# Paul Murray Live | 18 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 18 Nov 2025, 49 min.

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CBA chief calls for slashing migration to fix housing, bank bosses face tough grilling in Canberra. Plus, Anthony Albanese sidesteps questions on Brittany Higgins cover-up. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank
[0:06] Speaker 1: you Sharry, wonderful as always, come on into the man cave.
[0:09] Speaker 1: Lots of work to do tonight. Thank you so much
[0:11] Speaker 1: for watching. You know I send me an email Pauloskynews
[0:14] Speaker 1: dot com dot au tonight. The lady Who's party is
[0:18] Speaker 1: now twice as popular as the Greens Pauline Hansen. Big
[0:22] Speaker 1: chat coming up in a moment or two time here
[0:24] Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Live. Yes, we will talk about the
[0:27] Speaker 1: new Victorian Liberal leader. But I'll already show you how
[0:31] Speaker 1: the triangle of dependence where you either work for the government,
[0:35] Speaker 1: you've got your hand out of the government, or they're
[0:36] Speaker 1: your biggest clients, is already being played as the card
[0:39] Speaker 1: of how to make sure the labor stays in power.
[0:43] Speaker 1: But first let's get to Canberra, where today all of
[0:46] Speaker 1: the bank CEOs were called before a parliamentary committee for
[0:50] Speaker 1: a good finger wavering well. Unsurprisingly they all had an
[0:55] Speaker 1: opinion about interest rates, But surprisingly there was someone will
[1:00] Speaker 1: to talk about mass migration, someone willing to talk about
[1:03] Speaker 1: the issue that we have talked about for years that
[1:05] Speaker 1: we are told relentlessly we are not allowed to have
[1:08] Speaker 1: a public opinion on and that is whether Australia has
[1:11] Speaker 1: got enough in structure for the hundreds of thousands of
[1:14] Speaker 1: extra people each and every year that the current and
[1:17] Speaker 1: all governments bring in. Enter the Boss of the Commonwealth Bank,
[1:24] Speaker 1: The Commonwealth Bank Boss wants a major cut to migration
[1:27] Speaker 1: levels amid how the housing affordability mac common giving evidence
[1:31] Speaker 1: today at this Parliamentary committee. Well, how good is this?
[1:37] Speaker 2: Perhaps that number is something in the order of one
[1:39] Speaker 2: hundred and eighty thousand per adam gives both the Commonwealth
[1:42] Speaker 2: and state's the ability to plan for critical infrastructure, including housing.
[1:46] Speaker 1: Now it was a personal opinion, but still this is
[1:49] Speaker 1: somebody outside of the political realm, a person with their
[1:52] Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of Australia, somebody who is obviously
[1:57] Speaker 1: the beneficiary of his financial institution, having an awful lot
[2:01] Speaker 1: of people that are trying to pay off a home.
[2:03] Speaker 1: You would think that his automatic position would be more
[2:06] Speaker 1: people means more customers, More customers means potentially more profit. No,
[2:11] Speaker 1: he can see because he sees all from what we
[2:14] Speaker 1: are tapping going on our phones all the way through
[2:17] Speaker 1: to the difficulties inside the housing market, and his view
[2:21] Speaker 1: is united with those of us who have said for
[2:23] Speaker 1: a long time, the number is the problem. Now there
[2:27] Speaker 1: are other people that will want to talk about all
[2:29] Speaker 1: other issues when it comes to migration. On this show,
[2:31] Speaker 1: every time, it's about the number. It's about the idea
[2:35] Speaker 1: that right now, in every single state and capital city,
[2:40] Speaker 1: there is a problem. If you call triple O that
[2:42] Speaker 1: an ambulance may or may not turn up quickly, and
[2:45] Speaker 1: if it does, it's more likely that, unless you are
[2:48] Speaker 1: in a life threatening situation, you'll be sitting in the
[2:50] Speaker 1: back of that ambulance for a lot longer than is comfortable,
[2:53] Speaker 1: more likely to end up being into a few hours time.
[2:56] Speaker 1: Why because of a room inside the hospitals. Why because
[2:59] Speaker 1: we haven't be ones that are big enough. If you
[3:02] Speaker 1: get up early in the morning, you kiss the kids
[3:05] Speaker 1: on the way out, and then you sit and squint
[3:06] Speaker 1: your way on a motorway or tollway or freeway or
[3:11] Speaker 1: rap run to get your way to work, to then
[3:14] Speaker 1: come home later than you ever had before, to yet again,
[3:17] Speaker 1: only have an interaction with your kids or grandkids that's
[3:19] Speaker 1: kissing them on the cheek as they go to bed.
[3:22] Speaker 1: Quality time is out the window. Why because the infrastructure
[3:25] Speaker 1: does not exist that matches the surges in Australian population
[3:30] Speaker 1: thirty years ago, eighteen minion today, twenty seven minion into
[3:33] Speaker 1: the future again thirty years from now best part of
[3:37] Speaker 1: forty to forty five million people. Again Matt Common talking
[3:43] Speaker 1: about the issue, particularly when it comes to issues when
[3:47] Speaker 1: it comes to housing that put simply, maybe there could
[3:49] Speaker 1: be a link between the number of homes that are
[3:51] Speaker 1: available and thus the number of people that you add
[3:54] Speaker 1: to the queue of those that are bidding for those houses.
[3:59] Speaker 2: You need a lot of coordination between the federal and
[4:02] Speaker 2: the state level. I think the sort of availability of labor,
[4:05] Speaker 2: of skilled labor in and around multiple sectors, including this one,
[4:09] Speaker 2: is challenged.
[4:10] Speaker 1: Now. The next task for the Liberal Party about the
[4:12] Speaker 1: issues that they need to go through before Christmas to
[4:15] Speaker 1: work out how they begin the fight in twenty twenty six, Well,
[4:20] Speaker 1: again we turn to the Financial Review, who seem to
[4:21] Speaker 1: have a bit of an inside word on what the
[4:23] Speaker 1: plan is. The Coalution is looking at reducing Australia's annual
[4:27] Speaker 1: net migration intake, but at least has this one hundred
[4:30] Speaker 1: thousand people, so currently it's pushing, you know, in the
[4:34] Speaker 1: high two hundreds. They want to push it down by
[4:36] Speaker 1: one hundred Susan Lee seeks to plicate the Liberal Party's
[4:41] Speaker 1: restive right faction, who, of course are in a battle
[4:44] Speaker 1: right now with one nation. As I told you last night,
[4:46] Speaker 1: I don't think those that have flipped one nation are
[4:48] Speaker 1: going to be flipping back anytime soon, because the more
[4:51] Speaker 1: time they spend being people who what a poll for
[4:55] Speaker 1: one nation, they'll learn about one nation and it's a
[4:57] Speaker 1: whole lot more than just immigration. The coalution will position
[5:01] Speaker 1: the cut as a way to ease the pressure on housing, infrastructure,
[5:04] Speaker 1: schools and healthcare, otherwise known as the Murray mix. There
[5:08] Speaker 1: I say that we've been talking about here at some
[5:10] Speaker 1: pole shows that a majority of Australians think immigration is
[5:13] Speaker 1: too high. Some poles? What about the one from New
[5:16] Speaker 1: South Wales that turned up in the Channel nine newspapers
[5:18] Speaker 1: from the Resolved Political Monitor, fifty eight percent of people,
[5:22] Speaker 1: when asked Australia currently has a net migration in take
[5:26] Speaker 1: a three hundred and sixteen thousand many settle in Sydney,
[5:30] Speaker 1: Australia's largest city. Do you personally think this current level
[5:34] Speaker 1: is red too high? Green Ja Straight or Goldielocks too low?
[5:40] Speaker 1: Who are the five percent? Goodness? Probably people who work
[5:44] Speaker 1: for Treasury because they think more people equals more taxpayers.
[5:47] Speaker 1: More taxpayers means more money they can peddle against the wall.
[5:50] Speaker 1: Continuing back with the financial review and where the Liberal
[5:53] Speaker 1: Party is when it comes to migration, Sources formiliar with
[5:56] Speaker 1: the coalition's discussions said the new migration policy would focus
[6:00] Speaker 1: on reducing net oversees migration potentially to below two hundred thousand,
[6:05] Speaker 1: so currently three hundred and sixteen thousand. Hence why pushing
[6:08] Speaker 1: it under two hundred thousand? Massive foreign students, non skilled workers,
[6:12] Speaker 1: humanitarian intake all to be the potential targets. There's a
[6:17] Speaker 1: whole long quote here I can show you from the
[6:19] Speaker 1: part of the shadow immigrations people, but I leave that
[6:22] Speaker 1: put simply. It is about housing, it is about health,
[6:25] Speaker 1: it is about infrastructure. Meantime, the other side of the argument,
[6:30] Speaker 1: why do we always end up with people in power
[6:33] Speaker 1: always choosing more people open up the floodgates, bigger Australia,
[6:36] Speaker 1: bigger Australia. Well, a perfect example of that is currently
[6:39] Speaker 1: playing out when it comes to Queensland, my favorite state
[6:44] Speaker 1: in all of the country, the one that, as you know,
[6:46] Speaker 1: if I could have blood transfusions to become a maroon.
[6:49] Speaker 1: A Maron, I would age care demand is set to
[6:53] Speaker 1: search by sixty percent. Let me explain. Demographic shifts across
[6:57] Speaker 1: the state are expected to trigger a project twenty four
[7:01] Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four increase in the number of aged
[7:05] Speaker 1: care beds that are needed to be delivered by the
[7:07] Speaker 1: federal government by twenty thirty six thirty seven. The lift
[7:10] Speaker 1: represents an additional five percent compound increase in the number
[7:15] Speaker 1: of places annually over the coming years. What does this mean?
[7:18] Speaker 1: Currently the amount of age care facilities agecare beds in
[7:21] Speaker 1: Queensland forty four thousand, on its way up to seventy
[7:24] Speaker 1: one thousand. Why do I mention this in immigration because
[7:29] Speaker 1: here's how the Ponzi scheme works. This is the perfect
[7:32] Speaker 1: example of how the Ponzi scheme works. Now, of course,
[7:36] Speaker 1: previous people that have been born or brought into the country,
[7:39] Speaker 1: guess what, they get to a certain point where they
[7:40] Speaker 1: need age care. That of course also means they are
[7:44] Speaker 1: put in quite rightfully, what is their right, which is
[7:48] Speaker 1: to access medicare for more significant medical interventions, But guess
[7:52] Speaker 1: what it has to be paid for. So unless there
[7:55] Speaker 1: is about to be a giant surgeon, the number of
[7:57] Speaker 1: people that are having babies. Guess what's even better than
[7:59] Speaker 1: an Australian born baby in terms of the government, it's
[8:03] Speaker 1: a fully fledged adult who is able to enter the country,
[8:06] Speaker 1: become a citizen and then start paying tax. Why because
[8:11] Speaker 1: the amount of people that you have to pay for
[8:13] Speaker 1: as a result of the immigration decisions of twenty years
[8:16] Speaker 1: ago means the tax base has to get bigger and
[8:20] Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger to pay for the previous
[8:23] Speaker 1: generation of bigger and bigger and bigger. That's why we
[8:25] Speaker 1: like to call it the Ponzi scheme, because just like
[8:30] Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme requires you to fool two mates to
[8:35] Speaker 1: be able to make up to pay for your part
[8:37] Speaker 1: in the Ponzi scheme, that is exactly what it takes
[8:40] Speaker 1: when it comes to government than in order for whoever
[8:44] Speaker 1: is the current voter, where you need at least to
[8:46] Speaker 1: at least one to replace most likely two to be
[8:49] Speaker 1: able to pay and pay and pay. In two and
[8:51] Speaker 1: four and six and eight and ten, you get the point.
[8:54] Speaker 1: Good to see today what was being said specifically by
[8:57] Speaker 1: Matt Common, the CEO of the Commonwealth Bank, but also
[9:00] Speaker 1: an example about why governments are obsessed with more people
[9:04] Speaker 1: coming in by the day. Still on this, Can we
[9:06] Speaker 1: talk about homes and home loans for a second, because again,
[9:10] Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank is worth talking about here, because despite
[9:13] Speaker 1: the fact that the Treasurer of Australia lied to everyone
[9:16] Speaker 1: during the election that, oh, despite the fact there's been
[9:18] Speaker 1: one or two, there'll be three, four or five interest
[9:20] Speaker 1: rate cuts, they'll all keep coming. Well we all know
[9:23] Speaker 1: that was garbage. Why because the Reserve Bank was being
[9:26] Speaker 1: tricked as to how low the inflation rate was. Why
[9:28] Speaker 1: because they were directly handing billions of dollars in taxpayers
[9:31] Speaker 1: money to power companies, so the bill you paid at
[9:35] Speaker 1: home didn't go up by as much as it should
[9:36] Speaker 1: have because of their own stupid policies. Well, today, again,
[9:40] Speaker 1: in that bank briefing in camera, the bosses of major
[9:44] Speaker 1: banks were asked a pretty simple question, your view on
[9:46] Speaker 1: where we're going to go with interest rates in the
[9:48] Speaker 1: next day twelve months? Commonwealth Bank, our economics teams FORCUS
[9:53] Speaker 1: the cash rate remains on hold for the foreseeable future
[9:56] Speaker 1: put simply no rate cut next year. Westpac and our
[10:00] Speaker 1: official forecast is that there will likely be two rate
[10:03] Speaker 1: cuts next year. They think it'll be May and August
[10:07] Speaker 1: hope that's the case, but there are plenty of other
[10:09] Speaker 1: banks who believe it's somewhere in between. Where we're talking
[10:12] Speaker 1: about the in between of two or zero means one.
[10:16] Speaker 1: Maybe the Prime Minister has been in Western Australia today.
[10:21] Speaker 1: He held a cabinet meeting in and around Perth. This
[10:25] Speaker 1: was of course great expense of the taxpayer, but who
[10:28] Speaker 1: cares other people's money. They all decided to well get
[10:31] Speaker 1: their own versions of Toto one to fly over there
[10:34] Speaker 1: to pretend that they are running the country remotely from
[10:37] Speaker 1: Western Australia. But there was something that went through to
[10:41] Speaker 1: the keeper last night that I know some of my
[10:43] Speaker 1: mates have already talked about here, but I want to
[10:45] Speaker 1: put a bit of an underline here about just how
[10:47] Speaker 1: nasty and just how cocky the Prime Minister is. I
[10:50] Speaker 1: was a Hawks fan this month, is he now? He
[10:53] Speaker 1: was asked this question in relation to the long and
[10:56] Speaker 1: winding road to do with things like Preney Higgins, Linda Reynolds,
[11:02] Speaker 1: whether there was a great cover up of matters that
[11:05] Speaker 1: we all have talked too much about over the past
[11:07] Speaker 1: couple of years. But of course we all remember the
[11:09] Speaker 1: real political campaign was about pretending it was a Liberal
[11:12] Speaker 1: Party female problem. Now this was a question that was
[11:16] Speaker 1: asked on the behalf of somebody on the other side
[11:19] Speaker 1: of the country, but it was a question asked in
[11:21] Speaker 1: Western Australia by somebody from the Australian newspaper.
[11:27] Speaker 3: The Federal Court judge and their Western Australian Supreme Court
[11:30] Speaker 3: Judge found plays favorite inhigans of the political cover art
[11:34] Speaker 3: of an alage rat who not just pussly dishonest Linda
[11:37] Speaker 3: Reynolds and Fiona Brown were while we infused by your
[11:40] Speaker 3: own ministers do heady Land. Peter Gallagher overth with an
[11:44] Speaker 3: apology for their cdical role intemplating an alleged rat, which
[11:48] Speaker 3: the whole story of political cover art that has damaged
[11:51] Speaker 3: so many people as host.
[11:52] Speaker 4: To cover engeans.
[11:54] Speaker 1: Sorry he was in Melbourne why you can obviously see
[11:56] Speaker 1: the Victorian Premier behind him. He is in Perth tonight
[11:59] Speaker 1: though now the question detail all right, And often I
[12:04] Speaker 1: will tip you off to something here when the only
[12:07] Speaker 1: opportunity to ask a significant person a question is wherever
[12:11] Speaker 1: they decide to turn up around the country. Yes, occasionally
[12:14] Speaker 1: news organizations and I have seen this both as report
[12:18] Speaker 1: and an observer. Of press conferences every single media organization,
[12:22] Speaker 1: from the most sanctimonious over at Channel two to the
[12:27] Speaker 1: beggingist over there at the turnbul times. They will which
[12:31] Speaker 1: is somebody who's working in the Canberra Bureau will ask
[12:34] Speaker 1: somebody who's in Melbourne going to the Prime minister's press conference, Hey,
[12:37] Speaker 1: can you ask this question for me? Because I want
[12:38] Speaker 1: to get what their answer is. Now, two judges in
[12:42] Speaker 1: two separate states, in two separate cases, have effectively said
[12:47] Speaker 1: that the idea of political cover ups all in and
[12:50] Speaker 1: around the Morrison government, all in and around the much
[12:54] Speaker 1: discussed events inside the defensive Minister's office all those years ago,
[12:59] Speaker 1: will has been proven not to be true. Now. In fact,
[13:03] Speaker 1: two judges very clear in these comments. So the Australian
[13:07] Speaker 1: has been doing some work on that. They asked that question.
[13:09] Speaker 1: Watch the reaction of a very cocky prime minister who
[13:13] Speaker 1: just dismisses a person doing their job. This is low
[13:17] Speaker 1: but unsurprising from a bloke thinks he can do no wrong.
[13:21] Speaker 5: Well, thank you for reading that question. A judge found
[13:29] Speaker 5: the issue on Britney Higgins are very different from the
[13:32] Speaker 5: way that you characterize it.
[13:34] Speaker 1: Now that's just not true. Now the reality is is
[13:38] Speaker 1: that any time anyone goes anywhere any of these names,
[13:42] Speaker 1: any of these words, and there's whole bunch of lawyers
[13:43] Speaker 1: that will come running and a whole bunch of people
[13:45] Speaker 1: with puckered backsides at the mere conversation of this issue.
[13:49] Speaker 1: But the one thing that has been very very clear,
[13:51] Speaker 1: particularly in the Reynolds case, is the concept of the
[13:54] Speaker 1: political cover up, the attempt of silence. Shounk gone not
[13:58] Speaker 1: part of the game. Yes, there have been other comments
[14:02] Speaker 1: around other parts of this that have been said by
[14:04] Speaker 1: other judges. I dance because I don't want to go
[14:08] Speaker 1: and get dragged into a process. But I want you
[14:10] Speaker 1: to know that what the Prime Minister just dismisses firstly
[14:14] Speaker 1: as thanks for reading that question, is a smart ass tactic.
[14:18] Speaker 1: It's one to bully the reporter and to send a
[14:21] Speaker 1: message to the rest of the media. If you do that,
[14:23] Speaker 1: I'll bully you too. Now, this could be considered very
[14:27] Speaker 1: effective because the story is generally not reported by anyone
[14:31] Speaker 1: other than the person who is reading the question. But
[14:33] Speaker 1: I repeat with my own eyes, I have seen and
[14:38] Speaker 1: I saw it during an election campaign, questions being read
[14:42] Speaker 1: from phones that may well have been the wordings that
[14:45] Speaker 1: have come from Head Office. But the Prime Minister again,
[14:50] Speaker 1: as I tell you, and as the Australian newspaper has
[14:54] Speaker 1: pointed out in chapter and verse, I will save you
[14:56] Speaker 1: the illegal argument. Two judges, two cases, both on either
[15:03] Speaker 1: side of the country, come to the conclusion that the
[15:05] Speaker 1: political cover up that was much the discussion of the
[15:08] Speaker 1: mean girls, much the discussion and beforing and carrying on
[15:12] Speaker 1: and sanctimonious huffing of the now Finance Minister and the
[15:17] Speaker 1: our Foreign Affairs Minister in Senators Wong and Gallagher, was garbage.
[15:22] Speaker 1: It was all of course weaponized, and we all know
[15:25] Speaker 1: despite the lies told of the Senate about the heads
[15:27] Speaker 1: up that was being given to particular Senator Gallagher, we
[15:31] Speaker 1: know all of this. But the Prime Minister also knows
[15:34] Speaker 1: that if he can just pretend he was asked a
[15:36] Speaker 1: completely different question than the one he was asked, and
[15:38] Speaker 1: he can hang shit on the person who was asking
[15:40] Speaker 1: the question because it is the one he did not
[15:42] Speaker 1: want to answer, then he can behave like this question
[15:46] Speaker 1: and answer and remember he knows or doesn't want to know,
[15:54] Speaker 1: that exactly the opposite is what should have been his answer.
[16:00] Speaker 3: And their Western Australian Supreme court judge found playing favorite
[16:03] Speaker 3: in Higgins and the political cover of an alleged rate
[16:06] Speaker 3: who not just pulsed dishonest Linda Reynolds and Fiona Brown
[16:10] Speaker 3: were while we infused by your own ministers do heady
[16:14] Speaker 3: l and Peter Gallagher over Otho with an apology for
[16:17] Speaker 3: their fantal role in templating an alleged rape. This is
[16:20] Speaker 3: a whole story of political cover up that has damaged
[16:23] Speaker 3: so many people as host to cover Indians.
[16:26] Speaker 5: Well, thank you for reading that question. A judge found
[16:33] Speaker 5: the issue on Brittany Higgins are very different from the
[16:37] Speaker 5: way that your character as.
[16:38] Speaker 1: It complete Again, keep reading the Australian newspaper, keep reading
[16:44] Speaker 1: the summations at skynews dot com dot a you because
[16:46] Speaker 1: we all know the rest of the media got the
[16:48] Speaker 1: result they wanted. They black eyed and they blew away
[16:52] Speaker 1: a government that they didn't like, one that of course
[16:54] Speaker 1: won an election they weren't allowed to win according to
[16:56] Speaker 1: them back in twenty nineteen. This is noting to do
[17:00] Speaker 1: with the central events. It is all to do with
[17:02] Speaker 1: the politicization and the games that were played around it.
[17:06] Speaker 1: Two courts, two judgments of the same and what a
[17:10] Speaker 1: disgrace from the Prime Minister to belittle somebody who was
[17:14] Speaker 1: yes asking a question potentially on somebody else's behalf. But
[17:17] Speaker 1: I repeat, I have seen it, and now we're going
[17:19] Speaker 1: to start to play this game. Let's watch the Prime
[17:21] Speaker 1: Minister from now on in all of his press conferences,
[17:25] Speaker 1: whether he points out whether the person from the ABC
[17:28] Speaker 1: is reading a question for somebody else, what do you reckon?
[17:31] Speaker 1: The chances are now I do burst the bubble of politicians,
[17:36] Speaker 1: but they're not as famous as they think we are.
[17:38] Speaker 1: As that they think they are not a Freudian slip.
[17:43] Speaker 1: But for all of us that are anywhere near the
[17:45] Speaker 1: political world, the reality is there's a huge chunk of
[17:47] Speaker 1: Australians wouldn't care less. There's other stuff to talk about,
[17:50] Speaker 1: there's other things that are on. They're not as pumped
[17:52] Speaker 1: up about it, but we know there's quite a strut
[17:55] Speaker 1: that these polies have thinking that every single person knows
[17:57] Speaker 1: about them whenever they go to Canberra. They are the
[18:00] Speaker 1: best of the best. They are the rock stars. And
[18:03] Speaker 1: I remember a poll a couple of years ago that
[18:05] Speaker 1: I did smirk at. When I'll mate Jim Charmers used
[18:09] Speaker 1: to get a little bit loose, but Obviously nobody followed
[18:11] Speaker 1: up on what that meant that, despite the fact that
[18:14] Speaker 1: he was the Treasurer of the country, sixty seven percent
[18:17] Speaker 1: of people in Australia could not name the Treasurer. It
[18:20] Speaker 1: was early in the day, but still I loved it.
[18:22] Speaker 1: The idea that only a third could name him in
[18:24] Speaker 1: two thirds couldn't a little reminder about how big they are.
[18:28] Speaker 1: They are very small at times. Another reminder to Australian politicians,
[18:34] Speaker 1: including this time on the liberal side of things, where
[18:37] Speaker 1: in the Redbridge polling and mate Cos Samaras turning up
[18:40] Speaker 1: in the Financial Review, interpreted in part by again our
[18:43] Speaker 1: friend Philip Curry. People love when I say all of this,
[18:46] Speaker 1: but I'll do it anyway. A little reminder here that
[18:49] Speaker 1: if either of these blokes thinks that they are the
[18:52] Speaker 1: automatic future for the opposition, automatically the person who can
[18:56] Speaker 1: become the alternative prime minister, they might want to raise
[18:58] Speaker 1: the profile. Apparently thirty seven percent of people have never
[19:02] Speaker 1: heard of Andrew Hasty. Now you and I have you,
[19:05] Speaker 1: and I love him, and I hope one day he's
[19:06] Speaker 1: the Prime minister. Don't confuse some of my stuff that
[19:09] Speaker 1: I've said over the past few months as somebody who's
[19:11] Speaker 1: not into him being a leader, the same as Angus
[19:14] Speaker 1: Taylor or the same as Susan Lee. But here's the reality.
[19:17] Speaker 1: When you've got about a third of the country who
[19:19] Speaker 1: have never heard of you, yet one hundred percent of
[19:22] Speaker 1: it has to vote, kind of matters. Hence why the
[19:25] Speaker 1: long year around, the more they know. Hence why Susan
[19:27] Speaker 1: Lee has been around for more than twenty twenty five
[19:29] Speaker 1: years in Australian politics. People know who she is. We
[19:32] Speaker 1: also know where the polls currently are, but still important
[19:35] Speaker 1: to know, which is why so much of the time
[19:38] Speaker 1: that I have spent on the air with you, I
[19:40] Speaker 1: talk about how the media plays the game. Now this
[19:44] Speaker 1: has resulted in and fewer friends from the olden years
[19:50] Speaker 1: of my life. It results in many a sneer and
[19:54] Speaker 1: an eye roll should I go anywhere near the approved
[19:57] Speaker 1: media in Australia. But the reality is is is that
[20:02] Speaker 1: for many people they end up being the gatekeeper. Therefore,
[20:06] Speaker 1: because these are the people who write the articles, talk
[20:08] Speaker 1: on the radio, bang out the thing for the online,
[20:11] Speaker 1: or of course make the six pm news, many people's
[20:14] Speaker 1: perceptions of politicians is read through the lens of that
[20:19] Speaker 1: praetorian guard of people who never want to rock the boat,
[20:23] Speaker 1: hence why they treat to Peter it Upton like this
[20:26] Speaker 1: at the election.
[20:27] Speaker 6: I should people vote for you when you give the
[20:30] Speaker 6: air of a guy that's turned up not having turned
[20:33] Speaker 6: his homeworking on time.
[20:34] Speaker 7: Tell us how intense your fights with Barnaby are.
[20:37] Speaker 6: How can you be taken seriously in the Pacific if
[20:39] Speaker 6: all of your policies hating.
[20:40] Speaker 8: Your message to South Australian voters, particularly in both being
[20:44] Speaker 8: scared who're watching their retirement savings be wiped away today,
[20:49] Speaker 8: who are worried about you becoming Donald Trump.
[20:51] Speaker 7: Campaigns are pressure events for candidates like yourself, but they're
[20:55] Speaker 7: pressure events for families of candidates too. Do you worry
[21:00] Speaker 7: your dad is not being helped and might even have
[21:04] Speaker 7: been harmed by the fact that he's worried about you?
[21:07] Speaker 1: Stop at all costs, make the one you don't like
[21:11] Speaker 1: seem as unelectable as possible. Intentionally create a sense of
[21:17] Speaker 1: being malicious around those that you don't want to achieve power,
[21:22] Speaker 1: as opposed to the one, of course, that you just
[21:24] Speaker 1: carry in like they were Cleopatra's.
[21:30] Speaker 2: You've spoken to Premium Men's about getting the rabbit O's
[21:32] Speaker 2: Italian Stadia on.
[21:34] Speaker 9: Those issues are about the poles and the momentum being
[21:36] Speaker 9: on your side.
[21:37] Speaker 6: Are you concerned though about the possibility of a protest
[21:40] Speaker 6: emerging that people think that they is going to win
[21:43] Speaker 6: pretty comfortably?
[21:43] Speaker 1: What does I say about your opponent? You think that
[21:45] Speaker 1: he doesn't know the price of a.
[21:46] Speaker 9: Past the halfway point in the campaign, the poles look
[21:49] Speaker 9: increasingly positive for labor, that's positive for the coalition.
[21:54] Speaker 7: You must be getting confident now if you go into
[21:56] Speaker 7: the fund two weeks.
[21:57] Speaker 2: Should the Commonwealth spend anything on helping WA secure an
[22:00] Speaker 2: NRL side?
[22:05] Speaker 1: Which is why we've got to pay attention to what
[22:07] Speaker 1: happened on Channel two last night. Susan Lee was on
[22:09] Speaker 1: the seven to thirty report. And there are two main
[22:13] Speaker 1: ways that people interview politicians. Right, the more you interrupt
[22:16] Speaker 1: them is to be tougher to interview, the more you
[22:18] Speaker 1: let them say what they want to say. That was
[22:20] Speaker 1: incredibly soft now again playing their part in the media
[22:27] Speaker 1: role of trying to send the message that this is
[22:29] Speaker 1: some sort of unelectable rabble. Because they have got rid
[22:33] Speaker 1: of net zero, they have now stepped into the unpalatable
[22:36] Speaker 1: side of Australian politics. As you will have heard by now,
[22:39] Speaker 1: she was not given the fairest of times. Now again
[22:43] Speaker 1: it's a tougher place. We know it's a left his own.
[22:45] Speaker 1: There's no giant surprise there. But honestly I get it
[22:49] Speaker 1: that she'll probably end up winning an award for this.
[22:51] Speaker 1: But when the host doesn't let somebody get two sentences out,
[22:55] Speaker 1: I think we all know what's really going on here,
[22:57] Speaker 1: and it's nothing to do with the subject they are discussing.
[23:00] Speaker 1: Seen it before, but why not again?
[23:02] Speaker 10: How does just explain how that works when we know
[23:06] Speaker 10: that it's gas predominantly that sets the marginal price of
[23:09] Speaker 10: electricity in Australia. So how is it the fault of renewables?
[23:13] Speaker 10: How is it that the renewable role has caused? If
[23:16] Speaker 10: I can just answer the question price is in Australia.
[23:19] Speaker 1: This is how I want to give.
[23:21] Speaker 11: A worked example of this. Because I come from I
[23:23] Speaker 11: come from Western News South.
[23:24] Speaker 10: I think we should just talk about the I think
[23:26] Speaker 10: we should a project I think is well behalf. I
[23:28] Speaker 10: think we should talk about the price of gas. You're
[23:30] Speaker 10: still not accepting the facts about the economy of the
[23:33] Speaker 10: the economy of the energy system and actually how it works.
[23:36] Speaker 10: Right now you accepted its gas. The same time, I think,
[23:40] Speaker 10: right now they're working, they're working, well, yes they are.
[23:42] Speaker 10: But to put more in the system as you did,
[23:45] Speaker 10: isn't it a bit too little too late? The Australian
[23:47] Speaker 10: Energy Council, the people responsible for this business in Australia,
[23:51] Speaker 10: arguing against.
[23:52] Speaker 8: You with respects there.
[23:53] Speaker 11: If you will let me finish this is an important point.
[23:55] Speaker 1: It is let me finish now again. I get it.
[23:58] Speaker 1: The house style is the more you up to, the
[24:00] Speaker 1: better the interview is. But every now and then you've
[24:03] Speaker 1: got to say, okay, so what's your idea? Let them
[24:05] Speaker 1: explain their idea. So here's the thing I thought about
[24:08] Speaker 1: your idea. Here's the problem with you. I get all
[24:09] Speaker 1: of that right, but no, no, no, no no. Let's
[24:12] Speaker 1: compare that to how the golden boy, the handsome boy
[24:15] Speaker 1: is treated.
[24:18] Speaker 10: Prime Minister, welcome to seven thirty.
[24:20] Speaker 5: Good to be back in Canberra.
[24:22] Speaker 10: Well, and you're back with a huge majority. You've got
[24:25] Speaker 10: a once in a lifetime opportunity to actually change Australia.
[24:29] Speaker 10: We're currently watching the UK government squander the majority that
[24:32] Speaker 10: they had. How do you avoid the trap of excessive
[24:36] Speaker 10: caution with determination?
[24:39] Speaker 5: Making sure we are an ambitious government.
[24:41] Speaker 10: That they were jokes.
[24:42] Speaker 5: What were the jokes about the jokes about all sorts
[24:45] Speaker 5: of things. But once again, I'm going to keep that private.
[24:49] Speaker 5: But he had showed a real sense of humor and
[24:53] Speaker 5: it was a very warm conversation.
[24:57] Speaker 1: All right, Now, let's get to Jess Wilson. You've heard
[24:59] Speaker 1: by now. She is the new leader of the Liberal
[25:02] Speaker 1: Party in Victoria a year out. Her hope is that
[25:05] Speaker 1: being a first term MP, being a person in their
[25:07] Speaker 1: mid thirties, that this is all fresh new and could
[25:10] Speaker 1: be a circuit breaker for the Liberal Party being able
[25:13] Speaker 1: to take on the Labor Party. Fingers crossed, I hope
[25:14] Speaker 1: that's the case. Interesting chat that she had with my
[25:17] Speaker 1: dear friend Peter Creedlin earlier this evening.
[25:20] Speaker 4: We need to offer Victorians a wide ranging agenda. We
[25:23] Speaker 4: have to be talking about the fact that debt in
[25:26] Speaker 4: this state is soaring towards two hundred billion dollars and
[25:29] Speaker 4: the opportunity cost of that means that we won't be
[25:31] Speaker 4: able to fund essential services. I'm thirty five years old,
[25:35] Speaker 4: I'm a millennial. I know that my generation and generations
[25:39] Speaker 4: for younger than me have given up on trying to
[25:41] Speaker 4: buy their own home. And it's the punishing property taxes
[25:45] Speaker 4: in this state that are making is making housing unaffordable.
[25:48] Speaker 4: These are the issues we need to take to the
[25:50] Speaker 4: next election. I believe I can do that. I can
[25:52] Speaker 4: take that broad agenda and really sell an economic narrative
[25:56] Speaker 4: and a broad narrative about why the Liberal Party will
[25:59] Speaker 4: be a credible economic alternative for Victoria.
[26:04] Speaker 1: Now, reality in Victoria is that the Labor Party is
[26:07] Speaker 1: the forever machine. They've been there for the best part
[26:09] Speaker 1: of thirty years, meaning that no one wants to rock
[26:11] Speaker 1: the boat. You know what I call the triangle of dependence. Well,
[26:15] Speaker 1: when it comes to the debt, have a look at this.
[26:18] Speaker 1: According to Victoria's budget Victoria's treasury in twenty twenty four,
[26:23] Speaker 1: it was nineteen million dollars a day. By twenty eight,
[26:25] Speaker 1: twenty nine, it will be twenty nine million dollars a day.
[26:29] Speaker 1: According to a fresh water pole and asterisk, because they
[26:32] Speaker 1: said the Lips would win the federal election, sixty percent
[26:35] Speaker 1: of people say they're doing a bad job. But let
[26:37] Speaker 1: me show you exactly how the Labor Party is going
[26:39] Speaker 1: to try to take this new liberal threat on it
[26:42] Speaker 1: is by scaring the triangle of dependence. This their first
[26:47] Speaker 1: ad within seconds of her taking the job. What do
[26:52] Speaker 1: we know about new Liberal leader Jess Wilson.
[26:54] Speaker 12: She leads the Victorian Liberals, the party whose last time
[26:57] Speaker 12: in government saw them making massive cuts to hell and education,
[27:01] Speaker 12: and now they are promising eleven point one billion dollars
[27:03] Speaker 12: in new cuts. Last time the Liberals were in power,
[27:06] Speaker 12: they cut one billion from health and waged war on
[27:08] Speaker 12: our ambos. They cut one billion from Victorian tapes and
[27:12] Speaker 12: close twenty two campuses. And now Wilson says the Liberals
[27:15] Speaker 12: will cut again Jess Wilson's more liberal cuts.
[27:19] Speaker 1: See this is their whole strategy and this is the
[27:23] Speaker 1: triangle of dependence in full display. Why now, despite the
[27:29] Speaker 1: fact that they have set the state broke twenty billion
[27:32] Speaker 1: dollars debt is now two hundred billion dollars debt, because
[27:36] Speaker 1: the majority of people have got their handout for the
[27:38] Speaker 1: welfare or are getting something from the government, or an
[27:41] Speaker 1: increasing number in an increasing number of seats people work
[27:45] Speaker 1: for the government or in Melbourne, some of the biggest customers, sorry,
[27:50] Speaker 1: some of the biggest companies. The biggest customer is the government.
[27:55] Speaker 1: Despite the fact that they are spending more than they
[27:57] Speaker 1: are making and any attempt to pull that down cuts cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts,
[28:04] Speaker 1: cuts cut. That is the politics of the labor That
[28:06] Speaker 1: is the modern problem that we are facing in Australia.
[28:10] Speaker 1: Now that is day one. It is up to the
[28:13] Speaker 1: Libs to be able to call bullshit and to fight fight,
[28:16] Speaker 1: fight against that perception, because you only get one chance
[28:20] Speaker 1: at a first impression, and they are taking one hell
[28:22] Speaker 1: of a swing when it comes to somebody who's in
[28:25] Speaker 1: their first term, who apparently is quite impressive. I know
[28:27] Speaker 1: plenty of people who've talked her up all day to day.
[28:29] Speaker 1: But the reality is they are up against the most
[28:33] Speaker 1: well oiled machine in Australian politics, being the Victorian Labor Party,
[28:37] Speaker 1: who are going to say that any attempt to balance
[28:40] Speaker 1: the books is somehow a way of pushing people into poverty. No,
[28:44] Speaker 1: the Victorian Libs, whomever their leader is, need to hammer, hammer,
[28:48] Speaker 1: hammer the failures of this mob, the unfairness of this mob,
[28:52] Speaker 1: the idea that before the last election, thirty three people
[28:55] Speaker 1: died because this government ran a triplo system into the ground,
[29:00] Speaker 1: that as late as this year, the tripleo system is
[29:03] Speaker 1: now down to pen and paper. Time for a new
[29:06] Speaker 1: broom may this be the leader who helps arrive all right,
[29:08] Speaker 1: last one here, as you work your backside off, and
[29:11] Speaker 1: many people work all day Monday and all day Tuesday.
[29:15] Speaker 1: Why to pay for tax for the politicians to pitle
[29:19] Speaker 1: up it against the wall on showbiz? For ugly people,
[29:22] Speaker 1: here is how they spend your money making social media
[29:25] Speaker 1: videos about themselves. First, our role make Clerlessclare O'Neil.
[29:31] Speaker 13: This is a five thousand dollars apple, and fifty of
[29:34] Speaker 13: them is a quarter of a million dollars. I've done
[29:37] Speaker 13: the mass so you don't have to. Our policies will
[29:40] Speaker 13: help the average young person save eight years of the
[29:44] Speaker 13: time it will take them to get into their first home.
[29:47] Speaker 1: Remember they think everyone everyone is dumb. Everyone here, we're
[29:51] Speaker 1: playing right up the back of the room. We're pretending
[29:55] Speaker 1: we're all on play school.
[29:56] Speaker 8: Here.
[29:56] Speaker 1: Hello Johnny, Hello Michelle. Do you understand housing scheme? Here's
[30:03] Speaker 1: another one having a crack at the limbs for dropping
[30:05] Speaker 1: ned zero or another one. Remember this is how they
[30:17] Speaker 1: think Australians are interested in politics, right, that you've got
[30:23] Speaker 1: to talk down to people, down to people, down to people,
[30:26] Speaker 1: patronize them by carrying on like this. Oh boy, she
[30:40] Speaker 1: owned no Sabrina Carpenter. All right, quick breakback with more
[30:43] Speaker 1: lots to talk about, including the wonderful Pauline Hansen. She
[30:45] Speaker 1: is here tonight, lots to get to surging in the polls.
[30:50] Speaker 1: We'll have a chat to her in a moment or
[30:51] Speaker 1: two is time here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for
[30:52] Speaker 1: watching Tuesday Night. Let's get into it. Thank you so
[30:59] Speaker 1: much for watching. Pauline handsOn moment or two's time. Joining
[31:02] Speaker 1: us now from Victoria is David Limerick. Of course, the
[31:06] Speaker 1: Libertarian Upper House MP A block of I hope is
[31:09] Speaker 1: joined by many others libertarian good option when it comes
[31:12] Speaker 1: to upper houses, particularly in Victoria. Linda Scott her political
[31:16] Speaker 1: daysa behind so many other things, but label to were
[31:18] Speaker 1: berntstraps and plenty to talk about, and I'm sure disagree
[31:20] Speaker 1: with David on so let us get into it. So
[31:22] Speaker 1: poss of the Commonwealth Bank today goes where others have
[31:27] Speaker 1: literally feared to tread Fred to discuss. But he's openly
[31:31] Speaker 1: suggesting that, yeah, we do need to cut back on
[31:33] Speaker 1: mass migration by qualification. Does this mean now we have
[31:37] Speaker 1: to use the R word? Linda?
[31:39] Speaker 11: I don't think so, because we leave that to the
[31:42] Speaker 11: abs but I think it is surprising to hear the
[31:45] Speaker 11: head of the Komaf Bank talk about this because endless
[31:49] Speaker 11: economist after endless economist has highlighted that dramatic cuts to
[31:54] Speaker 11: migration are going to impact and be pretty harmful for
[31:57] Speaker 11: Australia's economy. And indeed, the well known Gratton Institute, a
[32:02] Speaker 11: genuine think tank that looks at these kinds of things,
[32:05] Speaker 11: that modeled out the lefty last coalition policy on immigration.
[32:10] Speaker 11: And look, it's changing by the day, So who knows
[32:12] Speaker 11: what their policy is today. I wouldn't like to speculate,
[32:15] Speaker 11: but the policies they took to the last election showing
[32:18] Speaker 11: that actually a cut to migration would hurt house prices
[32:22] Speaker 11: for Australians because it'd lead to skill shortages and that
[32:25] Speaker 11: would create a situation where you'd have higher shortages. So
[32:29] Speaker 11: you know, these kinds of things are problematic and we've
[32:33] Speaker 11: got to have the right migration levels for Australia.
[32:36] Speaker 1: But also it's this thing David Ware and I posed
[32:38] Speaker 1: this question last night, is that in the same way
[32:40] Speaker 1: there is the shi Trump voter right, or perhaps even
[32:43] Speaker 1: the shy libertarian voter, where just people are a little
[32:46] Speaker 1: bit surprised what the result is. It seems that even
[32:49] Speaker 1: though in this pop up of the Sydney Morning Hell
[32:51] Speaker 1: fifty eight percent of people saying that immigration is too high,
[32:56] Speaker 1: there's not going to be a giant surge in those
[32:58] Speaker 1: who demand changes in in migration, because we know that
[33:02] Speaker 1: there are politicians who end up saying okay, well, polls
[33:05] Speaker 1: are good like this, This plenty of evidence. This is
[33:06] Speaker 1: where people want to go, and the second they go,
[33:08] Speaker 1: they're racist, racist, racist. But this is for the head
[33:11] Speaker 1: of the Commonwealth Bank. I love that it's a non
[33:13] Speaker 1: political person taking a look look at this from a
[33:16] Speaker 1: different angle.
[33:17] Speaker 9: Your thoughts done. The real question here is what does
[33:22] Speaker 9: good immigration policy look like? And I think one of
[33:24] Speaker 9: the problems with the current immigration policy is that it
[33:27] Speaker 9: doesn't take into account the total public assets that we have,
[33:31] Speaker 9: so everything that we have in Australia, so roads, public transport, hospitals,
[33:36] Speaker 9: all of the public assets that we have. When someone
[33:39] Speaker 9: comes from overseas and comes here, they essentially get all
[33:42] Speaker 9: that for free and then it's paid for by other taxpayers.
[33:46] Speaker 9: Libertarian immigration policy is actually quite unique, and like one
[33:50] Speaker 9: of the reasons I joined the party. We say that
[33:53] Speaker 9: someone should buy a share in that equity in Australia.
[33:58] Speaker 9: Let's say, for example, they pay a share so that
[34:02] Speaker 9: when they come here they're not a burden on existing taxpayers.
[34:06] Speaker 9: And also it helps pay for infrastructure that is required
[34:08] Speaker 9: for the new immigrants. And also it decreases resentment from
[34:12] Speaker 9: people because they see that people that are coming here
[34:15] Speaker 9: are contributing to Australia and they are paying their way
[34:18] Speaker 9: and paying for their fair share of infrastructure, and enable
[34:21] Speaker 9: the government to lower taxes for existing Australians as well
[34:24] Speaker 9: that don't have to pay for this new infrastructure.
[34:26] Speaker 1: See interesting ideas. I'd say this to everyone, right, have
[34:29] Speaker 1: a think. Plenty of options out there, plenty of smaller
[34:32] Speaker 1: parties with ideas, different ideas like that, all right, So
[34:35] Speaker 1: when it comes to what you're going to do with
[34:37] Speaker 1: the preferences, are we going to go upper house like
[34:39] Speaker 1: sometimes red and blue? There are plenty of other colors
[34:42] Speaker 1: and options out there. So let's talk about the changes
[34:44] Speaker 1: in Victoria today. Again, I have never met I don't know.
[34:47] Speaker 1: I don't believe it. Jess Wilson may have interviewed two
[34:51] Speaker 1: years ago or something, but she's now the new Liberal
[34:54] Speaker 1: leader in Victoria. Now on paper, theoretically, the Liberal Party
[34:59] Speaker 1: has a female problem. Well, of course major change in
[35:01] Speaker 1: the first female leader. That's really important, right, But equally,
[35:04] Speaker 1: anyone who believes inequality means that it's not really about that.
[35:07] Speaker 1: It's about the quality of the person, the quality of
[35:09] Speaker 1: the idea. The idea that at some point gender should
[35:13] Speaker 1: become unexceptional is sort of true equality. But she is
[35:16] Speaker 1: also this first time, she does have an opportunity to
[35:19] Speaker 1: present herself in a brand new way. I think that
[35:24] Speaker 1: they didn't really build the case as to why they
[35:26] Speaker 1: had to biscuit the old leader, and that's going to
[35:28] Speaker 1: be a bit of a problem. I was watching on
[35:29] Speaker 1: the six pm YEWS in Melbourne tonight. This was sort
[35:32] Speaker 1: of the leading questions that were often about, Okay, great,
[35:36] Speaker 1: this is all of her biography, and the biography is great,
[35:38] Speaker 1: but why did the other bloke get the punt? Now
[35:42] Speaker 1: they're making a strategic decision about when plenty more people
[35:45] Speaker 1: pay attention whether this is the right person or not.
[35:47] Speaker 1: And then the pole drops that may well have saved
[35:50] Speaker 1: his leadership. Now asterisk the polling company is the one
[35:53] Speaker 1: that told us Peter Dutton would have won the last election.
[35:56] Speaker 1: Presumably they've moved the dolls since then, but they claim
[35:58] Speaker 1: that Brad Batten was the preferred premiere. They claimed that
[36:01] Speaker 1: the Liberal vote was hired and the Labor vote. They
[36:03] Speaker 1: claimed that there was a two party preferred when the
[36:05] Speaker 1: coalition was in front. So David, as a person who
[36:08] Speaker 1: may or may not know the new leader or certainly
[36:12] Speaker 1: how they work, why do you think they gave the
[36:15] Speaker 1: current one, who apparently, according to this poll was a
[36:18] Speaker 1: b's in front. Why did they get rid of him?
[36:22] Speaker 9: I have no idea, Like, it's a total mystery to me.
[36:25] Speaker 9: Like I see the work that Brad was doing. He
[36:29] Speaker 9: was like engaging with out a suburban areas and you know,
[36:34] Speaker 9: relating to them. He was up in the polls. Like
[36:38] Speaker 9: it's just a mystery to me. Like the entire, like
[36:42] Speaker 9: the entire substance of the Liberal Party. I just don't
[36:45] Speaker 9: understand what goes on there. Look, there's a lot of
[36:48] Speaker 9: people that still believe in the Liberal Party, I guess,
[36:51] Speaker 9: but a lot of people just see it as like
[36:53] Speaker 9: a dying entity and like many people, you know, think
[36:56] Speaker 9: that will land up in Victoria the same way as
[36:58] Speaker 9: it did in w A, where that you know, they
[37:00] Speaker 9: end up in a minibus party. The Libertarian Party wants
[37:05] Speaker 9: to provide a like a clear alternative to the government.
[37:08] Speaker 9: We have a clear differentiation. We clearly oppose net zero,
[37:11] Speaker 9: we oppose gender ideology, madness, we want to respect the
[37:16] Speaker 9: rights of Victorians, and we've never voted for an increase
[37:19] Speaker 9: in taxes like I mean, we think that we provide
[37:22] Speaker 9: a clear option that you know, differentiates us from labor.
[37:26] Speaker 9: As for the opposition at the moment, like, I'm not
[37:28] Speaker 9: really sure. They just seem to say that, you know,
[37:30] Speaker 9: they think they're better manage us.
[37:32] Speaker 1: But also it's this thing, Linda where now I don't
[37:35] Speaker 1: know whether I'm not going to say that the game
[37:37] Speaker 1: is rigged, but perhaps the sort of land minds that
[37:40] Speaker 1: are put around the center right of politics is well,
[37:45] Speaker 1: there's this gender issue right now. Again, a single figure
[37:48] Speaker 1: in a party does not change it. However, there is
[37:51] Speaker 1: a generational change. This is the first, to my knowledge,
[37:56] Speaker 1: millennial leader of a political party in the country, the
[37:58] Speaker 1: first female leader for the Liberal Party. Yeah, first termer
[38:04] Speaker 1: somebody who's bringing up a young family. But plenty of
[38:06] Speaker 1: blokes have been in exactly the same situation. So I'm
[38:09] Speaker 1: not going to fall into that trap. Because you see,
[38:11] Speaker 1: this is how it all. It's all lined up that
[38:13] Speaker 1: you do if you define or observe and in the
[38:16] Speaker 1: wrong way, bang you're off the road here. But as
[38:19] Speaker 1: somebody who is watching the Liberal Party punching itself in
[38:23] Speaker 1: the head as often as it does a thirty four
[38:27] Speaker 1: year old first female leader, is that something that makes
[38:32] Speaker 1: you say, Okay, we're still beating them, but maybe somewhere
[38:35] Speaker 1: they're getting it well.
[38:36] Speaker 11: Because I was humming along today Paul on the train
[38:39] Speaker 11: on the way out here to the Bay City rollers,
[38:41] Speaker 11: you know that great song, Bye Bye Baby. It did
[38:43] Speaker 11: make me think kind of backroom rollers, right, Like, this
[38:47] Speaker 11: is just such a disaster for the Liberal Party. In
[38:51] Speaker 11: Victoria alone, they have had three leaders in eleven months,
[38:58] Speaker 11: three different leaders in a life months. In Victoria they've
[39:01] Speaker 11: had their seventh leader now since twenty twelve. It's gone
[39:06] Speaker 11: a bit unreported, but today in New South Wales we've
[39:08] Speaker 11: actually also got a new leader of the National Party
[39:12] Speaker 11: in opposition and enormous speculation obviously going on everywhere in
[39:16] Speaker 11: every part of the country about leaders in the Liberal Party,
[39:20] Speaker 11: certainly here in New South Wales, Mark Speakman huge front
[39:24] Speaker 11: pages today about him being rolled. In the final weeks
[39:27] Speaker 11: of New South Wales Parliament and of course all the
[39:29] Speaker 11: speculation about Susan Lay So look, I don't think it
[39:32] Speaker 11: matters your gender. This week there are a raft of
[39:36] Speaker 11: Liberal leaders being rolled and a raft of Liberal leaders
[39:40] Speaker 11: being potentially rolled in coming days and weeks, and their
[39:45] Speaker 11: polls obviously in response to that, just continue to go
[39:48] Speaker 11: down because ultimately Australians don't know what the Liberal Party
[39:53] Speaker 11: stands for anymore. They don't know where they stand on
[39:56] Speaker 11: really critical issues like the economy, mi on climate change.
[40:02] Speaker 11: In New South Wales, we've got a leader of the
[40:04] Speaker 11: Liberal Party who says is you know, passionately net zero
[40:07] Speaker 11: and obviously in complete contrast to the Federal Party who've
[40:11] Speaker 11: just changed their position yet Againest thing about the.
[40:14] Speaker 1: Labor parties, once Head office decides, you all apparently believe
[40:18] Speaker 1: exactly the same thing at exactly the same time. Remember
[40:21] Speaker 1: when pennies against same sex marriage. Now I know, real life,
[40:26] Speaker 1: this faction doesn't like it, and that faction doesn't like it.
[40:29] Speaker 1: But you know, Paul, part of my design in the
[40:31] Speaker 1: favor of the Liberal Party is that whichever third is
[40:33] Speaker 1: currently disempowered gets to peedle on the other two thirds.
[40:37] Speaker 11: But you know, the Labor party is like this big
[40:40] Speaker 11: giant family. Sometimes you love to hate it, but you know,
[40:43] Speaker 11: I still love it because we do have all those
[40:45] Speaker 11: robust arguments. But then when no, we don't we televise
[40:49] Speaker 11: in New South Wales our big conferences in town hall. True,
[40:55] Speaker 11: I can tell you, but we we have the argument
[40:58] Speaker 11: and we come to a landed policy busition and we
[41:00] Speaker 11: talk about it in public and it's very transparent and
[41:03] Speaker 11: very democratic. And then we move forward and we announced
[41:05] Speaker 11: polsies at the moment les what are they stand for?
[41:08] Speaker 11: Who knows?
[41:08] Speaker 1: I think there's a center that just texts you they're
[41:10] Speaker 1: very impressed. You have the line. Well done, Thank you
[41:12] Speaker 1: very much. Thank you to you, and thank you to
[41:14] Speaker 1: David Librigg. Go and find out more about parties. In
[41:17] Speaker 1: his case, the Libertarian Puddy in Victoria, the one minor
[41:20] Speaker 1: party that is absolutely smashing. It is one nation of
[41:23] Speaker 1: the moment, double as popular as the Greens. And I
[41:26] Speaker 1: don't think it's a fluke. Pauline Hansen, It's leader, joins us. Next,
[41:34] Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. Well, the party's on
[41:37] Speaker 1: fire at the moment. It has never been more popular,
[41:39] Speaker 1: and it's because Pauline Hanson has never changed she joins
[41:43] Speaker 1: us now from Queensland, how are you rockstar? Can you
[41:47] Speaker 1: believe the parties now at that moment where twice as
[41:51] Speaker 1: popular as the Greens look fingers crossed, that's where it
[41:54] Speaker 1: lands at the next election. But even if it doesn't,
[41:56] Speaker 1: what a moment where you're twice as popular as that
[41:59] Speaker 1: mob you you have to see that that he said
[42:01] Speaker 1: you every time you go to Canberra.
[42:05] Speaker 6: Absolutely fantastic. Paul, You have no idea how I feel
[42:08] Speaker 6: about this, and I feel vindicated in a lot of ways,
[42:11] Speaker 6: but like I said, it's still two years outside the election,
[42:13] Speaker 6: maybe two and a half years. But anyway, people. Lee
[42:16] Speaker 6: had a meeting launched the branch at Lions in Tasmani.
[42:19] Speaker 6: She said. A woman got up halfway through and she said,
[42:22] Speaker 6: I used to vote for the Greens. I was a
[42:24] Speaker 6: Green supporter for the last twenty years. She said, no more,
[42:27] Speaker 6: she said, I'm finished with the Greens. She said, you
[42:29] Speaker 6: know the lost or on the issue with abortion, having
[42:31] Speaker 6: an abortion right up to the day of birth. She
[42:33] Speaker 6: said that lost me. But not only that, McKim has
[42:36] Speaker 6: actually destroyed the Greens and Tasmania. She said, I don't
[42:39] Speaker 6: believe in what they stand for.
[42:40] Speaker 5: Anymore.
[42:41] Speaker 6: So I've had this a couple of times from Greens voters.
[42:43] Speaker 6: They're actually walking away from the Greens. That's why they're
[42:46] Speaker 6: going down the vote. Also, another fellow staunched labor voter,
[42:51] Speaker 6: he actually was with the Unions. He said, no more,
[42:53] Speaker 6: he said, I'm over the Labor. And a fellow on
[42:55] Speaker 6: the plane today coming back from Sydney, he said, you know,
[42:58] Speaker 6: I used to always vote liberal.
[43:00] Speaker 1: He said, no more.
[43:00] Speaker 6: I'm sick of the way of they're running the country.
[43:02] Speaker 6: In the ground he said, you got my vote. It's
[43:04] Speaker 6: happening right across broad spectrum.
[43:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, something that I took some time to talk about
[43:09] Speaker 1: last night, right, because we've been talking for a long time,
[43:11] Speaker 1: and again I'm always very thankful to how available you,
[43:14] Speaker 1: James and the rest of the team have been.
[43:15] Speaker 13: Right.
[43:16] Speaker 1: We try to give you a fair crack because we
[43:17] Speaker 1: know people want to hear from you.
[43:19] Speaker 7: Right.
[43:19] Speaker 1: But my belief is that okay, look, there'll be fluctuation,
[43:22] Speaker 1: because there were always is. But I think that the
[43:25] Speaker 1: idea that you're going to the next election land where
[43:28] Speaker 1: you were at the last election. But that one produced
[43:31] Speaker 1: two more senators, three senators who didn't have the name Hanson,
[43:34] Speaker 1: being elected of the Parliament. Pretty amazing, right, is that
[43:37] Speaker 1: I went through and I started to talk about stuff
[43:40] Speaker 1: that's all available on your website. Family tax policy. If
[43:44] Speaker 1: you start telling people at a barbecue, hey, if you've
[43:46] Speaker 1: got a kid, why not your wage your wage cutting
[43:50] Speaker 1: half and that's how mouth you end up paying. Why
[43:53] Speaker 1: not pass a law making sure that free speech is
[43:55] Speaker 1: legally protected. Why not make sure that education is focused
[43:59] Speaker 1: on the obvious, not when it comes to indoctrination. Why
[44:03] Speaker 1: not have laws about who gets to invest in the
[44:05] Speaker 1: country or not. I mean, this is the sort of
[44:07] Speaker 1: stuff that if for whatever reason, somebody's walked away from
[44:11] Speaker 1: somewhere else, I believe that they are finding a home
[44:14] Speaker 1: in one nation. This is not a stopover on their
[44:17] Speaker 1: way back to the main parties.
[44:23] Speaker 6: Paul, you're right, and what you're saying about the policies,
[44:26] Speaker 6: they're policies that I've thought through clearly and with my
[44:28] Speaker 6: team around me to come up with these clear policies. Now,
[44:31] Speaker 6: the biggest one being mass migration, which I've been on
[44:34] Speaker 6: about many many years about it. I'm not against migration,
[44:37] Speaker 6: but having in a managed way so that we can
[44:39] Speaker 6: give people housing in Australia dias in standard living, a
[44:42] Speaker 6: wave of life, and provide the services to them that
[44:44] Speaker 6: they require. Migrants come here for that, yet they find
[44:48] Speaker 6: they're in a situation they kn't of find housing for themselves,
[44:52] Speaker 6: and I think it's unfair to them as well. Now
[44:54] Speaker 6: this government has continued with high migration only to prop
[44:59] Speaker 6: up there poor ability to look after the economy. That's
[45:04] Speaker 6: what it's about, and that's disgraceful. And we're in the
[45:07] Speaker 6: situation that we are. People have had a gut full.
[45:10] Speaker 6: They want pullback on the mass migration god coming in
[45:13] Speaker 6: the country, Yet neither the political party seem to be
[45:16] Speaker 6: able to deal with it or come out and say it.
[45:18] Speaker 6: Also pensioners, give pensions the ability to go out and
[45:21] Speaker 6: work if they want to, don't affect their age pension
[45:24] Speaker 6: which they've worked hard, should be entitled to, and let
[45:28] Speaker 6: them work unlimited hours. Just pay the tax on the earnings,
[45:31] Speaker 6: give them a leg up, a hand up, you know,
[45:33] Speaker 6: to earn that bit of extra, given them a decent
[45:35] Speaker 6: standard of living, and of course self hund retirees, I'd
[45:38] Speaker 6: like to see them get some tax relief, not be
[45:41] Speaker 6: taxed until about thirty five thousand dollars earning and then
[45:44] Speaker 6: you know, pay the taxes. They're not a drain on
[45:46] Speaker 6: the welfare. N diis needs to be rained in. It's
[45:50] Speaker 6: out of control of the people on ndos both the
[45:53] Speaker 6: year twenty thirty thirty two, it's going to cost one
[45:55] Speaker 6: hundred billion a year. We're not going to be able
[45:58] Speaker 6: to afford this pool. These are common sense policies. So
[46:00] Speaker 6: I encourage people go and look at our policies. Haven't
[46:04] Speaker 6: read through them, understand what we are fighting for.
[46:07] Speaker 1: Now. Some people that I often talk to about, you know,
[46:09] Speaker 1: the inner workings of elections, all the rest of it,
[46:11] Speaker 1: there's one little bit of the poll that I sent them,
[46:13] Speaker 1: and I talked about it on the show last night,
[46:15] Speaker 1: and it is the bit that freaks them about just
[46:18] Speaker 1: how permanent I think this change is going to be.
[46:20] Speaker 1: If you break down the one nation supporters, if the
[46:23] Speaker 1: assumption is, oh, it's a whole bunch of ex liberal
[46:25] Speaker 1: voters over fifty five, guess what not the case. In fact,
[46:29] Speaker 1: my generation Generation X are the kids of the baby boomers.
[46:33] Speaker 1: They make up twenty percent, twenty percent of that entire group.
[46:38] Speaker 1: Basically a little bit pretty similar to where the Liberal
[46:41] Speaker 1: Party is. Okay, might be half of where labor is.
[46:43] Speaker 1: But twenty percent of people sort of in and around
[46:45] Speaker 1: their forties are backing. In one nation, twenty four percent
[46:49] Speaker 1: of people over the age of fifty five. Okaygen Z's
[46:52] Speaker 1: never going to buy in. But this is really important
[46:55] Speaker 1: because the people that are gen X again, that sort
[46:57] Speaker 1: of early forties to fifty range, they are the ones
[47:01] Speaker 1: with the biggest mortgage, the biggest bills, and they see
[47:05] Speaker 1: you as the answer. What does it say to you
[47:07] Speaker 1: that the appeal isn't just you know, frankly fifty five
[47:10] Speaker 1: plus former liberal voters.
[47:15] Speaker 6: Well, you're right, it's not just forty to fifty year roles.
[47:17] Speaker 6: And what I get here from all the time is
[47:20] Speaker 6: the younger generations coming through. Even those ones as young
[47:23] Speaker 6: as fourteen sixteen are contact in my office and say
[47:25] Speaker 6: love your politics or want to do interviews with me.
[47:27] Speaker 6: They're studying politics. And don't disregard the younger ones going
[47:32] Speaker 6: to universities eighteen to twenty year roles as well, because
[47:35] Speaker 6: they see they're losing their country and they see it
[47:38] Speaker 6: happen in the universities where they're told not to be
[47:40] Speaker 6: proud of the nation who they are as Australians, and
[47:43] Speaker 6: they see the foreign students give more benefits or can
[47:47] Speaker 6: I say is privileges in the universe. They feel totally
[47:51] Speaker 6: forgotten in their own universities. So the Australians out there
[47:55] Speaker 6: are saying, hey, what's the future for us in this country?
[47:58] Speaker 6: And they're turning to people with paidism. That's what a
[48:01] Speaker 6: lot of people want. Someone who's patriotic towards this country
[48:05] Speaker 6: and out there fighting for this train people and that's
[48:08] Speaker 6: what they see in me. So you know, it's right
[48:10] Speaker 6: across the board, Paul. And we've see now that it
[48:13] Speaker 6: used to be men used to be more conducive to
[48:17] Speaker 6: actually support one nation, but now it's quite even and
[48:20] Speaker 6: it's fifty to fifty men and women.
[48:22] Speaker 1: Good stuff, all right, go to the website have a look. Yes,
[48:25] Speaker 1: I want to get the word out that it's not
[48:27] Speaker 1: just about you know, disaffect and protest. There are options
[48:30] Speaker 1: you want to change your system. This is how you
[48:32] Speaker 1: do it. Pauline, love you to talk to you mate.
[48:34] Speaker 1: We've talked to you again, very very soon. All the best,
[48:37] Speaker 1: thanks Paul, She's the best. Pauline joining us there from Queensland.
[48:40] Speaker 1: Quick break back with more here on Paul Urray Lane. Hey,
[48:47] Speaker 1: one of the biggest movie stars finally has an Oscar,
[48:51] Speaker 1: and that is Tom Cruise. Now, despite the fact that
[48:53] Speaker 1: I think he's about four trillion dollars at the box office,
[48:56] Speaker 1: he's been doing it for decades. He of course Little
[48:59] Speaker 1: KOOKI little period of couch jumping was weird, but he's
[49:02] Speaker 1: made awesome movies over the years. Anyway, Today he was
[49:05] Speaker 1: given an honorary Oscar by the Academy of Partiction Sciences,
[49:10] Speaker 1: which now technically means that he is an Academy Award recipient.
[49:13] Speaker 1: He's not an Academy Award winner, however, because that has
[49:16] Speaker 1: to be for acting all the rest of it, so
[49:18] Speaker 1: as consolation prizes go, it's still a golden trophy Cinamorra

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