# Paul Murray Live | 30 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 30 Mar 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/ce236b87-cf2b-47e4-95d6-b41d00b989d2/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The Albanese government to halve fuel excise for three months, Labor support drops after the start of war. Plus, cyclone recovery is underway in Exmouth. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Sherry, Happy Monday. Come on in blumanco. We've
[0:09] Speaker 1: got an awful lot to do tonight. Thank you by
[0:11] Speaker 1: the way, to Adam and who is the mayor of
[0:15] Speaker 1: Port McQuary and everyone who turned out last night. What
[0:17] Speaker 1: a wonderful time that we had on the mid North coast.
[0:19] Speaker 1: We're going to be coming to Ko Lake in Victoria
[0:21] Speaker 1: in a few weeks time, and plenty of other places
[0:24] Speaker 1: around the country. Now, I also want to put a
[0:27] Speaker 1: pin in the board something for everyone to pay attention
[0:29] Speaker 1: to the Farah by election. Now, the Farah by election
[0:32] Speaker 1: happening May nine. Paul, what are you talking about? This
[0:34] Speaker 1: is the end of March, and come on, what's going on?
[0:37] Speaker 1: Because this one's a big one. Now the seat of
[0:40] Speaker 1: Fara essentially from Aubrey a little further up, but basically
[0:44] Speaker 1: on on that NISI was Victoria border. Is this the
[0:47] Speaker 1: chance of one nation being able to outright win a
[0:51] Speaker 1: seat in the Lower House? They of course already have
[0:53] Speaker 1: one with Bunnaby Joyce moving from the Nets because they
[0:55] Speaker 1: win one on their own. The Libs under the leader
[0:58] Speaker 1: and Gus Taylor somehow going to find a way hold
[1:00] Speaker 1: onto the seat that Susan Lee did for twenty something years.
[1:04] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister is not running a candidate in the
[1:06] Speaker 1: seat of Parah, but he of course would be seperly
[1:09] Speaker 1: hoping that Labor voters back in the teal that is
[1:12] Speaker 1: there and our guests tonight now Nationals leader Make Canavan, well,
[1:16] Speaker 1: he too has been in the area. Why because he
[1:18] Speaker 1: thinks it's the Nats that should be the ones to
[1:21] Speaker 1: take on all comers and potentially grow their numbers in
[1:25] Speaker 1: the Federal Parliament. Well, I mention all of this because
[1:28] Speaker 1: if you want to make it to power, the road
[1:29] Speaker 1: goes through the pub and it is no better than
[1:32] Speaker 1: the Paul Murray live pub test. The one's happening in
[1:35] Speaker 1: Farah ahead of and then the week of the bye election.
[1:39] Speaker 1: It's happening on Tuesday, May the fifth. We will be
[1:42] Speaker 1: there and if you can make it, I want to
[1:44] Speaker 1: hear from you. Pub test at sky news dot com
[1:46] Speaker 1: dot are you. Pub test at sky news dot com
[1:48] Speaker 1: dot are you. This is full locals, Okay, So if
[1:51] Speaker 1: you're just blowing through or you just want to cheer
[1:54] Speaker 1: on maybe the side that has asked you to turn up. Thanks,
[1:57] Speaker 1: but let's make this about people who live in the area.
[2:00] Speaker 1: Give us your name, contact details. What's the question that
[2:03] Speaker 1: you'd like to ask and who would you like to
[2:05] Speaker 1: ask it of? Because we have the Libs, the Nats,
[2:09] Speaker 1: we have none other than one nation, and we have
[2:13] Speaker 1: who the book is believed to be the winner, the
[2:15] Speaker 1: independent of the community. Independent will be there as well,
[2:17] Speaker 1: will be in aubree Tuesday made the fifth if you
[2:20] Speaker 1: would like to join us, that is the big plug
[2:22] Speaker 1: right pub test at sky news dot com dot a
[2:24] Speaker 1: U pub tested sky news dot com dot AU. So
[2:30] Speaker 1: you may recall that we were told one thing quite
[2:32] Speaker 1: a few times over the past few weeks.
[2:36] Speaker 2: We have all self considering a change to Vendra fuel.
[2:40] Speaker 3: First of all, I think, as I've said as recently
[2:43] Speaker 3: as yesterday, that that change is not something that we
[2:46] Speaker 3: have been considering fuel that site specific ways we rule outcome.
[2:50] Speaker 4: Well, I answered the question. What we do is we
[2:53] Speaker 4: always look at cost of living measures. We do so
[2:56] Speaker 4: in a responsible way.
[2:57] Speaker 3: Shout out Treasure has spent recent weeks only against Australia
[3:01] Speaker 3: on the share market, getting a fuel excise wrong and
[3:04] Speaker 3: behaving in here like some kind of karaoke clown.
[3:07] Speaker 2: Mister Speaker.
[3:08] Speaker 3: There are other ways to help people with the cost
[3:09] Speaker 3: of living, and we know that there are views about
[3:12] Speaker 3: the fuel excise. It's not something that we have been considering.
[3:18] Speaker 1: Then. Of course the National Party along with the Libs,
[3:21] Speaker 1: well they got behind the idea. How long have we
[3:23] Speaker 1: been saying it cut the tax fifty two cents in
[3:27] Speaker 1: every dollar, sorry, in every leter of all types of
[3:31] Speaker 1: fuel that is sold in Australia. Well, the Opposition they
[3:34] Speaker 1: got on board today. I've written to the Prime Minister
[3:38] Speaker 1: and I have called on the government to slash the
[3:41] Speaker 1: fuel excise.
[3:42] Speaker 5: It's not right for the government to continue to take
[3:45] Speaker 5: in the same amount of tax in that environment. What
[3:47] Speaker 5: is right The sensible approach here is to provide a relief,
[3:51] Speaker 5: a little bit of relief.
[3:52] Speaker 1: But perhaps the best thing in common sensus favor here
[3:56] Speaker 1: today is none other than the premiers and Chief Ministers,
[4:00] Speaker 1: because they had a national Cabinet meeting today and one
[4:02] Speaker 1: message apparently was very very strong, very strong from the premiers,
[4:06] Speaker 1: which is all right, before we do our bit, can
[4:08] Speaker 1: you do your bit, Prime minister, can you do your bit, Treasurer?
[4:11] Speaker 1: And can you cut the freaking fuel tax? Because guess
[4:14] Speaker 1: what happened just after the meeting. The people who said
[4:17] Speaker 1: no suddenly now want credit for saying yes.
[4:21] Speaker 6: Relief at last for drivers as petrol prices saw with
[4:25] Speaker 6: the government to have the fuel excise for three months.
[4:28] Speaker 6: Cutting the tax on fuel is now part of a
[4:30] Speaker 6: multi billion dollar plan to help ease the crisis.
[4:33] Speaker 7: The fuel excise will be slashed for three months in half.
[4:38] Speaker 1: So much for what they were mocking last week as
[4:40] Speaker 1: drongo economics. It is now the position of the federal government,
[4:44] Speaker 1: rightly so, it's the position of the state and territory governments,
[4:46] Speaker 1: rightly so, it's a position of the opposition, rightly so,
[4:50] Speaker 1: because while the price of the commodity keeps going up
[4:53] Speaker 1: because of events in the Middle East, and obviously Australia
[4:55] Speaker 1: is not controlling those and yes, the government could be
[4:59] Speaker 1: doing better to have more supply here in meaning perhaps
[5:01] Speaker 1: that number can be left down. It is immoral that
[5:05] Speaker 1: when something is spiking that they, being the federal government,
[5:10] Speaker 1: end up getting fifty two cents a liter. They've halved it.
[5:14] Speaker 1: That happens for three months, and you know what, good congratulations,
[5:18] Speaker 1: well done. Do you want to cuddle guys?
[5:22] Speaker 4: Today we're announcing the Conwalth government will harve the fuel
[5:25] Speaker 4: excise on petrol and diesel for three months.
[5:27] Speaker 3: So what we're announcing today will reduce the cost of
[5:31] Speaker 3: a sixty five liter tank by about nineteen dollars. So
[5:35] Speaker 3: it is substantial cost of living relief.
[5:38] Speaker 1: Yes, mate, which is why it had to be done
[5:40] Speaker 1: last week, or the week before, or even the week
[5:43] Speaker 1: before that. I'll give you the first week of the war.
[5:46] Speaker 1: But that's the reality right What they now say is
[5:48] Speaker 1: that you give us the credit for the nineteen dollars savings. Well,
[5:51] Speaker 1: that could have been last week, could have been the
[5:53] Speaker 1: week before, could have been the week before that. So yes,
[5:56] Speaker 1: we often mock each way albow, but thank goodness for
[5:58] Speaker 1: each way elbows way of doing things, saying one thing
[6:01] Speaker 1: on one day doing exactly the opposite the other were
[6:03] Speaker 1: good because it means sanity prevails. It should have been
[6:07] Speaker 1: the whole lot. But we'll take what we can get
[6:08] Speaker 1: right now. Because while those that are lucky enough to
[6:12] Speaker 1: have the petrol card pay for by the taxpayer, that
[6:16] Speaker 1: being most of the people you just saw on the screen,
[6:17] Speaker 1: if not all of them, the reality is if you're
[6:19] Speaker 1: trying to pay for it yourself, or it's your business
[6:22] Speaker 1: that's trying to pay for it. You know how much
[6:23] Speaker 1: it costs, and how this gets worse before it gets better.
[6:26] Speaker 1: But National Cabinet also came up with and this was
[6:29] Speaker 1: an interesting spin. The Prime Minister was trying to put
[6:31] Speaker 1: on things that this system, that this situation was much
[6:35] Speaker 1: different than COVID, and unlike COVID, we're not going to
[6:37] Speaker 1: have all those crazy different rules. Okay, can I just
[6:40] Speaker 1: little sidebar, right, it's a little sidebar, little side note.
[6:43] Speaker 1: In fact, can we just go over to camera five
[6:45] Speaker 1: for me to make another point and then we'll come
[6:47] Speaker 1: back to the main game here. Okay, three two one.
[6:50] Speaker 1: So here's the deal. You know all those COVID restrictions, well,
[6:54] Speaker 1: of course they were state by state that were different,
[6:58] Speaker 1: which is why no matter what was agreed in the
[7:00] Speaker 1: National Cabinet, of course Anastasia Palichhope would just go and
[7:03] Speaker 1: do exactly the opposite because that was a way of
[7:05] Speaker 1: screwing the Libs in Queensland. Remember that they'd agree with
[7:09] Speaker 1: something in National Cabinet and then McGowan would do something
[7:12] Speaker 1: different in Western Australia just to screw the Libs, and
[7:14] Speaker 1: Andrews would do the same. Yeah, That's why COVID was
[7:17] Speaker 1: such a mess, not because it was a failure of
[7:20] Speaker 1: everyone to agree. It's because it was in the political
[7:23] Speaker 1: interests of many of those leaders to try to create
[7:27] Speaker 1: scenarios that were better for their federal colleagues than actually
[7:31] Speaker 1: doing the right thing by the country. All right back
[7:33] Speaker 1: to the main camera. But what they did announced today
[7:37] Speaker 1: was a four step plan. Now, essentially this is a
[7:42] Speaker 1: little bit like you know those monitors where they tell
[7:45] Speaker 1: you about the pollen count or whether it's going to
[7:48] Speaker 1: be a catastrophic fire risk. So there are four options
[7:53] Speaker 1: that we will be staging through, I believe for at
[7:56] Speaker 1: number two, but we have no information about what triggers
[8:00] Speaker 1: the next one or what really the next one means.
[8:03] Speaker 1: But everyone's just agreed that there is a system now.
[8:06] Speaker 1: Who knows who pushes the red button and when that's needed.
[8:10] Speaker 1: But we've got a system now.
[8:13] Speaker 4: Our approach is determined by four levels of action. One
[8:19] Speaker 4: plan and prepare to keeping Australia moving, which is where
[8:23] Speaker 4: we are at the moment. Three taking targeted action and
[8:27] Speaker 4: for protecting critical services for all Australians.
[8:31] Speaker 1: Okay, essentially what this means is business as usual. To
[8:36] Speaker 1: put a bit more priority on where the fuel goes.
[8:39] Speaker 1: Then when it starts to clamp down, it's not going
[8:42] Speaker 1: to be you're not allowed to stand up and not
[8:44] Speaker 1: allowed to sit down. And remember all that rubbish, because yeah,
[8:46] Speaker 1: that was the absurdity of COVID, which was different everywhere,
[8:49] Speaker 1: and all the Karens and all that. We get all
[8:51] Speaker 1: of that, right, But what this is going to be
[8:53] Speaker 1: about is maybe about how much you're going to be
[8:55] Speaker 1: able to get. And it really is going to be
[8:57] Speaker 1: that last phase where people are going to be told no,
[9:00] Speaker 1: you can't get any more than and certain vehicles. Certain
[9:03] Speaker 1: times we are away from that. But the reality is,
[9:06] Speaker 1: even if the war stopped today, the problems when it
[9:09] Speaker 1: comes to firstly the price, which is why the tax
[9:12] Speaker 1: cup was so urgent, and secondly the supply that's going
[9:15] Speaker 1: to go on for quite a few more weeks. Let's
[9:19] Speaker 1: talk about One nation surge because it is holding in
[9:22] Speaker 1: the news poll, the one that of course is so
[9:25] Speaker 1: often pointed to uses a justification to sack old leaders
[9:29] Speaker 1: or higher new ones. They are currently sitting above one
[9:33] Speaker 1: nation clear by five points. Is One Nation now twenty
[9:37] Speaker 1: six to twenty one percent. Labor is down from the election,
[9:42] Speaker 1: but essentially, as long as it has a number three
[9:45] Speaker 1: in front of it, can you believe it? Once you
[9:47] Speaker 1: throw together Green's preferences and most of the other preferences,
[9:51] Speaker 1: that's what gets them to that fifty to fifty number.
[9:54] Speaker 1: The number is slightly better in the Red Bridge pole
[9:57] Speaker 1: that says one nation is now up in the past
[10:00] Speaker 1: two weeks to twenty nine percent again twenty one percent
[10:03] Speaker 1: in the newspolet for the Coalition, seventeen percent in the
[10:07] Speaker 1: Red Bridge here and speaking in a little further detail
[10:11] Speaker 1: and explaining his poll in more detail that came by
[10:14] Speaker 1: the Financial Review in the past couple of days. Our
[10:16] Speaker 1: mate to cos Samarus. We often have him on the
[10:18] Speaker 1: show to go through the poles, go through the information
[10:20] Speaker 1: nerd out with him. He's done two very lengthy explanations
[10:25] Speaker 1: as to what he thinks or whom he thinks is
[10:28] Speaker 1: truly behind the drive here and the simplification here is
[10:32] Speaker 1: via his tweet, he says that the car industry's gone
[10:36] Speaker 1: steal in some parts of in administration, timber towns have
[10:38] Speaker 1: been haulowed out by policies, by policy decisions made by
[10:42] Speaker 1: people who never live near one two hundred thousand manufacturing
[10:46] Speaker 1: jobs have been lost in seven years. Textiles, clothing, footwear
[10:49] Speaker 1: effectively eliminated. Wholesale trade has been contracted, bank branches stripped
[10:53] Speaker 1: from regional high streets. Energy intensive manufacturing has been crushed
[10:57] Speaker 1: by gas prices that tripled alf LNG exports began. Just
[11:03] Speaker 1: a slice of the types of people and a generation
[11:07] Speaker 1: of Gen x's who have had enough, who have been
[11:11] Speaker 1: told to do it one way, yet constantly have been
[11:14] Speaker 1: screwed over by the existing sides of politics. And just
[11:17] Speaker 1: as younger people have had their ability to try to
[11:20] Speaker 1: reorganize the system through the Greens, there are a group
[11:24] Speaker 1: of older people thirty five plus and above who are
[11:27] Speaker 1: now thinking One nation is the option there when it
[11:29] Speaker 1: comes to renewing things Now. Obviously the Coalition when it
[11:32] Speaker 1: has people like Matt Canavan towards the front of it,
[11:34] Speaker 1: well they're able to put a better argument. But to
[11:37] Speaker 1: this point, I believe a lot of people have moved
[11:39] Speaker 1: and they're not coming back anytime soon. Further explanation from
[11:42] Speaker 1: Costamaris in the Financial Review today, and again good to
[11:46] Speaker 1: see unlike the ABC sending people out to go and
[11:48] Speaker 1: study one nation voters, this bloke's actually talking to them
[11:52] Speaker 1: about the constituency. The one nation is capturing not because
[11:55] Speaker 1: its policies are coherent or prescriptions are adequate. They are neither,
[11:59] Speaker 1: but because Paul H. Hanson and her candidates offer something
[12:02] Speaker 1: the major parties stopped offering a long time ago, the
[12:04] Speaker 1: acknowledgment that something has gone badly wrong and that somebody
[12:08] Speaker 1: is responsible for it, to somebody being the existing major parties.
[12:12] Speaker 1: These voters are not confused. They're not susceptible to simple manipulation.
[12:16] Speaker 1: They have lived for nearly two decades through the managed
[12:18] Speaker 1: decline of the world that they were promised, and they
[12:21] Speaker 1: have watched the institutions charged with the welfare either accelerate
[12:26] Speaker 1: that decline or look away. Their verdict will be delivered
[12:29] Speaker 1: through the ballot box and is growing in growing numbers.
[12:31] Speaker 1: It is not a protest. It is revenge. Healla lujah.
[12:35] Speaker 1: That's what people who either want their fortunes to fall
[12:39] Speaker 1: away because you don't know one nation, or you prefer
[12:41] Speaker 1: them to go somewhere else in the conservative vote, that's
[12:43] Speaker 1: what you're up against. A system that has failed, that
[12:47] Speaker 1: has failed too many for too long, and therefore, if
[12:50] Speaker 1: you have been part of the problem, how you get
[12:51] Speaker 1: to offer yourself as part of the solution. This is
[12:53] Speaker 1: a problem. Now we'll get to the Andrew Hasty of
[12:57] Speaker 1: things a little bit later. And I think some people
[12:58] Speaker 1: are been a bit too tough on him, but I'll
[13:00] Speaker 1: explain why in a moment of two's time. Two examples
[13:03] Speaker 1: of Pauline Hanson and how she is pushing and pushing hard.
[13:06] Speaker 1: You're not the only voice in all of this, but
[13:08] Speaker 1: these are just the past couple of examples that come
[13:10] Speaker 1: to mind. Here. She was the one in the Parliament
[13:12] Speaker 1: today absolutely giving it to our relationship with China.
[13:17] Speaker 8: If you think this is the start of it, it's not.
[13:21] Speaker 8: It's going to get worse than that because of a
[13:24] Speaker 8: lot of our imports come from China. The fuel, if
[13:28] Speaker 8: you're talking about fuel and energy, now start or start
[13:32] Speaker 8: going after our own fuel here in this nation. Be
[13:36] Speaker 8: self sufficient, Start up the industry's manufacturing. You've got China
[13:41] Speaker 8: invades Taiwan, we are going to be in one hell
[13:44] Speaker 8: of a mess. We import three hundred billion dollars worth
[13:47] Speaker 8: of product from there.
[13:49] Speaker 2: That is going to be worse. So we will be
[13:52] Speaker 2: on our knees.
[13:53] Speaker 8: And I've been speaking about againstzation since nineteen ninety.
[13:57] Speaker 1: Six, and like many she is rather skeptical about the
[14:01] Speaker 1: endless amount of taxation which gets placed onto mining companies.
[14:06] Speaker 9: It's not about higher taxes, because you keep taxing the industry,
[14:09] Speaker 9: you're going to kill the golden goose. And that's what
[14:11] Speaker 9: they're doing in Queensland. They're shutting down the mining industry
[14:14] Speaker 9: because they're taxing more and more all the time, especially
[14:16] Speaker 9: in coal mining.
[14:18] Speaker 1: Now it's been a while since I've talked about the
[14:20] Speaker 1: Minister for Freebies, our old man, Anika Wells, but it
[14:22] Speaker 1: is worth talking about her because while she became famous
[14:26] Speaker 1: to the country as of course the lady who got
[14:29] Speaker 1: a free ticket to almost anything and everything and was
[14:33] Speaker 1: doing snow angels on the field after a Grand Final,
[14:39] Speaker 1: because she's the most important sports minister ever, she was
[14:43] Speaker 1: also the Agecare Minister in the last Federal Parliament. She
[14:48] Speaker 1: was held responsible or given the responsibility to come up
[14:52] Speaker 1: with a whole new way of saving the age care system.
[14:55] Speaker 1: But guess what the system that the Minister for freebees
[14:59] Speaker 1: put in place before she bug it off to be
[15:01] Speaker 1: in charge of the Communications portfolio, yet still being able
[15:05] Speaker 1: to have the free tickets has produced a scenario that
[15:08] Speaker 1: is frightening and I want to say well done to
[15:11] Speaker 1: any and everyone who is involved in this series which
[15:14] Speaker 1: is being put not just in the Daily Telegraph, there
[15:16] Speaker 1: at Sun Courier Mail and the TiSER as well, and
[15:19] Speaker 1: it is all about talking about how terrible the system
[15:22] Speaker 1: has become when it comes to aged care. A pole
[15:26] Speaker 1: which has been conducted by the group by News Corps
[15:30] Speaker 1: Growth Intelligence Center, confirmed that in general, people think that
[15:34] Speaker 1: age care is unaffordable. Percent of the nine hundred and
[15:38] Speaker 1: twenty four respondents worried about the cost. Thirty percent of
[15:41] Speaker 1: those in age care said that the system had not
[15:43] Speaker 1: cut services since the federal governments November one sector reforms.
[15:47] Speaker 1: These were all the ones that originally were fitted up
[15:49] Speaker 1: by Anika Wells and have been shoved through since. But
[15:54] Speaker 1: for those who have had the changes, almost half slashed.
[15:58] Speaker 1: Domestic help perer, followed by Social support twenty nine percent,
[16:03] Speaker 1: meal preparation twenty eight percent. Why because the new system
[16:06] Speaker 1: is too expensive? Why because, of course, when the government
[16:09] Speaker 1: is paying through you guess what happens. The charge goes
[16:15] Speaker 1: through the roof. Older Australians are being slugged almost one
[16:18] Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars for a pack of seven fruit
[16:21] Speaker 1: smoothies it retails for less than twenty dollars. It comes
[16:26] Speaker 1: as the government faces pressure to urgently overhaul its so
[16:28] Speaker 1: called transformative aged care reforms, Anaka Well's age care reforms,
[16:34] Speaker 1: which have turned basics into luxuries and forced seniors to
[16:37] Speaker 1: choose between food and a one hundred and eighty dollars shower.
[16:41] Speaker 1: In another example, a customers charged an extra one hundred
[16:44] Speaker 1: and six dollars by their provider on top of the
[16:47] Speaker 1: Light and Easy charges just for placing an order for
[16:50] Speaker 1: twenty different meals one hundred and six dollars to fill
[16:53] Speaker 1: out a Light and Easy website on the behalf of
[16:56] Speaker 1: a person with a home package. It's something, however, that
[17:03] Speaker 1: might be able to be changed. Why because basically anyone
[17:05] Speaker 1: who's not a labor MP has decided that this is
[17:09] Speaker 1: an appalling system and one that needs to change. Because
[17:12] Speaker 1: more than one hundred federal politicians have formed the unprecedented
[17:15] Speaker 1: alliance to fight labour shambolic at aged care reforms which
[17:19] Speaker 1: have left seniors much worse off. I repeat the Minister
[17:22] Speaker 1: for freebies, future Prime Minister Anika Wells changes that she
[17:27] Speaker 1: put in place, that she was ah say that for
[17:32] Speaker 1: another time she enraged. Sorry, so enraged by the changes
[17:36] Speaker 1: and the die impact that they are having on constituents.
[17:39] Speaker 1: A group of politicians from the Libs, One Nation National
[17:43] Speaker 1: Party and the Greens, as well as some independence has
[17:46] Speaker 1: sent a two page letter to the minister who has
[17:49] Speaker 1: to implement this rubbish, Sam Ray. Now he's not being
[17:53] Speaker 1: allowed to make many changes. Why because, of course the
[17:55] Speaker 1: Great Anika has decided these things. They warn of an
[18:00] Speaker 1: expanding body of evidence showing that a significant portion of
[18:03] Speaker 1: older people are much worse off under the new regime.
[18:06] Speaker 1: Of course these numbers matter because in the Senate nothing
[18:09] Speaker 1: can pass. Nothing can pass, So there is an opportunity
[18:13] Speaker 1: for those who are in the Senate who want to
[18:15] Speaker 1: be able to say, you know what, government, we're not
[18:16] Speaker 1: doing anything else till we fix this. Also, can it
[18:20] Speaker 1: just be on one person's job in the federal government.
[18:24] Speaker 1: One person's job in the federal government to be able
[18:27] Speaker 1: to say with the NDI is to turn around and say, okay, look,
[18:31] Speaker 1: really that toilet's see let's just double check here, right
[18:34] Speaker 1: the commode. Dare I say, right, how much does that cost?
[18:38] Speaker 1: How much are you charging? Okay, cool, just one second,
[18:39] Speaker 1: I'm just going to see if I can buy it
[18:40] Speaker 1: for myself. Sorry, please explain now how that's twice or
[18:44] Speaker 1: three times what it should be. But we had this
[18:47] Speaker 1: farce that Bill Shorton was going to fix all of that.
[18:49] Speaker 1: But that's before, of course he had to buger off
[18:51] Speaker 1: to universities. And for some reason we still read about
[18:53] Speaker 1: Bill Shorton every couple of weeks like some sort of
[18:56] Speaker 1: the prime minister that never was as soon as the
[19:01] Speaker 1: government is known to be paying, and yes it's a
[19:03] Speaker 1: long way to get there, but if the government is
[19:06] Speaker 1: seen to be paying, then the people who charge the
[19:08] Speaker 1: government just go hack. It's this double, a triple, at quadruplet.
[19:10] Speaker 1: What are they going to do? It's the government, No
[19:12] Speaker 1: one checks. The problem is just like the NDI is
[19:17] Speaker 1: the individual who was the one who needs to have
[19:21] Speaker 1: their food, needs to have the shower, needs to have
[19:24] Speaker 1: the transport or the care is the one who's getting
[19:28] Speaker 1: squeezed because everyone's making cash, but the people who most
[19:33] Speaker 1: need the support don't get it because everyone else is
[19:36] Speaker 1: taking the cash. If anyone wants to fix this system,
[19:39] Speaker 1: they will will get more than a fear hearing from me,
[19:43] Speaker 1: and I hope get many more people's votes because I've
[19:46] Speaker 1: had enough of how abusive This country is towards people
[19:50] Speaker 1: in aged care and how the politicians that are responsible
[19:54] Speaker 1: for systems that produce the results like the ones I
[19:57] Speaker 1: just showed you where they get promoted despite the fact,
[20:02] Speaker 1: of course that they should have got the sack. Why
[20:03] Speaker 1: because of the piddling against the wall of tax payer
[20:07] Speaker 1: money when it comes to their own travel. But they
[20:09] Speaker 1: play a completely different game than us in the real world. Well,
[20:12] Speaker 1: we will keep their feet firmly in the real world,
[20:15] Speaker 1: whether they like it or not. Speaking of Jennie Sealer
[20:19] Speaker 1: is my colleague here at scott News. She's also a
[20:21] Speaker 1: chief regional correspondent. You can well see her in the
[20:25] Speaker 1: regions as we do. As last night we were just
[20:27] Speaker 1: there in Port Macquarie. Well she's now on her way
[20:29] Speaker 1: to the central western New South Wales and she's right now.
[20:32] Speaker 1: I believe you're in Bathist mate, because there's a bit
[20:35] Speaker 1: to talk about. It's not just fuel, but there's also
[20:37] Speaker 1: big problems with the Great Western Highway. Where are you
[20:40] Speaker 1: tonight and Sagodaya those lovely people.
[20:42] Speaker 10: For me, Oh, Paul, I tell you what. We're in
[20:45] Speaker 10: Lithgo and it was very quiet here until they spoke
[20:49] Speaker 10: to us and they heard they were going to be
[20:50] Speaker 10: on the Paul Murray show. They hello everyone, but hello,
[20:55] Speaker 10: are we saying Sagonday to Paul.
[20:59] Speaker 1: Yes.
[20:59] Speaker 10: But the big side here is of course the double
[21:01] Speaker 10: whammy because of the bridge that you mentioned. So it's
[21:04] Speaker 10: basically called the gateway from Sydney to the Blue Mountains
[21:07] Speaker 10: to the Central Coast, and that's affecting them. The government
[21:10] Speaker 10: is saying it's closed for three months, but we're hearing
[21:13] Speaker 10: that the locals are saying, you know, up to about
[21:15] Speaker 10: two to three years. And of course the fuel crisis
[21:18] Speaker 10: may you've got a cafe, how's it affecting you.
[21:22] Speaker 11: So basically the shut off that came in through Harley,
[21:25] Speaker 11: we've obviously got a lot of more traffic Funnelly in
[21:28] Speaker 11: to Lithgo. But that has then obviously caused the tourism
[21:31] Speaker 11: to slow down a little bit because people are a
[21:32] Speaker 11: little bit scared about coming into Lithgo and we just
[21:35] Speaker 11: want to just tell everyone that we are open. Lithgo
[21:37] Speaker 11: is ready to go. We have all our businesses are open,
[21:39] Speaker 11: they're ready and like yeah, we want to promote it,
[21:41] Speaker 11: especially with Easter one weekend. We really want to tell
[21:44] Speaker 11: people that all of the main street businesses. All the
[21:46] Speaker 11: businesses on Lithgo are open and everyone please don't be
[21:48] Speaker 11: afraid of coming down.
[21:49] Speaker 10: And that road that the Great Western Highway's called Convict Bridge.
[21:52] Speaker 10: But there was an accident today, wasn't there because of
[21:54] Speaker 10: the bank cup tell us what happened.
[21:55] Speaker 11: So the back the alternate direction that we had, that
[21:59] Speaker 11: was an accident on top of that and that closed
[22:01] Speaker 11: down for about an hour, which actually closed both directions.
[22:05] Speaker 11: So that backed up all the stuff, all the traffic
[22:07] Speaker 11: into Main Street, Bridge Street, mort Street and white kind
[22:09] Speaker 11: of stuff. So that just stopped everyone dead in their tracks.
[22:12] Speaker 10: And can you are a trucky you've got your own business?
[22:15] Speaker 10: How is the fuel excise and you know the change
[22:18] Speaker 10: today going to affect you?
[22:19] Speaker 12: Is it good?
[22:20] Speaker 10: From what we heard in National cabint.
[22:22] Speaker 13: Oh, look, any any saving is a good saving. But
[22:25] Speaker 13: we've got twenty cents coming off a dollar twenty rise. Yeah,
[22:30] Speaker 13: anything's good, but it's really not going to make that
[22:32] Speaker 13: much difference, I don't think.
[22:34] Speaker 10: And tell us what other businesses are being affected.
[22:37] Speaker 13: Well, in monstre De Lane, there's an electrician, there's a plumber,
[22:39] Speaker 13: there's a brickie, there's an arborist. Everybody that has to
[22:43] Speaker 13: work east of that range now has to add another
[22:46] Speaker 13: two hours minimum to their day. You're traveling twice as far,
[22:51] Speaker 13: so you can only do half the work. So it's
[22:54] Speaker 13: putting massive pressure on everyone in Hartley and we don't
[22:56] Speaker 13: seem to be getting any support from anywhere, and.
[22:59] Speaker 10: Paul, they're saying that they're not really getting much support,
[23:02] Speaker 10: as you mentioned, from governments. And it's that double whammy,
[23:05] Speaker 10: isn't it, Because it's just affecting so many businesses, not
[23:08] Speaker 10: just here in Lithgo, Orange Bath as the central West,
[23:11] Speaker 10: as you mentioned.
[23:12] Speaker 5: It's huge.
[23:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, I mean, Janie again, this is why it's
[23:16] Speaker 1: so good to be and go and talk to people
[23:18] Speaker 1: about this. Ken. I'll get to you in a second,
[23:20] Speaker 1: but may I just want to ask you first here
[23:23] Speaker 1: which is a message is certainly I picked up in
[23:25] Speaker 1: Port Macquarie right, was people are nervous that what would
[23:29] Speaker 1: normally be people's travel in the easter holidays people aren't
[23:32] Speaker 1: going to do because of the cost of petrol. I've
[23:35] Speaker 1: suggested things like the state government get involved in some
[23:38] Speaker 1: of those travel vouchers like they did during COVID. It
[23:41] Speaker 1: just means, okay, it might cost an extra hundred bucks
[23:43] Speaker 1: to go somewhere. But if it's fifty dollars off the accommodation,
[23:47] Speaker 1: then people will be able to go there. They'll be
[23:48] Speaker 1: able to go to the Workers Club or that magnificent
[23:50] Speaker 1: Chinese restaurant on Main Street. What do you think of
[23:53] Speaker 1: those sorts of things as a bit of help to
[23:56] Speaker 1: get people into the town, mate.
[24:00] Speaker 10: Paul's saying about the travel vouchers, and you know he's
[24:02] Speaker 10: coming up with some ideas on you know, travel vouchers
[24:04] Speaker 10: getting people.
[24:05] Speaker 11: Yeah, We're all about like any sort of promotion that
[24:08] Speaker 11: can happen. And I think that just banking people aware
[24:11] Speaker 11: that we are here, we are open the roads. Like, yes,
[24:15] Speaker 11: I understand there's going to be a traffic builder. I
[24:17] Speaker 11: understand there's going to be a delay, but I mean
[24:19] Speaker 11: the drive down is amazing. It's a beautiful place in
[24:22] Speaker 11: Lithgo itself. Speaking about Lithgo itself is a beautiful, beautiful town.
[24:26] Speaker 11: So I think if we can just promote that, tourism
[24:28] Speaker 11: can just come down and just show some love for
[24:31] Speaker 11: like a little central West area.
[24:32] Speaker 10: Yeah, Kenny, you supper the idea that people was saying
[24:35] Speaker 10: in terms of dead Yeah.
[24:36] Speaker 1: No, I was gonna say, Jenny, if you're going to
[24:37] Speaker 1: ask Ken for me, right, which is Ken? I'd love
[24:39] Speaker 1: to know? Right? Yeah? Is it an amazing Ken? Right?
[24:43] Speaker 1: All these politicians who today are going to say they
[24:45] Speaker 1: care about your industry, geez, they've been more than happy
[24:48] Speaker 1: to see you guys swing for a few weeks and
[24:50] Speaker 1: a few months.
[24:50] Speaker 13: Now, one hundred percent mate. There's really no real sort
[24:57] Speaker 13: of support in that way. I really don't think they
[25:01] Speaker 13: could care less. He could very easily get into the
[25:05] Speaker 13: renewable thing. I missed the Albanez. He would love to
[25:08] Speaker 13: see us all go electric. But let's face it, it's not
[25:11] Speaker 13: really practical, is it?
[25:12] Speaker 1: Or did you?
[25:13] Speaker 13: And that's not going to help. That's not going to
[25:16] Speaker 13: help the people in Hartley, the businesses that are suffering.
[25:21] Speaker 13: It's not just the businesses, it's the people trying to
[25:23] Speaker 13: get kids the school, trying to get themselves to work.
[25:27] Speaker 13: This is a lot bigger than just a few places
[25:29] Speaker 13: that aren't getting walk in trade, you know.
[25:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, bloody Earth, And sadly it gets worse before it
[25:34] Speaker 1: gets better, all right, will strengthen? Love to you both,
[25:35] Speaker 1: all the best to Janney, have a good time in
[25:38] Speaker 1: Lithgo enjoy yourselves tonight we'll see all of the reporting
[25:40] Speaker 1: at Skyy's dot com, do you, and of course on
[25:42] Speaker 1: Scottey's regional and the main channels as well. All right,
[25:45] Speaker 1: quick breakback with more plenty to talk about here tonight,
[25:48] Speaker 1: the great Mecanavan joins us next he will make plenty
[25:51] Speaker 1: of sense, common sense, and just again, I'll tell you
[25:54] Speaker 1: why I'm not that dark on Andrew Hasty and what
[25:57] Speaker 1: he's had to say over the past couple of days.
[25:59] Speaker 1: And no, it's not because I'm part of some global conspiracy.
[26:08] Speaker 1: Well we are, of course the show that is everywhere
[26:11] Speaker 1: from Lithgo. We we're talking to truckies, tourism operators in
[26:16] Speaker 1: the front bar. Let's go now to the Mayor of Melbourne,
[26:19] Speaker 1: none other than the wonderful Nicholas Reese. Let's also then
[26:22] Speaker 1: flip over to the National Party leader, the deputy leader
[26:26] Speaker 1: of the coalition, none other than Matt Canavan, and of
[26:28] Speaker 1: course me and the man Cave. It's a place to
[26:30] Speaker 1: be tonight, all right, So Matt, good on you for
[26:33] Speaker 1: being able to get common sense. Thankfully they copied your homework.
[26:37] Speaker 1: Thankfully each way albou changed his mind. But there's a
[26:40] Speaker 1: little bit of detail in all of this that a
[26:41] Speaker 1: couple of mates have just texted me during the break,
[26:43] Speaker 1: which is the GST part of this. Now, I can't
[26:46] Speaker 1: quite follow what they said they were going to do today,
[26:49] Speaker 1: because obviously the GST is raised through a federal mechanism
[26:53] Speaker 1: but given to the states, and obviously ten percent on
[26:57] Speaker 1: an increasing amount you're spending on fewel means have been
[26:59] Speaker 1: making a pre penny. But apparently the States are either
[27:02] Speaker 1: going to forego the extra revenue or find a way
[27:04] Speaker 1: to give it back. Do you know what they're going
[27:05] Speaker 1: to do with the GST part of this?
[27:10] Speaker 5: Look, Paul, I'm not too sure about that, sorrow, because
[27:13] Speaker 5: that was discussed in national Cabinet and I wasn't there,
[27:16] Speaker 5: so I'm not exactly sure. It's a matter for the States.
[27:18] Speaker 5: And just like the COMWALTH is giving up some of
[27:21] Speaker 5: its revenue, I think it's only fair the States to
[27:22] Speaker 5: do the same.
[27:23] Speaker 2: But it is the revenue.
[27:25] Speaker 5: I've had some calculations done, Paul. Today is to look
[27:28] Speaker 5: into this because a lot of people have been raising it,
[27:30] Speaker 5: and roughly speaking, the States are probably pocketing another two
[27:34] Speaker 5: hundred million dollars a month thanks to this petrol price changes,
[27:37] Speaker 5: and that doesn't factory in perhaps other changes. Obviously people
[27:41] Speaker 5: might be spending less money on other goods and services
[27:44] Speaker 5: given how much it's costing to fill up your tank.
[27:47] Speaker 2: So it's a bit of a raw estimate.
[27:49] Speaker 5: But this change with its exercise cot, as you said,
[27:52] Speaker 5: it's something Angus Taylor and I called for last Friday.
[27:55] Speaker 5: It took the government three days for it to suit
[27:58] Speaker 5: their commit communications and media strategy. But great, we've got it.
[28:02] Speaker 5: That's going to save people around eight hundred million dollars
[28:06] Speaker 5: a month across Australia in both the reduced truck fees
[28:09] Speaker 5: and petrol prices with the exercise cards. So look, it's
[28:14] Speaker 5: an order of magnitude greater than what's being raised in
[28:16] Speaker 5: the GST. It's to say, it's what the comalth can do.
[28:19] Speaker 5: It gives people a bit of breathing space. Obviously, it's
[28:21] Speaker 5: still going to be very very tough for a lot
[28:23] Speaker 5: of trucking businesses and a lot of families with these
[28:25] Speaker 5: elevated prices at the moment.
[28:27] Speaker 1: Well also let's be very clear too, if you see
[28:30] Speaker 1: a service station that does not drop at midnight on
[28:33] Speaker 1: Wednesday by that number, then it's not just about you know,
[28:37] Speaker 1: porting on social media. Those companies, not the individual, but
[28:40] Speaker 1: the companies will they deserve all of the rage and
[28:44] Speaker 1: hopefully some of the regulatory consequences as well. Nick I
[28:47] Speaker 1: want to talk about the second part of this right,
[28:49] Speaker 1: which is again, whenever we move to stage three and
[28:52] Speaker 1: don't collect two hundred dollars, whenever we get to stage
[28:54] Speaker 1: four and they take two hundred dollars from us. Obviously
[28:58] Speaker 1: at some moment here is the don't leave your house,
[29:01] Speaker 1: and definitely if you do leave your house, only walk
[29:03] Speaker 1: wherever you want to go. You need Melbourne to be pumping.
[29:06] Speaker 1: It has taken a long time for it to come
[29:08] Speaker 1: back from COVID lockdowns. What is your message and do
[29:11] Speaker 1: you have any data that the number of people going
[29:14] Speaker 1: into the CBD has fallen since the cost of driving
[29:18] Speaker 1: into it has increased.
[29:21] Speaker 6: Yeah. Look, so starting with that final point, but there
[29:23] Speaker 6: has been a little bit of softening in visitor numbers
[29:26] Speaker 6: into the city, people deciding not to jump in their cars.
[29:30] Speaker 6: At the same time, I should say we have seen
[29:33] Speaker 6: an increase in public transport uses, particularly regional trains into
[29:37] Speaker 6: the city in Victoria, and the state government has announced
[29:41] Speaker 6: free public transport for the next month, so we are
[29:44] Speaker 6: hoping that provides a boost to numbers, but yes, we
[29:48] Speaker 6: have seen a bit of a softening there.
[29:51] Speaker 12: I think we've.
[29:51] Speaker 6: Got to keep calm and keep taking proportionate measures as
[29:57] Speaker 6: we move through this situation and not overreact. So I
[30:02] Speaker 6: don't think we're yet at a point where we should
[30:04] Speaker 6: be saying, you know, Ossie's work from home. I still
[30:07] Speaker 6: think we've got a bit of a way to go
[30:09] Speaker 6: there because and of course there's other negative consequences from
[30:13] Speaker 6: doing that, so you've got to weigh that up. And
[30:16] Speaker 6: then I think some of these other restrictions around people's
[30:19] Speaker 6: movement and that sort of thing I think we need
[30:22] Speaker 6: to tread very carefully on as well. I was very
[30:24] Speaker 6: pleased to see the Prime Minister today saying that Ozzie's
[30:27] Speaker 6: should proceed with their Easter holiday plans. Again, that's the
[30:31] Speaker 6: timing year that provides a huge boost to regional communities
[30:33] Speaker 6: with people.
[30:34] Speaker 12: Getting out camping, traveling all over the place.
[30:36] Speaker 6: So again it's about keeping calm and taking a proportionate
[30:41] Speaker 6: response on these things. I also think it was a
[30:43] Speaker 6: very good mood today to cut those taxes, and I
[30:44] Speaker 6: suspect we're going to see more of that if prices
[30:47] Speaker 6: stay high.
[30:48] Speaker 1: Well, I mean part of the politics here is the
[30:50] Speaker 1: reason they didn't do fifty two cents today is so
[30:52] Speaker 1: they can do another twenty six seeds at some point
[30:55] Speaker 1: further down the track. Right. But also rather than the
[30:58] Speaker 1: complication of going back a month or or or the
[31:00] Speaker 1: GST buybacks all the rest of it, right, I want
[31:03] Speaker 1: state government to put money into those travel vouchers. It
[31:05] Speaker 1: might just be fifty bucks, it might only be five
[31:08] Speaker 1: thousand of them, and you might to qualify you have
[31:11] Speaker 1: to travel two hundred k's from your house. I don't
[31:13] Speaker 1: know what the calculation is. But again, certainly the experience
[31:16] Speaker 1: that we just had important Macquarie, the conversations that we
[31:19] Speaker 1: had with people who've gone from seventy five percent occupancy
[31:22] Speaker 1: down to twenty five percent. We've got to somehow bridge
[31:24] Speaker 1: that gap for this easter. But Matt, there's also the
[31:27] Speaker 1: bigger question, right, which is the reason we are here
[31:30] Speaker 1: and the hole that we are in now. I know,
[31:32] Speaker 1: for as long as we've been mates, as long as
[31:34] Speaker 1: we've been talking on the television, you have been demanding
[31:37] Speaker 1: that this country becomes more energy self sufficient, right, But
[31:41] Speaker 1: obviously those calls have fallen on deaf years by collective
[31:44] Speaker 1: governments and multiple stripes who somehow have too hard basketed this.
[31:48] Speaker 1: The reality is is that I think Australians are seeing
[31:51] Speaker 1: right now that okay, we get it, climate change is well,
[31:54] Speaker 1: we want to do our bit, but we're one percent
[31:56] Speaker 1: of the world's problem. And if that results in us
[31:59] Speaker 1: getting cut off places like China for fuel, screw that.
[32:03] Speaker 1: Let's have some more coming from our country.
[32:08] Speaker 5: I think there's a massive sea change occurring here.
[32:10] Speaker 2: Paul.
[32:10] Speaker 5: We've lived in the fantasy land for the last decade
[32:14] Speaker 5: or so, convincing ourselves that the laws of physics don't
[32:17] Speaker 5: apply in our country and that we could fill up
[32:21] Speaker 5: our petrol tank with a carbon credit. That that fantasy
[32:25] Speaker 5: is being shattered in front of our eyes. And just
[32:28] Speaker 5: to confirm what a great, big shift this is, yesterday
[32:34] Speaker 5: Paul came out which showed that forty that is full
[32:37] Speaker 5: zero forty percent of Greens voters support now drilling for oil.
[32:42] Speaker 5: Forty percent of Greens voters support for drilling for oil
[32:45] Speaker 5: now seventy percent overall in the population. So I don't
[32:49] Speaker 5: know what the Labor Party is waiting for. They should
[32:51] Speaker 5: be getting out the orrigs, getting out incentives to do
[32:54] Speaker 5: this asap. Now, that is not going to help us
[32:56] Speaker 5: in the very short term, but there is room to
[32:59] Speaker 5: be some optimistic. As a country, we have the second
[33:02] Speaker 5: largest energy reserves resources sorry per person in the world,
[33:06] Speaker 5: only after Saudi Arabia. We've got heaps, heaps, heaps of uranium.
[33:10] Speaker 5: The issue we've got is a liquid fuels. We need
[33:12] Speaker 5: to convert that energy to liquid fuels. We can do
[33:15] Speaker 5: that through trade and the short term. In the longer term,
[33:18] Speaker 5: we released to report today the National's Party looking at
[33:20] Speaker 5: things like coal to liquids can be brought online pretty
[33:22] Speaker 5: quickly and we should be getting those ready just in
[33:25] Speaker 5: case there's a longer interuption.
[33:28] Speaker 1: Wrong with that, Nick Well.
[33:29] Speaker 12: I mean, so this is where Matt and I have
[33:31] Speaker 12: a sharp difference of Opinionamic.
[33:32] Speaker 6: He's in the drill, Baby, drill camp and I'm in
[33:36] Speaker 6: the bring on the clean energy revolution camp.
[33:38] Speaker 2: I mean, it's a.
[33:39] Speaker 6: Great opportunity for Australia to unleash that awesome renewable energy
[33:46] Speaker 6: resource we have in this country strategic so the best
[33:50] Speaker 6: soul and win resources in the world, and we need
[33:55] Speaker 6: the opportunity.
[33:56] Speaker 12: I mean, you just look at what China has been
[33:59] Speaker 12: doing in in these years installing the rest of the world.
[34:08] Speaker 6: Environment been doing that because they realize the strategic security
[34:13] Speaker 6: imperatives of doing so, and we should be smart and
[34:16] Speaker 6: do the same.
[34:17] Speaker 5: Okay, look, Nick, I've got nothing against solar panels, as
[34:20] Speaker 5: the Guardian reporter the other day, I've got them on
[34:21] Speaker 5: my roof at home, and nothing against the mate.
[34:23] Speaker 2: But let's get back to the real world China.
[34:25] Speaker 5: In the real world, China is is burning four hundred
[34:31] Speaker 5: million tons of coal a year, almost our total coal
[34:33] Speaker 5: production a year, to create liquids.
[34:36] Speaker 2: They convert coal to liquid. Feels exactly what I just said.
[34:39] Speaker 5: China's building two coal fire power stations a week as
[34:42] Speaker 5: well as putting all those solar panels up. I'm not
[34:43] Speaker 5: against us doing solo. I'm against us doing this insane thing.
[34:47] Speaker 5: We only use one form of our energy resources and
[34:50] Speaker 5: ignore all the other. And we can all see the
[34:52] Speaker 5: cost of that narrow minded approach. Now we should be
[34:56] Speaker 5: looking after securing all of our energy needs. Obviously that
[34:59] Speaker 5: in lose liquid fuels. You cannot drive a massive truck
[35:03] Speaker 5: halfway around the country. You cannot power a tractor that
[35:06] Speaker 5: has to play our field through an electric vehicle. They
[35:09] Speaker 5: have to use diesel and we are short on diesel
[35:12] Speaker 5: because our oil supplies are all production is now mainly
[35:15] Speaker 5: down at the lighter condensate end of the oil spectrum,
[35:18] Speaker 5: and we have.
[35:19] Speaker 2: To import most of our diesel from overseas.
[35:21] Speaker 5: Can I say one thing, Paula, I mean you just
[35:23] Speaker 5: keep encouraging can hang on nic half half you get
[35:30] Speaker 5: least of it. Half of our half of our imports
[35:33] Speaker 5: by weight are liquid fuels. That is a massive strategic
[35:37] Speaker 5: vulnerability for our country. Half of these ships by weight
[35:40] Speaker 5: coming to this country liquid fuels. We should be seeking
[35:43] Speaker 5: to replace that with our own resources so we're not
[35:45] Speaker 5: vulnerable to disruption and switch shipping lanes.
[35:47] Speaker 6: All right, the mayor of Melbourne, please well look, I
[35:52] Speaker 6: just don't think Matt has been keeping up with the
[35:53] Speaker 6: technological advances that are happening in areas, like electric vehicles,
[35:58] Speaker 6: and even he got electric vehicles as well. You know,
[36:01] Speaker 6: in the city of Melbourne, our waist trucks powered by electricity,
[36:05] Speaker 6: our street cleaners are powered by electricity, so you can
[36:08] Speaker 6: stay there at the survey filling up your monster truck
[36:11] Speaker 6: with diesel. The rest of the world is moving on
[36:14] Speaker 6: to evs and big vehicles can move through EV powertrains.
[36:20] Speaker 6: So Matt, you've got to stop sort of misleading people
[36:23] Speaker 6: on this. You've kind of got a drill baby drill
[36:26] Speaker 6: delusion syndrome, and Australia we be much better we embrace
[36:31] Speaker 6: petrological opportunities that are there for the taking.
[36:35] Speaker 1: All right. I want to ask you about the priminium
[36:36] Speaker 1: working so well for us. When he did an interview
[36:39] Speaker 1: on the ABC this evening with the seven thirty program
[36:43] Speaker 1: where he was asked around the war and Iran, and
[36:46] Speaker 1: there's this talking point which has sort of popped up
[36:48] Speaker 1: in the past twenty four hours and it seems to
[36:51] Speaker 1: me to be designed to be an impossible bar to
[36:54] Speaker 1: meet for Australia to be doing anything more than we
[36:56] Speaker 1: currently are. But here's what he said, you want more
[37:00] Speaker 1: certainty from Donald Trump.
[37:01] Speaker 6: What do you mean by that?
[37:03] Speaker 4: What I'd like to see is a time frame or
[37:09] Speaker 4: a clearer objective. So I want to see a recognition
[37:13] Speaker 4: of the economic damage that this conflict is continuing to
[37:21] Speaker 4: result in. And I want to see any objective of
[37:27] Speaker 4: what is to be achieved by further conflict rather than negotiation.
[37:33] Speaker 4: And I want to see an end or a de
[37:36] Speaker 4: escalation to the conflict.
[37:39] Speaker 9: There now have you communicated those wishes to the president
[37:44] Speaker 9: your ally.
[37:46] Speaker 4: Well, we continue to engage very constructively with the United.
[37:50] Speaker 1: States, Nicholas. You know your labor history. Thank goodness, this bloke.
[37:54] Speaker 1: It was not there when John Curtain was Because could
[37:56] Speaker 1: you imagine the conversations in around World War two? Excuse me,
[38:00] Speaker 1: mister president, excuse me from it. Can you give me
[38:02] Speaker 1: an exact timeline, you know, because in three weeks time
[38:05] Speaker 1: we're going to make sure that our troops are home
[38:08] Speaker 1: because we're going to have a long weekend because the
[38:11] Speaker 1: AFL Grand Finals on. Like, honestly, no leader, no leader
[38:16] Speaker 1: of any no leader can deliver what has just been
[38:19] Speaker 1: asked for. But also the question is deliberately set up.
[38:24] Speaker 1: Australia's not involved in this, that's our decision. Reality is
[38:28] Speaker 1: though there is going to be an ongoing global consequence
[38:32] Speaker 1: of the war that is taking place, There's no doubt
[38:35] Speaker 1: about it. But to me, that was Albo sitting the
[38:37] Speaker 1: bar higher that not even a pole vaulter could get over.
[38:42] Speaker 4: Ah.
[38:43] Speaker 12: Look, I'm not sure, Paul.
[38:44] Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think we all agree that John
[38:46] Speaker 6: Curtin was Australia's greatest wartime leader. But I think you know,
[38:49] Speaker 6: when you've got Andrew Hasty and Anthony Alberizi now on
[38:54] Speaker 6: the same page over this war, I think it is
[38:57] Speaker 6: time to start asking some questions.
[38:59] Speaker 12: Int He described it as a miscalculation.
[39:02] Speaker 6: I think Albanezi is been making a fair point where
[39:05] Speaker 6: he says, what is the objective here? You know, it
[39:07] Speaker 6: started out as removing their nuclear capability, then it seemed
[39:11] Speaker 6: to become completely degrade their military capability. Then it became
[39:15] Speaker 6: you know, free up the straight of the Muors. Now
[39:17] Speaker 6: it's raging, like.
[39:18] Speaker 12: What actually is it? Meanwhile, the men and our livelihoods.
[39:23] Speaker 6: Our livelihoods are facing the biggest challenge we've seen in decades.
[39:27] Speaker 6: So you know, like we've got to get some common
[39:29] Speaker 6: sense into all this stuff.
[39:30] Speaker 1: We again, Matt, you know, obviously you've spoke in a
[39:34] Speaker 1: different capacity before all this takes place. And this is
[39:36] Speaker 1: where I'm not going to come down on Andrew Hasty
[39:39] Speaker 1: like a ton of bricks, right, Okay. Obviously, message, discipline,
[39:43] Speaker 1: cabinet solidarity, I get all of these things and what
[39:45] Speaker 1: these issues are. I want people to be able to
[39:48] Speaker 1: speak their ahead and speak their heart. Obviously you've done
[39:51] Speaker 1: that with us for a long time. As as Nick
[39:53] Speaker 1: and many, if not all, of our guests do that.
[39:55] Speaker 1: So I don't have a problem with that, and I
[39:57] Speaker 1: don't think that his logic is particularly scanned about what
[40:01] Speaker 1: is taking place in Iran. Certainly, America, to my view,
[40:05] Speaker 1: has shown incredible success in the Trump presidency of the
[40:08] Speaker 1: hit and run, right, obviously with Venezuela, hit and run,
[40:12] Speaker 1: obviously when it came to the nuclear facilities, hit and run.
[40:15] Speaker 1: We also know that they have done excellent work in
[40:18] Speaker 1: trying to make sure that Israel is able to defend itself,
[40:22] Speaker 1: meaning that when a run was lobbing everything, the Iron
[40:25] Speaker 1: Dome kept them safe. So again we can talk of
[40:29] Speaker 1: the Andrew hasty of it all, but I just don't
[40:31] Speaker 1: think that that is sort of the marching offense. You know,
[40:33] Speaker 1: you don't get too many of them. But Matt, what
[40:35] Speaker 1: about the Prime Minister and what he's trying to say here? Again,
[40:39] Speaker 1: it just seems like an impossible bar to be cleared,
[40:43] Speaker 1: because as if Donald Trump himself knows, because no leader
[40:47] Speaker 1: knows exactly when the other guy is going to give up,
[40:53] Speaker 1: what will Paul.
[40:54] Speaker 5: I'm going to be a little bit more generous to
[40:56] Speaker 5: the promise for this instance. So I think the committal
[40:59] Speaker 5: of Australia troops and Australian military hardware is the most
[41:02] Speaker 5: important decision any Prime minister can make, and before committing
[41:07] Speaker 5: such resources and particularly potentially putting people's lives on the line,
[41:13] Speaker 5: I think it's reasonable, fair and reasonable to understand what
[41:16] Speaker 5: the objectives are, what are the different to off ramps
[41:21] Speaker 5: from a war, because we've learnt the lesson surely in
[41:24] Speaker 5: the last generation or two. The most important thing about
[41:27] Speaker 5: going into war is knowing how you're going to get
[41:29] Speaker 5: out of it. And my biggest issue with what the
[41:33] Speaker 5: Prome mister just said there tonight on the seven thirty
[41:35] Speaker 5: report is not those statements that we should have that
[41:39] Speaker 5: information before committing Australian resources and troops. It's that he
[41:43] Speaker 5: hasn't expressed those to the President. Sorry, pretty clearly. Why
[41:47] Speaker 5: hasn't the Prime Minister had a chat with our greatest
[41:49] Speaker 5: ally here when clearly there is a very significant conflict
[41:53] Speaker 5: going on. I don't think Andrew Hasty said anything too
[41:55] Speaker 5: Outland's to say. Look, basically, things aren't going exactly to plan,
[41:59] Speaker 5: which is not on new in a war or a
[42:01] Speaker 5: conflict situation.
[42:02] Speaker 2: But as a good friend at all, it would.
[42:04] Speaker 5: Be great I think for the Prime Minister to pick
[42:06] Speaker 5: up the phone, have a chat to the President and
[42:08] Speaker 5: see what, if anything, we can do to help.
[42:11] Speaker 1: I also think that, you know, a person who has
[42:13] Speaker 1: lived a life of being shot at by the bad
[42:15] Speaker 1: guys gets a little more room than those that have not.
[42:18] Speaker 1: That's my view on all of these things. Thank you
[42:20] Speaker 1: very much to senators leaders, current leaders, future senators, future
[42:25] Speaker 1: leaders current and both of you. Thank you very much.
[42:27] Speaker 1: We'll talk to you both next week. Thank you, Nick,
[42:30] Speaker 1: thank you Matt. All right, quick break back with more
[42:32] Speaker 1: no stooks, no lefts when we talk to just Into
[42:35] Speaker 1: nampajimper Price. She joins us from Canberra where she will
[42:38] Speaker 1: have a little to say today about the government getting
[42:41] Speaker 1: rather excited about fully electric trucks or oh one of
[42:49] Speaker 1: our favorite people in Canberra is not from Cambra. She's
[42:52] Speaker 1: from Alice Springs and that's why we love her even more.
[42:54] Speaker 1: Senator just Into nampagymper Price represents the NT in the
[42:58] Speaker 1: Federal Parliament and she's in the Capitol right now. Actually,
[43:00] Speaker 1: obviously they shod a small business minister as well. Love
[43:05] Speaker 1: to see your senator, what about today They were out
[43:06] Speaker 1: in about pointing out a brand new electric truck and
[43:09] Speaker 1: electric truck freight deliveries. Geez, what a coincidence?
[43:14] Speaker 7: Oh how coincidental? Yeah, look, Paul, you know, before I
[43:18] Speaker 7: get to the ridiculousness of the electric truck, you know,
[43:21] Speaker 7: right now, servos are running dry as we know, and
[43:25] Speaker 7: Ossie's are paying ridiculous prices for their fuel and their diesel,
[43:29] Speaker 7: and their eyes aren't deceiving them. And the Prime Minister
[43:33] Speaker 7: keeps telling us that there's plenty of fuel. There's plenty
[43:35] Speaker 7: of fuel, and as he's if he's saying this, then
[43:37] Speaker 7: he's got one job, and that job is to get
[43:39] Speaker 7: that fuel to where it is needed. I am pleased
[43:43] Speaker 7: to say that he has adopted Angus Taylor's plan, which
[43:49] Speaker 7: we were telling him to do at the end of
[43:52] Speaker 7: last week, which was to slash the petrol tax for
[43:56] Speaker 7: three months, saving Australians twenty five cents a liter, and
[44:01] Speaker 7: also to cut the heavy vehicle road user charge for
[44:06] Speaker 7: the next three months. So he's come to his senses,
[44:09] Speaker 7: but it did take him a while to get there.
[44:10] Speaker 7: And then yeah, today, right, I mean, it's ridiculous to
[44:14] Speaker 7: think that ninety percent of our total energy consumption in
[44:16] Speaker 7: this country still is still coal, oil and gas. But
[44:21] Speaker 7: this EV truck rolled in doing lapse of parliament and
[44:25] Speaker 7: the teals were squealing and label were getting incredibly excited.
[44:29] Speaker 7: But the funny thing is right, it traveled two hundred
[44:32] Speaker 7: and fifty kilometers. It was carrying get this right, would
[44:38] Speaker 7: have been good for COVID toilet paper, so.
[44:43] Speaker 4: It was.
[44:44] Speaker 7: It was carrying the lightest load with the lowest density.
[44:49] Speaker 7: You know, if they want to carry on about this
[44:50] Speaker 7: being wonderful, I'd like to see it actually you know,
[44:53] Speaker 7: hauling steel or produce or doing you know, the long
[44:57] Speaker 7: haul freight delivery around the country. And then they have
[45:03] Speaker 7: the audacity to suggest that Aussie's should consider purchasing evs
[45:08] Speaker 7: for crying out loud, just like in a cost of
[45:10] Speaker 7: living crisis, you know, every day ossis can pull forty
[45:13] Speaker 7: grand out of their back pocket and go and get
[45:15] Speaker 7: themselves an EV. I mean, imagine all those people in
[45:17] Speaker 7: remote communities. They'd be jumping out of their skin right
[45:19] Speaker 7: now looking to purchase an EV so they don't have
[45:23] Speaker 7: to pay the exorbitant amounts of diesel at the bowser Ya.
[45:29] Speaker 7: They're living a green fantasy and it's dangerous and it's
[45:33] Speaker 7: costing our economy, the teals and labor.
[45:35] Speaker 1: Now again right, Like you know, I'm obviously a petrol head, right,
[45:39] Speaker 1: you know, I'm all in on the internal combusted engine, right,
[45:43] Speaker 1: But I also understand that this technology will at some
[45:45] Speaker 1: point get to a point where it becomes an option,
[45:49] Speaker 1: all right now for some people who only want to move,
[45:51] Speaker 1: you know, a truckload of toilet paper two hundred and
[45:54] Speaker 1: fifty ks. Guess what, We've got the electric truck for you.
[45:56] Speaker 1: But as you say, the reality of the extreme amount
[46:00] Speaker 1: of circumstances that require something to be dragged around by
[46:03] Speaker 1: a truck, this isn't going to do it right now.
[46:05] Speaker 1: One day maybe, I don't know, not going to pretend.
[46:07] Speaker 1: But we're in twenty and twenty six right now, and
[46:11] Speaker 1: we're not in a position for that to take place.
[46:13] Speaker 1: What I find here is there's a certain fantasy that
[46:18] Speaker 1: is playing out amongst people who believe that this moment,
[46:22] Speaker 1: rather than exposing our failure to have adapted to our
[46:28] Speaker 1: ability to be cut off from the rest of the world,
[46:30] Speaker 1: say that this is the time to adapt to the
[46:32] Speaker 1: dream future. The dream future where there's no truck drivers,
[46:35] Speaker 1: where these are all autonomous vehicles that are somehow self
[46:38] Speaker 1: charging as they go again. There was a thing in
[46:41] Speaker 1: the Sidney Morning Helld their editory the other day was
[46:43] Speaker 1: you know, cheer up everyone, it's going to get better.
[46:46] Speaker 1: In the real world, it hurts, and it hurts today.
[46:51] Speaker 7: It does.
[46:52] Speaker 10: It hurts.
[46:52] Speaker 7: And you know, I've been out and about. I was
[46:56] Speaker 7: out and about in Burrara, I was out and about
[46:58] Speaker 7: in home Bush. I've been out and about in the
[47:01] Speaker 7: territory as well, speaking to businesses and mum and dad,
[47:05] Speaker 7: small family businesses that are doing it bloody tough.
[47:09] Speaker 12: At the moment.
[47:09] Speaker 7: You know, we aren't undergoing an energy transition like the
[47:15] Speaker 7: government would like to suggest right now.
[47:19] Speaker 12: This is just a green utopia.
[47:22] Speaker 7: We are currently faced with a multi crisis that this
[47:26] Speaker 7: government has brought about. You know, We've got a debt
[47:29] Speaker 7: crisis where we're hurtling toward one trillion dollars. We've got
[47:34] Speaker 7: an inflation crisis that's hit hard that every single Australian
[47:38] Speaker 7: is feeling. We've got an energy crisis because of this
[47:42] Speaker 7: utopian heading toward net zero. We've got a manufacturing crisis.
[47:49] Speaker 7: There is no future made in Australia right now. Everything
[47:52] Speaker 7: is being manufactured abroad. So this is a future made abroad.
[47:57] Speaker 7: And then we've got the immigration crisis that where we
[48:00] Speaker 7: we're faced with those who have the dream of owning
[48:04] Speaker 7: their own home one day is actually beginning to be
[48:07] Speaker 7: a nightmare. And then on top of that this ridiculous
[48:10] Speaker 7: fuel crisis that we're faced with, and the expectation wants more. Well,
[48:14] Speaker 7: you know home batteries. Families can go out and purchase
[48:17] Speaker 7: the home battery for between five to fifteen thousand dollars
[48:20] Speaker 7: and you know, on a good day that'll provide as
[48:24] Speaker 7: little as twelve hours of energy for your home. It's
[48:28] Speaker 7: just I mean, I think it's ignorant for those who
[48:35] Speaker 7: can afford all these things have more pectation that the
[48:39] Speaker 7: rest of the country needs to somehow pull their head
[48:42] Speaker 7: in and go along with their fantasy and their dream
[48:45] Speaker 7: that they can clearly afford. But the everyday, poor hard
[48:48] Speaker 7: working Australian is doing it bloody tough. They're working double
[48:52] Speaker 7: time and they're getting nowhere. It's like treading underwater and
[48:57] Speaker 7: trying to keep your head above water.
[48:58] Speaker 1: Right now, A great completely just seemed to love you
[49:01] Speaker 1: to see you as always, Senator, just into namper jumper Price.
[49:04] Speaker 1: We will see you again very very soon. Rushed because
[49:06] Speaker 1: we're on our way towards the Late Debate, which is
[49:07] Speaker 1: coming up next to you on Sky News

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