# Paul Murray Live | 9 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 10 Aug 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/e205b999-339d-4816-b4bb-b4a100d3c542/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Kids cosplaying as activists to take to Melbourne streets, anger mounts as Ben Carroll goes into hiding. Plus, the ABC dragged kicking and screaming to issue an apology. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live and the Voice is working. Gooday,
[0:09] Speaker 1: good evening. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank
[0:10] Speaker 1: you to Caleb for filling in on Thursday night. I'll
[0:13] Speaker 1: be honest with you, the Voice was really struggling last week.
[0:15] Speaker 1: End up sleeping for a couple of days. Now we're
[0:17] Speaker 1: back fighting, fit and ready to go. Sorry for the interruption. Now,
[0:21] Speaker 1: there is nooksno Lefties on the show tonight. And a
[0:23] Speaker 1: news poll has just dropped because Parliament is resuming for
[0:27] Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. It resumes tomorrow. The headline
[0:30] Speaker 1: news is that One Nation and Labor are level in
[0:33] Speaker 1: news poll. This is similar to the polling that we've
[0:35] Speaker 1: shown you over the past couple of weeks. Now, because
[0:38] Speaker 1: Labor is down and the One Nation is down, that's
[0:42] Speaker 1: why they end up meeting in the middle at twenty
[0:44] Speaker 1: nine percent. The Coalition again down, but all of this
[0:48] Speaker 1: margin of era at one point one point one point
[0:50] Speaker 1: at eighteen percent. That's too close for comfort, considering that
[0:53] Speaker 1: the Greens have gone up by two points and the
[0:56] Speaker 1: other factor remains at two points. Now, if you do
[0:59] Speaker 1: your rough sums Coalition and One Nation, it's still well
[1:04] Speaker 1: below the threshold of being able to take government because
[1:07] Speaker 1: presumably all of the Greens and most of the other
[1:09] Speaker 1: get added in hence why the two party preferred. It
[1:12] Speaker 1: remains slightly better for the non government side, but the
[1:15] Speaker 1: government ends up in a scenario where by the way,
[1:18] Speaker 1: at twenty nine percent, that's where Gillard was before she
[1:22] Speaker 1: got the chop in twenty thirteen, the person who did
[1:24] Speaker 1: the shopping, by the way, Kevin Rudd. But what a
[1:27] Speaker 1: difference a political generation makes in terms of the preferred
[1:31] Speaker 1: prime minister. It is still a three way race in
[1:33] Speaker 1: this poll Anthony Abernezi at forty six percent, well fifty
[1:38] Speaker 1: four percent believe something else, and that something else is
[1:41] Speaker 1: evenly divided between Pauling Hanson at thirty one percent, although
[1:44] Speaker 1: no sign of heard running for the Lower House, so
[1:46] Speaker 1: that of course ends up being a beneficiary to Angus
[1:49] Speaker 1: Taylor when that number and should that number ever pop
[1:52] Speaker 1: around when there's more poles, of course, I'll tell you
[1:55] Speaker 1: including a News twenty four pulse that will be coming
[1:58] Speaker 1: up on Tuesday night, So full details in all of that.
[2:02] Speaker 1: In the meantime, lots to get to, including get ready
[2:06] Speaker 1: for a weekend or another week where the kids are
[2:08] Speaker 1: going to tell us that they know better than everyone
[2:11] Speaker 1: else and frankly they're going to be cause playing like
[2:13] Speaker 1: many of their parents did in the nineteen nineties. Now,
[2:16] Speaker 1: I remember last week if you were heres and Therese
[2:18] Speaker 1: decided to turn up to try to disrupt the Victorian
[2:20] Speaker 1: launch of One Nation, we showed you that as it
[2:23] Speaker 1: was happening. I also told you first last week that
[2:26] Speaker 1: there is to be a protest on the thirteenth of
[2:29] Speaker 1: this month. This week is when students in high school,
[2:33] Speaker 1: tafe and university will march off and they will tell
[2:36] Speaker 1: us why they know better than anyone else about the
[2:38] Speaker 1: threat that is Paul enhanced. Now they are slow off
[2:40] Speaker 1: the mark because while One Nation is level now at
[2:44] Speaker 1: twenty nine twenty nine with labor, they are of course
[2:47] Speaker 1: ahead in other opinion polling, and no doubt the Posse
[2:51] Speaker 1: will tell us that again in a couple of weeks time. Well, finally,
[2:54] Speaker 1: one of the people who is behind all of this
[2:56] Speaker 1: decided to hop on the phone. I believe they're a
[2:58] Speaker 1: high school student, but they popped on the phone with
[2:59] Speaker 1: Tom Elliott on three outw in Melbourne, and I wanted
[3:02] Speaker 1: to take a couple of minutes so you could learn
[3:05] Speaker 1: the thinking process behind those that will march to stop
[3:10] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson and put that ahead of their very own education.
[3:15] Speaker 1: Here's the first example as to why they're taking to
[3:17] Speaker 1: the streets this week.
[3:18] Speaker 2: And Hanson One Nation and all of the racist, fascist,
[3:23] Speaker 2: anti worker and sexist politics that they represent in society.
[3:29] Speaker 1: All right, So what about the twenty nine percent of
[3:31] Speaker 1: people in the current news poll higher numbers, lower numbers,
[3:35] Speaker 1: depending on the polls that you follow each and every week, month,
[3:38] Speaker 1: or every couple of days. Well, what does she think
[3:41] Speaker 1: of the people a third of the country who support
[3:43] Speaker 1: one Nation a little higher, a little lower, depending on
[3:46] Speaker 1: where you are in the country. Well, watch this great
[3:49] Speaker 1: political mind at work, because she pivots and she shows
[3:52] Speaker 1: that she can do mats.
[3:55] Speaker 2: I think that certainly they're supporting those kinds of politics
[4:01] Speaker 2: in point Hanson and in one Nation. The other side
[4:05] Speaker 2: of that equation, though, is that if thirty one percent
[4:08] Speaker 2: support her, sixty nine percent don't support her, which is
[4:11] Speaker 2: a majority. From that majority, we want to build a
[4:15] Speaker 2: mass movement of students and workers who oppose everything that
[4:19] Speaker 2: Point Hanson's politics represents.
[4:26] Speaker 1: Okay, but if you put labor together with the coalition
[4:28] Speaker 1: and one Nation, another the Greens are at fourteen percent,
[4:31] Speaker 1: meaning eighty six percent of people disagree with them, let
[4:35] Speaker 1: alone the single digits of the Victorian Socialists. So how
[4:38] Speaker 1: does this logic work? Of course it doesn't, but they
[4:41] Speaker 1: don't want to say that the supporters of the problem.
[4:44] Speaker 1: But they do believe that the vast majority of people
[4:46] Speaker 1: don't support so therefore there is unity in the cause
[4:49] Speaker 1: of fighting against and then this rubbish and I don't
[4:53] Speaker 1: know where it started. I don't know how it gets
[4:55] Speaker 1: pumped into the schools, and I don't know why somebody
[4:57] Speaker 1: is putting their head above the parapet to tell us
[4:59] Speaker 1: why they want to be at the front of this
[5:01] Speaker 1: protest on Thursday of this week. But there is this
[5:05] Speaker 1: rubbish line that Pauline Hansen wants to deport ice style
[5:11] Speaker 1: thousands of illegal immigrant kids from Australia. So when she
[5:17] Speaker 1: was questioned about what is the number that you think
[5:19] Speaker 1: is acceptable for migration to the country. Should it be
[5:22] Speaker 1: one hundred thousand that's lower than the Pauline Hanson number.
[5:25] Speaker 1: Should it be three hundred thousand that's the current numbers
[5:28] Speaker 1: of the federal government. Should it be way higher? That's
[5:30] Speaker 1: where the Greens are. Well, this was her response.
[5:35] Speaker 2: Well, I'm against all restrictions on immigration and seeking asylums.
[5:41] Speaker 2: I think everybody should be welcomed into Australia and granted
[5:44] Speaker 2: for right.
[5:48] Speaker 1: There are millions, literally millions of refugees that are in
[5:52] Speaker 1: the country. They all come to Australia if they can
[5:55] Speaker 1: get here. Now, again, it's very hard to go toe
[5:58] Speaker 1: to toe here with a kid and all of us
[5:59] Speaker 1: said one in high school and kind of being something
[6:01] Speaker 1: very different in life. But she's decided to make herself
[6:04] Speaker 1: the spokesperson for this effort. Now, when she was challenged
[6:08] Speaker 1: by Tom Elliott about the number, well, of course it's well,
[6:12] Speaker 1: it wouldn't really happen that they'd all end up coming
[6:14] Speaker 1: here yet. But if you change the rules, no restriction,
[6:17] Speaker 1: if you get here, you can stay here. The number
[6:19] Speaker 1: is going to go way above one hundred thousand, two
[6:22] Speaker 1: hundred thousand and three hundred thousand. It'll get to a million.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Just like that. Where do they live? Who knows?
[6:27] Speaker 3: Who knows?
[6:28] Speaker 1: Are the students hoping to bill at any of these people?
[6:32] Speaker 1: Of course not, They'll end up somewhere else, right, And
[6:35] Speaker 1: as long as there's somewhere else doesn't change their suburb. Well,
[6:39] Speaker 1: then of course no one cares, right, And then when
[6:42] Speaker 1: confronted with okay, look, you're in year twelve. This is
[6:46] Speaker 1: the biggest year of your schooling career. Why would you
[6:50] Speaker 1: take any time off rather than focus on studying the
[6:54] Speaker 1: best possible mark to have the best possible chance at
[6:57] Speaker 1: what I presume will be a tertiary education life after
[7:01] Speaker 1: year twelve. Well, of course it's because the matter is
[7:05] Speaker 1: so important.
[7:07] Speaker 2: Well, I think there's absolutely nothing more important that students
[7:11] Speaker 2: could do on Thursday other than come out to the protest.
[7:15] Speaker 2: If Paulin Hanson was Prime Minister, hundreds of my classmates
[7:19] Speaker 2: at my school would be deported. So this is an
[7:22] Speaker 2: issue of prime importance to me. Pauline Hanson is making
[7:26] Speaker 2: politics more fascist right here, right now. We don't have
[7:30] Speaker 2: the time to wait until you know, after exams, to
[7:33] Speaker 2: wait until we've got a degree if we want to stop.
[7:36] Speaker 1: This, Oh, if we don't take to the streets now again,
[7:40] Speaker 1: these protests will only help, not because young people don't
[7:44] Speaker 1: have a right to do their place in the democracy.
[7:48] Speaker 1: There are some who believe that people as young as
[7:49] Speaker 1: high school should be able to vote, but let's be
[7:53] Speaker 1: very clear, generally speaking, this protest will only end up
[7:57] Speaker 1: pushing people into the r of Pauline Hanson. Why because
[8:01] Speaker 1: no matter what the said purpose of the organizers are,
[8:05] Speaker 1: you can't control everyone who's in a protest. I've said
[8:07] Speaker 1: this about a lot of different protests, ones that at
[8:11] Speaker 1: core I agree or disagree with. But the reality is
[8:14] Speaker 1: when you take to the streets, you cannot control whoever
[8:17] Speaker 1: is on the fringes, and whoever's on the fringes ends
[8:19] Speaker 1: up being the focus of how the protest went. That's
[8:21] Speaker 1: just the way it works. But again, this lie that somehow,
[8:27] Speaker 1: if Pauline Hanson got anywhere near power, be it through
[8:29] Speaker 1: the Senate or anywhere else, that a mass deportation of
[8:33] Speaker 1: hundreds of kids at her school would happen. The position
[8:38] Speaker 1: of one nation is the same position as the opposition,
[8:41] Speaker 1: and presumably the position of the government, which is that
[8:44] Speaker 1: if you are here beyond the terms of your visa,
[8:47] Speaker 1: then you have to go home. We do not have
[8:51] Speaker 1: an open border system here. There is no one that
[8:54] Speaker 1: is close to government who is arguing for it. And
[8:57] Speaker 1: while the ideal world is that if you can get here,
[8:59] Speaker 1: you can stay here, we saw what happened last time,
[9:03] Speaker 1: and remember when people after two thousand and seven thought okay,
[9:07] Speaker 1: we've done the hard yards, let's open our hearts. When
[9:10] Speaker 1: it comes to the boats, tens of thousands of people
[9:15] Speaker 1: thought that the theory was if you could get here,
[9:16] Speaker 1: you can stay here. Remember, more than a thousand people
[9:21] Speaker 1: died as a result of that system. It is the
[9:25] Speaker 1: cruelest thing possible to pretend that if you can get here,
[9:30] Speaker 1: no matter how you get here, you can stay here.
[9:32] Speaker 1: People will die as a result of it. Again, think
[9:36] Speaker 1: what you like about paulind Hanson as an adult or
[9:39] Speaker 1: as a kid, you have every right to be fired up.
[9:41] Speaker 1: I was very political as a kid. I'm not going
[9:42] Speaker 1: to pretend that I wasn't. But the idea that we
[9:46] Speaker 1: must march on Thursday, or the evil lady from Queensland
[9:49] Speaker 1: is going to turn up with a van and start
[9:52] Speaker 1: throwing kids in the back of it, it's just rubbish.
[9:55] Speaker 1: It's just not true. Again, inside the interview, it teaches
[10:01] Speaker 1: many of them agreed with what of course, why wouldn't they.
[10:03] Speaker 1: As we have shown you before, there's groups of Victorian
[10:05] Speaker 1: socialists openly saying socialist in our schools. So now wonder
[10:11] Speaker 1: where they get it from. Now, wonder where the echo
[10:13] Speaker 1: comes from But seriously, I do not believe that it
[10:16] Speaker 1: will turn the tide. But we'll all wait, watch and see.
[10:19] Speaker 1: You would have thought that if this was so urgent
[10:21] Speaker 1: that you can take time off school this week, you
[10:22] Speaker 1: would have done it last week, last month, or even
[10:24] Speaker 1: when the poll numbers started to change last year on
[10:28] Speaker 1: and O. But it's only now because she's been to
[10:30] Speaker 1: the National pres Club that she has been legitimized by
[10:34] Speaker 1: the fifth stom Okay, Now, no matter who the premiere
[10:39] Speaker 1: is in Victoria, be it the hopeless to Center Allen
[10:42] Speaker 1: or the fast becoming hopeless Ben Carroll, this bloke, we
[10:46] Speaker 1: know everything he doesn't stand for, but what does he
[10:48] Speaker 1: stand for? Crime remains a problem, a major problem, a
[10:52] Speaker 1: problem that is changing the makeup of people who are
[10:55] Speaker 1: going to vote on this issue alone at the upcoming
[11:01] Speaker 1: Victorian election. Now you may recall there was an attack
[11:05] Speaker 1: on a grosser. This is distressing footage. I'm sorry to
[11:08] Speaker 1: show it to you, but he was a man who
[11:10] Speaker 1: was set upon and ended up losing his life. A
[11:17] Speaker 1: terrible situation. Again, here is a description of what took
[11:21] Speaker 1: place on that date.
[11:23] Speaker 4: The sixty year old was set upon by a group
[11:25] Speaker 4: of teenagers allegedly stealing from a clothing store to fourteen
[11:30] Speaker 4: year old girls and a twelve year old boy have
[11:33] Speaker 4: been charged with assault related offenses and are back on
[11:36] Speaker 4: the streets after being granted bail yesterday. The thirteen year
[11:40] Speaker 4: old boy initially arrested had his charges dropped, while a
[11:43] Speaker 4: fifteen year old boy had his charges upgraded to manslaughter.
[11:49] Speaker 1: So normally when you see people taking to the streets,
[11:51] Speaker 1: so in this case when it comes to a crime
[11:54] Speaker 1: or at least been willing to talk about it. They
[11:58] Speaker 1: are people who have lived in a in you for
[12:00] Speaker 1: a very long time. Now there is a new group
[12:02] Speaker 1: of people who haven't lived in the Melbourne community for
[12:04] Speaker 1: some period of time. But they called around Channel nine
[12:07] Speaker 1: and got them to come around because they had a
[12:09] Speaker 1: giant protest today. This will move votes regardless of which
[12:13] Speaker 1: way people voted at the last election. They have had.
[12:17] Speaker 4: Enough their message taking shape one sign at a time.
[12:23] Speaker 5: This code really, I think meet the need of a
[12:26] Speaker 5: lot of people who would like to say in that
[12:30] Speaker 5: fields enough people want to have a change.
[12:35] Speaker 1: In strength of their arm. They were there about one
[12:37] Speaker 1: hundred of them protesting today.
[12:39] Speaker 3: We feel disappointed. All our comedies are very disappointed.
[12:43] Speaker 6: With the law.
[12:43] Speaker 5: A lot of people must agree that bill system now
[12:48] Speaker 5: is too generous. I think too easy for people or
[12:53] Speaker 5: to commit crime and then get on Bill.
[12:56] Speaker 1: One percent one hundred percent. Now, Man Carroll is playing
[13:01] Speaker 1: a big pr game at the moment where he's inviting
[13:04] Speaker 1: lots of reporters into his office, a lot of little
[13:07] Speaker 1: profile and puff pieces, the first time people being able
[13:09] Speaker 1: to do interviews in the Premier's office since the dark
[13:12] Speaker 1: days of Andrews of the not so recent past. Of course,
[13:17] Speaker 1: when it comes to Jacinta Allen. But this bloke is
[13:21] Speaker 1: proving to be quite a slippery fish because remember last
[13:25] Speaker 1: week when the eight year eight year corruption inquiry that
[13:28] Speaker 1: I was critical of last week because it found no corruption.
[13:32] Speaker 1: He talked about gray corruption. I've told you before about
[13:34] Speaker 1: what gray corruption is, which is where any and every
[13:37] Speaker 1: one over thirty years that the government can appoint ends
[13:39] Speaker 1: up becoming loyal to the government and the party of
[13:42] Speaker 1: government more so than the people that they are working for. Now,
[13:46] Speaker 1: that report was released at nine to thirty in the morning,
[13:49] Speaker 1: which was exactly the last time that Ben Carroll did
[13:52] Speaker 1: a press conference, and because he was doing it at
[13:54] Speaker 1: the time that the report was being released, This is
[13:58] Speaker 1: the last public comment we have seen from Ben Carroll.
[14:01] Speaker 1: And this didn't happen yesterday, didn't happen the day before.
[14:03] Speaker 1: This happened towards the middle of last week.
[14:07] Speaker 7: I have not read the report. I will be reading
[14:09] Speaker 7: the report tonight. It has been tabled in the Parliament
[14:12] Speaker 7: while i'm here. I'm going to read the report carefully.
[14:15] Speaker 7: I'm going to study it and give the Victorians the
[14:18] Speaker 7: action and the answers they deserve. What I can answer
[14:22] Speaker 7: for is what we do from here, and that is
[14:25] Speaker 7: reading this report carefully.
[14:26] Speaker 8: Did you time this press conference specifically to avoid taking
[14:29] Speaker 8: questions on this matter?
[14:31] Speaker 9: You knew it was being tabled at nine point thirty
[14:33] Speaker 9: this morning.
[14:34] Speaker 7: No, this was always in my diary.
[14:38] Speaker 1: You could almost see the smile if you're really really
[14:39] Speaker 1: paying attention there. This is all too clever by half. Remember,
[14:43] Speaker 1: the divide in Australia is not necessarily left and right.
[14:45] Speaker 1: It's about whether you pay attention or they don't. They
[14:49] Speaker 1: hope that the majority of Australians do not pay attention,
[14:51] Speaker 1: that the majority of Victorians are not paying attention. And
[14:55] Speaker 1: while Ben Carroll they protest that he is oh so
[14:58] Speaker 1: different than the PREMI past. The reality is the slick
[15:02] Speaker 1: media games, not engaging with reality, hoping that reality you
[15:06] Speaker 1: can just change because you say it so means it's
[15:10] Speaker 1: just a new captain for what we hope is a
[15:13] Speaker 1: sinking ship. And meantime, about the finances of Victoria. Even
[15:19] Speaker 1: taxpayer media cannot hide the reality of debt. These are
[15:23] Speaker 1: the numbers the ABC put up when they were having
[15:25] Speaker 1: a look at the debt. You can see going up
[15:28] Speaker 1: is not good and it ain't coming down anytime soon.
[15:31] Speaker 1: So a third party group has decided to release an
[15:34] Speaker 1: ad where the metaphor for debt is a tsunami of debt.
[15:38] Speaker 1: You may see this online in the next couple of weeks.
[15:42] Speaker 10: Without a plan to clean up and pay back the debt,
[15:44] Speaker 10: it will smash or we've built and who'll have to
[15:47] Speaker 10: pay our children.
[15:51] Speaker 1: A fair amount of AI. But that one's going to
[15:53] Speaker 1: be somewhere in your feed sometime soon. Now about other
[15:58] Speaker 1: people's money, we know the Prime Minister and the Treasurer.
[16:00] Speaker 1: Of course, prime Minister back from the week that he
[16:02] Speaker 1: desperately needed because he hadn't had a week off all year.
[16:05] Speaker 1: Remember he couldn't possibly go to the Garma Festival, but
[16:07] Speaker 1: he was there at a multicultural business event in Melbourne
[16:12] Speaker 1: over the weekend. Priorities, Prime Minister, priorities and as we know,
[16:15] Speaker 1: the growth of government under this mob has been exponential,
[16:19] Speaker 1: more football stadiums, of people working for the federal government.
[16:22] Speaker 1: Why triangle of dependence. I'll get to that in a second,
[16:25] Speaker 1: but this is worth showing you here, which is the
[16:27] Speaker 1: growth in public service. The analysis but the Australian Public
[16:31] Speaker 1: Service employment data and budget papers reveal a surgeon bureaucrats
[16:34] Speaker 1: appointed to regulatory roles you know, competere f nay. Since
[16:39] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister won the twenty twenty two election, Chris
[16:42] Speaker 1: Bowen's Department of Climate Change, Energy, Environment Water, there of
[16:45] Speaker 1: course the chief pen pushes at the moment. After the
[16:48] Speaker 1: Abanneze government abolished average staffing level caps and hired more
[16:51] Speaker 1: bureaucrats under the guise of bringing core work back in house,
[16:56] Speaker 1: the public services swelled to two hundred thousand staff, one
[17:00] Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen thousand, three hundred were women, seventy six
[17:05] Speaker 1: thousand were men, and those who identify as gender X
[17:09] Speaker 1: less than a thousand. Campbell remains the hot spot for
[17:13] Speaker 1: Australia's public bureaucracy seventy thousand of the two hundred thousand,
[17:18] Speaker 1: but there's still plenty spread around the country. Into Melbourne
[17:21] Speaker 1: a football stadium, into Sydney a football stadium, into Brisbane
[17:25] Speaker 1: of football stadium, into Adelaide a smaller but still significant
[17:29] Speaker 1: football stadium. Why because that's where the work needs to
[17:32] Speaker 1: be done. No, no, no, no, because the triangle of
[17:35] Speaker 1: dependence needs to grow. The more jobs working for the
[17:39] Speaker 1: government in as many places as possible means no one
[17:42] Speaker 1: rocks the boat. You keep re electing the government. More
[17:44] Speaker 1: people with their handout from the government means you never
[17:47] Speaker 1: rock the boat. More business whose biggest client is the
[17:50] Speaker 1: government means no one rocks the boat. Hence, why the
[17:54] Speaker 1: spending of other people's money not the big priority that
[17:58] Speaker 1: we would all know it to better, Because it's just
[18:00] Speaker 1: a debt atm right. Nine to ten of the smallest
[18:05] Speaker 1: NDIS planned managers have flagged over integrity concerns. This was
[18:13] Speaker 1: the Minister today in an interview with my colleague Andrew Clanell.
[18:17] Speaker 1: Nine out of ten of the smallest NDIS plan managers
[18:20] Speaker 1: have been flagged for potential fraud or integrity concerns. The
[18:24] Speaker 1: scheme estimated to be losing four billion dollars a year
[18:28] Speaker 1: to fraud. How is this still going on? It is
[18:33] Speaker 1: a fault in the design, not just the execution. Here
[18:36] Speaker 1: is the Minister on our earlier today.
[18:39] Speaker 9: There are real harms that arise from delay. There is
[18:42] Speaker 9: too much fraud in this game, and every week that
[18:45] Speaker 9: goes by sees more and more money lost to fraudsters
[18:49] Speaker 9: and chanks that should be going to people with disability.
[18:53] Speaker 1: Yes, but whose job is it to shake that tree?
[18:56] Speaker 1: Whose job is it to double check? Whose job is
[18:59] Speaker 1: it of the two hundred thousand people working for the
[19:02] Speaker 1: federal government, whose job is it to double check? Not
[19:06] Speaker 1: what people are claiming, Because the people who are the
[19:08] Speaker 1: recipients of the scheme are not my focus. The people
[19:11] Speaker 1: who are charging the scheme is my focus. The capacity
[19:16] Speaker 1: of the government to rid itself of billions of dollars
[19:19] Speaker 1: of fraud. Where is the interest in doing it? None? Zero,
[19:24] Speaker 1: because not one of the two hundred thousand people who
[19:26] Speaker 1: work for the federal government have as their job saving
[19:29] Speaker 1: other people's money. That doesn't exist. Instead, it's new ways
[19:35] Speaker 1: to spend the money and to guarantee that you spend
[19:37] Speaker 1: more than you did last year because you don't want
[19:40] Speaker 1: to give up on a dollar that's already been promised
[19:42] Speaker 1: again to the people who are at the bottom of
[19:44] Speaker 1: the scheme, the ones who need the scheme. This is
[19:46] Speaker 1: not about them. But we are losing the plot here.
[19:50] Speaker 1: Four billion dollars a year in fraud in the ndis
[19:55] Speaker 1: this is a disgrace, bordering on a royal commission. Dare
[19:58] Speaker 1: I say, but as if they that's going to be
[20:00] Speaker 1: happening any time soon. Now. You may have noticed that
[20:05] Speaker 1: the government was trying to get the theme out that
[20:07] Speaker 1: this week was all about immigration. Towards the end of
[20:10] Speaker 1: last week there was going to be a speech by
[20:12] Speaker 1: Tony Burke. But well that didn't happen, but the briefing
[20:15] Speaker 1: to the media did.
[20:16] Speaker 2: Ellia's visa system could soon be overhauled.
[20:19] Speaker 3: I mean a growing push to bring down that migration.
[20:22] Speaker 9: The government is said to be considering reforms to lower
[20:26] Speaker 9: net overseas migration, with some suggestions that includes title rules
[20:30] Speaker 9: for family and partner.
[20:31] Speaker 10: Visas, finalizing broad sweeping reforms to reach the budget's targets
[20:35] Speaker 10: of cutting net overseas migration to two hundred and forty
[20:38] Speaker 10: five thousand this financial year.
[20:41] Speaker 1: You he cut, you hurd cut, you heard cut right. Well,
[20:44] Speaker 1: when all of this was first announced, there of course
[20:46] Speaker 1: was the decision for the Immigration Minister, the Home Affairs
[20:50] Speaker 1: Minister to not turn up at the National Press Club
[20:52] Speaker 1: and play that home game. We were told it was
[20:53] Speaker 1: because the Prime Minister wanted to be part of it.
[20:56] Speaker 1: But apparently, according to the reporting of James Campbell today,
[20:59] Speaker 1: many inside the Labor Party, as soon as they hit
[21:01] Speaker 1: the word cut and migration they hit the roof. So
[21:04] Speaker 1: this morning, the one you can better on the information
[21:07] Speaker 1: that is that of Andrew Clanel says no cut overall.
[21:10] Speaker 1: So all the spin was for a speech that never happened,
[21:14] Speaker 1: for a thing that won't be happening.
[21:18] Speaker 10: Here's what I can tell you about this immigration announcement.
[21:22] Speaker 10: This is not about a change in the migration numbers
[21:25] Speaker 10: set in the budget, which is taking that migration a
[21:28] Speaker 10: year from about three hundred thousand down to two hundred
[21:31] Speaker 10: and twenty thousand.
[21:32] Speaker 1: It's about how to get there.
[21:35] Speaker 10: We also once see a change in the permanent migration numbers,
[21:38] Speaker 10: which sit at one hundred and eighty five thousand a year,
[21:41] Speaker 10: including one hundred and thirty two thousand skilled stream places.
[21:45] Speaker 1: All noise, no change, relaxed voters there'll be no change,
[21:50] Speaker 1: but we made sure for a couple of days for
[21:52] Speaker 1: the couple of people that are half paying attention. Remember
[21:54] Speaker 1: the divide not left and right, whether you pay attention
[21:56] Speaker 1: or not. The Albaneze government will not cut migration figures
[22:01] Speaker 1: ahead of the announcement from the Immigration Minister Tony Burke
[22:05] Speaker 1: the I looming migration overhaul WI target. These are overstayers,
[22:08] Speaker 1: you know, the people that they're going to be marching
[22:10] Speaker 1: in the streets for against Pauling Hanson. Apparently they might
[22:13] Speaker 1: need to be doing it for the Prime Minister. But
[22:15] Speaker 1: all of this is not going to change anything. Tim Wilson,
[22:17] Speaker 1: the Shadow Treasurer, had plenty to say about it when
[22:20] Speaker 1: he was on here today.
[22:22] Speaker 8: What I'd been open to considering is a plan if
[22:25] Speaker 8: it was actually publicly released. As we know, during the
[22:28] Speaker 8: week Tony Burke was scheduled to give a National Press
[22:31] Speaker 8: Club speech.
[22:31] Speaker 3: He had to abort that speech.
[22:33] Speaker 8: The Prime Minister had clearly overridden him and they haven't
[22:36] Speaker 8: come up with their own plans. But we've said consistently
[22:39] Speaker 8: will support a cut in migration.
[22:42] Speaker 1: Now I'm not going to show you for the four
[22:44] Speaker 1: hundredth time, but you have seen it too many times.
[22:47] Speaker 1: And by that I mean it is so offensive that
[22:49] Speaker 1: all of us wish we never saw it. But you
[22:51] Speaker 1: have seen the supposed sketch where sexual violence was being
[22:58] Speaker 1: fantasized about upon Genna Rehinhoudt. It is disgusting. It is
[23:02] Speaker 1: a criminal act. There is no way they should have
[23:04] Speaker 1: got off the drawing board alone, through the edit suite alone,
[23:07] Speaker 1: going to air, but it did, you may recall, towards
[23:11] Speaker 1: the end way too long, Like almost a month after
[23:13] Speaker 1: this thing started, the ABC finally said sorry.
[23:18] Speaker 7: More turmoil at the ABC tonight, with managing director Hu
[23:21] Speaker 7: Mark's publicly apologizing to Gena Reinhart.
[23:24] Speaker 11: Managing director of the ABC has officially apologized.
[23:28] Speaker 9: The ABC has apologized to mining magnate Gena Reinhart over
[23:32] Speaker 9: an episode of Race around the World.
[23:35] Speaker 1: I'm going to get the mining reference in there. Ooh scary. Now.
[23:40] Speaker 1: What I find particularly outrageous about this is that, even
[23:44] Speaker 1: though the matter is no longer available on the internet,
[23:47] Speaker 1: despite the fact that there has been an apology, the
[23:50] Speaker 1: official ruling inside the ABC was nothing to see here,
[23:53] Speaker 1: don't say sorry and keep it on air. The ombardsman.
[23:57] Speaker 1: I actually read the report over the weekend and this
[23:59] Speaker 1: is the this unbelievable. Remember how violent this thing is.
[24:04] Speaker 1: You almost have to play it again for everyone to understand.
[24:06] Speaker 1: But you, I'm taking for granted, have seen and heard
[24:09] Speaker 1: this thing hav In regard to the program's format, the
[24:12] Speaker 1: filmmakers established creative style, the surreal and hyperbolic nature of
[24:16] Speaker 1: the film, the absence of any visual depiction of violence,
[24:19] Speaker 1: so you can just say what you're going to do
[24:21] Speaker 1: to people and it's okay, and the criticism expressed by
[24:24] Speaker 1: their judging panel. The Obardsman concluded that a reasonable audience
[24:28] Speaker 1: member would be likely to understand the remarks were part
[24:30] Speaker 1: of a satirical and exaggerated commentary rather than as a
[24:34] Speaker 1: genuine caller, endorsement or encouragement for violence. Are you serious?
[24:40] Speaker 1: This never should have made it out of the first break.
[24:46] Speaker 1: Now again, I'm saying about any public figure, you cannot
[24:49] Speaker 1: say this. You cannot, under the guise of satire, say well,
[24:56] Speaker 1: here's the most violent thing I can possibly say about
[24:58] Speaker 1: another human being. Only no, no, that doesn't work. Liked, there's
[25:01] Speaker 1: not some magical school yard game. This goes on in
[25:07] Speaker 1: that context the satirical treat Satirical treatment provided sufficient editorial
[25:12] Speaker 1: justification for the content, and the segment did not breach
[25:15] Speaker 1: the ABC's editorial standards related to harm and offense. Again,
[25:20] Speaker 1: if you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.
[25:22] Speaker 1: If you haven't, we where have you been? But fed
[25:24] Speaker 1: InCom there are no standards if this is not in
[25:28] Speaker 1: breach of them, and no doubt this will return into
[25:31] Speaker 1: some sort of titanic media war between them and there.
[25:34] Speaker 1: I don't care in the same way that I could, should,
[25:38] Speaker 1: would not even consider what was done on that program.
[25:45] Speaker 1: I would not find it hilarious about any person, whether
[25:48] Speaker 1: I loved them or disliked them. It is a disgrace
[25:51] Speaker 1: what went to air. It is a disgrace. What went
[25:54] Speaker 1: to air? We say, sorry, you can't find it anymore,
[25:57] Speaker 1: but technically nothing to see you ridiculous? All right, No
[26:02] Speaker 1: sooksno lefties, That's what we'll take it in a moment
[26:04] Speaker 1: or two's time. Here lots to discuss, lots of debate,
[26:07] Speaker 1: and again looking forward to this, We're also going to
[26:09] Speaker 1: have a chat about this immigration plan that isn't really
[26:12] Speaker 1: a plan to cut immigration? Is it a con Yes,
[26:16] Speaker 1: we'll explain why. Next. What did I tell you? No sook,
[26:23] Speaker 1: snow lefties? To make that all come true with none
[26:25] Speaker 1: of than a wonderful Christian apron running as an independent
[26:27] Speaker 1: and the seat of Frankston in the Victorian election. And
[26:29] Speaker 1: her buddy on a Sunday night is none than the
[26:31] Speaker 1: wonderful Lee Hanson, who we hope is on our way
[26:33] Speaker 1: to the set into the meantime, she is doing her
[26:35] Speaker 1: best to get as many Tasmanians connected to one nation
[26:38] Speaker 1: as possible. Loved you see you both, ladies. So what
[26:41] Speaker 1: a surprise Lee, that we were that the media was
[26:44] Speaker 1: briefed towards the end of last week that a major
[26:46] Speaker 1: cut in immigration is coming. Then the speech never happens,
[26:49] Speaker 1: Then the cut in migration isn't happening. What a giant
[26:52] Speaker 1: surprise that. Again those paying attention realize they're full of it.
[26:56] Speaker 1: Those that aren't go, well, no, Labor's doing something about it.
[27:03] Speaker 11: Here we go again, right, So Labour's in a real predicament.
[27:07] Speaker 11: They can't even agree to internally within their own party
[27:10] Speaker 11: whether Tony Burke should get up and talk about it
[27:12] Speaker 11: or what their policy is. But we obviously know that
[27:17] Speaker 11: Labor don't want to admit their failings. That's the key
[27:21] Speaker 11: point here, Paul, is they don't want to admit that
[27:23] Speaker 11: they have significantly contributed to the problem and the system
[27:27] Speaker 11: that we have in immigration currently this country. You know,
[27:30] Speaker 11: if we look at the figures, so between twenty two
[27:32] Speaker 11: and twenty five, net immigration levels that come into this
[27:36] Speaker 11: country were eighty one percent above the forecasted budget. We've
[27:41] Speaker 11: currently and we've just discovered that graduate students, we've currently
[27:45] Speaker 11: got over two hundred and seventy thousand graduate students in
[27:48] Speaker 11: this country, and of those, thirty percent of them are
[27:52] Speaker 11: their relatives who come into this country. Now they're to
[27:55] Speaker 11: stay on and once they've completed their degree, which can
[27:58] Speaker 11: be any degree, work within this country. But they're residing
[28:02] Speaker 11: within our capital cities, so not in the regional rural
[28:04] Speaker 11: areas where we need these jobs or these workforces as well.
[28:07] Speaker 11: Then we've got coursehoppers. Then we've got the Admin Review
[28:11] Speaker 11: Tribunal with a backlog of bridging visas and and what
[28:18] Speaker 11: do you call it, the temperate projection visa now it's
[28:20] Speaker 11: gone near yep. And then we've got alleggal immigrants in
[28:25] Speaker 11: excess of seventy five thousand this country. And the interesting
[28:29] Speaker 11: one that I find as well is in twenty three,
[28:32] Speaker 11: twenty four the do you know how many skilled migrants
[28:37] Speaker 11: will actually trades people when we have a housing crisis
[28:40] Speaker 11: in this country? Less than one.
[28:42] Speaker 1: Percent, buggarl exactly.
[28:44] Speaker 11: Less than one percent, which is phenomenal. So they've got
[28:48] Speaker 11: their head buried in the sand. They've significantly contributed this problem,
[28:51] Speaker 11: and they need to stand up and do what's right,
[28:54] Speaker 11: and they need to talk about the elephant in the room,
[28:56] Speaker 11: and we need to get it right.
[28:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, Kristen. Right. We've had a version
[29:01] Speaker 1: of this conversation a few times now. But the fact
[29:04] Speaker 1: that the government tries to dress it up that they're
[29:06] Speaker 1: going to do something reality, they're not going to do anything. Instead,
[29:09] Speaker 1: the announcement is going to be about process. How very labor.
[29:14] Speaker 6: Yeah, it's you know that song where they go, I
[29:17] Speaker 6: spin you right round, baby, right around. That's what's happening here.
[29:22] Speaker 6: And look, I do think that part of this is
[29:24] Speaker 6: democracy at work now that it's turned into a three
[29:27] Speaker 6: horse phrase rather than two horse rays. Labor is actually
[29:31] Speaker 6: looking at their immigration policy. So you know, on the
[29:34] Speaker 6: one hand, society is actually able to start to make
[29:36] Speaker 6: the changes that we need, but they are going to
[29:39] Speaker 6: spin it because I read a quote in the Sydney
[29:41] Speaker 6: Morning Herald today and it said without faster access to
[29:45] Speaker 6: skilled migrants, labor shortages will put broad national economy at risk.
[29:50] Speaker 6: Now that is what they are going to come after
[29:53] Speaker 6: one nation for They're going to say, well, we're going
[29:55] Speaker 6: to go through a skills shortage if one nation are
[29:58] Speaker 6: able to get up. And they're going to try this
[30:00] Speaker 6: spin and the lead up for the state election. And
[30:02] Speaker 6: they're also going to spin the deportation that they're trying
[30:06] Speaker 6: to do as overstayers, because that's the sexy way to
[30:10] Speaker 6: do it rather than saying deportation. And they're going to
[30:13] Speaker 6: try and label one nation as you know, Trump pest
[30:16] Speaker 6: well of it all.
[30:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean look, we saw this of this
[30:19] Speaker 1: rubbish that is being pushed around by some of the
[30:21] Speaker 1: kids that are going to take to the streets. And
[30:22] Speaker 1: again again if somebody wants to protest, good luck. But
[30:26] Speaker 1: if you think that the protest is going to change everything,
[30:29] Speaker 1: it's not going to change anything in my view when
[30:31] Speaker 1: it comes to this one. But again, at the heart
[30:33] Speaker 1: of things, he'll lead. You heard one of the student activists,
[30:36] Speaker 1: So hundreds of kids at my school are going to
[30:38] Speaker 1: be deported. You know, if that evil lady or that
[30:40] Speaker 1: evil party gets anywhere near power. Just not true. And again,
[30:44] Speaker 1: who has a problem with if you have overstayed your visa,
[30:48] Speaker 1: then either find a way to stay legally or tatar.
[30:53] Speaker 11: I'm curious to know how there's pudme hundreds and hundreds
[30:58] Speaker 11: of students in her school if you're elite, really really like,
[31:03] Speaker 11: come off it? And have we not heard about every
[31:07] Speaker 11: other political party or sorry, the top three now talking
[31:10] Speaker 11: about deporting I legal immigrants. So it's not just one nation,
[31:15] Speaker 11: it is every major party obviously in this country. And
[31:19] Speaker 11: I just it breaks my heart, Poul that the fact
[31:22] Speaker 11: that schools are meant to be for education and debate, right, yes, democracy, yes, education,
[31:27] Speaker 11: and yes debate, but it should not be a breeding
[31:31] Speaker 11: ground for political activism and socialism. You know, these kids
[31:37] Speaker 11: don't have any real world experience yet. And the fact
[31:41] Speaker 11: that she said that that mad or most of her
[31:43] Speaker 11: teachers support this is deeply, deeply concerning because it just
[31:48] Speaker 11: absolutely emphasizes of the ideology that is taught in these
[31:52] Speaker 11: schools that there isn't real unbiased debate. You know, she's
[31:57] Speaker 11: never had a business. She leaves that we're going to
[32:00] Speaker 11: deboard her to deport her school students, and she doesn't
[32:06] Speaker 11: believe Pauline Hatson supports or believes in democracies. You know,
[32:10] Speaker 11: if she actually sat down and had a conversation with
[32:14] Speaker 11: Senator Hanson, she might actually learn something rather than getting
[32:18] Speaker 11: out there. And it's just fostering hate and division, it
[32:21] Speaker 11: really is.
[32:22] Speaker 1: And again, look, if somebody wants to say I disagree
[32:25] Speaker 1: with them on this policy this policy and states the
[32:29] Speaker 1: actual policy, then okay, that's welcome to the discussion. It
[32:31] Speaker 1: comes make things up that the potential consequences here. Again, look,
[32:36] Speaker 1: you know, Kristin, that's a libertarian streak in me still says, Hey,
[32:40] Speaker 1: if you're a sixteen year old and you're paying tax,
[32:42] Speaker 1: well then you know taxation with that representation, maybe that
[32:45] Speaker 1: should maybe that's your way in as a voluntary voter.
[32:47] Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe right, But very clearly the Greens, etc.
[32:51] Speaker 1: Who want as many teenagers to be voting as possible,
[32:54] Speaker 1: wanted because it's this giant surge of hard left voting.
[32:57] Speaker 1: That's why they wanted to take place. What do you
[32:59] Speaker 1: think about this protest and whether it moves the needle
[33:02] Speaker 1: in which direction by one medimth of a degree.
[33:08] Speaker 6: Well, they do say that the younger you are, the
[33:09] Speaker 6: greener you are. But you do come out of school,
[33:12] Speaker 6: and you do come out of university with an idealistic
[33:15] Speaker 6: view everything I learned about my profession, which is human resources.
[33:19] Speaker 6: I came out into the workforce idealistic and then you realize, well,
[33:22] Speaker 6: it actually doesn't really work like that. So there is
[33:25] Speaker 6: a lot of learning that has to happen and education
[33:28] Speaker 6: along the way, and that's, you know, the reason why
[33:31] Speaker 6: you have wisdom in you know, the older years that
[33:34] Speaker 6: you have. But I do want to know who is
[33:37] Speaker 6: actually organizing these protests because she may be the face
[33:40] Speaker 6: of the protest, but you know, are your parents a
[33:43] Speaker 6: part of a political party? Are they union members? Is
[33:47] Speaker 6: it purely the school, because I don't think that they
[33:49] Speaker 6: could have gotten all those talking points down pat just
[33:53] Speaker 6: from social media. I think someone must be assisting them
[33:56] Speaker 6: in some way. And I think it seems like radicalization
[33:59] Speaker 6: of our youth as well. It doesn't matter whether you're
[34:01] Speaker 6: left or right, it's still radicalization.
[34:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, all right. In Victoria, they are going to
[34:06] Speaker 1: push on in the Parliament this week with the new
[34:09] Speaker 1: guaranteed legal right to be able to work from home
[34:12] Speaker 1: multiple days a week. Apparently it'll be a slightly more
[34:14] Speaker 1: business friendly version, but it is, of course the great
[34:17] Speaker 1: wage that's going into this Victorian election. Kristen, I'll start
[34:20] Speaker 1: with you this time, though. Do you think that this
[34:23] Speaker 1: is a successful way of the Labor Party being able
[34:25] Speaker 1: to save its own backside in what seems to be
[34:28] Speaker 1: the great flush that's on its way in November.
[34:32] Speaker 6: I do think that if they removed this, their polling
[34:35] Speaker 6: numbers would go down. Ben Carroll said, you know, they're
[34:38] Speaker 6: going to look at the policies and it's going to
[34:40] Speaker 6: be different under his government and all that kind of stuff,
[34:43] Speaker 6: and small businesses took a sigh of relief.
[34:46] Speaker 3: At that point.
[34:46] Speaker 6: They said, Okay, well maybe things are going to change slightly,
[34:50] Speaker 6: but the changes that's happened is so minuscule in comparison
[34:55] Speaker 6: to what is needed to happen that yes, small businesses
[34:59] Speaker 6: are saying, well, well, there's really no difference between him
[35:01] Speaker 6: and justinto Allen. It's a policy that is complex because
[35:06] Speaker 6: people want it. However, it doesn't really make sense for
[35:09] Speaker 6: our economy here in Victoria in any way, shape or form.
[35:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, Lee, I mean, look here's the reality, right, I'm
[35:14] Speaker 1: very aware what seven eight out of ten people hate
[35:17] Speaker 1: their job, right and any opportunity do not have to
[35:19] Speaker 1: interact with the people they work for. Okay, I'm an
[35:22] Speaker 1: office creature, unsurprisedly the man Cave. Well, it's in a
[35:25] Speaker 1: mystery location. I like being able to go to work.
[35:28] Speaker 1: I like that, I like interragging my colleagues all the
[35:30] Speaker 1: rest of it. Right, But I'm one of the lucky ones.
[35:32] Speaker 1: So I understand the political power in and around all
[35:35] Speaker 1: of this. But if Ben Carroll's just going to do
[35:37] Speaker 1: exactly what you Cina Allen did, and we've seen plenty
[35:39] Speaker 1: of evidence of that, good luck trying to tell them
[35:41] Speaker 1: that the government's changed in the past couple of weeks.
[35:47] Speaker 11: Same my voice is going now, Paul too, I'm sorry, mate,
[35:50] Speaker 11: same horse, different jockey, right, I don't know what's happening,
[35:54] Speaker 11: Same horse, different jockey. Nothing's changed, you know, this great
[35:58] Speaker 11: savior of the Labor Party to get them re elected
[36:01] Speaker 11: and come November, sadly, it's very quickly demonstrating that there's
[36:06] Speaker 11: no real change. And I feel for the businesses in Victoria.
[36:10] Speaker 11: And look, I have hr background too. I have definitely
[36:13] Speaker 11: dealt with, you know, particularly post COVID, trying to get
[36:16] Speaker 11: the workforce back into the office. I know firsthand the
[36:20] Speaker 11: benefits of people being in the work environment, the cultural
[36:23] Speaker 11: benefits that actually provide to that business, and the productivity
[36:27] Speaker 11: boost as well. Yes, there are circumstances where some flexibility
[36:33] Speaker 11: does support workers and particularly you know parents returning to
[36:37] Speaker 11: the work often maternityy for example, or illness. But it's
[36:41] Speaker 11: about giving a business choice. It's about having the flexibility
[36:46] Speaker 11: and majority of larger businesses and government bodies already have
[36:51] Speaker 11: this in place. So who's it really going to impact
[36:54] Speaker 11: the smaller businesses? And my personal opinion, it will destroy
[36:58] Speaker 11: small business. So it is a vote ticks, vote winner
[37:02] Speaker 11: for government workers and that's what they're aiming for, and
[37:06] Speaker 11: it's a crush for businesses.
[37:08] Speaker 1: And where does small business sit outside of the triangle
[37:10] Speaker 1: of dependency? And so I talk about it as frequently
[37:12] Speaker 1: as I do. All Right, a bold prediction for the
[37:14] Speaker 1: week ahead, Kristin Abram, What is it going to be?
[37:18] Speaker 6: My bold prediction is that we're going to actually start
[37:20] Speaker 6: to see the campaign against one nation that Labor is formulating.
[37:25] Speaker 6: I think it's going to come hard against their with
[37:27] Speaker 6: their immigration policies. When Anthony Albiniza gets back from leave
[37:31] Speaker 6: so yeah, watch your space all right late.
[37:36] Speaker 11: Parliament's resuming next week, so the children will come and play.
[37:40] Speaker 11: It shall be rather interesting. Look, I think immigration will
[37:45] Speaker 11: be a big topic, a big issue raised next week.
[37:48] Speaker 11: But I do not suspect Labor will take any ownership
[37:52] Speaker 11: whatsoever about the current situation. They'll continue to have their
[37:55] Speaker 11: head buried in the sand, and nor will they acknowledge it.
[37:58] Speaker 11: The pressure and white immigration is such a big issue
[38:02] Speaker 11: is because one nation keeps speaking up about it and
[38:04] Speaker 11: the vast populace want to see change. But we shall
[38:08] Speaker 11: wait and see.
[38:09] Speaker 1: Good stuff all the best rest of the voice. Believe me.
[38:11] Speaker 1: It only gets worse from here unless you're rested, and
[38:13] Speaker 1: then you'll be okay. Thank you guys, to appreciate a
[38:15] Speaker 1: quick break back with more nook stow lefties. It continues
[38:18] Speaker 1: now from a future senator to a current senator again
[38:21] Speaker 1: this great con from the Labor Party that most of
[38:24] Speaker 1: the media was happy to just feed your way by
[38:27] Speaker 1: your Tony Burke. You can bet the house on him,
[38:29] Speaker 1: can't you? More? In a sick John o'dunningham is a
[38:36] Speaker 1: Tasmanian senator. He is also the Shadow Home Affairs and
[38:39] Speaker 1: Immigration Minister and that's why we've got him on the
[38:41] Speaker 1: telly right now, because of course he's back in Canberra.
[38:44] Speaker 1: Love you to see a senator how you been?
[38:46] Speaker 12: You're not bad, Paul got to be back in Canberra.
[38:48] Speaker 12: Al though I do take what Lee Hanson said quite seriously.
[38:52] Speaker 3: It is a bit like play time again, you know.
[38:55] Speaker 12: Ever, Run's back here to make shenanigans, which is not
[38:58] Speaker 12: a good reflection on this place.
[38:59] Speaker 1: Sadly correct. All right, So we've been talking about it
[39:01] Speaker 1: all night because it is that damn important. There is
[39:04] Speaker 1: no accident about what happened last week. The government clearly
[39:08] Speaker 1: briefed out to a whole bunch of the media because
[39:10] Speaker 1: they regurgitated it dutifully as from the stenographers. They are
[39:15] Speaker 1: that there was going to be a cut to migration,
[39:16] Speaker 1: the big speech was coming. The speech never happened now,
[39:19] Speaker 1: either because the Prime Minister wanted it to happen, well
[39:21] Speaker 1: wouldn't they have worked that out before he went away
[39:23] Speaker 1: on holidays, or because there's some sort of backlash that's
[39:26] Speaker 1: been happening inside the Labor Party. And then the cherry
[39:28] Speaker 1: on top comes from Andrew Clenel today saying there'll be
[39:30] Speaker 1: no cut. There will be no cut whatsoever. So either
[39:34] Speaker 1: they didn't know what they were doing last week or
[39:35] Speaker 1: they were lying last week you.
[39:38] Speaker 12: Sir well, I call it cynical politics. So the capital
[39:42] Speaker 12: p maybe mixed in with a little bit of incompetence
[39:45] Speaker 12: there as well. I mean, it is odd that someone
[39:49] Speaker 12: like Tony Burke would have scheduled a long way out
[39:51] Speaker 12: his press club address to come and tell us what
[39:53] Speaker 12: they're going to do about immigration and the broken system
[39:56] Speaker 12: they've been presiding over and the numbers of people that
[39:58] Speaker 12: shouldn't be here that they been letting in, and then
[40:01] Speaker 12: suddenly it's not going ahead now. I have had readouts
[40:04] Speaker 12: from inside Labor where it strikes me that there was
[40:08] Speaker 12: a bit of disquiet on the left front of their
[40:11] Speaker 12: party around maybe going a bit too hard on these
[40:14] Speaker 12: poor margrants who come here under false pretenses, and they
[40:19] Speaker 12: thought they'd better real look back in. But at the
[40:22] Speaker 12: end of the day, I mean, I heard Jenny McAllister
[40:24] Speaker 12: on Andrew Clenell's program this morning, still banging on nearly
[40:29] Speaker 12: five years into their term under this mob, blaming the
[40:32] Speaker 12: last government, blaming the impacts of COVID. Sorry, you have
[40:36] Speaker 12: the leavers at your disposal. You can stop people at
[40:38] Speaker 12: the border. You can revoke visas, revoke passports, you can
[40:42] Speaker 12: send people home. That's what a government is supposed to do,
[40:44] Speaker 12: and they've got to get on and do it. I
[40:46] Speaker 12: have little faith that anything they say, anything they announced,
[40:49] Speaker 12: will make a jot of difference to this problem.
[40:52] Speaker 1: Do you know how many people we're talking about here now? Again,
[40:54] Speaker 1: I don't believe there's millions of people that are illegally
[40:56] Speaker 1: in the country, but do you have an idea about
[40:58] Speaker 1: the number of people who said they'd stay for two
[41:00] Speaker 1: weeks then they never went home. Do you know how
[41:03] Speaker 1: many people say they're here to study for a year
[41:05] Speaker 1: and then never go home. Do we know roughly how
[41:08] Speaker 1: many people were talking about it?
[41:11] Speaker 12: There's figures of between seventy and one hundred thousand bounces around,
[41:16] Speaker 12: of course, because there are some people that do actually
[41:19] Speaker 12: eventually return home. But you've got people who are gaining
[41:24] Speaker 12: the courts and the judicial system to be able to
[41:27] Speaker 12: extend whatever visa they were on into something else. Students
[41:32] Speaker 12: who come here complete their studies and then say, oh,
[41:34] Speaker 12: I'd like to go onto a bridging visa they declined,
[41:37] Speaker 12: and then of course they go through the system, and
[41:40] Speaker 12: that takes years so there are people who have exhausted
[41:43] Speaker 12: all of their appeal rights, and that's around last time
[41:46] Speaker 12: I checked, somewhere between forty and forty five thousand people.
[41:49] Speaker 12: They are people that could go home and should go
[41:52] Speaker 12: home tomorrow, and a system that is able to enforce
[41:55] Speaker 12: a government that actually is serious about what it's saying,
[41:58] Speaker 12: he would enforce those people departure from this country that
[42:02] Speaker 12: is forced removals.
[42:03] Speaker 3: There has got to be a way to do it.
[42:05] Speaker 3: They are not supposed to be here.
[42:07] Speaker 12: They are here illegally, they are probably costing the tax
[42:09] Speaker 12: payer money. They're probably working illegally as well. I would
[42:12] Speaker 12: have it a guess how else could they survive? They
[42:15] Speaker 12: do have to clamp down. There's no excuse for these.
[42:18] Speaker 1: I mean, we're also in this scenario where I understand
[42:21] Speaker 1: electoral politics and getting into seventy six seats, right, but
[42:24] Speaker 1: family reunion as an idea seems to be one where obviously,
[42:28] Speaker 1: if you sit here tonight and say, look, we need
[42:30] Speaker 1: to be tighter on family reunion, immediately the Prime Minister's
[42:33] Speaker 1: in Question time tomorrow saying that anyone who's got a
[42:36] Speaker 1: family that was born somewhere else, this evil a little
[42:39] Speaker 1: bit like I know how all this works, right, Where
[42:42] Speaker 1: is the biggest leakage in the system. Is there an
[42:45] Speaker 1: area where and I know you're about to leave politics,
[42:48] Speaker 1: but still you want to be loyal to the team.
[42:50] Speaker 1: Is there an area where there's an obvious leak we
[42:53] Speaker 1: need to deal with?
[42:56] Speaker 12: Will look in terms of if you're talking about the
[43:01] Speaker 12: problem with the migration system in terms of leakage there, Well, honestly,
[43:06] Speaker 12: I mean we've got to start from the ground up.
[43:09] Speaker 12: We've got a system that doesn't take into account capacity.
[43:12] Speaker 12: I mean this novel idea of figuring out how many
[43:14] Speaker 12: houses we have in this country and then perhaps looking
[43:17] Speaker 12: to set a number of people that come into the
[43:19] Speaker 12: country off the back of that, and then figuring out need.
[43:22] Speaker 12: And that need shouldn't just be skilled migrants coming here
[43:25] Speaker 12: to work and make a contribution. And my firm belief
[43:27] Speaker 12: is you shouldn't come here if you're not going to
[43:29] Speaker 12: make a contribution. But also students. We've got this problem
[43:33] Speaker 12: with international students and that is the pathway that most
[43:36] Speaker 12: people take to then gain the system and stay here
[43:40] Speaker 12: for a longer period of time. We've actually got to
[43:42] Speaker 12: be working with universities and vet providers and others to
[43:46] Speaker 12: ensure that we're bringing in people that are going to
[43:49] Speaker 12: take on skills.
[43:50] Speaker 3: That might actually be useful to us. This is the
[43:52] Speaker 3: one thing in.
[43:53] Speaker 12: The whole debate around migration pool that I feel like
[43:56] Speaker 12: everyone's too ashamed to say. It is not wrong for
[43:59] Speaker 12: us as a country to say we will choose you
[44:02] Speaker 12: and whether you come here or not based on what's
[44:05] Speaker 12: in our interests. Yes, we should be making decisions for
[44:08] Speaker 12: our country and that includes determining who's coming here, what
[44:13] Speaker 12: skills set they have, where they will live too. I mean,
[44:15] Speaker 12: not everyone can live in Sydney in Melbourne. You've got
[44:18] Speaker 12: to need doctors in Wogga Wogga, you need nurses in
[44:21] Speaker 12: wal We need to actually have a system that works properly,
[44:25] Speaker 12: and we've got a lot more to say about that
[44:27] Speaker 12: in the near future.
[44:27] Speaker 3: We're going to be very straightforward about this. It's not
[44:29] Speaker 3: a complex debate.
[44:31] Speaker 12: People overcook this, but I think that we can get
[44:33] Speaker 12: to the solutions we need to in a very simple way.
[44:36] Speaker 13: Now.
[44:36] Speaker 1: I don't want to take Australia down the track of
[44:39] Speaker 1: the excitement that is the inner workings of the Tasmanian
[44:41] Speaker 1: Liberal Party. But there was a decision made over the
[44:43] Speaker 1: weekend about whom will be taking your place when you
[44:45] Speaker 1: step out of the Senate. When will you be stepping
[44:48] Speaker 1: out of the Senate?
[44:50] Speaker 12: Well, I made a commitment to Angus that I'd finish
[44:53] Speaker 12: our migration policy because we need to get this right.
[44:55] Speaker 12: I think that Australians want us to actually do something
[44:59] Speaker 12: in this de bit that assists the.
[45:01] Speaker 3: Country going the right direction.
[45:03] Speaker 12: Guard labor there and I know one nation saying their
[45:06] Speaker 12: bit as well, So I've got to finish that. There's
[45:08] Speaker 12: a few bits and pieces like that I've said before
[45:11] Speaker 12: the end of the year is my plan. They've pre selected,
[45:14] Speaker 12: as you say, a couple of people that will replace
[45:16] Speaker 12: myself and Senator Wendy ask you who I think resigned
[45:19] Speaker 12: today as a matter of fact, and I do want
[45:22] Speaker 12: to give my success or a decent chance to go
[45:25] Speaker 12: out there and convince Tasmanians we are worth backing, and
[45:29] Speaker 12: I know we have a fight on our hands and
[45:31] Speaker 12: I'm committed to supporting them, albeit outside the Liberal team,
[45:36] Speaker 12: to make sure Australians know Tasmanians can know they can
[45:39] Speaker 12: back our team and we'll actually do something worthwhile to
[45:41] Speaker 12: get this country back on track.
[45:43] Speaker 1: Because I was going to do the full exit interview. Right,
[45:45] Speaker 1: but obviously I can have a couple of chats between
[45:47] Speaker 1: now and then, because I'm fascinated again as a person
[45:49] Speaker 1: who has given twenty five years to the Liberal Party,
[45:53] Speaker 1: so many years to the Senate, to the machine, about
[45:56] Speaker 1: what it's like looking back on that, not whether it's
[45:59] Speaker 1: worth it or not, because everyone involved in public service
[46:01] Speaker 1: has got way more courage than I have. White because
[46:03] Speaker 1: you put your name on a ballot paper, right, I
[46:05] Speaker 1: just I wave my fingers, right, But I'm always fascinated
[46:08] Speaker 1: to know what it's like. So before before you leave,
[46:10] Speaker 1: can we have a chat on the way out of
[46:11] Speaker 1: the door.
[46:12] Speaker 3: Love too.
[46:13] Speaker 12: I'd love to give you the warts and all of
[46:16] Speaker 12: what with my observations, especially when I don't have to
[46:19] Speaker 12: worry about pre selection or another election.
[46:21] Speaker 3: So very happy to do.
[46:22] Speaker 1: It, all right you, thank you, John, see John No,
[46:26] Speaker 1: I appreciate it very much. Of course. The shadow Immigration
[46:29] Speaker 1: and Home Affairs Minister quick break back with more. Yeah,
[46:31] Speaker 1: they're back to play in the big house. You pay
[46:33] Speaker 1: for it. But the social media it never stops. Oh
[46:36] Speaker 1: these people more in a second, all right, before we go,
[46:43] Speaker 1: we like to have a look at the fact that look,
[46:45] Speaker 1: you're about to go for another week of work, which
[46:47] Speaker 1: means you're going to pay more tax than you should.
[46:49] Speaker 1: It goes to politicians who have no interest in your life,
[46:52] Speaker 1: and of course they pay for social media videos to
[46:54] Speaker 1: be made by again tax payer funded staff. Is a
[46:57] Speaker 1: little segment we'd like to call while you were working
[47:00] Speaker 1: and even whether you were working or not working this weekend,
[47:02] Speaker 1: well we know what they were doing, and that is
[47:04] Speaker 1: promoting themselves like this online Here is cassanov Bowen and
[47:09] Speaker 1: he is cosplaying a farmer.
[47:12] Speaker 13: Farmers, this one's for you. A lot of farm's got
[47:14] Speaker 13: a lot of roof space, fairyshed sharing sheds that roos
[47:17] Speaker 13: bace could be reducing farmers' bills by having solar panels
[47:20] Speaker 13: on them. It's a good initiative to help farmers do
[47:23] Speaker 13: what they want to do, reduce their energy builds.
[47:27] Speaker 1: Now the people who represent what the community first, you
[47:31] Speaker 1: know the Teel independence, Well now they're finally admitted that
[47:34] Speaker 1: they're a party and they decided to get together to
[47:36] Speaker 1: say hey, join our party.
[47:38] Speaker 11: Man, we're politicians, so tell us why do you hate politicians.
[47:43] Speaker 11: We're starting a political party and trying to do it
[47:46] Speaker 11: really differently.
[47:47] Speaker 1: So how do we rebuild trus in decision making. Well,
[47:52] Speaker 1: first thing is I would do the video in one
[47:54] Speaker 1: of your actual electorates. Where they were doing that was
[47:58] Speaker 1: out of the front of the Imax in Sydney Hotel,
[48:00] Speaker 1: and that is in the seat of Sydney which is
[48:03] Speaker 1: represented by a tenure PLUPASEC. You would think there's a
[48:05] Speaker 1: lot of move from the eastern suburbs through to the
[48:08] Speaker 1: northern beaches of Sydney. Perhaps you could find your own beach,
[48:10] Speaker 1: But no, no, you're spreading out into enemy territory. Why do
[48:14] Speaker 1: we hate politicians because they make videos like this? How
[48:26] Speaker 1: was I just it's not even making content. Let's just
[48:29] Speaker 1: go how is this content? But it is and you
[48:35] Speaker 1: pay for it. We'll see you again tomorrow and hight.
[48:37] Speaker 1: The very latest edition of the News is coming up
[48:39] Speaker 1: right now at News twenty four

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