# Paul Murray Live | 19 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 19 Mar 2026, 49 min.

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Category five Cyclone Narelle bears down on Queensland for first direct hit in a century, new polls reveal migrants want to 'pull up the drawbridge' on immigration. Plus, Chris Bowen claims no shortage as servos shut across NSW. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky new Setter. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you Cherry, have a good weekend. Come on into
[0:08] Speaker 1: the man cave, my friend. We've got an awful lot
[0:10] Speaker 1: to get to, so much work to be done, and
[0:13] Speaker 1: we begin with the shout out to our mates who
[0:14] Speaker 1: are watching us. In the far north of Australia. The
[0:17] Speaker 1: Cape is in trouble. In the next couple of days.
[0:19] Speaker 1: There is about to be a megacyclone which is going
[0:21] Speaker 1: to thump in. It'll make landfall within the next twenty
[0:24] Speaker 1: four hours. It is a category five.
[0:27] Speaker 2: Now.
[0:28] Speaker 1: Obviously the population centers not as big as a little
[0:32] Speaker 1: further down the line, but when Australians are suffering or
[0:35] Speaker 1: about to, they become our priority. Australia the number one
[0:38] Speaker 1: country in the world. People have been spending the day
[0:41] Speaker 1: today trying to do their best to prepare for what
[0:45] Speaker 1: is ahead. It is, of course the calm before the storm.
[0:49] Speaker 1: But the storm looks like, as I said, a category five.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Here are your fellow Australians doing their bit to batten
[0:55] Speaker 1: down the hatches. I would say it'll be a bit
[0:58] Speaker 1: of a shutdown at the moment in the Cape. Just
[1:00] Speaker 1: to see what happens over the next twenty four hours,
[1:03] Speaker 1: everyone's pans of everything or wood you on a holiday
[1:06] Speaker 1: because there's nothing happening up there. Good on your guys,
[1:10] Speaker 1: strength and love to all of our fellow Australians. The premiere, well,
[1:13] Speaker 1: he knows this part of the world very wellly of
[1:16] Speaker 1: course represents it, or at least the LMP does inside
[1:19] Speaker 1: the Parliament, but more importantly very important part to the
[1:23] Speaker 1: economy of Queensland. He is giving briefings this evening.
[1:27] Speaker 3: If you are in the warning zone, you have to
[1:30] Speaker 3: make your preparations. Now, you have to know your plan,
[1:33] Speaker 3: you have to talk to your friends and family and
[1:35] Speaker 3: you have to be prepared to execute that plan.
[1:37] Speaker 1: As for exactly what is about to happen, how hard
[1:40] Speaker 1: is it going to hit? Exactly when will scott is
[1:42] Speaker 1: weather all the way across it that.
[1:45] Speaker 3: Is of course on its way tropical cycle in Narrel
[1:47] Speaker 3: for the far north of queens and you can see
[1:49] Speaker 3: it here on the map behind me.
[1:50] Speaker 4: Now that is set to bring a heck of an impact.
[1:53] Speaker 3: So we're talking about winds in excess of two hundred
[1:55] Speaker 3: and fifty kilometers per hour as it hits the coast
[1:57] Speaker 3: on Friday morning, and then a whole bunch of rain
[1:59] Speaker 3: off the back of it to eventually tracking out to
[2:02] Speaker 3: the west and linking up with the Northern Territory.
[2:05] Speaker 1: Blimey, what happens in the North will of course continue
[2:08] Speaker 1: across and into the Northern Territory next week. Again, strength
[2:11] Speaker 1: to everyone who is involved. Now, what about old make
[2:14] Speaker 1: grim Jim Chalmers, the spin doctor of the Australian economy
[2:18] Speaker 1: out and about today, dropping a little bit of news,
[2:22] Speaker 1: hoping that you wouldn't be paying attention. Well, I was
[2:24] Speaker 1: for you now. He did so, of course, under the
[2:26] Speaker 1: cover of the war in Iran stretching now towards its
[2:30] Speaker 1: third week. He is of course also doing so at
[2:34] Speaker 1: a time when petrol big problem, if nothing else the
[2:37] Speaker 1: price of it, but of course the availability of all
[2:40] Speaker 1: of it. But he's also trying to set the scene
[2:42] Speaker 1: because they are trying to change the subject to the
[2:45] Speaker 1: expectations in and around the federal budget. Now, the truth
[2:48] Speaker 1: of the federal budget is that they spendlight drunken sailors.
[2:51] Speaker 1: And as we showed you all the way during the
[2:53] Speaker 1: last federal election campaign, it's how they helped buy that election.
[2:57] Speaker 1: They also told us we've turned the corner when it
[3:00] Speaker 1: had come to inflation. We hadn't interest rates We're going
[3:03] Speaker 1: to come down four or five more times. Well, no,
[3:06] Speaker 1: they've gone up two times and government spending has blown
[3:10] Speaker 1: out by more than twenty percent twenty percent in the
[3:13] Speaker 1: past ten years alone. And also just always pay attention
[3:19] Speaker 1: not to what politicians say, but to what they do.
[3:22] Speaker 1: Labor at every election tries to scare Australia and it's
[3:26] Speaker 1: very successful for them. People fall for this that when
[3:31] Speaker 1: the opposition sees a budget that is spending too much money,
[3:34] Speaker 1: that is having two deeper deficits with an expectation of
[3:37] Speaker 1: deficits for the next ten, twenty, thirty and potentially forty
[3:41] Speaker 1: years according to the treasury, that's our stuffed we are
[3:45] Speaker 1: right now. Well we might have to pull our horns
[3:47] Speaker 1: in a little here, a little there. Well if you
[3:49] Speaker 1: suggest that in opposition Labor and government says this, that shuts.
[3:54] Speaker 3: Hot cuts cuts, cut cuts, hutshut shuts hat cuts.
[3:59] Speaker 1: But then when they decide to well, spend a dollar
[4:04] Speaker 1: less here to go and spend three dollars over there,
[4:07] Speaker 1: what do they call it?
[4:09] Speaker 2: Savings?
[4:10] Speaker 5: Savings, saving savings, savings, saving, saving, saving, savings.
[4:15] Speaker 1: So don't you love it? It's all in the words,
[4:17] Speaker 1: but it's also in the actions. So as part of
[4:19] Speaker 1: the preview game, as part of trying to blame Orange
[4:22] Speaker 1: Man for everything, despite the fact that you know and
[4:24] Speaker 1: we will be relentless about it. Interest rates had already
[4:27] Speaker 1: gone up before the war. Inflation was higher than countries
[4:31] Speaker 1: like the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, higher in Australia. Yes,
[4:35] Speaker 1: it all gets worse from there, but our base is
[4:38] Speaker 1: going to be higher than the situation in other countries
[4:41] Speaker 1: as a result of fuel. Well, the beginning is now
[4:44] Speaker 1: starting to happen when it comes to the government trying
[4:46] Speaker 1: to set that table for what is happening when it
[4:48] Speaker 1: comes to the election, sorry to the budget coming up
[4:51] Speaker 1: in May. Well, interestingly, the outlook is for a straight
[4:54] Speaker 1: as productivity to go down. Well, hang on, wasn't one
[4:58] Speaker 1: of the reasons to vote for these mobs last year
[5:00] Speaker 1: was that they were going to do something about productivity.
[5:02] Speaker 1: Remember when they even had not one, not two, but
[5:05] Speaker 1: three full days in Canberra with many many weeks of
[5:07] Speaker 1: build up and bull dust beforehand for a productivity thummut
[5:12] Speaker 1: in August last year. In March of this year, they're
[5:16] Speaker 1: saying not we're going backwards oh yeah, there's also something
[5:21] Speaker 1: else in that headline that you may well notice. Migration up.
[5:28] Speaker 1: They told lies about how many people were going to
[5:32] Speaker 1: come into the country. Let me show you the receipts
[5:35] Speaker 1: and the financial review. John key O, writing today about
[5:38] Speaker 1: this speech, bells the cat. Despite Treasury now expecting net
[5:43] Speaker 1: migration to be higher higher than expected at above three
[5:49] Speaker 1: hundred thousand, and that number of three hundred thousand, I
[5:54] Speaker 1: want you to keep in your dome because a few
[5:58] Speaker 1: months ago last year, the same publication pointed out that
[6:03] Speaker 1: labor was already overshooting the lies that they told in
[6:08] Speaker 1: the last budget during the federal election campaign, and in
[6:12] Speaker 1: fact migration was going to be fifteen percent higher than
[6:16] Speaker 1: what they said. Migration is likely to be fifteen percent
[6:20] Speaker 1: higher this year than Treasury had forecast. After the government
[6:23] Speaker 1: quietly sped up the process of international student visas by
[6:28] Speaker 1: lyiring the risk ratings for thirteen universities, Treasury has fought
[6:33] Speaker 1: passd a net migration of two hundred and sixty thousand,
[6:38] Speaker 1: so now we're talking about three hundred thousand. In speeches today,
[6:42] Speaker 1: they promised two hundred and sixty thousand, Those forty thousand
[6:47] Speaker 1: extra student places and an insider and a former Head
[6:52] Speaker 1: of Treasury, Abdul Rizvi says going forward, net migration will
[6:57] Speaker 1: probably be around three hundred thousand dollars under current policy settings.
[7:03] Speaker 1: So last year they were blowing out their targets. This
[7:08] Speaker 1: year they are blowing past the blowout of their targets.
[7:14] Speaker 1: No wonder Australians are passionate about this issue because you
[7:17] Speaker 1: know what's happening in your suburb, you know what's happening
[7:20] Speaker 1: in your city. You know that there is no problem
[7:24] Speaker 1: with people who come from somewhere else, who speak other languages,
[7:27] Speaker 1: who have other beliefs in a god. The whole point
[7:30] Speaker 1: is when it comes to ever increasing migration in this country,
[7:34] Speaker 1: that is another person competing for a house. That's another
[7:37] Speaker 1: person competing for the rental. That's another person that you
[7:41] Speaker 1: have to sit with on the motorways. That's another person
[7:45] Speaker 1: who may well end up clogging up the hospital ramping
[7:48] Speaker 1: system so you might get through to TRIPLEO in Victoria.
[7:51] Speaker 1: That system, of course, is one dependent more impendant paper
[7:54] Speaker 1: than in computers. Hospital ramping is terrible everywhere. Remember when
[7:58] Speaker 1: Malanawskus had said before the state election, Oh, we're definitely
[8:01] Speaker 1: gonna do something about hospital ramping. It's worse after four years,
[8:05] Speaker 1: the same in every single state around the country. You
[8:07] Speaker 1: keep adding more people, it's more demand, it's more pressure.
[8:13] Speaker 1: And to get through an election, Oh, we're going to
[8:15] Speaker 1: do something about migration. Reality, they blow the target and
[8:18] Speaker 1: now they're blowing past the blowout in the target. So
[8:22] Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see what an opinion poll says today,
[8:25] Speaker 1: which surprise surprise is the people who are already in
[8:27] Speaker 1: Australia want to pull up the drawbridge. And I'm not
[8:30] Speaker 1: talking about people whose family go back to the first fleet.
[8:33] Speaker 1: I'm talking of about people who may well have arrived
[8:35] Speaker 1: here in the past twenty years or their parents turned
[8:38] Speaker 1: up in the past thirty years. First generation migrants aren't
[8:44] Speaker 1: just as likely as all other voters to want to
[8:47] Speaker 1: pull up the drawbridge on mass migration, busting the myth
[8:50] Speaker 1: the political parties have to be in favor of large
[8:52] Speaker 1: scale immigration. According to a national poll, almost two thousand people.
[8:57] Speaker 1: That's more than we would get out of say a
[8:58] Speaker 1: news poll, so as statistic that matters. For the Fox
[9:01] Speaker 1: and Hedgehog organization. For the Institute of Public Affairs, fifty
[9:05] Speaker 1: eight percent of respondents want to see a monstill significant
[9:08] Speaker 1: cut to Australia's immigration intake. Don't you love when the
[9:12] Speaker 1: polls back in what the government wants? Well, it's what
[9:14] Speaker 1: people want. It's what people want when the polls every
[9:17] Speaker 1: time tell them they're in the wrong place. Nothing to
[9:20] Speaker 1: see here. Sixty percent of Australians also agree that there
[9:23] Speaker 1: are too many migrants in Australia, something that was supported
[9:27] Speaker 1: by forty two percent, forty two percent of non citizens
[9:33] Speaker 1: and sixty percent of first generation Australians. Among Australians who
[9:37] Speaker 1: wanted to see migration numbers slashed, seventy nine percent said
[9:42] Speaker 1: that they want a rate of one hundred thousand new arrivals.
[9:47] Speaker 1: What was that number you had to have in your head,
[9:48] Speaker 1: because here's the time for the quiz, three hundred thousand.
[9:53] Speaker 1: They said two hundred and sixty. So that's double and
[9:56] Speaker 1: a bit from what Australians, according to this pole want. Instead,
[10:01] Speaker 1: it's going to be more than three hundred, So it's
[10:04] Speaker 1: going to be three times what people want, and most
[10:06] Speaker 1: likely it reaches beyond three hundred and we start to
[10:09] Speaker 1: get towards three point fifty. The consequence of which is
[10:14] Speaker 1: all of that competition for a house all of those
[10:18] Speaker 1: other hands that go up when you are bidding at
[10:21] Speaker 1: an auction, all of those other people who quite rightly
[10:24] Speaker 1: have every right to find a place to live for
[10:26] Speaker 1: their family. But they compete with every existing Australian, be
[10:30] Speaker 1: they one born here or one who has become here
[10:33] Speaker 1: prior to twenty twenty five. Three mcgs bang bang bang.
[10:44] Speaker 1: That is more than the population of the Northern Territory.
[10:49] Speaker 1: It is close to the population of some of our
[10:54] Speaker 1: smaller states. That is what we are adding to the joint.
[10:56] Speaker 1: Why because of the Ponzi scheme. Why the triangle of dependence?
[11:01] Speaker 1: Why because government wants big Australia. Why because big Australia
[11:08] Speaker 1: equals big dependance. It is big dependence, either through welfare,
[11:13] Speaker 1: big dependence on people who work for the state, or
[11:16] Speaker 1: the single biggest source of revenue to the private sector.
[11:20] Speaker 1: It ends up being the government. So no one rocks
[11:23] Speaker 1: the boat and you end up with Victoria. God love
[11:26] Speaker 1: everyone watching us. Who are the free thinkers in Victoria?
[11:28] Speaker 1: But we know until we see an election result that's different.
[11:33] Speaker 1: They've got that joint absolutely stitched up. Now Queensland found
[11:36] Speaker 1: a way out. They did so by giving that idiot
[11:39] Speaker 1: miles and i'd palichet the boot. May the same happen
[11:44] Speaker 1: in November in Victoria, but we will all watch NC
[11:47] Speaker 1: together no surprise. But the One Party who is where
[11:51] Speaker 1: the majority of Australians are on migration and again, majority
[11:55] Speaker 1: of Australians born here or may will have just recently
[11:57] Speaker 1: arrived here. But the people who are here now is
[12:01] Speaker 1: surging in one of the states that is absolutely a
[12:05] Speaker 1: drop off point for this mass migration. One Nation is
[12:10] Speaker 1: up twenty one percent in the New South Wales state
[12:16] Speaker 1: election that is one year away from now. They are
[12:19] Speaker 1: up twenty one percent. The vote comes from Labor, it
[12:24] Speaker 1: comes from the coalition, and while all roads will eventually
[12:28] Speaker 1: point to most likely preferences putting the Labor Party back
[12:32] Speaker 1: in at the next election, that number will make a
[12:35] Speaker 1: very significant change to the Upper House. And the Upper
[12:38] Speaker 1: House in New South Wales is raisee thin margins. And
[12:41] Speaker 1: remember there is no leader. There is no one of
[12:43] Speaker 1: any profile who is representing the One Nation ticket. It
[12:47] Speaker 1: is essentially the none of the above, the Monte Brewster approach.
[12:51] Speaker 1: If you remember that wonderful film from Richard Pryor back
[12:53] Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties where none of the above won
[12:56] Speaker 1: a mayoral election in that fictitious one. None of the
[12:59] Speaker 1: above is currently powering in Victoria, in New South Wales,
[13:03] Speaker 1: and of course in South Australia their election coming up
[13:05] Speaker 1: this weekend. I'll do a deep dive on that in
[13:08] Speaker 1: a moment or two's time. But Paul Enhansen as we
[13:10] Speaker 1: speak is in South Australia cheering on Corey Benardi and
[13:13] Speaker 1: a team of One Nation candidates that will be running
[13:16] Speaker 1: in every seat and clapped on by an awful lot
[13:18] Speaker 1: of people that, by the way, is happening out the
[13:21] Speaker 1: front or actually in the I think that's the Bruntle
[13:24] Speaker 1: Street mall right in the middle, slap bang, Central Adelaide.
[13:28] Speaker 1: She getting stopped for selfies everywhere. Imagine what it's like
[13:31] Speaker 1: once you go ten k's out, twenty k's out, an
[13:33] Speaker 1: hour out, two hours out. We know what's coming because
[13:37] Speaker 1: we know the bush. The Bush will have its say
[13:39] Speaker 1: on Saturday night. Now to the matter of petrol, and
[13:44] Speaker 1: of course this is not the crisis that you think
[13:46] Speaker 1: it is, despite the fact that the price is upp up, up,
[13:49] Speaker 1: up diesel now pushing its way towards the deep two
[13:54] Speaker 1: dollars seventy two dollars eighty all other forms of petrol
[13:58] Speaker 1: well above the two dollars margin. Remember, for every leader
[14:01] Speaker 1: you put into your car, fifty freaking sense. Fifty freaking
[14:06] Speaker 1: sense is the amount of money that goes to the
[14:09] Speaker 1: federal government. Remember they wanted to have a little party
[14:12] Speaker 1: for themselves when they froze beer indexation. They didn't do
[14:14] Speaker 1: it to petrol. Why because there's more petrol that will
[14:18] Speaker 1: flow in terms of leaders and therefore more opportunities for
[14:21] Speaker 1: tax Watch what they do, not what they say when
[14:24] Speaker 1: it comes to migration, when it comes to the budget,
[14:26] Speaker 1: when it comes to the decisions that they make that
[14:30] Speaker 1: are always in their interest, never never truly in yours.
[14:36] Speaker 1: So while mate Chris barn was out and about, of
[14:38] Speaker 1: course saying nothing to see here, no shortage. If he
[14:40] Speaker 1: say this all week, well someone might want to tell
[14:43] Speaker 1: him that diesel has run out and at least eighty
[14:46] Speaker 1: petrol stations. This is just in one state. Eighty petrol
[14:50] Speaker 1: stations across New South Wales. Half of those surveys are
[14:54] Speaker 1: out of all fuel everywhere. Again, Prime Minister today oh
[14:59] Speaker 1: is making the big calls right. He had another meeting
[15:02] Speaker 1: as opposed to the one he had before and the
[15:03] Speaker 1: one before he had that. And he is saying despite
[15:06] Speaker 1: the fact that there are in one state alone, biggest
[15:08] Speaker 1: by population state in the country, eighty petrol stations with
[15:12] Speaker 1: bugger all diesel. Diesel needed for the trucks, for the
[15:15] Speaker 1: farm equipment, for the machinery. But because this bloke has
[15:19] Speaker 1: not worked a day in his life. Remember the only
[15:21] Speaker 1: sign of him in the private sector was one year
[15:23] Speaker 1: as a bank teller in nineteen eighty four.
[15:28] Speaker 5: There is not less fuel in Australia today than there
[15:31] Speaker 5: was three weeks ago. There is not less supply.
[15:35] Speaker 1: This is unbelievable, right, You are not supposed to believe
[15:39] Speaker 1: your lion eyes if you are like that couple that
[15:43] Speaker 1: we had on earlier in the week, Olivia and Robert,
[15:46] Speaker 1: remember the ones who were from Victorian and they had
[15:49] Speaker 1: the winery. Thankfully we were able to help them out.
[15:51] Speaker 1: There were them under a state. We were able to
[15:53] Speaker 1: help them out there in the Yarra Valley. They had
[15:56] Speaker 1: no diesel at the start of the week. The only
[15:58] Speaker 1: reason they had diesel to be able to pick the
[16:00] Speaker 1: crops with the machinery that they needed was because somebody
[16:03] Speaker 1: else was watching this program when they were raising their concerns.
[16:08] Speaker 1: Government didn't help. They made down the road who was
[16:11] Speaker 1: watching us on TV? And again, I'm so thankful for it,
[16:14] Speaker 1: and I love every time every time I ask for
[16:18] Speaker 1: help in any way, shape or form, the people who
[16:20] Speaker 1: are watching this show, you jump, you help us out
[16:22] Speaker 1: each and every time. I'm forever thankful to you for that,
[16:24] Speaker 1: and I never never take it for granted. Well, those
[16:28] Speaker 1: people don't exist, that's not real. Apparently all there's no
[16:30] Speaker 1: problem with the fuel, the eighty petro stations in one state.
[16:34] Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, no problems. Of course, the problem
[16:37] Speaker 1: is you because of the panic buying. Now, apparently I'm
[16:40] Speaker 1: part of the panic buying because I waited until it
[16:44] Speaker 1: was e and then about thirty kilometers later before I
[16:47] Speaker 1: went and got a little bit of diesel.
[16:49] Speaker 5: Today, this is an issue, has been an issue of
[16:54] Speaker 5: increased demand. Please do not take more fuel than you need.
[16:59] Speaker 5: That is how you can help. It's a Australian way.
[17:04] Speaker 1: Who is taking more? Don't you love that? Of all
[17:06] Speaker 1: of the conversation and all of the push right. Yes,
[17:10] Speaker 1: I've seen a few people with Jerry cans. Yes, I
[17:12] Speaker 1: know there's some Jerry cans that are being sold at Bunnings.
[17:15] Speaker 1: But if everyone is taking too much, so much so
[17:18] Speaker 1: that eighty petrol stations in New South Wales run out
[17:22] Speaker 1: of diesel, forty of those no petrol whatsoever. You'd think
[17:26] Speaker 1: someone somewhere would have a few social media videos of
[17:29] Speaker 1: somebody actually buying more than they should. Where is everyone
[17:35] Speaker 1: taking more than they should? I keep the eyes peeled.
[17:39] Speaker 1: I go different ways to work. I even go over
[17:41] Speaker 1: to the other side of town to go and have
[17:43] Speaker 1: a look, to say, where is this mythical extra buying
[17:45] Speaker 1: going on? Because I don't say it on the front
[17:47] Speaker 1: page of the paper. And you know that the media
[17:49] Speaker 1: that wants to prop this bloke up almost said it.
[17:53] Speaker 1: Prop this bloke up. They'd be the first to show
[17:55] Speaker 1: photos of people who somehow secretly you know, I don't know,
[18:00] Speaker 1: the cup holders with extra bits of diesel, but it
[18:04] Speaker 1: ain't there. But unbelievably and unsurprisingly, the solution to all
[18:10] Speaker 1: of this is blame Australians while taxing Australians more than
[18:16] Speaker 1: you ever had before, and then duck shoving the blame
[18:23] Speaker 1: to this Sheila who has been put in charge today
[18:25] Speaker 1: as the Petrol Czar. And just like the Prime Minister
[18:30] Speaker 1: showed us with the Bondai Royal Commission that when he
[18:34] Speaker 1: put that Royal Commission in place. Remember it's a Royal
[18:37] Speaker 1: Commission that has its interim report, interim report that is
[18:41] Speaker 1: coming out at the end of next month. It has
[18:42] Speaker 1: had one day one day of public hearings, zero public witnesses,
[18:47] Speaker 1: and we can't possibly talk about the reason for the
[18:50] Speaker 1: Royal Commission because BONDI right, couldn't possibly talk about that.
[18:56] Speaker 1: So he of course was smothering the place, slow playing
[18:58] Speaker 1: the ball, which means I believe the Royal Commission is
[19:02] Speaker 1: going to be a face. It is up to the
[19:03] Speaker 1: raw Commission to have proved me wrong. But we'll all
[19:04] Speaker 1: find out together. So what does he do? He wheels
[19:08] Speaker 1: in today the person that you just saw, a person who,
[19:12] Speaker 1: by the way, as far as I understand, is not
[19:15] Speaker 1: an incredible expert in logistics as best as I know,
[19:19] Speaker 1: didn't used to work for Toll or Lynn Fox or
[19:21] Speaker 1: any of those other big logistics companies. No, according to her,
[19:26] Speaker 1: LinkedIn an awful lot of climate change gear. Oh, help
[19:30] Speaker 1: build the Climate change Authority. So let's be clear. The
[19:33] Speaker 1: person who is showing us that with her professional expertise,
[19:36] Speaker 1: she wants Astruate to use less fossil fuel is going
[19:39] Speaker 1: to be responsible for the flowing of fossil fuel around
[19:42] Speaker 1: the country at a time when the Prime Minister says,
[19:44] Speaker 1: nothing to see here, but will take the tax, and
[19:48] Speaker 1: dozens of joints are running out of diesel. They think
[19:54] Speaker 1: you are stupid. I know you are not, and I
[19:57] Speaker 1: know that it is us that No.
[20:00] Speaker 6: You know.
[20:00] Speaker 1: The reason I go through and show you the numbers
[20:02] Speaker 1: and show you the receipts is so when inevitably some
[20:05] Speaker 1: person claims they know more than you at the pub
[20:08] Speaker 1: or across the table, No, you know more. As I
[20:12] Speaker 1: often say, pull my leg because fedigan the other one
[20:15] Speaker 1: plays jingle bells. They are a disgrace. Now, I have
[20:22] Speaker 1: quite a soft spot for Australians who work longer than
[20:25] Speaker 1: they have to. And I'm not talking about each and
[20:27] Speaker 1: every day. I'm talking about year on year on year.
[20:31] Speaker 1: Now recent years we've pushed out the retirement age. By law,
[20:34] Speaker 1: of course, we have to put money in our superannuation,
[20:36] Speaker 1: supposedly to help pay for the back nine of our life.
[20:40] Speaker 1: The reality of that, of course, is that people even
[20:42] Speaker 1: if they've got a couple hundred thousand dollars, it's not enough.
[20:45] Speaker 1: It's certainly not enough once you get into the age
[20:47] Speaker 1: care system. And I've talked about this for a long time,
[20:49] Speaker 1: but there is an ism in Australia that never, never,
[20:53] Speaker 1: never gets the attention that it should. We talk about
[20:57] Speaker 1: all sorts of isms, right, what about ageism? This is
[21:02] Speaker 1: the discrimination against people because of how old they are.
[21:07] Speaker 1: It happens too frequently in terms of the workplace. Now,
[21:12] Speaker 1: as we told you last night, one in five companies
[21:15] Speaker 1: are expecting retrenchments by the end of this month. A
[21:19] Speaker 1: whole bunch of AI is coming through. And yes, once
[21:22] Speaker 1: you end up having a family, or you're a little
[21:24] Speaker 1: bit older and you remember a world that was a
[21:26] Speaker 1: whole lot less woke, and you believe in a thing
[21:28] Speaker 1: called logic, they slowly but sure you shove you out
[21:30] Speaker 1: the door. There are plenty of stories that I can
[21:35] Speaker 1: show you about how people have had their retirement plans
[21:38] Speaker 1: in part destroyed. Why because I've got to keep working?
[21:42] Speaker 1: Why because I've got to pay for everything? And then
[21:44] Speaker 1: some smart ass turns around and says, well, you're a
[21:47] Speaker 1: burmer and you've stolen all the money and you ruin
[21:49] Speaker 1: the planet. Stick it up your jumper. What about the
[21:52] Speaker 1: example of a person who wants to work, is skilled
[21:54] Speaker 1: to work, knows what they're doing, has to end up
[21:57] Speaker 1: doing dozens of applications for jobs. No innyview is why
[22:01] Speaker 1: because the number the numbers a little bit too high,
[22:04] Speaker 1: and the number could have a six in front of it,
[22:06] Speaker 1: a five in front of it, or even sometimes a
[22:08] Speaker 1: four in front of it, and they won't talk. Well,
[22:11] Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you about some numbers that
[22:12] Speaker 1: come from the Bureau of Statistics. Seventeen thousand, nine hundred
[22:16] Speaker 1: Astralians over the age of fifty five are looking for work.
[22:20] Speaker 1: Seventeen thousand, nine hundred. That is a football stadium of
[22:24] Speaker 1: people over the age of fifty five who are looking
[22:26] Speaker 1: for work and a bin unemployed for between one and
[22:29] Speaker 1: two years. That's up in the Charmers Albo economy from
[22:35] Speaker 1: thirteen thousand, four hundred in just December, in a one
[22:38] Speaker 1: month jump. It was what four and a half thousand
[22:41] Speaker 1: people think of those numbers, four and a half thousand
[22:44] Speaker 1: extra people added to the football stadium of people over
[22:47] Speaker 1: the age of fifty five looking for a job, the
[22:48] Speaker 1: eighty service stations that are out of fuel, and the
[22:51] Speaker 1: three hundred thousand plus that are going to come into
[22:56] Speaker 1: the country. When most people only one hundred thousand people
[22:58] Speaker 1: in the same age groups and have been looking for
[23:01] Speaker 1: work for six to twelve months, thirteen six hundred have
[23:04] Speaker 1: been looking for over two years. Research for the Australian
[23:08] Speaker 1: HR Institute and Human Rights Commission found that last year
[23:14] Speaker 1: more than half of employers and HR professionals reported having
[23:19] Speaker 1: to having hard to fill vacancies, but eighteen percent said
[23:22] Speaker 1: they were not willing to hire people over the age
[23:25] Speaker 1: of sixty five. So they've got eighteen percent of jobs
[23:28] Speaker 1: that are hard to follow. Who could they fill them
[23:30] Speaker 1: with people old enough and experienced enough? But will they
[23:33] Speaker 1: put you in the job?
[23:33] Speaker 2: No?
[23:35] Speaker 1: Racism, techism, agism, the one ism that absolutely matters and
[23:42] Speaker 1: deserves to be discussed in exactly the same way with
[23:44] Speaker 1: exactly the same urgency. All right, let's talk about South
[23:49] Speaker 1: Australia and a couple of days to go before the
[23:51] Speaker 1: South Australian election. Now we are fascinated about this because
[23:55] Speaker 1: Corey Benardi back in Australian politics, our mate back in
[23:58] Speaker 1: the game. He of course broke the news on this
[24:02] Speaker 1: show that he was back a few weeks ago, and
[24:04] Speaker 1: it looks like he is going to be returned to
[24:06] Speaker 1: the Parliament. But who comes with him. Well, as you know,
[24:09] Speaker 1: Peter malanowskis the Labor leader, the Liberal leader who may
[24:13] Speaker 1: well be able to hold onto his seat, and the
[24:15] Speaker 1: factor of One Nation will be part of the conversation.
[24:17] Speaker 1: You can see my little ugly mug bear second from
[24:20] Speaker 1: the left. I'll be part of that coverage six pm
[24:24] Speaker 1: six point thirty local time, and I'm going to be
[24:27] Speaker 1: with One Nation to see how they go, and have
[24:30] Speaker 1: all of the key players, so we'll be right across it.
[24:32] Speaker 1: So put, simply, expectation is South Australian Premier Peter malanowskis
[24:37] Speaker 1: of the forty seven seats in the Parliament. He could
[24:39] Speaker 1: push very close to forty or maybe even past forty,
[24:44] Speaker 1: can you believe it? The Libs, well, they could go
[24:47] Speaker 1: down to zero. But I'm just going to make a
[24:49] Speaker 1: rough prediction here that I would suggested that the leader
[24:51] Speaker 1: might be able to hold onto her own seat. A
[24:54] Speaker 1: good day for them is one or better. And again
[24:58] Speaker 1: Cory Bernardi sitting in this box seat, and why because
[25:01] Speaker 1: it's not just an upper house play, even though he
[25:03] Speaker 1: would most likely be guaranteed why they got a seat
[25:06] Speaker 1: last time, but as his numbers rise, more people will
[25:09] Speaker 1: be able to come with him. How does that happen?
[25:12] Speaker 1: Because the fox and hedgehog pole. I do love the
[25:16] Speaker 1: name of that pole. By the way, this sounds like
[25:18] Speaker 1: a fox on a hand. Wasn't that something a Disney
[25:20] Speaker 1: movie or something. Just pay attention to the right column there. Okay,
[25:23] Speaker 1: in the city fifteen percent of people, so they're going
[25:25] Speaker 1: to vote one nation. In the suburbs of Adelaide twenty percent.
[25:28] Speaker 1: And it is actually the other way around, where it's
[25:31] Speaker 1: twenty percent of the lives twenty five percent for one nation.
[25:36] Speaker 1: It'll be fascinating to see. Now in terms of regional seats, yes,
[25:41] Speaker 1: the majority are close to Adelaide. But there's Chaffee, which
[25:45] Speaker 1: is near Renmark. We've done an ourtown from there, Flinders
[25:48] Speaker 1: which is in the Air Peninsula. We've done an ourtown
[25:50] Speaker 1: from there, Jiles which is in Wyala, We've done ourtown
[25:53] Speaker 1: from there. We've got to get to Narracout where McKillop is,
[25:56] Speaker 1: and we've got to do Cooper Peedie. That's McKillop and Stewart.
[26:00] Speaker 2: Why am I.
[26:01] Speaker 1: Pointing on all of these out to you, because if
[26:02] Speaker 1: you've got the pen and paper, these are some of
[26:03] Speaker 1: the ones that one nation might show the strength in,
[26:06] Speaker 1: but also a lot of people have already voted. Now
[26:08] Speaker 1: I'm trying to work out and push the people as
[26:11] Speaker 1: hard as I can to work out do one nation
[26:12] Speaker 1: people vote early or do they vote late. Now, these
[26:15] Speaker 1: are the numbers as late as Wednesday. Obviously massive update today,
[26:19] Speaker 1: massive update tomorrow. That means we're probably going to get
[26:21] Speaker 1: to forty percent in some of these seats. As you
[26:25] Speaker 1: can see, the one around Renmark, about thirty one percent
[26:27] Speaker 1: have already voted, the one around the Air Peninsula thirty five.
[26:31] Speaker 1: In Giles it's higher at thirty six, the one at
[26:34] Speaker 1: Narracut thirty one, and Stuart Cooper Petie twenty eight. So
[26:39] Speaker 1: about a third to a little higher have already voted. Now,
[26:43] Speaker 1: why does all of this matter? Because if one nation
[26:47] Speaker 1: gets thirty percent in lots of seats but it doesn't
[26:49] Speaker 1: get the preferences, it won't win the seat. But if
[26:52] Speaker 1: there's thirty percent of the vote in seats, or it
[26:55] Speaker 1: has across the entire state ten percent, it'll be way
[26:59] Speaker 1: better than that last time twenty percent. Obviously way better.
[27:03] Speaker 1: Now they won't get to thirty percent well statewide but
[27:07] Speaker 1: even at ten percent. While people will try and spin
[27:09] Speaker 1: you od it's not like the polls, it's way better
[27:11] Speaker 1: than they did at the last state election. Why because
[27:13] Speaker 1: we have those receipts too. Let me sort of get
[27:17] Speaker 1: in early before people start to say, what is the
[27:19] Speaker 1: success and failure of One Nation? If they don't get
[27:23] Speaker 1: Corey Bernardi elected to the Upper House, yeah, that's the failure.
[27:26] Speaker 1: If they can get a second person into the Upper House,
[27:28] Speaker 1: that's the success. If they can push close in lower
[27:32] Speaker 1: House seats, that's an even greater success. But if you
[27:35] Speaker 1: can have a look here in the Upper House of
[27:37] Speaker 1: South Australia, and these numbers show you that when the
[27:42] Speaker 1: One Nation vote was just four percent, it is now
[27:45] Speaker 1: running statewide at twenty one percent. They got one seat.
[27:51] Speaker 1: The Libs previously at thirty four percent, they are now
[27:54] Speaker 1: eighteen percent. They had four seats, So you can start
[27:57] Speaker 1: to do the mats about an extra one and maybe
[27:59] Speaker 1: an extra two for those counting along at home. Labor
[28:04] Speaker 1: down from the last election, Liberals way down from the
[28:07] Speaker 1: last election, Greens up from the last election, One Nation
[28:11] Speaker 1: bolting from the last election, and others independence and other
[28:15] Speaker 1: minor parties. We will be there Saturday Night with Corey
[28:18] Speaker 1: Bernardi with Pauline Hanson with the team, the candidates and
[28:21] Speaker 1: the inside. Join us here on sky News looking forward
[28:24] Speaker 1: to wall of that in the moment of Tues time.
[28:25] Speaker 1: All right, quick break back with more lots to talk
[28:27] Speaker 1: about here on Paul Murray Live. You always send me
[28:29] Speaker 1: an email Paul at sky News dot com dot au.
[28:31] Speaker 1: Pleay a debate and we'll get right into it next
[28:34] Speaker 1: and just see a price will join us before we're
[28:35] Speaker 1: done too. Thank you so much for watching. I am
[28:42] Speaker 1: wearing of course Nationals green just for you Roscadell right,
[28:45] Speaker 1: no question about it. Of course the National Center in
[28:47] Speaker 1: New South Wales former future Labor Center if he wants
[28:50] Speaker 1: to be, he's just putting services in for our.
[28:52] Speaker 2: I'm putting there.
[28:53] Speaker 7: I'm wearing Liberal Party blue international dress like a young
[28:56] Speaker 7: Liberal day button.
[29:00] Speaker 2: Chambreak over it.
[29:01] Speaker 1: God, love them, God and love them all right now,
[29:05] Speaker 1: So Ross, there's this emergency. Fuels are so apparently there's
[29:10] Speaker 1: not a problem, but there is a national emergency. There's
[29:12] Speaker 1: not a problem, but there's a new person in charge
[29:14] Speaker 1: of the problem, just in case there was a problem.
[29:17] Speaker 1: But as best as I can work out about their backstory.
[29:20] Speaker 1: The backstory is about trying to wean Australia off fossil fuels,
[29:24] Speaker 1: not the logistics of how you move them around the country.
[29:26] Speaker 1: Another great day from Albo's leadership.
[29:29] Speaker 8: It's another Well, she's also doing an inquiring in the
[29:32] Speaker 8: Murray Dlling basin at the same time. We're going through
[29:34] Speaker 8: that water and oil don't mix in my regard, but
[29:37] Speaker 8: this is a very strong look at that. So she's
[29:40] Speaker 8: been appointed to two things within a month of this government.
[29:43] Speaker 4: And we need logistics.
[29:44] Speaker 8: I mean, if the fuel is here, like they really say,
[29:47] Speaker 8: we just need to get it out to the people.
[29:48] Speaker 8: You're talking about I've got to mate talking about John Oh.
[29:51] Speaker 8: If you're out there in militany, always watches talking about
[29:54] Speaker 8: a feed loot in near we Waar and they were
[29:57] Speaker 8: within a day of having to shoot their animals because
[29:59] Speaker 8: they under the animal cruelly.
[30:00] Speaker 4: They had to feed them a certain amount of course,
[30:02] Speaker 4: and they just saved it.
[30:03] Speaker 8: You know, this is happening right round but we hear,
[30:05] Speaker 8: no problem, no problem. So this is about getting the
[30:08] Speaker 8: fuel to where it's needed. It's about all of those
[30:10] Speaker 8: things that happen. He phoned today and he's going, you know,
[30:13] Speaker 8: will we run out of fuel. He wants to know
[30:14] Speaker 8: what to do with his stock. I'm saying, I don't
[30:16] Speaker 8: think we'll run out of field, but I think getting
[30:17] Speaker 8: it out there is a different thing. So this should
[30:20] Speaker 8: have been someone in logistics, not someone about what fuel
[30:23] Speaker 8: we should be using. It is the wrong call and
[30:25] Speaker 8: I think we'll pay for it.
[30:26] Speaker 1: Well. Part of why people like you know, previously a
[30:29] Speaker 1: Peter Cosgrove would be sent into something like you know,
[30:32] Speaker 1: after the cyclone Isa right, is that level of here's
[30:37] Speaker 1: the problem, solvent, here's a problem solvent? Right Again, the
[30:40] Speaker 1: LinkedIn as best as we sir, went only back to
[30:42] Speaker 1: about twenty twenty two. Is there some secret time when
[30:44] Speaker 1: she was a truckie before then?
[30:45] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[30:46] Speaker 7: Look, I don't know, to be honest, it seems to
[30:47] Speaker 7: be a bit of a sort of choice from sort
[30:50] Speaker 7: of central casting, you know, top bureaucrat one oh one.
[30:54] Speaker 2: So I will see though.
[30:55] Speaker 7: Maybe she is really good at this stuff and we
[30:56] Speaker 7: just don't know, and if that turns out, that's fantastic.
[31:00] Speaker 7: Probably got someone from outside, like a Tony Shepherd or
[31:04] Speaker 7: someone like that, a sort of dynamo who gets in
[31:06] Speaker 7: and sort of crack some skulls, sort of you know,
[31:08] Speaker 7: Jim Mullin kind of figure you know.
[31:10] Speaker 1: Who, like a former premier.
[31:11] Speaker 7: But anyone who's kind of completely disregard due process, basically,
[31:15] Speaker 7: anyone who's going to slash red tape, think outside the box.
[31:17] Speaker 7: I'm quite serious and so but look, he knows her
[31:21] Speaker 7: obviously better than we do, so maybe she's all right.
[31:24] Speaker 1: Well, maybe it'll be just as fruitful as the Royal Commission.
[31:26] Speaker 1: It was called after Bondo. That has nothing to do
[31:28] Speaker 1: with Bondo, nothing to see nothing. Decision made in New
[31:32] Speaker 1: South Wales again under the cover of everyone looking the
[31:34] Speaker 1: other way. Now, this was put out that there'll be
[31:37] Speaker 1: no new coal mines in New South Wales in Greenfield areas.
[31:43] Speaker 1: What that actually means is no new coal mines in
[31:45] Speaker 1: New South Wales right because if there's a blade of
[31:47] Speaker 1: grass on it, guess what it would count as that
[31:50] Speaker 1: The trade off is that the existing ones will be
[31:52] Speaker 1: allowed to expand ross. What does this mean for the
[31:56] Speaker 1: news of O's economy, but more importantly, what we get
[31:58] Speaker 1: out of existing coal owns.
[32:00] Speaker 4: It's more of the same.
[32:01] Speaker 8: Look, I'm getting angry about where we are and what
[32:04] Speaker 8: we are because Australia is a lucky country.
[32:06] Speaker 4: We have so many resources.
[32:08] Speaker 8: We have ourine or a color gas in South Australia
[32:10] Speaker 8: where the vote's on the weekend. There's enough shale oil
[32:13] Speaker 8: in the middle of there. If we've got to keep
[32:14] Speaker 8: Australia self relyant on oil. But we don't go after
[32:18] Speaker 8: these things. We don't take enough of it for the
[32:20] Speaker 8: country and for the Australians when we actually produce it.
[32:22] Speaker 8: And so what we're doing, you know, we should be
[32:25] Speaker 8: fighting through silk. We're on the bones of our ass
[32:28] Speaker 8: and this is not.
[32:29] Speaker 1: Good beautiful it is put it on a T shirt.
[32:33] Speaker 8: It is not good enough that we have all this
[32:35] Speaker 8: at our fingertips and we don't touch it.
[32:38] Speaker 4: You know, you help the rest of the world.
[32:40] Speaker 8: You help people when you are at your best, when
[32:42] Speaker 8: you are wealthy, when you are doing well. When ndiias
[32:45] Speaker 8: is when foreign aid. We should feed the world, we
[32:47] Speaker 8: should power the world. We should be a much richer country.
[32:50] Speaker 8: But when we say no to these very simple things,
[32:53] Speaker 8: we are being selfish because we are not doing our
[32:55] Speaker 8: fair share. And I'm sorry cutting it. Saying no more
[32:58] Speaker 8: is basically saying bad like Australians. You aren't going to
[33:01] Speaker 8: live the life you can look and bad like the
[33:03] Speaker 8: rest of the world and you're going to pay more
[33:04] Speaker 8: well also, you.
[33:05] Speaker 1: Know in terms of coal. Right now, I understand it's
[33:07] Speaker 1: political this and that's but guess what. Guess what Zelenski
[33:10] Speaker 1: wanted from Australia China. Right now, China is saying ban
[33:16] Speaker 1: on the exports of fuel to the rest of the world.
[33:19] Speaker 1: Right Why because they want to make sure what they've
[33:20] Speaker 1: got they're able to make the most for ourselves. Right
[33:23] Speaker 1: But because we tie one arm behind our back pretending
[33:26] Speaker 1: to be the solution to a global problem with one
[33:29] Speaker 1: percent of the world's problem. These are the moments where
[33:31] Speaker 1: people I think again that great gulf between common sense
[33:36] Speaker 1: and the people who knotted at each other at dinner part.
[33:39] Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's slightly different, to be honest, in
[33:41] Speaker 7: this case. This is obviously done by the Men's Laby government.
[33:45] Speaker 7: They have never shown the slightest preponderance to be anything
[33:47] Speaker 7: less than clear eyed and pragmatic when it comes to
[33:49] Speaker 7: these things. They are not climate ideal logs. They never
[33:52] Speaker 7: have themselves with the revenue because I think what we're
[33:54] Speaker 7: what they're looking at is not what we need right now,
[33:58] Speaker 7: which is a very real scenario.
[34:00] Speaker 2: Things like you know why don't we have.
[34:01] Speaker 7: The refining capacity we need, for example, to get that
[34:03] Speaker 7: shale oil or to process crude and to be able
[34:06] Speaker 7: to turn it into petrol here And that is a
[34:08] Speaker 7: really good question that we need to answer. When it
[34:11] Speaker 7: comes to just exploring greenfield sites for possible coal seams,
[34:15] Speaker 7: you're talking about projects that are not going to get
[34:17] Speaker 7: off the ground for decades. So they are doing things
[34:20] Speaker 7: like grand grandfather in coal fired power. We do have
[34:23] Speaker 7: coal mines that are not going to be shut down.
[34:24] Speaker 7: They're going to continue. We're going to be selling our.
[34:27] Speaker 2: Coal your Defense series. They could be worse.
[34:31] Speaker 7: I think they're just looking and saying, do we really think,
[34:35] Speaker 7: you know, much as we may need coal now and
[34:37] Speaker 7: in the years to come, are we really going to
[34:40] Speaker 7: need it in thirty years when this gets up and
[34:42] Speaker 7: running and suddenly.
[34:43] Speaker 2: We have a white elephant on our hands.
[34:45] Speaker 7: That's what I reckon they're doing, because I don't think
[34:46] Speaker 7: there's any ideological reason for them to do it now.
[34:50] Speaker 1: The attitude that this government has in around legal and
[34:53] Speaker 1: illegal tobacco, right, so, the reason that the illegal tobacco
[34:59] Speaker 1: has exploded to the lengths that it has as a
[35:01] Speaker 1: result the criminal gangs, the fire bombs all the rest
[35:03] Speaker 1: of it is because the taxation is too high, right,
[35:06] Speaker 1: and illegal gangs turned around and worked out, well, guess what,
[35:09] Speaker 1: here's this chop chop that comes in from China where
[35:11] Speaker 1: there's no tax whatsoever. What has the market done. Well,
[35:14] Speaker 1: The market's turned around and gone, I'm not going to
[35:16] Speaker 1: pay the tax anymore, right, you say to the treasure Okay,
[35:19] Speaker 1: the way of getting people away from the stuff that
[35:21] Speaker 1: you theoretically want off the table is to start to
[35:23] Speaker 1: drop the tax. I'm not dropping the tax at all.
[35:26] Speaker 1: And then today we have a minister that's out and
[35:28] Speaker 1: about saying maybe we should just get rid of tobacconists
[35:30] Speaker 1: all together. Now I know that I am arguing the
[35:35] Speaker 1: sort of quarter percent of the one percent here who's
[35:39] Speaker 1: kind of talking on behalf of the legal tobacconists of Australia.
[35:42] Speaker 1: Not because you know, I pay for price. Kids, believe
[35:45] Speaker 1: me right, don't do it. Stupid thing to do for
[35:46] Speaker 1: your health. But these are small businesses, right. The idea
[35:52] Speaker 1: that what a great idea. Let's get rid of another
[35:54] Speaker 1: thing that Colson Woolies can take over. Let's get rid
[35:58] Speaker 1: of another thing that can just become that. What is frankly,
[36:01] Speaker 1: the same version of the same convenience store that's everywhere
[36:05] Speaker 1: else because of the criminal element that is only in
[36:08] Speaker 1: existence because of in part, not only, but it is
[36:12] Speaker 1: in part because of government freaking policy here.
[36:15] Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's there's a couple of things here.
[36:17] Speaker 7: One is that provision just does not work. If people
[36:19] Speaker 7: want something, they will get it, and if they want
[36:22] Speaker 7: it in enough numbers and they've been used to having it,
[36:24] Speaker 7: they will find it. Obviously we learned that during the
[36:27] Speaker 7: Probibian period in America, but it's been proven just.
[36:30] Speaker 2: Elsewhere, just in spades.
[36:32] Speaker 7: And the other thing is that, of course, if you
[36:35] Speaker 7: make something, if something is too expensive, you end up
[36:39] Speaker 7: just putting a target on your back.
[36:41] Speaker 2: And you can just ask Kyle and Chackie, I'm I
[36:47] Speaker 2: I love if I just.
[36:48] Speaker 1: Have to make that, Jock, but that genius has run
[36:51] Speaker 1: that joint.
[36:51] Speaker 2: But if you're radio executive guys anyway, so.
[36:57] Speaker 1: Formal ones talk about it, define leave our history.
[37:00] Speaker 7: But again, if you if you make if you make
[37:05] Speaker 7: cigarettes prohibitively expensive without addressing the underlying reasons why people
[37:10] Speaker 7: smoke or giving them an alternative, then they're just going
[37:14] Speaker 7: to do other things and their convenience stores have been
[37:16] Speaker 7: warning about the say, people are going to come in
[37:18] Speaker 7: and they used to buy a pack of SIGs and
[37:20] Speaker 7: a loaf of bread and the milk. If the SIGs
[37:22] Speaker 7: are too expensive, they're just going to buy the SIGs
[37:24] Speaker 7: and leave the milk and the loaf of bread behind.
[37:26] Speaker 7: And this is what we're seeing. And of course now
[37:28] Speaker 7: the only way for convenience now the new business model
[37:31] Speaker 7: there's small bussing, is just to sell you know, vapes,
[37:35] Speaker 7: tobacco of the illegal or legal variety, and of course
[37:38] Speaker 7: overpriced American candy and yeah, that weird stuff that they want.
[37:44] Speaker 1: To be this idea, I mean the idea that the
[37:46] Speaker 1: problem is the existence of the tobacconist because of the
[37:50] Speaker 1: criminal element. This is the sort of logic that says,
[37:53] Speaker 1: you know, the way to bring down the road top
[37:54] Speaker 1: get rid of all the cars.
[37:57] Speaker 4: Exactly.
[37:57] Speaker 8: I get the mischief for all when I look at stuff,
[37:59] Speaker 8: and the tax on excise was to discourage smoking. It
[38:03] Speaker 8: is no longer doing that because they found a way
[38:04] Speaker 8: around it. So if that taxad excise is no longer
[38:07] Speaker 8: doing the reason it was done, it's time to bring
[38:09] Speaker 8: it down. You've got to bring it down. I think
[38:10] Speaker 8: you've got to Harvard is my personal thing. I think
[38:12] Speaker 8: you've got to start there and have a review. It's
[38:14] Speaker 8: probably same on liquor. Because we're seeing increasing use of drugs,
[38:17] Speaker 8: we're seeing any social behavior. I think we've got to
[38:19] Speaker 8: look at the excise things and look at why we
[38:20] Speaker 8: put them in. They're not revenue raising, they're discourage and
[38:23] Speaker 8: they no longer doing that.
[38:24] Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, right you know again, petrol
[38:26] Speaker 1: through the refile. We won't do anything about the tax
[38:28] Speaker 1: there illegal stuff around because the tax is so high
[38:31] Speaker 1: and we couldn't possibly do it in there. Why because
[38:33] Speaker 1: of the addiction to spending. See how it's all a
[38:35] Speaker 1: looped right back to their management about what I was
[38:37] Speaker 1: mentioning at the start of the show. Don't pay attention
[38:39] Speaker 1: to what they say, it's what they do. Let's get
[38:41] Speaker 1: to a winner and loser of the week, Joe Hildebran.
[38:44] Speaker 7: Look, I think in honor of what you just said,
[38:46] Speaker 7: I'll declare the losers of the week Australia's long suffering motorists.
[38:51] Speaker 2: I am a.
[38:52] Speaker 7: Frequent user user of the fuel check app and I
[38:54] Speaker 7: just looked at it before and I just had to
[38:56] Speaker 7: put it straight down again. The winners of the week,
[38:58] Speaker 7: by contrast, those who had the foresight to get an
[39:01] Speaker 7: LPG conversion, because gas is still sitting there and around
[39:06] Speaker 7: a buck and a bit a leader, and so the
[39:08] Speaker 7: falcon is going to be driving off into the distance
[39:11] Speaker 7: the old that's clicks on. That's all those forward rangers
[39:17] Speaker 7: are going to be left on the side of.
[39:18] Speaker 4: The ride, All right, loser. I think it's Chris Bonen,
[39:21] Speaker 4: same reason. Looks like bad day, Bob.
[39:23] Speaker 8: There's no fuel problem, here's no feel from here, while
[39:25] Speaker 8: the tanks a rolling behind him.
[39:26] Speaker 4: Winner clearly me.
[39:27] Speaker 8: I think I will set a world record for being
[39:29] Speaker 8: in and out of shadow camp at twice in ten weeks.
[39:31] Speaker 8: I don't think anyone's done that in the world. I
[39:33] Speaker 8: think that's question because you're.
[39:34] Speaker 7: Too powerful, but you're too powerful to be constrained.
[39:37] Speaker 2: You need that sort of robe look at.
[39:40] Speaker 1: Maybe it's a path of the leadership. What happened with
[39:42] Speaker 1: Matt right the back.
[39:43] Speaker 2: Of the past with the slipstream. He's going to be
[39:45] Speaker 2: doing a.
[39:46] Speaker 4: Nascastle like passes shaking someone.
[39:50] Speaker 2: The more they push you away. It's like all of
[39:53] Speaker 2: my ex girlfriends.
[39:54] Speaker 1: Thank you everyone, We'll see you again next week. The
[39:57] Speaker 1: one of what you're seeing, a nevergier price, he joins
[39:59] Speaker 1: us straight up break her responsibility is small business. We'll
[40:02] Speaker 1: talk about that and a whole lot more. Thanks for
[40:04] Speaker 1: watching tonight on Paul Murray lick Well, we love Senator
[40:11] Speaker 1: just into Nampa, jimper Price, she joins us. Right now,
[40:13] Speaker 1: Northern territories had some tough times recently. Let's talk about
[40:17] Speaker 1: those floods in and around Catherine. You went and saw people.
[40:21] Speaker 1: We reach out to everyone again. It's going to be
[40:23] Speaker 1: up in the Cape this weekend, but it has been
[40:26] Speaker 1: the mt of recent weeks. What'd you say?
[40:29] Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I caught up with locals. I went into
[40:33] Speaker 6: some people's homes that had invited me, that had experienced
[40:37] Speaker 6: real devastation for some of those homeowners. You know, their
[40:41] Speaker 6: livelihoods and their homes have been swept away all at once.
[40:46] Speaker 6: For some they suggested that they hadn't had enough warning
[40:51] Speaker 6: in terms of being able to get out soon enough
[40:54] Speaker 6: and get things to higher ground, get their vehicles out
[40:56] Speaker 6: of the road and look and just as they saw that.
[41:00] Speaker 6: There's some of those young fellas that I met up
[41:04] Speaker 6: with was some great characters, great local heroes. There are
[41:08] Speaker 6: a bunch of young tradees and they got out the
[41:10] Speaker 6: Tinny while the flood waters were really high, and got
[41:14] Speaker 6: out to support their community. I suppose, amidst some of
[41:18] Speaker 6: the devastation and the fact that locals are rebuilding their lives,
[41:23] Speaker 6: the one thing that I kept hearing everywhere I was
[41:26] Speaker 6: going was that everybody got together as a community and
[41:30] Speaker 6: helped one another out the minute they could. They did
[41:33] Speaker 6: exactly that the territory way. They didn't bother waiting around
[41:37] Speaker 6: for any sort of outside support. They all got their
[41:40] Speaker 6: you know, rolled up their sleeves and got stuck into it.
[41:42] Speaker 6: Were helping each other, tidying up, cleaning up, looking after
[41:47] Speaker 6: one another when people needed things, when people needed white
[41:50] Speaker 6: goods or clothes or anything like that. And it was
[41:54] Speaker 6: really a wonderful community spirit about Catherine and you know,
[41:58] Speaker 6: and throughout the Northern Territory, and that really resonated right
[42:02] Speaker 6: throughout the community. And that's the thing, I suppose, even
[42:07] Speaker 6: when there are those that have had it really tough,
[42:12] Speaker 6: they still are willing to help others out. They're not complaining,
[42:17] Speaker 6: they're getting on with things, and you know, it makes
[42:20] Speaker 6: me really proud to be a territory.
[42:21] Speaker 2: And I'm just.
[42:22] Speaker 6: Glad I could be there to support them in those
[42:26] Speaker 6: moments afterward. And you know, we're not completely out of
[42:30] Speaker 6: the woods. We do know that cyclone norell is coming.
[42:34] Speaker 6: You know. I'm thinking of those in the Cape at
[42:37] Speaker 6: the moment who are battening down the hatches. A community
[42:41] Speaker 6: sort of east of Catherine, Nimblewa has evacuated, which is
[42:45] Speaker 6: on the coast, and we're hoping and praying that the
[42:49] Speaker 6: effect of that cyclone once it hits the territory comes
[42:53] Speaker 6: below south of the catchment area for Catherine. Otherwise you know,
[42:58] Speaker 6: those water levels could again rise to the levels we
[43:02] Speaker 6: really don't want to see them at.
[43:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when we're talking about remote communities, well right,
[43:07] Speaker 1: I mean obviously Catherine sort of bigger than things that
[43:09] Speaker 1: will be under kays this way or that way. The
[43:12] Speaker 1: capacity for help to come is difficult. I know, living
[43:17] Speaker 1: in the north, this is part of what happens. But
[43:19] Speaker 1: again I'm thinking about the Cape in Queensland and about
[43:22] Speaker 1: how they deal with things when you are already a
[43:26] Speaker 1: long way from a capital city. What happens in preparation,
[43:31] Speaker 1: how are you able to to do things? Or is
[43:36] Speaker 1: this part of the remoteness, is there's a loneliness in
[43:39] Speaker 1: terms of what people say in a Darwin or a
[43:42] Speaker 1: Brisbane might take for granted as the help that comes
[43:44] Speaker 1: from council or government.
[43:47] Speaker 6: Oh yeah, look, it's it's difficult because well, firstly, people
[43:51] Speaker 6: want you want to make sure that people are being
[43:54] Speaker 6: warned well beforehand. Usually when in terms of you know,
[43:57] Speaker 6: we've got the cyclone coming, evacuations will have a curred
[44:02] Speaker 6: almost you know, with really good time, so that people
[44:05] Speaker 6: are out of those communities and in safer places. But
[44:09] Speaker 6: it also means that other parts of the territory, you
[44:12] Speaker 6: know Darwin areas of Catherine also people brought to those places,
[44:19] Speaker 6: brought together. They don't know how long they're necessarily going
[44:24] Speaker 6: to be staying in and around the sort of main
[44:26] Speaker 6: centers where help is available to them. Sometimes I don't
[44:30] Speaker 6: know the condition of their homes. And look, there's been
[44:33] Speaker 6: a lot of cattle stations as well that have been
[44:35] Speaker 6: really devastated by the flooding, and some places just beside
[44:40] Speaker 6: themselves the fact that they can't believe how high the
[44:43] Speaker 6: water has come, the stock that has been taken, their
[44:47] Speaker 6: homes and their machinery that have been lifted up and
[44:49] Speaker 6: dragged away, and so the cleanup and the sort of
[44:54] Speaker 6: you know, the after effects of it all can take
[44:57] Speaker 6: a long time to recover from. And then there's the
[45:01] Speaker 6: issue of insurance, of course, and for some people in Catherine,
[45:05] Speaker 6: while they had flood insurance, they didn't have insurance which
[45:08] Speaker 6: related to drainage if the drainage was overflowing and the
[45:12] Speaker 6: drainage was backed up and causing some issues for them.
[45:15] Speaker 6: So there's a lot that you have to consider in
[45:18] Speaker 6: these situations. And there aren't that many people on hand
[45:22] Speaker 6: to give to give a hand because we're talking smaller populations.
[45:27] Speaker 6: So you know, some of the adf were helping out
[45:30] Speaker 6: in Catherine, I know that, and as many people the volunteers,
[45:36] Speaker 6: the bushfires and tea and you know, EPES is just
[45:43] Speaker 6: all hands on deck and people working day and night
[45:47] Speaker 6: and were obviously exhausted. But this is what life is
[45:51] Speaker 6: like in remote parts of the country, and for some
[45:56] Speaker 6: people in remote communities, Yeah, it can take weeks months
[46:00] Speaker 6: to get back out to those communities, depending on the
[46:03] Speaker 6: weather and depending on how swiftly the Queen the cleanup
[46:07] Speaker 6: has has taken.
[46:08] Speaker 2: Well.
[46:09] Speaker 1: Good on you for giving them voice and again going
[46:11] Speaker 1: and seeing so many of those communities that are so
[46:14] Speaker 1: close to all of our hearts. But obviously where you're
[46:16] Speaker 1: represent in the territory. Let's also talk about the small
[46:19] Speaker 1: business side of things. That's where you're the shadow minister.
[46:22] Speaker 1: Small businesses being smacked by inflation, the people who own
[46:25] Speaker 1: those businesses or even work for those businesses when it
[46:28] Speaker 1: comes to rates at the moment. But let's talk again
[46:30] Speaker 1: about the fuel situation. It is small businesses that need
[46:33] Speaker 1: that diesel that are right on the edge. The Prime
[46:35] Speaker 1: Minister somehow thinks it's people that are buying too much,
[46:39] Speaker 1: and the Energy Minister is blaming people who've been debunnings recently.
[46:43] Speaker 6: You know, this is this is the real disappointment and
[46:47] Speaker 6: the letdown for the Australian people by our own Prime minister,
[46:50] Speaker 6: buy our own Treasurer Jim Chalmers, who won You know,
[46:56] Speaker 6: they're not they're not doing their job appropriately to serve
[46:59] Speaker 6: the use Stralian people to have been in a position
[47:02] Speaker 6: where we could be prepared with adequate fuel supply in
[47:08] Speaker 6: our country, availability in our country in the first place,
[47:11] Speaker 6: so we wouldn't reach such a point. And I spoke about,
[47:15] Speaker 6: you know as the previously, in my previous role as
[47:18] Speaker 6: Shadow Defense Industry the fact that we need to shore
[47:20] Speaker 6: up our fuel supply availability and stations across the country
[47:29] Speaker 6: in the event where our sovereignty is threatened somehow. And look,
[47:33] Speaker 6: Jim Chalmers has really let Australians down. This is all
[47:38] Speaker 6: you know, inflation, as we know, interest rates have gone
[47:41] Speaker 6: up fourteen times under this government's watch. He blames everybody
[47:45] Speaker 6: but fails to take responsibility himself. You know, previously it's
[47:50] Speaker 6: always the former government have you know, they've had to
[47:53] Speaker 6: do this and that because of the former government, and
[47:55] Speaker 6: then it was the war in Ukraine. Now it's the
[47:57] Speaker 6: war in the Middle East. But the fact that they
[48:00] Speaker 6: need a fuel zar to sort this situation out tells
[48:05] Speaker 6: me that they don't have a clue. But it's their
[48:09] Speaker 6: responsibility and they've got to stop putting it back on
[48:11] Speaker 6: the Australian people and rightly so. Small businesses are doing
[48:15] Speaker 6: it incredibly tough. They were doing it tough before this
[48:18] Speaker 6: fuel crisis came along. Last year fourteen five hundred small
[48:23] Speaker 6: businesses collapsed. So you know, it's just it's such a
[48:28] Speaker 6: tragedy and the Prime Minister has failed the Australian people,
[48:32] Speaker 6: and so has Jim Charmers.
[48:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it it's not a crisis, but here's
[48:35] Speaker 1: the person who's going to help us solve the crisis, rightio.
[48:37] Speaker 1: Thank you, senate, to have a great weekend. We'll see
[48:38] Speaker 1: you again back on Mondays. We had to have a
[48:40] Speaker 1: chat with the boss sayingus Taylor this Monday. We look
[48:42] Speaker 1: forward to seeing it in a couple of Monday's time.
[48:44] Speaker 1: All right, just sit a Namper Jimper Price quick break
[48:46] Speaker 1: back with more here on Pal Murray Lie Late Debate
[48:48] Speaker 1: four from there. Thank you very much for watching. Looking
[48:54] Speaker 1: forward to the Late Debate. It starts at a moment
[48:56] Speaker 1: or two's time. We're going to be in South Australia.
[48:57] Speaker 1: It'll be a big weekend. Join us for the coverage
[49:00] Speaker 1: on Saturday night. We'll see you later
[49:07] Speaker 7: M

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