# HoP 269 - Our Power is Real - The Clash of Church and State

An episode of [History of Philosophy Without Any Gaps](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/396903391), 15 Jan 2017, 19 min.

Audio: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/nzw2ne/HoP_269_-_Our_Power_is_Real_-_The_Clash_of_Church_and_State.mp3

Giles of Rome and Dante on the rival claims of the church and secular rulers.

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