# Paul Murray Live | 4 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 4 Oct 2026, 41 min.

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Jim Chalmers blames the private sector for inflation as government spending hits a four-decade high, Ben Carroll pledges to cut land tax ahead of the Victorian election. Plus, the latest on a terror plot targeting Nigel Farage. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Good evening, Australia. Welcome to the Man Cave. I'm Caleb
[0:03] Speaker 1: Bond filling in for Paul here in the Man Cave
[0:05] Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks. I hope he has
[0:08] Speaker 1: some nice time off. And as Paul would often say
[0:10] Speaker 1: on nights like this, this is one for the true believers.
[0:13] Speaker 1: So thank you for being here with us. Here's a
[0:15] Speaker 1: bit of what's coming up. The Treasurer still won't take
[0:17] Speaker 1: any responsibility for inflation. Now he's blaming the private sector
[0:21] Speaker 1: for driving things up, despite the fact government spending is,
[0:24] Speaker 1: of course, at a four-decade high. Lee Hanson, David Limbrick
[0:28] Speaker 1: on the panel tonight. Plenty happening in Victoria with the
[0:31] Speaker 1: state election less than two months away now. Ben Carroll
[0:34] Speaker 1: pledging to cut land tax, and apparently there's a promise
[0:36] Speaker 1: to lock up Daniel Andrews and Jacinda Allen. I'll have
[0:39] Speaker 1: a bit more on that later. Plus, we'll cross to
[0:41] Speaker 1: London for all the latest UK news with Mark Dolan,
[0:44] Speaker 1: including a terror plot against reform UK leader Nigel Farage.
[0:49] Speaker 1: But we'll start with a poll... that has dropped this
[0:52] Speaker 1: evening on the Financial Review. This is a Redbridge poll.
[0:55] Speaker 1: Of course, our mate Cos Samaras, who pops up on
[0:57] Speaker 1: this program all the time. Now, there's some of it
[1:00] Speaker 1: that's not terribly surprising, but there's some of it that
[1:03] Speaker 1: is quite instructive. What you're looking at there... The primary vote,
[1:07] Speaker 1: which is, you know, bouncing around in the same way
[1:09] Speaker 1: it's been bouncing around for the last couple of months.
[1:11] Speaker 1: One Nation up by a point and Labor down by
[1:15] Speaker 1: a point, so One Nation back in the lead there.
[1:17] Speaker 1: Coalition down a point. The Greens down a point after
[1:20] Speaker 1: appointing their new leader, of course, David Shoebridge, this week,
[1:23] Speaker 1: and others up just a little. So not a great
[1:26] Speaker 1: deal of movement on that front. The two-party preferred now,
[1:30] Speaker 1: and this has been calculated, of course, between Labor... and
[1:33] Speaker 1: the Coalition is now 50-50. So I'm sure the Coalition
[1:37] Speaker 1: will be very happy to see that. But then you
[1:41] Speaker 1: get into the more interesting stuff, the net approval ratings
[1:45] Speaker 1: for leaders, right? So Anthony Albanese, the Prime Minister... And
[1:49] Speaker 1: keep in mind, this poll is done once a month,
[1:51] Speaker 1: so this is a change in a month. Anthony Albanese
[1:56] Speaker 1: down 10 points to a net approval rating of minus 1%. 27%. So, clearly,
[2:04] Speaker 1: things are starting to change. People are catching on, particularly,
[2:08] Speaker 1: you know, changes with the interest rates, et cetera. Some
[2:12] Speaker 1: of this stuff would seem to be cutting through. And
[2:14] Speaker 1: that is also quite evident when you look at the
[2:17] Speaker 1: number below it, which is Jim Chalmers. He's now sitting
[2:22] Speaker 1: at minus 23. He's gone back nine points. since the
[2:27] Speaker 1: poll was taken a month ago. And, of course, we
[2:30] Speaker 1: know exactly who Jim Chalmers is, don't we? So, in
[2:42] Speaker 1: the space of a month, the Prime Minister's gone backward
[2:44] Speaker 1: 10 points and the Treasurer's gone backward nine points. It
[2:48] Speaker 1: was slightly better for Pauline Hanson. She was up two points,
[2:51] Speaker 1: so she's now sitting at Minus 10%, and Angus Taylor
[2:55] Speaker 1: was slid three years now at minus 6%. But it
[2:58] Speaker 1: would seem to be that the economic concerns are starting
[3:02] Speaker 1: to cut through, and people are realising that the government
[3:05] Speaker 1: is indeed at fault here. I mean, you've seen what
[3:08] Speaker 1: happened to the interest rate during the week. The government
[3:11] Speaker 1: keeps saying it's not their fault, inflation is not our fault.
[3:14] Speaker 1: And you now see there, in the top issues... that
[3:17] Speaker 1: people are looking at. Of course, cost of living is
[3:19] Speaker 1: still far and away the biggest one, and it will
[3:22] Speaker 1: continue to do so, be so, for a long time.
[3:25] Speaker 1: But coming in sixth now, and again, this has rocketed
[3:28] Speaker 1: up the ranks since a month ago, economic management has
[3:32] Speaker 1: gained seven points into sixth place, the sixth biggest issue
[3:37] Speaker 1: for voters in this country now. I mean, this is
[3:40] Speaker 1: the reality of what is happening, that people are looking
[3:44] Speaker 1: at the bottom line They're looking at interest rates going up.
[3:48] Speaker 1: They're looking at inflation going up. They're looking at the
[3:51] Speaker 1: fact that, you know, they can't afford to buy a home,
[3:54] Speaker 1: even though, of course, house prices are going down. But
[3:56] Speaker 1: that's no real consolation to anyone because at the same
[4:00] Speaker 1: time as house prices are going down because of all
[4:02] Speaker 1: these tax changes that the government has made, the interest
[4:05] Speaker 1: rate is going up. So you don't actually have any
[4:07] Speaker 1: more buying power. I mean, you buy a house, you've
[4:12] Speaker 1: got to pay your mortgage. So when it comes to
[4:14] Speaker 1: the 28th of the month... Even though you might have
[4:17] Speaker 1: paid less for the house than you otherwise would have
[4:19] Speaker 1: before the government made tax changes, you have to pay
[4:22] Speaker 1: more on your mortgage. So you don't end up ahead
[4:25] Speaker 1: at all. You've got no extra encouragement to go and
[4:28] Speaker 1: buy a home. It's not getting easier. And, of course,
[4:31] Speaker 1: all of this has happened because inflation is running too hot.
[4:35] Speaker 1: And yet the Treasurer, all through last week, no responsibility.
[4:40] Speaker 1: Not my fault. It's not a government issue. that inflation
[4:44] Speaker 1: is as high as it is. It's your fault, is
[4:47] Speaker 1: basically what the Treasurer has been saying, and that's exactly
[4:50] Speaker 1: what he said again this morning on Insiders.
[4:54] Speaker 2: If you compare the last year of demand in our
[4:56] Speaker 2: economy compared to the year before, what you'll see is
[4:58] Speaker 2: that public demand has halved over the last year, while
[5:01] Speaker 2: private demand has tripled. public final demand grow more slowly
[5:07] Speaker 2: in the new figures that were released at the start
[5:10] Speaker 2: of last week. And so what that shows is there
[5:13] Speaker 2: are other factors at play here because public demand growth
[5:16] Speaker 2: has been coming down at the same time as inflation
[5:19] Speaker 2: has edged up.
[5:21] Speaker 1: Now, that is a complete swindle. Public demand is going down. OK,
[5:26] Speaker 1: it's not the demand that is the problem. It's the
[5:29] Speaker 1: share of the pie. that belongs to the government. I mean,
[5:33] Speaker 1: we are now at a 40-year high when it comes
[5:38] Speaker 1: to a share of government spending as GDP. 26.9%. The
[5:44] Speaker 1: highest share it has been in four decades. And you
[5:49] Speaker 1: have the Reserve Bank saying we have domestic pressures causing this.
[5:52] Speaker 1: causing the inflation and the fact that interest rates have
[5:57] Speaker 1: to go up, and the Treasurer says, it's got nothing
[5:59] Speaker 1: to do with me. Now, what you're looking at there,
[6:01] Speaker 1: that graph, which Warren Hogan sent through to me the
[6:05] Speaker 1: other day, is government spending as a percentage of GDP,
[6:10] Speaker 1: recurrent government spending, right? So this is the stuff that
[6:13] Speaker 1: they just keep having to spend. And you can see
[6:16] Speaker 1: there that it was basically a flat line for decades
[6:21] Speaker 1: and decades... Up until around 2015-16, it started to creep
[6:26] Speaker 1: up a bit, but particularly in the last few years,
[6:29] Speaker 1: it has absolutely shot up. This is not one-off spending.
[6:35] Speaker 1: This is recurrent spending by the government as a share
[6:39] Speaker 1: of GDP. And yet the Treasurer wants to tell us
[6:43] Speaker 1: that government spending is not part of the problem here.
[6:47] Speaker 1: It is absolute rubbish. But clearly, it would seem... people
[6:51] Speaker 1: are starting to pick up on this. Because when you
[6:53] Speaker 1: look at those poll numbers, you know, economic management now
[6:57] Speaker 1: into the sixth biggest issue in the country, and the
[7:00] Speaker 1: Prime Minister and the Treasurer both going backwards significantly in
[7:05] Speaker 1: terms of their approval ratings, maybe people are starting to
[7:08] Speaker 1: realise that the government isn't the saviour. The government actually
[7:12] Speaker 1: causes most of these problems. Now, I will give credit
[7:16] Speaker 1: where it's due, even to the Greens. Even a broken
[7:18] Speaker 1: clock is right twice a day, I suppose. But good
[7:22] Speaker 1: on the new Greens leader, David Shoebridge, for calling out
[7:24] Speaker 1: the power that the Digital Duty of Care Bill would
[7:28] Speaker 1: give the government and the communications minister. He confirmed here
[7:31] Speaker 1: on News 24 this morning that the Greens would not
[7:34] Speaker 1: be supporting the bill in its current form because it
[7:36] Speaker 1: would give too much power to the communications minister.
[7:40] Speaker 3: You know, we've had a look at that draft legislation
[7:43] Speaker 3: and there is too much ministerial discretion in it and
[7:47] Speaker 3: we don't think that giving a minister, you know, excessive
[7:54] Speaker 3: discretion is a good way of going.
[7:56] Speaker 1: So you're not passing it in its current form?
[7:58] Speaker 3: Oh, no, but I'll give the government credit.
[8:00] Speaker 1: I've been kicking them a bit this week, right?
[8:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
[8:03] Speaker 3: I don't think they expect it to pass in its
[8:05] Speaker 3: current form.
[8:06] Speaker 1: Now, I said I'd give credit where it's due, but
[8:08] Speaker 1: I'm also not going to gloss over things. Just a
[8:11] Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, David Shoebridge seemed to have a
[8:13] Speaker 1: different view on all of this. I want to be clear.
[8:16] Speaker 5: The digital duty of care does not prevent material being
[8:19] Speaker 5: shared unless it meets those criteria, child sexual abuse, terrorism.
[8:26] Speaker 1: Bestiality, things that I think.
[8:28] Speaker 5: we would have overwhelming agreement amongst the Australian public. A
[8:33] Speaker 5: well-designed digital duty of care isn't about prohibiting any one
[8:38] Speaker 5: of those political messages.
[8:41] Speaker 1: Now, maybe he's actually read the bill now or maybe
[8:43] Speaker 1: he just wants to hit the ground running, putting a
[8:45] Speaker 1: bit of pressure on Labor. I don't know. But a
[8:48] Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, he seemed keen on controls over
[8:51] Speaker 1: what people see on social media, you know, only to
[8:54] Speaker 1: stop bestiality and child abuse materials, what he said there.
[8:57] Speaker 1: Now he says it gives the minister too much discretion.
[9:00] Speaker 1: I'll let you work out why you think he's changed
[9:03] Speaker 1: his tune, but at least what he says now is right.
[9:05] Speaker 1: I mean, this has been the problem all along. If
[9:08] Speaker 1: you're giving a minister, and basically by extension the government,
[9:13] Speaker 1: the power to determine what is harmful content online, then
[9:16] Speaker 1: you're effectively creating a ministry of truth. I mean, giving
[9:20] Speaker 1: a government the power to decide what you should and
[9:22] Speaker 1: shouldn't see online should scare you. Once upon a time,
[9:26] Speaker 1: that was called censorship. Now it's called a digital duty
[9:29] Speaker 1: of care. Very tricky. And it makes it no better
[9:33] Speaker 1: that the parliament would have oversight of that, because what
[9:36] Speaker 1: happens when the government controls both of the houses? You
[9:39] Speaker 1: have complete control of what is and isn't harmful. And
[9:42] Speaker 1: you might think that the mob today wouldn't wield that
[9:45] Speaker 1: in a dangerous way, but what if they do? What
[9:48] Speaker 1: if someone else does in the future? I've made this
[9:51] Speaker 1: point before. I know Paul often says it. You might
[9:53] Speaker 1: be comfortable with the team you like having those powers
[9:57] Speaker 1: because you think they'd make the right decisions. but do
[10:00] Speaker 1: you want that power in the hands of the team
[10:02] Speaker 1: you oppose? Because that is inevitably what will happen. I mean,
[10:07] Speaker 1: you could have a government of the day effectively ban
[10:10] Speaker 1: stuff from the internet because it believes it to be harmful. Well,
[10:14] Speaker 1: harmful to whom? What's the threshold for something being harmful?
[10:19] Speaker 1: It's just far too broad. And this can apply to
[10:22] Speaker 1: news outfits too. I mean, we could have the communications
[10:25] Speaker 1: minister telling us here at News 24 or over at
[10:28] Speaker 1: the News Corp papers where I write columns to bury
[10:31] Speaker 1: stories because she thinks they're quote-unquote harmful. It is just absurd. Well, actually,
[10:37] Speaker 1: it's worse than that. It's scary. It's properly Orwellian. And
[10:41] Speaker 1: don't forget... that the government has already granted itself similar
[10:44] Speaker 1: powers to ban political parties and organisations under hate speech
[10:48] Speaker 1: laws that were rushed through parliament after the Bondi massacre.
[10:52] Speaker 1: As the old saying goes in politics, never let a
[10:55] Speaker 1: crisis go to waste. When the government already has too
[10:58] Speaker 1: much power over what you can and can't see and
[11:01] Speaker 1: what you should or shouldn't think, sure as hell shouldn't
[11:04] Speaker 1: be given any more. So, look, good on David Shoebridge...
[11:07] Speaker 1: What am I saying? Shoebridge. Shoebridge! for saying that the
[11:11] Speaker 1: Greens won't support it. But this thing, properly, needs to
[11:16] Speaker 1: be killed. While I'm talking about the Greens, apparently they
[11:19] Speaker 1: now also think that wind and solar farms mightn't always
[11:22] Speaker 1: be good for the environment. Isn't that an amusing bit
[11:25] Speaker 1: of irony? Now, keep in mind that to achieve the
[11:27] Speaker 1: government's renewable goals, we need 406,000 hectares... for new wind
[11:33] Speaker 1: and solar farms. And, of course, where you put them
[11:36] Speaker 1: does matter. And this is something I've always thought was
[11:39] Speaker 1: so funny about some of these greenies. Well, maybe not funny, hypocritical,
[11:44] Speaker 1: more like it. We have to save the rivers and
[11:47] Speaker 1: the trees and the animals, and any time someone tries
[11:49] Speaker 1: to dig a mine or put up a housing development,
[11:52] Speaker 1: they find some one-wing spotted pygmy possum or something that
[11:56] Speaker 1: means it couldn't possibly go ahead. But when it comes
[11:59] Speaker 1: to tearing up land for wind and solar farms, no problems.
[12:02] Speaker 1: Go for your life. Let's destroy the environment to save
[12:06] Speaker 1: the environment. Former Greens leader Christine Milne is one person
[12:11] Speaker 1: who's called this out before. She said last year that
[12:13] Speaker 1: environmentalists were too scared to say anything bad about a
[12:17] Speaker 1: renewable project because they didn't want to be lumped in
[12:19] Speaker 1: with the evil right-wingers.
[12:22] Speaker 6: Oh, no.
[12:23] Speaker 1: She said the reason that the larger groups have got
[12:26] Speaker 1: to this point is is because the right in Australia
[12:28] Speaker 1: oppose renewable energy. And so the environment movement have been
[12:32] Speaker 1: reluctant to stand up and say, well, actually, on this
[12:35] Speaker 1: particular wind farm or this particular transmission line, it's not appropriate.
[12:39] Speaker 1: They're frightened of being characterised in climate-denial terms. Poor things.
[12:46] Speaker 1: But she is right that, of all people, the Greenies
[12:50] Speaker 1: and environmentalists should be able to acknowledge... when an allegedly
[12:54] Speaker 1: green project isn't all that good for the environment. In fact,
[12:57] Speaker 1: they ought to be the first jumping up and down.
[12:59] Speaker 1: But sometimes principles don't come into these arguments. And that's
[13:03] Speaker 1: where the Greens were, at least until very recently. This
[13:06] Speaker 1: was reported in The Australian a year ago today. The Greens'
[13:10] Speaker 1: federal leader, Larissa Waters, is refusing to back activists and
[13:13] Speaker 1: communities and some of her own senators and party stalwarts
[13:16] Speaker 1: in fighting biodiversity-damaging renewable projects, underlying schisms within the environmental movement.
[13:23] Speaker 1: Senator Waters on Friday appeared to give support to five
[13:26] Speaker 1: key renewables projects that opponents, in some cases their own senators,
[13:30] Speaker 1: claim will have a significant impact on biodiversity and natural landscapes.
[13:34] Speaker 1: They include Robbins Island Wind Farm, proposed for a globally
[13:37] Speaker 1: significant wetlands area in Tasmania's north-west, that is fiercely opposed
[13:41] Speaker 1: by Green Senators Nick McKim and Peter Wish-Wilson, as well
[13:45] Speaker 1: as former leaders Bob Brown and Christine Milne. Another contentious
[13:48] Speaker 1: proposal to transform a vast area of Western Australia's Nullarbor
[13:52] Speaker 1: into a wind, solar and hydrogen-producing region is also privately
[13:56] Speaker 1: opposed by Senator McKim. Senator Waters also declined to answer
[14:00] Speaker 1: calls for help from activists fighting wind farms and significant
[14:04] Speaker 1: impacts on threatened species or vital remnant vegetation in New
[14:07] Speaker 1: South Wales, Victoria and Queensland. But that's now changing, apparently,
[14:13] Speaker 1: because the new leader, David Shoebridge, he's been a busy
[14:15] Speaker 1: boy today... He's told The Australian, and this will be
[14:18] Speaker 1: in the paper tomorrow, there is this clear and present
[14:21] Speaker 1: threat to our ecosystem coming from climate change and we
[14:24] Speaker 1: need to build the renewable future, we need to electrify
[14:27] Speaker 1: our economy. But, of course, he says, that isn't just
[14:31] Speaker 1: a blank check for thoughtless development. It's always going to
[14:34] Speaker 1: be a balancing act and we know we have to
[14:37] Speaker 1: do this at speed and scale. You always want to
[14:40] Speaker 1: make sure that protecting nature is front and centre of
[14:44] Speaker 1: the work we do. So the tune has changed. And
[14:48] Speaker 1: maybe now you'll see the Greens opposing renewable energy projects.
[14:53] Speaker 1: Watch this space. Now, One Nation had their Victorian campaign
[14:57] Speaker 1: launch yesterday, less than two months now until people get
[15:00] Speaker 1: the chance to boot out the Andrew-slash-Allen-slash-Carroll government, and it
[15:05] Speaker 1: looked like a pretty raucous event at Crown in Melbourne.
[15:09] Speaker 7: A rock star reception for one of Australian politics' most
[15:12] Speaker 7: polarising figures.
[15:19] Speaker 7: Pauline Hanson taking centre stage in Victoria for a crowd
[15:23] Speaker 7: convinced One Nation can shake up November's state election. The
[15:27] Speaker 7: Labor Premier said One Nation terrifies you.
[15:31] Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell Ben Carroll, if you're listening, Ben, don't
[15:33] Speaker 1: be scared of me. I'll tell you what, mate, he
[15:35] Speaker 1: should be scared of you. Yeah! And they put out
[15:46] Speaker 1: their policy platform. They'll hold all gang members accountable for
[15:50] Speaker 1: the actions of one member. They'll scrap the suburban rail loop.
[15:53] Speaker 1: They're getting rid of the state's treaty. They'll establish a
[15:56] Speaker 1: 24-hour bail court, amongst others. But it was a throwaway
[16:00] Speaker 1: line by Mark Nicholson that caught the media's attention. He's
[16:04] Speaker 1: running as a candidate. You probably would have seen him
[16:06] Speaker 1: on the channel here with Chris Kenny every week. He's
[16:08] Speaker 1: the bloke who makes the Please Explain cartoons.
[16:11] Speaker 9: A One Nation candidate has promised to lock up former
[16:14] Speaker 9: Victorian Premiers Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen if elected. Northern
[16:19] Speaker 9: Metropolitan candidate Mark Nicholson said the former leaders would be
[16:23] Speaker 9: imprisoned by Christmas at the party's campaign launch in Victoria.
[16:27] Speaker 1: One Nation's state election launch has been told former Premiers
[16:30] Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen should be locked up. The
[16:34] Speaker 1: claim came during a raucous event at Crown. Now, throwing
[16:38] Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen in jail was probably always
[16:42] Speaker 1: going to generate headlines. But, boy, has the media reported
[16:45] Speaker 1: it earnestly in the Herald Sun. One Nation has unveiled
[16:50] Speaker 1: its complete policy platform at the party's state election campaign launch,
[16:54] Speaker 1: amid promises that if elected, former premiers Daniel Andrews and
[16:57] Speaker 1: Jacinta Allen would be in prison by Christmas.
[17:01] Speaker 9: The age.
[17:02] Speaker 1: A prominent One Nation Victorian candidate has threatened to jail
[17:05] Speaker 1: former premiers Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen by Christmas... if
[17:09] Speaker 1: the insurgent right-wing party wins November's state election. The Guardian.
[17:14] Speaker 1: The Herald Sun reported... Of course, they say the Herald
[17:16] Speaker 1: Sun reported because they weren't allowed in the room. The
[17:19] Speaker 1: Herald Sun reported that Northern Metropolitan candidate and creator of
[17:23] Speaker 1: the parties, Please Explain cartoon Mark Nicholson, vowed at the
[17:25] Speaker 1: launch that if One Nation won the election, former premiers
[17:29] Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen would be in prison by Christmas. So,
[17:34] Speaker 1: if you're hearing and reading all of this, you're probably thinking...
[17:37] Speaker 1: that One Nation promised to jail Daniel Andrews and Jacinta
[17:40] Speaker 1: Allen by Christmas. That's literally what the Seven News report said. Well,
[17:46] Speaker 1: this is what Mark Nicholson actually said. Corruption thrives in darkness.
[17:54] Speaker 4: And, folks, we're going to turn on the lights.
[17:57] Speaker 1: And heads are going to rock. By the way, Dan Andrews,
[18:02] Speaker 1: Jacinta Allen, come in. Heads are going to roll if
[18:10] Speaker 1: I had it my way they'd be in prison. It
[18:12] Speaker 1: wasn't a promise to lock them up. There's no policy
[18:16] Speaker 1: to lock them up. I mean, a politician can't just
[18:19] Speaker 1: chuck someone in prison. They'd need to be arrested and
[18:22] Speaker 1: charged by police and prosecuted in court and then found
[18:25] Speaker 1: guilty of a crime by a judge before they could
[18:27] Speaker 1: be locked up. It wasn't a vow. It wasn't a
[18:30] Speaker 1: literal statement. It was expressing the sort of anger that
[18:34] Speaker 1: a lot of people in Victoria still feel for what
[18:37] Speaker 1: happened during COVID, for the fact that Melbourne was one
[18:40] Speaker 1: of the most locked-down cities in the world. I'm one
[18:42] Speaker 1: of them. I lived there for part of it. The
[18:45] Speaker 1: anger that they feel about corruption and money disappearing on
[18:49] Speaker 1: the big build. I mean, he was not literally standing
[18:51] Speaker 1: there saying, we are going to lock them up. That's
[18:54] Speaker 1: the context that's been missing from all of this. The
[18:58] Speaker 1: Australian's Victorian political editor, Anthony Galloway, wrote this on the
[19:02] Speaker 1: newspaper's website today... Now, I like Anthony's work in the Oz,
[19:05] Speaker 1: but come on. That's not what it was. Surely no
[19:29] Speaker 1: one actually believes that One Nation is planning to somehow
[19:33] Speaker 1: lock people up without them being charged and convicted of
[19:37] Speaker 1: a crime. Just calm down a bit. One of the
[19:40] Speaker 1: more accurate reports was actually by the ABC, funnily enough.
[19:44] Speaker 1: The story on their website said, Mr Nicholson led the
[19:47] Speaker 1: attendees in a rendition of Advanced Australia Fair... before making
[19:50] Speaker 1: an impassioned speech promising to hold the government to account
[19:53] Speaker 1: for the CFMEU corruption scandal. Quote, if I have it
[19:57] Speaker 1: my way, Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen, they'll be in
[20:00] Speaker 1: prison by Christmas, Mr Nicholson said. I mean, that actually
[20:03] Speaker 1: has a bit of context and it doesn't mischaracterise it
[20:07] Speaker 1: as a promise. See, it's... Not that hard. An interesting
[20:12] Speaker 1: story today in the News Corp papers about single-income families.
[20:16] Speaker 1: They're much less common than they used to be. That's
[20:19] Speaker 1: probably a statement of the bleeding obvious, but the numbers
[20:22] Speaker 1: are that a little over one in five households, 21.5%,
[20:25] Speaker 1: have a stay-at-home parent compared to 53% of families in 1980.
[20:31] Speaker 1: So that's a big shift. And here might be one
[20:34] Speaker 1: of the problems, according to this article. Recent analysis by
[20:37] Speaker 1: Conal Griffin, commissioned by advocacy group The Parenthood, found raising
[20:42] Speaker 1: one child now costs an Australian family around $ 17, 800 a year,
[20:48] Speaker 1: an 86% increase since 2003, which was then $ 9, 476 annually.
[20:54] Speaker 1: It's probably also a big reason that people aren't having
[20:59] Speaker 1: kids at all. But I thought this was interesting. The
[21:02] Speaker 1: story quotes a young mum, Miranda Anderson. She'd like to
[21:05] Speaker 1: be a stay-at-home mum, but she's had to go back
[21:07] Speaker 1: to work one day a week to make ends meet.
[21:09] Speaker 1: It says Ms Anderson is thankful for the leaps and
[21:12] Speaker 1: bounds women have made, saying it allowed her to build
[21:15] Speaker 1: her own career assets and financial autonomy as a young
[21:18] Speaker 1: working woman. But she fears, quote, the pendulum has swung
[21:22] Speaker 1: too far and now women like her no longer have
[21:26] Speaker 1: the choice to be a stay-at-home mum. She says there's
[21:30] Speaker 1: no-one saying this is a good thing. The expectation is
[21:33] Speaker 1: you just go back to work. There's no policy that
[21:36] Speaker 1: supports you in that. There's no financial gain. There's no-one
[21:40] Speaker 1: looking out for you. I just feel like the policies
[21:43] Speaker 1: haven't kept up with this ever-changing landscape of actually giving
[21:47] Speaker 1: women choice, especially those who choose to be a stay-at-home mum.
[21:52] Speaker 1: And I'm sure she's not the only one. I mean,
[21:54] Speaker 1: there are loads of families who'd love to have a
[21:57] Speaker 1: parent at home. Typically mum, but it doesn't have to
[21:59] Speaker 1: be mum. But it's just so much harder to do now.
[22:03] Speaker 1: Stay-at-home mums, they aren't really a thing anymore. Not simply
[22:07] Speaker 1: because it's more acceptable for women to work and there's
[22:10] Speaker 1: equality in the workplace and all the rest of it,
[22:12] Speaker 1: but because women have been forced to work. I mean,
[22:16] Speaker 1: it's not all that long ago that an Australian working-class
[22:19] Speaker 1: family could have one parent at home with the kids
[22:22] Speaker 1: and one at work. I'm 27, and that's the childhood
[22:26] Speaker 1: that my brother and I enjoyed. My father worked full-time
[22:29] Speaker 1: as a landscaper and then a horticulturalist. He still does that.
[22:33] Speaker 1: And my mother worked in retail one and a half
[22:35] Speaker 1: days a week, Thursday nights and Saturdays. So, yes, she
[22:39] Speaker 1: did work a little bit. But there was never a
[22:41] Speaker 1: time that either mum or dad wasn't home. We didn't
[22:45] Speaker 1: have to go to childcare or daycare or anything so
[22:48] Speaker 1: that they could go to work. That is the family
[22:51] Speaker 1: unit that they decided they wanted to have. They wanted
[22:54] Speaker 1: a parent at home to look after the kids..... at
[22:57] Speaker 1: all times. And they sacrificed stuff for that, sure. But
[23:02] Speaker 1: it wasn't impossible, you know? They bought a house in
[23:06] Speaker 1: 1997 in suburban Adelaide, worth a lot more now than
[23:09] Speaker 1: it was then. Had two boys within three years, shortly
[23:14] Speaker 1: after they got married. And we didn't struggle. Mum was
[23:17] Speaker 1: there every morning to run the show, make sure I
[23:20] Speaker 1: hauled my lazy bum out of bed. They had a mortgage,
[23:23] Speaker 1: they earned a modest income. We didn't go on big
[23:25] Speaker 1: holidays or anything like that. But we didn't struggle. I mean,
[23:29] Speaker 1: you know, maybe you were aware at some point that
[23:32] Speaker 1: money was a bit tight, but no-one was worried about
[23:35] Speaker 1: where the next meal was going to come from. And
[23:38] Speaker 1: that was once a normal way of life. But it
[23:41] Speaker 1: has in my lifetime, and particularly over the past decade,
[23:45] Speaker 1: all but evaporated. And an average young family today couldn't
[23:50] Speaker 1: dream of affording to live such a way, and they
[23:53] Speaker 1: probably don't own their own house either. And we're supposed
[23:56] Speaker 1: to believe that this is progress. I often return to
[24:00] Speaker 1: a quote from John Howard on these matters. I think
[24:04] Speaker 1: this is 2004 he said this. Running the economy well
[24:07] Speaker 1: only has a purpose if it delivers a human dividend,
[24:10] Speaker 1: if it delivers things for the Australian people. And that,
[24:14] Speaker 1: by and large, is no longer happening. The economy isn't
[24:18] Speaker 1: serving us. We are serving the economy. Having the ability
[24:23] Speaker 1: to affordably own a home and raise a family... is
[24:26] Speaker 1: essential to the survival of conservative thought. I worry about
[24:29] Speaker 1: it from that perspective. But it also happens to be
[24:32] Speaker 1: what's best for the country. You know, we may all
[24:35] Speaker 1: be good little worker bees earning taxes for the government
[24:38] Speaker 1: to spend so they can tell us how much they're doing,
[24:41] Speaker 1: but too many people now have no real investment in
[24:44] Speaker 1: their country through property or children. They have no skin
[24:48] Speaker 1: in the game. And if you follow that to its
[24:51] Speaker 1: logical conclusion, you don't really have a country at all.
[24:55] Speaker 1: Governments have constructed this economy where both parents have to
[25:00] Speaker 1: work in order to survive, because that's how the government
[25:03] Speaker 1: wants it to be. Makes you more reliant on government,
[25:06] Speaker 1: more reliant on welfare, less self-sufficient. But it's not right.
[25:11] Speaker 1: It's just not right. Young men and women may want
[25:16] Speaker 1: to have families and traditional family structures, but they just
[25:19] Speaker 1: can't do it. Unfortunately, the government would probably call that
[25:23] Speaker 1: a success. but it is really a massive societal failure. Alright,
[25:28] Speaker 1: coming up after the break, Lee Hanson and David Limbrick.
[25:30] Speaker 1: I'm interested to know what they think of David Shoebridge
[25:33] Speaker 1: going straight on the attack against Labor since becoming Greens
[25:36] Speaker 1: leader during the week. Don't go away. Welcome back. Caleb
[25:43] Speaker 1: Bond in for Paul for the foreseeable future. Let's get
[25:46] Speaker 1: into the panel. Joining me now, One Nation National Executive
[25:49] Speaker 1: Member Lee Hanson. and Victorian Libertarian Party leader David Limbrick.
[25:53] Speaker 1: Good to see you both, as always, on a Sunday night.
[25:56] Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. I went through the polling
[25:59] Speaker 1: at the top of the program that's just dropped from
[26:02] Speaker 1: Redbridge in the AFR. And, you know, the movement in
[26:06] Speaker 1: terms of two-party preferred and the primary vote isn't all
[26:10] Speaker 1: that exciting. But what I think is interesting is the
[26:14] Speaker 1: fact that the Prime Minister and the Treasurer have both
[26:18] Speaker 1: taken a significant hit in terms of their approval rating
[26:22] Speaker 1: in the past month. Lee, do you think maybe the
[26:26] Speaker 1: argument about government spending, and of course we've seen interest
[26:28] Speaker 1: rates go up in the past week, might actually be
[26:31] Speaker 1: starting to cut through?
[26:32] Speaker 10: 100%, Caleb.
[26:36] Speaker 6: I absolutely believe that families are struggling and Australians are
[26:40] Speaker 6: struggling and Labor government is sending everybody broke. And that
[26:45] Speaker 6: is exactly what we're seeing reflecting in these polls. People
[26:48] Speaker 6: are at breaking point. You know, the false promises, the
[26:51] Speaker 6: constant lies. You know, you look at the, what are we,
[26:55] Speaker 6: record rate rises in 15 years, the highest government spending
[27:00] Speaker 6: in 40 years outside of the pandemic. People can't see
[27:04] Speaker 6: light at the end of the tunnel. Your families are
[27:06] Speaker 6: struggling to put food on the table. They don't know
[27:08] Speaker 6: how they're going to cover the next mortgage, you know.
[27:10] Speaker 10: Rate increases.
[27:13] Speaker 6: And I was only speaking to a local pensioner last week,
[27:16] Speaker 6: and her heart broke when the next rate rise went up.
[27:19] Speaker 10: And she said.
[27:20] Speaker 6: I.
[27:24] Speaker 1: Think Lee's connection has dropped. We've lost Lee for a minute.
[27:28] Speaker 1: I'll just bring you in, David. You look at the
[27:31] Speaker 1: numbers I went through before in terms of Albanese enchanters,
[27:34] Speaker 1: but also the issue of economic management in this poll
[27:38] Speaker 1: has rocketed up the ranks in terms of its importance
[27:41] Speaker 1: to voters. Now, the sixth most important issue, it's gained
[27:44] Speaker 1: seven points in the past month. To be honest, I'm
[27:48] Speaker 1: surprised it's taken this long for people to catch on,
[27:52] Speaker 1: but maybe things are now just so bad that there
[27:55] Speaker 1: is no way to avoid it. You know, people are looking...
[27:57] Speaker 1: If you own a home, you're looking at potentially your
[27:59] Speaker 1: values going backwards. If you've got a mortgage, you're looking
[28:02] Speaker 1: at the fact that your interest rates are going up.
[28:04] Speaker 1: If you want to buy a home as a first-home buyer,
[28:06] Speaker 1: you're still really not any better off because the interest
[28:08] Speaker 1: rates have gone up. Government spending is all part of this.
[28:12] Speaker 1: Maybe it's getting through it.
[28:16] Speaker 8: Well, you can't hide the price of a loaf of bread, right?
[28:19] Speaker 8: And everyone knows that prices are going up in their
[28:23] Speaker 8: everyday living. And, you know, despite what the government says,
[28:26] Speaker 8: I'm with Milton Friedman on this one, inflation is always
[28:30] Speaker 8: a monetary issue. And that's caused by the government spending money,
[28:36] Speaker 8: issuing bonds and spending money, and that will just cause inflation.
[28:40] Speaker 8: When you've got more dollars chasing scarce goods, you'll end
[28:43] Speaker 8: up with inflation. And people end up hurting from it.
[28:46] Speaker 8: You know, I don't know whether you've been to see
[28:48] Speaker 8: the price of a steak recently. I like a steak myself. But, like,
[28:52] Speaker 8: they're a luxury item now to buy a steak for
[28:54] Speaker 8: your family. Whereas, you know, and lamb chops, you know,
[28:58] Speaker 8: these sorts of things used to be something that you
[29:00] Speaker 8: would have You know, fairly often, maybe once a week,
[29:03] Speaker 8: you might have some chops or a steak or something,
[29:05] Speaker 8: but it's a luxury item now. Most people just can't
[29:07] Speaker 8: afford it.
[29:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. The steak night at my local is
[29:11] Speaker 1: the way I get away with it because what you
[29:13] Speaker 1: pay for it there is cheaper than what you pay
[29:15] Speaker 1: in the supermarket. I don't know how they do it. Lee,
[29:18] Speaker 1: we've got you back. I think Annika Wells was sort
[29:20] Speaker 1: of interfering there. She... thought she'd used the digital duty
[29:23] Speaker 1: of care on you. She thought what you were saying
[29:25] Speaker 1: was harmful to the government. I'll let you finish the
[29:28] Speaker 1: point that you were making before, though, about the Prime
[29:31] Speaker 1: Minister and the Treasurer.
[29:34] Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks, Caleb. Not sure what happened there, but I
[29:38] Speaker 10: have to agree. Look, the cost of living is astronomical now.
[29:42] Speaker 10: People are struggling.
[29:43] Speaker 6: As I was saying, a local pensioner near me, she said, Lee,
[29:46] Speaker 6: I don't know what I'm going to do with the
[29:47] Speaker 6: rate increases. I'm already, you know, having the support of
[29:52] Speaker 6: having to get food from the local food cupboard, and
[29:55] Speaker 6: now with these rate increases, she said, I don't know
[29:57] Speaker 6: if I'm going to be able to keep my house.
[29:58] Speaker 10: She's a pensioner. Do you know what I mean?
[30:00] Speaker 6: Families are at breaking points. This country is going broke
[30:04] Speaker 6: and people do.
[30:05] Speaker 10: Not see light at the end of the tunnel.
[30:07] Speaker 6: And the constant lies from the Labor government, people are
[30:12] Speaker 6: starting to wake up. They're looking for an alternative government
[30:15] Speaker 6: and this is why we're seeing the change in the polls.
[30:17] Speaker 6: This is why One Nation's getting the support.
[30:20] Speaker 1: Well, your mother and the Coalition have both now called
[30:23] Speaker 1: for the Treasurer to resign. This was Tim Wilson. I
[30:31] Speaker 1: think we're waiting on that grab. Never mind, don't worry
[30:33] Speaker 1: about that. Tim Wilson, the Coalition and One Nation have
[30:38] Speaker 1: both said that Jim Chalmers ought to resign as Treasurer.
[30:42] Speaker 1: Of course, he probably should. He should buy rights. We've
[30:45] Speaker 1: got the grab now. Here it is.
[30:47] Speaker 4: This is a man who's actively stoked inflation because it
[30:51] Speaker 4: gives him windfall tax revenue because he can't manage his
[30:55] Speaker 4: budget and Australian households are poorer because he has been
[30:59] Speaker 4: a disastrous Treasurer.
[31:02] Speaker 1: Now, by rights, he probably should go, but the problem is, David,
[31:04] Speaker 1: with this government, they never admit anything is wrong. They
[31:09] Speaker 1: just back in everything to the nth degree, and that's
[31:12] Speaker 1: exactly what we've seen throughout the week from Chalmers, who,
[31:15] Speaker 1: despite all the available evidence in front of him, just
[31:18] Speaker 1: continues to say, well, we have problems with inflation because
[31:22] Speaker 1: of the private sector. That's what he was using this
[31:24] Speaker 1: morning on insiders. Or it's the war in the Middle East.
[31:28] Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with him.
[31:32] Speaker 8: Well, that's patently nonsense. You know, as I said before,
[31:35] Speaker 8: it's caused by expansion of the money supply is what
[31:37] Speaker 8: causes inflation ultimately. Other things might cause things to, you know,
[31:43] Speaker 8: individual prices to go up or down. But the only
[31:45] Speaker 8: thing that affects inflation..... like, economy-wide, is the expansion of
[31:50] Speaker 8: the money supply. But, I mean, I'm always a bit
[31:53] Speaker 8: careful about calling for someone to resign because I'm concerned
[31:56] Speaker 8: about who they're going to be replaced with. I'd want
[31:58] Speaker 8: to know that first before I called for his resignation. But,
[32:02] Speaker 8: you know, that said, like, it's very justified saying, well,
[32:05] Speaker 8: you know, they've been in government for a while now
[32:08] Speaker 8: and they've been doing everything that's wrong about getting inflation
[32:12] Speaker 8: under control.
[32:13] Speaker 1: Indeed. Just some breaking news, guys. The Sydney Roosters... have
[32:17] Speaker 1: beaten the Newcastle Knights, 19-18, and won the NRL Grand
[32:22] Speaker 1: Final tonight. They're the first team in history to win
[32:24] Speaker 1: the NRL Grand Final after conceding 50 points in a
[32:28] Speaker 1: season in what was a... close match that kept the
[32:30] Speaker 1: fans on the edge of their seat. 19-18. The poor
[32:33] Speaker 1: buggers coming up from Newcastle will be disappointed, I am sure,
[32:38] Speaker 1: and there'll be plenty more on that this evening on
[32:40] Speaker 1: the channel. But to get back into the chat, Lee,
[32:45] Speaker 1: you know, if they keep going down this road, I
[32:48] Speaker 1: think the government actually risks sliding even further. And I
[32:53] Speaker 1: thought that was pretty hard for them to do. I mean,
[32:55] Speaker 1: their primary is at historic lows and they just don't
[33:00] Speaker 1: seem to get how angry people really are at the
[33:03] Speaker 1: moment and that they can see that the government is
[33:06] Speaker 1: at fault here. It's almost like they want to hand
[33:10] Speaker 1: more voters over to your party.
[33:15] Speaker 10: It's called arrogance, Caleb. It's called ego and arrogance.
[33:19] Speaker 6: You know, if any decent person or leader out there realises, OK,
[33:22] Speaker 6: we've done something wrong, our plan's not working, what do
[33:25] Speaker 6: you do? You adjust, you adapt and you overcome. But instead,
[33:28] Speaker 6: they dig their heels in the ground. They don't want
[33:29] Speaker 6: to admit failure. They don't want to, you know, own
[33:33] Speaker 6: up to any responsibility whatsoever. And there's zero accountability, hence
[33:36] Speaker 6: for Pauline Hanson calling for his resignation. Because in the
[33:40] Speaker 6: real world, in any other corporate sector or any other job, if.
[33:44] Speaker 10: You underperform and you don't meet your targets and you
[33:47] Speaker 10: fail miserably... as our Treasurer has, you lose your job.
[33:52] Speaker 10: So what's the difference here?
[33:54] Speaker 6: Here we've got somebody who has enormous power and responsibility
[33:58] Speaker 6: for Australia, for our way of life, which.
[34:01] Speaker 10: Has diminished considerably.
[34:03] Speaker 6: And you were only talking about this not so long ago,
[34:06] Speaker 6: about the family way of life, of how that's changed.
[34:08] Speaker 6: So yes, You know, where's the accountability here? But instead
[34:13] Speaker 6: of owning up to their failures, they deflect and blame,
[34:16] Speaker 6: and only from Jim Chalmers' statement this morning, he's blaming
[34:19] Speaker 6: the people now. First it was the war, and now
[34:22] Speaker 6: it's the people's fault that inflation has arisen.
[34:25] Speaker 1: Seriously? Don't believe your lying eyes.
[34:27] Speaker 10: I can't understand human behaviour in a sense.
[34:29] Speaker 1: You're not the only one, Lee. Someone who has become
[34:34] Speaker 1: quite critical of the government in recent days, David Shoebridge,
[34:37] Speaker 1: of course, became the leader of the Greens during the week.
[34:41] Speaker 1: He seems to be a lot more up and about
[34:42] Speaker 1: than Larissa Waters was as leader. And he's very deliberately
[34:49] Speaker 1: gone after Labor. He's made this a point. He wants
[34:52] Speaker 1: to prosecute the case... against Labor. Here he was this
[34:55] Speaker 1: morning talking to Andrew Clennell on the channel.
[34:58] Speaker 3: It does seem a lot of messaging. You know, it
[35:01] Speaker 3: does seem a very long way from the Anthony Albanese
[35:04] Speaker 3: people thought they would get.
[35:06] Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to have substance.
[35:09] Speaker 3: And it seems very centralising. But fundamentally, it doesn't seem
[35:14] Speaker 3: to be helping Australians.
[35:16] Speaker 1: What have you made of his first few days, David?
[35:21] Speaker 8: Well, he's certainly far more, you know, taking a far
[35:24] Speaker 8: more aggressive tone. The Greens are very aware that they've
[35:27] Speaker 8: been in this rut for years now. Their sort of
[35:30] Speaker 8: baseline level support doesn't really change. Like, you know, whether
[35:34] Speaker 8: they do something good or do something bad, it doesn't
[35:36] Speaker 8: really seem to matter. They seem to sort of have
[35:39] Speaker 8: this sort of support level around 10%, 12%. I mean,
[35:42] Speaker 8: I've seen it in the Victorian Greens as well. They
[35:44] Speaker 8: do all this stuff trying to get media attention and
[35:46] Speaker 8: do all these things and nothing seems to change. And
[35:49] Speaker 8: so they've obviously decided that they need a change of style,
[35:53] Speaker 8: a change of direction, and they're trying this more aggressive tactic. But,
[35:57] Speaker 8: you know, it's interesting that everyone seems to be ganging
[36:01] Speaker 8: up on Labor at the moment, even the Greens. So
[36:03] Speaker 8: it's an interesting situation.
[36:05] Speaker 1: See, I suspect, Lee, that the Greens are really upset
[36:08] Speaker 1: that they've not been able to do what you've been
[36:10] Speaker 1: able to do, right? which is to capture some of
[36:14] Speaker 1: this anti-establishment sentiment. People are upset with the way things
[36:18] Speaker 1: are going, they're upset with the status quo, and One
[36:21] Speaker 1: Nation has been a major beneficiary of that. And while
[36:24] Speaker 1: One Nation has shot up, the Greens have basically gone nowhere.
[36:28] Speaker 1: And so I think maybe they're looking overseas, you know,
[36:31] Speaker 1: the Mamdani thing, and they're looking at Polanski with the
[36:34] Speaker 1: Greens in the UK and thinking, we've actually got to
[36:38] Speaker 1: get in, muscle in on a bit of this territory.
[36:44] Speaker 6: Look, potentially, but sadly, I still don't think it's going
[36:48] Speaker 6: to achieve what their hopes and dreams are. I mean,
[36:51] Speaker 6: if their tactic is to ensure that their new leader
[36:54] Speaker 6: does not meet any of their DEI targets and, in fact,
[36:56] Speaker 6: is a one-percenter, that their policies are set out to
[37:00] Speaker 6: diminish in this country, I find that a very unique tactic.
[37:04] Speaker 6: I'm not sure how that will resonate with their... substantive
[37:07] Speaker 6: voter base, because it goes against every policy and factor
[37:10] Speaker 6: that they advocate for out there.
[37:13] Speaker 10: But, hey, let's watch and see.
[37:15] Speaker 6: I think it's putting his flag in the sand and
[37:18] Speaker 6: trying to make a stand, and good on him. But
[37:20] Speaker 6: will the backdoor deals and backroom deals still happen on
[37:23] Speaker 6: the floor of Parliament between Labor and Greens?
[37:25] Speaker 1: Of course it will.
[37:26] Speaker 10: That's never going to change. You know, and whilst he
[37:29] Speaker 10: might be going out there and saying that.
[37:32] Speaker 6: Albanese doesn't resonate with the voters, well, what he stood for, well,
[37:35] Speaker 6: of course he doesn't, and that's why Fire the Liar
[37:38] Speaker 6: was so successful. But I am deeply, deeply worried if
[37:44] Speaker 6: what would be worse than the current situation with Labor
[37:47] Speaker 6: government would be if the Greens were in power, and
[37:51] Speaker 6: whether that be under David Shoebridge or any other Greens leader,
[37:54] Speaker 6: that would be an even tougher future ahead of us.
[37:57] Speaker 1: Well, indeed, look, you know, I thought there'd be nothing
[37:59] Speaker 1: scarier than a Labor-Greens government, but down in Tassie they've
[38:01] Speaker 1: got a Liberal-Greens government. I mean, that really is scary.
[38:05] Speaker 1: I want to ask you, David, obviously the state election
[38:09] Speaker 1: coming up, we're less than two months away now. Ben
[38:12] Speaker 1: Carroll's now saying he'll wind back a lot of these
[38:15] Speaker 1: changes that Daniel Andrews made to land tax, specifically the
[38:20] Speaker 1: threshold at which you start to pay land tax. I
[38:23] Speaker 1: suspect the damage is already done.
[38:28] Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean, I had heaps of people contact
[38:31] Speaker 8: my office when this change first happened, where they lowered
[38:35] Speaker 8: this threshold down to $ 50, 000. And all of a sudden,
[38:37] Speaker 8: tens of thousands of people that weren't in the net
[38:40] Speaker 8: for land tax all of a sudden had to pay
[38:42] Speaker 8: land tax. And on top of that, we've got the
[38:45] Speaker 8: COVID levy, which is on top of land tax as well.
[38:47] Speaker 8: and then for commercial and industrial properties, we've got this
[38:51] Speaker 8: foreign owner surcharge, and we've got all of these taxes,
[38:54] Speaker 8: and I think Labor's finally woken up that, hey, people
[38:58] Speaker 8: don't want to invest in Victoria because of all these taxes,
[39:01] Speaker 8: and it's a big problem. So, look, it's a welcome
[39:04] Speaker 8: thing that he's winding this back, but I feel like
[39:06] Speaker 8: it's just too little too late here.
[39:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed. And quickly, Lee, of course, there was the
[39:11] Speaker 1: One Nation campaign launch in Melbourne yesterday, and I talked
[39:14] Speaker 1: earlier about all this business that's been made out of
[39:16] Speaker 1: Mark Nicholson saying if he had it his way, Daniel
[39:19] Speaker 1: Andrews and Jacinta Allen would be locked up. It wasn't
[39:23] Speaker 1: a campaign promise, but a lot of the media has
[39:25] Speaker 1: made it out like it was.
[39:29] Speaker 3: OK.
[39:30] Speaker 1: On, Caleb.
[39:30] Speaker 6: We see it with the media, how everything's spun out
[39:32] Speaker 6: with no context. I do find it fascinating, as you said,
[39:35] Speaker 6: that the ABC were the only ones that provided actual
[39:38] Speaker 6: quotation context, which is fascinating to me for the first
[39:41] Speaker 6: time in history.
[39:42] Speaker 1: But, look, it was.
[39:45] Speaker 10: And Mark was speaking.
[39:47] Speaker 6: What the very vast majority of all Victorians would agree
[39:50] Speaker 6: with and have no doubt said themselves, if they had
[39:53] Speaker 6: their way, they would be in prison too for just
[39:56] Speaker 6: how bad the state has become with crime, with cost
[40:00] Speaker 6: of living, with everything that's going on, the corruption there
[40:03] Speaker 6: in the state and what everybody.
[40:04] Speaker 10: Including yourself, Caleb, had to live through with COVID. It's
[40:07] Speaker 10: just devastating.
[40:08] Speaker 6: But, of course, we see the headlines and how it's
[40:11] Speaker 6: twisted and it We're used to it.
[40:13] Speaker 10: It's just the next roll-on, right? We'll wait till tomorrow.
[40:16] Speaker 10: A new one will be out tomorrow, Caleb. We'll wait
[40:18] Speaker 10: and see.
[40:18] Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts you at all. Lee Hanson,
[40:20] Speaker 1: David Lindbergh, thank you for joining me. Still to come,
[40:22] Speaker 1: we'll cross to London for all the latest UK news,
[40:25] Speaker 1: including a terror pot.
[40:26] Speaker 7: A plot? Pot?
[40:28] Speaker 1: He might be in a pot if he's not careful.
[40:30] Speaker 1: Terror plot against Reform UK leader Nigel Farage. Don't go away.

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