# Paul Murray Live | 25 May

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 25 May 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/651f9a6b-b7cb-4ccb-87e8-b45500d67a5e/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Cost-of-living crisis on Labor's watch, the budget is ridiculed on social media. Plus, the ABC chair's swipe at conservatives. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray live. Thank
[0:07] Speaker 1: you Sharry. Hello, mate, come on into the man cave.
[0:09] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson will be here. After that incredible poll showing
[0:14] Speaker 1: the two years out from a federal election, they could
[0:16] Speaker 1: be on their way to almost sixty seats in the Parliament.
[0:19] Speaker 1: Sure it ain't enough to change the government, but it
[0:21] Speaker 1: is well and truly enough to change politics in Australia,
[0:24] Speaker 1: Pauling Hanson in a moment or two's time, as well
[0:27] Speaker 1: as I will continue to pull apart the lies and
[0:30] Speaker 1: the budget bs and I've got plenty to say about Canberra.
[0:33] Speaker 1: But first, a pretty simple question to the Prime Minister,
[0:38] Speaker 1: his ministers and the MPs who think everything they do
[0:41] Speaker 1: is fantastic. Well, the Prime Minister struts around in Parliament
[0:47] Speaker 1: pretending that he did lie in a budget, deliberately trying
[0:51] Speaker 1: to avoid the obvious questions that are coming from an
[0:53] Speaker 1: opposition about the huge tax take that is coming out
[0:57] Speaker 1: of this budget.
[1:00] Speaker 2: Tax tax, tax, tax, tax tax.
[1:04] Speaker 1: We have a prime minister who often says that he
[1:08] Speaker 1: understands struggle Street, that he understands people who have little
[1:13] Speaker 1: or nothing, the vulnerable Australians that supposedly he has some
[1:18] Speaker 1: insight into because of decades ago history off but of
[1:22] Speaker 1: course we know he's lived experience now. Is not that compassionate.
[1:26] Speaker 1: But he tells you that he.
[1:28] Speaker 3: Is Our agenda based upon those fundamental principles of no
[1:33] Speaker 3: one left behind and no one held back, looking out
[1:37] Speaker 3: for the vulnerable as labor governments always well.
[1:41] Speaker 1: Now, no one left behind. Does this mean that every
[1:45] Speaker 1: single person should be automatically handed a million dollars from
[1:48] Speaker 1: the government. No, is the single biggest thing that the
[1:51] Speaker 1: federal government spends its money on, and that being your
[1:55] Speaker 1: money because you pay the taxes welfare and social welfare. Yes.
[1:59] Speaker 1: Do I like that we have a social safety in Australia. Yes,
[2:02] Speaker 1: But what I can't stand is when people are in
[2:05] Speaker 1: a position of power to help those vulnerable people, they
[2:10] Speaker 1: look the other way. They change the subject. They pretend
[2:14] Speaker 1: that the endless evidence of struggle just doesn't matter because
[2:19] Speaker 1: most people will change the channel or not particularly interested.
[2:23] Speaker 1: Now you know, I've had to be in my bonnet
[2:25] Speaker 1: for some time about the number of people in Australia
[2:28] Speaker 1: who run out of food every week. Further confirmed after
[2:33] Speaker 1: I told you the problems in Queensland, the problem in Victoria.
[2:36] Speaker 1: What I want to focus on here where the food
[2:39] Speaker 1: bank organization is hearing from people who previously used to
[2:45] Speaker 1: give them money as donations. They had something and they
[2:48] Speaker 1: gave it to people who had nothing. But now there's
[2:50] Speaker 1: a horrible scenario where the people who used to have
[2:54] Speaker 1: enough to donate to food bank are now in need
[2:58] Speaker 1: of food bank. The Prime Minister, his ministers, the wider media,
[3:03] Speaker 1: the politics in general that is happy for this to
[3:06] Speaker 1: be just the norm, a situation that has only got
[3:11] Speaker 1: worse since interest rates started to rise again. And remember
[3:16] Speaker 1: two of those had nothing to do with what happened
[3:20] Speaker 1: in Iran, and inflation in Australia is still way higher
[3:24] Speaker 1: than it is in other parts of the world. I
[3:27] Speaker 1: find it immoral that organizations who are the ones who
[3:33] Speaker 1: plug the gap, the ones who offer the food, have
[3:37] Speaker 1: to go continuously begging to tell us about their situation
[3:42] Speaker 1: because they rely not on government, but they rely upon
[3:47] Speaker 1: us to be their donors. The food bank boss in
[3:51] Speaker 1: Victoria was on Channel nine talking about the great difficulty
[3:55] Speaker 1: that he is seeing as they are now providing seventy
[3:58] Speaker 1: three thousand and meals seventy three thousand meals to people
[4:05] Speaker 1: who run out of food in the great state of Victoria.
[4:10] Speaker 1: And then when it comes down to a choice of
[4:11] Speaker 1: feeding themselves or feeding their kids, obviously parents choose their kids, I.
[4:18] Speaker 4: Think, decisions that no parents should ever have to make, unfortunately,
[4:22] Speaker 4: and their decisions that they're hiding from their kids, you know,
[4:25] Speaker 4: saying telling their kids that they'll leave dinner later, and
[4:27] Speaker 4: then they just don't driving their kids to school, leaving
[4:31] Speaker 4: the car there, walking home, walking back to school to
[4:33] Speaker 4: pick up the kids, just so they don't realize that,
[4:36] Speaker 4: you know, can't put fuel in the car.
[4:38] Speaker 1: And again the types of people who need this service. Again,
[4:45] Speaker 1: the profile of people who need help from food bank.
[4:48] Speaker 1: And remember the double triple, the number of people who
[4:52] Speaker 1: would absolutely qualify for the service, but just for a
[4:54] Speaker 1: whole bunch of reasons, have not put their hand up yet. Well,
[4:57] Speaker 1: that cue gets longer on the wa watch of a
[5:00] Speaker 1: bloke who claims the purpose and focus of his government
[5:04] Speaker 1: is no one is left behind. Well, this would be
[5:07] Speaker 1: the definition of being left behind if you can't freaking.
[5:11] Speaker 4: Eat after you put yourself in their shoes. Of course,
[5:16] Speaker 4: there is, you know, the anxiety around it, the fear
[5:18] Speaker 4: of where's the next meal? Coming from our phones are
[5:22] Speaker 4: constantly ringing from people who have never needed help before,
[5:25] Speaker 4: and they just don't know where to turn, where to go.
[5:27] Speaker 4: Some people are in tears, you know. Some people have
[5:30] Speaker 4: actually who's to financially support us?
[5:32] Speaker 1: Now?
[5:32] Speaker 4: Asking us I can't do that anymore?
[5:34] Speaker 1: But I need food now. There are many causes, there
[5:38] Speaker 1: are many charities, and there is hundreds of billions of
[5:41] Speaker 1: dollars that the federal government takes in taxation every single year.
[5:47] Speaker 1: How is it that the organizations who are literally giving
[5:52] Speaker 1: people food the ones that have to go begging to government? Now?
[5:56] Speaker 1: Because I like this organization, I support this organization, I
[6:01] Speaker 1: also understand that every time I talk about this organization
[6:04] Speaker 1: it kind of creates a wedge because the Prime Minister thinks, well,
[6:08] Speaker 1: if or Murray's talking about it, then obviously the exact
[6:12] Speaker 1: opposite is where he wants to be. And I start
[6:17] Speaker 1: this program by talking about this, that this is something
[6:22] Speaker 1: that's bigger then the person you can't stand on television
[6:28] Speaker 1: and the Prime Minister who thinks he's above at all.
[6:32] Speaker 1: It's an Australian with access to a microphone hoping to
[6:38] Speaker 1: get the message to someone somewhere in that giant building
[6:43] Speaker 1: in Canberra that there's a problem here, and it's not
[6:48] Speaker 1: a problem that we should only go when it's on
[6:51] Speaker 1: the news and just move on. It's a real problem
[6:55] Speaker 1: where literally parents are making choices where they go without
[6:58] Speaker 1: food because they want to give it to their kids.
[7:02] Speaker 1: And don't start this rubbish that, oh, the government's got
[7:04] Speaker 1: no money and times are tough and therefore we can't
[7:07] Speaker 1: just be handing out an extra one hundred and fifty
[7:09] Speaker 1: million dollars to food bank to make sure that people
[7:12] Speaker 1: who want a meal can get a meal. Well, yeah,
[7:15] Speaker 1: that actually is the case in terms of the money.
[7:18] Speaker 1: You see Chris Bowen as the consolation prize for us
[7:21] Speaker 1: not hosting a global climate change conference is, as you know,
[7:25] Speaker 1: a president of the next global climate change conference, his
[7:29] Speaker 1: role as president is going to cost you and I
[7:33] Speaker 1: up to one hundred and fifty million dollars. Now, if
[7:37] Speaker 1: supposedly the reason why we must have not just a
[7:40] Speaker 1: seat at the table, but to be the leader at
[7:42] Speaker 1: the table is because the existential threat that is climate
[7:45] Speaker 1: change will ultimately mean people go without food because you
[7:51] Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to grow the crops like we have
[7:52] Speaker 1: been able to in the past. Well, what does it
[7:57] Speaker 1: take to move the needle for how the govern government
[8:00] Speaker 1: spends its own money. Here now again we're trying to
[8:04] Speaker 1: work out behind the scenes, what did they ask for
[8:06] Speaker 1: from government? What a government give them over one hundred
[8:10] Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars to pump up the ego of
[8:14] Speaker 1: Chris Bowen as a consolation prize because Turkey beat Australia
[8:20] Speaker 1: as a place to have a global climate change conference.
[8:24] Speaker 1: The only reason we know this number, by the way,
[8:26] Speaker 1: is questioning that took place today in Senate estimates. And
[8:29] Speaker 1: when you hear this, think of the parents going without
[8:34] Speaker 1: food to give to their kid, or the people who
[8:37] Speaker 1: used to donate to food bank, who, as a result
[8:41] Speaker 1: of the decisions of this government letting inflation go as
[8:43] Speaker 1: well as it did, are now in a scenario where
[8:46] Speaker 1: they are asking for help from food bank. Well, the
[8:51] Speaker 1: upper limit for our entire effort in relation to this
[8:53] Speaker 1: is as has.
[8:54] Speaker 5: Been explained in terms of the budget allocations.
[8:57] Speaker 6: And what's that budget application of rent box indicated to you,
[9:02] Speaker 6: it's the one hundred and forty seven point eight million
[9:06] Speaker 6: in the budget, which includes administer funding and departmental fund.
[9:09] Speaker 6: Certainly won't be more than that, Oh, thank you, well,
[9:12] Speaker 6: that is a great relief. So Australians takes payers now
[9:16] Speaker 6: are entire there's not going to be more than one
[9:18] Speaker 6: hundred and forty seven million spent on this compound time.
[9:22] Speaker 1: Now, every dollar of the Australian budget cannot simply go
[9:25] Speaker 1: to this particular problem that I talk about. And yes,
[9:28] Speaker 1: there are again many urgent charities that need help, and
[9:33] Speaker 1: I'm not arguing about choosing one over the other. But
[9:35] Speaker 1: I am saying that when you make a choice, and
[9:38] Speaker 1: they made this choice that one hundred and fifty million
[9:41] Speaker 1: dollars could suddenly be found to plump up the ego
[9:44] Speaker 1: of Chris Bowen, to make him feel like El presidente,
[9:49] Speaker 1: the same people can make the same decision to give
[9:51] Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollars to the charities of Australia,
[9:55] Speaker 1: who are the ones that are actually doing the work
[9:59] Speaker 1: the people, taking care of the people. If you are
[10:04] Speaker 1: a person with any power in Canberra, I am not
[10:08] Speaker 1: above begging you to actually engage with this issue. Please
[10:14] Speaker 1: call the charity sector and ask them what they need,
[10:19] Speaker 1: because the people who need them are desperate. Please help them.
[10:27] Speaker 1: As for the politics which may make people feel more comfortable,
[10:30] Speaker 1: because yeah, there's plenty of hits to be delivered there.
[10:32] Speaker 1: Of course, we still have the nonsense of the Prime
[10:34] Speaker 1: Minister bouncing around in question time pretending, oh, we never
[10:38] Speaker 1: told a lie, never told a lie, we just changed
[10:41] Speaker 1: our position. And of course there's all that fantasy and
[10:44] Speaker 1: garbage about whether you can or can't use the word
[10:47] Speaker 1: lie in Parliament. Now I'm going to show you about
[10:50] Speaker 1: just how much contempt this bloke has for Parliament, for
[10:56] Speaker 1: a nation watching on when it comes to question time,
[11:00] Speaker 1: for all of the media that normally pump his tires
[11:05] Speaker 1: when he gets asked a very direct question. My question
[11:10] Speaker 1: is to the Prime Minister.
[11:12] Speaker 7: Over the past week, I've spoken to hundreds of hard
[11:14] Speaker 7: working Australians across every corner of our country that have
[11:18] Speaker 7: had one question they want to ask of the Prime Minister.
[11:23] Speaker 7: Why did the Albanezi Labor government lie to Australians about
[11:27] Speaker 7: plans to tax them more? Now, think of all of
[11:31] Speaker 7: the potential answers and let's all hold hands, because I'm
[11:35] Speaker 7: going to show you just how little openness this bloke has,
[11:40] Speaker 7: just how much contempt he has for anyone who calls
[11:43] Speaker 7: him out on the lie.
[11:44] Speaker 1: Hey, that was two weeks ago. Look over here, look
[11:47] Speaker 1: over here, WA's along with me as this bloke does
[11:51] Speaker 1: not answer the question at all at all. In fact,
[11:56] Speaker 1: this is what he says the whole way through. Have
[11:58] Speaker 1: a look.
[11:59] Speaker 8: Thanks very much much, bespeakable. I've spoken to a lot
[12:01] Speaker 8: of Australians.
[12:02] Speaker 1: Over the last week as well.
[12:05] Speaker 8: Yes ten days ago the members on my lapt I
[12:09] Speaker 8: spoke with Meka, Matt and their dog Pikelet What here
[12:13] Speaker 8: at Kingston?
[12:15] Speaker 1: What they bought? I caught a home of their own
[12:19] Speaker 1: in Canberra?
[12:21] Speaker 2: Is he just a five percent?
[12:24] Speaker 1: Why did you lie about tax change?
[12:27] Speaker 8: Two hundred and fifty thousand first They are sub of
[12:33] Speaker 8: the two hundred and fifty thousand first home buyers.
[12:36] Speaker 1: The only thing we cut out there, by the way,
[12:37] Speaker 1: was the procedure back and forth about everyone settled down,
[12:40] Speaker 1: calm down, so you haven't.
[12:41] Speaker 8: A few days later, the Housing Australia Future Fun.
[12:46] Speaker 1: I have site why did you lie about the change?
[12:50] Speaker 8: In Rosanna, which I visited last year with the member
[12:53] Speaker 8: for Jagger Jagger When I was in the building site.
[12:55] Speaker 1: I went to a building site and now there's a
[12:57] Speaker 1: place that is in the building site forty five homes,
[12:59] Speaker 1: forty five new homes. Okay, again the qustume is quite
[13:03] Speaker 1: clear right.
[13:04] Speaker 8: Right where the shops are there on relevance, Sir with Premierre.
[13:09] Speaker 1: Okay, now we're off to Hobart. We're going to name
[13:11] Speaker 1: the dogs, every dog in Hobart.
[13:13] Speaker 8: More than one thousand homes that will be built.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Why did you lie about the tax changes of the
[13:20] Speaker 1: Durwin in central Perth? We saw the two.
[13:25] Speaker 8: Hundred and nineteen apartments over twenty nine floors which are
[13:31] Speaker 8: about to be fitted in.
[13:34] Speaker 1: Social and afford anything. Nothing, nothing now Again, it's the
[13:40] Speaker 1: purview of all ministers to stand up and simply change
[13:43] Speaker 1: the subject. Oh but this politician's different, This government's different.
[13:47] Speaker 1: This government's different than every government that's ever happened before,
[13:49] Speaker 1: and all the standards that used to be political death
[13:54] Speaker 1: don't apply to this guy. Again. The whole point of
[14:00] Speaker 1: this was that you went to an election that you
[14:06] Speaker 1: won on a lie that was twenty twenty two, cost
[14:10] Speaker 1: of living will be lower under a labor government, and
[14:12] Speaker 1: then in twenty twenty five they rehired you for the
[14:14] Speaker 1: job in part because people who voted for you believed
[14:19] Speaker 1: you when you said you weren't going to change capital
[14:22] Speaker 1: gains tax or the negative gearing system. Now again, the
[14:27] Speaker 1: changes that are frustrated people may not be to do
[14:30] Speaker 1: with negative gearing, but certainly have something to do with
[14:32] Speaker 1: the idea that when you sell your business the government
[14:35] Speaker 1: is going to take a massive chunk of it. But
[14:39] Speaker 1: what about this for some balls on the Prime Minister
[14:42] Speaker 1: about how he is justifying eventually this question of tax.
[14:47] Speaker 1: Why did you lie and changed the tax system when
[14:52] Speaker 1: you promised not to do so.
[14:55] Speaker 8: That's why we're reforming negative geary a capital gains aspiration
[15:01] Speaker 8: to a generation who are being locked out. Our changes
[15:06] Speaker 8: are pro aspiration and they.
[15:09] Speaker 5: Are pro supply.
[15:13] Speaker 1: He tried to pretend that the tax changes were all
[15:15] Speaker 1: because of the housing industry. Well, then could somebody please
[15:18] Speaker 1: explain that to the small businesses. The small businesses who,
[15:23] Speaker 1: of course are in a scenario now where if you
[15:27] Speaker 1: start a business from little things, big things grow and
[15:29] Speaker 1: if it becomes a middle thing or a big enough
[15:31] Speaker 1: thing and you decide to sell, the government is going
[15:34] Speaker 1: to increase the amount of tax that they will take
[15:36] Speaker 1: when you sell that business. Oh but it's just tech bros.
[15:41] Speaker 1: It's just the far right wing who care about this. Sorry.
[15:45] Speaker 1: The Australian Financial Review and an opinion piece from a
[15:51] Speaker 1: female business leader, suggesting that it hits female founders the hardest.
[15:57] Speaker 1: They were confronted with billboards taken out by a businessman
[16:03] Speaker 1: when they arrived in Camber. But of course the Primeister
[16:05] Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen that because he doesn't use the public airport.
[16:11] Speaker 1: Now on Thursdays when this thing is going to go
[16:13] Speaker 1: through the Parliament, So there is some window between now
[16:15] Speaker 1: and Thursday for potentially the government, if it is going
[16:19] Speaker 1: to break anything back, to rake it back and to
[16:22] Speaker 1: make some changes here. And if they want to make
[16:24] Speaker 1: it about property, make it about property. But this isn't
[16:27] Speaker 1: just about property. Remember all those businesses, all of that inheritance,
[16:33] Speaker 1: all of those trusts, people who make choices and plan
[16:38] Speaker 1: those choices. So is that going to be changing anytime soon?
[16:43] Speaker 1: And just the final bit of gas lighting from this bloke.
[16:46] Speaker 1: Despite the fact that he lied, he's pretending that he
[16:49] Speaker 1: put two years of work into breaking the lie.
[16:54] Speaker 8: On Budget night, we very specifically said that we'd go
[16:57] Speaker 8: out there and consult on the detail, including the interaction
[17:06] Speaker 8: with the rather complex tax system across the board.
[17:12] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the consultation, the mass consultation that resulted in
[17:17] Speaker 1: Dave Hughes, the comedian a man by his own admission,
[17:21] Speaker 1: and voted for the government, coming out and saying, hang,
[17:23] Speaker 1: I wouldn't have voted for you for anyew you were
[17:24] Speaker 1: going to do this or the small business people, Oh
[17:29] Speaker 1: it's just the tech bros. Please. And by the way,
[17:32] Speaker 1: there was a lawyer in the press today that were saying,
[17:34] Speaker 1: you know all those AI memes were the small business people. Well,
[17:37] Speaker 1: potentially there could be a legal issue involved with this,
[17:39] Speaker 1: because you might well end up be any fooling people
[17:41] Speaker 1: that somehow the Prime Minister endorses your business. Yeah, bring
[17:44] Speaker 1: that one on. Bring that one on now before I
[17:51] Speaker 1: get to Pauline Hanson. And there's a lot to talk
[17:52] Speaker 1: about with the leader of One Nation in a moment
[17:55] Speaker 1: or two time. A couple of things here, including of
[17:57] Speaker 1: course their brand new mega opinion poll, incredibly detailed poll
[18:01] Speaker 1: that basically shows that the One Nation Party may will
[18:05] Speaker 1: be on its way to completely replacing the National Party,
[18:07] Speaker 1: virtually replacing the Liberal Party, and on its way to
[18:10] Speaker 1: potentially sixty seats if there was a federal election today.
[18:13] Speaker 1: Of course there isn't one. We'll see that in a
[18:14] Speaker 1: couple of years time. The man who did the poll
[18:16] Speaker 1: had a long chat about this last night, get in
[18:18] Speaker 1: the podcast was CAUs Samaras.
[18:21] Speaker 9: Brayans have voted for one nation in the Pharaoh Electro
[18:25] Speaker 9: did so because they have been abandoned economically. There are
[18:28] Speaker 9: many seats like Pharah that will fall easily. In fact,
[18:32] Speaker 9: one nation's primer will be much higher, including Angus Taylor's seat.
[18:37] Speaker 9: So there's no different to Phara in terms of demography,
[18:40] Speaker 9: in terms of the history of those regional towns and
[18:44] Speaker 9: what they've been experiencing for twenty plus years.
[18:47] Speaker 1: But again, just before I get to Pauline, who's standing
[18:49] Speaker 1: by to talk to us in a moment, I wanted
[18:51] Speaker 1: to show you an example of how the ABC works,
[18:54] Speaker 1: where of course if you ask the ABC right down
[18:56] Speaker 1: the line, if you ask the ABC to order the
[18:59] Speaker 1: ABC right down on the line, the reality might be
[19:01] Speaker 1: slightly different. There is a podcast called pole Position. It's
[19:06] Speaker 1: done by a political expert and a form a reporter
[19:12] Speaker 1: in Tasmania. I really like this podcast. They're very granular
[19:16] Speaker 1: and I really like listening to it. Right well, Kim Williams,
[19:20] Speaker 1: the chair of the ABC, went on and the blog
[19:23] Speaker 1: on the left of your screen who had Liberal party connections, Well,
[19:25] Speaker 1: he kind of asked the obvious here about bias. Watch
[19:28] Speaker 1: the chairman of the ABC back that away, because how
[19:32] Speaker 1: dare you could say that be the case?
[19:35] Speaker 10: No secret, ABC is viewed by many on the right
[19:39] Speaker 10: of politics as being hostile to the conservative side of politics.
[19:44] Speaker 10: I think if you say something often enough and you
[19:48] Speaker 10: repeat it over and over again you believe it, it
[19:51] Speaker 10: doesn't make it so. Simply because you say something does
[19:55] Speaker 10: not make it so. The ABC is not an especially
[19:59] Speaker 10: left wind or right wing organization, and in fact, the
[20:02] Speaker 10: majority of ABC journalists I would defy anyone to know
[20:06] Speaker 10: how they vote.
[20:09] Speaker 1: I'm with Brad the co host, going really But then
[20:14] Speaker 1: we got to this bit. As you know, there has
[20:16] Speaker 1: been a dispute between One Nation and the ABC because
[20:20] Speaker 1: of the ABC's decision to name a One Nation staffer
[20:27] Speaker 1: in the lead up to the South Australian election, something
[20:29] Speaker 1: they would not do for any other political party, but
[20:31] Speaker 1: they decided to do so for One Nation and until
[20:34] Speaker 1: they apologize, One Nation is saying to the ABC, you're
[20:38] Speaker 1: not welcome at the events because our staff have to
[20:41] Speaker 1: be just as safe as the staff of the Greens,
[20:44] Speaker 1: the Teels, Liberal or Labor. But have a listen to
[20:49] Speaker 1: how Kim Williams displays a complete lack of bias from
[20:54] Speaker 1: the very head of the ABC about One Nation and
[20:57] Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen.
[20:59] Speaker 10: I think if you're going to choose who you talk
[21:02] Speaker 10: to and who you don't talk to, you're in a
[21:05] Speaker 10: dark and dangerous place in democracy. And I think politicians
[21:10] Speaker 10: are accountable to the people and they don't get to
[21:13] Speaker 10: pick who's going to question them. Clearly, One Nation has
[21:17] Speaker 10: a different view. They think that they anoint who will
[21:20] Speaker 10: question them. Perhaps their concern is because they are such
[21:26] Speaker 10: a policy free zone. But I say that objectively, not
[21:31] Speaker 10: in any spirit of partisanship. One Nation has statements, it
[21:38] Speaker 10: doesn't have policies.
[21:40] Speaker 1: Well In Hanson potentially the next opposition leader of the country,
[21:43] Speaker 1: but definitely the leader of One Nation. She joins us now,
[21:46] Speaker 1: So paul on the ABC absolutely straight down the middle.
[21:48] Speaker 1: We are not biased at all. But when it comes
[21:50] Speaker 1: to One Nation, well, let me offer my opinion about
[21:53] Speaker 1: their policy free zone.
[21:57] Speaker 11: Paul, I've been very biased towards me for many is.
[22:00] Speaker 11: Even back in nineteen ninety six when I was first selected,
[22:03] Speaker 11: I banned them for eight months from coming to my meetings.
[22:06] Speaker 11: Their reporting is very biased. Every time I've been on
[22:09] Speaker 11: Q and A with them. They set it up with
[22:12] Speaker 11: negative questions against me and I had it out with
[22:15] Speaker 11: Tony Jones that produced the last time I was on
[22:18] Speaker 11: that program. And it's constantly going on, and you're right
[22:21] Speaker 11: with what they did with the staffer. It was off
[22:23] Speaker 11: the record, but they printed that. They've been asked to
[22:25] Speaker 11: retract it, they wouldn't. They left it up there. So
[22:28] Speaker 11: the most biased organization and the last sitting of Parliament,
[22:31] Speaker 11: I stated that as far as I'm concerned, I would
[22:34] Speaker 11: pull their funding. The one point three billion dollars they
[22:38] Speaker 11: can go to subscriptions and its self their property around
[22:42] Speaker 11: the whole country. But I had only found the ABC
[22:45] Speaker 11: radio in rural and regional areas. But I think they
[22:47] Speaker 11: do their job. But these other wankers out there, as
[22:50] Speaker 11: far as I'm concerned, they're not worth the money they're
[22:53] Speaker 11: getting paid. And it is all biased.
[22:57] Speaker 1: It definitely is.
[22:58] Speaker 11: So they can go as far as some concerns straight
[23:00] Speaker 11: and I'll not waste my time with you. You've kicked me
[23:03] Speaker 11: in the guts enough and I don't go back to
[23:05] Speaker 11: get checked in the guts again. When you want to
[23:08] Speaker 11: report the truth without you know, having to go at
[23:11] Speaker 11: me all the time trying to pull me down. Then
[23:13] Speaker 11: I'll answer your questions.
[23:15] Speaker 1: Well and again you know this again that we won't
[23:19] Speaker 1: relitigate it. But the staff and the naming. They wouldn't
[23:21] Speaker 1: name somebody in the Prime Minister's officers and somebody who
[23:24] Speaker 1: was as low level in the operation as the one
[23:26] Speaker 1: that they decided to name. It is outrageous. But again
[23:29] Speaker 1: to this idea, oh policy freezer. Now, I don't know
[23:31] Speaker 1: exactly what day that was recorded. I'm thinking it might
[23:34] Speaker 1: have been Thursday, but I remember on Thursday was the
[23:37] Speaker 1: very day you were making an announcement about gas policy.
[23:40] Speaker 1: We know your migration policy, we know your taxation policy,
[23:44] Speaker 1: about these things. But again it is an attack that
[23:48] Speaker 1: has always leveled upon you, which is, oh, look, lots
[23:50] Speaker 1: you know, lots of bark, but there's no ideas there.
[23:53] Speaker 1: Have they not heard of your website to go and
[23:55] Speaker 1: read any of these things, true, Paul, We've.
[23:59] Speaker 11: Got about twenty nine policies up there, and if you
[24:01] Speaker 11: went to look at the liberal or the Labor partist policies,
[24:04] Speaker 11: there are none.
[24:05] Speaker 5: So I'm open honest with the people. My policies are
[24:07] Speaker 5: out there.
[24:08] Speaker 11: I won't leave it till last minute when it comes
[24:10] Speaker 11: to campaign time for people to have a look of
[24:13] Speaker 11: them and I think it's very important that to bring
[24:16] Speaker 11: people along this journey with you, and during the spirit
[24:18] Speaker 11: of time, we're still having consultation with the people to
[24:21] Speaker 11: make sure we get it right.
[24:23] Speaker 1: Now. Obviously you saw that a pinion poll, no doubt,
[24:26] Speaker 1: and you would have punched the air right. I saw you,
[24:29] Speaker 1: of course on the night of Pharah. I saw you
[24:30] Speaker 1: in South Australia. But to start to see the same
[24:33] Speaker 1: type of polling and the methodology of it that was
[24:35] Speaker 1: pretty accurate at the last federal election starting to paint
[24:39] Speaker 1: towards sixty seats. Now, obviously there's a lot that has
[24:44] Speaker 1: to happen between now and potentially that becoming a reality.
[24:47] Speaker 1: But give me an idea, how do you staff that up?
[24:51] Speaker 1: How do you make sure that you've got sixty David
[24:54] Speaker 1: Farley's that you've got sixty Barnaby Joyce's how do you
[24:57] Speaker 1: make sure that the one hundred and fifty people that
[24:59] Speaker 1: you are going to serve up all the way around
[25:00] Speaker 1: the country are people that you would be willing to
[25:03] Speaker 1: get in the foxhole with for the three years post
[25:05] Speaker 1: the next election.
[25:08] Speaker 11: You're right, Paul It's a very good question. People want
[25:10] Speaker 11: to know that. Do you know that We've had expressions
[25:12] Speaker 11: of interest for just Victoria Loan eleven hundred so far,
[25:16] Speaker 11: so we're actually vetting them now and going through it,
[25:19] Speaker 11: and we'll go through that. Nationally already, we've had fifteen
[25:23] Speaker 11: hundred expressions of interest for people want to stand for
[25:26] Speaker 11: us in the federal next federal election. We've got people
[25:29] Speaker 11: from barrisses, doctors, surgeons, different ones from just the average
[25:35] Speaker 11: trading out there, from all different cultural backgrounds, you know,
[25:40] Speaker 11: business acumen that want to stand for one nation. I
[25:43] Speaker 11: was talking to professor at the airport in Sydney just
[25:46] Speaker 11: on Saturday when I was flying back and he was talking.
[25:49] Speaker 11: He said, you keep going and I said the problems
[25:51] Speaker 11: in the university. Said, you're right, it is. He said
[25:53] Speaker 11: what they teach and he said, if I wasn't doing
[25:56] Speaker 11: my job, he said, he said, I'm agreeing with you.
[25:58] Speaker 11: He said, I'm a professor. He said, I'd be standing
[26:02] Speaker 11: with you as well. So that's what I'm saying is
[26:05] Speaker 11: people know there are real issues and problems out there.
[26:07] Speaker 11: They want change. They're screaming that for change. They want
[26:10] Speaker 11: to be part of this. These people have been stifled,
[26:13] Speaker 11: they've been suppressed, they've been put down, They had no
[26:17] Speaker 11: one to follow, no one speaking their language. Now they
[26:20] Speaker 11: see one nation is and we're pushing forward with this.
[26:23] Speaker 11: I believe that we can make a change and we
[26:25] Speaker 11: can make a difference in this country.
[26:27] Speaker 5: But I can't do it by myself.
[26:29] Speaker 11: I don't know everything, but I will have the good
[26:31] Speaker 11: people around me, the right people there that just grasp
[26:35] Speaker 11: roots Australians that will make a change and a difference
[26:39] Speaker 11: to this country.
[26:40] Speaker 1: So obviously before federal election Victoria in November, New South
[26:44] Speaker 1: Wales March next year, and then we see what happens
[26:46] Speaker 1: when it comes to federal election. How far off are
[26:49] Speaker 1: you from naming the person who will be the Victorian leader,
[26:53] Speaker 1: Because obviously that's a big announcement, but also there's a
[26:58] Speaker 1: lot of support for one nation that we know now.
[27:00] Speaker 1: The empty chair is doing really well, but you've got
[27:02] Speaker 1: to put somebody in it. Do you have somebody in mind?
[27:07] Speaker 11: I have someone in mind at the moment, Paul, but
[27:11] Speaker 11: I'm not ready to announce them as yet. There's still
[27:14] Speaker 11: a lot happening in Victoria. So anyway, a lot's going
[27:19] Speaker 11: to happen next in the next few weeks in Victoria.
[27:22] Speaker 11: So anyway, I'll just keep my powder dry, all.
[27:25] Speaker 1: Right, the same I would imagine being for New South Wales.
[27:28] Speaker 1: Last question here, because again I'd love to get you
[27:30] Speaker 1: on for and ask me anything. We'll do an hour
[27:31] Speaker 1: and get into all the details, will work out all
[27:34] Speaker 1: of that. I'm sure you'd be up for that. But
[27:37] Speaker 1: obviously the closer we get to an election, the scrutiny changes.
[27:40] Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about the media just constantly writing
[27:43] Speaker 1: the obvious negative stories, right, But when eventually you would
[27:47] Speaker 1: get to a position of the assumed opposition, it's daily coverage, right,
[27:52] Speaker 1: daily coverage of speeches, daily press conferences, all the rest
[27:55] Speaker 1: of it. How do you make sure that you're going
[27:59] Speaker 1: to get match fe Barnaby's going to get match fit
[28:02] Speaker 1: for that level of interaction because I know you can
[28:05] Speaker 1: campaign anywhere in the country and you've got the energizer
[28:08] Speaker 1: bunny energy and have for a long time now. But
[28:13] Speaker 1: the political operation again about potentially being an opposition, that's
[28:16] Speaker 1: when you've got all the media in the bus and
[28:18] Speaker 1: following around for weeks and weeks. How do you get
[28:21] Speaker 1: fit for that?
[28:24] Speaker 11: I have done it beforehand, don't underestimate my energy levels
[28:29] Speaker 11: and what's driving me. Paul For thirty years, I've been
[28:33] Speaker 11: driving this. I've never backed away from my morals and
[28:37] Speaker 11: my principles. I've been consistent with everything. When you come
[28:40] Speaker 11: this close to the line, you're not going to just
[28:42] Speaker 11: fold and walk away from it. This is very important
[28:44] Speaker 11: to me. It's not about Pauline Hanson. It's about making
[28:47] Speaker 11: a difference in this country to get people elected. And
[28:50] Speaker 11: if we don't put our best foot forward and the
[28:54] Speaker 11: best st effort we can put into this next election,
[28:56] Speaker 11: and if Labor gets re elected again with majority government,
[29:02] Speaker 11: we're in one hell of a ride because I don't
[29:03] Speaker 11: believe we'll ever be able to turn it around. That
[29:06] Speaker 11: there's been that much damage that's been done to this country.
[29:09] Speaker 11: So that's why it's very important to me to make
[29:13] Speaker 11: sure that we do get out there, talk to people,
[29:16] Speaker 11: you know, gain their confidence to give us a go.
[29:19] Speaker 11: And that's what it's all about, you know, it's about
[29:22] Speaker 11: wanting change for this country and I can assure people
[29:25] Speaker 11: it will be changed that you can trust.
[29:28] Speaker 1: Well, this is it, Pauline. You know that I have
[29:29] Speaker 1: never underestimated you, But to anyone who currently is you're
[29:32] Speaker 1: betting on the wrong horse, all right, said it lovely
[29:35] Speaker 1: to talk to you. I look for to meeting up soon.
[29:37] Speaker 1: But again, thank you so much for your time.
[29:38] Speaker 11: Tonight, Melissia, Thank you very much, Paul, this.
[29:41] Speaker 1: Is the best and she Paul and Hanson there of
[29:43] Speaker 1: course joining us from Queensland quick break back with more
[29:45] Speaker 1: lots to get into here on Paul Murray Live, including
[29:48] Speaker 1: the tricks that the government's going to use to force
[29:51] Speaker 1: the opposition into backing the BS in the budget. Want
[29:55] Speaker 1: to see. And also I'm very aware that this has
[30:03] Speaker 1: been a very sad day for many fans of AFL,
[30:07] Speaker 1: but fans of the great hero that is now dannaher
[30:09] Speaker 1: who passed away today with mating new own disease. So
[30:12] Speaker 1: I told you last week fight MND the Beast does
[30:16] Speaker 1: he called it. He is an organization that you can
[30:19] Speaker 1: give money at any time, certainly beanies, digital beanies, all
[30:22] Speaker 1: the rest of it to continue the work that there
[30:26] Speaker 1: was so desperately connected to. Again the big freeze happening
[30:30] Speaker 1: on the June Long weekend. But again strength and love
[30:33] Speaker 1: to his family, the wider football family and anyone who
[30:36] Speaker 1: has been touched by made of your own disease. Including
[30:39] Speaker 1: one of my beautiful besties, Katrina, who of course lost
[30:41] Speaker 1: her mum to it a couple of years ago. Strength
[30:43] Speaker 1: and love, my dear. All right, let's get into the
[30:46] Speaker 1: conversation right now. Senator Susan McDonald is the Shadow Resources Minister.
[30:50] Speaker 1: She joins us now in Canberra. Nicholas Reese is the
[30:53] Speaker 1: mayor of Melbourne. I'm sure you would both agree with
[30:55] Speaker 1: what I just had to say when it comes to
[30:57] Speaker 1: Neil dana Her. But let's get to the mechanics of
[31:00] Speaker 1: the next couple of days, and that is the budget
[31:03] Speaker 1: becoming a reality. For that to be the case, it
[31:05] Speaker 1: has to go through the Parliament on Thursday is when
[31:08] Speaker 1: it goes through. Now, apparently the way it is going
[31:11] Speaker 1: to be done is that it won't be done in
[31:13] Speaker 1: chunks in bits. Essentially one thing and the potential tax
[31:18] Speaker 1: cuts in twelve months time, or the two hundred and
[31:20] Speaker 1: fifty dollars sixty eight cents a day stuff, all of
[31:22] Speaker 1: that gets lumped in. So if you vote against the
[31:25] Speaker 1: negative gearing and CGT changes, then they're voting against tax
[31:29] Speaker 1: cuts again, Senator McDonald, how do you think the team
[31:33] Speaker 1: is going to play this over the next few days?
[31:37] Speaker 12: Well, we know that the Prime Minister came up for
[31:39] Speaker 12: a name for this, it's called legislation, and he is
[31:43] Speaker 12: the master of trying to trick these binary conversations. And
[31:48] Speaker 12: of course we're all in favor of working Australian's tax
[31:52] Speaker 12: off set's. In fact, Angus Taylor has proposed a more
[31:56] Speaker 12: baked in of setting for tax increases for for bracket creep,
[32:02] Speaker 12: which would see Australians receive that kind of benefit every year,
[32:06] Speaker 12: not just these one officer of the Prime Minister's proposing,
[32:09] Speaker 12: but we will fight like hell to block the toxic
[32:14] Speaker 12: taxes that Labour's proposing that will absolutely kill investment into
[32:18] Speaker 12: small small businesses, to big businesses, for working tradees, for
[32:24] Speaker 12: every sort of business you can imagine, as well as
[32:27] Speaker 12: young Australians who've been investing in shares and other things
[32:30] Speaker 12: because they haven't been able to get into the housing market.
[32:33] Speaker 12: So you know, I think the Prime Minister is becoming
[32:36] Speaker 12: the master of the political switch and bait. But Australians
[32:41] Speaker 12: are not falling for at this time. Australians are angry
[32:44] Speaker 12: rightly so, and the Coalition will fight like hell to
[32:48] Speaker 12: get rid of Labour's toxic taxes.
[32:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicholas. We've spoken before about the property market. We've
[32:53] Speaker 1: spoken before about the excesses in and around negative gearing,
[32:57] Speaker 1: so let's not go there again. But as the mayor
[32:59] Speaker 1: of Melbourne, as a person who wants to support small business,
[33:02] Speaker 1: does support small business, have you had much feedback at
[33:06] Speaker 1: your level to say, hey, there's some stuff in this
[33:09] Speaker 1: budget that I wouldn't have voted for that, there's stuff
[33:12] Speaker 1: that is the too far in all of this.
[33:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, it look that's a really good question.
[33:19] Speaker 13: Just before we turn to that, I do think it's
[33:20] Speaker 13: worth while addressing one of the points that Susan made.
[33:24] Speaker 2: She's been around long.
[33:26] Speaker 13: Enough to know that it's a time honored strategy for
[33:28] Speaker 13: governments to package all the measures up in a single
[33:32] Speaker 13: bill as a way of putting pressure on parliamentarians to
[33:37] Speaker 13: vote for it.
[33:38] Speaker 2: And yes, the risk is.
[33:40] Speaker 13: There for the coalition, well, both sides of politics have used.
[33:45] Speaker 2: This time on its strategy perform.
[33:46] Speaker 13: Of course, what it means is if the Coalition votes
[33:48] Speaker 13: again it, they'll be once again voting again. I ask
[33:53] Speaker 13: relief for people which didn't play out so well for
[33:56] Speaker 13: them last time in terms of the CGT changes, which
[34:01] Speaker 13: I think is where the real debate is now at Yes,
[34:05] Speaker 13: I have heard concerns out there about the impact on
[34:09] Speaker 13: startup businesses, not just tech businesses, but all startup businesses,
[34:14] Speaker 13: and so this is going to be fascinating to see
[34:16] Speaker 13: where this ends up. I suspect there will be a
[34:20] Speaker 13: Senate inquiry and so this will drag on for a
[34:24] Speaker 13: little bit, and I think there will be a lot
[34:28] Speaker 13: of pressure on the government to look at making some
[34:31] Speaker 13: reforms to their package, whether that's just around tech businesses
[34:36] Speaker 13: or more broadly to small businesses. But yeah, we want
[34:39] Speaker 13: to be a country where we give new businesses the
[34:43] Speaker 13: best shot possible of growing into being bigger businesses.
[34:48] Speaker 1: Now, Senator obviously there is no silverabullet here about how
[34:52] Speaker 1: to change the fortunes of the coalition. But you saw
[34:55] Speaker 1: that opinion poll. You heard what Senator Hanson just had
[34:58] Speaker 1: to say about just how bigger task is in front
[35:01] Speaker 1: the idea that, according to that poll, the National Party
[35:04] Speaker 1: wouldn't exist, it would continue due to the half Senate election.
[35:09] Speaker 1: Why do you think that changes between now and the
[35:12] Speaker 1: next election, and it doesn't just harden that. Whatever the
[35:15] Speaker 1: reason is, people are backing in one nation, they continue
[35:18] Speaker 1: to back one nation.
[35:20] Speaker 12: Well, you know, as well as anybody that there is
[35:23] Speaker 12: only one poll that counts poll and we will be
[35:26] Speaker 12: making sure that Australians know that we are, as I
[35:30] Speaker 12: said before, fighting like hell for them. I mean regional Australians,
[35:33] Speaker 12: working Australians, mining, investment, all of these things are under
[35:38] Speaker 12: direct attack from this government. We have only one purpose
[35:41] Speaker 12: and that is to get rid of this labor government.
[35:45] Speaker 5: Regardless of what Nick says.
[35:46] Speaker 12: The Prime Minister has lied over and over and over
[35:49] Speaker 12: since the last election when he promised that he would
[35:53] Speaker 12: not make these changes.
[35:54] Speaker 5: But he has the idea that he is.
[35:56] Speaker 12: Going to try and wedge the Coalition into voting one
[36:00] Speaker 12: way or the other on these changes. Is absolutely ludicrous,
[36:04] Speaker 12: given that Australians are desperate for these taxes to be repealed,
[36:09] Speaker 12: and not just around tech companies but right across the board.
[36:13] Speaker 12: So you know that is what we're committed to. We're
[36:16] Speaker 12: committed to getting rid of this bad, lying labor government
[36:20] Speaker 12: and we're going to make sure that we restore Australian's
[36:23] Speaker 12: standard of living and protect our way of life. It's
[36:26] Speaker 12: incredibly important and I know that none of my colleagues
[36:30] Speaker 12: and I certainly won't rest until we achieve that.
[36:33] Speaker 1: I like the answer. Keep the focus on the political enemy,
[36:36] Speaker 1: that is the Labor Party. I do think that's the
[36:38] Speaker 1: best way to answer that question. Nicholas equally uncomfortable in
[36:41] Speaker 1: terms of the question. Right, But let's deal with some
[36:45] Speaker 1: of this stuff where people seem to be quite critical
[36:47] Speaker 1: about the amount of overseas travel. I think they're all.
[36:50] Speaker 1: Some did a little thing where they worked out how
[36:51] Speaker 1: many former mayors had traveled seemingly as much as you
[36:56] Speaker 1: have of recent times. The suggestion is that you're busier
[36:59] Speaker 1: than you all the other mayors combined. What's your response,
[37:03] Speaker 1: and especially to anyone in Melbourne going okay, mate, I
[37:06] Speaker 1: get it, but your job's here.
[37:09] Speaker 2: Well.
[37:09] Speaker 13: Look, when I ran for Lord Mayor Paul, I was
[37:12] Speaker 13: very explicit that I was going to be a Lord
[37:16] Speaker 13: Mayor who got out there and tried to attract new
[37:18] Speaker 13: investment and.
[37:19] Speaker 2: Business for the City of Melbourne. Member.
[37:22] Speaker 13: City of Melbourne counts about seven percent of the GDP
[37:24] Speaker 13: of Australia, and we have businesses that get a vote
[37:27] Speaker 13: in our city. And I got strong support from business
[37:30] Speaker 13: and residents in the election. And I had explicit policy
[37:34] Speaker 13: of leading trade missions to countries where there were great
[37:37] Speaker 13: opportunities for our city, like India, like.
[37:41] Speaker 2: China and Japan, and so that's what I'm out there doing.
[37:43] Speaker 13: So so far, I've done two major trade missions, generated
[37:47] Speaker 13: more than three hundred million dollars of economic activity for
[37:50] Speaker 13: the city, job pledges of well over one thousand new
[37:54] Speaker 13: jobs in software companies and other businesses.
[37:57] Speaker 2: And you don't win that new business by sitting by
[38:00] Speaker 2: kind a desk of town hall you sit at. You
[38:01] Speaker 2: do it by getting out there. You know, it's the
[38:04] Speaker 2: best country in the world.
[38:05] Speaker 13: I happen to think Melbourne is the best city in
[38:07] Speaker 13: the world, but we're a long way from everywhere else,
[38:10] Speaker 13: and so you've got to get out there and put
[38:12] Speaker 13: the case for my city, for our country.
[38:14] Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I'm doing.
[38:16] Speaker 1: See, Nicholas, I'm going to show you the act of
[38:18] Speaker 1: a friend. Right, airbus elbow right. Everyone knows what it means,
[38:21] Speaker 1: big sticker right, I've got one in my head, But
[38:24] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it because I'm your friend.
[38:25] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to
[38:27] Speaker 1: say it, all right.
[38:28] Speaker 2: Just text it to me after the show.
[38:30] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it, but just think twice
[38:34] Speaker 1: about the next flight all right. Now, Also in Victoria,
[38:38] Speaker 1: decision has been made about new gun laws, but they're
[38:41] Speaker 1: not going to follow on with the examples of some
[38:44] Speaker 1: other jurisdictions about a limit on the amount of guns
[38:48] Speaker 1: that somebody is going to be able to own. Susan,
[38:51] Speaker 1: we've seen a scenario where remember the sort of national
[38:54] Speaker 1: gun buyback thing, that policy is sort of basically fallen
[38:57] Speaker 1: apart because they can't get the majority of states to
[39:00] Speaker 1: agree on all of this. And you get Victoria knowing
[39:03] Speaker 1: that regional areas are going to really matter going into
[39:06] Speaker 1: this election, but they did going into the last one,
[39:08] Speaker 1: and that's why they promised to comonwealth games and then
[39:10] Speaker 1: they just bug it it off anyway, So let's see
[39:13] Speaker 1: what happens should they be re elected. But what do
[39:15] Speaker 1: you take out of what Victoria is doing not putting
[39:19] Speaker 1: the cap on the number of weapons.
[39:22] Speaker 12: Well, I think that the Victorian government is realizing what
[39:25] Speaker 12: we realized at a federal level is that this is
[39:28] Speaker 12: must be one of the most nonsensical policy decisions ever made.
[39:32] Speaker 12: We saw during the inquiry that this was a direct
[39:35] Speaker 12: attack on one million Australians accredited gun owners who go
[39:40] Speaker 12: through the most rigorous steps safety checks, police checks can
[39:45] Speaker 12: be checked on at any time of the day or night,
[39:47] Speaker 12: and where their guns are. One million Australians who have
[39:50] Speaker 12: the highest safety standards, who have been treated like criminals,
[39:54] Speaker 12: and these gun buybacks will not take one gun out
[39:58] Speaker 12: of the hands of gangs of criminal operatives. Instead, it
[40:02] Speaker 12: is a direct attack on these Australians who love hunting
[40:05] Speaker 12: and shooting, or protecting their livestock from feral animals or pests,
[40:11] Speaker 12: or managing animal.
[40:12] Speaker 5: Welfare for a whole lot of reasons.
[40:15] Speaker 12: This is a direct attack on those people, these gun buybacks.
[40:19] Speaker 12: So the Victorian government has discovered that and I think
[40:23] Speaker 12: that is good news. But I also just want to
[40:25] Speaker 12: make a quick comment to the Lord Mayor. I was
[40:28] Speaker 12: so delighted when I saw the countries that you're going to.
[40:31] Speaker 12: All of those countries have adopted high energy, low missions
[40:35] Speaker 12: coll far power as well as more gas and I
[40:39] Speaker 12: hope that while you were there you thought Victoria could
[40:43] Speaker 12: really benefit from the some of these policies, because you
[40:46] Speaker 12: can't have business investment without low energy prices, and that's
[40:50] Speaker 12: what it'll get you.
[40:51] Speaker 1: So nice trial, Well done, gold starf for the message.
[40:56] Speaker 1: I'm going to pull up in there forgive me right,
[40:57] Speaker 1: I'll text you Lady Nicholas, thank you very much to
[41:00] Speaker 1: do appreciate it. We thought you all again very very soon.
[41:02] Speaker 1: Thank you. That was a fub one. All right, quick
[41:04] Speaker 1: break back with more, a little more about the budget
[41:06] Speaker 1: and again about how to play the tactics here, because
[41:09] Speaker 1: how the parliament works matters because understandably there's stuff in
[41:12] Speaker 1: there that needs to be blocked, right, but if you
[41:14] Speaker 1: turn around and it's sort of one size fits all,
[41:17] Speaker 1: then do you play into the hands of the government
[41:19] Speaker 1: who get to do what they did last time to
[41:22] Speaker 1: the Libs when it came to previous tax situations. More
[41:26] Speaker 1: in a second. Dan Tina is the shadow Mergy Minister
[41:34] Speaker 1: and he joins us at now from Canberra. Love you
[41:36] Speaker 1: to see you, Dan, And I also should point out,
[41:38] Speaker 1: by the way in that most recent opinion poll he
[41:40] Speaker 1: would be one of the Liberals sort have left. He'd
[41:42] Speaker 1: be able to hold on to on and so we
[41:44] Speaker 1: certainly know people in that part of Victoria big fans.
[41:46] Speaker 1: It was good to see him with our town last month. Dan.
[41:49] Speaker 1: What about this thing today where we learn via Senate
[41:52] Speaker 1: estimates it cost one hundred and fifty million dollars to
[41:55] Speaker 1: prop up el President A Bowen one hundred and fifty
[41:59] Speaker 1: million dollars for what. Well, it's a very good question, Paul.
[42:04] Speaker 14: And not only that, we've learned that they've already spent
[42:09] Speaker 14: five hundred thousand dollars just with bureaucrats going around to
[42:15] Speaker 14: five to six different countries just sussing out with the
[42:20] Speaker 14: type of venues they want to go and visit and
[42:23] Speaker 14: have these cop negotiations. That it is just extraordinary, and
[42:29] Speaker 14: you'd sort of say to yourself, it's almost a little
[42:32] Speaker 14: bit funny, but then you remind yourself we've got a
[42:35] Speaker 14: serious cost of living crisis going on. The government has
[42:39] Speaker 14: a budget where they want to tax people more. They're
[42:42] Speaker 14: cutting private health insurance. I had a pension to come
[42:45] Speaker 14: up to me. She had her husband die cancer. She's
[42:49] Speaker 14: got serious, serious illness herself saying how am I going
[42:52] Speaker 14: to be able to afford my private health insurance. All
[42:55] Speaker 14: this is going on while Chris Bowen is on this
[42:58] Speaker 14: frolic an office in his own department, the Office of
[43:03] Speaker 14: the Presidency, after the role that he's got. It's sad,
[43:08] Speaker 14: it really is sad.
[43:09] Speaker 1: But also the only reason this has happened. It's a
[43:11] Speaker 1: consolation Prize after Australia was going to spend one hundreds
[43:16] Speaker 1: more in hosting a cop Instead it's off to Turkey.
[43:20] Speaker 1: So this is sort of the compromise right where we'll
[43:22] Speaker 1: host it. You go and do the negotiations, all right, whatever,
[43:26] Speaker 1: But the idea that a part time job costs one
[43:29] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars to maintain is a mockery.
[43:32] Speaker 1: And I know that this can be done about any
[43:34] Speaker 1: piece of government expenditure. But at the very start of
[43:37] Speaker 1: the show in your homestate of Victoria, I showed food
[43:39] Speaker 1: Bank in Victoria. Are talking about a scenario where people
[43:42] Speaker 1: who literally used to give money to food Bank are
[43:45] Speaker 1: now asking food Bank for help when it comes to
[43:47] Speaker 1: food You've got the charity sector right on the edge
[43:51] Speaker 1: right now, and it only gets worse. We all know why,
[43:53] Speaker 1: because of all those financial pressures. When the government had
[43:56] Speaker 1: a choice to spend one hundred and fifty million that
[43:58] Speaker 1: didn't up it for food Bank, they gave it to
[44:00] Speaker 1: World Presidente. Y, you're absolutely right, and Ol Presidente is
[44:07] Speaker 1: you know, whollier than now when it comes to emissions reduction.
[44:12] Speaker 14: Yet he's still happy to have all these bureaucrats in
[44:14] Speaker 14: himself jump on planes and have a mission spewing everywhere
[44:18] Speaker 14: while the people left back here are suffering and seriously suffering.
[44:24] Speaker 14: I mean, you know, this cost of living crisis has
[44:27] Speaker 14: been going on and on. The fall in living standards
[44:32] Speaker 14: in this country is the worst in the developed world,
[44:35] Speaker 14: and yet we see this type of expenditure. And you know,
[44:39] Speaker 14: let's look at the hypocrisy, because Chris Bowen is today
[44:43] Speaker 14: in question time talking about how he's saving us when
[44:47] Speaker 14: it comes to fossil fuels, so you know, he's also
[44:50] Speaker 14: talking with a four tongue that the whole thing is
[44:54] Speaker 14: a complete and utter joke. But the sad thing is
[44:57] Speaker 14: it's a joke while Australia and so seriously seriously doing it.
[45:02] Speaker 1: So tough. Yeah, I'm with you. Now, let's talk about
[45:04] Speaker 1: how the government is going to try to wedge the opposition,
[45:07] Speaker 1: which is one in all in, no split, nothing, and
[45:10] Speaker 1: they've got the numbers to do this in the Lower
[45:12] Speaker 1: House when it comes to the budget. All right, So
[45:15] Speaker 1: you're in the unenviewable position of you're either in up
[45:18] Speaker 1: in a scenario where yep, tick and flick will deal
[45:20] Speaker 1: with all of this in the Senate, or you, of
[45:22] Speaker 1: course register the opposition downstairs, when you know what the
[45:26] Speaker 1: result is going to be anyway, you know how effective
[45:31] Speaker 1: the political tactics were last year when it came to
[45:35] Speaker 1: the accepting or rejecting of things. When it comes to
[45:37] Speaker 1: the budget, how do you avoid the same issue, regardless
[45:41] Speaker 1: of how principled the position is to say no to
[45:45] Speaker 1: the one in all in nature of all.
[45:47] Speaker 14: This, Well, it's a really good question, Paul. And the
[45:51] Speaker 14: great thing about what Angus Taylor did in his budget
[45:55] Speaker 14: in reply speech is he set out a clear alternative
[45:58] Speaker 14: that where are going to be sure and that clear
[46:00] Speaker 14: alternative is to get rid of bracket creep.
[46:03] Speaker 1: Once and for all.
[46:04] Speaker 14: So we have a package where we want to lower taxes,
[46:07] Speaker 14: and we want to lower taxes considerably more than what
[46:10] Speaker 14: the Albanzy labor government are doing because they want to
[46:14] Speaker 14: lower taxes here in meanwhile, they want to raise taxes
[46:18] Speaker 14: over here, and in the end what are they doing.
[46:21] Speaker 14: They're going to tax taxes more and more, whereas we
[46:24] Speaker 14: want to be a low taxing government. And that's why
[46:28] Speaker 14: in opposition we've got a low taxing policy. So look,
[46:32] Speaker 14: we've obviously got to go through the final tactics that
[46:35] Speaker 14: we can pursue but I can say this to the
[46:37] Speaker 14: Australian people. What we will be championing is lower taxation
[46:43] Speaker 14: and we're not going to fall into the tricks of
[46:46] Speaker 14: alban Easy and Bowen, especially when both of them have
[46:50] Speaker 14: looked the Australian people in the eye and blatantly lied
[46:54] Speaker 14: to them about what they were going to do before
[46:56] Speaker 14: the election. They have no credibility left whatsoever. The Australian
[47:01] Speaker 14: people are not going to be able to trust anything
[47:03] Speaker 14: they say between now and the next election, let alone
[47:07] Speaker 14: what they might say they wanted to do after that election.
[47:10] Speaker 14: Whereas we just want to be very firm with the
[47:12] Speaker 14: Australian people. We're a low taxing opposition. We're going to
[47:16] Speaker 14: take policies which are low taxing and that's the message
[47:19] Speaker 14: that you'll get from us this week.
[47:21] Speaker 1: Good stuff. Thank you very much, Dan. We'll talk again
[47:23] Speaker 1: very soon. We'll look forward to your efforts in that
[47:25] Speaker 1: question time the next few days. Dante and there the
[47:27] Speaker 1: Shadow Energy Minister, join us from Camber. A quick break
[47:29] Speaker 1: back with more plenty to talk about, including a wild weekend.
[47:32] Speaker 1: When it comes to motorsport. You know it's my favorite sport,
[47:34] Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what it involved. Ozzie is here
[47:36] Speaker 1: and around the world. Hey, you know I love motorsport. Well,
[47:45] Speaker 1: the Indy five hundred was run on one very early
[47:48] Speaker 1: this morning. New Zealander's Scott McLaughlin. But let's cannabis and
[47:51] Speaker 1: Aussie finished third. But have a look how close it
[47:54] Speaker 1: was between first and second. This is the final lap
[48:00] Speaker 1: over the line's going to be by ched proser quest.
[48:06] Speaker 10: Oh my goodness, whoa.
[48:12] Speaker 1: What a month of day, not even half of a
[48:16] Speaker 1: car length. As for our maide oscar past three things
[48:20] Speaker 1: not fantastic after issues regarding tires, engines and all the
[48:23] Speaker 1: rest of it in Canada.
[48:26] Speaker 2: Fortunately for us it's.
[48:29] Speaker 15: Top rating as as the formation up started basically so
[48:35] Speaker 15: he Actually, it's just one of those things where grained
[48:38] Speaker 15: a little bit more, we would have looked like heroes,
[48:41] Speaker 15: but it didn't, so we looked like idiots. So just
[48:45] Speaker 15: one of those things. I mean, it was just so
[48:48] Speaker 15: so difficult out there.
[48:51] Speaker 8: You know.
[48:51] Speaker 15: I was I felt like I was going into the
[48:52] Speaker 15: corner pretty carefully and locked the front and then that
[48:59] Speaker 15: was it.
[48:59] Speaker 1: So don't get me started about how great the vas
[49:02] Speaker 1: where Mtazi. Next up for them is Darwin is a
[49:05] Speaker 1: late debate

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