# Paul Murray Live | 18 February

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 18 Feb 2026, 49 min.

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ISIS brides turned back to Syrian detention camps as Australia faces renewed debate on national security, Pauline Hanson comes under fire for comments about Muslims. Plus, Labor confirms private health insurance premiums are set to rise. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problem the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Thank you Denika, and a little shout out by the way.
[0:08] Speaker 2: Janika Goes Global is one of our great digital shows.
[0:11] Speaker 2: You can find out at sky news dot com dot au.
[0:14] Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson is holding the line. If you saw her
[0:16] Speaker 2: with Chris Kenny, you know what I'm talking about. If
[0:18] Speaker 2: you didn't, I'll explain all in a moment or two's time.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Your payer is going backwards under this government. Things are
[0:26] Speaker 2: getting more expensive. At some point this should become a
[0:28] Speaker 2: political problem, right and the wonderful Megan Kelly joins us
[0:32] Speaker 2: tonight and no Sook's no Lefties Wednesday, talking about how
[0:35] Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton is now trying to to shade on Donald
[0:39] Speaker 2: Trump about the Epstein files.
[0:43] Speaker 3: But I mean everything that comes out of Hillary Clinton's
[0:45] Speaker 3: mouth is a lie, like if she's if her lips
[0:48] Speaker 3: are moving, she's lying.
[0:51] Speaker 2: And a reminderus Sunday night, we are going to be
[0:53] Speaker 2: in Tasmania. We've got some extra seats, which is why
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[1:11] Speaker 1: Dot areu.
[1:14] Speaker 2: To the Isis brides and my view that the Prime
[1:16] Speaker 2: Minister is lying about the government playing no role whatsoever
[1:21] Speaker 2: in creating a red carpet for them to return to Australia.
[1:25] Speaker 2: Now he's decided to change his tone and he's acting
[1:28] Speaker 2: all tough when he's asked about it this week.
[1:32] Speaker 1: It won't repatriate them.
[1:33] Speaker 4: And indeed the government was taken to court by one
[1:37] Speaker 4: of the non government organizations saying that we had a
[1:41] Speaker 4: responsibility and they weren't successful in that. My mother would
[1:45] Speaker 4: have said, if you make your bed, you lie on it.
[1:48] Speaker 2: But of course there is a fine line between the
[1:51] Speaker 2: spin and the truth. Normally with Albow, well, here this
[1:54] Speaker 2: is as black and white as it gets.
[1:56] Speaker 1: You see, for these people to even.
[1:59] Speaker 2: Start the journey thinking about the journey home, they had
[2:02] Speaker 2: to be issued with passports. Now these passports are not
[2:05] Speaker 2: waiting for them at the embassy in Lebanon. Apparently, according
[2:09] Speaker 2: to people in the refugee camp. They have seen the
[2:13] Speaker 2: passports themselves, meaning the travel documents approved in Australia shipped
[2:20] Speaker 2: to the other side of the world, taken into the
[2:24] Speaker 2: refugee camp, makes this something a little weirder than I
[2:29] Speaker 2: would have thought. Now. The government, of course, once caught
[2:34] Speaker 2: with this information today, had to admit the obvious, which
[2:37] Speaker 2: is that yes, they have issued the passports to the
[2:42] Speaker 2: eleven different families and thirty four odd people.
[2:47] Speaker 5: The women and children are or entitled to Australian passports
[2:50] Speaker 5: as citizens of Australia.
[2:52] Speaker 6: The Home Affairs Minister has told seven years Australia has
[2:55] Speaker 6: an obligation to provide passports to women and children trying
[2:59] Speaker 6: to turn home from Islamic state camps in Syria.
[3:03] Speaker 2: Now the Prime Minister has taken the view that there's
[3:07] Speaker 2: no real problem here. Remember what he said the first
[3:09] Speaker 2: time he brought back the Isis brides.
[3:12] Speaker 4: These are Australian citizens who are entitled to be in Australia.
[3:20] Speaker 1: And then again last year.
[3:23] Speaker 4: The question is whether we are repatriating people.
[3:26] Speaker 2: The answer that is non.
[3:29] Speaker 4: The question if the questions do Australian citizens have rights?
[3:32] Speaker 4: The answer to that is of course yes.
[3:35] Speaker 2: Now this is why he's each way elbow because he's
[3:38] Speaker 2: trying to pretend, oh, these people make your bed and
[3:40] Speaker 2: lie in it. Well, guess who is providing the legal
[3:43] Speaker 2: documentation and literally getting somehow it transported to a refugee
[3:49] Speaker 2: camp that begins the path of them returning home. This
[3:55] Speaker 2: is not just me saying it. Even the seven point
[3:59] Speaker 2: thirty report to Night directly contradicted the Prime Minister's spin
[4:04] Speaker 2: versus the reality of what his government is handing these people.
[4:10] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister says, the government is not helping.
[4:14] Speaker 4: No sympathy frankly for people who traveled overseas in order
[4:19] Speaker 4: to participate in what was an attempt to establish a caliphate,
[4:25] Speaker 4: to undermine destroy our way of life. And so as
[4:31] Speaker 4: my mother would say, you make your bed, you lye
[4:34] Speaker 4: in it.
[4:35] Speaker 2: But there has been help.
[4:37] Speaker 7: Clearly, they provide assistance by traveling, by providing them for
[4:41] Speaker 7: the travel doctor, whether they're illegally obliged.
[4:43] Speaker 8: To or not.
[4:45] Speaker 7: It shouldn't be there's information that shouldn't be extracted, like
[4:48] Speaker 7: pulling a tooth. The government should just be upfront with it.
[4:51] Speaker 1: So let's be clear.
[4:52] Speaker 2: Even seven point thirty is calling bs on the Prime Minister,
[4:56] Speaker 2: pretending that the hairy chested stuff that we heard yesterday
[5:00] Speaker 2: was somehow a difference in their change of position when
[5:02] Speaker 2: they went softly softly last year, the many times before,
[5:06] Speaker 2: almost notably straight after he became prime minster in twenty
[5:08] Speaker 2: twenty two. Now the Prime Minister thinks you are too
[5:12] Speaker 2: stupid to remember what he did last time, that the
[5:15] Speaker 2: media will somehow cover his tracks because they always do.
[5:19] Speaker 2: Thankfully they are not, because this is as blatant as
[5:23] Speaker 2: it comes. Now. Tony Burke finally appeared in the media today.
[5:28] Speaker 2: He did so to avoid the six PM News by
[5:31] Speaker 2: popping up on the said program on the ABC. He
[5:34] Speaker 2: holds to the line that if you're an Australian citizen,
[5:36] Speaker 2: you have a right to a passport. No delay, No
[5:39] Speaker 2: one saying no.
[5:42] Speaker 8: Anyone who's a citizen is able to apply for a
[5:45] Speaker 8: passport and receive a passport.
[5:47] Speaker 2: Interesting. Now, you may be able to apply for one,
[5:51] Speaker 2: you may be able to get one, but surely the
[5:54] Speaker 2: processing of that is something that could be at the
[5:57] Speaker 2: very least very strongly delayed. And as my colleague and
[6:01] Speaker 2: friend Andrew Bolt suggested earlier in the night, again, thirty
[6:04] Speaker 2: four passports have been bundled up, have left the country
[6:08] Speaker 2: are not waiting at an embassy in Lebanon, and if
[6:11] Speaker 2: you get yourself to Lebanon, well that's your business. Instead,
[6:14] Speaker 2: people in that camp say that they have seen the
[6:19] Speaker 2: pile of passports. Now the government's trying to pretend that
[6:22] Speaker 2: they are being very serious about the security here, that
[6:26] Speaker 2: despite the fact of the inevitable radicalization of the kids,
[6:29] Speaker 2: the women who ran away to join a caliphate the
[6:32] Speaker 2: most brutal we have seen certainly this century, that one
[6:37] Speaker 2: person is going to be denied a process because they
[6:40] Speaker 2: are considered to be a security risk. Now, amazingly, the
[6:44] Speaker 2: Labor Party, as always when it gets in trouble, needs
[6:48] Speaker 2: to turn around and say yeah, but it's the Liberal's fault,
[6:50] Speaker 2: and that was the tactic tonight. The Prime Minister has
[6:54] Speaker 2: been caught out red handed. Make your bed, lion, and
[6:57] Speaker 2: I don't want them back. But of course this government
[7:00] Speaker 2: has done nothing to delay, nothing to delay the documentation
[7:05] Speaker 2: required to begin to come home.
[7:08] Speaker 1: So quick, look over there.
[7:12] Speaker 8: This individual is somebody who migrated to Australia under the
[7:15] Speaker 8: Howard government, received citizenship under the Howard government, and went
[7:20] Speaker 8: to Syria under the Abbott government.
[7:23] Speaker 2: Okay, now, questions in and around immigration are ones that,
[7:28] Speaker 2: of course, Pauline Hanson has been talking about since the
[7:31] Speaker 2: very first days of the Howard government, in part the
[7:34] Speaker 2: decisions of every government since nineteen ninety six, in all
[7:38] Speaker 2: of its forms, has been part of what is now
[7:42] Speaker 2: the almost third of the Australian vote, which has made
[7:44] Speaker 2: its choice to go with Pauline Hanson. Both sides of
[7:48] Speaker 2: politics blaming a system that both sides of politics have
[7:52] Speaker 2: found a way to let isis brides come back. This
[7:55] Speaker 2: side of politics blaming the other side because somehow, under
[7:58] Speaker 2: another government's watch they were allowed to leave the country. Well,
[8:01] Speaker 2: of course they'd bees as they left the country. So
[8:04] Speaker 2: good luck trying to stop the momentum of Pauline Hanson.
[8:07] Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a moment or two time.
[8:10] Speaker 2: But as for the Prime Minister, was he being engaged
[8:12] Speaker 2: in this issue again today? Was he being pulled up
[8:15] Speaker 2: for the obvious lies that he was pushing yesterday? No,
[8:18] Speaker 2: of course not. He's out and about saying there should
[8:21] Speaker 2: be a high speed rail between Sydney and Newcastle.
[8:24] Speaker 1: How much would that cost?
[8:26] Speaker 2: Ninety billion dollars nine zero b four billion dollars. The
[8:30] Speaker 2: current federal budget is thirty thirty billion dollars in deficit.
[8:34] Speaker 2: This of course would go off budget, meaning you still
[8:37] Speaker 2: have to borrow the money, you just don't have to
[8:38] Speaker 2: provide the receipts. Hence why they love spending other people's money,
[8:42] Speaker 2: especially when it can dig them out of a political
[8:45] Speaker 2: hole of their own making. Now again back to the
[8:50] Speaker 2: paul and Hanson of it all and the past couple
[8:53] Speaker 2: of days. You know what she said in an interview
[8:56] Speaker 2: with Sharry Markson. You know that most people have said
[9:01] Speaker 2: that those comments were too far, and of course I agree.
[9:04] Speaker 2: The concept of good or no good groups of any
[9:07] Speaker 2: people is obviously not the mainstream opinion of Australians. But
[9:14] Speaker 2: today there seemed to be an opportunity of one of
[9:17] Speaker 2: the chief people who will be competing with Pauline Hansen
[9:19] Speaker 2: for a seat in Parliament at the next election, that
[9:22] Speaker 2: being a mate maccanavan, that he is using his opportunities
[9:25] Speaker 2: when appearing in wide areas like Channel nine and their
[9:30] Speaker 2: breakfast show, to be able to try to appeal to
[9:33] Speaker 2: those of you that have changed your mind that you
[9:35] Speaker 2: are hooking up with the wrong type of people.
[9:39] Speaker 9: This statement from Pauline was a devisive inflammatory is UnAustralian
[9:44] Speaker 9: totally UnAustralian for someone to say that eight hundred thousand Australians.
[9:49] Speaker 9: Of those eight hundred thousand Austraians for a Muslim, there's
[9:51] Speaker 9: no good people among them.
[9:52] Speaker 1: That's what Pauline said on Twitter.
[9:55] Speaker 2: He followed up that Barnaby Joyce has not come to
[9:57] Speaker 2: the defense of the comments that were made a couple
[9:59] Speaker 2: of nights go by Pauline Hanson on our air, also
[10:02] Speaker 2: a double down and a new version of comments which
[10:04] Speaker 2: was given in a podcast I believe over on Channel
[10:08] Speaker 2: seven about people not feeling safe to go to certain
[10:10] Speaker 2: parts of Sydney Eden. Barnaby is not defending Pauline on
[10:12] Speaker 2: her ridiculous statement that there are no good Muslims. One
[10:14] Speaker 2: nation is not the answer. Barnaby Joyce was approached by
[10:18] Speaker 2: a reporter today to give his opinion and whether this
[10:21] Speaker 2: is an attempt to put the wedge between the leader
[10:23] Speaker 2: and the new guy. Still, I'll talk to Pauline Hanson
[10:26] Speaker 2: about Pauline Hanson's comments, He says, why are you asking me?
[10:31] Speaker 2: He hung up.
[10:34] Speaker 1: A little earlier tonight.
[10:35] Speaker 2: I suggest you go and watch the full exchange so
[10:36] Speaker 2: she can see everyone in their full context. Pauline Hanson
[10:39] Speaker 2: was given an opportunity to apologize for what she had
[10:42] Speaker 2: said earlier this week with Chris Kenny. This is part
[10:45] Speaker 2: of how it went.
[10:47] Speaker 10: We can't determine and I'm not going to get into
[10:49] Speaker 10: the argument a good Muslim or a bad Muslim.
[10:53] Speaker 11: Second, I'm such a tired but Pauline, that's an argument
[10:57] Speaker 11: you started because you said there are no good Muslims
[11:00] Speaker 11: in Australia.
[11:01] Speaker 2: Now you've listed a whole lot.
[11:02] Speaker 1: Of beliefs and extreme Islam. Yes, everybody's at.
[11:08] Speaker 10: My comments prior to that radical Islam. And then when
[11:12] Speaker 10: when Shari called up and pulled it up and sug yes,
[11:15] Speaker 10: it is about the radical Islam that we have in
[11:18] Speaker 10: the country.
[11:20] Speaker 2: That's right.
[11:21] Speaker 10: She pulled me up and she said that, and I
[11:23] Speaker 10: referred to that.
[11:25] Speaker 2: Now she would suggest that is the broadening of the
[11:27] Speaker 2: comments for others. It won't be enough. Again, the concept
[11:30] Speaker 2: of no good and good I'm not going to bind
[11:33] Speaker 2: any of that. Obviously, there's no way you can put
[11:35] Speaker 2: things in that fashion. But when it comes to radical Islam,
[11:39] Speaker 2: there are conversations which clearly are happening in houses around
[11:42] Speaker 2: the country where they agree with the way in which
[11:45] Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson is engaging on this topic again, polite society
[11:48] Speaker 2: may not like it. I am not endorsing what has
[11:51] Speaker 2: been said, but but, but let's have a look at
[11:53] Speaker 2: the numbers. When Pauline Hansen will the burker into Parliament,
[11:57] Speaker 2: I will repeat that she was running at fifteen percent
[12:00] Speaker 2: in the polls.
[12:01] Speaker 1: All of the condemnation from.
[12:02] Speaker 2: All of the people who quite rightly are condemning and
[12:04] Speaker 2: waving their fingers right now, I guess what happened. Vote
[12:06] Speaker 2: went up, vote almost doubled. And as for the Libs,
[12:11] Speaker 2: with their newfound sense of purpose and focus, they're trying
[12:14] Speaker 2: to find new ways to go after the person who
[12:17] Speaker 2: is eating their lunch.
[12:20] Speaker 12: When Australians are agrieved, they turn to a grievance party
[12:23] Speaker 12: like One Nation.
[12:24] Speaker 13: I don't agree with them, and I never engage in
[12:27] Speaker 13: the extremes of politics.
[12:28] Speaker 2: I never do. Now, amazingly, some of the best reporting
[12:32] Speaker 2: to give us an insight into what is actually driving
[12:35] Speaker 2: the realignment of what is happening on the center right
[12:37] Speaker 2: of Australian politics was done by the ABC and the
[12:41] Speaker 2: seat of Parah, which we'll be having its by election
[12:43] Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. Now, remember this will be decided
[12:46] Speaker 2: in a few weeks time. It will then happen a
[12:48] Speaker 2: few weeks after the ABC decided to go and see
[12:51] Speaker 2: that One Nation is already on the ground, not with
[12:55] Speaker 2: a poster, but actually having meetings. They did so in
[12:58] Speaker 2: a pub, which I should say is a non political pub.
[13:01] Speaker 2: They're just willing to have anyone who wants to come
[13:03] Speaker 2: in and have a chat. About three hundred people turned
[13:06] Speaker 2: up for this particular meeting. Remember One Nation is still
[13:10] Speaker 2: trying to pick its candidate, but they had their senator
[13:13] Speaker 2: in Sewan Bell going down and having a chat to
[13:16] Speaker 2: the crowd, which again three hundred people on a week
[13:19] Speaker 2: night in regional New South Wales. That is some energy
[13:24] Speaker 2: that I would doubt the Libs are going to be
[13:26] Speaker 2: able to get anytime soon. They spoke to some of
[13:29] Speaker 2: the people here. Louise Yes had run I think in
[13:32] Speaker 2: twenty ten is an independent but still Parah is it
[13:35] Speaker 2: a critical point. We either keep going the way we
[13:38] Speaker 2: are or we are going to have a change of direction.
[13:42] Speaker 2: That is what is required. Governments of all persuasions haven't
[13:45] Speaker 2: focused on what's important not only for Parah but also
[13:47] Speaker 2: for the country and that has to change.
[13:51] Speaker 1: Chris.
[13:52] Speaker 2: It has certainly got very interesting and I can understand
[13:55] Speaker 2: people's sentiment with the swing to One Nation, just with
[13:58] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party and politics in general. I think people
[14:00] Speaker 2: have had enough, David. I followed Labor all my life.
[14:05] Speaker 2: I'm a workingman, a truck driver and only and they
[14:09] Speaker 2: were the only thing for me. But about fifteen years
[14:11] Speaker 2: ago they started telling people what they needed to do
[14:14] Speaker 2: and not looking after them. Is this scientific Nah? But
[14:19] Speaker 2: is the party that a conversation is happening about here
[14:23] Speaker 2: in the media on the ground starting to do the
[14:26] Speaker 2: work to turn sentiment into polling into votes.
[14:32] Speaker 1: Yes.
[14:34] Speaker 2: The Country Independent otherwise known as of course as the
[14:37] Speaker 2: Tiffany Teel is also on the ground doing the same.
[14:40] Speaker 2: We don't know when there'll be a decision from the
[14:42] Speaker 2: National Party or the Liberal Party whether Labor runs or
[14:46] Speaker 2: whether they put their support on the ballot behind the
[14:50] Speaker 2: Tiffany Teel. We will all wait, watch and see. But again,
[14:54] Speaker 2: to those who inside the Liberal Party think that if
[14:57] Speaker 2: you point at Pauline for long enough then somehow the
[14:59] Speaker 2: support will crumble, pay attention to what has happened since
[15:03] Speaker 2: the last time that you did that. Now I have
[15:07] Speaker 2: sat here and I have spoken uphill and down Dale
[15:10] Speaker 2: that One Nation's success is most likely going to be
[15:13] Speaker 2: phenomenal in the Senate. Yes, in some seats it is
[15:16] Speaker 2: going to be determinant about who ends up being the MP,
[15:20] Speaker 2: and it may well be them replacing a national I've
[15:23] Speaker 2: also talked about a third of Liberal supporters who will
[15:27] Speaker 2: not preference one nation, and I have shown you last
[15:30] Speaker 2: night about in a place like Farah where the preference
[15:34] Speaker 2: discipline is stronger for the Greens to Labor than it
[15:36] Speaker 2: is from the Libs to one nation or one nation
[15:38] Speaker 2: to the Libs. So I'll always tell you what's really
[15:41] Speaker 2: going on, including if they think this means the beginning
[15:45] Speaker 2: of the end of Pauline, whether you like it or not,
[15:47] Speaker 2: disagree or don't. And of course I disagree with the
[15:50] Speaker 2: comments that have been said, no with Snow, but SnO Gray.
[15:53] Speaker 2: They have not been paying attention to what has been
[15:55] Speaker 2: happening for thirty years with Pauline Hansen. But when the
[16:01] Speaker 2: Prime Minister told you this lie a few years ago
[16:04] Speaker 2: to become the prime minister, that everything was going up
[16:07] Speaker 2: and that a labor government will lower the cost of living.
[16:12] Speaker 2: Well last week, while everyone was paying attention, in fact,
[16:14] Speaker 2: on Friday to the rumble inside the Liberal Party about
[16:18] Speaker 2: who would the leader be. There was a little little
[16:20] Speaker 2: tensy tency tency little announcement that came out of the
[16:22] Speaker 2: government that has now been confirmed today. The highest jump
[16:26] Speaker 2: in health insurance premiums in eight years has been approved
[16:31] Speaker 2: by the government that will quote lower the cost of living.
[16:35] Speaker 2: Private health insurance premiums will rise their fastest in almost
[16:39] Speaker 2: a decade after the Abenezer government approved and above inflation
[16:42] Speaker 2: increase that will affect more than fifteen million people from
[16:46] Speaker 2: the start of April. The Health Minister Mark Butler announced
[16:50] Speaker 2: the four point four one percent increase in the average
[16:53] Speaker 2: insurance policy on Tuesday, saying it was reflected in the
[16:56] Speaker 2: rising cost of medical and hospital services, which rose five
[16:59] Speaker 2: percent in the past financial year. Amazingly and unbelievably, Mark
[17:07] Speaker 2: Butler was in front of television cameras today. Apparently there
[17:12] Speaker 2: were reporters who were also there because they brought their
[17:14] Speaker 2: microphones and they put the microphones on the stand. Not
[17:19] Speaker 2: one question about this issue, not one. You know how
[17:29] Speaker 2: you said that you were going to be the party
[17:31] Speaker 2: that would lower the cost of living. Could you please
[17:32] Speaker 2: explain why health insurance premiums are going up at almost
[17:35] Speaker 2: the highest they've ever been in a decade. Oh well,
[17:38] Speaker 2: commitment to the little gold cart.
[17:39] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, whatever.
[17:40] Speaker 2: Anyway, back to the question, you promised lower cost of living,
[17:44] Speaker 2: lowering the cost of living instead, your decision yours has
[17:48] Speaker 2: directly increased it by the highest number in some time.
[17:52] Speaker 2: As for justification in around all of this, Mark Butler,
[17:55] Speaker 2: we will quote him from a statement because nobody bothered
[17:59] Speaker 2: to ask him a question today. This US decision reinforces
[18:05] Speaker 2: the premium increases must be backed by clear evidence and
[18:07] Speaker 2: contribute to system wine improvements, not just insurer balance sheets.
[18:12] Speaker 2: Australians deserve transparency, fair pricing and confidence that their premiums
[18:17] Speaker 2: are directed where they need it most. What to more
[18:20] Speaker 2: freaking TV adds, I expect private health insurers and hospitals
[18:24] Speaker 2: to work hard to bring down costs and to keep
[18:27] Speaker 2: future price rises to a minimum. For her part, Jane
[18:32] Speaker 2: Hume was ripping in today on the behalf of the
[18:34] Speaker 2: New Look opposition.
[18:36] Speaker 12: A four point five percent increase in health insurance premiums
[18:39] Speaker 12: is eye watering, and of course that has a knock
[18:42] Speaker 12: on effect. If people can't afford their private health insurance premiums, well,
[18:46] Speaker 12: they give up private health insurance and that means that
[18:49] Speaker 12: there's more pressure on our public hospital system. We can't
[18:53] Speaker 12: afford to have further pressure on a hospital system that
[18:56] Speaker 12: is already overcrowded.
[18:59] Speaker 2: Now, Catalyst, I understand that private companies need to make profit,
[19:03] Speaker 2: and listed companies particularly need to make a profit so
[19:06] Speaker 2: they can pay dividend to their showholders, who of course
[19:08] Speaker 2: own the company and buy the shares because they expect
[19:11] Speaker 2: a bigger profit than last year. But when Australian citizens
[19:17] Speaker 2: say that the number one issue by a country models
[19:19] Speaker 2: cost of living, and the government decides to put health
[19:22] Speaker 2: insurance premiums up by are almost the highest they have
[19:24] Speaker 2: been in a decade, well we might just have a
[19:27] Speaker 2: look about just how ars of their strides. Some of
[19:30] Speaker 2: these companies are. Medibank half a billion dollars in profit
[19:37] Speaker 2: last financial year, Booper, yes, part of a big international company,
[19:40] Speaker 2: but still six hundred or close to million dollars HCF
[19:46] Speaker 2: for almost two hundred million. This is profit after tax,
[19:48] Speaker 2: apparently in ib one hundred and ninety eight million HbF
[19:52] Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty one million.
[19:55] Speaker 1: Now I get it.
[19:55] Speaker 2: I understand the profit motive. I am not pretending, But
[19:58] Speaker 2: when some of these companies are making a well two
[20:00] Speaker 2: of them half a billion dollars in profit. Could somebody
[20:03] Speaker 2: please yet again to explain to me how we must
[20:05] Speaker 2: pay again? And what is it? The highest in nearly
[20:10] Speaker 2: nine years, highest nearly in a decade. Feeding And just
[20:17] Speaker 2: to continue on the theme here, you are getting a
[20:20] Speaker 2: pay cut under this government. So not only did they
[20:23] Speaker 2: promise that they would make the cost of living lower, well,
[20:27] Speaker 2: your capacity to be able to pay and to keep
[20:29] Speaker 2: up with the ever increasing inflation is starting to go behind,
[20:32] Speaker 2: starting to go backwards. Inflation, of course, is uncomfortably high
[20:38] Speaker 2: at three point eight percent. Remember it has to be
[20:39] Speaker 2: between two and three for interest rates to start going down,
[20:42] Speaker 2: but because it's closer to four that they keep going
[20:44] Speaker 2: up thirteenth time under this government. Is anyone paying attention?
[20:48] Speaker 1: Today?
[20:49] Speaker 2: We learn that wages have risen under a point for
[20:51] Speaker 2: the quarter, but three point four percent over the year.
[20:55] Speaker 2: And when you compare that with inflation, guess what. Inflation
[20:57] Speaker 2: has gone up higher than the overall capacity for you
[21:01] Speaker 2: to pay it. But it's not all workers, you see,
[21:07] Speaker 2: the only people and the reason why the average is
[21:09] Speaker 2: actually as close as three point four percent is because
[21:14] Speaker 2: the workers in the public sector have got a bigger
[21:17] Speaker 2: pay rise than the workers in the private sector. And
[21:21] Speaker 2: God love the public servants of Australia, including the good
[21:23] Speaker 2: ones who watch us and often come up and say,
[21:24] Speaker 2: come on, Mars, why do you always push You get
[21:26] Speaker 2: my point which reinforces my central idea that I've spoken
[21:31] Speaker 2: about about how a labor party builds a majority and
[21:36] Speaker 2: makes it a super majority. The triangle of dependence welfare
[21:42] Speaker 2: never goes down. More people work for the government and
[21:45] Speaker 2: earn more money. Pay rises in working for the government
[21:49] Speaker 2: than working in private sector. And if you're in the
[21:51] Speaker 2: private sector, the biggest the biggest one that you've got
[21:55] Speaker 2: biggest customer, of course, the government. But don't worry Chairman
[22:02] Speaker 2: Jim or Treasurer Jim, or Grim Jim or whatever the
[22:04] Speaker 2: heck we want to call him, the standby treasurer, the
[22:07] Speaker 2: participant but not the active. So the observant or the
[22:10] Speaker 2: participant in the Australian economy says, everything's awesome. What we've
[22:14] Speaker 2: seen in these numbers today is wager's growth, which is
[22:19] Speaker 2: north of three percent.
[22:20] Speaker 1: That's a good, strong and sustainable number.
[22:24] Speaker 2: All right back to isis Bride's part of the conversation
[22:26] Speaker 2: Attorney Burke was having as the minister responsible for all
[22:30] Speaker 2: of this again, when he's not trying to pretend Tony Abott,
[22:33] Speaker 2: John Howard the Liberal Party's fault. He was pressed about
[22:38] Speaker 2: this decision made today, that only this week the decision
[22:43] Speaker 2: has been made for one of the eleven families thirty
[22:48] Speaker 2: four people to remain in the camp for at least
[22:51] Speaker 2: another two years. Here he is waffling on about it.
[22:55] Speaker 3: That order that's been made.
[22:56] Speaker 10: Why was that decision made today?
[23:00] Speaker 2: Was made on Monday?
[23:01] Speaker 8: And so effectively because the clock starts ticking on those
[23:05] Speaker 8: sorts of exclusion orders. The work gets done by the
[23:09] Speaker 8: department in advance, but once reports start to come that
[23:12] Speaker 8: somebody might be moving, that's the time that you initiate
[23:16] Speaker 8: those sorts of orders.
[23:17] Speaker 2: James Patterson is the shadow Defense Minister. Congratulations on the promotion, mate,
[23:21] Speaker 2: helped me out. Surely this order could have been put
[23:23] Speaker 2: in place when they applied for the passport, or the
[23:26] Speaker 2: passport was approved, or the passport was printed, or somebody
[23:30] Speaker 2: got the passport and took it to the refugee camp
[23:33] Speaker 2: that they saw before they left on Monday.
[23:39] Speaker 11: Paul, it's great to be back with you, mate. It's
[23:41] Speaker 11: been too long and what an important issue to discuss,
[23:44] Speaker 11: because once again Tony Burke is misleading the Australian people
[23:47] Speaker 11: on a matter of critical national security and safety. Why
[23:52] Speaker 11: have only one of these temporary exclusion orders been applied
[23:55] Speaker 11: And as you say, why did it take so long
[23:57] Speaker 11: for them to do so. Why is Tony Burke allowing
[24:01] Speaker 11: one of his close personal friends to run a freelance
[24:05] Speaker 11: repatriation operation of members of a listed terrorist organization to
[24:10] Speaker 11: come into our country. Jamal Rufei has been publicly reported
[24:15] Speaker 11: as the person organizing this repatriation. He's also the chair
[24:19] Speaker 11: of the Friends of Tony Burke, who ran a political
[24:22] Speaker 11: campaign at the last election to make sure Tony Burke
[24:24] Speaker 11: was re elected once again with Labour. When it comes
[24:26] Speaker 11: to national security, you just can't trust them. They are
[24:29] Speaker 11: willing to put our country at risk, our safety at
[24:32] Speaker 11: risk for supporting the community.
[24:33] Speaker 2: Now, obviously you're not suggesting it, I'm not either, But
[24:36] Speaker 2: for those that are running off to the principle obviously
[24:39] Speaker 2: at doctor Riffy's worldview here as well stated is that
[24:42] Speaker 2: these people deserve a second chance, particularly the kids. We're
[24:44] Speaker 2: not suggesting he's doing on the work of anyone apart
[24:47] Speaker 2: from again, those people in the community who want that
[24:49] Speaker 2: to be taking place. But secondly, bit here the application
[24:54] Speaker 2: for a passport. The Prime Minister's position seems to be,
[24:57] Speaker 2: and certainly Tony Burke's stated position this evening years. Every
[25:00] Speaker 2: Australian citizen has a right to a passport. Therefore we
[25:02] Speaker 2: can't slow play the ball. Are there any provisions that
[25:06] Speaker 2: the government has to add the very least every time
[25:09] Speaker 2: the application gets to the top of the pile to
[25:11] Speaker 2: put it at the bottom of the pile, or it's
[25:14] Speaker 2: automatic that even in a refugee camp you are processed
[25:18] Speaker 2: the same way as somebody who's trying to renew their
[25:20] Speaker 2: passport to come home from London.
[25:25] Speaker 11: Well, every Australian citizen is entitled to apply for a passport,
[25:28] Speaker 11: but the government has to be satisfied that they are
[25:30] Speaker 11: who they say they are, and when they live in
[25:33] Speaker 11: a war zone controlled by a terrorist organization or a
[25:35] Speaker 11: refugee camp that has no rule of law, it's not
[25:39] Speaker 11: so easy to be able to do that. And it's
[25:41] Speaker 11: also very complicated to provide what is called citizenship by
[25:45] Speaker 11: descent to the sons and daughters of people who are
[25:48] Speaker 11: born overseas. In fact, I get emails all the time,
[25:51] Speaker 11: from Australians who have children overseas to international partners who
[25:55] Speaker 11: say it can take the months, if not years, to
[25:58] Speaker 11: get the documentation required for citizenship by descent and then
[26:01] Speaker 11: ultimately a passport. And yet it seems, in this case,
[26:05] Speaker 11: in a very difficult environment to offerate, where there is
[26:07] Speaker 11: no Australian government presence on the ground, that the Albaneza
[26:10] Speaker 11: government is willing to very quickly facilitate all the necessary
[26:13] Speaker 11: documentation for people to leave those camps and come into Australia.
[26:17] Speaker 11: And frankly, I don't think that's good enough, because, unfortunately,
[26:20] Speaker 11: I think there is very good reason to believe that
[26:22] Speaker 11: members of this cohort do pose a risk to Australia.
[26:26] Speaker 11: These are people who buy and large voluntarily left Australia,
[26:29] Speaker 11: a peaceful, stable, prosperous, liberal democracy to go and join
[26:34] Speaker 11: what they then hoped would be an Islamist caliphate which
[26:38] Speaker 11: viciously persecuted ethnic and religious minorities under their control, including
[26:42] Speaker 11: by using rape, torture and murder. So, frankly, I don't
[26:45] Speaker 11: think there's a people that we want in our country,
[26:47] Speaker 11: and the Albanza government should be doing everything they can
[26:50] Speaker 11: to slow it down and stop it, not encourage it.
[26:52] Speaker 2: The PM has been very clear since the early days
[26:55] Speaker 2: of his government when the first of the cohort under
[26:58] Speaker 2: his watch came back, which was there Australian citizens, we
[27:00] Speaker 2: can't stop it, right essentially. He held that line again
[27:04] Speaker 2: last year. You absolutely tore them apart at Senate estimates
[27:07] Speaker 2: and again I'm still in awe of what you did
[27:09] Speaker 2: about filling in the details, about the difference between the
[27:12] Speaker 2: gray that was being presented and the reality of what
[27:14] Speaker 2: they did. Yet he's decided to sort of go a
[27:17] Speaker 2: different tack this week with the whole as my mum said,
[27:20] Speaker 2: make your bed in line. It's something he said in
[27:22] Speaker 2: two separate interviews, So a message he clearly wanted out there.
[27:25] Speaker 2: But at the very same time, his own minister is
[27:27] Speaker 2: basically singing from the same song sheet that they had previously,
[27:30] Speaker 2: which is we can't do anything about it. Why is
[27:33] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister trying to put a new code of
[27:36] Speaker 2: varnish on the way he makes this decision, Because he's
[27:39] Speaker 2: making exactly the same decision he did the previous two times.
[27:42] Speaker 2: He's just putting different spin on it tonight.
[27:46] Speaker 11: Exactly right, mate, This is all about the optics. This
[27:48] Speaker 11: is all about the rhetoric. It's not about following through
[27:51] Speaker 11: and actually taking tough decisions in the national interest to
[27:54] Speaker 11: protect Australians. What we learn about the previous repatriation effort
[27:58] Speaker 11: of the last cohort that came Australia is that Tony
[28:01] Speaker 11: Burke was secretly meeting with the charity Save the Children,
[28:05] Speaker 11: who was organizing that return to Australia, and he said
[28:08] Speaker 11: in that secret meeting that he was grateful that they
[28:11] Speaker 11: had kept this out of the media. And then during
[28:14] Speaker 11: that meeting he asked the public servants to leave the
[28:16] Speaker 11: room so he could have a private conversation with Save
[28:19] Speaker 11: the Children. Now, we still to this day do not
[28:21] Speaker 11: know what was said in that private meeting, but we
[28:23] Speaker 11: have notes for when the public servant was present, and
[28:26] Speaker 11: it's pretty damn incriminating. It shows that he said that
[28:30] Speaker 11: they would facilitate all the necessary documentation and support on
[28:34] Speaker 11: shore when they arrived back in Australia if the charity
[28:36] Speaker 11: brought these people to our country. So it's very clear
[28:39] Speaker 11: that quietly the Labour Party is giving the green light
[28:42] Speaker 11: to these people returning to our country, in fact encouraging
[28:45] Speaker 11: repatriation of them. Independently by freelance operators rather than doing
[28:50] Speaker 11: everything they can to slow this process down to protect Australians.
[28:53] Speaker 2: It is wild stuff. Again, thank you, senator. Congrats on
[28:55] Speaker 2: the promotion and again good luck with the rebuild. We
[28:57] Speaker 2: will have you on many times between now and we'll
[29:00] Speaker 2: see how it's going in the next little world. Thank
[29:01] Speaker 2: you appreciate it. James Patterson, I think hope of the
[29:03] Speaker 2: cybe when it comes to the LIBS, and he's been there,
[29:05] Speaker 2: regardless of the leader, was with clarity. Tony Burk of
[29:10] Speaker 2: course has questions to answer, but he has no interest
[29:11] Speaker 2: in answering them in any other fashion than the way
[29:14] Speaker 2: he wants to, which is to do it after the
[29:16] Speaker 2: six pm news and the hope that by this time
[29:17] Speaker 2: tomorrow we're all distracted by what about is them? They
[29:22] Speaker 2: came in under Howard, they left under Rabbit Morrison. Also,
[29:25] Speaker 2: let come on, they got the documents? How did the
[29:28] Speaker 2: documents leave Australia. How did the documents not go to
[29:31] Speaker 2: the embassy in say Elebanon? How did they end up
[29:35] Speaker 2: in the camp, Because why would somebody inside the refugee
[29:39] Speaker 2: camp who is not part of the people leaving but
[29:42] Speaker 2: one of the people staying that they saw the documents.
[29:46] Speaker 2: We'll get to all of this and a whole lot
[29:47] Speaker 2: more lots to talk about tonight, No soooks, no left is,
[29:49] Speaker 2: Meghan Kelly coming up, but even more on the isis brides.
[29:53] Speaker 2: We will not lose focus no matter what their spin is.
[29:55] Speaker 2: Thanks for watching us tonight and every night on Sky News.
[30:02] Speaker 2: No looks, no lefties and loss of talk about with
[30:04] Speaker 2: our wonderful friends Scott Young, who of course ran for
[30:07] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in Benlom, but he's so much more
[30:08] Speaker 2: than that. Lot's about finance and there's a bit to
[30:10] Speaker 2: use his big brain on this evening, including of course
[30:13] Speaker 2: from Hope, Fat Choice, Sirs, Happy learning, New Year, Lucy's
[30:17] Speaker 2: letch of course has always kick an ass here or
[30:18] Speaker 2: on the radio. And I'll get to the little arm
[30:21] Speaker 2: wrestle between you and Makee Clinton Mainoe over on TGB
[30:23] Speaker 2: about ice stand.
[30:24] Speaker 5: It was no arm wrestle like we won eye. We
[30:27] Speaker 5: took it hands down.
[30:28] Speaker 1: Bless him, Sorry Clintos. I'll back her every time, every time.
[30:32] Speaker 2: All right, So the isis bright stuff and the central
[30:35] Speaker 2: like if the government's position is every Australian gets a passport,
[30:40] Speaker 2: regardless whether they're good, bad or indifferent and every Australian
[30:43] Speaker 2: has a right to use that passport to re enter
[30:45] Speaker 2: the country. Well then okay, that's their position, that has
[30:48] Speaker 2: been their position for the past couple of years. But
[30:50] Speaker 2: no Albo on Monday was make your bed and lie
[30:53] Speaker 2: on it. Tony Burke is now turning around and saying, well,
[30:56] Speaker 2: this isn't really our problem. It's a problem of John
[30:58] Speaker 2: Howard and Tony Abbott. What do you think in Scott, Well, look.
[31:02] Speaker 13: I think this government Paul has failed the Australian people
[31:05] Speaker 13: when it comes to national security. The ISIS brides that
[31:08] Speaker 13: went to that declared area to support a so called
[31:12] Speaker 13: terrorist organization. I think it's very fair for Australians to
[31:16] Speaker 13: want the assurances, to want the proper checks and balances
[31:19] Speaker 13: before they come back. And I know that you just
[31:21] Speaker 13: had Senator James Patterson on your show just then, and
[31:24] Speaker 13: I want to echo what he said. I think this
[31:26] Speaker 13: government needs to use its temporary exclusion orders to ensure
[31:29] Speaker 13: that proper vetting is done and if anything, if anyone
[31:33] Speaker 13: has done the wrong thing, a case can be built
[31:36] Speaker 13: up so that if they do return, they can be changed.
[31:38] Speaker 2: Just think, Lucy, where all of us feel sorry for
[31:40] Speaker 2: the kids, of course, who had no say. But of
[31:43] Speaker 2: course the kids have now grown up in potentially radicalized environments.
[31:47] Speaker 2: We know that the reporting that has happened about how
[31:52] Speaker 2: wild it is for some of the kids over there
[31:54] Speaker 2: means yes, they now fall into the potential threat category.
[31:57] Speaker 2: And I think Australians believe, regardless of the circumstances, regardless
[32:02] Speaker 2: of the paperwork, if you are in a position to
[32:04] Speaker 2: say no, the government should say no to any potential threat.
[32:10] Speaker 5: We should be in a situation as a nation where,
[32:14] Speaker 5: regardless of your citizenship, if you've made a decision to
[32:17] Speaker 5: go and join a caliphate and to basically align with
[32:21] Speaker 5: the enemy, that we should be able to cease your citizenship,
[32:24] Speaker 5: of which we do already have legislation available in both
[32:28] Speaker 5: thirty sixty and thirty six CE. I know a lot
[32:30] Speaker 5: needs to happen in terms of actual convictions and charges
[32:33] Speaker 5: being made against these individuals before you can get to
[32:36] Speaker 5: that point, But slap each and every one of them
[32:38] Speaker 5: with the temporary exclusion order and mount your case and
[32:41] Speaker 5: throw the book at them. I think the vast proportion
[32:45] Speaker 5: of Australians looking at this feel disgusted by this, particularly
[32:48] Speaker 5: in the wake of the Bondai massacre. But I wrote
[32:51] Speaker 5: a column about it tomorrow in the Daily Telegraph where
[32:53] Speaker 5: I talk about aligning with terrorists. What message does that send,
[32:58] Speaker 5: regardless of if it is their brides or their offspring.
[33:02] Speaker 5: What message does that send to the forty one fallen
[33:05] Speaker 5: soldiers that went to Afghanistan and lost their lives between
[33:09] Speaker 5: two thousand and one and twenty twenty one. What message
[33:13] Speaker 5: does that send to everyone who feels as strongly about
[33:16] Speaker 5: what occurred at the Bondai massacre in December of last year.
[33:20] Speaker 5: We have veterans who have fought for this country, who
[33:24] Speaker 5: will be enlisted to fight and die for this country,
[33:27] Speaker 5: to fight against the enemy. And what are we prioritizing,
[33:31] Speaker 5: demonizing our fallen soldiers, our decorated soldiers, and treating them
[33:36] Speaker 5: like garbage. Sending fifty million dollars to our enemies in
[33:40] Speaker 5: the form of so called foreign aid, which Penny wongs
[33:43] Speaker 5: Off has told me is not going directly to the Taliban,
[33:46] Speaker 5: and then in a situation where we're saying, fine, you
[33:49] Speaker 5: can go and join a caliphate and then we will
[33:51] Speaker 5: welcome you back with open arms. It's disgusting, Paul.
[33:55] Speaker 2: But also what I think a lot of people. What
[33:58] Speaker 2: the people in charge right and those who get the
[33:59] Speaker 2: oportunity to talk to these people. Miss Remember five years
[34:04] Speaker 2: ago when you could be told you are not allowed
[34:08] Speaker 2: to come back into the country because it's a chance
[34:10] Speaker 2: you might be bringing COVID with you. Remember that it
[34:13] Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much it costs for you to stay
[34:15] Speaker 2: on the other side of the world. Bugger, you are
[34:17] Speaker 2: not coming back in oh If you wanted to travel
[34:19] Speaker 2: between one state with bugger all cases and another state
[34:21] Speaker 2: with buggler all cases, you'll have to go into quarantine
[34:24] Speaker 2: for two weeks. They have shown us that when they
[34:27] Speaker 2: want to, they can lock the door and there is
[34:31] Speaker 2: no way in, no way under, no little slip, no
[34:34] Speaker 2: breathing room. Why is that not the case in this scenario,
[34:37] Speaker 2: It seems damn obvious, Scott. Let's talk about the real
[34:40] Speaker 2: wages now. Put simply, it's one thing to look at
[34:43] Speaker 2: numbers on a screen. The other is in reality that
[34:46] Speaker 2: if you are somebody who is working for something other
[34:48] Speaker 2: than the government, you are well and truly below the
[34:51] Speaker 2: inflation number. The only reason the average is up is
[34:54] Speaker 2: because of the above inflation numbers that are happening for
[34:57] Speaker 2: pay rises inside the public service. Reality is that, as
[35:01] Speaker 2: we also learn private health insurance is going to go up.
[35:03] Speaker 2: Every single thing goes up, your capacity to pay it
[35:07] Speaker 2: does not.
[35:09] Speaker 3: Well.
[35:09] Speaker 13: Real rages have gone down for the first time poor
[35:11] Speaker 13: since twenty twenty three by zero point four percent. This
[35:15] Speaker 13: is the highest spending government spending twenty seven zero point
[35:19] Speaker 13: nine percent of GDP for the over the last forty years.
[35:22] Speaker 13: They are spending when it comes to government spending four
[35:25] Speaker 13: times the pace of the economy.
[35:28] Speaker 1: And if we look.
[35:29] Speaker 13: At productivity, and that's a very very important aspect of
[35:32] Speaker 13: jobs growth and wage growth as well. If we look
[35:35] Speaker 13: at the Productivity Commission to the OECD, the evidence is
[35:38] Speaker 13: clear you boost productivity by having more competition, more skills,
[35:43] Speaker 13: and also more private investment. Under this labor government, what
[35:46] Speaker 13: we're seeing is small business has been crushed. And also
[35:49] Speaker 13: in an industrial relation system that's heavily regulated, you don't
[35:54] Speaker 13: grow the economy and you don't grow people's standard of
[35:57] Speaker 13: living by growing camera. You grow people standard life by
[36:00] Speaker 13: empowering people and the private sector.
[36:02] Speaker 2: Bloody Earth, I mean. And also let alone again the
[36:05] Speaker 2: capacity to keep up with basic inflation. What's not included
[36:08] Speaker 2: in inflation the interest rates that of course they have
[36:10] Speaker 2: just gone up again, meaning again that we are right
[36:14] Speaker 2: back where we were sort of towards the start of
[36:16] Speaker 2: last year. The politics may be slightly different in terms
[36:19] Speaker 2: of who's up and who's down in the polls, but
[36:21] Speaker 2: the reality for Australians, Louse, is that they are right
[36:24] Speaker 2: up against it. I don't know why they don't blame
[36:26] Speaker 2: this mob. I don't know why this mob's are able
[36:29] Speaker 2: to get away with what they have. But they're even
[36:33] Speaker 2: talking now about what a super fast rail with ninety
[36:35] Speaker 2: billion dollars between Sydney and Newcastle. Because there's the amount
[36:39] Speaker 2: of money they're piddling against the wall we see, which
[36:41] Speaker 2: is the budget deficits ten more of those, forty more
[36:44] Speaker 2: of those between now and the twenty sixties, the off
[36:46] Speaker 2: budget stuff, which is the money for much of the
[36:49] Speaker 2: renewables and alleged infrastructure like.
[36:52] Speaker 5: Partic setting, the reprioritipe can remember what they.
[36:55] Speaker 2: All about it hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions
[36:57] Speaker 2: of dollars. But again, as Scot lays it out, we
[36:59] Speaker 2: know people are doing it tough. The government says, oh,
[37:02] Speaker 2: we're listening.
[37:03] Speaker 5: Do you know what the biggest sucker punch close? But
[37:08] Speaker 5: do you know what the biggest sucker punch is in
[37:10] Speaker 5: the midst of all of this, in addition to having
[37:12] Speaker 5: to recognize inflation is up, standard of living is down,
[37:16] Speaker 5: energy prices are through the roof. We've turned out back on,
[37:19] Speaker 5: you know, our natural resources. Despite all of what Jim
[37:21] Speaker 5: Charmers will posture and say, the greatest sucker punch is
[37:24] Speaker 5: watching the man who is in charge of our economy
[37:26] Speaker 5: in the form of doctor Spin Jim Charmers stand up
[37:29] Speaker 5: at a press conference and continue to prosecute the same
[37:32] Speaker 5: lies to these people who are feeling it in their
[37:35] Speaker 5: hip pockets. I mean that whole issue of you know, well,
[37:39] Speaker 5: we've secured one hundred and fourteen billion dollars of savings,
[37:42] Speaker 5: which James Patterson, by the way, was excellent incentive estimates
[37:45] Speaker 5: the other day when he totally debunked that with Katie Gallagher,
[37:48] Speaker 5: who was made to look a full I can't wait
[37:51] Speaker 5: to see the head to head between her and Claire Chandel,
[37:53] Speaker 5: who's fantastic by the way, but ultimately now to still
[37:56] Speaker 5: keep running on these lies, to still just keep reading
[37:59] Speaker 5: off as script effectively when everyone knows that they're feeling
[38:03] Speaker 5: it and they know that it's not the truth that
[38:06] Speaker 5: is the greatest insult to all of this. What are
[38:08] Speaker 5: they doing to grow the economy? Paul, Well, we talk
[38:10] Speaker 5: about productivity. What are they doing beyond just bringing in
[38:13] Speaker 5: low skilled migrants that's not helping productivity in this country.
[38:17] Speaker 2: But Scott, I noticed that many of the times people
[38:19] Speaker 2: like a Jim Chalmers turn up, they're talking to either
[38:21] Speaker 2: juny reporters because it's late in the day, or they're
[38:23] Speaker 2: talking to political reporters who aren't that invested in the
[38:27] Speaker 2: decimal points that perhaps more informed, specialized reporters would be.
[38:33] Speaker 2: Because to me, it seems that part of how they
[38:35] Speaker 2: get away with it is that even if they stood
[38:37] Speaker 2: up in front of a collection of bankers, they'd give
[38:39] Speaker 2: a speech, no questions and bugger off. That's why in
[38:42] Speaker 2: parties they never get the pump on them.
[38:45] Speaker 13: Well, I think, Paul, what's very very important to recognize
[38:48] Speaker 13: is that eventually they will be found out. And I
[38:52] Speaker 13: think they've gone.
[38:52] Speaker 5: I think they we've already found them out, though, don't you.
[38:56] Speaker 13: We have And I think you know, figuring it out now,
[38:59] Speaker 13: it's got to go farther than this round. And what
[39:01] Speaker 13: I reckon Lucy and Paul is that the Australian public
[39:04] Speaker 13: is recognizing two things. Number one that their economic STRATEGYM
[39:08] Speaker 13: model does not work. They're not better off at the
[39:10] Speaker 13: end of the day. And second of all, that they
[39:12] Speaker 13: were being seduced at the last federal election and it's
[39:16] Speaker 13: not paid.
[39:16] Speaker 2: Lost's right, well remember it'll be lower under them and
[39:19] Speaker 2: it's gone up up, all right?
[39:21] Speaker 1: How many times can you get the receipts? But spread
[39:23] Speaker 1: the video, spread it wide?
[39:24] Speaker 2: Right before we're done again the back and forth with that,
[39:26] Speaker 2: My mate Clinton manand does drive on radio TGB. He
[39:29] Speaker 2: was sort of, I presume, just saying something a little flippin'
[39:32] Speaker 2: you know, I've been there before. You're timing after the news.
[39:35] Speaker 1: Ice dancing is not a sport.
[39:36] Speaker 2: Good on you for pushing on because again as two
[39:40] Speaker 2: little girls. Of course, my little girls they love synchronized swimming,
[39:43] Speaker 2: which of course is now you know I swim dancing
[39:45] Speaker 2: or whatever it's called, and they love being able to
[39:48] Speaker 2: watch this stuff.
[39:49] Speaker 1: It's a sport.
[39:50] Speaker 5: Of course, it's a sport. And I had the benefit
[39:52] Speaker 5: back in my sports broadcasting days of being able to
[39:55] Speaker 5: put my voice down to a lot of the figure
[39:57] Speaker 5: skating that we had had the rights to it at the
[39:59] Speaker 5: time time at back at SBS when you really watch
[40:03] Speaker 5: this intently and you understand the training that goes into it,
[40:05] Speaker 5: the sacrifice that goes into it, but also the skill
[40:08] Speaker 5: and the level of athleticism the male competitors, in particular
[40:12] Speaker 5: the upper body strength to be able to lift these
[40:15] Speaker 5: women who are life but also so insanely strong. Clinton
[40:19] Speaker 5: knows I just adore him. But on that particular front,
[40:22] Speaker 5: I want it hands down on behalf of little girls
[40:24] Speaker 5: and boys everywhere who just so enthralled by this sport.
[40:29] Speaker 2: I love it.
[40:30] Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. Thank you, guys, I really good
[40:31] Speaker 1: appreciate it.
[40:32] Speaker 2: Thank you. Scott A Lucy, we love you. Read her
[40:34] Speaker 2: tomorrow in the Telegraph. You can always send me an
[40:37] Speaker 2: email Poultsguynews dot com dot a you but stand by, Ah.
[40:40] Speaker 2: There's a lot to get to with Meghan Kelly. We
[40:42] Speaker 2: will do so in a moment here on Sky News.
[40:44] Speaker 2: Thanks for watching this Wednesday night. It's our favorite time
[40:51] Speaker 2: of the week to talk to our favorite person in
[40:52] Speaker 2: the world, the one, the only, the wonderful Meghan Kelly.
[40:54] Speaker 1: How are you rockstar?
[40:56] Speaker 2: So great to be here?
[40:57] Speaker 1: How are you very good?
[40:58] Speaker 2: Now let's get to the share of this Nancy Guthrie case.
[41:01] Speaker 2: He's had to come out in the past couple of
[41:03] Speaker 2: diyes inside nothing to see here in terms of the family.
[41:07] Speaker 2: Now this gives us an opportunity to kind of go there.
[41:10] Speaker 2: Some ages of the Internet and some of the actions
[41:14] Speaker 2: of the police themselves have write some questions in and
[41:16] Speaker 2: around the brother in law. I'd be very clear, I
[41:19] Speaker 2: am not accusing him of anything, nor of course you,
[41:23] Speaker 2: but it is interesting that they've come out and said family,
[41:27] Speaker 2: nothing to see here.
[41:29] Speaker 3: Okay, let me actually read you what the sheriff has said.
[41:34] Speaker 3: On Sunday, he spoke to the Daily Mail and said nobody,
[41:37] Speaker 3: this is a quote quote nobody has been cleared as suspects.
[41:42] Speaker 3: On Monday, he issued a press release saying the family
[41:46] Speaker 3: quote has been cleared as possible suspects. Tuesday, he issued
[41:51] Speaker 3: another press release the Guthrie family has not been identified
[41:56] Speaker 3: as suspects, which is very different from has been cleared. Okay,
[42:02] Speaker 3: I also have not been identified as a suspect, but
[42:07] Speaker 3: I'm in absolutely no legal jeopardy on that case because
[42:10] Speaker 3: I live in Connecticut. That's not the same situation for
[42:14] Speaker 3: those who are actually couple doors down from the mother
[42:17] Speaker 3: or two miles away in the case of the Savannah's
[42:20] Speaker 3: sister and brother in law. And I'm not saying that
[42:22] Speaker 3: those two did anything whatsoever to Nancy Guthrie. But what
[42:25] Speaker 3: I'll tell you is that the sheriff all along has
[42:28] Speaker 3: said no one's been ruled out. No one's been ruled out,
[42:31] Speaker 3: No one's been ruled out. And while he's been saying
[42:33] Speaker 3: that he towed the sister in law's car and impounded
[42:37] Speaker 3: it into evidence, he sent and so did the FBI
[42:40] Speaker 3: law enforcement agents to the sister and the brother in
[42:43] Speaker 3: law's house over and over and over, including in the
[42:46] Speaker 3: middle of the night where they kept the lights out
[42:49] Speaker 3: and took pictures at ten ten thirty am, and then
[42:54] Speaker 3: again they went on another time overnight. Why did they
[42:58] Speaker 3: do all that? They didn't do all that at Nancy
[43:01] Speaker 3: Guthrie's neighbor's home, and where Annie Guthrie and Tomas, her
[43:06] Speaker 3: husband live, is not the crime scene. So why were
[43:09] Speaker 3: they doing all of that investigative work inside of their
[43:13] Speaker 3: home if they are not at least considering one or
[43:17] Speaker 3: both of them as having had something to do with
[43:19] Speaker 3: Nancy's disappearance. All this dovetails with what a reporter here,
[43:24] Speaker 3: twenty year crime reporter, very well respected, Ashley Banfield reported,
[43:28] Speaker 3: which was on day three of the investigation. A senior
[43:33] Speaker 3: law enforcement source who she said she trusts implicitly has
[43:37] Speaker 3: impeccable credentials, told her that Tomas, who is Nancy Guthrie's
[43:42] Speaker 3: son in law or Savannah Guthries's brother in law, may
[43:46] Speaker 3: be the prime suspect. And when she got a storm
[43:50] Speaker 3: raining down on her for reporting that day after day
[43:52] Speaker 3: after day, her source said, you're on the target.
[43:55] Speaker 11: Don't worry.
[43:57] Speaker 1: Now.
[43:58] Speaker 3: I had similar reporting that I offered based on my
[44:01] Speaker 3: own sources, Paul, So I don't think Ashley Banfield is
[44:05] Speaker 3: a nut. That doesn't mean that this guy did it,
[44:07] Speaker 3: and it doesn't mean he's their only possible suspect. But
[44:10] Speaker 3: her person said maybe the prime and mine basically said
[44:16] Speaker 3: feel free to stay on him.
[44:18] Speaker 1: Okay.
[44:19] Speaker 3: So that's where we were coming into this week with
[44:22] Speaker 3: the sheriff having said over and over, no one's cleared,
[44:25] Speaker 3: no one's cleared, no one's cleared, but be nice to
[44:27] Speaker 3: the family, don't be so mean social media.
[44:29] Speaker 2: Some of these people are victims.
[44:30] Speaker 3: Now the sheriff has a couple motivations. Let's say he
[44:34] Speaker 3: actually does think the brother in law is a suspect.
[44:37] Speaker 3: He wants him to continue cooperating with him. He does
[44:40] Speaker 3: not want him to lawyer up. He does not want
[44:42] Speaker 3: to have the man see him as an adversary. That's
[44:46] Speaker 3: all very smart investigative police work. That's not my line
[44:49] Speaker 3: of work. My line of work is to figure out
[44:51] Speaker 3: what's going on and to report it to my audience.
[44:54] Speaker 3: If law enforcement ever contacted me and said, I'm going
[44:57] Speaker 3: to give you a tip, but I need you to
[44:59] Speaker 3: keep thisidential for the integrity of the investigation, I would
[45:02] Speaker 3: honor that. But that's not what this this sheriff is doing.
[45:05] Speaker 3: He's saying, don't be so mean. Okay, sorry, we're the media, sir.
[45:10] Speaker 3: This is a Wendy's sir.
[45:13] Speaker 2: We are mean.
[45:15] Speaker 3: I know whoever told you we weren't mean? Okay, that's
[45:18] Speaker 3: what we get paid to do. We're not in the
[45:20] Speaker 3: I want to be liked business. We're in the I
[45:22] Speaker 3: want to report news business. So I don't know what
[45:26] Speaker 3: the story is with the brother in law or isn't,
[45:28] Speaker 3: but I know this sheriff and a desperate plea to
[45:33] Speaker 3: appease what I think is probably Savannah and her sister
[45:38] Speaker 3: came out on first of all, he screw up on
[45:40] Speaker 3: Sunday he said, no, one's been ruled out, and then
[45:43] Speaker 3: clearly had some pressure from the family and on Monday
[45:45] Speaker 3: said the family's not suspects, they've been ruled out. And
[45:48] Speaker 3: then the federal law enforcement didn't back that up. They
[45:51] Speaker 3: were like, uh, no comment, basically, and he came out
[45:55] Speaker 3: the next day and said, well, they haven't been identified
[46:00] Speaker 3: as suspects, so we don't know what the truth is
[46:03] Speaker 3: at this point. But you don't, as the reporter covering this,
[46:06] Speaker 3: or frankly, as the police rule anybody out until you
[46:11] Speaker 3: see handcuffs on somebody, and even then you might have
[46:14] Speaker 3: a few questions left.
[46:17] Speaker 2: Much of our conversation is also at sky news dot
[46:19] Speaker 2: com dot au quick Break. We'll talk about some Victorian
[46:22] Speaker 2: opinion polls and some funny Donald Trump stuff.
[46:29] Speaker 1: As we know, towards the end of this year there
[46:31] Speaker 1: is going to.
[46:31] Speaker 2: Be the Victorian election. Fingers crossed there is a change.
[46:36] Speaker 2: But the opinion polling is rather concerning because if you
[46:41] Speaker 2: are interested in a change of government, the Libs have
[46:43] Speaker 2: to do better than the current thirty percent that they
[46:45] Speaker 2: have in primary vote. If you put that together with
[46:47] Speaker 2: one nation they're at forty one percent, but we know
[46:50] Speaker 2: not all one nation preferences go to the Libs. If
[46:52] Speaker 2: you put the Greens together with Labor and yeah they
[46:54] Speaker 2: kind of do link up, that's only forty meaning there's
[46:58] Speaker 2: a lot uplift for grat there in Victoria. Have a
[47:01] Speaker 2: look at this which is over time. You can see
[47:03] Speaker 2: that last year thirty eight was as good as they
[47:05] Speaker 2: got a new leader. Well, a bit of recovery for labor,
[47:10] Speaker 2: but there's been that real drop off there for the Libs.
[47:12] Speaker 2: As for the preferred premiers, you can see Wilson thirty
[47:15] Speaker 2: nine well and truly better than j Si to Allen,
[47:17] Speaker 2: but she has a high number, that being Jess Wilson
[47:20] Speaker 2: and the Liberal Party now AI quite a concern, something
[47:24] Speaker 2: that may take many jobs between now when eventually they
[47:29] Speaker 2: take over. But in the meantime occasionally some people are
[47:32] Speaker 2: very clever and they can make some other funny things. Now,
[47:36] Speaker 2: I'm sure there are much more serious points that are
[47:38] Speaker 2: being made in other parts of the Internet and even
[47:40] Speaker 2: by the people who made this post. But imagine if
[47:42] Speaker 2: Donald Trump was a president in lots of other countries.
[48:07] Speaker 1: What about the stash? What about him?
[48:10] Speaker 2: There is as the Gentleman of the Mexican President stars again.
[48:16] Speaker 1: I know there's so much garbage that.
[48:18] Speaker 2: Is on the internet, so much of it that sort
[48:20] Speaker 2: of was all about making Trump the superhero. Okay, yeah,
[48:22] Speaker 2: the Russian but I'll tell you what, I almost want
[48:25] Speaker 2: to post it. Okay, that's odd, but what about Yeah,
[48:29] Speaker 2: look at that Hallo baby, that's fantastic. All right, when
[48:35] Speaker 2: we find that stuff, we'll show it to you on
[48:36] Speaker 2: the Telly. Otherwise, the real stuff that's worth laughing at,
[48:38] Speaker 2: of course, is always with Rhea Panney in the eleven
[48:41] Speaker 2: o'clock hour Melbourne time at Canberra as well. We'll see
[48:45] Speaker 2: you again tomorrow night for a last edition for the week.
[48:47] Speaker 2: Have a wonderful time, get ready for the late debate.

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