# Paul Murray Live | 22 October

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 22 Oct 2025, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/256b2a42-6c8f-44a2-b679-b37e00c30949/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

NSW knocks back more flood funding, blaming tight budgets, Chris Bowen fumes over Queensland keeping coal alive. Plus, a new poll shows Victorians have little appetite for Labor’s push for an Indigenous Treaty. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank
[0:06] Speaker 1: you so much for watching.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Now is it just me or have you heard a
[0:10] Speaker 2: term over and over and over again over the past
[0:14] Speaker 2: few days and everyone seems to know, but you've been
[0:19] Speaker 2: sort of saying, what is a critical mineral?
[0:23] Speaker 1: Tonight we're going to talk about that because everyone.
[0:25] Speaker 2: Oh, it is a very important, very important deal our
[0:28] Speaker 2: critical minerals. That is the feud.
[0:30] Speaker 1: That's how we will stop China.
[0:31] Speaker 2: I reckon, like at least half more have no idea
[0:37] Speaker 2: what they are. They've just got. Yes, it's the thing.
[0:39] Speaker 1: It is the widget.
[0:40] Speaker 2: It is the thing of which Sanos wants for the
[0:43] Speaker 2: snap at the end of the next Avengers film to anyway,
[0:47] Speaker 2: plus more than the fall out of the Prime Minister's
[0:49] Speaker 2: visit to the United States. Now I'll save you the sycophancy,
[0:54] Speaker 2: but the six PM year's reporting where the term triumphant
[0:58] Speaker 2: was used. Okay, look it.
[1:00] Speaker 1: Went well, it went well. I told you it months
[1:03] Speaker 1: and would go well, triumphant.
[1:06] Speaker 2: We've still got tariffs on us. It was an eight
[1:08] Speaker 2: billion dollar deal, not insignificant. We've still given him hundreds
[1:12] Speaker 2: of billions of dollars for submarine settled down well about that,
[1:15] Speaker 2: and a whole lot more with the Angie Bell part
[1:16] Speaker 2: of the Shadow Cabinet and we former Labor Cabinet minister
[1:20] Speaker 2: and our Stephen Conroy. We'll get to all of that
[1:22] Speaker 2: very very shortly. But for something that is not in
[1:25] Speaker 2: the mainstream tonight, but something that I do think you
[1:28] Speaker 2: need to know about now. For as long as I
[1:32] Speaker 2: have been a reporter and a broadcaster, I have seen
[1:36] Speaker 2: how the circle of natural disasters has worked. Now twenty
[1:42] Speaker 2: years ago, when something terrible took place, normally the politicians
[1:46] Speaker 2: would go nowhere near it until it was over, the
[1:49] Speaker 2: fire was put out, the people were starting to move
[1:52] Speaker 2: back into their house. But then that cycle has got
[1:55] Speaker 2: faster and faster and faster now where the politicians are
[1:59] Speaker 2: definitely there the next day. And as we saw with
[2:03] Speaker 2: some of the politicians like Jim Chalmers getting around with
[2:06] Speaker 2: his orange.
[2:07] Speaker 1: Vest, he was right in the middle of the disaster.
[2:11] Speaker 2: Well, I want to take your mind back to some
[2:13] Speaker 2: huge floods that you can see right now in May
[2:15] Speaker 2: of this year that were around the Taree region in
[2:19] Speaker 2: New South Wales. They were devastating, but they didn't seem
[2:24] Speaker 2: to get the wall to Wall coverage. They didn't get
[2:26] Speaker 2: the full prime ministerial visits, but of course they did
[2:29] Speaker 2: get the visit from the premiere. Now, I like Chris Mins,
[2:33] Speaker 2: and he has been generally pretty good when it comes
[2:35] Speaker 2: to these emergency events.
[2:39] Speaker 1: In fact, this is what he said.
[2:41] Speaker 2: In May while being there, you know, the couple of
[2:44] Speaker 2: hours after everything was going on.
[2:48] Speaker 3: We want the community back on its feet as soon
[2:50] Speaker 3: as possible. And we know agriculture is a big part
[2:52] Speaker 3: of the economy up here. It's a crucial part of
[2:55] Speaker 3: ensuring that not just for farmers but also for the
[2:59] Speaker 3: ancillary business and employees in town. So we're going to
[3:02] Speaker 3: be looking at that really closely.
[3:04] Speaker 2: Now, the truth about government, and we all know this,
[3:08] Speaker 2: is that the only decisions that end up on a
[3:11] Speaker 2: leader's desk, let's be honest, are generally sort of terrible sandwiches.
[3:15] Speaker 2: That's the nice way of putting it. But you know
[3:17] Speaker 2: what I'm saying, terrible sandwiches. Bad choice, A bad choice, B,
[3:20] Speaker 2: bad choice C. The ministers, if they can make the
[3:24] Speaker 2: easy decisions, are making it, and of course the bureaucrats
[3:27] Speaker 2: are making series of decisions beneath that. So if the
[3:33] Speaker 2: premier is true to his word, and I believe him
[3:35] Speaker 2: to be true to his word, then he needs to
[3:37] Speaker 2: reverse a decision which has been made somewhere in government
[3:41] Speaker 2: that doesn't hold up to the premise that when you
[3:45] Speaker 2: are the victim of a natural disaster, the government is
[3:47] Speaker 2: there for you and will be there for you for
[3:48] Speaker 2: a long time. Now May of this year is six
[3:51] Speaker 2: months ago, not two years ago. It's six months ago.
[3:55] Speaker 2: Today we learn that grants of up to twenty five
[3:58] Speaker 2: thousand dollars which have been made available to small businesses
[4:00] Speaker 2: are about to be turned off. The local MP who
[4:06] Speaker 2: has been writing and raising issues about this, Tanya Thompson,
[4:10] Speaker 2: will join us on the show a little bit later
[4:11] Speaker 2: because this is what she has heard back from the
[4:15] Speaker 2: relevant minister with the news not just to her, but
[4:18] Speaker 2: more importantly to the small businesses, including agriculture and all
[4:20] Speaker 2: those other people that you heard the premiere talk about.
[4:24] Speaker 2: And a letter to my Lake's MP Tanya Thompson on Monday,
[4:26] Speaker 2: Miss Saffron said she understood that many small businesses feel
[4:31] Speaker 2: they require further support now. In fairness to Miss Saffron,
[4:35] Speaker 2: she is from the upper North Coast of New South Wales,
[4:37] Speaker 2: so she knows the issues of recovery in and around
[4:39] Speaker 2: places like Lismore, but feel they require further support. No, no,
[4:44] Speaker 2: they just require further support. Minister. I have been an
[4:49] Speaker 2: advocate for ongoing support, says the minister. However, as you know,
[4:53] Speaker 2: we are operating in a challenging fiscal environment TODATE, our
[4:59] Speaker 2: advocacy has not been successful. I am sorry to inform
[5:02] Speaker 2: you of this, and I will of course keep you
[5:04] Speaker 2: updated on any progress made. So thanks very much for
[5:08] Speaker 2: the letter. But computer says no. I've tried to go
[5:13] Speaker 2: somewhere to say hey, can we find another computer, But
[5:16] Speaker 2: the minister says, Computer says no. That line is really
[5:20] Speaker 2: jarring to me that they feel that they require further support.
[5:26] Speaker 2: These are not businesses that are going to be taking
[5:28] Speaker 2: the twenty five thousand dollars that may well be available
[5:31] Speaker 2: to them and spending it on bonuses or a booze up.
[5:36] Speaker 2: It's about being able to either keep people employed, keep
[5:41] Speaker 2: the lights on, keep the doors open, keep the feed coming,
[5:46] Speaker 2: you name it. The reality is is that if we
[5:50] Speaker 2: are going to give politicians the endless upside of letting
[5:56] Speaker 2: them go to natural disaster areas and hold hands and
[6:00] Speaker 2: show how compassionate they are, then we have to keep
[6:04] Speaker 2: the hammer on them, the same media that gives them
[6:07] Speaker 2: that part of the cycle, keep the hammer on them
[6:10] Speaker 2: to make sure that the people that they purport to
[6:12] Speaker 2: care about so much so that they will go and
[6:14] Speaker 2: literally help them move the things out of their front yards,
[6:19] Speaker 2: that six months later their help is still there. They're
[6:23] Speaker 2: not everyone needs it, but for those who do, we've
[6:26] Speaker 2: got to do better than just turning the tap off
[6:28] Speaker 2: after six months. Right and while no doubt someone from
[6:32] Speaker 2: the Premier's office is writing an email to us now
[6:35] Speaker 2: about the availability of this grant and that grant, there clearly.
[6:38] Speaker 1: Is a problem here.
[6:40] Speaker 2: So out of respect for the people of Tare, I
[6:43] Speaker 2: need you to stick around all the way towards the
[6:45] Speaker 2: end of the show, to show to the premiere, to
[6:49] Speaker 2: the government, to the media in every state, in every city,
[6:54] Speaker 2: in every regional area of this country that it matters
[6:58] Speaker 2: six months on Because while I know we all live
[7:01] Speaker 2: busy lives, and the new cycle moves within a day
[7:05] Speaker 2: from one thing to another thing, to another thing to
[7:07] Speaker 2: another thing, and he goes, oh, that's right, that happened
[7:08] Speaker 2: six months ago. But for the people who are living it,
[7:14] Speaker 2: it's a different type of tough there's still issues in
[7:18] Speaker 2: and around liz More. And I'm not just talking about
[7:21] Speaker 2: from the Alfred stuff. I'm talking about from the way
[7:24] Speaker 2: back when of a couple of years ago. So please
[7:29] Speaker 2: stick around to the end of the show. We've got
[7:30] Speaker 2: a lot to talk about here. And again, benefit the
[7:33] Speaker 2: doubt I am trying to give here is to the premiere,
[7:35] Speaker 2: who when he hears this, when he sees this, works
[7:37] Speaker 2: out that this is something that we can do better with,
[7:40] Speaker 2: because we can do better with all of this now,
[7:46] Speaker 2: as we know, the most triumphant, greatest meeting in the
[7:49] Speaker 2: history of relationships between the Australian Prime Minister and the
[7:53] Speaker 2: American President took place in the past couple of days.
[7:57] Speaker 2: As I've mentioned before the sickliness of the Six Peers
[8:00] Speaker 2: news referring to it triumphantly. But of course, in many
[8:04] Speaker 2: ways the reason it was so triumphant was because they
[8:07] Speaker 2: never really talked about the stuff that we know they
[8:09] Speaker 2: disagree on, and I mean really disagree on, like this.
[8:15] Speaker 1: Climate change, climate change, climate change, climate change.
[8:18] Speaker 2: Climate change, climate change.
[8:19] Speaker 4: Climate change, climate change, climate change, climate change.
[8:23] Speaker 2: And despite the fact that for the Ambassador this was
[8:28] Speaker 2: the moral dilemma or whatever he put it, on the
[8:30] Speaker 2: great challenge of the twenty first century. Didn't bring it up, notice,
[8:33] Speaker 2: because you know it's not about that anymore. We've moved
[8:36] Speaker 2: on to something else. For the Prime Minister, he of
[8:39] Speaker 2: course says that if you don't believe in that zero,
[8:42] Speaker 2: you don't believe in climate change. And last time I checked,
[8:43] Speaker 2: the President doesn't believe in that zero.
[8:47] Speaker 5: If you don't support net zero, you don't support action
[8:50] Speaker 5: on climate change.
[8:51] Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. Well, of course, part of
[8:55] Speaker 2: the response to all of this has been people suggesting
[8:58] Speaker 2: that Australia can do. It's a bid to save the world,
[9:02] Speaker 2: even though they are we are one percent of the
[9:04] Speaker 2: world's problem. You know that, let's even be overly frightening
[9:08] Speaker 2: and say we're two percent of the world's problem. Just
[9:11] Speaker 2: feature proofing against inevitable complaints for pointing out the lack
[9:14] Speaker 2: of logic in and amounts some of this stuff.
[9:18] Speaker 1: Well, coal is a massive export for Australia. It is
[9:22] Speaker 1: one that.
[9:25] Speaker 2: Has long kept the lights on, has long been used
[9:28] Speaker 2: as an export to other parts of the world to
[9:31] Speaker 2: pull it out of poverty in India. And when Zelenski
[9:35] Speaker 2: asked of all of the things that Australia could do
[9:37] Speaker 2: to help in the war with Russia. Guess what the
[9:39] Speaker 2: thing was. He wanted coal. Now I get it, it
[9:42] Speaker 2: ain't perfect for the environment, but I also know that
[9:45] Speaker 2: people like the Greens believe that it should be turned
[9:48] Speaker 2: off because if we turn it off in Australia, then
[9:50] Speaker 2: we will, magically, with one percent of the world's problem,
[9:53] Speaker 2: be able to fix the weather forever. No more bush fires,
[9:57] Speaker 2: no more floods.
[9:59] Speaker 6: The government isn't looking at the costs of the damage
[10:01] Speaker 6: that those colon gas companies are doing to us all.
[10:04] Speaker 2: It's also what is speep is that if all of
[10:10] Speaker 2: the greeny groups get their way and your mining just
[10:13] Speaker 2: stopped tomorrow, apart from rare earth minerals, because remember that's
[10:17] Speaker 2: the thing, that's the only thing that matters. Now. I
[10:20] Speaker 2: just love how we move, you know, climate change, it's
[10:22] Speaker 2: so damn important. But we should have more mining. Okay,
[10:25] Speaker 2: what are our prime ministic? Can you pick a lane here?
[10:26] Speaker 1: Please?
[10:27] Speaker 2: The reality when it comes to mining a sector we
[10:30] Speaker 2: support because it keeps the country and the budgets of
[10:33] Speaker 2: this country federally alive. It employs so many people, wonderful,
[10:39] Speaker 2: big hearted people doing great things for our country. We
[10:42] Speaker 2: always have love the mineral sector. They pay about sixty
[10:46] Speaker 2: four b four billion dollars in tax from the royalties
[10:51] Speaker 2: of the state level, the federal level, the company tax,
[10:53] Speaker 2: the payroll tax. So if mining just went away the
[10:57] Speaker 2: way that the climate zealots would wish you to do,
[11:00] Speaker 2: somebody's going to have to find sixty billion dollars to
[11:02] Speaker 2: help pay for everything in this country. You can't just
[11:05] Speaker 2: all put it on the credit card and fingers cross.
[11:08] Speaker 2: China will never call in the debt, although that seems
[11:11] Speaker 2: to be the plan, with a budget deficit growing every
[11:15] Speaker 2: year for the next forty years one tribute dollars debt
[11:17] Speaker 2: today becoming two and even higher. But nothing to see here.
[11:25] Speaker 2: But interestingly, while Australia has this attitude towards coal, you
[11:29] Speaker 2: can't use it for electricity despite how well it has
[11:31] Speaker 2: worked in the past, and you can't give it to
[11:34] Speaker 2: Ukraine because it might keep the lights on. And some
[11:38] Speaker 2: kids say they go to a court and argue that
[11:41] Speaker 2: coal mining should be banned because of the future generations.
[11:46] Speaker 2: Guess what the world is using more of than ever before.
[11:51] Speaker 1: Coal?
[11:51] Speaker 2: You're right, you are a one hundred percent rightding prizes
[11:54] Speaker 2: for everyone. And that report does not come from the
[11:57] Speaker 2: minerals sector. It instead comes from aggressive climate change organizations.
[12:04] Speaker 2: The Systems Change Lab released a report today The Guardian
[12:10] Speaker 2: clutched its collective pearls while of course begging for money.
[12:14] Speaker 2: If you've ever been on their website, they asked for donations.
[12:16] Speaker 1: All the time.
[12:18] Speaker 2: Coal you hit a record high around the world last
[12:20] Speaker 2: year despite efforts to switch to clean energy, imperiling the
[12:24] Speaker 2: world's attempts to rain in global heating. The share of
[12:28] Speaker 2: coal in electricity generation dropped as renewable energies did surge ahead,
[12:32] Speaker 2: but the general increase in power demand meant that more
[12:37] Speaker 2: coal was used overall. According to the report that I
[12:40] Speaker 2: just mentioned. You see, that's the thing. The climate zealots
[12:46] Speaker 2: want everything to be electrified, but the systems have not
[12:50] Speaker 2: been built to electrify everything without using the old school
[12:55] Speaker 2: polluting technology in coal. Now better at it. They try
[13:01] Speaker 2: to get cleaner at it, but obviously no one's going
[13:02] Speaker 2: to pretend that there is such a concept of sort
[13:06] Speaker 2: of no emissions call. So I understand the issue here,
[13:10] Speaker 2: but don't you love every time someone gets sanctimonious about.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Australia and its lack of action.
[13:16] Speaker 2: That when you are looking opposite the President of the
[13:19] Speaker 2: United States, the guy running the country that has pulled
[13:24] Speaker 2: out of the Paris Accord, that will be able to
[13:27] Speaker 2: do ten times I think thirteen, but ten times more
[13:31] Speaker 2: damage to the climate than Australia will. You might bring
[13:34] Speaker 2: it up, but no, no, no. A triumphant meeting means
[13:40] Speaker 2: don't mention the war, the basil faulty approach to international diplomacy,
[13:45] Speaker 2: rare Earth's rare earths. All the media writes it down,
[13:47] Speaker 2: writes it down, and because they want to stick it
[13:50] Speaker 2: to everyone who's ever disagreed with this Prime minister or
[13:52] Speaker 2: the media who prop him up. Triumphant, triumphant, triumphant. It
[13:55] Speaker 2: either matters or it doesn't, right Chris Bowen, who didn't
[14:01] Speaker 2: go on the trip to the United States because you
[14:03] Speaker 2: know climate change of it all, don't believe in net zero,
[14:07] Speaker 2: then you don't believe in climate change. Thanks so much
[14:09] Speaker 2: for the support, mister President. I might put that in
[14:12] Speaker 2: my twenty twenty eight ads. Honestly, triumphant triumphant today, despite
[14:19] Speaker 2: the fact that there is more coal being used to
[14:22] Speaker 2: generate electricity for billions of people who do not live
[14:25] Speaker 2: in Australia, that a climate conference today, Climate and Energy
[14:31] Speaker 2: Conference today, Chris Bowen is of course ripping into the
[14:34] Speaker 2: Queens and government. Why because they are doing what the
[14:35] Speaker 2: rest of the world is doing, which is to keep
[14:37] Speaker 2: coal around for longer, not forever, but for longer. Why
[14:42] Speaker 2: because maybe, just maybe all the little spinning things and
[14:46] Speaker 2: all of the little shiny things may not actually be
[14:48] Speaker 2: able to do what needs to be done. And again
[14:53] Speaker 2: just a reminder, Australia is one percent of the world's problem.
[14:58] Speaker 2: If you look at the climate clock like midday, quarter past,
[15:01] Speaker 2: half past thirteen percent. The United States, not mentioned by
[15:08] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, introduced the mining tax, who said it
[15:12] Speaker 2: was the moral thing of the decade. Not mentioned by
[15:14] Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, who says, if you don't believe in it,
[15:16] Speaker 2: you don't believe in climate change because it was all
[15:19] Speaker 2: there to tick a box. And the media who just
[15:22] Speaker 2: throw rose petals in front of these people, now it's ridiculous. Interestingly,
[15:31] Speaker 2: we know that when Australians had a chance to vote
[15:33] Speaker 2: for what Anthony Aberdez he thought would be his greatest
[15:36] Speaker 2: achievement as opposed to the result of twenty five and
[15:41] Speaker 2: getting to more than ninety seats, because of course he
[15:43] Speaker 2: was able to campaign against the coalition saying that it
[15:45] Speaker 2: was too trump like. But then when Trump complimented him,
[15:47] Speaker 2: he said he put it in his ads for twenty twenty.
[15:50] Speaker 2: Is anyone keeping track, anyone at all? We know that
[15:56] Speaker 2: Australia said no, hell no. Victoria said no hell no
[16:00] Speaker 2: to the Voice for whatever reason. The majority of people
[16:03] Speaker 2: and the majority of states, in fact, all states bar
[16:06] Speaker 2: the Act said no. Yet something even bigger than the
[16:15] Speaker 2: idea of the Voice was the concept of a treaty,
[16:18] Speaker 2: and that is one that we know. The Victorian government
[16:20] Speaker 2: says yeah, despite the fact that the people of Victoria
[16:23] Speaker 2: since the last election voted on the issue of the
[16:25] Speaker 2: Voice and said no. We're punching on with the treaty anyway,
[16:28] Speaker 2: because Daniel Andrews promised at the last election, you know,
[16:32] Speaker 2: the same election where he ended up increasing his majority
[16:35] Speaker 2: and thunderingly beating the Liberal Party because they weren't woke enough,
[16:39] Speaker 2: despite the fact that his government had helped see the
[16:43] Speaker 2: state crumble the Tripleo system ultimately end up being responsible
[16:48] Speaker 2: for thirty three people's lives being lost. But whatever, come on, man,
[16:52] Speaker 2: get back on the program. As long as they're just
[16:54] Speaker 2: morally better than everyone else. Tick the Institute of Public
[17:00] Speaker 2: Affairs put some polling out today which is interesting to
[17:03] Speaker 2: see about how many people actually support the process that
[17:06] Speaker 2: is going to happen legislation before the Parliament. As we speak,
[17:09] Speaker 2: thirty seven percent of people say they support the treaty,
[17:12] Speaker 2: forty two percent say no, and twenty one percent say
[17:15] Speaker 2: don't know. So as always, if you have twenty one percent,
[17:19] Speaker 2: well who does that help? That helps of course oppose
[17:22] Speaker 2: more so than it does to support. Where do people
[17:25] Speaker 2: support this stuff? Well, it may not surprise you. Young people,
[17:30] Speaker 2: people with a master's degree, people who live in the
[17:32] Speaker 2: inner metropolitan area, people who vote Greens, and people who
[17:35] Speaker 2: voted yes for the Voice are all the people who agree.
[17:38] Speaker 2: Once you take out the option of don't know what happens,
[17:42] Speaker 2: support goes from thirty seven to forty eight, Opposition goes
[17:44] Speaker 2: from forty two to fifty two. Which is why the
[17:48] Speaker 2: Victorian Liberals think they are on to a winner. Why
[17:51] Speaker 2: because they have a plan to get rid of it
[17:54] Speaker 2: before the next state election.
[17:55] Speaker 1: But when the margin is.
[17:56] Speaker 2: Fifty to forty eight, is that can flip like it
[18:00] Speaker 2: d sixty forty When it comes to the voice, who knows?
[18:06] Speaker 2: Now got to say something unpleasant, but I'll do it
[18:09] Speaker 2: anyway because it's the truth and that is all that
[18:11] Speaker 2: we are owed each and every day. We've had a
[18:15] Speaker 2: good couple of days of people being able to see
[18:17] Speaker 2: things for what they are with the trots and loons
[18:19] Speaker 2: running around fighting with police in Victoria, and this show
[18:22] Speaker 2: is pro cop to the men and women of the
[18:26] Speaker 2: police forces all over the country. I back you in,
[18:28] Speaker 2: I back you in, I back you in. I back
[18:31] Speaker 2: in the strength of that officer who a few days
[18:32] Speaker 2: ago came in and told everyone about the rocks being
[18:35] Speaker 2: thrown at police, and it really felt like one of
[18:36] Speaker 2: those moments where momentum was up, support for the cops
[18:40] Speaker 2: was up. These were being prior at police. Then comes
[18:48] Speaker 2: today today front page of the Herald story about the
[18:52] Speaker 2: chief Commissioner of Victoria Police using a helicopter at ten
[18:55] Speaker 2: thousand dollars an hour to fly from Melbourne to Tasmania
[18:59] Speaker 2: to go to a conference. He's a bit more detail
[19:02] Speaker 2: from Channel nine tonight in Melbourne.
[19:05] Speaker 7: The police chief copying heat for using one of the
[19:08] Speaker 7: air wings to flight at tas Mania for a police
[19:11] Speaker 7: leaders forum. Mike Bush says a hectic day of meetings
[19:15] Speaker 7: on Monday mentor commercial flight didn't seem feasible at the time.
[19:21] Speaker 2: Please, Now I like this commission because you know he's
[19:24] Speaker 2: empowering his officers to call bs on, the media narratives
[19:30] Speaker 2: to call bs on, the lefty protesters to call bs on.
[19:34] Speaker 2: They're all the same. Yet what has been growing in
[19:38] Speaker 2: momentum and support and clarity of the past couple of days,
[19:41] Speaker 2: Well it hits the fan. Here is the Chief Commissioner
[19:44] Speaker 2: trying to talk about it today, at least, not offering excuses,
[19:48] Speaker 2: but talking about it. Remember, only talking about it because
[19:50] Speaker 2: of the front page of the paper today, not because
[19:52] Speaker 2: they suddenly thought they should confess.
[19:55] Speaker 1: There are reasons for doing that, but they're not an excuse.
[20:01] Speaker 2: Well, there is of course no need for it to
[20:03] Speaker 2: be done. There might be a reason, but there is
[20:05] Speaker 2: no need. It is excessive and as always in these things,
[20:09] Speaker 2: it's not about how it looks. It's about how it is.
[20:12] Speaker 2: And what it is is an unnecessary use of the
[20:15] Speaker 2: resource because for obvious reasons, Victorian helicopters should be able
[20:20] Speaker 2: to patrol that state twenty four to seven. I'm not
[20:24] Speaker 2: getting all palichet on you about Queenland. Not have a Queenlander,
[20:27] Speaker 2: No I'm talking here about a resource that should have
[20:31] Speaker 2: always been available because who knows what happens when it
[20:33] Speaker 2: comes to an emergency. At least tear is for what
[20:37] Speaker 2: it's worth. Sorry, but hopefully a lesson learnt by everyone here.
[20:41] Speaker 2: Pull your head in because what the message we need
[20:44] Speaker 2: to hear from police is about the truly bad guys,
[20:47] Speaker 2: the people throwing the rocks and the crims who are
[20:50] Speaker 2: being led off by a peace week judiciary and a
[20:53] Speaker 2: government that wants to change the subject.
[20:56] Speaker 5: It was the wrong thing to do.
[21:00] Speaker 8: I have apologized, and I will apologize again.
[21:04] Speaker 2: Okay. Now, apparently there are more millionaires than ever before
[21:09] Speaker 2: in Australia, simbolized here by Scrooge McDuck diving into a
[21:14] Speaker 2: that of money at the start of the incredible eighties
[21:16] Speaker 2: cartoon Ducktails. I, by the way, never understand how he
[21:19] Speaker 2: didn't break every bone in his body diving into that
[21:22] Speaker 2: many coins. But still apparently more millionaires than ever before
[21:26] Speaker 2: when it comes to Australia.
[21:27] Speaker 1: Why because our houses are worth more.
[21:30] Speaker 2: In fact, there has been a very significant number of
[21:33] Speaker 2: people that are now considered paper millionaires. Your asset is
[21:36] Speaker 2: worth a million bucks out of suburban areas and the
[21:39] Speaker 2: mortgage belts of Brisbane and Sydney are among the latest
[21:42] Speaker 2: postcodes to join the once rare million dollar club, with
[21:47] Speaker 2: one in three Australian property is now.
[21:49] Speaker 1: Worth more than a million dollars.
[21:51] Speaker 2: I'm sure this feels good to all the kids who
[21:53] Speaker 2: haven't bought one yet, and I'm sure it feels even
[21:55] Speaker 2: better to the people who bought one a long time ago.
[21:58] Speaker 2: One in three australianies now worth a million dollars. Brisbane
[22:04] Speaker 2: has led the surge after becoming the nation's second most
[22:07] Speaker 2: expensive property market last year, adding thirty eight new suburbs
[22:12] Speaker 2: to the list of one million dollar suburbs over the
[22:15] Speaker 2: past year to September. It just beat out Sydney, which
[22:19] Speaker 2: had thirty six new entrance or suburbs with more than
[22:24] Speaker 2: seventy percent of house and unit markets valued at at
[22:27] Speaker 2: least a million dollars. Repeat, Seven out of ten in
[22:31] Speaker 2: in Sydney are now worth house or unit more than
[22:34] Speaker 2: a million bucks. If you are in any of these suburbs, congratulations,
[22:38] Speaker 2: you are now Scrooge McDuck esk on paper. Bukham Hills
[22:43] Speaker 2: million dollar suburb, Glen Denning million dollar suburb, Rudy Hill
[22:47] Speaker 2: million dollar suburb, Roads, million dollar suburb, Penrith million dollar
[22:52] Speaker 2: suburb in Melbourne, Keeler Lodge million dollar suburb, Taylor's Lake's
[22:58] Speaker 2: new million dollar suburb in Brisbane. You've got places like
[23:02] Speaker 2: Redland Bay, Winnham, East Boondle, Victoria Park, million dollar suburbs.
[23:09] Speaker 2: Enjoy here in Duckburghmsilver Mystery anyway or read write history. Okay,
[23:17] Speaker 2: duck Tas Okay, out of the head. Now let's talk
[23:21] Speaker 2: about the afl and AFLW because it is really vital
[23:26] Speaker 2: that we have professional female sports that have the highest
[23:30] Speaker 2: possible levels for young girls to aspire to go and play. Now,
[23:34] Speaker 2: you know, whereas we've gone around the country as we
[23:36] Speaker 2: will this weekend in the Act, we get to shine
[23:39] Speaker 2: a light on the support of particularly female sport from
[23:42] Speaker 2: the great Katie Page and Harvey Norman. And it's been
[23:46] Speaker 2: great to meet many of these athletes and to hear
[23:48] Speaker 2: their stories and as you saw me training, they are
[23:52] Speaker 2: premier athletes. There is a little trouble though with the
[23:56] Speaker 2: AFLW competition when you talk about what's happening this year,
[24:01] Speaker 2: and I'm talking about on field action that's for others
[24:03] Speaker 2: to have whatever opinion they wish, but the ABC has
[24:06] Speaker 2: noted that there is a problem about the number of
[24:08] Speaker 2: people that aren't physically turning up to the games. One
[24:11] Speaker 2: of the biggest challenges with the AFLW it is facing
[24:14] Speaker 2: its end of year footy fatigue. You see, they keep
[24:17] Speaker 2: their season going post the men's Grand Final in the
[24:20] Speaker 2: last weekend of September and its tenth year. Crowds have
[24:23] Speaker 2: now sung to an average of two and a half
[24:25] Speaker 2: thousand per game, down from two thousand, six hundred and
[24:29] Speaker 2: sixty during the home and away season last year. Now, obviously,
[24:35] Speaker 2: a fully professional, fully televised, fully corporately supported sport should
[24:42] Speaker 2: be able to be getting more than two and a
[24:43] Speaker 2: half thousand people turning up to a game now. Initially
[24:47] Speaker 2: when the crowds were much higher than that. Yes, there
[24:49] Speaker 2: was no charge when it comes to the tickets. But
[24:52] Speaker 2: the ABC today tried to have a little bit of
[24:54] Speaker 2: a look about why right is it footy fatigue? Because
[24:58] Speaker 2: footy keeps going and keeps going and starts to overlap
[25:01] Speaker 2: with things like the start of the NFL season the
[25:03] Speaker 2: twenty twenty the one day the start of the cricket season.
[25:07] Speaker 2: Maybe my suggestion for where the AFLW competition should sit
[25:12] Speaker 2: is probably take it back to the start of the
[25:15] Speaker 2: footy season, in the many weeks leading into the football season,
[25:20] Speaker 2: because I know, as a person who pays attention to
[25:23] Speaker 2: TV ratings every single day, I am aware that people
[25:26] Speaker 2: will turn on sport and I know that sometimes when
[25:30] Speaker 2: you think a sport may or may not attract, people
[25:33] Speaker 2: want to watch it. Okay, and that's cool. I love it, right,
[25:36] Speaker 2: I do too. But to me, you'd put that at
[25:39] Speaker 2: the start of the season to get the early taste
[25:41] Speaker 2: of football. Maybe potentially midweek games, a midweek competition through
[25:48] Speaker 2: the normal season. Maybe that can boost the crowds because
[25:52] Speaker 2: while yes, at the very start it all felt very
[25:54] Speaker 2: woke and the form felt a little bit weak, the
[25:57] Speaker 2: reality is that these women are incredible athletes who are
[26:03] Speaker 2: going to inspire kids like my daughters. So I want
[26:06] Speaker 2: this competition and NRLW and female soccer, netball and everything
[26:11] Speaker 2: else to thrive as it should. Stand By for the
[26:15] Speaker 2: emails about Paul, You've gone to work. No, just being honest.
[26:21] Speaker 2: It may surprise you if you live in Sydney or Brisbane,
[26:23] Speaker 2: but I'm going to tell you it was hot today.
[26:25] Speaker 2: If you live in Melbourne or Adelaide or Tazzy not
[26:29] Speaker 2: as much in fact, when it was almost forty degrees
[26:33] Speaker 2: in those two areas, I'm having a look and in
[26:36] Speaker 2: other parts of the country we're still down at about
[26:38] Speaker 2: eighteen degrees. Well, it was bloody hot again. We ended
[26:42] Speaker 2: up in a scenario where we were starting to push forty. Now,
[26:44] Speaker 2: that is something that will always happen in summer, but
[26:46] Speaker 2: it's pretty unusual for now. So according to sky News Weather,
[26:50] Speaker 2: why was it so hot today?
[26:54] Speaker 9: We are seeing.
[26:55] Speaker 8: Still significant heat for the time of year, and that's
[26:57] Speaker 8: all thanks to all of us heat funneling and us
[26:59] Speaker 8: I said from the northwest. Now, we started out seeing
[27:02] Speaker 8: a northerly coastal breeze, but we've seen these winds wrap
[27:05] Speaker 8: around from the northwest into parts of New South Wales.
[27:08] Speaker 8: We're looking to pivot the heat towards the north. So
[27:11] Speaker 8: if we have a look farther north across northern Queensland
[27:13] Speaker 8: and into the Northern Territory over the next few days,
[27:15] Speaker 8: we're still seeing that heat build and heat wave warning
[27:18] Speaker 8: still enforce across those areas.
[27:21] Speaker 1: And exactly when is it going to start to get cool?
[27:25] Speaker 8: As we can see on the map here that starting
[27:26] Speaker 8: to strive in that cooler air Sidney, you'll be down
[27:28] Speaker 8: to twenty two degrees, so temperatures will be dropping around
[27:31] Speaker 8: fifteen or sixteen degrees across the board. So a real
[27:34] Speaker 8: change on the way for Thursday. However, Queensland still hanging
[27:38] Speaker 8: onto that heat.
[27:39] Speaker 1: And while you were working, finally earning some money for yourself,
[27:42] Speaker 1: not earning for the texts.
[27:44] Speaker 3: Man.
[27:45] Speaker 1: Let's see how.
[27:46] Speaker 2: Federal politicians decided to spend your money playing showbies for
[27:49] Speaker 2: ugly people and pretending they're hosts on play school, like
[27:53] Speaker 2: oh it's our old mate, Carra. There's nothing better than
[27:57] Speaker 2: a freezing cold beer on a hot day, a freeze.
[28:02] Speaker 1: To the beer excise as.
[28:03] Speaker 2: To that, I love the day we were freezed. Beer
[28:13] Speaker 2: taxes you let them go up for three years in
[28:16] Speaker 2: a row. Let petrol tax go to fifty seats. Another
[28:23] Speaker 2: great example of the people who think that we're all
[28:25] Speaker 2: mushrooms and keep us in the dark and feed us.
[28:30] Speaker 9: I'm in Canberra today for a NDIS community hearing, and
[28:34] Speaker 9: before you get underway, I have to get my face
[28:37] Speaker 9: half away.
[28:43] Speaker 7: Done.
[28:45] Speaker 2: Please please, just please, can we just roll the footage.
[28:48] Speaker 1: Let's roll the t's Okay, let's just please get away.
[28:52] Speaker 2: Ah these people. We will discuss the triumphant, triumphant all
[28:57] Speaker 2: the rest, but can we actually get into a conversation
[28:59] Speaker 2: what the hell is a rare earth mineral? Presumably gold
[29:02] Speaker 2: is a fairly rare earth mineral. What is the ones
[29:05] Speaker 2: that particularly are going to change the world and stop
[29:07] Speaker 2: China on its tracks? And answer next, and then a
[29:11] Speaker 2: little bit later, stick around, stick around and back in
[29:13] Speaker 2: the people who still need help.
[29:15] Speaker 1: Many months on from when the news rolls on, I
[29:17] Speaker 1: want to see, Hey, just about nothing here, but just
[29:25] Speaker 1: you know, a little.
[29:25] Speaker 2: Chat amongst friends. I got the most amazing message from
[29:30] Speaker 2: a maid of mine and he lives overseas now and
[29:33] Speaker 2: we've been together for a really long time as mates,
[29:35] Speaker 2: and we work together in radio. I MA had so
[29:36] Speaker 2: much fun. I can't see his name and they can't
[29:38] Speaker 2: teinue his job, but he's hitting new heights right about
[29:43] Speaker 2: my age, and I'm so excited for him. And it
[29:47] Speaker 2: just got me thinking a little bit about one of
[29:50] Speaker 2: the rules that, as you know, we have for life
[29:52] Speaker 2: here is always tell people that you love them, never
[29:54] Speaker 2: in doubt. And secondly, be really excited for other people's success.
[29:58] Speaker 2: Always lift people up when they are having oneonderful moments.
[30:01] Speaker 2: And my mate, who again I wish I could say more,
[30:03] Speaker 2: but he's having a wonderful moment. And they've got friends
[30:05] Speaker 2: that are having tough moments right now, but strength and
[30:07] Speaker 2: love to all of them. And you make sure you
[30:10] Speaker 2: tell your mates, your friends, your family about how much
[30:13] Speaker 2: you support them and love them in who they are,
[30:15] Speaker 2: not what they might be one day and not what
[30:17] Speaker 2: they did thirty years ago, but what's going on right now,
[30:20] Speaker 2: because the fun is happening as we speak. And two
[30:23] Speaker 2: people that I love having on the show is none
[30:25] Speaker 2: other than Annie Bell. She's of course a MP on
[30:28] Speaker 2: the beautiful Gold Coast shadow Environment Minister. She joins us
[30:31] Speaker 2: now from we can't quite say God's country at times,
[30:34] Speaker 2: but still kiss the ground for me. And Stephen Conry,
[30:37] Speaker 2: who's always here to help. I love you brother, all
[30:39] Speaker 2: right now, let's get to a couple of things here.
[30:41] Speaker 1: I love you, Paul, thank you.
[30:42] Speaker 2: We're all in love tonight. I'm just moments.
[30:45] Speaker 1: I just think you know, of TV, sometimes it's just
[30:48] Speaker 1: this blah blah machine.
[30:49] Speaker 2: Right, Occasionally human beings should actually say human stuff on
[30:53] Speaker 2: the television. Why not? Okay, So Stephen now I'm just
[30:58] Speaker 2: going to ask you one little, one little thing, okay
[31:01] Speaker 2: about the US thing? Right, do you think the term
[31:04] Speaker 2: triumphant might be too much.
[31:06] Speaker 1: Like very good, very successful?
[31:08] Speaker 2: Like you know, yes, you're sure, the bar that had
[31:11] Speaker 2: been lowered to the stage where you know, and the
[31:13] Speaker 2: fun little moment with Rudd and if nothing else, it
[31:16] Speaker 2: was fun because just for one minute he.
[31:18] Speaker 1: Was reminded, just one minute, he was reminded about how
[31:20] Speaker 1: little tincy toney he can be. And again, oh, everything's fine.
[31:24] Speaker 1: He still doesn't remember what he looked like.
[31:26] Speaker 2: Never forget that bit, right, But to me, triumphant triumphant
[31:31] Speaker 2: like okay, like in the same way, sometimes I might
[31:34] Speaker 2: be too hard, they're too soft if they think this
[31:37] Speaker 2: is triumphant. We're still got a tariff on us and
[31:41] Speaker 2: we're still paying three hundred billion dollars for some subs
[31:44] Speaker 2: settle down.
[31:49] Speaker 4: Look, I think I wouldn't use the word triumphant or
[31:52] Speaker 4: a triumphal I think that would be over the top.
[31:55] Speaker 4: I think Albao's Prime minister absolutely deserves credit. Though by
[32:00] Speaker 4: his time he waited for his opportunity. He built the
[32:03] Speaker 4: case to demonstrate to Trump that the Orchest deal the
[32:09] Speaker 4: rare Earth Deal. These were valuable Australia's participation in the Alliance.
[32:14] Speaker 4: These were valuable to America and to the UK. So
[32:18] Speaker 4: I think he built the case over time. And Kevin Rudd,
[32:22] Speaker 4: though many people love him and hate.
[32:24] Speaker 2: Him, but he deserves credit.
[32:26] Speaker 4: I think even Tony Abbott has said today he deserves credit.
[32:30] Speaker 4: He has protected and insured that Australia's most lethal defense capability,
[32:35] Speaker 4: those Virginia Class subs, when we get them, they are
[32:39] Speaker 4: the most lethal weapon on Earth. And even Tony Abbott
[32:44] Speaker 4: is giving Kevin Rudd credit today. So I think you
[32:47] Speaker 4: could describe this as a success. You don't want to
[32:49] Speaker 4: be best ease, You're only picking up the phone to
[32:51] Speaker 4: each other every day.
[32:52] Speaker 2: Triumph.
[32:53] Speaker 4: He just want to have a professional relationship with the US.
[32:58] Speaker 4: And I think that, and I think he, you know,
[33:02] Speaker 4: the media in Australia built it up to me, Oh
[33:04] Speaker 4: my god, what he really wanted to see Trump slap
[33:06] Speaker 4: around like he did the lens gear.
[33:08] Speaker 2: We want to spank Albo.
[33:10] Speaker 4: I mean, no issues around Palestine, all those issues people
[33:12] Speaker 4: are saying, oh my god, Trump's never going to speak
[33:14] Speaker 4: to him. That was an Australian media creation, It wasn't it.
[33:18] Speaker 4: Wasn't coming from the White House. It wasn't Albow saying
[33:22] Speaker 4: oh I'll do this and that. So I think I
[33:25] Speaker 4: think enough significant success for the benefit of Australia.
[33:29] Speaker 2: No, no, correct, So Angie did did the leader your
[33:33] Speaker 2: leader in seasonally falling into the hole of falling into
[33:38] Speaker 2: the rud of it all? Now she's walked it back
[33:40] Speaker 2: twenty four hours later, But did she end up tripping
[33:43] Speaker 2: over a trap that many people had laid? But yesterday
[33:47] Speaker 2: was the day just to tick and flick right.
[33:52] Speaker 5: Well, it's very tempting and probably only on your show
[33:55] Speaker 5: to sort of say, okay, rod k dud. But you know,
[33:58] Speaker 5: notwithstanding it took me a year to get a meeting.
[34:02] Speaker 5: I mean, come on, when we had Joe Hockey going
[34:05] Speaker 5: to the US. I remember, I'm a good friend of Joe's.
[34:07] Speaker 5: In fact, Joe's been one of my friends and mentors
[34:09] Speaker 5: for many years. And he was out playing golf with
[34:13] Speaker 5: Trump and having cups of tea with Hillary Clinton before
[34:16] Speaker 5: either of them were in the White House, building this
[34:19] Speaker 5: rapport and having this relationship on the golf course with
[34:22] Speaker 5: president who's now President Trump again Trump point two. But
[34:26] Speaker 5: you know the point is it shouldn't be taking a
[34:29] Speaker 5: whole year to get a meeting in the White House,
[34:33] Speaker 5: and it was probably an embarrassing moment for Kevin Rudd,
[34:36] Speaker 5: no doubt. But look, when our prime minister goes overseas,
[34:40] Speaker 5: we want our prime minister to be successful. And the
[34:44] Speaker 5: critical minerals deal that he struck is of course I
[34:48] Speaker 5: wouldn't use the word triumphant either, Paul, but certainly it's
[34:52] Speaker 5: good news for our national security in Australia and for
[34:55] Speaker 5: our future, particularly with the submarines. Deterrence is the best measure.
[35:00] Speaker 2: If anyone thinks that that wasn't the term that we
[35:01] Speaker 2: was used, check the same tapes that I can check,
[35:04] Speaker 2: because I'll gladly play tomorrow if you would like me
[35:06] Speaker 2: to to correct the record in the meantime. You know,
[35:10] Speaker 2: raight sort of the Dennis the Menace of international politics, right,
[35:14] Speaker 2: camn Like.
[35:15] Speaker 1: Just enough enough go way go way, go away. So
[35:17] Speaker 1: can we just get to this game, Stephen.
[35:20] Speaker 2: A lot of people have been very critical minerals, very
[35:23] Speaker 2: important for critical, critical minial, critical, just.
[35:25] Speaker 1: Critical minerals, right.
[35:27] Speaker 2: I think eighty percent of people in the real world
[35:30] Speaker 2: have no idea what they are, right, They actually don't
[35:32] Speaker 2: know what they go Okay, I get it. I get
[35:34] Speaker 2: it's a good thing if it bugs up China.
[35:36] Speaker 3: Good.
[35:37] Speaker 2: I'm in the front row. Can you give me the idea, right,
[35:39] Speaker 2: because theoretically all minerals are limited, right, and difficult to find.
[35:44] Speaker 1: What is a critical mineral?
[35:46] Speaker 2: I know, and I'm going to cop it for.
[35:48] Speaker 1: Asking the question, but I'm going to ask it on
[35:50] Speaker 1: behalf of the kids on the back row.
[35:52] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[35:53] Speaker 4: Look, firstly, most of them are almost unpronounceable tongue twisters, right,
[35:59] Speaker 4: but critical met critical minerals are almost microscopic. You find
[36:03] Speaker 4: them inside iron or they're not just lying around, they're
[36:07] Speaker 4: inside of the deposits. So they're hard to find and
[36:10] Speaker 4: hard to identify.
[36:12] Speaker 1: So a lot of them.
[36:13] Speaker 4: So turbium, there's one I can pronounce, is used in
[36:16] Speaker 4: things like naval sonar in senses. So to give you
[36:21] Speaker 4: an idea already, if you don't have these things, sonis
[36:25] Speaker 4: on your subsidiate work. Okay. Some of the others are
[36:29] Speaker 4: used for magnets.
[36:30] Speaker 2: Now it's a I don't know how this happened.
[36:33] Speaker 4: The thirty five, you know, our main fighter plane, one
[36:37] Speaker 4: of the US's main fighter planes. They rely on this magnet.
[36:41] Speaker 4: And this magnet is produced, believe it or not in
[36:43] Speaker 4: China one tiny piece that makes a magnet, so you
[36:48] Speaker 4: can see that when China decided to turn off the tap,
[36:50] Speaker 4: they cause havoc to the AI industry, to the tech industry,
[36:55] Speaker 4: to medical research. All of these critical minerals are used
[37:01] Speaker 4: in the most incredible parts of society. And as you said,
[37:05] Speaker 4: I think you're being generous for you say eighty percent,
[37:07] Speaker 4: I'd say ninety nine point nine percent of Australians.
[37:10] Speaker 2: You know you don't work in the fields.
[37:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, it's not like high pants. It's that
[37:15] Speaker 1: people know mine. I just had to google.
[37:17] Speaker 4: Just ok, I just had to google some of these
[37:20] Speaker 4: facts so I can actually had to your question.
[37:21] Speaker 2: I'm not preventing the environment Minister can do so without
[37:25] Speaker 2: the Google, right, because I know there's other issues in
[37:28] Speaker 2: environmental to the team the ISS, what do you say,
[37:31] Speaker 2: they're the what.
[37:33] Speaker 5: The ems are ums, the lithiums of this world and
[37:37] Speaker 5: the things that go into you know, mobile phone screens.
[37:40] Speaker 5: And obviously Stephen mentioned their defense capability. Those critical minerals
[37:46] Speaker 5: are important to build the defense capabilities that we buy
[37:51] Speaker 5: from the US as well for the ADF, so very
[37:54] Speaker 5: important for that. Look, I've just come back from Yandy
[37:56] Speaker 5: up in Western Australia there to be H's open cut
[38:01] Speaker 5: iron ore mine, and to see the amount of iron
[38:06] Speaker 5: ore that we export that goes overseas to South Korea,
[38:11] Speaker 5: to China, to other countries in the region to build steel,
[38:16] Speaker 5: but to also build those capabilities that critical minerals are
[38:21] Speaker 5: used for and so iron or I would consider that
[38:24] Speaker 5: to be pretty critical. I'm sure Roger Cook thinks it's critical.
[38:27] Speaker 5: It is about two billion bucks worth of worth royalties
[38:30] Speaker 5: go who to Western Australia alone.
[38:32] Speaker 2: Correct, But as I pointed out before, you know again
[38:35] Speaker 2: you know each way elbow was what I would say,
[38:38] Speaker 2: foot in both camps. But okay, you know climate change
[38:40] Speaker 2: and mining that there's the crossover here. At some point
[38:43] Speaker 2: it will be noticed by the rest of the meeting.
[38:45] Speaker 2: But again, rose petals for triumph, Rose petals for triumph.
[38:48] Speaker 2: All right, Bananjie, We see that Murray Watt as Environment Minister,
[38:53] Speaker 2: what was nature positive legislation now perhaps getting a little
[38:56] Speaker 2: bit of a rebadge, he decided to give the Coalition
[39:01] Speaker 2: a little bit of a whack, even though he's asking
[39:03] Speaker 2: for your votes to help get a version of this
[39:06] Speaker 2: through the parliament role what the charming bloke had to say.
[39:09] Speaker 6: We've always said that we're open to passing this bill
[39:12] Speaker 6: with the support of either the Coalition or the Greens,
[39:16] Speaker 6: or preferably both. I don't have I'm not entering these
[39:19] Speaker 6: negotiations with a view that we want to do it
[39:21] Speaker 6: with one side or the other. I think both the
[39:24] Speaker 6: Coalition and the Greens paid a heavy price at the
[39:27] Speaker 6: last federal electorate election for being seen by the Australian
[39:31] Speaker 6: public to be blocking changes, blocking legislation, obstructing progress, and
[39:36] Speaker 6: I'd like to think that they take that into account
[39:38] Speaker 6: and don't want to see a repeat of that when
[39:39] Speaker 6: we come to tabling this bill.
[39:41] Speaker 2: Settled down, you paid off billions of dollars of student debt.
[39:45] Speaker 2: There was an awful lot of other little trumpy and
[39:48] Speaker 2: running against Trump and then there was interstright settled down
[39:52] Speaker 2: but aie. The question is people like Matt Canavan, your
[39:56] Speaker 2: colleague in the opposition, has said things like nature positive,
[40:00] Speaker 2: don't go anywhere near it? Is this watered down nature positive?
[40:03] Speaker 2: Is this different to nature positive? What the heck is
[40:06] Speaker 2: being negotiated and how close are you doing yes or
[40:08] Speaker 2: a not sure?
[40:10] Speaker 1: Well?
[40:11] Speaker 5: Murray has just released some draft legislation and it's been
[40:14] Speaker 5: rebadged as net gain and that is the detail that
[40:19] Speaker 5: we're looking through at the moment. But roughly speaking, it's
[40:23] Speaker 5: talking about I suppose when you're giving it building a development,
[40:27] Speaker 5: you've got to put more in than your take out
[40:30] Speaker 5: when it comes to manage of National Environmental Significance known
[40:33] Speaker 5: as m ANDES, so it's complicated. We entered in good
[40:38] Speaker 5: faith negotiations with the government and my feelings are hurt
[40:42] Speaker 5: on what Murray just said. No looks here right, Paul,
[40:48] Speaker 5: certain absolutely, but certainly we're looking through the detail and
[40:53] Speaker 5: we've got about we think about maybe half or seventy
[40:56] Speaker 5: percent of the legislation a draft now that we're looking through.
[41:00] Speaker 5: The devil is always in the detail and there are
[41:03] Speaker 5: many things in that draft legislation that I haven't discussed
[41:08] Speaker 5: with Mara, and so working through all of those, I've
[41:10] Speaker 5: had four meetings with him, had a meeting in West
[41:13] Speaker 5: Australia with the West Australian Premier's office while I was
[41:16] Speaker 5: there as well to talk to them about their concerns
[41:18] Speaker 5: and of course stakeholders environmental stakeholders as well. So it's
[41:22] Speaker 5: going to be difficult to strike a balance, and it's
[41:25] Speaker 5: going to be difficult to strike a deal.
[41:27] Speaker 2: All right, excellent watch this space. Thank you so much,
[41:30] Speaker 2: always here to help with Stephen. I'm pleased that he
[41:32] Speaker 2: too was googling. And again, if you're one of the
[41:34] Speaker 2: people who's glad that we had the conversation, send me
[41:36] Speaker 2: the damn email. Okay, portsgynews dot com. Do you thank you?
[41:38] Speaker 1: Andie thank you. Stephen.
[41:39] Speaker 2: We'll talk you very very soon. Again, I want to
[41:42] Speaker 2: keep your focus on making sure that there is proper
[41:45] Speaker 2: support for people affected by those floods. A little bit
[41:48] Speaker 2: earlier in the year, the local MP who's been fighting
[41:51] Speaker 2: has come towards the man cave. We will have a
[41:53] Speaker 2: chat about what is being left and who was being
[41:55] Speaker 2: left behind next. Please show your care stay at the
[41:58] Speaker 2: end of the show so mentioned it a couple of times.
[42:05] Speaker 2: Tare and a whole bunch of areas around it still
[42:08] Speaker 2: affected by floods that happened six months ago. The local
[42:12] Speaker 2: community has now been told that any of the small
[42:14] Speaker 2: business areas of support have now been turned off. This
[42:18] Speaker 2: conversation is about holding people to account. It's one thing
[42:21] Speaker 2: for them to turn on when it's their lead story.
[42:23] Speaker 1: On the news.
[42:24] Speaker 2: But where are they weeks and months later. I'll tell
[42:26] Speaker 2: you who is still there. That's Tanya Thompson, who's the
[42:28] Speaker 2: Mile Lakes MP. She's of the community, she represents them
[42:31] Speaker 2: and she's been fighting for them in the Parliament and
[42:34] Speaker 2: now on the Telly as well. After what we learned today,
[42:36] Speaker 2: love you to see you mate, Thank you for having
[42:38] Speaker 2: me so put simply, it seems the message was computer
[42:41] Speaker 2: says no, which computer? And where the idea that there's
[42:44] Speaker 2: not enough money in the budget. I mean, we all
[42:48] Speaker 2: don't believe that because literally today the Premiere, who I
[42:51] Speaker 2: like but still the Premier is running around today showing
[42:53] Speaker 2: us one hundred million dollars that they've spent tarting up
[42:57] Speaker 2: what used to be a car park in Sydney. We've
[43:00] Speaker 2: got the money if they want it.
[43:01] Speaker 9: Yeah, they have the money. I mean the Minister for
[43:03] Speaker 9: Regional Roads and Transport announced two hundred million for potholes
[43:06] Speaker 9: for Sydney, so they have the money. They have the
[43:09] Speaker 9: money there. They just don't have the money for regional
[43:11] Speaker 9: New South Wales.
[43:12] Speaker 2: So what are the types of payments? It's twenty five
[43:14] Speaker 2: thousand dollars for small business and what have you? Known
[43:18] Speaker 2: locals are using that for to keep the business a lot.
[43:21] Speaker 9: So first of all they have to apply for a
[43:23] Speaker 9: five thousand dollars initial payment and then they have to
[43:27] Speaker 9: submit invoices for the twenty thousand in retrospect. So it's
[43:31] Speaker 9: not really a grant. Its reimbursement so to speak in Lamor's.
[43:36] Speaker 1: Terms, like an instant asset right of styles.
[43:39] Speaker 9: Kind of thing.
[43:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, guaranteed text Right, it's.
[43:40] Speaker 9: To reopen the doors, is to build back, to recover,
[43:45] Speaker 9: you know, get some staff in there too.
[43:46] Speaker 2: So this doesn't cost government money until the business has
[43:50] Speaker 2: spent the money to try to keep itself a lot
[43:53] Speaker 2: that's correcked.
[43:53] Speaker 9: Yes, same for primary producers. The same system applies.
[43:57] Speaker 2: Is your area being treated different than others? And again
[44:00] Speaker 2: it's not a competition, and I know people get very
[44:01] Speaker 2: paid off, right when I need to go at anyone
[44:03] Speaker 2: who has got more support over a longer period of time. Right,
[44:07] Speaker 2: But is there a direct line between Hey, your guys
[44:11] Speaker 2: have been screwed over, but others work.
[44:13] Speaker 9: Yeah, they changed the guidelines, so they changed the goalpost dramatically.
[44:17] Speaker 9: Where with Lizmore, for example, with the previous major flood,
[44:21] Speaker 9: the money was upfront, so the businesses did not have
[44:24] Speaker 9: to find this money first. It was given to them,
[44:28] Speaker 9: so they were able to just get in and get
[44:29] Speaker 9: it done and reopen and re establish themselves and collect
[44:33] Speaker 9: themselves and get on with it. And then now they
[44:36] Speaker 9: have to find all of this themselves and prove things
[44:39] Speaker 9: to the departments, to the bureaucrats, to the government. These
[44:42] Speaker 9: are people in Sydney that aren't on the land, that
[44:45] Speaker 9: aren't in these regional areas, that are questioning these people
[44:50] Speaker 9: about where they're spending their dollars before they're reimbursed.
[44:53] Speaker 2: And that's wrong. I'm just thinking about you know, insert
[44:57] Speaker 2: business right, but fish and chip shop, main drag g
[45:00] Speaker 2: of tari right, Okay, if you had money, and some
[45:04] Speaker 2: small businesses don't, if you had money left over, it's
[45:07] Speaker 2: been as much to refit out the joint as possible.
[45:10] Speaker 2: If you can max out a loan or a credit card,
[45:12] Speaker 2: that's what you will do. But the reality for many
[45:15] Speaker 2: nowhere near it no capacity to do that. Meaning I've
[45:19] Speaker 2: got no doubt that today compared to seven months ago,
[45:23] Speaker 2: not six months of the floods, but seven months ago,
[45:26] Speaker 2: the main drag looks different. Right, There'd be fewer shops
[45:29] Speaker 2: than were there and the reason they're not there is
[45:33] Speaker 2: because of the flood.
[45:34] Speaker 9: Absolutely correct. Down Poultney Street it is barren. They're skeleton shops.
[45:40] Speaker 9: There are literally been stripped bare. There's nothing left. There's
[45:45] Speaker 9: just frames where you walk past, and they will not
[45:48] Speaker 9: reopen without any support from the government and Chris Mins,
[45:52] Speaker 9: the Premier, who I also likes. Not a bad bloke,
[45:56] Speaker 9: but he stood in the arcade with business people and
[45:59] Speaker 9: look them in the eye and said we will support you.
[46:02] Speaker 2: You have our support. There is no support. You cannot
[46:05] Speaker 2: do that.
[46:06] Speaker 9: You can't give people assurances and then turn your back
[46:09] Speaker 9: on them and not answer them.
[46:11] Speaker 2: Sorry.
[46:11] Speaker 1: Ted.
[46:12] Speaker 2: So it's great we have this conversation now because it's
[46:15] Speaker 2: about kicking people up the ass. It's great that you've
[46:17] Speaker 2: got coverage in the papers. Give me an idea in
[46:21] Speaker 2: the parliament.
[46:22] Speaker 1: Just forgive me.
[46:23] Speaker 2: I'm not paying attention to you, said, well's question time
[46:25] Speaker 2: as much as I used to when I worked in
[46:27] Speaker 2: the building. But still, would the Premier know what you
[46:32] Speaker 2: are talking about?
[46:33] Speaker 1: Absolutely?
[46:33] Speaker 2: You have said it to his face.
[46:34] Speaker 9: I have written to the Premiere three or four times.
[46:37] Speaker 9: I have spoken to the Premiere. I've written to the
[46:39] Speaker 9: treasure I've invited them to the Mile Lakes. I've written
[46:41] Speaker 9: to Janelle Saffen on multiple occasions. They know what is
[46:45] Speaker 9: going on. I have conversations with them constantly, with their team.
[46:49] Speaker 2: They know what is going on in our region, so
[46:51] Speaker 2: they can't hide behind me.
[46:54] Speaker 9: I had no idea, absolutely not. They know they know
[46:57] Speaker 9: what is happening. I am not a quiet person. You know,
[47:00] Speaker 9: you can tell that the community knows that. You know,
[47:04] Speaker 9: That's why I'm a regional MP.
[47:05] Speaker 2: Tell me about your socials. Anyone watching us in Miles
[47:07] Speaker 2: Legs probably they've already let me guess there's a magnet
[47:10] Speaker 2: with the calendar on the on the fridge or something
[47:13] Speaker 2: like that. But how are the socials? How do people
[47:15] Speaker 2: who may want to join the fight.
[47:18] Speaker 9: Jump on my Facebook page and have a look and see?
[47:20] Speaker 9: You know, I'm sharing the videos. I mean, we asked
[47:22] Speaker 9: questions in the Upper and the Lower House today of
[47:24] Speaker 9: Treasury and of Janelle. You know who's blocking this?
[47:29] Speaker 1: Why?
[47:30] Speaker 9: Why is this stalling? We got the dance around, We
[47:32] Speaker 9: got the run around. No one wants to put their
[47:34] Speaker 9: hand down.
[47:34] Speaker 1: If it was good enough for her community when she
[47:36] Speaker 1: was hurting one.
[47:36] Speaker 9: Or why isn't it good enough for the male lakes.
[47:38] Speaker 2: You know, very good point. Yeah, Tanya, thank you so much.
[47:40] Speaker 2: Tanya Thompson, you are awesome. That is a great local MP.
[47:43] Speaker 2: The fight, the fight, the fight, I love it. Good
[47:45] Speaker 2: on you mate, Thank you all right, quick break back
[47:47] Speaker 2: with more plenty to talk about, including a piece of
[47:49] Speaker 2: space junk has landed in Australia.
[47:52] Speaker 1: What is it and how excited did the local media get?
[47:56] Speaker 1: Next here on Paul Murray Life.
[48:01] Speaker 2: Now, while we know the Triumphant meeting was about rare
[48:05] Speaker 2: roots and rare minerals, there is something even.
[48:08] Speaker 1: Rarer stuff that falls from space.
[48:12] Speaker 2: In Western Australia. Something fell from space space debris as
[48:17] Speaker 2: they used to say, but of course debris for those
[48:21] Speaker 2: of us who have to be burken anyway, This fell
[48:24] Speaker 2: in a mind sight in Western Australia. Police used artificial
[48:27] Speaker 2: intelligence to identify a piece of what was called suspected
[48:31] Speaker 2: space junk that was found in out back Western Australia.
[48:33] Speaker 2: Space experts believe the object is probably part of a
[48:36] Speaker 2: Chinese rocket launch last year. Now, look, I'm glad when
[48:41] Speaker 2: anyone gets a little bit overly excited to be come
[48:44] Speaker 2: into something right, like you know what, Good on you
[48:46] Speaker 2: if you're a train spoter. But can you imagine of
[48:49] Speaker 2: all of the people in all of the planet, how
[48:51] Speaker 2: many would be having the odd conversations about space junk.
[48:57] Speaker 2: What do you think they'd be doing in the meantime?
[48:59] Speaker 2: Of course, this is how it played out in Western Australia.
[49:17] Speaker 2: Definitely looks like a Chinese satellite.
[49:19] Speaker 1: How would anyone know?
[49:21] Speaker 2: Anyway? Artificial intelligence, which I presumable awesome, said, I don't know.
[49:26] Speaker 2: Maybe Caleb knows, he'll find out he's next

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