# Paul Murray Live | 30 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 30 Oct 2025, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/fa4e5c68-f0cb-4fb9-945c-b38600badcd0/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

BOM’s new radar crashes as dangerous storms hammer SEQ, the Albanese government slammed for ignoring over 2,000 Senate questions. Plus, the Senate forces Chris Bowen to cough up his secret climate documents. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky in center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Sherry, Come on into the man cave. We've
[0:08] Speaker 1: got all the work to do, including you know, normally,
[0:10] Speaker 1: before we head off to our first break of the evening,
[0:13] Speaker 1: we have a look at the stupid social media videos
[0:15] Speaker 1: that are around tonight at the start of the show,
[0:16] Speaker 1: can I show you just a little preview of one
[0:18] Speaker 1: of them. Imagine if two labor MPs were the same
[0:21] Speaker 1: thing at the same time in Parliament. Oh my goodness,
[0:23] Speaker 1: quick alert to the social media people. They've done us
[0:28] Speaker 1: one year. Well, I've had conversation this evening, a debate
[0:31] Speaker 1: and if you will between a Roscadell National Senator Joe Hildebrand,
[0:34] Speaker 1: our dear friend, and the lovely way we end each
[0:37] Speaker 1: and every week is with our dear friend Colin Flynn.
[0:40] Speaker 1: Great stories that I'm sure you'll be able to remember.
[0:42] Speaker 1: And go off into a wonderful weekend with But first
[0:46] Speaker 1: big storms in Queensland today and nothing surprising about that.
[0:49] Speaker 1: We are inside the storm season. There, of course, was
[0:54] Speaker 1: severe thunderstorms being forecast for the southeast of Queensland this afternoon.
[1:00] Speaker 1: But guess what happened. The Bureau of Mediurologies brand new
[1:04] Speaker 1: radar crashed as Southeast Queensland was being smashed by dangerous thunderstorms.
[1:11] Speaker 1: While the bomb wanted to keep everyone in the dark,
[1:13] Speaker 1: the Qoreier Marl was on it. The Bureau of Mediorologies
[1:16] Speaker 1: new radar crashed as a severe storm lashed Southeast Queensland
[1:20] Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, a mid warnings issued to millions. The new
[1:24] Speaker 1: radar was two hours behind and not updating. The radar
[1:31] Speaker 1: was fixed shortly after two pm. Meanwhile, the radar on
[1:34] Speaker 1: the old bomb website was up to date and displayed
[1:39] Speaker 1: patches of black and red with the most severe storm
[1:42] Speaker 1: activity was now if you'd like to go and have
[1:46] Speaker 1: a look at the old version, because you do not
[1:48] Speaker 1: trust the new version for as long as it will
[1:50] Speaker 1: remain up and have information fed into it. R EG
[1:55] Speaker 1: dot BOM dot gov dot AU, RG dot bomb dot
[2:01] Speaker 1: gov dot AU. Yet another problem where the old site
[2:06] Speaker 1: is better than the new site and they pretend there's
[2:11] Speaker 1: nothing to see here. Can you believe it even after
[2:14] Speaker 1: they've said sorry and that new website costs you four
[2:16] Speaker 1: million dollars fed inc. Now let's talk about Labour's House
[2:22] Speaker 1: of Secrets, otherwise known as Parliament House. Now we have
[2:25] Speaker 1: spoken in great detail, or I should say, don't use
[2:28] Speaker 1: the royal I have spoken about one of the dirty
[2:32] Speaker 1: details of this climate report, which shows surprise, surprise, Bowen's policies,
[2:36] Speaker 1: albos policies, charmers policies, your local labor and peace policies,
[2:39] Speaker 1: will increase power bills. We know that because this report
[2:42] Speaker 1: came out, but as you know, many lines of it
[2:44] Speaker 1: blacked out, blackout, blackedout, blacked out, as if it had
[2:48] Speaker 1: some sort of national secret in it. It does not,
[2:52] Speaker 1: but it is a sign of a government that is
[2:55] Speaker 1: trying to keep more information from the public, in fact,
[2:58] Speaker 1: more than any government in any other time in our history.
[3:03] Speaker 1: This is the government that has laws before the Parliament
[3:07] Speaker 1: to make it even harder to get information, like the
[3:10] Speaker 1: documents that we saw this week. They want to make
[3:13] Speaker 1: it very difficult that anything that touches the cabinet or
[3:18] Speaker 1: potentially a minister's desk, you will not be able to
[3:20] Speaker 1: get any access to. This is also the government when
[3:24] Speaker 1: it comes to Senate estimates. One of the ways that
[3:26] Speaker 1: we do have the opportunity for politicians of non government
[3:29] Speaker 1: parties to ask uncomfortable questions of ministers of which they
[3:32] Speaker 1: must answer by convention and sometimes by law. The same
[3:36] Speaker 1: for bureaucrats. Well, last year this same government was being
[3:43] Speaker 1: accused of putting out a guidebook from the Prime Minister
[3:46] Speaker 1: and Cabinet's Office about how bureaucrats could not answer questions properly,
[3:52] Speaker 1: take everything on notice. And then, of course, as we know,
[3:54] Speaker 1: when questions go unnotice like they were in a couple
[3:57] Speaker 1: of years ago, thousands of them start to build up.
[4:02] Speaker 1: About halfway through the last term, two thousand of them
[4:04] Speaker 1: will take those questions on notice, were still not answered.
[4:08] Speaker 1: That number made it closer to about I think fifteen
[4:11] Speaker 1: thousand before the last federal election. Well, we have hit
[4:16] Speaker 1: a new low in the absurdity of the lenks this
[4:20] Speaker 1: government will go to to not let you know what
[4:23] Speaker 1: is going on.
[4:25] Speaker 2: Now.
[4:26] Speaker 1: As you know, Australia and NARU for many years have
[4:28] Speaker 1: had an arrangement where Australia has given a big chunk
[4:30] Speaker 1: of change to the small Phosphorus island nation in order
[4:34] Speaker 1: for the people who we would like to keep there
[4:36] Speaker 1: because they came here on a boat and there's nothing
[4:39] Speaker 1: wrong with that deal. But unbelievably, according to the ABC
[4:43] Speaker 1: this afternoon, the government has refused to release a translation
[4:48] Speaker 1: of a public interview with a senior official in Naru.
[4:53] Speaker 1: So they're not content censoring what the Australian government is saying.
[4:57] Speaker 1: They are now censoring what we can know about the
[5:00] Speaker 1: Niruan government. The government has refused to release a translation
[5:05] Speaker 1: of a public interview in which Naaru's president discusses the
[5:09] Speaker 1: potential multi billion dollar deal to take members of the
[5:12] Speaker 1: so called nz YQ cohort. Remember, these were the people
[5:16] Speaker 1: who could not be indefinitely detained because doing so would
[5:21] Speaker 1: quote likely damage the relationship between the two countries. Now,
[5:26] Speaker 1: let's be very clear. We are not talking about the
[5:30] Speaker 1: text of the deal. We are talking about an English
[5:35] Speaker 1: translation of an interview that the president of Nauru gave.
[5:42] Speaker 1: How is this something that our government would have any
[5:45] Speaker 1: control over? Well again, let me explain. The ten minute
[5:49] Speaker 1: video interview between the Ruin president and a staffer was
[5:53] Speaker 1: posted to the government's Facebook page on February seventeen. This
[5:57] Speaker 1: was the day after mister Burke first announced the dear
[6:00] Speaker 1: and it remained online as late as Wednesday this week.
[6:05] Speaker 1: It is conducted mostly Innruan, a language which is only
[6:09] Speaker 1: spoken by a few thousand people worldwide, and not readily
[6:12] Speaker 1: available for translation programs. The English caption said this bloke
[6:19] Speaker 1: the President was discussing the new arrangements with Australia on
[6:22] Speaker 1: resettling citizens. Now there's a little more detail that I
[6:27] Speaker 1: want to tell you about here, and again extraordinary. They
[6:31] Speaker 1: will not allow us to see an official translation of
[6:35] Speaker 1: an interview that has been made public that is still
[6:39] Speaker 1: on the internet. Now. In part this is because the
[6:43] Speaker 1: person who was doing some translating was a staff member
[6:48] Speaker 1: who was employed by the Australian government at the time
[6:50] Speaker 1: and was not an accredited translator. The translation has not
[6:54] Speaker 1: been endorsed by the Nuruan government, which did not provide
[6:56] Speaker 1: its own version, So this thing sits in limbo. A
[7:00] Speaker 1: Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade official this week confirmed
[7:03] Speaker 1: the existence of the document in response to a freedom
[7:05] Speaker 1: of information request lodged by the ABC. That's the type
[7:10] Speaker 1: of thing that results in all of those black lines
[7:12] Speaker 1: in a document, something that they want to make even
[7:15] Speaker 1: harder to get with new laws being pushed through the
[7:17] Speaker 1: Parliament by the Prime Minister and his Attorney General, who
[7:20] Speaker 1: remember wanted to censor the Internet last year, but the
[7:23] Speaker 1: Department rejected the request on its release citing exemptions designed
[7:26] Speaker 1: to protect against damage to international relations and contempt of court,
[7:32] Speaker 1: noting that it was subject to a suppression order. Okay,
[7:38] Speaker 1: this is the world that we live in now, where
[7:41] Speaker 1: the government that hides its own documents that you pay
[7:45] Speaker 1: for from the public, that tells its ministers and public
[7:49] Speaker 1: servants how not to answer questions in a process that
[7:53] Speaker 1: they largely ignore, leaving thousands of the questions they promised
[7:57] Speaker 1: to answer later on the backshelf.
[7:59] Speaker 3: A no.
[8:00] Speaker 1: Now, because of the accreditation of a translator, you can't
[8:04] Speaker 1: see what was said by the other half of a
[8:06] Speaker 1: multi billion dollar deal that the majority of Australians do support.
[8:11] Speaker 1: This is wild, but a little silver lining, you see.
[8:16] Speaker 1: The Senate this week actually did its job because the
[8:20] Speaker 1: Senate is not just a place for party political hackery,
[8:23] Speaker 1: although that's mostly what happens. It's not just a place
[8:25] Speaker 1: for Marine FARRICKI to call everyone a racist, and it's
[8:28] Speaker 1: not a place for Lydia Thorpe to make it all
[8:31] Speaker 1: about herself. It is called the House of Review for
[8:34] Speaker 1: a reason. It has the powers, through that Senate estimates process,
[8:39] Speaker 1: to force a government to not hide information and that
[8:44] Speaker 1: very document which we've been talking about all week. The
[8:47] Speaker 1: one with all of those black lines in it became
[8:49] Speaker 1: a flash point because the Senate voted to force Chris
[8:54] Speaker 1: Bowen to give all of the document, no redactions over
[8:59] Speaker 1: by morrow. The Senator's given Climate Change and Energy Minister
[9:04] Speaker 1: Chris Bowen until Friday to release unredacted climate change documents
[9:09] Speaker 1: that he has fought to keep secret for months. The
[9:12] Speaker 1: Senate doing its job is only possible because the Greens,
[9:15] Speaker 1: the cross Bench and the Coalition all got together to
[9:18] Speaker 1: support a motion from the Liberal Senator Dean Smith, who
[9:21] Speaker 1: was seeking to compel mister Bowen to hand over the
[9:23] Speaker 1: unredacted version of the incoming Government's brief prepared for him
[9:27] Speaker 1: by the Department of Climate Change, Energy, Environment and Water. Now,
[9:33] Speaker 1: the Government of course said no, but because everyone else
[9:35] Speaker 1: in the Senate said yes, it was thirty seven to
[9:37] Speaker 1: twenty one. This is the case that the aforementioned Liberal
[9:40] Speaker 1: senator had and he made in the Parliament.
[9:44] Speaker 4: So why is it that the government thinks it needs
[9:46] Speaker 4: to start operating with greater levels of secrecy? Why is
[9:49] Speaker 4: it that the government doesn't think that it can be
[9:52] Speaker 4: as transparent as it thought it could be when it
[9:56] Speaker 4: gave that commitment at the last election. We've had a
[9:58] Speaker 4: very very powerful death demonstration of that just this week
[10:02] Speaker 4: in regards to the government's incoming Government Brief that was
[10:07] Speaker 4: provided to Minister Chris Bowen by the Department of Climate
[10:10] Speaker 4: Change and Energy, where the government relied on the wrong
[10:13] Speaker 4: advice and denied to the Parliament the opportunity for the
[10:18] Speaker 4: Parliament to see the incoming government brief.
[10:20] Speaker 5: It's all on the record. It was a.
[10:22] Speaker 4: Serious Whether it was a conspiracy, we will soon find out.
[10:27] Speaker 1: And as the twenty one people of the Labor Party
[10:30] Speaker 1: that were doing a bit to try to keep the
[10:32] Speaker 1: document hidden, here's one. Can you believe they actually said this.
[10:38] Speaker 6: I do admire the gaul or maybe the memory loss
[10:42] Speaker 6: of those upstanding opposite here talking about integrity. Look, when
[10:46] Speaker 6: it comes to integrity, the Labor government isn't just passing
[10:50] Speaker 6: the test, We're rewriting the syllabus. This government has answered
[10:54] Speaker 6: more questions on notice and produced more documents than any
[10:57] Speaker 6: government in our history.
[10:58] Speaker 5: Nearly the Senate estimate questions.
[11:01] Speaker 6: Double what the Liberals ever faced, and have answered ninety
[11:04] Speaker 6: eight percent of them. Meanwhile, the opposition's own record looks
[11:07] Speaker 6: like a heavily redacted PDF. Lots of black bars and
[11:11] Speaker 6: not much substance.
[11:13] Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. Will those documents be revealed?
[11:17] Speaker 1: It could happen tomorrow. If it does, of course you'll
[11:19] Speaker 1: see it all across our news services. We'll talk about
[11:21] Speaker 1: it on Sunday night. Another reason to join us at
[11:23] Speaker 1: nine o'clock on Sunday night. But the Senate wasn't just
[11:28] Speaker 1: happy with that kick of sand back into the government's face.
[11:33] Speaker 1: They wanted to deal with jobs for the boys, jobs
[11:36] Speaker 1: for mates.
[11:37] Speaker 7: Now.
[11:38] Speaker 1: Remember earlier this week I showed you the Center for
[11:40] Speaker 1: Public Integrity their report, which, among other things, said, a
[11:44] Speaker 1: massive problem for this government is cronyism. The ob and
[11:47] Speaker 1: easy government has made a little process progress on one
[11:51] Speaker 1: of Australia's most pressing integrity reforms, ending the culture of
[11:55] Speaker 1: jobs for mates. Why is this part of the story
[12:00] Speaker 1: because in February of two thoy and twenty three, this
[12:07] Speaker 1: lady was hired by the Federal government two investigate jobs
[12:12] Speaker 1: for Mates. The headlines at the time read Federal Government
[12:16] Speaker 1: announces review of public sector board appointments to stamp out
[12:20] Speaker 1: jobs for Mates culture. I repeat this was done in
[12:24] Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty three. It is now October. We
[12:29] Speaker 1: are on the verge of November twenty twenty five and
[12:33] Speaker 1: that report has never seen the light of day. Jeez,
[12:38] Speaker 1: I wonder why, like a broken clock, everyone can be
[12:42] Speaker 1: right a couple of times a day, or at least
[12:44] Speaker 1: a couple of times a year. In this case, David
[12:46] Speaker 1: Pocock is right.
[12:49] Speaker 8: In Senate Payment's motion wouldn't be necessary if the government
[12:52] Speaker 8: just complied with Senate orders. Currently the Senate is ordering
[12:56] Speaker 8: documents and what we get back are no documents at
[12:59] Speaker 8: all or just blacked out pages. The government's use of
[13:03] Speaker 8: PII claims has been on the rise.
[13:08] Speaker 1: So what was the government's response to this? It was
[13:12] Speaker 1: to threaten members of the opposition, all minor parties with
[13:18] Speaker 1: their capacity to be able to ask further questions at
[13:22] Speaker 1: things like Senate estimates. Now while they may be focused
[13:26] Speaker 1: on the performing for the camera's nature of minty necklaces
[13:30] Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. Question time was about
[13:32] Speaker 1: three hours today because everyone but the government was trying
[13:36] Speaker 1: to make life difficult for the government. But have a
[13:39] Speaker 1: look at this. The Coalition Greens and Crossbens united in
[13:43] Speaker 1: a Senate vote on Wednesday afternoon to allow themselves to
[13:46] Speaker 1: ask five extra questions of the government during question time
[13:49] Speaker 1: every day until the government releases the report. That's why
[13:52] Speaker 1: question time normally goes for an hour went for three
[13:54] Speaker 1: and a half hours today. Now pay attention. Does this
[13:57] Speaker 1: sound like a open, fair, or transparent government. In retaliation,
[14:03] Speaker 1: the government threatened to strip coalition MPs of their deputy
[14:06] Speaker 1: chair positions on committees in the House of Representatives where
[14:11] Speaker 1: the government has a majority if the move was not reversed.
[14:14] Speaker 1: According to several sources, not permitted to speak publicly. Now,
[14:19] Speaker 1: this is big. Why is it big? Because if you
[14:23] Speaker 1: are the chair of a committee, you can help decide
[14:26] Speaker 1: what the committee has a look at. That generally speaking,
[14:29] Speaker 1: will be held by the government of the day, so
[14:32] Speaker 1: they control process. The next best option is to be
[14:36] Speaker 1: a deputy chair of one of these committees because you
[14:39] Speaker 1: have a little more power, a little more leeway, a
[14:43] Speaker 1: little more ability to ask questions. Now, while this was
[14:46] Speaker 1: focused on the House, imagine if that played out in
[14:49] Speaker 1: Senate Estimates where despite the fact that the Senate estimates
[14:53] Speaker 1: process is already one that the government is contemptuous of
[14:57] Speaker 1: because it doesn't answer questions on notice, because it gives
[15:00] Speaker 1: advice to politicians and public servants how not to answer.
[15:05] Speaker 1: This is one of the very few ways you can
[15:07] Speaker 1: get some sort of information out of this very secretive government.
[15:12] Speaker 1: Remember James Patterson and the questions that he was asking
[15:15] Speaker 1: so successfully about the ISIS brides. Well, what a surprise
[15:19] Speaker 1: each way. Albow, who promises transparency, has brought nothing but
[15:23] Speaker 1: darkness to the process. I don't care what this opposition
[15:28] Speaker 1: did when it was in government. Their absolute position now
[15:31] Speaker 1: should be maximum integrity. Should be trying to pass as
[15:35] Speaker 1: many rules, laws or conventions that forced the government's hand.
[15:40] Speaker 1: And yes, at some point into the future those same
[15:43] Speaker 1: rules will force their hand or good because I'm not
[15:46] Speaker 1: a mushroom. You're not a mushroom. We do not live
[15:48] Speaker 1: in the dark, and we are not fed the same
[15:51] Speaker 1: diet to New South Wales now. And there was a
[15:56] Speaker 1: violent prison assault which took place recently. You can see
[15:59] Speaker 1: not one, but four separate guards. Of course this footage
[16:02] Speaker 1: is disturbing. It is exclusive to Channel nine, but you
[16:06] Speaker 1: can see what we all can see, which is an
[16:09] Speaker 1: obvious assault. When more officers come to settle the situation,
[16:15] Speaker 1: guess what, the assault continues, but this time it spreads
[16:18] Speaker 1: to multiple people. Well, today the brave men and women
[16:24] Speaker 1: who are the corrective services guards. The prison officers of
[16:29] Speaker 1: New South Wales decided bugger this because of what happened
[16:33] Speaker 1: in a court. The prisoner, Cameron Walsh, was given a
[16:37] Speaker 1: community corrections order when he was sentenced at Cesnot Local
[16:41] Speaker 1: Court on Wednesday for assaulting four prison officers. He inflicted
[16:49] Speaker 1: actual bodily harm. The court also ordered well should participate
[16:56] Speaker 1: in a program, treatment, intervention or related activity. Can we
[17:00] Speaker 1: show the footage again again? Channel nine their exclusive footage
[17:04] Speaker 1: somehow obtained from the CCTV of the yard. Now you
[17:09] Speaker 1: can see the guard is where the guard was, You
[17:11] Speaker 1: can see the prisoner is where the prisoner was. You
[17:14] Speaker 1: can see who they've moved closer to whom. You can
[17:17] Speaker 1: see what happened when the officers were further assaulted while
[17:21] Speaker 1: trying to calm the situation down. This bloke was given
[17:26] Speaker 1: a community service order essentially by a local court. Unsurprisingly,
[17:33] Speaker 1: the outrage as a result of the system not protecting
[17:36] Speaker 1: the people who are there to control our prisons meant
[17:41] Speaker 1: that they walked off the job. That every prisoner in
[17:43] Speaker 1: the state was left in their cell. There was no
[17:47] Speaker 1: transportation of prisoners to courts, so the whole system. Well,
[17:51] Speaker 1: it grind it ground to a halt and good. I
[17:55] Speaker 1: fully support the men and women who do this really
[17:57] Speaker 1: difficult job. The idea that we have courts amongst us
[18:00] Speaker 1: who don't is extraordinary. They apparently have been ordered to
[18:05] Speaker 1: go back to work by industrial commissions, but their representatives
[18:09] Speaker 1: are saying this tonight.
[18:12] Speaker 7: Our members are work in correctional centers, perform a difficult
[18:16] Speaker 7: and dangerous job. They are not punching bags. They deserve
[18:19] Speaker 7: their respect from the magistrates because they are a critical
[18:23] Speaker 7: part of the criminal justice system.
[18:26] Speaker 1: Blood d Oath. Recently we were met by a bunch
[18:31] Speaker 1: of corrective services officers who came to one of our
[18:33] Speaker 1: town shows, and I really appreciate the work that they do. Again,
[18:38] Speaker 1: anyone in any of these positions, or the police, or
[18:41] Speaker 1: the fieries or the ambos, even the volunteers in the sees,
[18:44] Speaker 1: the people who run towards danger or try to keep
[18:48] Speaker 1: other people away from it, they deserve our support. The
[18:51] Speaker 1: lack of it that's on show here more strength to
[18:54] Speaker 1: their arm unbelievable, unbelievable. Now I think the Northern terror
[19:00] Speaker 1: chieved Minister Leofanuccio is a rock star. I have said
[19:02] Speaker 1: that she is an absolute example about somebody who can
[19:06] Speaker 1: see black and white, who doesn't get lost in the
[19:08] Speaker 1: nonsense of things. She is an excellent leader of our
[19:11] Speaker 1: wonderful Northern Territory. She deserved her massive win at the
[19:15] Speaker 1: last territory election, and she's getting on with business. But
[19:18] Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we also like about her is
[19:21] Speaker 1: there's no mystery about where she stands when it comes
[19:24] Speaker 1: to idiot protesters who try to get in the way
[19:27] Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory getting involved in the minerals that
[19:32] Speaker 1: need to be dug up, the tax that's paid, or
[19:35] Speaker 1: gas exploration.
[19:36] Speaker 9: She says this, and the activist standing out of the front,
[19:41] Speaker 9: you are wasting your time. Go back to Victoria or
[19:46] Speaker 9: wherever else do you want to cause trouble, But you
[19:48] Speaker 9: are not welcome here.
[19:50] Speaker 1: When women are assaulted in the Northern Territory, don't wait
[19:54] Speaker 1: to see if the police get to roll through the CCTV. No,
[19:57] Speaker 1: give them the ability to defend them so elves if
[20:01] Speaker 1: they consider it necessary.
[20:03] Speaker 9: Law abiding territorians over the age of eighteen years will
[20:07] Speaker 9: be able to legally purchase OC spray for personal use
[20:12] Speaker 9: to self defend themselves against perpetrators.
[20:16] Speaker 1: And She's as clearer as a bell about who should
[20:18] Speaker 1: be in male and who should be in female prisons
[20:22] Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory.
[20:23] Speaker 9: If you're a bloat, you go to a men's prison.
[20:26] Speaker 9: If you're a woman, you go to women's prison.
[20:29] Speaker 1: Well, she sat down with another hero of the Northern Territory,
[20:32] Speaker 1: how do you make Matt Cunningham, where back and forth
[20:35] Speaker 1: conversations were being had, including about the nonsense that we've
[20:38] Speaker 1: seen out of Victoria this week, where in certain occasions
[20:41] Speaker 1: Indigenous people are given priority treatment in hospitals. So what
[20:46] Speaker 1: is the person who leads the Northern Territory with the
[20:49] Speaker 1: most significant of the Indigenous populations in this country, with
[20:53] Speaker 1: World Heritage sites because of their connection to country, What
[20:58] Speaker 1: does she say about what Victoria is doing.
[21:01] Speaker 9: When you rock up at d or a hospital, you
[21:03] Speaker 9: should be treated on the basis of your medical needs
[21:06] Speaker 9: and medical needs only. This is not about race or
[21:09] Speaker 9: the color of someone's skin.
[21:10] Speaker 5: This is about health.
[21:13] Speaker 1: Leah Fanookiaio, she's fantastic. Now, She's got a lot of
[21:17] Speaker 1: things to do in the Northern Territory when she cleans
[21:18] Speaker 1: it up. May someone somewhere find a way to bring
[21:21] Speaker 1: her to camera and I'm talking about via the Lower House.
[21:24] Speaker 1: Get her up there in the fight, because no doubt
[21:28] Speaker 1: all of the usual lefties will somehow turn their metaphorical
[21:31] Speaker 1: guns upon her. Well, no, we've got a backer in.
[21:34] Speaker 1: She is doing good things for good, decent people of
[21:38] Speaker 1: all political racial, traditional extractions, new visitors, and people that
[21:43] Speaker 1: have been there forever in the Northern territory. Well done, Leah,
[21:46] Speaker 1: Well done. We will celebrate you from the man Cave
[21:48] Speaker 1: as often as we possibly can. Today. Finally, our meeting
[21:51] Speaker 1: between the presidents of the United States and China. Big
[21:54] Speaker 1: deal right, Well, interestingly it seems to have been a
[21:57] Speaker 1: relatively positive one. Of course, the President says best deals lever,
[22:00] Speaker 1: when the details of it, well, we kind of have
[22:02] Speaker 1: to get to those. The closest to it is the
[22:04] Speaker 1: man who was just outside the door. He hopefully had
[22:07] Speaker 1: a glass turned up and he was trying to listen in.
[22:09] Speaker 1: He's across everything. Our mate, KG, if all.
[22:13] Speaker 10: Of this is secured, it is you've got to say
[22:16] Speaker 10: a big deal and Donald Trump and she jimping would
[22:20] Speaker 10: be very pleased with it. Let's have a look the
[22:21] Speaker 10: rare earth deal has been made. Trump and She to
[22:25] Speaker 10: work on Ukraine together. Trump to visit China in April.
[22:30] Speaker 10: She to visit the US at some later point. Interestingly,
[22:34] Speaker 10: no Taiwan discussions, no Taiwan mentioned today raised and tariffs
[22:40] Speaker 10: on China reduced from fifty seven percent to forty seven percent.
[22:46] Speaker 1: And finally, I gave you a taste before, now the
[22:48] Speaker 1: full dose. While you were working, they are playing. They
[22:53] Speaker 1: are playing with other people's money that they I am
[22:55] Speaker 1: talking about at MPs. The other people's money is the
[22:57] Speaker 1: taxpayer money that is spent on staff to crap social
[23:01] Speaker 1: media videos that treat everyone who votes, regardless of whether
[23:05] Speaker 1: they vote for or against These people like children. Perfect example.
[23:10] Speaker 1: Two labor MP's were the same thing on the same day.
[23:13] Speaker 1: Quick alert the Internet.
[23:17] Speaker 11: I am Drew, I am Danny, and we are not
[23:21] Speaker 11: the same person. We may have similar lives, we may
[23:26] Speaker 11: have similar wives where we are to have Fred Nunn.
[23:30] Speaker 1: Can we play again the one on the left. Don't
[23:31] Speaker 1: you love the sort of overly fake of it all?
[23:35] Speaker 1: Just play it again, right please?
[23:38] Speaker 11: I am Drew, I am Danny, and we are not
[23:43] Speaker 11: the same person. We may have similar lives, we may
[23:47] Speaker 11: have similar wives where we are to have Fred Nunn.
[23:52] Speaker 1: These people write the laws. They write the freaking laws.
[23:57] Speaker 1: Both of those people back benches paid two hundred grand
[23:59] Speaker 1: a year. You you pay it same as these ones.
[24:06] Speaker 7: From them first, something big is happening, Oh goodness.
[24:18] Speaker 1: And then there's the Greens who decided to spend your
[24:20] Speaker 1: money like this. No, I'm done, break and then back
[24:39] Speaker 1: with a conversation with our guests next. But these people,
[24:42] Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. These people, thank you so much
[24:55] Speaker 1: for watching. They've never been in embarrassing themselves on the
[24:58] Speaker 1: internet like those MPs hate reminders the dismissal fifty years
[25:02] Speaker 1: this year and on November eleven, we're going to have
[25:04] Speaker 1: a special documentary. That bloke there, Chris Yellman, who of
[25:07] Speaker 1: course joined us in Canberra for our most recent outtown,
[25:10] Speaker 1: has done an excellent job looking back at it all.
[25:12] Speaker 1: And as I always say about these things, I hope
[25:15] Speaker 1: that the very final section of the documentary is And
[25:18] Speaker 1: then there were two more elections, of which Whitler got
[25:21] Speaker 1: his backside kicked. We'll see, we'll see. I asked Chris
[25:25] Speaker 1: that question and he sort of laughed. So we'll all
[25:28] Speaker 1: learn together whether that's there. But certainly PostScript or not,
[25:30] Speaker 1: it's going to be a great dock I'll be up
[25:31] Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks time Senator Roscardell, who's already
[25:34] Speaker 1: been in the news this week. We even spoke about
[25:35] Speaker 1: him in our editorials. As we go haggling with some
[25:38] Speaker 1: TikTok people, we'll have a chat with him. And of
[25:41] Speaker 1: course the wonderful Joe Hildebrand here as always just.
[25:44] Speaker 2: You're comfortable, the voice of reason again, that's all.
[25:47] Speaker 1: Well if that's what Olbow calls you, but otherwise you
[25:50] Speaker 1: can see him of course backing in Australia in all
[25:52] Speaker 1: of the papers, and we love having you here at
[25:54] Speaker 1: Sky News. So the Treasurer was talking last night about
[25:59] Speaker 1: how are the tribuons of dollars that are in superannuation
[26:04] Speaker 1: should be accessed for things like building more houses. Put simply,
[26:08] Speaker 1: those superannuation companies invest in the building, make the profits back,
[26:13] Speaker 1: get a return for everyone. But of course what I
[26:16] Speaker 1: find weird about this is that if you want to
[26:18] Speaker 1: take out a chunk of your super to pay for
[26:20] Speaker 1: your house, no terrible, you'll ruin the system. But if
[26:25] Speaker 1: many of these super schemes, which of course run by
[26:28] Speaker 1: union mates basically as a separate access of funds for
[26:33] Speaker 1: the Labor Party and its projects. We start to get
[26:36] Speaker 1: a little bit weird, but ross it feels like that's
[26:38] Speaker 1: where they're going. Remember, this is the bike who's going
[26:40] Speaker 1: to remake capitalism and as told as he needs multiple
[26:43] Speaker 1: terms to do it. So when he floats an idea,
[26:45] Speaker 1: we should pay attention to it.
[26:49] Speaker 3: And this is an amazing thing. It's just changing the scorecards.
[26:51] Speaker 3: No more health techs on hat whether you're supers performing yea,
[26:55] Speaker 3: I thought super aniations about helping people retire, having some money,
[26:58] Speaker 3: having a great life, but no.
[27:00] Speaker 5: From little things, Albow will come and take them.
[27:02] Speaker 3: And it's an interesting thing to take the middle man
[27:06] Speaker 3: out because normal governments would tax your money and spend
[27:09] Speaker 3: it themselves. But they're not going to tax you anymore.
[27:11] Speaker 3: They're just going to lower your retirement savings quietly so
[27:14] Speaker 3: you don't ever notice. It's a brilliant move to ruin
[27:16] Speaker 3: Australian's retirement living and he should be given high marks
[27:20] Speaker 3: for the creativity of which is taking more of Australian's
[27:23] Speaker 3: money to live his best life.
[27:24] Speaker 1: Well, I think you're being very polite. Part of the
[27:27] Speaker 1: money here too is again basically suggesting that obviously, because
[27:32] Speaker 1: I mean, they're not going to put all the four
[27:33] Speaker 1: trillion dollars that's currently in the pot, it'd be a
[27:35] Speaker 1: section of it could pay for a whole bunch of things,
[27:37] Speaker 1: clean energy projects, all the rest of it. Then we
[27:40] Speaker 1: also got a little one here that maybe the super
[27:43] Speaker 1: funds could start building aged care centers. Well, of course
[27:47] Speaker 1: not many of them are running at super profits, so
[27:49] Speaker 1: there has to be a line here. But what is
[27:51] Speaker 1: the lodgy Because again, if you can't take it out
[27:53] Speaker 1: for you, why should the government be the beneficiary of
[27:58] Speaker 1: them taking it out for them?
[27:59] Speaker 2: Because the government's not going to risk running out of
[28:01] Speaker 2: money in retirement. That's why the concern is about people
[28:04] Speaker 2: individuals using their own super to put in the house,
[28:07] Speaker 2: because what happens if yes, you bought the house and
[28:08] Speaker 2: you're living in it, but you don't have enough money
[28:10] Speaker 2: to live on when you're older. That is the concern there.
[28:12] Speaker 2: You can argue about whether you're better off that way
[28:14] Speaker 2: or not, but that's a concern. But I've got to say,
[28:16] Speaker 2: you mentioned we're doing this back Australia thing. This is
[28:19] Speaker 2: exactly the sort of thing that the people we've been
[28:21] Speaker 2: talking to have been crying out for, which is basically
[28:23] Speaker 2: removing any impediments for people, be they big super funds
[28:27] Speaker 2: or be the customer at the shops investing in Australia
[28:31] Speaker 2: and buying Australia. And all this money that we're talking
[28:34] Speaker 2: about is four trillion dollars that's currently being invested in
[28:37] Speaker 2: all these overseas international stock funds, investments, whatever, because they
[28:43] Speaker 2: produce a return. But as if you're not going to
[28:45] Speaker 2: get a return on investing in housing in Australia, I mean,
[28:47] Speaker 2: the reason it's not happening isn't because housing isn't going
[28:50] Speaker 2: through the roof in terms of value, So we don't
[28:53] Speaker 2: have enough skills to build it quick enough.
[28:55] Speaker 1: Okay, So again, and I know I'm getting into the
[28:58] Speaker 1: weeds here, but it's like, Okay, they decide we're going
[29:01] Speaker 1: to help fund a apartment block, so okay, so they
[29:07] Speaker 1: build it, they sell it off. That's the level of
[29:10] Speaker 1: turnaround on housing or because if you have to wait
[29:13] Speaker 1: until there's a certain time when you decide to sell it,
[29:16] Speaker 1: I mean, are you building to rent and then eventually
[29:18] Speaker 1: you know in ten years time? Are we not just
[29:20] Speaker 1: putting off?
[29:22] Speaker 2: So they're doing exact I mean, we have property developers
[29:24] Speaker 2: in this country for a reason because you can make
[29:28] Speaker 2: money out of it. No, we've also got governments doing
[29:30] Speaker 2: the exact same thing, so you can make money out
[29:33] Speaker 2: of housing.
[29:34] Speaker 1: We need more housing.
[29:35] Speaker 2: If it is a lack of capital that is holding
[29:38] Speaker 2: it back, and lack of upfront capital, then you'd be
[29:41] Speaker 2: mad not to want to unleash that.
[29:43] Speaker 5: So I think absolutely can.
[29:45] Speaker 1: I'll get in on getting their ross in this, Joe.
[29:48] Speaker 3: If it was profitable, they'd be doing it already. There
[29:51] Speaker 3: are already property investment funds. There are already investment in
[29:54] Speaker 3: real estate. If this was a good investment for your superannuation,
[29:58] Speaker 3: for mums and dad superannuation, they would already be investing it.
[30:01] Speaker 3: What they're essentially saying is we're taking away the scorecards
[30:05] Speaker 3: of good performing super funds so you can invest in
[30:08] Speaker 3: these underperforming assets.
[30:10] Speaker 5: That is a disgrace.
[30:13] Speaker 2: It sounds like that are saying we're going to remove
[30:15] Speaker 2: these restrictions, so if you want to invest in this,
[30:17] Speaker 2: you can, And I think that's a great to me.
[30:21] Speaker 1: To me, I think there is a problem that whether
[30:23] Speaker 1: this is the solution to it or not, will find
[30:25] Speaker 1: out together. Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure, Yes, that we've got something
[30:30] Speaker 1: pretty phenomenal about to happen in the new airport Sydney's West, Right,
[30:34] Speaker 1: that's a pretty big deal. Equally, there's a whole bunch
[30:37] Speaker 1: of toll roads around the country that theoretically government money
[30:40] Speaker 1: should have been building, but they decided to go the
[30:42] Speaker 1: private route first. If government turns around and says that
[30:49] Speaker 1: greater infrastructure, not even just sort of the personal if
[30:52] Speaker 1: that's one of the pictures, then we'll see where it goes.
[30:54] Speaker 1: But this is a government that, remember is running a
[30:57] Speaker 1: federal budget intentionally into the ground for the next forty years.
[31:01] Speaker 1: The idea that they think that your money that by
[31:03] Speaker 1: law they've told you to put over there is going
[31:06] Speaker 1: to help supplement their government spending issues. Now, I want
[31:09] Speaker 1: to talk about what's been happening in the Senate today,
[31:11] Speaker 1: Ross because it does matter to me, right and whatever
[31:14] Speaker 1: the fate is where the previous government find great guilty bang,
[31:18] Speaker 1: But guess what, that's a couple of elections ago. Now.
[31:21] Speaker 1: So I want to see the opposition do what every
[31:23] Speaker 1: opposition does, which is to talk about greater transparency, but
[31:26] Speaker 1: to do what you've been doing in the Senate in
[31:28] Speaker 1: the past couple of days, which is to force the
[31:30] Speaker 1: government to say no, no, no, no, no, no, when you've
[31:32] Speaker 1: got a document, none of this redacted garbage. There's no
[31:34] Speaker 1: secret there about you know the longitude and latitude of
[31:38] Speaker 1: where Harold Holt is. This is stuff about power prices. Right. Equally,
[31:43] Speaker 1: there's a report which has been around since twenty twenty
[31:45] Speaker 1: three about how not to stack the public service with
[31:48] Speaker 1: your personal picks. Right. I love that you're doing this,
[31:52] Speaker 1: but it also means that question time went for about
[31:55] Speaker 1: three and a half hours today. How close are we
[31:58] Speaker 1: to something actually changed here or the government just slow
[32:02] Speaker 1: playing the ball until everyone has to go home.
[32:06] Speaker 3: I think they're going to slow play the ball. Question
[32:08] Speaker 3: Time was meant to go maybe half an hour longer today,
[32:11] Speaker 3: but Labour wanted to play their games. They would say, no, no,
[32:13] Speaker 3: we'll keep question time going and see if you guys
[32:16] Speaker 3: want to go through with it. So we kept catching
[32:18] Speaker 3: question time, not that half hour longer, we kept it
[32:20] Speaker 3: for three and a half hours, from two to a
[32:22] Speaker 3: German at five point thirty on the Senate today. You've
[32:25] Speaker 3: heard the threats that have been implied to other people's things.
[32:28] Speaker 3: I had very little knowledge about this document that Senator
[32:32] Speaker 3: Pocock wanted about jobs for the boys.
[32:34] Speaker 5: I didn't know what was in it, but g I'm
[32:36] Speaker 5: intrigued if.
[32:37] Speaker 3: They're going to threaten people's livelihoods, if we're going to
[32:39] Speaker 3: have three and a half hours of question times, I
[32:42] Speaker 3: got to know what is in this document. And already
[32:44] Speaker 3: on the redaction one that Senator Dean Smith, my colleague,
[32:47] Speaker 3: is after we've already seen the unredacted bits saying energy
[32:51] Speaker 3: prices will increase significantly in the next twelve months. So
[32:54] Speaker 3: if that's the unredacted, what are they hiding then the
[32:56] Speaker 3: other stuff? It's amazing that we don't have this class
[33:00] Speaker 3: already of government. I know they can bring up the
[33:02] Speaker 3: things of the past, but don't we deserve to know
[33:05] Speaker 3: isn't Australia and isn't government better when it is in
[33:08] Speaker 3: the open and people can make good decisions. The problem
[33:11] Speaker 3: is Labour's so good at the spin, so good at
[33:13] Speaker 3: the spin, deliver on the real things.
[33:15] Speaker 1: Well, look again, you know, I believe that there are
[33:18] Speaker 1: lots of little wins in all of this, and it's
[33:19] Speaker 1: all about defining what you stand for right now again,
[33:23] Speaker 1: if you can control the information, and then you can
[33:25] Speaker 1: control the media that is asking for the information, and
[33:27] Speaker 1: then you can control the information that the media gets.
[33:30] Speaker 1: We are where we are in terms of this government.
[33:32] Speaker 1: Right here is a member of that government talking about
[33:34] Speaker 1: what's been happening in the Senate today.
[33:38] Speaker 12: And we've now, as a result of a dummy spit
[33:40] Speaker 12: from David Pocock, he's decided to upend that in a
[33:44] Speaker 12: way that advantages the opposition and the cross Bench. So
[33:47] Speaker 12: I think he should reflect on his actions.
[33:50] Speaker 1: A dummy spit. Remember when they needed this bloke, Remember
[33:53] Speaker 1: when he was the only way they could get anything done. Again,
[33:55] Speaker 1: this is what David Pocock had to say today.
[33:59] Speaker 8: We're seeing the Senate do its job under the constitution.
[34:01] Speaker 8: The government is refusing to release a report that they
[34:05] Speaker 8: said would be made public and they have no grounds
[34:09] Speaker 8: to withhold it, and we've been trying to get it
[34:12] Speaker 8: out of them for a long time now, and we're
[34:13] Speaker 8: ratcheting up the pressure until they release it.
[34:16] Speaker 7: Now.
[34:16] Speaker 1: Joe, here's the deal. Yes, I don't care what previous
[34:19] Speaker 1: governments did, the standard that you said, all the rest
[34:22] Speaker 1: of it. What you're willing to walk past is the standards,
[34:24] Speaker 1: all of that stuff, right, And there are moments when look,
[34:27] Speaker 1: people are trying to get that little bit of information,
[34:29] Speaker 1: so they can turn around and say, hey, Treasury said,
[34:32] Speaker 1: you know, bad sandwich, bad sandwich, bad sandwich. Look what
[34:35] Speaker 1: they were choosing. I get that right, But stuff like
[34:40] Speaker 1: this Power Price report, stuff like this job's for mate stuff.
[34:45] Speaker 1: Why do they play such a game on this?
[34:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand. To be honest, I know my
[34:49] Speaker 2: mum was very impressed with David Pocock. I said, come on,
[34:52] Speaker 2: mummy's a bit holier than now, isn't he? Just then
[34:56] Speaker 2: I just had to quietly shut the door. So this
[35:00] Speaker 2: is why, to be honest, this is why I get
[35:02] Speaker 2: very frustrated when labors in opposition it gets on a
[35:04] Speaker 2: tire horse and says.
[35:05] Speaker 1: No, we're all about integrity.
[35:06] Speaker 2: It's like we all know that when they're in government,
[35:08] Speaker 2: when anyone's in government, they all behave the same and
[35:10] Speaker 2: there's jobs for everybody's mates.
[35:12] Speaker 1: But I had no.
[35:13] Speaker 2: Idea about this report, like Ross, I didn't even wasn't
[35:16] Speaker 2: even aware of its existence until the government refused to
[35:19] Speaker 2: release it. And so you could probably argue there was
[35:21] Speaker 2: much more wisdom in just letting it, you know, letting
[35:25] Speaker 2: it out with you know, I'm sure the obligatory black
[35:27] Speaker 2: pen through half of it. So I think you know,
[35:30] Speaker 2: it's never the crime, it's the cover up that gets you.
[35:32] Speaker 2: But I think in terms of the parliamentary shenanigans, I
[35:34] Speaker 2: mean both sides, sides either side to sort of clutch
[35:38] Speaker 2: their pearls and say you're abusing parliamentary process or whatever whatever.
[35:41] Speaker 2: They're obviously both having a huge amount of fun trying
[35:44] Speaker 2: to screw each over each other over procedurally correct.
[35:47] Speaker 1: Right, And Ross, I get it. When you get home,
[35:50] Speaker 1: you're not going to be stopped in the street about this.
[35:52] Speaker 1: It's not going to be barbecues, you know. Pause, Oh
[35:55] Speaker 1: my goodness, did you see about the information release of
[35:57] Speaker 1: I understand, right, But the joy, Yeah, the time to
[36:01] Speaker 1: talk like we have each and every night is to
[36:04] Speaker 1: actually talk about some of the stuff that is a
[36:06] Speaker 1: little complicated, to get to, a little long to explain,
[36:09] Speaker 1: not as as simple as the screen of a headline. Right,
[36:14] Speaker 1: Because this is the system, and if you want people
[36:17] Speaker 1: to have faith in the system, then the system has
[36:19] Speaker 1: to clean itself and the system has to give itself
[36:22] Speaker 1: a kick in the ass. I get it when the
[36:24] Speaker 1: shoes on the other foot. To complete the metaphor, but Ross,
[36:28] Speaker 1: is this something that you can imagine the Greens in particular,
[36:33] Speaker 1: are going to want to keep playing ball on you're
[36:34] Speaker 1: not part of the Greens. I get it, but the
[36:36] Speaker 1: government can't pass a single thing in the Parliament without them,
[36:39] Speaker 1: not one thing. So to me it's also a test
[36:43] Speaker 1: of the Greens and how hard they're going to push
[36:45] Speaker 1: on this.
[36:47] Speaker 3: I think we have to compartmentalize a bit. There is
[36:50] Speaker 3: legislation that we have to pass for the good of
[36:52] Speaker 3: the country. We have to keep doing that. We can't
[36:54] Speaker 3: hold up how we go to government forward on this.
[36:57] Speaker 3: But I think we're all saying stronger, we're talking about
[36:59] Speaker 3: different things today. Because they were jumping up and calling
[37:01] Speaker 3: qorums every time a coalition speaker got up this morning,
[37:04] Speaker 3: so you stop for four minutes, well until nineteen people
[37:07] Speaker 3: come into the chamber.
[37:08] Speaker 5: These games were happening. They there.
[37:10] Speaker 3: But I'm pretty confident the cross Bench, the Greens and
[37:12] Speaker 3: us want to see this through on this document. We
[37:14] Speaker 3: want to see if we can get a change of behavior.
[37:17] Speaker 3: And remember they've got their FOI changes, you know, which
[37:20] Speaker 3: are really freedom from information that Labor want to get
[37:22] Speaker 3: through to so make it even harder to get anything
[37:25] Speaker 3: the people to see anything.
[37:27] Speaker 1: All of this.
[37:28] Speaker 3: They're not even pretending not to legislate to make information
[37:31] Speaker 3: harder to get. So this is a really big test.
[37:34] Speaker 3: We'll see how it goes. Obviously someone's will will win out.
[37:37] Speaker 3: We've got an interesting We've only got two weeks left
[37:39] Speaker 3: in the Senate for the year, but it will be
[37:42] Speaker 3: very interesting to see what happens. But we just have
[37:43] Speaker 3: to stare their eyes down and see what we can
[37:45] Speaker 3: do it. If it means asking questions for three and
[37:47] Speaker 3: a half hours for another ten days, then I guess
[37:49] Speaker 3: we'll have to.
[37:51] Speaker 1: Some breaking news, The Victorian Parliament has just passed the
[37:54] Speaker 1: treaty with Indigenous Peoples. It has now passed the Lower
[37:57] Speaker 1: and the Upper House. It will presumably formerly tick off
[38:00] Speaker 1: by one more vote in the Low House, but there
[38:01] Speaker 1: we go. It is now after ascension et cetera, et cetera,
[38:05] Speaker 1: but essentially the Law of the Land Treaty Bill in Victoria.
[38:08] Speaker 2: The loll Aboriginal people's problems are solved.
[38:10] Speaker 1: Now everything's fixed. Fantastic, everything's fixed. Congratulations. The Libs, of
[38:13] Speaker 1: course have said that after the next election they will
[38:15] Speaker 1: get rid of it. We'll all wait and see what
[38:17] Speaker 1: happens between now and then. So ross the Tomago smelter.
[38:21] Speaker 1: Now again, people understand the importance of not just this
[38:25] Speaker 1: but multiple of the smelters around the country. Basically, it's
[38:29] Speaker 1: power bills. The government may at the last minute come
[38:32] Speaker 1: in and find some way to either pay these things
[38:35] Speaker 1: or make us look the other way. But give people
[38:38] Speaker 1: an idea. If the Tomago smelter disappeared next week, what happens.
[38:44] Speaker 3: Well, you get fourteen hundred jobs at the actual smelter.
[38:47] Speaker 3: You get about five thousand additional five thousand total jobs
[38:51] Speaker 3: that people who contract to it, people whose jobs rely
[38:54] Speaker 3: on the product from it, transport companies, engineering companies as
[38:57] Speaker 3: far up as Tari and a local member up there
[39:00] Speaker 3: else and Penfold has been seeing some people and helping them.
[39:02] Speaker 5: But it is the canary in the coal mine.
[39:06] Speaker 3: This is absolutely the proof and the reasons it's making
[39:08] Speaker 3: such big news is so many people involved. So you
[39:11] Speaker 3: take that sort of jobs, five thousand people out of
[39:13] Speaker 3: the hunter who's already under stressed with the coal mine,
[39:16] Speaker 3: all the net zero stuff that's going on.
[39:19] Speaker 5: It's just a real kick to us.
[39:20] Speaker 3: And it's just a sign that we are not manufacturing
[39:23] Speaker 3: in Australia. The future is not going to be made
[39:25] Speaker 3: in Australia. It's going to be imported to Australia and
[39:28] Speaker 3: you won't see all the small things like bakeries that
[39:30] Speaker 3: use power and the small engineering, all these other things
[39:33] Speaker 3: because they won't be the fifteen hundred jobs, your tens
[39:37] Speaker 3: and twenties.
[39:37] Speaker 5: They'll all go bit by bit by bit.
[39:40] Speaker 3: It is a symptom that we're starting to see the
[39:41] Speaker 3: consequence of all renewables, of a power price that we
[39:45] Speaker 3: can't get under control, and it's just a terrible thing
[39:47] Speaker 3: for us. We've gone through BHB plosers, we're going through
[39:50] Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff up in the valley, another hit
[39:53] Speaker 3: like this.
[39:53] Speaker 5: The hunt is just going to copy.
[39:55] Speaker 1: Good stuff, all right, Joe winner or a loser for
[39:57] Speaker 1: the week, who stands out for you?
[39:58] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[39:59] Speaker 2: Look, I've got to give winner of the week too,
[40:01] Speaker 2: Chris Mins.
[40:01] Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you.
[40:02] Speaker 2: Saw the poll a couple of days ago, but the
[40:05] Speaker 2: New South Wales Premier and Labor in New South Wales
[40:07] Speaker 2: is now leading the New South Wales Liberal Party fifty
[40:11] Speaker 2: nine forty one. I can't remember the last time I
[40:15] Speaker 2: saw anything like that. And the loser of the week
[40:18] Speaker 2: I would give to our good friend Chinese President Xijingping
[40:22] Speaker 2: because not only did he get pants by Donald Trump
[40:25] Speaker 2: and forced to remove restrictions to rare earth and critical
[40:28] Speaker 2: mineral exports, but the President has also just announced he's
[40:34] Speaker 2: going to resume nuclear testing. So I'm pretty sure we'll
[40:37] Speaker 2: raise a few eyebrows in China. So not quite as
[40:40] Speaker 2: tough as it used to be.
[40:41] Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, give us an idea. Ross who's up
[40:43] Speaker 1: and down for you?
[40:45] Speaker 3: Winn a youth of Australia who finally get to hear
[40:48] Speaker 3: about Joy Division going forward as a band all that controversy.
[40:51] Speaker 3: I think maybees version of New Dawn Fade was a
[40:54] Speaker 3: bit better than the Drey Division. And then loser of
[40:56] Speaker 3: the week Chris bowing out there coming home to roast
[41:00] Speaker 3: on his energy policy.
[41:01] Speaker 5: Offshore wind has failed.
[41:03] Speaker 3: People are working out on his hydrogen plan that you
[41:05] Speaker 3: can't make things from electricity cheaper than electricity, and now
[41:08] Speaker 3: we see job losses in Bown, in Toma Gay, so
[41:11] Speaker 3: they're coming home to risk the consequence of the landing,
[41:13] Speaker 3: and I think pressure will mount on him within government.
[41:16] Speaker 1: My winner of the week little bloke by the name
[41:18] Speaker 1: of Max, six years old. His dad James, is a
[41:21] Speaker 1: dear friend of mine and he wants me to say
[41:23] Speaker 1: Batman on TV. So Max, Yes, Batman is what you
[41:26] Speaker 1: get hurt on TV? Now go to bed, all right,
[41:28] Speaker 1: Love you guys. Quick break back with more loss to
[41:30] Speaker 1: talk about, including Colin Flynn. He joins us, as always
[41:34] Speaker 1: from Europe or other parts around the world. Always got
[41:37] Speaker 1: a great story to end off our week. A way
[41:39] Speaker 1: to smile before we say tadah Colin Flint. Next we
[41:46] Speaker 1: know that I make Colin Flynn has always got great
[41:48] Speaker 1: stories from all the way around the world. But he's
[41:50] Speaker 1: back in home base right now, and he's in Rome,
[41:52] Speaker 1: and he's inside an incredible basilica and it has a
[41:55] Speaker 1: connection to Australia. Column tell us of where you are, Paul.
[42:01] Speaker 13: It is so great to see you again. Yeah, it's
[42:03] Speaker 13: always amazing. Last week we were speaking from Algeria. Today
[42:06] Speaker 13: I'm back in Rome and I'm standing in this incredible library.
[42:10] Speaker 13: It's called Biblioteca Valley Chiliana. Now try saying that three
[42:13] Speaker 13: times with the mouthful of spaghetti. It ain't easy. But
[42:16] Speaker 13: let me fix to this second shot here. Look at
[42:18] Speaker 13: this isn't this amazing poll For some of our younger viewers,
[42:22] Speaker 13: this is called the library.
[42:23] Speaker 5: And these are books.
[42:25] Speaker 13: This is old school technology, but this dates back from
[42:28] Speaker 13: the seventeenth century, was established by Saint Philip Neary, one
[42:32] Speaker 13: of the great saints of the Catholic Church. And surrounding
[42:34] Speaker 13: me are these ancient manuscripts, records of papal documents, incredible
[42:39] Speaker 13: history and an incredible center of learning and education. And
[42:43] Speaker 13: tonight what is amazing is that Paul, from one night only,
[42:46] Speaker 13: the Australians are taking over this library right in the
[42:49] Speaker 13: center of Rome, beside Piazza and Nevona, close to the Vatican,
[42:53] Speaker 13: because the Australian University of Notre Dam and the Australian
[42:57] Speaker 13: Embassy to the Holy See, with the Great Ambassador Keith Pitt,
[43:00] Speaker 13: they're hosting this conference on artificial intelligence and how it
[43:04] Speaker 13: pertains to education. Now, Paul, you and I know that
[43:07] Speaker 13: AI is changing so many aspects of our life, even
[43:10] Speaker 13: in media. I mean, we use it now all the
[43:12] Speaker 13: time for our scripting, for putting stories together, for our editing.
[43:17] Speaker 13: And while it is a great asset, it also poses questions. Well, then,
[43:20] Speaker 13: what is real? What is fake?
[43:22] Speaker 5: Well?
[43:22] Speaker 13: What does truth mean?
[43:23] Speaker 5: Anymore?
[43:24] Speaker 13: We know that certain jobs are being threatened by artificial intelligence.
[43:27] Speaker 13: But tonight I'll be moderating this conference with some great
[43:30] Speaker 13: people on the panel or Australian friends, and we'll be
[43:33] Speaker 13: talking about how is AI changing the way education is
[43:37] Speaker 13: taught in universities, but also how students are learning. And
[43:41] Speaker 13: what is really cool about this, Paul, is that we
[43:43] Speaker 13: are looking at it through the prism of John Henry Newman.
[43:46] Speaker 13: He's a great saint of the church as well. He
[43:48] Speaker 13: was an Anglican, a professor at Oxford University in the
[43:51] Speaker 13: UK who converted to Catholicism. He went on to become
[43:54] Speaker 13: a great cardinal, he went on to become a saint.
[43:57] Speaker 1: But his whole idea.
[43:58] Speaker 13: Was that for a student person to be fully formed
[44:01] Speaker 13: and to be wholly educated, it wasn't good enough that
[44:05] Speaker 13: they were an intellect and a learned person who could
[44:07] Speaker 13: maybe read and recite all of these manuscripts around me,
[44:10] Speaker 13: but you needed to have a formation of character or
[44:13] Speaker 13: virtue of spirit as well. So it was you know, intellectual,
[44:17] Speaker 13: it was philosophical, it was theological as well. And the
[44:20] Speaker 13: problem today that we'll be discussing tonight is that you know, now,
[44:24] Speaker 13: when students want to get an answer, they go to
[44:26] Speaker 13: chat GPT. In the past, this library would have been
[44:29] Speaker 13: filled with students when they wanted to get a piece
[44:31] Speaker 13: of information or they needed to reach a conclusion, they
[44:34] Speaker 13: would have to come in here and put in the groundwork.
[44:37] Speaker 13: And in that pursuit of truth and education, they would
[44:40] Speaker 13: be encountering different arguments, moral arguments, ethical arguments. They could
[44:44] Speaker 13: be talking to their professor, their friends, considering points of
[44:47] Speaker 13: view they might not have considered before. Whereas now students
[44:51] Speaker 13: are going and they're getting the answer in an instant.
[44:52] Speaker 13: So it's cutting out that journey. So tonight in the
[44:55] Speaker 13: panel we'll be discussing that poll. What does that mean.
[44:57] Speaker 13: It's making students more efficient, but it's taking away that
[45:00] Speaker 13: deep learning and that process of you know, getting to
[45:04] Speaker 13: the destination and the piece of information that you need.
[45:07] Speaker 1: But also, I mean the obvious juxtaposition of where you
[45:10] Speaker 1: are about a building building, I'm just double checking fifteen
[45:14] Speaker 1: eighty one, one hundred and thirty thousand documents, precious documents
[45:19] Speaker 1: around you, right that as you say, people thinking that
[45:25] Speaker 1: the phone is the primary source, right, the phone is
[45:28] Speaker 1: a tool. Sure, you know, Internet learning, all the rest
[45:33] Speaker 1: of it AI as you're dealing with, it's very convenient
[45:35] Speaker 1: and funding lots of different ways. But there is no
[45:38] Speaker 1: substitute for trying to first source if you can now,
[45:43] Speaker 1: obviously nobody's going to be able to go and literally
[45:46] Speaker 1: go and find this document from you two centuries ago.
[45:49] Speaker 1: But the idea that a person who did that and
[45:53] Speaker 1: then wrote a book about it becomes a way of
[45:55] Speaker 1: getting as close to the source material as possible. And
[45:58] Speaker 1: it's not old school. It's better.
[46:01] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[46:02] Speaker 13: And you know, I actually that document that you're looking
[46:04] Speaker 13: for from the second century. Maybe I can find it
[46:06] Speaker 13: here for you, Paul, if you give me a minute,
[46:08] Speaker 13: and if Anthony can be cut to that wide shot again.
[46:10] Speaker 5: Isn't this amazing?
[46:12] Speaker 13: It's just incredible. But you know, you hit the nail
[46:14] Speaker 13: on the head pole, because really what you're talking about
[46:16] Speaker 13: is the difference between knowledge and wisdom. And with artificial intelligence,
[46:21] Speaker 13: AI does not have a soul, it doesn't have a conscience.
[46:24] Speaker 13: There's a case, a fascinating case in the US at
[46:26] Speaker 13: the moment where these grieving parents are suing chat ChiPT
[46:30] Speaker 13: because their sixteen year old son was suicidal and he
[46:34] Speaker 13: went to AI and he said, I want to take
[46:36] Speaker 13: my own life and he was asking about different ways
[46:38] Speaker 13: to do it. Now, the AI technology had the knowledge
[46:43] Speaker 13: that he wanted, but it didn't have the wisdom sadly
[46:46] Speaker 13: not to give it to him and to tell him
[46:48] Speaker 13: to go and get help. So that is the danger
[46:50] Speaker 13: when you're relying on it as your primary source of information.
[46:53] Speaker 13: When you take out those human elements, it's going to
[46:56] Speaker 13: be a fascinating discussion. And you know what it took
[46:58] Speaker 13: the Australians coming here to row. It's a holist that tonight.
[47:01] Speaker 13: So thank you Australia for this.
[47:03] Speaker 1: Well, thank you Colin, and thank you Rome. We love
[47:05] Speaker 1: you mate. We'll see you again next week. What a
[47:06] Speaker 1: wonderful man he is. What a beautiful building too. That's
[47:09] Speaker 1: pretty impressive. If you have a young person anywhere, you
[47:13] Speaker 1: ask them what does the word Dewey decimal mean? In
[47:15] Speaker 1: the meantime, going to the sky news website skydies dot
[47:17] Speaker 1: com dot au more than a second now Halloween, I
[47:26] Speaker 1: get it, as the Twelfth Man would call it, some
[47:28] Speaker 1: sepo bs. But this year, for the first time ever,
[47:33] Speaker 1: going to be participating, like the kids will be participating.
[47:37] Speaker 1: I've given in this one year right. But some people,
[47:42] Speaker 1: some people, they go a little bit over the top.
[47:43] Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about all of those people who
[47:45] Speaker 1: decide to decorate their houses. Good luck to you. But
[47:48] Speaker 1: this person banging away in the age this week brought
[47:51] Speaker 1: something to my attention, which was the apparent frightening dangers
[47:56] Speaker 1: of taking your kids into Bunnings. And first thing first,
[48:00] Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure how many zombies actually wear Bunnings aprons,
[48:04] Speaker 1: But thanks Bunnings, I thought we'd only just got him
[48:09] Speaker 1: out of our bed and back into his own after
[48:11] Speaker 1: nights of scary dreams. Okay, that's not a fun time
[48:14] Speaker 1: as a parent. Apparently Bunnings thinks it's okay to place
[48:19] Speaker 1: a hyper realistic bloodied zombie on the path to pick
[48:23] Speaker 1: up fertilizer, which will inevitably be trodden by small children. Ha. Honestly, again,
[48:33] Speaker 1: I get it right and every now and then, as
[48:35] Speaker 1: a parent, you might need a little bit of a
[48:37] Speaker 1: reminder that there is a world just bigger than whatever
[48:39] Speaker 1: the tragedies and difficulties that are going on inside your world.
[48:43] Speaker 1: But goodness me and I get it for the little kid.
[48:46] Speaker 1: I am not having a crack at a little kid here,
[48:48] Speaker 1: I am having a crack at a bit of a
[48:49] Speaker 1: Caraen response to a fake zombie wearing a Bunning's apron.
[48:58] Speaker 1: I repeat, it's weary Bunny Apron. I don't think that's scary, unless,
[49:08] Speaker 1: of course, they're just about to close and you're trying
[49:10] Speaker 1: to work out which island is the thing you really
[49:12] Speaker 1: want to find happens to be all the time. Have
[49:13] Speaker 1: a great weekend, Go Tigers, Go Yankees. Stud

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