# Paul Murray Live | 2 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 2 Jul 2026, 49 min.

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Greens leader ducks the Midwinter Ball, the Australian Federal Police investigates the GetUp! stunt. Plus, Andrew Hastie wages a war on One Nation. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the skying setter. This is Paul Murray Live. What
[0:06] Speaker 1: a lovely way to win the show, Caroline, and wonderful
[0:09] Speaker 1: week as well. We will see you again next week
[0:11] Speaker 1: filling in for Shari. Thank you very much for watching
[0:13] Speaker 1: Paul Murray here and Paul Murray Live the Man Cave.
[0:16] Speaker 1: Thank you for all the great responses to the docco
[0:18] Speaker 1: last night. It will go up on YouTube over the weekend.
[0:20] Speaker 1: If you want to be the first to get there,
[0:22] Speaker 1: follow us on the socials and you can sit there
[0:25] Speaker 1: and be ready for it to drop just in time
[0:27] Speaker 1: for the fourth All right, Now, last night was when
[0:31] Speaker 1: the political elites had their night of nights, the Midwinter Ball. Now,
[0:36] Speaker 1: I have always had a big ick, big gick or
[0:39] Speaker 1: this gives me the big ick, whatever the kids say,
[0:42] Speaker 1: because this is the absolute intersection of politics, media business.
[0:49] Speaker 1: It's all under the guise of raising money for charity,
[0:52] Speaker 1: but the reality is it is the establishment's school formal.
[0:57] Speaker 1: It is an absolute inn club here right now. Again,
[1:01] Speaker 1: the Midwinter Ball, which is run by the Press Gallery
[1:04] Speaker 1: in Canberra, has raised five point eight million dollars for
[1:07] Speaker 1: charity since it started in the year two thousand. Again,
[1:09] Speaker 1: big tick, who has a problem with raising money for charity.
[1:12] Speaker 1: But let's be honest. This, what they say, is the
[1:15] Speaker 1: main purpose. As I said, it really is one of
[1:18] Speaker 1: the ultimate networking moments that exist in Canberra. And you
[1:23] Speaker 1: are not invited. Yes, you might be able to buy
[1:26] Speaker 1: a ticket, but the reality is is that if you
[1:28] Speaker 1: are a member of the press gallery or one of
[1:30] Speaker 1: their guests, the tickets are one hundred and fifty dollars
[1:32] Speaker 1: of you are an mp IS senator staff for all
[1:35] Speaker 1: their guests two hundred dollars. But again it's essentially closed
[1:38] Speaker 1: to the public. And again, yes, I keep saying, yes
[1:42] Speaker 1: it raises money, and again can't have two hard a
[1:45] Speaker 1: crack on that. But you get people like Clara O'Neill
[1:48] Speaker 1: who make it seem like attending this school formal is
[1:51] Speaker 1: some sort of an act of charity in and of itself.
[1:55] Speaker 1: Great to be raising money last night for some amazing charities.
[1:59] Speaker 1: That Parliament's midwinter ball great place to celebrate Australian journalists
[2:06] Speaker 1: get a bit of positive cross party vibes going. Now.
[2:12] Speaker 1: One of the rules of the way that this works,
[2:14] Speaker 1: or one of the key acts, and it's really from
[2:17] Speaker 1: another time and it never should have been even when
[2:19] Speaker 1: it was the other time is that you know how
[2:22] Speaker 1: there is the President's correspondence dinner, the White House correspondents Dinner,
[2:27] Speaker 1: where the President gets up and kind of tells jokes
[2:29] Speaker 1: about himself about the media. Well, this event also has
[2:33] Speaker 1: a similar thing with the Prime Minister and the opposition leader,
[2:36] Speaker 1: but no one's allowed to film it, and no one's
[2:38] Speaker 1: allowed to report, and no one's allowed to record it,
[2:41] Speaker 1: because my goodness, then somehow they'll pull their punches. But
[2:44] Speaker 1: of course there's always a way this stuff gets out.
[2:49] Speaker 1: But what is really intriguing here is that again what
[2:54] Speaker 1: they present as raising money for charity really becomes a
[2:57] Speaker 1: way for companies, lobby groups get right up next to
[3:01] Speaker 1: the politicians that are making the choices and the media
[3:05] Speaker 1: that are supposedly policing their choices. But again, it's just
[3:09] Speaker 1: one big club. And as long as you get along
[3:12] Speaker 1: and you support the club and you kiss the ring
[3:14] Speaker 1: and it'll all be fine. You rock the boat, they
[3:17] Speaker 1: rip you out of the castle. Well in their coverage
[3:20] Speaker 1: of all of this, because of course the media loves
[3:22] Speaker 1: talking about the media. I'm talking about this because it
[3:24] Speaker 1: is the ultimate example of what in America they call
[3:27] Speaker 1: the swamp what some people here have called the Bill
[3:29] Speaker 1: of Bong, what you and I can just call the
[3:31] Speaker 1: Canberra Club right now, again, this is all about raising
[3:36] Speaker 1: money for charity, right well? Can we go to the
[3:38] Speaker 1: Herald article about this year, which says that less than
[3:42] Speaker 1: twenty four hours ago the coalition of the Greens teamed
[3:45] Speaker 1: up to kick Labour's lukewarm gambling crack down onto another committee.
[3:50] Speaker 1: So you think not a single member of the Albaneze
[3:52] Speaker 1: government would be caught dead sitting in Canberra's annual Night
[3:55] Speaker 1: of Knights and the midment a ball at a table
[3:56] Speaker 1: sponsored by sports Bet, But you'd be wrong. Imagine to
[4:01] Speaker 1: our amusement when Labor MP for Hunter dan Nell Repericoli
[4:08] Speaker 1: and his wife decided to accept sports BET's hospitality when
[4:11] Speaker 1: fishing around for tickets to Canberra's annual met gala for
[4:16] Speaker 1: ugly people. So let's all raise money for charity. But
[4:20] Speaker 1: it seems in this case there wasn't even the raising
[4:22] Speaker 1: money for charity because somebody else bought the tickets. And
[4:24] Speaker 1: to somebody else is somebody who has current business before
[4:27] Speaker 1: the government. And again to the secrecy of the speeches.
[4:32] Speaker 1: Now Lourie Oaks broke this a long time ago, and
[4:35] Speaker 1: people even forget that that took place. But we still
[4:38] Speaker 1: live in this stupid rule where they pretend no one
[4:40] Speaker 1: can see the gags. They're not dropping f bombs, they're
[4:43] Speaker 1: not saying nasty stuff that is so unerable. It's just
[4:48] Speaker 1: for the room, so therefore people want to get in
[4:50] Speaker 1: the room. I'll give you the tip. If you get
[4:52] Speaker 1: the media with the people they're supposed to be at
[4:54] Speaker 1: arms length with, and companies that want to get even
[4:56] Speaker 1: closer to both the media to plant their stories and
[5:00] Speaker 1: the people who regulate, they'll still turn up. Regardless of
[5:03] Speaker 1: whether this is a black tie event, it's a barbecue,
[5:06] Speaker 1: it's done in the middle of the day, the middle
[5:08] Speaker 1: of the night, where the cameras are there or not.
[5:11] Speaker 1: Well apparently the speeches unsurprisingly, as rated by the Press Gallery,
[5:15] Speaker 1: Anthony Uberneazy Yay Angus Taylor Boo, the Prime Minister, made
[5:19] Speaker 1: some predictable remarks about News Corp It's so funny and
[5:23] Speaker 1: the Big four consulting giant e Y after two of
[5:27] Speaker 1: its staff faced charges after they allegedly access to PAMs
[5:30] Speaker 1: confidential backing details. He's the Prime Minister. I mean, you
[5:33] Speaker 1: can't report on this, but geez, how they get the
[5:35] Speaker 1: quote For those wondering in late there's plenty of room
[5:38] Speaker 1: of the e y table said to laughs, don't worry,
[5:42] Speaker 1: they've got your details. But on Bump. More entertaining to us, though,
[5:47] Speaker 1: was oppositionally to Angus Taylor's belly flop. Angus Taylor's billy flop.
[5:52] Speaker 1: You opposition leader had big schuster to fill after his predecessor,
[5:54] Speaker 1: Susan Lee brought down the House last year. Again, all
[5:57] Speaker 1: this support for Susan Lee, who they never gave the
[6:00] Speaker 1: support to. She just was sort of the most palatable
[6:02] Speaker 1: version of a Liberal that they would end up beating
[6:04] Speaker 1: up on. But Taylor, who along with Peter Dudden has
[6:07] Speaker 1: the most humorous of personalities, were to take the stage
[6:12] Speaker 1: in the Great Hall, failed to even meet the low
[6:14] Speaker 1: expectations that were set for him. And again just to
[6:18] Speaker 1: give you an idea of the Canberra Club and how
[6:20] Speaker 1: often Question Time, which is supposed to be the one
[6:23] Speaker 1: hour of the day where Parliament is shown as widely
[6:28] Speaker 1: as possible on live television or listen to on the radio,
[6:31] Speaker 1: with all of those people from the press following on
[6:34] Speaker 1: our behalf the Prime Minister made jokes about Angus Taylor's speech,
[6:39] Speaker 1: a speech that, remember, the public hasn't heard that the
[6:42] Speaker 1: reporters can't report upon. But of course he's just the
[6:45] Speaker 1: king of the Canbra Castle, right, So why not have
[6:48] Speaker 1: the most inside of, inside of inside bubble jokes for
[6:51] Speaker 1: the bubble. If I was someone on that side led
[6:55] Speaker 1: by this leader of the opposition, I wouldn't be mentioning
[6:58] Speaker 1: last night.
[7:02] Speaker 2: I would pretend I won't pretend it was all a
[7:07] Speaker 2: bad dream.
[7:14] Speaker 1: I mean again, I don't know the speech. I don't
[7:16] Speaker 1: know whether it was a flop. All the reports seem
[7:18] Speaker 1: to be that it is. But what I mean, what
[7:20] Speaker 1: a bully this guy is. I mean, you see the way,
[7:23] Speaker 1: the swagger, all the rest of it. Here anyone in
[7:26] Speaker 1: their way as part of a right wing conspiracy his
[7:28] Speaker 1: political opponent. And we're raising money for charity, and that's
[7:31] Speaker 1: why we're taking a couple of light digs at each other.
[7:34] Speaker 1: Let's bring it out into the public, and let's make
[7:36] Speaker 1: reference to it for the media. The media go because
[7:39] Speaker 1: they heard the joke. They don't care that you didn't.
[7:42] Speaker 1: But there's something that's a bigger problem at the heart
[7:45] Speaker 1: of all of this that probably means the event needs
[7:47] Speaker 1: to change. Itself where you sure raise money for charity,
[7:50] Speaker 1: do it in the middle of the day, and you
[7:51] Speaker 1: know what, let the sunlight come in and literally let
[7:54] Speaker 1: the cameras roll. Now, I disagree on many things that
[7:58] Speaker 1: this reporter has to say about the way the world works,
[8:01] Speaker 1: but I kind of agree here in what she wrote
[8:03] Speaker 1: for the New Daily, which is a union super backed
[8:07] Speaker 1: news agency, outdated and killing trust. What's wrong with the press?
[8:10] Speaker 1: Galeries Knight of Knights quote, the rumors full is full
[8:14] Speaker 1: with all the people elite journalists are supposed to be
[8:17] Speaker 1: holding into account, big lobby groups, big banks, fossil fuel
[8:19] Speaker 1: representatives and tech and anyone else who says power and
[8:22] Speaker 1: influence in being in the room, as well as politicians
[8:25] Speaker 1: with the unspoken understanding that the journalists have down tools.
[8:29] Speaker 1: There was a Kifa full a few years ago when
[8:31] Speaker 1: the Press Gallery Committee had to capitulate to pressure and
[8:34] Speaker 1: remove the decree that the speeches be given by the
[8:37] Speaker 1: Prime Minister and the Opposition leader were off their record
[8:39] Speaker 1: in terms of reporting. That's because of course they were broken, right,
[8:43] Speaker 1: So you can't have tape if you can't have audio
[8:45] Speaker 1: of it, but you know the quotes, that's sort of okay.
[8:48] Speaker 1: Really now. She's also a member of the Australian Institute.
[8:52] Speaker 1: I think they too had a shindig last night. This
[8:55] Speaker 1: one was for the far left, for those who didn't
[8:58] Speaker 1: want to be seen to be dancing with the swamp
[9:01] Speaker 1: or they were doing politics in the pub last night.
[9:03] Speaker 1: Their guest was Larissa Waters. I spent so much time
[9:07] Speaker 1: talking about this because there are people on the left
[9:12] Speaker 1: and on the right, and I would imagine it is
[9:15] Speaker 1: now the majority of Australians who've had enough of the
[9:19] Speaker 1: club always getting a pay rise, the club being able
[9:21] Speaker 1: to travel wherever they want, the club taking care of
[9:23] Speaker 1: each other, the media running protection rackets for the system
[9:29] Speaker 1: and playing favorites with their own versions of politicians while
[9:33] Speaker 1: looking down their nose people like me, programs like this,
[9:37] Speaker 1: stations like this, and audiences like you for having an opinion.
[9:43] Speaker 1: Great to raise money for charity, but you can do
[9:45] Speaker 1: it in a different way. Will they ever listen? No,
[9:48] Speaker 1: because why would they ever change the way they do things.
[9:51] Speaker 1: The one politician who understand's never been to this thing
[9:53] Speaker 1: and certainly hasn't been near it for a very long time,
[9:56] Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen, because she doesn't need to play footsie with
[10:01] Speaker 1: the people who find new ways to try to kick
[10:03] Speaker 1: her on the backside all day, every day. Good on
[10:06] Speaker 1: her and anyone else who said no to going last night,
[10:11] Speaker 1: And speaking of a few people have sent me emails saying, hey, Paul,
[10:14] Speaker 1: what's going on when it comes to the police investigation
[10:17] Speaker 1: about what happened to the National Press Club when Pauline
[10:19] Speaker 1: Hansen was giving her speech at the nest National Press Club.
[10:22] Speaker 1: You know what happened. You can all see it. We
[10:24] Speaker 1: also know who was responsible for it. They put out
[10:27] Speaker 1: a one line press release saying, yeah, it was us.
[10:32] Speaker 1: You also know that the Press Club. Well they wanted
[10:35] Speaker 1: to say we're not in on all of this. We
[10:36] Speaker 1: didn't secretly let anyone put this up. We didn't know
[10:40] Speaker 1: that it was coming. In fact, they put out a
[10:43] Speaker 1: statement two weeks ago, about two and a half weeks now,
[10:46] Speaker 1: it appeared that two persons entered the club building yesterday
[10:49] Speaker 1: afternoon without permission and installed a separate drop down screen
[10:53] Speaker 1: in front of our media wall. It is evident that
[10:56] Speaker 1: a further person present during the address activated a remote
[11:00] Speaker 1: device to trigger the unfurling of the coiled banner, and
[11:05] Speaker 1: we were told police are investigating. Now you wouldn't think
[11:09] Speaker 1: that this is particularly difficult for them to investigate. Now again,
[11:12] Speaker 1: do I say everyone involved in this needs to go
[11:14] Speaker 1: to the clink for the rest of their lives. No,
[11:17] Speaker 1: But should there be consequences for this, including whatever was
[11:21] Speaker 1: going on in the lead up to it litt alone
[11:23] Speaker 1: the actual execution of it. Yeah, of course. And police
[11:27] Speaker 1: again we're telling us they were investigating. Well, if we
[11:30] Speaker 1: know what happened, if there is CCTV footage, the people
[11:33] Speaker 1: who've done it to put the hand up and said it,
[11:35] Speaker 1: how have we not got a little more action. Well,
[11:38] Speaker 1: thankfully margin call in the Australian newspaper actually got the
[11:41] Speaker 1: same thought and actually decided to pick up the phone.
[11:45] Speaker 1: Based on information I've heard of the National Press Club
[11:47] Speaker 1: bar we hear that police have interviewed some of the
[11:51] Speaker 1: key figures involved In recent days. AFP Forensic's officers have
[11:54] Speaker 1: also been involved. They've interviewed several of our staff and
[11:58] Speaker 1: we have provided them with relevant CCTV footage. The National
[12:02] Speaker 1: Press Club's chief executive has confirmed David Sharasho was, of
[12:07] Speaker 1: course the person I think at the top of get
[12:09] Speaker 1: up now he to climb to comment when contacted on Thursday,
[12:12] Speaker 1: and fair enough, they say. I. Meanwhile, a spokesperson very
[12:15] Speaker 1: ct police is the investigation is ongoing. Stay tuned, we
[12:19] Speaker 1: will now Again, I don't expect the entire process to
[12:24] Speaker 1: have been won and done by now. But we know
[12:26] Speaker 1: what happened, we know where it happened, We know the
[12:28] Speaker 1: CCTV about whom they may well believe to be the
[12:33] Speaker 1: people who entered without the permission. Now, they didn't break in,
[12:37] Speaker 1: so did somebody let them in? Did they make the
[12:39] Speaker 1: most of the side door? Is anyone barred from going
[12:43] Speaker 1: to the press Club as a result of this?
[12:45] Speaker 3: Nu?
[12:46] Speaker 1: Of course? Please please don't upset the apple cart. Right,
[12:49] Speaker 1: it was good copy. I forget the security implications of it. Whatever, Right,
[12:54] Speaker 1: who cares? You're being too sensitive? Again the CCTV footage, ironically,
[13:02] Speaker 1: that all of the media would have demanded if it
[13:04] Speaker 1: happened somewhere else, and they would have run that CCTV footage.
[13:07] Speaker 1: But isn't it amazing that none of the media who
[13:09] Speaker 1: are also members the National Press Club have run any
[13:11] Speaker 1: of that CCTV footage. Well under the odds for following up,
[13:15] Speaker 1: we will continue to do so. Now. The problems in
[13:20] Speaker 1: and around corruption and the Big Build in Victoria. This
[13:23] Speaker 1: story gets worse by the day, and tonight there has
[13:28] Speaker 1: been a major moment in that story. The Age newspaper
[13:33] Speaker 1: is claiming as their lead tonight the momentum is growing
[13:36] Speaker 1: for a royal commission into the Big Build. Now, that
[13:40] Speaker 1: in and of itself is interesting because labor and peace
[13:43] Speaker 1: want it to happen. Now, the reality is is that
[13:46] Speaker 1: because we have an election coming up in Victoria in November,
[13:50] Speaker 1: the chances of terms of reference and commissioner being picked,
[13:53] Speaker 1: evidence being taken before November I wouldn't imagine.
[13:57] Speaker 3: Now.
[13:57] Speaker 1: Of course, we saw when it came to Albanezi and
[14:00] Speaker 1: the Anti Semitism Royal Commission. They were able to put
[14:02] Speaker 1: out an interim report before they'd even spoken to a witness,
[14:05] Speaker 1: So it can be done quickly. But if the Victorian
[14:08] Speaker 1: government eventually calls one of these, you watch how slow
[14:12] Speaker 1: that process is going to be. Many many months of
[14:14] Speaker 1: submissions and there'll be no real information that comes out
[14:17] Speaker 1: before the election. But remember the absurdity of the Premiere
[14:23] Speaker 1: telling us that what had been proven to be elements
[14:26] Speaker 1: of corruption in and around access to this scheme by
[14:30] Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Remember what she had said, just as late
[14:35] Speaker 1: as a couple of days ago, that the twenty five
[14:37] Speaker 1: percent increase that clearly was to help cover corruption wasn't corruption,
[14:43] Speaker 1: it was inflation. I think we even have the grab
[14:45] Speaker 1: here is what she said a couple of days ago.
[14:48] Speaker 4: And so whether it's a hospital, school, or a tunnel,
[14:52] Speaker 4: we have seen that through inflationary pressures. Inflationary pressures that
[14:57] Speaker 4: includes the supply of materials and also worker wages, they've
[15:01] Speaker 4: gone up over the past twelve years, and that also
[15:04] Speaker 4: includes the period of the pandemic. Now that's not corruption,
[15:09] Speaker 4: that's inflation.
[15:12] Speaker 1: Now there was the absurdity of yesterday, she said to Allan,
[15:16] Speaker 1: literally literally running away from the media, claiming she couldn't
[15:20] Speaker 1: possibly answer any of the questions that are building because
[15:23] Speaker 1: the stories are coming each and every day about who
[15:26] Speaker 1: knew what and where. There's even a more detailed story
[15:28] Speaker 1: tonight about a union representative being completely okay that Mick
[15:31] Speaker 1: Gaddo's involved in. You get my point, right, This keeps
[15:35] Speaker 1: coming because the story, and remember sixty minutes says that
[15:38] Speaker 1: the money is still being traced to payments in twenty
[15:41] Speaker 1: twenty six, she said to Alan before she became the premier,
[15:44] Speaker 1: was of course the Minister for the big build. Didn't
[15:47] Speaker 1: she also have minister a responsibility for the Commonwealth Games,
[15:50] Speaker 1: So two big problems. But now, of course she sits
[15:53] Speaker 1: at the top of the tree. She's going and hoping
[15:55] Speaker 1: for and fingers crossed wanting another term in office. She
[16:01] Speaker 1: canceled a press conference today because there's a good chance
[16:04] Speaker 1: that Dat McKenzie, the one who's lined her up successfully
[16:07] Speaker 1: over multiple stories on sixty minutes, and it's pretty rare
[16:10] Speaker 1: for there to be multiple stories on sixty minutes about
[16:12] Speaker 1: one subject. But they keep going back to the world
[16:14] Speaker 1: because the world gets deeper. Well tonight, Jacinta Allen has
[16:19] Speaker 1: written an opinion piece for The Age newspaper. Now I
[16:25] Speaker 1: don't know if the logic here is well, it's the Age,
[16:27] Speaker 1: he's doing the reporting, so if I just write the
[16:29] Speaker 1: comment of the Age, that it will just stay inside
[16:31] Speaker 1: the silo of the Age, when methinks not. The headline
[16:36] Speaker 1: on the piece says, I'm deeply sorry for what happened
[16:38] Speaker 1: on big bill projects. This is how we stop it
[16:41] Speaker 1: happening again. And after paragraphs and paragraphs and paragraphs of
[16:45] Speaker 1: rubbish where she sort of pads out the CV, you
[16:50] Speaker 1: get to the meat of this inflation is one issue,
[16:54] Speaker 1: criminality is another, and there should be no confusion between
[16:57] Speaker 1: the two who created that. We now know that criminals
[17:02] Speaker 1: operated on some of Victoria's construction sites. Really you only
[17:07] Speaker 1: now know this to be the case. Well, I again
[17:09] Speaker 1: referred to the reporting of sixty minutes, the report they
[17:12] Speaker 1: just did, the one before and the one before that
[17:15] Speaker 1: there was violence, intimidation, organized criminal behavior that is shocking,
[17:19] Speaker 1: shocking and unacceptable. It should have never happened. Well, the
[17:22] Speaker 1: point being that in terms of the payments, the proof was.
[17:25] Speaker 5: Twenty twenty six, not twenty five, not twenty four, or
[17:27] Speaker 5: twenty three not eighteen. Now it does not represent the
[17:33] Speaker 5: overwhelming majority of decent, dedicated, proud union workers on these projects.
[17:38] Speaker 5: But it still happened, and I accept that.
[17:41] Speaker 1: Again, you've got to go digging as if you were
[17:43] Speaker 1: somebody working on the big bill to finally get to
[17:46] Speaker 1: I am deeply sorry that it happened on projects funded
[17:50] Speaker 1: by the Victorian people. And that's it. No, I should
[17:55] Speaker 1: have done better as the minister. No, I definitely didn't know.
[17:58] Speaker 1: That's the line. I'm deeply sorry for what happened on
[18:02] Speaker 1: projects funded by the Victorian people. Now, the question is
[18:06] Speaker 1: how do we stop it happening again? The answer is
[18:09] Speaker 1: to enforced the law. We gave Victoria police stronger power it.
[18:11] Speaker 1: But believe me, if there are walls to close in,
[18:19] Speaker 1: they are closing in fast. How can Labor impeace, in
[18:24] Speaker 1: any good faith and any decency continue on with her
[18:28] Speaker 1: as their leader when again, she was not foreign to
[18:32] Speaker 1: this project, She was of this project. Her argument about
[18:38] Speaker 1: being shocked is ignorance. How does that become a qualification
[18:44] Speaker 1: for four more years as the government in Victoria. Now,
[18:50] Speaker 1: even if Labor finds some way to find a spine,
[18:53] Speaker 1: find a backbone, and move her on as the premiere, well,
[18:57] Speaker 1: there's still the stench of this that exists. It's because
[19:00] Speaker 1: of the problem that is so deeply at the heart
[19:03] Speaker 1: of this government. And as Stephen Conery explained on the
[19:07] Speaker 1: show last night, a proud member of the Victorian Labor Party,
[19:10] Speaker 1: this is not the party that he joins, represents and
[19:14] Speaker 1: fights for it. That is finding ways to look the
[19:17] Speaker 1: other way through all of this. So best case scenario,
[19:22] Speaker 1: there is a new government in Victoria. Second best scenario
[19:26] Speaker 1: there's a new premier in Victoria. Third best scenario there
[19:31] Speaker 1: is a Royal Commission. Fourth best scenario, the Royal Commission
[19:38] Speaker 1: is announced, but takes forever to happen and of course
[19:41] Speaker 1: does nothing before November. Meantime, latest opinion polls have come
[19:46] Speaker 1: out tonight and they show One Nation as the number
[19:50] Speaker 1: one choice right now standalone of Victorian voters ahead of
[19:53] Speaker 1: this election happening in November, twenty six percent for Labor,
[19:58] Speaker 1: twenty six percent for the twenty seven percent for One Nation,
[20:02] Speaker 1: thirteen percent for the Greens, and eight percent somewhere else. Obviously,
[20:06] Speaker 1: logically we can all do the maths that if the
[20:09] Speaker 1: One Nation and Liberals get together preference each other, then
[20:11] Speaker 1: there is a block of over fifty percent. They want
[20:14] Speaker 1: to change the government and they want to move it
[20:16] Speaker 1: away from the hard left that has been running the
[20:19] Speaker 1: joint for way too long. Interestingly, when you have a
[20:22] Speaker 1: look at this which voters or voters believe that the
[20:27] Speaker 1: parties have focused on the right issues for Victoria, thirty
[20:30] Speaker 1: nine percent of people say it's the Liberals, forty percent
[20:34] Speaker 1: of say it's One Nation, which again is higher than
[20:38] Speaker 1: the primary vote there, twenty five percent say for the Nationals,
[20:41] Speaker 1: thirty percent say for the Greens, and thirty one percent
[20:45] Speaker 1: for Labor. So Labor is on all the wrong side
[20:47] Speaker 1: of all of the polling, right, even when you look
[20:49] Speaker 1: at the personal numbers here where the favorability number of
[20:54] Speaker 1: just center Allen is well in the toot fifty nine
[20:58] Speaker 1: percent of people with an unfavorable percent of her. Presumably
[21:01] Speaker 1: that's not enough to win an election, but let's be honest.
[21:04] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson, well, it's great to pol is not running
[21:07] Speaker 1: in the Victorian election. Jess Wilson, who would presumably be
[21:10] Speaker 1: the next premier if they end up winning more seats
[21:12] Speaker 1: than one Nation, Well, again, she only got a thirty
[21:14] Speaker 1: one percent favorable fifty one is sitting in the don't
[21:17] Speaker 1: know zone, which means, of course the scare ads will
[21:20] Speaker 1: play a part as for MOI redeeming and whether she
[21:25] Speaker 1: is going to end up being the leader of one nation,
[21:27] Speaker 1: because clearly one nation currently sits without a leader, and
[21:31] Speaker 1: as Andrew Bolt explained in some detail this evening has
[21:36] Speaker 1: not quite hit the starter's gone yet on their Victorian campaign.
[21:40] Speaker 1: Paul and Hanson, when speaking earlier this afternoon on three
[21:44] Speaker 1: our W said that in the South Australian election, it
[21:49] Speaker 1: was only six weeks before where they named Corey Bernardi
[21:51] Speaker 1: is the leader and look what happened so five months. Yes,
[21:54] Speaker 1: some people may say that that is already too late. Well,
[21:57] Speaker 1: the plan will be they'll get to their leader, they'll
[21:59] Speaker 1: get to an adventure. But it won't be more redeeming.
[22:02] Speaker 1: Now if more redeeming had thought it one day there
[22:04] Speaker 1: was some sort of a future outside of the Liberal
[22:07] Speaker 1: Party with one nation, and maybe there was some footsies
[22:09] Speaker 1: at some point in time, that door is slammed shut
[22:11] Speaker 1: for all the obvious reasons. And expect her to lose
[22:14] Speaker 1: Liberal endorsement tomorrow. Could that be as late as six weeks.
[22:18] Speaker 6: Out from the stadium and when I don't know when
[22:21] Speaker 6: I will be announcing that that person the candidates. I'd
[22:24] Speaker 6: like to actually put it to make the announcements for
[22:26] Speaker 6: all the candidates everyone at the same time. It's not
[22:28] Speaker 6: going to be dribble here and dribble there with it.
[22:30] Speaker 1: Do you have someone in mind?
[22:32] Speaker 6: So, yes, I do have someone in mind. No, you're
[22:34] Speaker 6: not going to give the truths from me, so don't
[22:37] Speaker 6: ask me. You won't beget an answer. But that's you know,
[22:41] Speaker 6: the person they're not put in there will have knowledge
[22:44] Speaker 6: and experience and hopefully we'll drive a damn good campaign
[22:47] Speaker 6: and hold the two major political parties still count on
[22:50] Speaker 6: behalf of the people of Victoria.
[22:52] Speaker 7: The Victorian Liberal Party is meeting tomorrow to determine the
[22:55] Speaker 7: future of the candidacy of more redeeming Would you welcome
[22:58] Speaker 7: murder one Nation?
[23:00] Speaker 6: No, don't want to flat out no, no, no so,
[23:05] Speaker 6: And I'll tell you why. I know she had a
[23:08] Speaker 6: lot of sports from the pairple what she stood up,
[23:09] Speaker 6: but I think based on her allegations against a Liberal
[23:15] Speaker 6: Party colleague of hers that were proven to be you know,
[23:19] Speaker 6: no charges were laid, refused to make an apology, and
[23:24] Speaker 6: you don't do that to your follower colleagues. And it
[23:27] Speaker 6: tells me a person who's not prepared to admit that
[23:30] Speaker 6: they got it wrong and backs away from it. You know,
[23:33] Speaker 6: that's I want a person with integrity and honesty and
[23:37] Speaker 6: I don't see that, and that's why I would not
[23:41] Speaker 6: offer her a position with One Nation.
[23:44] Speaker 1: So it all feels it all seems like it's all
[23:46] Speaker 1: headed in one direction. Right, A government in a world
[23:48] Speaker 1: of trouble with a deeply unpopular leader, so it's inevitable,
[23:51] Speaker 1: right they're going to lose. Well, no, because the very
[23:55] Speaker 1: same opinion poll shows us it matters which of the
[23:59] Speaker 1: center right part ends up in charge of the opposition.
[24:03] Speaker 1: Why and this is going to be the sole scare
[24:06] Speaker 1: tactic between now and November, which is, if it is
[24:10] Speaker 1: in the end a choice between the Liberal Party and
[24:13] Speaker 1: the Labor Party, the Coalition will win fifty four to
[24:17] Speaker 1: forty six. But if it is a choice between Labor
[24:20] Speaker 1: and one nation, Labour wins fifty two forty eight. Why because,
[24:26] Speaker 1: of course all the left goes to Labor. But remember,
[24:29] Speaker 1: third of coalition voters, a third of coalition voters, a
[24:32] Speaker 1: third of coalition voters say they will never, never, never,
[24:34] Speaker 1: preference one nation. So can you believe? And hopefully the
[24:39] Speaker 1: good people are victorious smart enough to look through the scare.
[24:42] Speaker 1: But you know what the scares are going to be.
[24:44] Speaker 1: You know what the scares are going to do. The
[24:46] Speaker 1: scares are going to be all about one nation. And
[24:49] Speaker 1: if that is the way that Jessinta Allen is going
[24:51] Speaker 1: to be able to save herself And said Victoria on
[24:55] Speaker 1: another path towards wreck and ruin, one that not only
[24:59] Speaker 1: they actively later part in, but they actively played a
[25:01] Speaker 1: part in looking the other way. And then when they've
[25:03] Speaker 1: been caught, and court and court and court and court,
[25:06] Speaker 1: the best they can find is one line of sorry. Surely,
[25:12] Speaker 1: surely the people of Victoria will see through it. But
[25:16] Speaker 1: we'll all find out together. Currently, of course, the One
[25:18] Speaker 1: Nation number. I understand why it's working everywhere else around
[25:21] Speaker 1: the country, but without a leader, it is essentially none
[25:24] Speaker 1: of the above. At the moment, the Libs would be
[25:25] Speaker 1: hoping a lot of that chunk starts moving their way. However,
[25:28] Speaker 1: the further you get away from central Melbourne, the stronger
[25:31] Speaker 1: it gets for One Nation, particularly in and around western Melbourne. Apparently, now,
[25:37] Speaker 1: as you know, we always like to celebrate, and I
[25:40] Speaker 1: mean celebrate the idea that we are paying for politicians
[25:44] Speaker 1: and also paying for them to make bad social media videos,
[25:46] Speaker 1: some of them of course making bad social media videos
[25:49] Speaker 1: about the Midwinter Ball. But let me have a look
[25:53] Speaker 1: here at what you've got, because you don't just have
[25:55] Speaker 1: bad politicians, you've got bad stuff as making crap like
[25:58] Speaker 1: this and following on from last night it's rubbish. Here
[26:00] Speaker 1: is the Federal Health Minister. This is a cabinet minister. People,
[26:05] Speaker 1: did you know you're getting another tax cut? Pat Conroy
[26:10] Speaker 1: was preparing for the National Press Club today.
[26:15] Speaker 8: Preparation of the National Preess Club address, microphone check, lights check,
[26:21] Speaker 8: projector screen check, multiculturalism check, preparation of the National Preess
[26:26] Speaker 8: Club address, microphone check, lights check.
[26:32] Speaker 1: So good, it's worth playing twice right. He also in
[26:36] Speaker 1: that press club speech went on to say that Sir
[26:38] Speaker 1: Robert Menzies was a Nazi sympathizer. Wow. And final one
[26:44] Speaker 1: here too is another labor mp celebrating the first of July.
[26:56] Speaker 1: Is Victoria going to pass on a chance to get
[26:59] Speaker 1: rid of government that stinches as badly as this does.
[27:02] Speaker 1: We'll have a chat about it in a moment or
[27:04] Speaker 1: two time. Wow, what a week again, Thank you for
[27:08] Speaker 1: all the kind words about the docker. It'll be up
[27:09] Speaker 1: at skynews dot com dot au and on YouTube over
[27:12] Speaker 1: the weekend. Thank you so much for watching. They're all
[27:19] Speaker 1: in the main cave two Senator in future and you
[27:23] Speaker 1: so wil Senator. Great to be here.
[27:25] Speaker 9: We have to welcome you home from your globe trotting
[27:27] Speaker 9: tourd to force.
[27:29] Speaker 1: You enjoy that. It'll be running around the usage at
[27:32] Speaker 1: Bristol Motor Speedway. What a great joint that is.
[27:34] Speaker 7: It's great fireworks supermarket just down the road too. Where
[27:37] Speaker 7: we went up there. We unfortunately found out state laws
[27:39] Speaker 7: different for fireworks in America.
[27:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, United Fishwick anymore. Yeah, damn it, damn it. Yeah.
[27:45] Speaker 1: A few people ask me about that NASCAR experience. The
[27:48] Speaker 1: sound was like a Midian cicada's going around, and I
[27:51] Speaker 1: just yeah, it was amazing. All right, So let's not
[27:54] Speaker 1: put off this conversation any longer, Joe, Yes, just to Alan,
[27:58] Speaker 1: all right, so we know that if they're there are
[28:00] Speaker 1: walls that can close in, they must surely are closing
[28:03] Speaker 1: it on her right now. However, five months out Parliament,
[28:07] Speaker 1: no doubt goes on it's big winter break in Victoria,
[28:09] Speaker 1: the opportunity to do something, All of those moments change.
[28:13] Speaker 1: So there's a very deliberate strategy here, which was Sunday
[28:17] Speaker 1: was sixty minutes survive, survive, survive, survive, and then punch
[28:20] Speaker 1: out this opinion piece tonight where garbage garbage, garbage, one line.
[28:25] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, garbage, garbage, garbage, garbage. If it's a logical world,
[28:30] Speaker 1: she should go.
[28:30] Speaker 9: But what do you think is yeah, I think it
[28:34] Speaker 9: would be great if she did go. It'd be great
[28:35] Speaker 9: for the party, if Ben Carroll came in and took
[28:38] Speaker 9: her spot. I think the only thing protecting her is
[28:40] Speaker 9: that her leadership or the leadership is such a poison
[28:44] Speaker 9: chalice who would want it? And there is a proud
[28:46] Speaker 9: history in the Labour Party of leaders being forced to
[28:50] Speaker 9: frog marsh at gunpoint into the leadership even when they
[28:54] Speaker 9: don't themselves want to do it, So I think it
[28:56] Speaker 9: would be that kind of scenario. I think she's in
[28:59] Speaker 9: a hugehuge amount of trouble. I don't think I know
[29:01] Speaker 9: people were saying a few months ago, you know, Labor
[29:04] Speaker 9: could go back from this. I think the Libs have
[29:06] Speaker 9: got momentum now, despite the fact they're still trying to
[29:09] Speaker 9: tear themselves apart and FI shout out to Worradbie, what
[29:12] Speaker 9: are you doing? But also I think the fact that
[29:16] Speaker 9: this is coming from the nine Stable, the fact that
[29:18] Speaker 9: it's the age that is making these allegations and exposing
[29:23] Speaker 9: these links, that means the sort of ice stand with
[29:26] Speaker 9: Dan crowd can't afford to just sort of right off, Oh,
[29:29] Speaker 9: it's just a news court beat up by you know,
[29:31] Speaker 9: it's just you know, the right wing media having go
[29:33] Speaker 9: to it's Nick mackenzie and.
[29:35] Speaker 1: The television of it all really matters as well, right,
[29:37] Speaker 1: I mean, those sixty minutes.
[29:38] Speaker 9: It's also her running away from parliament and trying to
[29:41] Speaker 9: avoid quests. She just she has a besieged look about it.
[29:44] Speaker 10: A crossing the road, then going back, run.
[29:49] Speaker 1: Across the road. You're running to their wait for you. Okay, guys,
[29:54] Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about? Bang bang bang
[29:55] Speaker 1: boom bom boom boom. But again, Ross, it speaks to
[29:58] Speaker 1: a culture that is exis for too long. But I
[30:01] Speaker 1: also can't ignore here that there is a version of
[30:03] Speaker 1: the poll that we just had to look at before
[30:06] Speaker 1: that has labor in all trouble in the world. But
[30:08] Speaker 1: the greatest scare that might save their backside is being
[30:10] Speaker 1: able to point to one nation and currently the empty
[30:14] Speaker 1: seat that is everything it represents. That would be their
[30:18] Speaker 1: one last hope, wouldn't it? And I'm you don't think
[30:21] Speaker 1: it would be diabolical for them to get back. But
[30:23] Speaker 1: I can feel the scare coming from tonight, and.
[30:25] Speaker 10: I think it's other than you. She doesn't want to leave.
[30:28] Speaker 10: No one will take it.
[30:28] Speaker 7: I think it's a real thing that she wants to
[30:30] Speaker 7: stay there because there's the only way so many survive.
[30:33] Speaker 7: There's a real stink around what's happened and how it's happened.
[30:35] Speaker 7: That story that she urged other people or her officers,
[30:39] Speaker 7: other people to do a deal on thing. I think
[30:41] Speaker 7: there's people going to jail at the end of this
[30:43] Speaker 7: if they stay in power. I think it's the only
[30:45] Speaker 7: way they think they can get out of it. So
[30:47] Speaker 7: I think she'll ride this boat down as far as
[30:49] Speaker 7: it goes, hoping exactly as you say that the one
[30:52] Speaker 7: nation liberal fight keeps her in power for it.
[30:54] Speaker 1: And of course for the purposes of the lawyers watching
[30:56] Speaker 1: in the park around that is happening in the office.
[30:58] Speaker 1: We are making no suggestions about the premiere, of course,
[31:01] Speaker 1: in relation to this situation in terms of potential cabinality,
[31:05] Speaker 1: but obviously the political problem, it's pretty obvious where it
[31:07] Speaker 1: is right now. So Joe, obviously cockahoop, the Prime Minister
[31:11] Speaker 1: would be rather than you calling him, he'd be calling you.
[31:14] Speaker 1: What about these piles? We're gone from twenty eight to
[31:17] Speaker 1: like two points? Is everything? But then a whole bunch
[31:20] Speaker 1: of other poles come out and go maybe not. And
[31:22] Speaker 1: I love the breakdown in the Yuga poll. The Sky
[31:24] Speaker 1: News Poles working class number is hard, hard against the
[31:29] Speaker 1: penim at the moment from personally where it's like over
[31:32] Speaker 1: sixty percent dissatisfied with this leadership and wanting to not
[31:36] Speaker 1: vote for them in terms of the primary vote. You
[31:39] Speaker 1: can see right now twenty five versus thirty seven in
[31:42] Speaker 1: terms of one nation coalition at fifteen. Now, it's all
[31:46] Speaker 1: well and good for them to say, oh, look, you
[31:47] Speaker 1: know the commentary, it will save us, the mum amea
[31:51] Speaker 1: of it all will save us. But the truth is,
[31:54] Speaker 1: if the working class isn't going to back them, they
[31:56] Speaker 1: can't win.
[31:57] Speaker 9: The truth is that even if Labor does win without
[31:59] Speaker 9: the working class, it's not a party that I want
[32:02] Speaker 9: to support or can believe in. So so this is
[32:06] Speaker 9: this is my This is to me is the saddest
[32:08] Speaker 9: and most profound problem with what's happening. It's not as
[32:11] Speaker 9: big of an existential threat to labor as it is
[32:14] Speaker 9: to the coalition, which is yet to come up with Sorry,
[32:17] Speaker 9: well that is yet to come up with any credible path,
[32:20] Speaker 9: and I don't know what that path is either.
[32:22] Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, I.
[32:23] Speaker 9: Feel really feel for them. But if a labor if
[32:26] Speaker 9: the Labor Party is not the party of the worker,
[32:29] Speaker 9: then it cannot call itself the Labor party, as simple
[32:32] Speaker 9: as that. If they lose, if they lose, those blues
[32:35] Speaker 9: blue collar votes. Then they lose their soul and we
[32:39] Speaker 9: have to they have to find out why people are
[32:42] Speaker 9: going and I can tell you it's pretty obvious. It's
[32:44] Speaker 9: because when you sound like a bunch of anemic progressive
[32:47] Speaker 9: bureaucrats who are more concerned about Palestinian workers than Australian workers.
[32:52] Speaker 9: And there'll be some of that crap at the national conference,
[32:55] Speaker 9: in the state conference coming up the left looking idiotic
[32:57] Speaker 9: again and dragging the party down. Then the blue hollow
[33:00] Speaker 9: up base is going to say, will screw you, I'm
[33:03] Speaker 9: going to vote for one nation.
[33:04] Speaker 1: Even though their policies.
[33:06] Speaker 9: Will leave me worse off, because I no longer believe
[33:09] Speaker 9: and again it's a trust issue. I no longer believe
[33:11] Speaker 9: anything you tell me.
[33:12] Speaker 1: Well, and again, I try to tell you what's actually
[33:15] Speaker 1: going on. You know what I in terms of the
[33:18] Speaker 1: opinion ucually know what I want to happen with the world.
[33:20] Speaker 1: But I also tell you what is going on in
[33:21] Speaker 1: the world. And that's why that labor attack is always
[33:25] Speaker 1: about their voting record, the ACTU stuff. It's about to
[33:28] Speaker 1: try to hold as hard as they can those labor
[33:32] Speaker 1: curious people from going somewhere else. But again, Ross, I
[33:36] Speaker 1: mean you see it in the chamber, these people who
[33:39] Speaker 1: will have claimed to have had working class roots, and yes,
[33:42] Speaker 1: they may well have at some point in their bio,
[33:44] Speaker 1: at some point in their life day. We still have
[33:46] Speaker 1: family or friend connections. But they moved up in the
[33:49] Speaker 1: union movement, up in the Labor Party, and they sworn
[33:52] Speaker 1: about hardly like people who care about the working man
[33:55] Speaker 1: or woman.
[33:56] Speaker 7: Yeah, they're interested in their super funds, they're interested in
[33:58] Speaker 7: their delegate votes. They're not interested in their problems. And
[34:01] Speaker 7: that's where it's got. These people aren't leaving Labor Party.
[34:03] Speaker 7: Laid parties left them. Yes, that's what's going on there.
[34:06] Speaker 7: I mean, we're never there, we're on fifteen percent. We're
[34:08] Speaker 7: fighting with the Greens in the working class, I get that.
[34:10] Speaker 7: But what's going on is they finally understand that they've
[34:14] Speaker 7: been voting Labor all their lives and their plot's not
[34:16] Speaker 7: getting any better. But the other problem for us is
[34:18] Speaker 7: more people are identifying as working class because the middle
[34:21] Speaker 7: class is under such pressure now too. Now I think
[34:23] Speaker 7: they're well off. So it's not a problem that people
[34:26] Speaker 7: are leaving Labour Party. They're just realizing that lay parties
[34:29] Speaker 7: long left them. They're worried about all the things you're
[34:31] Speaker 7: talking about, and.
[34:33] Speaker 1: Well, remember I've charged you how many times the old
[34:35] Speaker 1: campaign button from the hawk here, which is put Australia first,
[34:38] Speaker 1: Australian Labour Party with the Australian flag. Right, those three
[34:42] Speaker 1: words are racists now the Australian flag racists now Labor Party.
[34:45] Speaker 1: Small font in the middle is the only thing left standing.
[34:47] Speaker 1: Right by the way, when I just mentioned the Mum
[34:50] Speaker 1: and mea thing, I am not going to war with
[34:51] Speaker 1: Muma Maya at all. I actually like me quite a lot.
[34:54] Speaker 1: I've appeared on their podcasts. The reason I'm going to
[34:57] Speaker 1: start talking a little more about them and their political
[35:00] Speaker 1: powers because they have the number one podcast in the country.
[35:02] Speaker 1: For all the conversation about podcasts and who has the
[35:05] Speaker 1: power of it, like for multiple elections, and we certainly
[35:08] Speaker 1: saw this in twenty twenty two. If people really want
[35:11] Speaker 1: to be paying attention to what's happening online, you've got
[35:13] Speaker 1: to pay attention to what's actually happening online. May have
[35:16] Speaker 1: been at the forefront of it for some time, all right.
[35:18] Speaker 1: Ross John Barrolaro, the former premier former Deputy Premier of
[35:22] Speaker 1: New South Wales, apparently now working for you part time
[35:26] Speaker 1: or otherwise.
[35:28] Speaker 10: Why Number one, because he's been through it.
[35:32] Speaker 7: You know, I worked well as a state director, he
[35:34] Speaker 7: was deputy Prime minister. It's one of the few guys
[35:36] Speaker 7: that can look me in and tell me when I'm
[35:38] Speaker 7: full of proverbial and bring.
[35:40] Speaker 10: It back down.
[35:41] Speaker 7: But also his networks, He's still got a lot of
[35:43] Speaker 7: people out there to talk to him that valued what
[35:45] Speaker 7: he did back in the day.
[35:47] Speaker 10: It comes with some baggage, I'm sure of it.
[35:48] Speaker 7: But you know the problem with us is we've been
[35:50] Speaker 7: talking about one nation, We've been talking about labor.
[35:52] Speaker 10: We have to improve ourselves and if.
[35:53] Speaker 7: I can't get someone doing that, telling me that I'm
[35:56] Speaker 7: not going to go anywhere.
[35:57] Speaker 10: And that's the real reason.
[35:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Joe. Does it speak to a problem
[36:03] Speaker 1: of modern politics right which anyone who's coming into Australian politics,
[36:06] Speaker 1: state or federal post two thousand and four, they don't
[36:09] Speaker 1: have that super scheme that everyone pre two thousand and four,
[36:12] Speaker 1: where essentially there has to be a life post politics.
[36:15] Speaker 1: And we see that with people like Matt Keane who
[36:17] Speaker 1: essentially use their time in office in order to become
[36:20] Speaker 1: highly identifiable with a certain sector, go off and work
[36:24] Speaker 1: in that sector. We've seen this in the defense industry
[36:26] Speaker 1: for a long period of time.
[36:29] Speaker 9: Those mean people keep trying to outlawer it on the
[36:32] Speaker 9: basis of rapid conflict of interest.
[36:34] Speaker 1: But the idea that somebody like I mean, it speaks
[36:37] Speaker 1: to his commitment to party that he's working for the
[36:40] Speaker 1: problem could be doing something else. But what does it
[36:42] Speaker 1: say to you about the post life of even a
[36:46] Speaker 1: deputy premiere of a state.
[36:48] Speaker 9: Yeah, I remember, I think it was Maranda Devine once
[36:50] Speaker 9: said we need to find a better use for our
[36:52] Speaker 9: former prime ministers, because all they do is just sort
[36:54] Speaker 9: of wander around, making trouble and trying to reinsert themselves.
[36:58] Speaker 9: We need to give them something to do with their hands.
[37:01] Speaker 9: John bl Look, I feel for the bloke. He's obviously
[37:04] Speaker 9: had his struggles, and I'm a big believer in second chances.
[37:08] Speaker 9: But it's fair to say that every time he gets
[37:10] Speaker 9: a second chance, he seems to get himself back in
[37:13] Speaker 9: it again. So he's a man who has been given
[37:18] Speaker 9: a lot of second chances. Remember he's going to blow
[37:19] Speaker 9: up the coalition and Gladys was the premier and the
[37:22] Speaker 9: koalas and then and then just just when he'd come
[37:28] Speaker 9: back and conquered his demons and everything. Suddenly he's engineered
[37:30] Speaker 9: this trade role for himself, which he then has to
[37:33] Speaker 9: give up after two weeks, not because he's legally forced to,
[37:36] Speaker 9: but because the opprobrium is just so huge.
[37:39] Speaker 1: So maybe maybe you could.
[37:41] Speaker 9: Be like the Berenstein Bears, where John Blaire I could
[37:43] Speaker 9: tell you what not to do. The only part of
[37:46] Speaker 9: that's right, that's how you learn, isn't it all right?
[37:48] Speaker 1: Last one here, and we want to talk about again
[37:51] Speaker 1: sort of perhaps back on the same theme about working
[37:53] Speaker 1: class voters that I think one of the responses to
[37:58] Speaker 1: the Trump administration is going to be a form of
[38:00] Speaker 1: left wing economic populism that comes out of the States.
[38:03] Speaker 1: Now we've seen in New York that happens with a Mendani.
[38:06] Speaker 1: We've seen the ideas that normally you wouldn't think quite square,
[38:11] Speaker 1: like universal basic income. All of these things start to
[38:14] Speaker 1: come back as the response to them a form of government. Now,
[38:19] Speaker 1: the Greens think that they're going to be able to
[38:21] Speaker 1: somehow be the slingshot to one nation. But I wanted
[38:24] Speaker 1: to talk to both of you about we haven't seen
[38:27] Speaker 1: it in the polls yet, but do you think there's
[38:29] Speaker 1: going to be a left wing economic populism that will
[38:32] Speaker 1: pop up sooner rather than later. I mean the Green's
[38:35] Speaker 1: often threatened it. They thought about it maybe in the
[38:37] Speaker 1: last election. But I think at some point we're going
[38:40] Speaker 1: to see it in Australia. I don't think it takes government,
[38:42] Speaker 1: but I think it's going to kick in.
[38:43] Speaker 9: Yeah, except if it worked, someone would have done it
[38:45] Speaker 9: by now. That's the thing, isn't it. And again this
[38:48] Speaker 9: is what it is. Another risk. But this is the
[38:51] Speaker 9: last thing I want to see. Labor embrace you do
[38:54] Speaker 9: the last thing you want. And Jim Chalmers said this one.
[38:57] Speaker 9: So the answer to right wing populism is not left
[38:59] Speaker 9: wing pops and it is certainly not economics based on
[39:03] Speaker 9: ideology and theory that is nutted out on university campuses
[39:07] Speaker 9: with no actual knowledge of people's genuine, real world concerns.
[39:12] Speaker 9: And that is what needs to be addressed. That is
[39:14] Speaker 9: why people are moving away from it. And I'll tell
[39:16] Speaker 9: you what if you want to know what sort of
[39:18] Speaker 9: ideologically driven you know, campus economist design policy looks like
[39:25] Speaker 9: it was the twoenty and twenty six budget that has
[39:27] Speaker 9: just been handed down, And look how well that's been
[39:31] Speaker 9: embraced by point by everybody, let alone the working class,
[39:34] Speaker 9: who for the first time after the budget and now
[39:37] Speaker 9: in two separate polls, are now voting for one nation
[39:41] Speaker 9: more than they are voting for labor. So that is
[39:43] Speaker 9: what ideological you know, the ideological sort of you know,
[39:47] Speaker 9: golden you know, golden dream of banning negative gearing and
[39:52] Speaker 9: see strategy discounts that people have been going on about
[39:55] Speaker 9: since forever. Okay, you've done it. How's it going?
[39:58] Speaker 1: Ross?
[39:59] Speaker 7: I just think if you look at new stats out today,
[40:01] Speaker 7: looking at the gross wealth of the states that voted
[40:03] Speaker 7: red and blue in America, seeing the gross wealth of
[40:06] Speaker 7: all the Democrat states dropped by billions, the gross wealth
[40:10] Speaker 7: of the Republican states got People can see they're very
[40:13] Speaker 7: popular in New York the now I've got a US
[40:15] Speaker 7: Intern at the moment, he says, the popularly is, but
[40:17] Speaker 7: the policies aren't working. You might get it for one term,
[40:19] Speaker 7: then you'll pay the.
[40:20] Speaker 1: PROFITCT winner or loser this week, who stands out for you?
[40:22] Speaker 9: Jure, I'd have to say John Barrelaro is the winner of.
[40:26] Speaker 1: Fair Enough, and I will while I.
[40:28] Speaker 9: Think obviously there's still a huge amount of support there.
[40:31] Speaker 9: I think paul En Hanson coming off a bit in
[40:33] Speaker 9: the news pole. I think that shows that they're probably peaked.
[40:36] Speaker 10: I'm biggest loser.
[40:37] Speaker 7: I didn't go to the Winter Ball last night, but
[40:39] Speaker 7: I made sure I was in the chamber and I
[40:41] Speaker 7: called Korum so they all had to come out of
[40:43] Speaker 7: their frocks in past seven had to come on in
[40:46] Speaker 7: and do that, and that's a great win.
[40:49] Speaker 1: I love that. By the way, shout out to your boy.
[40:52] Speaker 1: He's racing at Eastern Creek this weekend. Incident.
[40:54] Speaker 7: Yeah, the Pulsar series, the Upera Pulsar Series come out
[40:56] Speaker 7: at free entry at Eastern Creek.
[40:57] Speaker 1: Come on and have a lot of good stuff and
[40:58] Speaker 1: you can see a senator on this. Thank you boys.
[41:01] Speaker 1: Taking had a quick break back with more. A happy
[41:03] Speaker 1: way to end our weekend, that is to talk to
[41:05] Speaker 1: him mate, Colin Flynn will do that next. Colin Flynn,
[41:13] Speaker 1: he is Irish, but he worked in Rome for a while.
[41:17] Speaker 1: He's got a lot of time in the United States
[41:19] Speaker 1: and he appears on Australian television. So I'd like to
[41:21] Speaker 1: put it this way. Forget Carmen san Diego, but where
[41:24] Speaker 1: in the world is Colum Flynn right now? Colum? Where
[41:26] Speaker 1: are you? My friend?
[41:28] Speaker 11: Sky twenty four News News Nation News is ABC twenty
[41:34] Speaker 11: four News.
[41:35] Speaker 1: Pol News twenty four starts the twenty seventh of July
[41:40] Speaker 1: News twenty four.
[41:41] Speaker 11: Okay, I got to write that down, but I am
[41:44] Speaker 11: so excited. I am pumped, and I tell you I'm
[41:47] Speaker 11: in Washington, DC at the moment, and I've got a
[41:50] Speaker 11: wonderful story for you. This even Paul, because we know
[41:53] Speaker 11: that every evening on the program you bring Australia a
[41:57] Speaker 11: bunch of beer, Goslin thugs, common criminals, that we're going
[42:01] Speaker 11: to be honest about it. And so management at Sky
[42:04] Speaker 11: News soon to be News twenty four, they've asked me
[42:06] Speaker 11: culum brings some class back to proceedings. So tonight we're
[42:10] Speaker 11: bringing you a story of royalty the Habsburg Empire from
[42:14] Speaker 11: the thirteenth century. For almost six hundred years Perer this family.
[42:19] Speaker 11: Not only were they one of the most powerful and
[42:21] Speaker 11: influential families in Europe, but across the entire world. They
[42:24] Speaker 11: ruled Croatia, Austria, Hungary, parts of Italy and Germany, and
[42:29] Speaker 11: even their influence stretched into Latin America for a while.
[42:32] Speaker 11: This was a massive dynasty. Now the empire is gone,
[42:36] Speaker 11: of course, but there are still Habsburgs around today, and
[42:40] Speaker 11: in Europe where I'm from, when you meet them it
[42:43] Speaker 11: is like meeting royalty. That surname a Habsburg carries so
[42:46] Speaker 11: much weight. And recently I had the opportunity to sit
[42:49] Speaker 11: down one of the most famous Habsburgs alive today, direct
[42:52] Speaker 11: descendant of the Empire.
[42:55] Speaker 3: His name is Edward Habsburg.
[42:57] Speaker 11: He's from Hungary and for ten years, for a day decade,
[43:00] Speaker 11: he served as Hungary's ambassador to the Holy See, so
[43:04] Speaker 11: dealing as a diplomat with the Pope and with the Vatican,
[43:07] Speaker 11: sometimes in very turbulent times when they're policies, you know,
[43:10] Speaker 11: between the Vatican and the nation of Hungary.
[43:12] Speaker 3: They didn't see e to y. But he's a fascinating man.
[43:15] Speaker 11: He's a gentleman, and he really carries that class of
[43:18] Speaker 11: being a Habsburg. And we talked about many things in
[43:20] Speaker 11: the interview Paul, but one thing he mentioned to me
[43:23] Speaker 11: was that even though again the Empire is gone, he said,
[43:26] Speaker 11: growing up as a Habsburg, it was like you had
[43:28] Speaker 11: a spotlight shining on you everywhere you walked. And so
[43:32] Speaker 11: I asked him, first of all, what did he mean
[43:34] Speaker 11: by this?
[43:36] Speaker 1: When you were born a Habsburg and you grow up.
[43:39] Speaker 12: A habsburg An identity is offered to you, already made identity.
[43:44] Speaker 12: You have to think whether you want to accept it.
[43:46] Speaker 12: People have certain expectations. They expect the Habsburg to be
[43:50] Speaker 12: somehow different, to stand by certain principles, to behave to
[43:54] Speaker 12: address well, to be Catholic, to marry and have lots
[43:59] Speaker 12: of children, all of these things, and also to believe
[44:01] Speaker 12: in monarchy, and all of this whole package is handed
[44:04] Speaker 12: to you.
[44:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful. He said that.
[44:08] Speaker 11: You know, some members of the family choose to accept it,
[44:11] Speaker 11: others choose not to. He said, it's easier when you
[44:14] Speaker 11: choose to accept it and you take on that Habsburg identity.
[44:17] Speaker 11: But you know what, Paul, one of the most beautiful things,
[44:19] Speaker 11: and I think the most beautiful thing about this story
[44:22] Speaker 11: is that even though they ruled for six centuries across
[44:26] Speaker 11: all of Europe, again that power, that influence shaping not
[44:30] Speaker 11: just European history, but world history, they were also defined
[44:33] Speaker 11: by their faith and by their Catholicism. And they had
[44:36] Speaker 11: a beautiful ritual in the family that when one of
[44:38] Speaker 11: the kings or one of the emperors would die, they
[44:41] Speaker 11: were buried in a crypt which is underneath Vienna in Austria,
[44:45] Speaker 11: and you have to go down these steps. But when
[44:47] Speaker 11: the coffin was brought to the door with the king
[44:50] Speaker 11: or the Emperor, and all the crowds were there, the
[44:52] Speaker 11: doors were locked, they were shut, and it was called
[44:54] Speaker 11: a knocking ritual. They would have to knock, and as
[44:57] Speaker 11: the crowd watched on, a small monk would answer behind.
[45:01] Speaker 11: And here's what happened during the knocking ritual. It's beautiful.
[45:05] Speaker 12: When the emperor's coffin is being brought to the door
[45:08] Speaker 12: of that stare, the master of ceremonies knocks three times
[45:12] Speaker 12: at the door, and the voice from inside is who
[45:15] Speaker 12: is there? And the master of ceremony says Franz Joseph,
[45:19] Speaker 12: Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary, King of Croatia, and
[45:22] Speaker 12: then rattles down all the twenty seven titles that we have,
[45:26] Speaker 12: and the voice of the monk from inside says.
[45:28] Speaker 1: We don't know him.
[45:30] Speaker 12: And then he knocks again. He says who is there?
[45:35] Speaker 12: And then he lists all the achievements of the emperor,
[45:38] Speaker 12: which peace treaties he made, which was he won, how
[45:41] Speaker 12: often he was married, all of these things, and again
[45:44] Speaker 12: the voices we don't know him. And then he knocks
[45:47] Speaker 12: a third time, and the voice says, who is there?
[45:50] Speaker 12: And the master of Himine sees Franz Joseph, a poor sinner,
[45:54] Speaker 12: and then the door opens. I think that's beautiful, not
[45:58] Speaker 12: just in itself, but so as a gesture. The Abspook
[46:02] Speaker 12: emperors wanted even their death and funeral to be an
[46:06] Speaker 12: encouragement and a sermon and to show people with what
[46:09] Speaker 12: attitude you should walk towards death.
[46:14] Speaker 11: Isn't that beautiful that, no matter your fancy title or
[46:16] Speaker 11: the wars you won, or the empire you had, that,
[46:19] Speaker 11: when it comes down to it, you and I were
[46:21] Speaker 11: just the same and we're all going out the same
[46:23] Speaker 11: way we came in. So, Paul, it's a beautiful story
[46:25] Speaker 11: of humility and just a lovely ritual that I think
[46:29] Speaker 11: hasn't happened for a number of I think a century
[46:32] Speaker 11: or so, but lovely to relive that memory with him.
[46:35] Speaker 1: Now. The World Cup is happening, of course, in and
[46:37] Speaker 1: around you right now, all over everywhere. Great to see
[46:41] Speaker 1: football fans going nuts. How are you feeling about it?
[46:45] Speaker 1: Considering that you know the Irish and not at the
[46:48] Speaker 1: center of it.
[46:50] Speaker 11: I was about to say, I'm hoping Ireland will win
[46:53] Speaker 11: this year in my fantasy land that I live in,
[46:56] Speaker 11: but no, we have no hope. You know what the
[46:59] Speaker 11: beautiful thing about it is. I was in New York
[47:01] Speaker 11: last week or two weeks ago when we were chatting
[47:03] Speaker 11: and I went up to God and pizza. By the way,
[47:05] Speaker 11: your pizza suggestion, beautiful slice. Yes, thank you for that.
[47:09] Speaker 11: But it was great to see all the crowds around
[47:11] Speaker 11: the Brazilians, a lot of Scottish football fans into the
[47:14] Speaker 11: atmosphere has been electric here and you know what the
[47:16] Speaker 11: thing is, a lot of people have been saying that
[47:19] Speaker 11: it's changing their perceptions of America. You know, sometimes people
[47:22] Speaker 11: on the other side of the pond. I think Americans
[47:24] Speaker 11: can be rooted and not just some very loud and
[47:26] Speaker 11: fake have a good day, have a nice day. But
[47:28] Speaker 11: a lot of people have been speaking to they've been
[47:30] Speaker 11: saying that they're actually finding the Americans really friendly and
[47:33] Speaker 11: really genuine and that's been one of the big surprises.
[47:35] Speaker 3: So it's been beautiful to be here in the middle
[47:37] Speaker 3: of it all.
[47:38] Speaker 1: Good on your column. They absolutely are as I uh
[47:41] Speaker 1: and every week. Thank you very much, mate, do appreciate it.
[47:44] Speaker 1: Colin Flint joins us at the end of each and
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[48:45] Speaker 1: last night. It was a big, big event for us.
[48:47] Speaker 1: I do appreciate it all right. That again is the
[48:49] Speaker 1: show as I say, go, Tigers, Go Yankees. Thank you
[48:52] Speaker 1: to James who's the best uba driver in the world
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