40:09] Speaker 2: the next class, nothing. Stop asking. A week goes by,
[40:11] Speaker 2: asking him again, nothing, and eventually he's just like, ah, yeah,
[40:15] Speaker 2: you think you could just google it and just figure
[40:17] Speaker 2: that out, and like cool. Also in that class, three
[40:21] Speaker 2: different times in lecture he would be talking about something
[40:25] Speaker 2: and someone would interrupt and be like, hey, the textbook
[40:27] Speaker 2: says something completely different, and he'd go, oh yeah, just
[40:31] Speaker 2: whatever the textbook says then, and then you just move on.
[40:33] Speaker 3: Wow.
[40:34] Speaker 2: The third time that happened, I stopped showing up to
[40:36] Speaker 2: that class. I just stopped attending and I started studying
[40:38] Speaker 2: on my own textbook and my grade went up because
[40:42] Speaker 2: he was pulling his tests from a test bank and
[40:45] Speaker 2: not even checking them. And I know that because all
[40:48] Speaker 2: the answers to the first exam were see every single
[40:51] Speaker 2: answer was seen, because he didn't even bother to fucking
[40:53] Speaker 2: rework the test.
[40:54] Speaker 4: Okay for us, hang on, So let's say I'm a
[40:57] Speaker 4: religious apologist, sure, and I'm a hashtag science skeptic. You
[41:02] Speaker 4: just told me that I can't trust the educators in college.
[41:05] Speaker 2: Oh no. The second part of that story is that
[41:06] Speaker 2: all of us complained. He was fired.
[41:09] Speaker 3: So there was a check and a correct shit, there was.
[41:12] Speaker 2: A yeah, checks and balances absolutely, So the students rose
[41:15] Speaker 2: up and we all submitted reviews because you get that's
[41:19] Speaker 2: the thing about college is that you review your professor
[41:22] Speaker 2: at the end of every semester, and they take those seriously.
[41:26] Speaker 2: And we all complain, and some of us went directly
[41:28] Speaker 2: to like the Dina Student Services, and some of wasn't
[41:30] Speaker 2: directly to our department heads. And we were like, hey,
[41:32] Speaker 2: I came here to be a fucking scientist and this
[41:34] Speaker 2: guy isn't. And he was fired immediately. The next semester
[41:37] Speaker 2: we had a new Genis Brook.
[41:38] Speaker 3: I'm going to throw this out.
[41:41] Speaker 4: I have been told by a scientist that scientists are
[41:46] Speaker 4: in the business of trying to prove each other wrong.
[41:49] Speaker 4: And I mean the argument is there's a like a
[41:52] Speaker 4: star chamber of scientists and they all get together and
[41:54] Speaker 4: smoke cigars and cackle. Heaneously about, you know, to lead
[41:58] Speaker 4: the world away from God, about killing God and all
[42:00] Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. And one of the arguments against
[42:02] Speaker 4: it is, well, actually a lot of science get famous
[42:04] Speaker 4: by proving other scientists wrong.
[42:07] Speaker 2: Yeah. True. Yeah, So like one thing, one thing that
[42:10] Speaker 2: was told to me. Okay, So in my first Masters
[42:14] Speaker 2: I was in my thesis, I included a whole section
[42:19] Speaker 2: of people who think I'm wrong, because that's honesty, you know,
[42:24] Speaker 2: And so I included like these papers, like, hey, this
[42:27] Speaker 2: person says that everything I'm doing is not possible. Here's
[42:30] Speaker 2: thirty more papers showing exactly what I'm doing working, and
[42:33] Speaker 2: here's my research showing what you know. And something that
[42:36] Speaker 2: was told to me at that time. This may be
[42:38] Speaker 2: a little bit you know too much, but like what
[42:42] Speaker 2: my advisor told me at the time was, if you
[42:44] Speaker 2: want to get published in a big journal, there are
[42:45] Speaker 2: two ways to do it. Work really fucking hard and
[42:48] Speaker 2: make something really spectacular, or say everybody else is an idiot,
[42:52] Speaker 2: and then you get in there because people want if
[42:55] Speaker 2: you have a valid argument to say the paradigm is wrong,
[42:58] Speaker 2: we want to talk about it. We want that out
[43:01] Speaker 2: there in the world. And so here's this paper that
[43:03] Speaker 2: I'm citing saying in a big journal where this guy says, hey,
[43:07] Speaker 2: the last thirty forty years of paleoecological research doesn't work
[43:13] Speaker 2: because it didn't work for me. We want to talk
[43:15] Speaker 2: about that, and I'm going to include it in my
[43:17] Speaker 2: paper saying here's why this dude messed up. Here's what
[43:21] Speaker 2: I did differently, because that makes science better. And if
[43:25] Speaker 2: that dude was right, fuck yeah, I want to know
[43:28] Speaker 2: and I want to change my mind too. That's supposed
[43:31] Speaker 2: to be the point. And yeah, there's assholes ever rego,
[43:34] Speaker 2: they're scientists, they're bad at this time.
[43:35] Speaker 4: There are probably some egos people who are sort of
[43:37] Speaker 4: pot committed to bad ideas.
[43:39] Speaker 2: Absolutely, there are some egos involved. There are people who
[43:42] Speaker 2: just want to get their work out there and just
[43:43] Speaker 2: want to get their name out there and whatever. But
[43:46] Speaker 2: like the thing that got me into science in the
[43:49] Speaker 2: beginning in the first place, and the thing that I
[43:51] Speaker 2: still love the most about it is those major paradigm
[43:55] Speaker 2: shifts where like, it didn't matter if this was what
[44:00] Speaker 2: was holding up the entire field, somebody came along and
[44:04] Speaker 2: showed you were fucking wrong, And so what's more important
[44:07] Speaker 2: being right? Or being you know, honored is the most
[44:10] Speaker 2: correct person in the world. It's being right, being knowing
[44:13] Speaker 2: the truth is the is the best thing. And so like,
[44:16] Speaker 2: you know, look at like you know, Galen. I'm going
[44:19] Speaker 2: to get the dates wrong on this because I haven't
[44:20] Speaker 2: talked about this in a long time, but like Galen,
[44:24] Speaker 2: was this anatomist way back in like a long time?
[44:30] Speaker 2: Are you This is audio only?
[44:32] Speaker 3: Right? Audio only?
[44:33] Speaker 2: I hold with them.
[44:34] Speaker 4: We'll don't take this out, No, don't hang Oh yeah,
[44:37] Speaker 4: there's this magic phone. I'm sure it'll be the first
[44:39] Speaker 4: thing that pops up on his screen. It's right under Albert.
[44:46] Speaker 2: So Galen was in the second So it's two hundred
[44:50] Speaker 2: and sixteen eighties when this dude died and when, uh,
[44:56] Speaker 2: just really quick, make sure I understand that the times
[44:58] Speaker 2: green fame here. Okay, So I want to get the
[45:02] Speaker 2: dates right. So Galen literally like the early early like
[45:09] Speaker 2: one one hundred something BC. This would be Nope, hold on,
[45:14] Speaker 2: that is that is CE? Pardon me, so one hundred
[45:17] Speaker 2: something CE. This dude is an anatomist and he writes
[45:22] Speaker 2: a textbook about anatomy and surgery and like how to
[45:25] Speaker 2: treat illnesses and things. He's the original fucking biomedical scientist,
[45:30] Speaker 2: and his work on human anatomy and how to treat
[45:35] Speaker 2: you know, these was used until the middle of the
[45:38] Speaker 2: sixteenth century. So in the fifteen hundreds, over a thousand
[45:43] Speaker 2: years later, we're still teaching Galen and what would have
[45:47] Speaker 2: to train new doctors. They would have a human canaver
[45:51] Speaker 2: there and they just pull out random things, and there
[45:53] Speaker 2: was a professor up on a high seat who really
[45:55] Speaker 2: wasn't even looking at like, that's a long that's a liver,
[45:58] Speaker 2: that's a pancreas, and that's all you know to know
[46:00] Speaker 2: about that. Go cut some people up, have fun. And
[46:04] Speaker 2: then in the sixteenth century, Andreas Vesalius dissects a person
[46:09] Speaker 2: and is like, hey, literally everything in this book is wrong,
[46:13] Speaker 2: because it turns out Galen was he didn't fucking get
[46:17] Speaker 2: data from too many humans. He was like, Oh, this
[46:20] Speaker 2: is what a dog's liver looks like, humans are probably
[46:22] Speaker 2: the same. This is what bird lungs look like, humans
[46:25] Speaker 2: are probably the same. And he wrote it the fuck down,
[46:28] Speaker 2: and for over a thousand years scientists believed it and
[46:32] Speaker 2: rocked with it. And then one dude started cutting up
[46:36] Speaker 2: actual human cadavers and was like, oh, shit, this is
[46:39] Speaker 2: all completely different and revolutionize science. So you want to
[46:44] Speaker 2: know what science would look like it was dogmatic, That's
[46:47] Speaker 2: what it looks like. It looks like bleeding someone to
[46:50] Speaker 2: balance their humors, because we believe that the body is
[46:52] Speaker 2: a contingence of like various fluids that have to be
[46:56] Speaker 2: in the right balance, And if you have too much urine,
[46:58] Speaker 2: then your blood gets wrong and you get malaria. And
[47:01] Speaker 2: then you have all of a sudden somebody coming in
[47:03] Speaker 2: questioning this, tearing apart that dogma, and now you have
[47:06] Speaker 2: modern medicine where we're constantly checking things and finding out
[47:10] Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on. The reason why you wear
[47:13] Speaker 2: your wedding ring on your ring finger of your left
[47:16] Speaker 2: hand is because the Romans is Galen and all these
[47:21] Speaker 2: people believed in a thing called the vena amoris. They
[47:24] Speaker 2: believe that there was a single vein that ran all
[47:27] Speaker 2: the way from the fourth finger of the left hand
[47:29] Speaker 2: directly to the heart. And then you have sixteenth century
[47:33] Speaker 2: science where we're learning everything Post sixteenth century, actually fucking
[47:38] Speaker 2: all veins lead directly back to the heart, it turns out.
[47:41] Speaker 2: So you can wear this ring on any appendage.
[47:43] Speaker 4: You like, but whatever, and so I look forward to
[47:46] Speaker 4: explaining that to Natalie when I go home.
[47:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, you have this because of a vein that doesn't exist.
[47:52] Speaker 2: I love you too, and so like, That's like, if
[47:56] Speaker 2: you want to talk about well science is dogma, know
[48:00] Speaker 2: what that actually looks like, and what it looks like
[48:02] Speaker 2: is the horrors of pre fifteen hundreds medicine. What that
[48:08] Speaker 2: looks like is people using You know, this person has
[48:12] Speaker 2: erupted in boils. I'm gonna slap them with some mint
[48:15] Speaker 2: leaves and if that doesn't cure it, then God wants
[48:17] Speaker 2: them to die. That's what fucking dogmatic science looks like.
[48:20] Speaker 2: What actual science looks like is what we see today,
[48:24] Speaker 2: where we are constantly phasing out treatments that have been
[48:27] Speaker 2: used for centuries or decades because we learn something better,
[48:31] Speaker 2: we learn something new, where we are changing our minds
[48:34] Speaker 2: about stuff because we have new evidence, where we are
[48:37] Speaker 2: making humans live longer because we know more shit and
[48:42] Speaker 2: we're willing to get out of the way of our
[48:44] Speaker 2: own egos, get our ego out of the way of
[48:46] Speaker 2: our progress, and actually learn what makes this fucking neat
[48:51] Speaker 2: suit tick and how to make it tick better.
[48:55] Speaker 3: We are not done yet.
[48:56] Speaker 4: Forest Valki has more to say, so we have more
[49:00] Speaker 4: to listen to in just a moment. Continuing here with biologist, educator,
[49:13] Speaker 4: and activist and friend Forrest Valci, I had asked him
[49:17] Speaker 4: about his how do I say this? His use of
[49:21] Speaker 4: colorful language. What did Spock say to Kirk in Star
[49:25] Speaker 4: Trek four? He said colorful metaphors and Kirk was like, oh,
[49:30] Speaker 4: you mean profanity. That's simply the way they talk here.
[49:34] Speaker 4: I wanted to ask Forest about his approach. Is this
[49:39] Speaker 4: how you're going to teach the kids at STEM? I mean,
[49:41] Speaker 4: do you luck with the F bombs and everything? Because
[49:42] Speaker 4: I would I would buy a ticket probably to go
[49:45] Speaker 4: watch that. Do you find yourself like right on the
[49:48] Speaker 4: tip of a holy fucking oh my god.
[49:51] Speaker 2: I think I cursed like four times during my speech
[49:53] Speaker 2: today and I didn't mean to. I just can't get excited.
[49:57] Speaker 3: It's good.
[49:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, you belong on stage. You were such
[50:01] Speaker 4: a good for those who weren't able. And I don't
[50:04] Speaker 4: know what they're gonna do with the videos that I'm
[50:08] Speaker 4: they're shooting for the audience. They get a big screen,
[50:10] Speaker 4: a couple of cameras, but Forrest was given a rousing
[50:14] Speaker 4: standing ovation and I think it's because you're a storyteller
[50:16] Speaker 4: of science, and I think, you know, we throw bullet points,
[50:20] Speaker 4: but it's not going to be those that are going
[50:21] Speaker 4: to change the world. I think we have to get
[50:23] Speaker 4: people like Sagan did and others excited about, you know,
[50:27] Speaker 4: the discovery of the world science being a process, not
[50:29] Speaker 4: a book of facts exactly. So now we have our
[50:32] Speaker 4: FK and everybody else and we're running against the clock.
[50:34] Speaker 4: And I don't want to end on a negative, but
[50:36] Speaker 4: I do want to address because you because you mentioned, oh,
[50:40] Speaker 4: we're gonna throw mint leaves, and I'm like, okay, well
[50:43] Speaker 4: there's our f K junior over there, right, and I'm like,
[50:45] Speaker 4: welcome to the National Institutes of Health pal right.
[50:48] Speaker 3: So it's what's your take.
[50:50] Speaker 2: Well, I I think it's it would be if it so.
[50:53] Speaker 2: I tend to laugh at things because the scariest, most
[50:57] Speaker 2: painful things are things that I laugh at. And that's
[50:59] Speaker 2: just something that's been my way my whole time. So
[51:01] Speaker 2: I don't know, my whole life, I've learned this. So
[51:04] Speaker 2: when I say I find it monumentally funny, I acknowledge it. It
[51:07] Speaker 2: is very scary. I'm very sad, but I find it
[51:09] Speaker 2: monumentally funny that the same people who are bitching about
[51:13] Speaker 2: DEI and hiring unqualified people are supporting this dude who
[51:18] Speaker 2: has zero medical training, zero biology training, zero experience in
[51:25] Speaker 2: the medical field, of biological field, and any no understanding
[51:29] Speaker 2: of any of this. The dude who doesn't know how
[51:31] Speaker 2: to read a scientific paper working for the president who
[51:34] Speaker 2: just fucking doesn't know how to read this fucking idiot
[51:38] Speaker 2: who thinks that black people need different fucking vaccines than
[51:42] Speaker 2: white people.
[51:44] Speaker 3: By the way, COVID was engineered against.
[51:47] Speaker 2: If I have to hear one more fucking like major,
[51:51] Speaker 2: like a nominee for like a major part of our
[51:54] Speaker 2: government throw around the word blacks, I'm gonna lose it.
[51:58] Speaker 3: Really we are we are.
[52:00] Speaker 2: God, I was gonna say we're We're just a couple
[52:03] Speaker 2: months away from somebody actually just dropping a slur. And
[52:06] Speaker 2: then you have Nancy May screaming fucking translurs.
[52:09] Speaker 4: We've got the Ziegile at the inauguration. It's that's where
[52:13] Speaker 4: we are.
[52:13] Speaker 2: Just just fucking crazy.
[52:15] Speaker 3: Uh.
[52:15] Speaker 2: And and by the way, for all the people who
[52:17] Speaker 2: are like, it wasn't a Nazi slop, he literally just
[52:20] Speaker 2: fucking posted Hitler did nothing.
[52:22] Speaker 4: Let's say it wasn't a Nazi. So here's my argument.
[52:24] Speaker 4: Let's say I had accidentally.
[52:28] Speaker 2: Yes, because it's so easy to accidentally do that.
[52:30] Speaker 4: Right, Let's say it, and I had, I was receiving
[52:35] Speaker 4: just outrage and concern and heartbreak and all these marginalized groups.
[52:40] Speaker 3: And uh, the first.
[52:42] Speaker 4: Thing a moral person would do is to come forward
[52:44] Speaker 4: and throw yourself down and say, please forgive me. Yeah,
[52:47] Speaker 4: even even if you said it wasn't my intention, you're
[52:50] Speaker 4: a moral person would want to make that right.
[52:53] Speaker 3: There's none of that now.
[52:54] Speaker 2: No, even if he wanted to be an asshole, he
[52:56] Speaker 2: could have just said, fuck you idiot, it wasn't that, you.
[52:59] Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
[53:00] Speaker 2: But instead he leaned into it. And it's like all
[53:04] Speaker 2: these people who get up in arms and they're like, oh,
[53:06] Speaker 2: you just call everybody you don't like Nazis. But I'm not.
[53:09] Speaker 2: I'm not saying. I'm not saying that every Republican is
[53:12] Speaker 2: a Nazi. I am saying that every Nazi is Republican.
[53:15] Speaker 2: And like that's that's the big things, Like there are
[53:17] Speaker 2: no Democrat Nazis, there aren't any liberal Nazis, there aren't
[53:21] Speaker 2: any leftist Nazis. That's not how anything works when you
[53:25] Speaker 2: look at these people and they're like, I don't support
[53:28] Speaker 2: Nazi us, I like Elon Musk and Donald Trump when
[53:31] Speaker 2: I'm not a Nazi, Okay, but every fucking nazis voting
[53:34] Speaker 2: the same way you are, though, right, Like we can
[53:36] Speaker 2: agree on that that you're voting in line with the KKK.
[53:40] Speaker 2: You can, and you're cool with that. As your your
[53:42] Speaker 2: position was.
[53:42] Speaker 4: That line about Trump, They're like, all right, let's say
[53:44] Speaker 4: Trump wasn't a racists all the racists think he's a racist?
[53:48] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And so it's like, I just don't
[53:51] Speaker 2: have any tolerance for that kind of dismissal. And as
[53:53] Speaker 2: far as RFK Junior is concerned, like you just came
[53:56] Speaker 2: out with that dumbass thing about like if I can't
[53:59] Speaker 2: pronounce this kindical that it's probably not good for you.
[54:01] Speaker 2: Go look up the actual chemical name for fucking anything.
[54:05] Speaker 2: Ask RFK Junior if he thinks we should be exposing
[54:07] Speaker 2: shoulder to dihydrogen monoxide and you know what I mean, Like,
[54:10] Speaker 2: I guarant fucking tea that idiot would would fucking tell
[54:14] Speaker 2: you how dangerous this chemical, this dangerous sounding chemical. You
[54:17] Speaker 2: know they use it in jet fuel.
[54:18] Speaker 4: Now, did you did you read about those Florida radio
[54:21] Speaker 4: hosts who did a prank on April Fools about dihydrogen
[54:25] Speaker 4: monoxide in the water and they're panicking everybody, and I
[54:28] Speaker 4: think they got fined or something. Dihydrogen monoxide is water water, Yeah, yeah, okay,
[54:36] Speaker 4: well hang on.
[54:37] Speaker 2: It's my favorite. There's different words for because that's the
[54:39] Speaker 2: whole thing about chemical names. Like it's dihydronoxide. You can
[54:41] Speaker 2: also call it hydrogen oxide. You can also call it
[54:44] Speaker 2: hydric acid. And if you tell people, I'm gonna go
[54:46] Speaker 2: fucking just throw you in a big vata hydric acid.
[54:49] Speaker 2: Oh they'd lose it, right, But like that's it.
[54:52] Speaker 3: It's awesome.
[54:53] Speaker 4: Okay, we are yeah, we are here in a boardroom
[54:57] Speaker 4: and they are about to start an event that we
[54:59] Speaker 4: need to be out here in just a few minutes.
[55:01] Speaker 3: But I just grab for it. This is what we do. Hey,
[55:03] Speaker 3: Forrest Camire and like that. So what do we do?
[55:09] Speaker 3: Come and give me something proactive?
[55:11] Speaker 4: I'm not looking for pie in the sky, right, I
[55:13] Speaker 4: know it's a shit storm out there, but pro science,
[55:17] Speaker 4: pro humanism, pro reality.
[55:19] Speaker 3: Do you have? Like what would you tell people?
[55:22] Speaker 2: I would tell people the most radical thing because not
[55:26] Speaker 2: everybody has a platform, and not everybody has a lot
[55:28] Speaker 2: of money. But like, the most radical and effective thing
[55:31] Speaker 2: that you can do right now is be like radically
[55:33] Speaker 2: compassionate to your neighbors. Go out and meet the people
[55:35] Speaker 2: who live around you, and make friends with them, and
[55:38] Speaker 2: get to know them and take care of them because
[55:40] Speaker 2: when you need them, not if they you want to
[55:44] Speaker 2: make sure that you've been there for them when they
[55:46] Speaker 2: needed you to, and try to build a community. Because
[55:49] Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is that the people in
[55:53] Speaker 2: power know very well that as long as we have
[55:56] Speaker 2: black hating white, as long as we have straight hating gay,
[56:00] Speaker 2: as long as we have cis hating trans, as long
[56:02] Speaker 2: as we have poor hating even more poor, as long
[56:06] Speaker 2: as we continue to fight this culture war, we won't
[56:10] Speaker 2: be fighting a class war, and we won't be hating
[56:12] Speaker 2: all of us hating the people in power. Where are
[56:15] Speaker 2: the people we should fucking be hating. Because while we
[56:17] Speaker 2: all of us, no matter where you are politically, no
[56:20] Speaker 2: matter where you are religiously, no matter where you are
[56:22] Speaker 2: on just about anything, all of us down here on
[56:25] Speaker 2: the bottom, fighting for scraps, fighting for food, worried about
[56:29] Speaker 2: our bills, worried about our medicine, worried about our family.
[56:32] Speaker 2: All of us are down here in the same boat together,
[56:35] Speaker 2: while the rulers in charge are living on fucking yachts
[56:40] Speaker 2: and wiping their ass with golden toilet paper and telling
[56:43] Speaker 2: every single person who makes fifty thousand dollars a year
[56:46] Speaker 2: that the person who makes twenty thousand dollars a year
[56:49] Speaker 2: is making too much and is trying to take their
[56:50] Speaker 2: rights away while they make more than any average person
[56:54] Speaker 2: makes in a lifetime in less than a day. They
[56:58] Speaker 2: are the real enemy. The actual dangerous minority in this
[57:02] Speaker 2: country is fucking billionaires, those leeches, those scum that take
[57:08] Speaker 2: your freedom and your rights and your security away because
[57:11] Speaker 2: they take your fucking money. You do not get that
[57:14] Speaker 2: much money without exploiting somebody. If you worked every single
[57:18] Speaker 2: day all day, never took a break, worked one hundred
[57:23] Speaker 2: eighty eighty six four hundred seconds a day. You are
[57:26] Speaker 2: dedicated to earning money, and you never spend a dime
[57:29] Speaker 2: of it, it would take you thousands of years to
[57:33] Speaker 2: make what Jeff Bezos and fucking Elon Musk get in
[57:36] Speaker 2: a fucking weekend. It is not fair. It is the
[57:40] Speaker 2: That is the thing that is rigged. That is the
[57:43] Speaker 2: thing that is unfair, that is the thing that is dangerous.
[57:45] Speaker 2: And all they want to do is tell you that
[57:48] Speaker 2: if you have a pitchfork, the torch people are trying
[57:51] Speaker 2: to take your pitchforks away, and the torch people, they
[57:53] Speaker 2: tell the pitchfork people are trying to take your torches away.
[57:55] Speaker 2: And as long as the torches and pitchforks are fighting
[57:57] Speaker 2: each other, none of them are fighting the fucking emperor.
[58:00] Speaker 2: So I think the thing you should do if you
[58:02] Speaker 2: want to be radical and you want to help is
[58:03] Speaker 2: be kind to your neighbors. Show up for them, be
[58:07] Speaker 2: there for them, spread the good news of the fucking constitution,
[58:10] Speaker 2: and let everybody know that they have rights and they
[58:13] Speaker 2: have dignity in this country. And when we all realize
[58:16] Speaker 2: who we actually should be opposed to, I think things
[58:19] Speaker 2: will change very quickly.
[58:20] Speaker 3: Forrest Falcai always a pleasure.
[58:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having met.
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