# Paul Murray Live | 24 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 24 Nov 2025, 50 min.

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Federal MPs and political staffers warned to shut off phones and close blinds during visit by top Chinese official, workers face paying an extra $300 billion in tax without reforms. Plus, the Labor government is accused of betraying veterans. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Burry Life. Yes,
[0:06] Speaker 1: I got the memo A little bit of green slightly
[0:09] Speaker 1: teal for me, which is somewhat unusual, but there might
[0:12] Speaker 1: be a reason for that. We'll get a very short
[0:13] Speaker 1: week now. We have got a little bit of an
[0:16] Speaker 1: insight into just what type of working Australian is about
[0:19] Speaker 1: to be paying more tax. It may not surprise you,
[0:22] Speaker 1: but it's probably someone you know. Oh is in he
[0:25] Speaker 1: a wonderful treasure. We've got to have a conversation about
[0:29] Speaker 1: insurance in this country because it is too high now.
[0:32] Speaker 1: The insurance companies will say that's because the payouts are
[0:35] Speaker 1: too high because of clad to change, but there's plenty
[0:38] Speaker 1: of other issues here. When will somebody have the stones
[0:41] Speaker 1: to actually take on this industry? And Dick Smith one
[0:44] Speaker 1: of the great adventurers and as a result quite a
[0:47] Speaker 1: successful businessman. Well, he's given money to a wonderful cause.
[0:51] Speaker 1: He is trying to encourage other people to do the same.
[0:53] Speaker 1: We will repeat his message in a moment or two time.
[0:56] Speaker 1: But first, did you hear about the big news from
[1:00] Speaker 1: Canberra today?
[1:02] Speaker 2: One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has sparked outrage in the
[1:05] Speaker 2: Senate walking in wearing a clothing item worn by Muslim women.
[1:09] Speaker 3: She did in twenty seventeen, mark again walking into the
[1:12] Speaker 3: chamber in a burger.
[1:13] Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson is suspended from the Senate after another burger stunt,
[1:18] Speaker 1: and did you hear the people who were offended?
[1:22] Speaker 4: Clearly what has happened today is not a genuine demonstration
[1:27] Speaker 4: of faith. In fact, it is the middle finger to
[1:30] Speaker 4: people of faith. It is extremely racist and unsafe.
[1:36] Speaker 5: What we should not do in this place, whatever views
[1:39] Speaker 5: we may have on policy is to be this disrespectful.
[1:42] Speaker 1: But racism should not be the choice of the Senate.
[1:47] Speaker 6: This is a racist.
[1:48] Speaker 7: Senator, Senator displaying blend racism in resident.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of noise, a lot of distraction, But
[1:56] Speaker 1: I actually think the biggest thing that happened in camp
[1:58] Speaker 1: today has something to do with China. The number three
[2:02] Speaker 1: representative of the Chinese Communist Party was in Australia today
[2:07] Speaker 1: as you can see, meeting the Governor General at Yarraluma.
[2:12] Speaker 1: But the story that I think is pretty important to
[2:14] Speaker 1: notice here is that this friendly nation, of course, with
[2:21] Speaker 1: open arms, we welcome into our federal Parliament, well federal
[2:24] Speaker 1: MPs and staff as were told today turn off your phone,
[2:28] Speaker 1: get off the internet when any of the Chinese staff
[2:32] Speaker 1: from the CCP, again, not the good people of China,
[2:35] Speaker 1: but the people who run it, come to our country.
[2:39] Speaker 1: In fact, Andrew Clanel explains how this works. Now, remember
[2:43] Speaker 1: this does not happen with the Americans roll into town.
[2:45] Speaker 1: It does not happen when Pacific Island leaders are here.
[2:48] Speaker 1: This is reserved for the big beautiful friend who can
[2:52] Speaker 1: move elections, who can damage our trade. Yet still we
[2:57] Speaker 1: never call them out.
[3:00] Speaker 8: Interestingly, this is part of the note. There may be
[3:04] Speaker 8: intermittent disruptions to Wi Fi access during the periods outlined above.
[3:09] Speaker 8: Within the identified areas, Internet connected devices, including phones, tablets,
[3:14] Speaker 8: and laptops should be powered down where devices must be
[3:17] Speaker 8: used in sure iPhones and sorry, phones and iPads are
[3:20] Speaker 8: updated with the latest software version and placed in lockdown mode,
[3:24] Speaker 8: and laptops should have Wi Fi and Bluetooth switched off.
[3:29] Speaker 8: Surprised they're not telling people to bring burner phones. That's
[3:32] Speaker 8: the trust between the two countries.
[3:35] Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, Completely normal relations, completely normal relations.
[3:40] Speaker 1: Do not notice quick look over there on what happened
[3:42] Speaker 1: in the Senate. There'll be more to this, but will
[3:46] Speaker 1: anyone be willing to talk about it, Well, we'll give
[3:49] Speaker 1: it a correct I mentioned before about the types of
[3:51] Speaker 1: people that already are paying too much tax in this country,
[3:55] Speaker 1: but most likely will end up paying more. It is
[3:57] Speaker 1: the good people who are right in the down middle. Now,
[4:01] Speaker 1: the median income in Australia, I think is the best
[4:04] Speaker 1: part of about eighty thousand dollars, some obviously a little more,
[4:09] Speaker 1: some obviously a lot less. But the truth is, the
[4:13] Speaker 1: way that the pyramids game of the federal government is
[4:16] Speaker 1: paid for is that it is not paid for by
[4:18] Speaker 1: companies with multi billion dollar profits. It is not paid
[4:21] Speaker 1: for by the GST, which of course is all money
[4:25] Speaker 1: raised by the federal government and then given to the states. No,
[4:28] Speaker 1: it comes from you and me. In fact, the three
[4:32] Speaker 1: larger sources of money to the Australian federal government are
[4:35] Speaker 1: one income tax, where it comes off your weekly, fortnightly
[4:39] Speaker 1: monthly pay company tax where if you've got the right accountant,
[4:47] Speaker 1: you'll be doing your best to pay as little as possible.
[4:49] Speaker 1: But the reality is that's about one hundred and forty billion.
[4:51] Speaker 1: But you can see that huge golf. What two hundred
[4:53] Speaker 1: billion dollars between the workers and the people running the companies,
[4:59] Speaker 1: and then the g BST is way back where so
[5:02] Speaker 1: the GST, even at what ten percent, if it was doubled,
[5:05] Speaker 1: it would only get to about two hundred billion dollars.
[5:09] Speaker 1: So unless it's about to be a massive change in
[5:11] Speaker 1: that really the only way the government funds itself. And
[5:14] Speaker 1: remember the way the government funds itself is firstly by
[5:18] Speaker 1: having more workers paying more tax. But then rather than
[5:23] Speaker 1: closing the gap to last year when there wasn't enough
[5:27] Speaker 1: workers paying enough tax for all of the promises they made, no,
[5:31] Speaker 1: they just increased the promises, Increase the promises, increase the promises,
[5:34] Speaker 1: and we end up in a treating dollars worth of
[5:36] Speaker 1: debt because there is an expectation of the next ten
[5:40] Speaker 1: years of budget deficits that treating dollars increases because according
[5:44] Speaker 1: to the Intergenerational Report, those deficits will go for the
[5:48] Speaker 1: next forty four zero years. You can expect one trillion
[5:54] Speaker 1: dollars in debt to become one point five two trillion
[5:56] Speaker 1: dollars in debt. But these people, and they're a little
[5:58] Speaker 1: darg too, will have long left the political scene. Well
[6:04] Speaker 1: well done today in the channel on newspapers because they
[6:08] Speaker 1: have started to have a little look at this because
[6:09] Speaker 1: they say that workers are going to face paying an
[6:12] Speaker 1: extra three hundred billion dollars in tax. Now, remember workers
[6:16] Speaker 1: already pay three hundred and forty nine billion dollars in tax.
[6:20] Speaker 1: So we're close to talking a doubling of the total
[6:23] Speaker 1: amount of income tax that the government gets. This is
[6:26] Speaker 1: why they are addicted to immigration. This is why they
[6:29] Speaker 1: want adults of working age to come here so they
[6:32] Speaker 1: pay their taxes straight away. And while the population right
[6:35] Speaker 1: now is sitting at what twenty seven to twenty eight
[6:38] Speaker 1: million people, well, eventually you've got to get to fifty
[6:40] Speaker 1: million because they pay for the previous twenty seven that
[6:43] Speaker 1: are making their way through the age care system. Working
[6:46] Speaker 1: Australians face more than a three hundred billion dollar increase
[6:49] Speaker 1: in extra income tax with a decade after the federal spending.
[6:53] Speaker 1: If federal spending, i should say is not rained in
[6:55] Speaker 1: and low income earners will bear the brunt of the
[6:58] Speaker 1: growing tax impost, says a former Productivity Commissioner head Michael Brennan,
[7:04] Speaker 1: now the chief executive officer of an independent thing tank
[7:06] Speaker 1: called sixty one, said the entire tax system would become
[7:10] Speaker 1: more dependent on income taxes and less progressive, with people
[7:13] Speaker 1: on the minimum wage facing the steepest hits to their
[7:17] Speaker 1: take home pay. Now, of course that logic being that,
[7:19] Speaker 1: as you know, tax free threshold is about forty thousand dollars. Well,
[7:24] Speaker 1: if the minimum wage slowly but surely increases but that
[7:27] Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars tax free threshold never changes, then they
[7:30] Speaker 1: start to fall into tax brackets where they start to
[7:33] Speaker 1: pay taxes. The total amount being added to the trough
[7:37] Speaker 1: for the federal politicians not to balance the books or
[7:40] Speaker 1: to pay off a trillion dollars worth the dead. No,
[7:43] Speaker 1: it's just more spending on top, and more spending on top,
[7:46] Speaker 1: and more spending on top and more spending. The Australian
[7:49] Speaker 1: electorate has shown at how many elections in a row
[7:51] Speaker 1: now that they can be bought. The triangle of dependence.
[7:55] Speaker 1: That means fifty percent of people I've got their handout
[8:00] Speaker 1: or our recipients of government welfare believe that's unbelievably the case.
[8:05] Speaker 1: People's employment is directly linked to the government because they
[8:08] Speaker 1: work for state or federal public servants. There's more than
[8:10] Speaker 1: what about one and a half two million people like that,
[8:13] Speaker 1: And if you're in private business, Well, the single biggest
[8:16] Speaker 1: customer is the government, hence the ninety something billion dollar,
[8:20] Speaker 1: ninety something million dollars that was spent on the website
[8:23] Speaker 1: redevelopment for the Bureau of Meteorology. So it is in
[8:27] Speaker 1: the government's interest to keep spending because that creates greater
[8:33] Speaker 1: dependence and eventually a permanent political majority. But the one
[8:37] Speaker 1: thing it absolutely leads to is a series of deficits,
[8:41] Speaker 1: increases debt, and at some point debt becomes the single
[8:45] Speaker 1: biggest thing that you are trying to pay off each
[8:49] Speaker 1: and every year. In fact, debt in Victoria alone is
[8:55] Speaker 1: going to be twenty eight million dollars, not a year,
[8:59] Speaker 1: not a week, but a day, most likely before the
[9:02] Speaker 1: next Victorian election. This stuff matters, no matter how often
[9:06] Speaker 1: the politicians want to pretend no it doesn't. Now the
[9:11] Speaker 1: Senate has been a bit of action today, apart from
[9:13] Speaker 1: what I mentioned before, including there was an opportunity for
[9:19] Speaker 1: senators to all get together and vote down a terrible
[9:22] Speaker 1: idea that the government was wanting to put in place,
[9:25] Speaker 1: and this was to do with putting a time limit
[9:27] Speaker 1: on when people can be given citations for their bravery
[9:32] Speaker 1: in the battlefields of the world. They wanted to put
[9:34] Speaker 1: in a twenty year limit, meaning that anything that was
[9:37] Speaker 1: twenty years and a day ago, well it did no
[9:40] Speaker 1: longer qualify. If somebody had pulled out a diary that's
[9:45] Speaker 1: never been read from World War One, too bad. If
[9:48] Speaker 1: there was a bit of footage that turned up from
[9:49] Speaker 1: Vietnam ignorgret, it looked the other way. They wanted to
[9:52] Speaker 1: put the system in place. Now, of course that's ridiculous. Well,
[9:56] Speaker 1: they tried to put it up in the Senate. The
[9:57] Speaker 1: plan was for a vote to take place today and
[10:00] Speaker 1: then it seems pretty obviously that this was going to
[10:02] Speaker 1: be friendless. Not even the Greens supported this ridiculous idea. Thankfully,
[10:06] Speaker 1: people like the good Senator from Victoria, Bridget McKenzie or
[10:10] Speaker 1: she was all in on this today.
[10:13] Speaker 9: That the Australian government thinks that there is a time
[10:16] Speaker 9: limit on service recognition. And we know that whether it
[10:22] Speaker 9: is a decade, two decades, four decades, five decades post
[10:27] Speaker 9: an incident in the theater of war or in even
[10:31] Speaker 9: peacekeeping duties that our servicemen and women deserve to recognize,
[10:36] Speaker 9: particularly for the children and grandchildren of veterans deceased. The
[10:43] Speaker 9: time limit I think was incredibly hurtful and harmful to
[10:48] Speaker 9: their well being.
[10:51] Speaker 1: So thankfully the system stays as it is. You wouldn't
[10:53] Speaker 1: imagine this is the most urgent thing again. Talk about
[10:56] Speaker 1: the spending, talk about the taxes, talk about the debt. No,
[10:59] Speaker 1: these are the field around on the edges. Why they
[11:01] Speaker 1: did it, I don't know. There is now a move
[11:04] Speaker 1: on for the government to apologize for even going down
[11:06] Speaker 1: this path. The Shadow Veterans Affairs Minister, I'll show him here,
[11:09] Speaker 1: but his staff didn't even respond to our request for
[11:12] Speaker 1: an interview today.
[11:14] Speaker 10: The Prime Minister and the Veterans Affairs Minister should just
[11:17] Speaker 10: apologize for the stress and the anxiety that glad veterans
[11:19] Speaker 10: and our straining Defense Force personnel through over recent months.
[11:24] Speaker 1: Just for the record, I wanted to talk to Darren
[11:25] Speaker 1: Chester about many of the failings this government has had
[11:28] Speaker 1: when it comes to veterans affairs, including at the end
[11:31] Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. Can we actually have a check
[11:32] Speaker 1: in on how many of those recommendations from the Royal
[11:36] Speaker 1: Commission in the Veterans' Suicide are being actioned at all?
[11:39] Speaker 1: The invitation stands, I would have thought today would have
[11:41] Speaker 1: been it. But if he's got other time. We'll see
[11:43] Speaker 1: him later in the week. It talk about other people's money.
[11:48] Speaker 1: This is how they spend what you work hard for.
[11:51] Speaker 1: That is their single source of the greatest source of revenue,
[11:55] Speaker 1: like an almost four to one factor when it comes
[11:57] Speaker 1: to the GST, almost two to one factor when it
[11:59] Speaker 1: comes to company tax, and that is of course income tax.
[12:03] Speaker 1: The Bureau of Meteorology website. I mentioned it before. Unbelievably,
[12:07] Speaker 1: they told us that the old site that became the
[12:09] Speaker 1: new site that wasn't as good as the old site
[12:11] Speaker 1: only cost about four million bucks. Well, reality is, it's
[12:15] Speaker 1: ninety six and a half million dollars. The total cost
[12:20] Speaker 1: of the website is approximately ninety six and a half
[12:22] Speaker 1: million dollars. This includes the previously stated four point one
[12:25] Speaker 1: million dollars required to redesign the front end of the website.
[12:28] Speaker 1: The remaining cost reflects the significant investment required to fully
[12:31] Speaker 1: rebuild and test systems and technology that underpin the website,
[12:36] Speaker 1: making sure that it is secure and stable and can
[12:38] Speaker 1: draw on the huge amounts of data gathered from the
[12:41] Speaker 1: observing network and weather models. This is the Bureau of
[12:43] Speaker 1: Meteorology CEO. Yeah, but wouldn't of all of that have
[12:47] Speaker 1: applied to the previous website. Now again I get it.
[12:50] Speaker 1: It's not being done for free, and it's not being
[12:53] Speaker 1: farmed out to the cheapest labor around the world, but
[12:58] Speaker 1: ninety six and a half million dollars please, Now, there's
[13:03] Speaker 1: been plenty of comment about this. I had much to
[13:05] Speaker 1: say last night, a reminder about why it should always
[13:07] Speaker 1: be joining us on a Sunday night for the first
[13:09] Speaker 1: bite at the week's news. But David little Proud, representing
[13:12] Speaker 1: the communities who most look to the Weather Bureau for
[13:14] Speaker 1: information they've been rural Australia, said this today about the cost.
[13:19] Speaker 2: It's disgraceful and as a cultural deficiency at the Bureau
[13:22] Speaker 2: of Meteorology, they actually said publicly that it costs four
[13:25] Speaker 2: point one million. It's now ninety six million. And the
[13:29] Speaker 2: fact that they have misled the Australian people in that
[13:32] Speaker 2: way is disgraceful.
[13:35] Speaker 1: Now you may have heard this story for the past
[13:36] Speaker 1: couple of days, but you haven't heard this bit. This government,
[13:39] Speaker 1: which of course finds new ways to hide information in
[13:42] Speaker 1: their Chamber of Secrets, that refuses to answer questions at
[13:46] Speaker 1: Senate estimates, well, they find a new way to get
[13:49] Speaker 1: themselves out of scandals, including this answer from the Environment
[13:54] Speaker 1: Minister and the Bureau of Meteorology, and presumably it's spending
[13:57] Speaker 1: on its new website would be known to the minister. Now,
[14:01] Speaker 1: remember this is not the first time the government has
[14:04] Speaker 1: been in power in twenty years. They had been in
[14:07] Speaker 1: power now for multiple years. You would imagine there'd be
[14:10] Speaker 1: quite a handover between the former Environment minister and the
[14:14] Speaker 1: current Environment minister. But could you imagine how people would
[14:19] Speaker 1: react if a liberal minister's response to ninety six and
[14:22] Speaker 1: a half million dollars being spent on a freaking website
[14:26] Speaker 1: when they previously told us it was only four million
[14:29] Speaker 1: dollars would have been treated well, this minister thinks he's
[14:33] Speaker 1: got a clever way of you not having to ask
[14:36] Speaker 1: at all.
[14:38] Speaker 11: The initial figure that the bomb provided in the range
[14:41] Speaker 11: of four million dollars was for one aspect of the
[14:44] Speaker 11: website development. It's a matter for them why they chose
[14:47] Speaker 11: to provide that figure rather than a broader figure.
[14:51] Speaker 1: And he goes on to say that he wasn't informed.
[14:56] Speaker 1: Again this sort of I know nothing approach. Now, remember
[14:59] Speaker 1: when the news good. They know everything, They are involved
[15:01] Speaker 1: in every decision, They dotted every eye, they crossed every tea.
[15:04] Speaker 1: But this is a bit of a pattern. Remember when
[15:07] Speaker 1: the Minister for freebie's the one with so many free tickets,
[15:10] Speaker 1: She's got tickets on herself. What she had to say
[15:13] Speaker 1: when she was confronted with the government's failures to protect
[15:16] Speaker 1: the TRIPLEO system that of course was exposed by the
[15:19] Speaker 1: failures of Optus. This was her excuse.
[15:23] Speaker 9: I'm still a new minister to the industry, so i
[15:25] Speaker 9: would say, I'm listening to everybody at the moment.
[15:28] Speaker 1: Sorry, these people are on the board of Directors of
[15:32] Speaker 1: our country. No one told me, and I'm just new
[15:37] Speaker 1: here is rubbish. Both have been ministers for a long time,
[15:40] Speaker 1: both have been cabinet ministers for a significant period of time.
[15:44] Speaker 1: Yet for some reason this is acceptable and Musch of
[15:47] Speaker 1: the media will accept it. Why look over there, something
[15:49] Speaker 1: crazy happened in the center now speaking of whether the
[15:55] Speaker 1: Bureau and how it's got to get things right and
[15:57] Speaker 1: how people constantly keep an eye on things dar and
[16:00] Speaker 1: thankfully dodged the cyclone that made its way through there.
[16:04] Speaker 1: Clean up efforts were taking place today. There was also
[16:07] Speaker 1: one heck of a storm that happened in southeast Queensland,
[16:10] Speaker 1: where depending on where you live, there's a chance that
[16:12] Speaker 1: the hail was very large. His sky News Weather.
[16:16] Speaker 12: A lot of damage from the hail with smashed cars
[16:19] Speaker 12: and winds screens, which is really no surprise considering the
[16:22] Speaker 12: sheer size and scale of those hailstones. So really that
[16:25] Speaker 12: risk will continue throughout this evening and in tomorrow. So
[16:27] Speaker 12: that was all thanks to sarfas trov pulling in heat
[16:30] Speaker 12: and humidity causing all of that instability, allowing these showers
[16:33] Speaker 12: and storms to fire up, particularly so across southeast Queensland
[16:37] Speaker 12: and northeast New South Wales, which is pretty much the
[16:39] Speaker 12: pattern continuing into Tuesday and Tuesday evenings.
[16:43] Speaker 1: Now we often talk about the problem of people being
[16:46] Speaker 1: able to find a place to rent. The reality is
[16:51] Speaker 1: is that there's a whole bunch of homes that would
[16:52] Speaker 1: otherwise be available for rent, but people sort of keep
[16:54] Speaker 1: them for AIRB and B. These are places that don't
[16:57] Speaker 1: live in. These are the holiday house. Rather than renting
[17:00] Speaker 1: it out for six months, nine months, twelve months, you
[17:04] Speaker 1: sort of rented out for far more money every few weekends.
[17:08] Speaker 1: But the places therefore that are left available in big cities,
[17:13] Speaker 1: the prices for rents are through the roof now this
[17:19] Speaker 1: is the housing in which millions of people look to.
[17:23] Speaker 1: But have a look at this. Sydney's housing affordability index
[17:29] Speaker 1: has absolutely crashed. Now. The start of this graph is
[17:32] Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. The end of this graph is now.
[17:36] Speaker 1: You can see that the affordability has absolutely tanked. It's
[17:41] Speaker 1: got smashed post COVID in twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,
[17:46] Speaker 1: level off in twenty four, slightly better towards the start
[17:49] Speaker 1: of twenty five, but then back down to basement dwelling.
[17:54] Speaker 1: To give you an idea, and particularly in the Sydney
[17:56] Speaker 1: context of things, and there are similar pictures in different states.
[18:00] Speaker 1: But again, like a weather map, the greener it is,
[18:03] Speaker 1: the more affordable rental accommodation may be. The darker the color,
[18:07] Speaker 1: and particularly the reds show you just how unaffordable things
[18:11] Speaker 1: can be. Now, the reality of any map like this
[18:17] Speaker 1: is sure if you go further enough out, eventually you'll
[18:19] Speaker 1: find something you can afford. But if your job is
[18:21] Speaker 1: closer to the city and the unaffordable bits, that means
[18:26] Speaker 1: your commutes get longer and longer, the time that you
[18:28] Speaker 1: spend with the family less and less. The twenty twenty
[18:31] Speaker 1: five rental Affordability Index report has found quote not a
[18:36] Speaker 1: single suburb in Sydney's East, Lower north Shore or Northern
[18:41] Speaker 1: Beaches is classified as affordable for renters. That's unbelievable, meaning
[18:48] Speaker 1: the average Sydney renter now must travel up to twenty
[18:51] Speaker 1: kilometers from the CBD in order to find an affordable
[18:55] Speaker 1: place to live. Now, I get it, not every single
[18:58] Speaker 1: suburb is going to have a joint for a few
[19:00] Speaker 1: hundred dollars, but the reality is that we're talking about
[19:04] Speaker 1: in some cases joints that are going for more than
[19:06] Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a week. And by the way, the
[19:09] Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a week doesn't come with a pool
[19:11] Speaker 1: conducted air conditioning. Job Seekers and part time workers on
[19:16] Speaker 1: parenting payments are among those that hit the hardest by
[19:19] Speaker 1: the affordability crunch. Those receiving job seeker payments the doll
[19:24] Speaker 1: now need to allocate one hundred and thirty one percent
[19:27] Speaker 1: of the income towards rent in Sydney, meaning they can't
[19:30] Speaker 1: possibly rent in Sydney, making independent housing virtually impossible without
[19:36] Speaker 1: additional support. So perhaps two families in one place to
[19:39] Speaker 1: pay for something. This is not a sign of a
[19:44] Speaker 1: healthy economy. This is something that should be being dealt
[19:47] Speaker 1: with by government. But of course, look the other way,
[19:50] Speaker 1: someone did something offensive in the Senate. A full time
[19:52] Speaker 1: hospitality worker would need to spend forty two percent of
[19:56] Speaker 1: their income on rent. A single full time working parent
[19:59] Speaker 1: would spend thirty three percent, well above the affordability threshold.
[20:04] Speaker 1: So Australia is a beautiful place, but a hard place
[20:07] Speaker 1: to live for lots of people. We need to have
[20:11] Speaker 1: more homes being built for lots of different types of people.
[20:15] Speaker 1: Now it's fine that in existing wealthier suburbs they're going
[20:19] Speaker 1: to turn around and build more units. Well, they're going
[20:21] Speaker 1: to be expensive units. Many of those will be just
[20:24] Speaker 1: for sale, they won't be just for rent. So presumably
[20:29] Speaker 1: the people who may buy an investment property are going
[20:31] Speaker 1: to be doing so a little further out of town.
[20:34] Speaker 1: Nothing new in all of that. But if your job's
[20:36] Speaker 1: in the city, like say working for the hospital or
[20:39] Speaker 1: working for the restaurant in this case by Sydney Harbor,
[20:44] Speaker 1: the travel home is very long. I mean many times,
[20:48] Speaker 1: that's lots of times on public transport, or in many
[20:51] Speaker 1: times if you happen to be driving, it's sitting in queues.
[20:54] Speaker 1: Quality of life matters. Hopefully, if you're able to find
[20:57] Speaker 1: a place to rent, it's near where the kids go
[21:00] Speaker 1: to school, it's near where you have a job, will
[21:02] Speaker 1: have the opportunity to get a job. But for every
[21:05] Speaker 1: and who thinks they're nothing to see here, the reality
[21:08] Speaker 1: is there's plenty to see here. It's just many people
[21:10] Speaker 1: don't want to look, including those who, of course are
[21:13] Speaker 1: the MPs who are here to rule us all like
[21:16] Speaker 1: the kings and queens that they are. And every night
[21:20] Speaker 1: at about this time, I like to show you what
[21:22] Speaker 1: they do on social media, showbiz for ugly people while
[21:25] Speaker 1: you were working, to pay the tax, to pay their ways,
[21:28] Speaker 1: to pay their staff as to make crap videos like this.
[21:31] Speaker 1: For our old mate Kara, the member for Bonner, I mean,
[21:48] Speaker 1: she's the world CHAMPI at this stuff, right, she is
[21:51] Speaker 1: the world champ at this stuff. And whoever's eating it up?
[21:54] Speaker 1: What a diet of cardboard this is. As for the Greens,
[21:59] Speaker 1: this is what they say in the final week of parliament.
[22:01] Speaker 1: Help paid for with your money to pay the staffer
[22:04] Speaker 1: to film this. And it's not just Federal Parliament, this
[22:20] Speaker 1: is Western Australia's Deputy Premier making the most of their
[22:23] Speaker 1: taxpayer funded social media profile. Just a few days to go,
[22:39] Speaker 1: could Killing Season please include some of their social media profiles,
[22:43] Speaker 1: although we do enjoy the content and hopefully give you
[22:47] Speaker 1: a little insight into how they spent their time and
[22:50] Speaker 1: your money in a moment or two time. We have
[22:53] Speaker 1: a lot to discuss the night, including yes, the outrage
[22:56] Speaker 1: that exists in the Senate after Pauline Hanson where's a
[22:58] Speaker 1: berker for the second time since returning to the Senate.
[23:02] Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Climate Change Minister, whether
[23:05] Speaker 1: it's going to be part time, full time, or it
[23:07] Speaker 1: is a bit of a beat up. We'll get to
[23:08] Speaker 1: all of that plenty more, including a bit of a
[23:10] Speaker 1: surprise guest a little later in the show. Thanks for
[23:12] Speaker 1: watching on this Monday night. I'm wrapping it up early
[23:15] Speaker 1: because I reckon we have a good debate. Don't go anywhay, Hey,
[23:22] Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. A reminder Wednesday night
[23:25] Speaker 1: special edition of the show. We'll We're just going to
[23:26] Speaker 1: pause and I'll have a look back at the fifteen years,
[23:29] Speaker 1: our first fifteen years on air together. May there be
[23:32] Speaker 1: many more, of course, only possible because of your support
[23:35] Speaker 1: for the show and two blokes that have been a
[23:37] Speaker 1: big part of that over the past a little while.
[23:38] Speaker 1: Of course. Nicholas Race is the Lord Mayor of Melbourne.
[23:41] Speaker 1: Matt Canavan is the sending dif from Queensland, and both
[23:43] Speaker 1: have been very valuable and a big part of our
[23:45] Speaker 1: story over the many years. So lads, thank you as always.
[23:48] Speaker 1: If anyone has the power name straight or a day
[23:50] Speaker 1: after me in Melbourne, feel free. I'm sure that'll go
[23:53] Speaker 1: down very well. Or the good people of Rockampton can
[23:55] Speaker 1: all just throw rose pedals on the streets when we
[23:58] Speaker 1: turn up next time. All right, let's get to the
[24:01] Speaker 1: obvious here about Pauline Hanson in the Senate. The blow
[24:04] Speaker 1: up was rather instant after she wore a burger for
[24:08] Speaker 1: the second time in the Parliament roll the tape of outrage.
[24:13] Speaker 4: Clearly what has happened today is not a genuine demonstration
[24:17] Speaker 4: of faith. In fact, it is the middle finger to
[24:21] Speaker 4: people of faith. It is extremely racist and unsafe.
[24:26] Speaker 5: Well, we should not do in this place, whatever views
[24:29] Speaker 5: we may have on policy, is to be this disrespectful.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Don't you love the green Such defenders of faith and
[24:37] Speaker 1: the honoring of faith that they are up, and they're
[24:40] Speaker 1: up and on their haunches tonight. Pauline Hanson, for her part,
[24:43] Speaker 1: this is why she did it, and this is what
[24:46] Speaker 1: she said to Andrew Bolt a bit earlier tonight.
[24:50] Speaker 7: You know, I think it goes against our culture, in
[24:53] Speaker 7: our way of life, and this is why I wanted
[24:56] Speaker 7: to introduce the bill. Now, I just started to introduce
[24:59] Speaker 7: the bill. It took one voice, Andrew, there was a
[25:02] Speaker 7: couple actually said no, denied me the right. So straight
[25:05] Speaker 7: away they denied me the right to ban the burker.
[25:08] Speaker 7: So I actually left the chamber. I went up and
[25:09] Speaker 7: I put the burker on, and I thought, well, if
[25:11] Speaker 7: you won't ban the burker, then I'm going.
[25:13] Speaker 1: To wear it.
[25:14] Speaker 7: Well, didn't that upset them? They didn't want me to
[25:17] Speaker 7: wear the burker and pumped. They don't want to ban it,
[25:19] Speaker 7: but they don't want me to wear an em parliament.
[25:20] Speaker 7: So what do they want? They are a bunch of hypocrites.
[25:24] Speaker 1: Now, Matt, as I said, I think the story today
[25:27] Speaker 1: is that when a foreign dignitary comes, everyone's told to
[25:29] Speaker 1: turn their phone off. Don't you to see here about
[25:32] Speaker 1: the internal issues when it comes to Chinese security. But
[25:35] Speaker 1: this is the one that people are going to want
[25:37] Speaker 1: to talk about tonight. Your thoughts on what took place.
[25:41] Speaker 13: Look, I think it's disrespectful, paul I think it's disrespectful
[25:44] Speaker 13: to Muslim Australian So I don't think you should try
[25:47] Speaker 13: and ridicule people like this. It's a stunt. It's turning
[25:50] Speaker 13: our set into a clown show. I mean that whole
[25:52] Speaker 13: cross bench just trying to out do each other now
[25:56] Speaker 13: by putting on a bigger circus actor. I mean our
[25:59] Speaker 13: nation's part. It should be a chamber where we deliberate,
[26:02] Speaker 13: where we debate, we can test ideas. But instead the
[26:06] Speaker 13: oxygen of these cross bench senators is to become more
[26:09] Speaker 13: and more outrageous because that helps you get airtime as
[26:14] Speaker 13: we're talking about it right now, and it gets you
[26:18] Speaker 13: a ten percent or so of the vote to keep
[26:20] Speaker 13: your spot as a senator. It's debasing our nation's parliament
[26:24] Speaker 13: to It's not just of course, Pauline Hanson. We've seen
[26:27] Speaker 13: it from Lydia Thorpe. I've sent it from Santa Hanson
[26:29] Speaker 13: Young the other week. Bring a dead fish into the
[26:32] Speaker 13: end of the chamber. I mean, is this what our
[26:34] Speaker 13: founding fathers thought they were establishing in a deliberate body
[26:37] Speaker 13: here in Canberra. It sickens me. I think we should
[26:41] Speaker 13: get back to cool business on a day today. It
[26:43] Speaker 13: was the first day we're back here opposing net zero.
[26:46] Speaker 13: We've got the biggest numbers of parliamentarians against net zero
[26:49] Speaker 13: since we signed up to twenty twenty one, seventy of
[26:51] Speaker 13: the LMP, a few from one Nation, a few from
[26:54] Speaker 13: Palmer's Party. But this was a day to put pressure
[26:56] Speaker 13: on them. Instead, Pauline's let the government off the hook.
[26:59] Speaker 13: They were getting under press. Question time was very interesting
[27:01] Speaker 13: today on this issue and NED zero a government's failing agenda.
[27:05] Speaker 13: But instead Pauline's let the government off the hook with this silly,
[27:07] Speaker 13: recycled stunt too. Paul mad It's exactly what she did
[27:10] Speaker 13: eight years ago. Maybe she needs some new material.
[27:13] Speaker 1: Nicholas, what do you think about this and what real
[27:15] Speaker 1: world reaction do you have?
[27:18] Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, Matt and I live at opposite ends.
[27:20] Speaker 10: Of the country and we have different views on lots
[27:23] Speaker 10: of issues, but I'm in complete agreement with the good
[27:26] Speaker 10: Senator on this one. I think this act by Pauline
[27:29] Speaker 10: Hanson today was a new low even for her. It's
[27:33] Speaker 10: a recycled stunt that she's done before. I do think
[27:37] Speaker 10: It's one thing to obviously wear religious dress as part
[27:40] Speaker 10: of your faith. It's another thing to do it as
[27:42] Speaker 10: part of a political stunt where you're trying to politically profit.
[27:46] Speaker 10: The Parliament was lowered today and let's not kid ourselves.
[27:51] Speaker 10: This sort of behavior by Pauline Hanson has real negative
[27:55] Speaker 10: consequences out there on the streets of Australia. I've seen
[27:59] Speaker 10: this first hand paul in my municipality. In fact, just
[28:03] Speaker 10: a couple of months ago, I had one of my
[28:05] Speaker 10: constituents of Lady Fidomo right to me. She was African lady.
[28:13] Speaker 6: Also Muslim background.
[28:15] Speaker 10: And she was actually attacked out on the streets in
[28:18] Speaker 10: North Melbourne.
[28:19] Speaker 6: There.
[28:20] Speaker 10: She was racially abused, she was spat on, she hadjib
[28:25] Speaker 10: pulled off her head by another woman I should stress
[28:28] Speaker 10: out on the streets. I was so distressed when I
[28:32] Speaker 10: read this letter from her. I actually went and visited
[28:35] Speaker 10: her in her community, had a meal with her. She's
[28:38] Speaker 10: just a regular oussie mum bringing up four kids, hoping
[28:41] Speaker 10: they go to UNI, hope they have good lives. And
[28:44] Speaker 10: to hear that she doesn't feel safe in our country,
[28:49] Speaker 10: that is just shocking. And the acts of paul in
[28:51] Speaker 10: hands to day means good people like Fordumo will feel
[28:56] Speaker 10: increasingly unsafe in our country. And I was just finished
[29:00] Speaker 10: on this by saying calls for some Paul and hence
[29:02] Speaker 10: for someone who bangs on and on about Australia. What
[29:05] Speaker 10: we saw today was not the Australian way. This is
[29:08] Speaker 10: a country where we respect people, we value them, we
[29:12] Speaker 10: welcome them. And today was just fewer political stunts. That
[29:17] Speaker 10: has a real negative, real world consequence.
[29:20] Speaker 1: All right, let's get the other stuff around, including obviously
[29:24] Speaker 1: a cop and even again I showed you last night.
[29:27] Speaker 1: The best possible spin on things was countries were told
[29:30] Speaker 1: to bring back their homework and show what their targets were,
[29:33] Speaker 1: and countries didn't do that. Other than that, I'm not
[29:37] Speaker 1: entirely sure what the great meat. Remember the meeting that
[29:40] Speaker 1: was so important we had to spend two billion dollars
[29:42] Speaker 1: potentially hosting it, but the Prime Minister hasn't been to
[29:45] Speaker 1: one of them. Okay, we all know Bowen's offer as
[29:48] Speaker 1: we speak now and needs to be part of the
[29:50] Speaker 1: negotiations and the conversations about whether or not we're moving
[29:53] Speaker 1: fast or fast enough away from fossil fuels. Well, again,
[29:56] Speaker 1: this is your Ballywick, Senator. But your thoughts on again
[30:00] Speaker 1: the I don't want to say cop out because it's
[30:02] Speaker 1: the pussiest joke of all, but I'll stand by it.
[30:05] Speaker 1: The cop out of cop.
[30:09] Speaker 13: Well, look, it was a complete failure on its own terms.
[30:11] Speaker 13: As you just said, Paul, two thirds of countries did
[30:14] Speaker 13: not even get their climate targets in on time. Puts
[30:19] Speaker 13: paid to the ridiculous notion that somehow we'd be kicked
[30:21] Speaker 13: out of Paris if we didn't sun to at zero.
[30:23] Speaker 13: What's happening to these two thirds about one hundred and
[30:26] Speaker 13: thirty countries that aren't even putting in their targets on time.
[30:29] Speaker 13: The whole thing is turned into a face a hypocritical,
[30:32] Speaker 13: comical farce.
[30:33] Speaker 6: But at that and I don't know.
[30:34] Speaker 13: Why we'd want to host this stuff breaking news tonight though, Paul.
[30:37] Speaker 13: The government's just put out a joint media release officially
[30:39] Speaker 13: announcing they've got a formal agreement with Turkey next year.
[30:42] Speaker 13: That agreement's quite lengthy, but it does include the provision
[30:46] Speaker 13: that Australia will take on the logistical and operational requirements
[30:50] Speaker 13: for a pre cop pre cop out needing, if you like, Paul,
[30:53] Speaker 13: A failure before the bigger failure in the Pacific Island
[30:57] Speaker 13: Nations next year. That seems to me to indicate we're
[31:00] Speaker 13: paying for it, that we're taking on the logistical and
[31:03] Speaker 13: operational requirements for this meeting, we're paying for it. We're
[31:05] Speaker 13: also because our part time Energy Minister Chris Bowen is
[31:09] Speaker 13: going to be the President of negotiations, he and you
[31:13] Speaker 13: Australian taxpayer, are going to take on the logistical and
[31:15] Speaker 13: operational requirements of consultation ahead of the negotiation. So it
[31:19] Speaker 13: sounds to me like we're paying for the preparation of
[31:21] Speaker 13: the Turkey meeting as well. The Government needs to answer
[31:24] Speaker 13: questions here about how much this is going to cost
[31:26] Speaker 13: Australian taxpayers when it just leads to failure anyway.
[31:30] Speaker 1: Well, and again, I mean, the positions of the Pacific
[31:33] Speaker 1: Island Nations are not a mystery theoretically. Their positions, what
[31:37] Speaker 1: they've wanted, what their demands are, are all pretty easy
[31:41] Speaker 1: to know at this moment in time. Just go back
[31:43] Speaker 1: to the most recent Pacific Islands Forum, or the one before,
[31:46] Speaker 1: the one before, the one before. But the idea that
[31:48] Speaker 1: a brand new way of saying exactly the same thing
[31:51] Speaker 1: and making the same demands of rich countries. Well, we'll
[31:55] Speaker 1: all have to pay for that together. Today, when the
[31:57] Speaker 1: subjects of zero etc. Came up in Question Time, future
[32:02] Speaker 1: Prime Minister Jim Charmons just believe him, thinks that. Well,
[32:06] Speaker 1: they're on the good ground and the opposition is holding
[32:09] Speaker 1: onto old technology.
[32:10] Speaker 3: Have a look when it comes to renewables and when
[32:14] Speaker 3: it comes to the orderly transition to net zero. This
[32:18] Speaker 3: is what a dozen energy retail CEOs have had to say.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Rob Wills from Squadron Energy.
[32:22] Speaker 3: We know that Australia's coal fleet is nearing the end
[32:25] Speaker 3: of its economic and technological lifespoad, with coal plan outages
[32:29] Speaker 3: driving higher price period Carl is killing affordability and reliability.
[32:34] Speaker 1: Nicholas, forgive me, but I'm going to lead the witness
[32:36] Speaker 1: with this question. As you know, for fifteen years, the
[32:39] Speaker 1: conversation has not been about the existence of but to
[32:41] Speaker 1: the cost of transition. As I've always argued, we can
[32:44] Speaker 1: talk about what the comparative prices of things after entire
[32:48] Speaker 1: networks have been built, but the billions of dollars to
[32:50] Speaker 1: build the networks is part of the conversation. All right,
[32:54] Speaker 1: we'd all love to jump into the time machine and say, hey,
[32:57] Speaker 1: this has been built. Well, of course it costs money
[32:59] Speaker 1: to build. Those same energy CEOs that were quoted by
[33:02] Speaker 1: the Treasurer collectively told us pay power prices keep going
[33:06] Speaker 1: up for the next ten years. So I want to
[33:08] Speaker 1: just ask this question, do you think that power price
[33:12] Speaker 1: increases don't seem to have the political potency that someone
[33:17] Speaker 1: like Matt thinks that they do because two seventy five
[33:21] Speaker 1: came and went government got re elected. Prices keep going
[33:24] Speaker 1: up for ten years, but if the increments are small enough,
[33:27] Speaker 1: people won't notice, or is at some point cost of
[33:31] Speaker 1: transition as nerve racking as it was back in a
[33:36] Speaker 1: twenty ten where we hadn't spent the money yet.
[33:39] Speaker 10: Oh well, look, I think cost of living and rising
[33:43] Speaker 10: energy prices is always going to be a politically sensitive issue.
[33:46] Speaker 10: It has a real impact on households. But I also,
[33:51] Speaker 10: as you all knew and your viewers know, I think
[33:54] Speaker 10: we should be leaning in around the renewable energy transition.
[33:58] Speaker 10: It's something we have to do as a country. That
[34:00] Speaker 10: doesn't mean it's always going to be smooth sailing. There's
[34:02] Speaker 10: going to be bumpy days. And you know Matt's right,
[34:05] Speaker 10: at a high level, I suppose this hasn't been a
[34:07] Speaker 10: particularly successful cop meaning, but they're not always successful. This
[34:11] Speaker 10: is this is life. You know, two steps forward, one
[34:13] Speaker 10: step back. Some days it's two steps back. But we've
[34:17] Speaker 10: got to keep going and we will get there. And
[34:19] Speaker 10: you know, I've got great faith in humanity. We're up
[34:22] Speaker 10: for this. We've we've seen big changes before, whether that
[34:24] Speaker 10: was the Industrial Revolution. You know, this country has gone
[34:28] Speaker 10: through two World wars.
[34:29] Speaker 6: We'll get through this.
[34:30] Speaker 10: And dare I say the energy transitions nowhere near as
[34:32] Speaker 10: big a deal as they were, But so I'm confident
[34:35] Speaker 10: we all get through it, and ultimately we will have
[34:38] Speaker 10: clean energy and we will have cheaper energy, and we
[34:40] Speaker 10: can already see that happening in parts of the world.
[34:45] Speaker 13: It sounds like, Paul, it's a bit like that Lord
[34:47] Speaker 13: Farquhar speech in Shrek. You know, some of some of
[34:51] Speaker 13: you will not survive, some of you will lose your jobs.
[34:53] Speaker 13: But it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, you know.
[34:55] Speaker 13: I mean great, thank you very much. I mean it'll
[34:57] Speaker 13: just be a bit bumpy saying any of the p
[35:00] Speaker 13: make make sure you put the sleep out on.
[35:02] Speaker 1: Yeah again, look back.
[35:03] Speaker 6: I assume the braces position.
[35:04] Speaker 1: Part of my issue here about what happens in twelve
[35:07] Speaker 1: months from now is the Trump administration will still be
[35:10] Speaker 1: in charge in the United States. Even if every single
[35:13] Speaker 1: lefty dream came possible and there was to be some
[35:15] Speaker 1: magical change in president, we'll guess what journey evans won't
[35:18] Speaker 1: be making any changes in the next twelve months. China, Okay,
[35:22] Speaker 1: they might come up with something, but of course the
[35:25] Speaker 1: kicking date won't still be until ten years after everyone else.
[35:29] Speaker 1: Once you throw in the third world, of which none
[35:31] Speaker 1: of this applies to, again, the climate clock, well, that's
[35:34] Speaker 1: thirty five minutes covered. Then there's India developing nation. Then
[35:38] Speaker 1: there's Russia again forty five minutes of the climate clock.
[35:41] Speaker 1: I know exactly where it's going to be in twelve
[35:43] Speaker 1: months time. So unless that forty five minuss is about
[35:47] Speaker 1: the change in terms of its action, that is part
[35:49] Speaker 1: of the frustration here. Doesn't mean we do nothing, No,
[35:51] Speaker 1: doesn't mean we don't believe in climate change. No, but
[35:54] Speaker 1: the one percent of the world that is Australia ain't
[35:57] Speaker 1: going to move forty five minutes of the rest of
[35:59] Speaker 1: the damn clock.
[36:02] Speaker 13: I mean, I think the government's in a really difficult
[36:04] Speaker 13: position here now because it's so committed to this net
[36:07] Speaker 13: zero failing the zero agenda, it can't seem to pivot
[36:10] Speaker 13: and shift with the shifting winds that are occurring around
[36:12] Speaker 13: the world. I have spent the last couple of weeks
[36:14] Speaker 13: briefing big business on why the National's Party dropped net zero,
[36:18] Speaker 13: and even myself, I've been surprised about the realism I've heard.
[36:22] Speaker 13: You know, maybe it doesn't they just can't say it
[36:24] Speaker 13: publicly yet, but many of them understand and realize that
[36:29] Speaker 13: we're not going to get to net zero. It's costing
[36:31] Speaker 13: a fortune, and in particular, the rest of the world
[36:33] Speaker 13: is getting off the train. You've seen Bill Gates call
[36:36] Speaker 13: a cat on this, now Bell a cat on it.
[36:39] Speaker 13: So he obviously needs the permanent energy, the constant energy
[36:43] Speaker 13: for his data centers. That's happening all around the world.
[36:46] Speaker 13: Saw even you have seen a bit of a chink
[36:48] Speaker 13: last week with the banks. A couple of the banks
[36:51] Speaker 13: actually let your peep behind the curtain and say, look,
[36:54] Speaker 13: we're not going to get to net zero.
[36:55] Speaker 6: It's too challenging.
[36:57] Speaker 13: Indeed, one of the banks EGO said that net zero
[36:59] Speaker 13: is medicine is going to kill the patient. And so
[37:03] Speaker 13: I just you could just see this about to crack here,
[37:06] Speaker 13: and and what I believe the liberal National parties have
[37:08] Speaker 13: done taking a courageous decision here, Well, hang on, Nick,
[37:11] Speaker 13: you're taking a courageous decision here. Is giving a courage
[37:14] Speaker 13: to other people who know that there's something wrong with this,
[37:17] Speaker 13: who know in their guts I'm not going to work
[37:20] Speaker 13: say it because everybody gets everybody gets called the treasurer. Nick,
[37:24] Speaker 13: the treasurer is out there calling people who don't believe
[37:27] Speaker 13: he's ned z your agenda cookers and crackpots.
[37:30] Speaker 6: I mean, what the hell is that kind of language?
[37:32] Speaker 13: How is that a serious response to the challenges we
[37:35] Speaker 13: face as the country?
[37:36] Speaker 6: Right? Oh you're all a cooker and crackpot if you
[37:38] Speaker 6: don't agree with me.
[37:39] Speaker 13: I mean, mate, this is not real Like They've got
[37:41] Speaker 13: to get back into the hardcore reality of the of
[37:45] Speaker 13: the real world here and solve these problems because right
[37:48] Speaker 13: now they're living in a fancy land and that's why
[37:50] Speaker 13: everything is going to hell.
[37:53] Speaker 6: I'll give you the real world, man.
[37:54] Speaker 10: And I don't feel angry when you say these things.
[37:56] Speaker 10: Actually feel sad because you're showing that the National part
[38:00] Speaker 10: is not a serious political party, and you're not serious
[38:03] Speaker 10: about leading.
[38:04] Speaker 13: Calling you a coquer crack pot that these issues. Do
[38:08] Speaker 13: you think what Jim saying Do you think, Jim, do
[38:11] Speaker 13: you think what Jim is saying is a sensible contribution.
[38:13] Speaker 10: I listened to you patiently there for a moment, So
[38:15] Speaker 10: give me a turn.
[38:17] Speaker 13: I'm not calling you a cooker, a crack pot.
[38:20] Speaker 6: So maybe just say with your support.
[38:23] Speaker 10: Investment in new technology and their transition. You know, China
[38:27] Speaker 10: installed more solar in one month back in April than
[38:30] Speaker 10: Australia has, and they've done a lot of They are
[38:33] Speaker 10: really leaning in on this. So don't just look to
[38:36] Speaker 10: the United States and the Trump administration for your learn
[38:39] Speaker 10: when it comes to climate action. Have a look at
[38:42] Speaker 10: what other.
[38:43] Speaker 1: We are not do.
[38:44] Speaker 6: We obviously haven't read our report. You haven't, Randy, obviously
[38:47] Speaker 6: I have read an emport. What we're saying is we
[38:49] Speaker 6: should do we should do.
[38:52] Speaker 10: What on sun and wind, which can turn us into
[38:55] Speaker 10: a green power, a green power superpower. There's a huge
[38:58] Speaker 10: opportunity to do for it to Japan and many other
[39:02] Speaker 10: You have a very interesting engaging with us on that.
[39:04] Speaker 1: Now. I mentioned it before our news poll. Much has
[39:08] Speaker 1: been tilled over here, has been not a full sort
[39:13] Speaker 1: of political cycle of many, many weeks, but still a
[39:16] Speaker 1: little bit of distance since the decision was made in
[39:18] Speaker 1: and around NED zero. No change when it comes to
[39:20] Speaker 1: the primary vote of the Coalition or labor one nation
[39:23] Speaker 1: more popular than the Greens. The margin a little tighter
[39:25] Speaker 1: than in some other poles, but you can't avoid one
[39:29] Speaker 1: moment here and again, you know, Devil's advocate, or at
[39:33] Speaker 1: least seeing the world sometimes perhaps not as I wish
[39:36] Speaker 1: it to be, but as it actually is. Reality is,
[39:39] Speaker 1: since the election, which was fifty five forty five, it's
[39:41] Speaker 1: now fifty eight to forty two. Now, Matt, I know
[39:45] Speaker 1: that as when we've had this chap before. Your belief
[39:47] Speaker 1: is that over the period of time things start to
[39:50] Speaker 1: get better. Why because there's this differentiation on policy. But
[39:54] Speaker 1: wouldn't we have expected some sort of a wiggle in
[39:57] Speaker 1: the polls after such a week long open public discussion
[40:03] Speaker 1: about this matter.
[40:05] Speaker 13: Yep, Yeah, Well, Paul, you can't take one pole of
[40:09] Speaker 13: a thousand people and draw conclusions like that.
[40:11] Speaker 6: The marginal error of these poles is about three points.
[40:14] Speaker 13: So if we if that Pollard come in, if that
[40:16] Speaker 13: Pollard come in with a three point bump, all your
[40:18] Speaker 13: political journals about going what a master stroke the coalition's
[40:22] Speaker 13: back all that.
[40:22] Speaker 6: It could have just been noise. It could have just
[40:24] Speaker 6: been statistical noise. I mean that's true to you can't
[40:28] Speaker 6: the things in a clear right way.
[40:30] Speaker 10: I mean the vote of other combined Greens and other
[40:35] Speaker 10: combined is now higher than the coalition primary vote, like
[40:38] Speaker 10: that should be ringing alarm.
[40:42] Speaker 13: I know, absolutely, And that's that's what we're trying to
[40:45] Speaker 13: change things next.
[40:46] Speaker 6: That's why. But that was the case. But that the case.
[40:50] Speaker 6: So if you want to if.
[40:51] Speaker 10: You want to know that was the case before base
[40:54] Speaker 10: make yourself a very narrow hard right party that can't
[40:59] Speaker 10: connect with the rest.
[40:59] Speaker 6: Of six months and see where we're going in the
[41:02] Speaker 6: path where you are.
[41:03] Speaker 10: But you need to get a bit of optimism back
[41:05] Speaker 10: in there and have real plans for so and that's
[41:07] Speaker 10: got to require taking action on climate change, real action.
[41:10] Speaker 1: All right, boys, I love you. I wish we could
[41:12] Speaker 1: got Nick.
[41:13] Speaker 13: But Nick again, you haven't read our report. We are
[41:16] Speaker 13: saying reduced missions, we're saying we'll do it in conjunction,
[41:20] Speaker 13: in calibration with the developed world.
[41:22] Speaker 1: All right, you both.
[41:24] Speaker 13: Numbers we do that poor so not US, just Japan
[41:27] Speaker 13: and Korea, and Europe do it with them. You what
[41:30] Speaker 13: you want to do, what Line Party wants to do,
[41:31] Speaker 13: is go three times faster than the advanced world.
[41:33] Speaker 1: All right, I truly have to go. I truly have
[41:36] Speaker 1: to go because, unlike Channel Too, there are people who
[41:38] Speaker 1: will pay our bills, those being the wonderful advertisers. We'll
[41:41] Speaker 1: see you again next week. Thank you boys, to appreciate
[41:43] Speaker 1: Senator a mess to mayor lovely to see you both.
[41:45] Speaker 1: All right, quick break back with more special guests coming up,
[41:48] Speaker 1: because I want to talk about the secrecy of this government.
[41:51] Speaker 1: The guests may surprise, but the subjects really important we
[41:54] Speaker 1: want to seek you. I can't stand how secretive this
[42:01] Speaker 1: government is, and I also can't understand how often people
[42:05] Speaker 1: turn around say by oh, but compared to the pre no, no, no, no,
[42:08] Speaker 1: these people are in power. They use freedom of information
[42:11] Speaker 1: to say no to everything, and they're trying to beef
[42:13] Speaker 1: up those laws to say no to even more. And
[42:16] Speaker 1: whatever documents they do end up handing over, they are
[42:20] Speaker 1: constantly redacted. A senator whom probably disagrees with me as
[42:25] Speaker 1: much as I do him on many different issues is
[42:28] Speaker 1: Senator David Pocock. We spoke a little bit earlier about
[42:31] Speaker 1: this phenomena that he is trying to take the fight
[42:34] Speaker 1: up to and I will gladly invite him on the
[42:36] Speaker 1: program to discuss this and other matters because our democracy
[42:40] Speaker 1: needs more sunlight.
[42:43] Speaker 6: A huge number of things.
[42:44] Speaker 14: Paul, and I guess it's really frustrating because labor and
[42:48] Speaker 14: Opposition railed against Scott Morrison's secrecy and then when the
[42:52] Speaker 14: numbers were crunched on the last parliament, it turns out
[42:55] Speaker 14: that the Albanezi government was more secretive than the Morrison government,
[42:58] Speaker 14: you know, the government who after they lose lose government,
[43:03] Speaker 14: we find out that the prime minister had five secret ministries.
[43:06] Speaker 14: Like that's a pretty big achievement being more secretive than them.
[43:10] Speaker 14: And you're right, they kind of say, well, where everyone
[43:14] Speaker 14: does it, but it just doesn't cut it.
[43:16] Speaker 6: Like the sorts of things.
[43:17] Speaker 14: I mean, in the last week we've seen them put
[43:20] Speaker 14: a suppression order on a public interview with a foreign
[43:27] Speaker 14: prime minister, with the na Ruin prime minister. I just
[43:30] Speaker 14: don't see how that is something that shouldn't be in
[43:34] Speaker 14: the public domain. You know, I've been chasing reports on
[43:38] Speaker 14: jobs for mates that the government commissioned, all sorts of
[43:41] Speaker 14: things and I think really are in the public interest.
[43:44] Speaker 14: You know that they are paying for these reports and
[43:47] Speaker 14: getting these reports done in our name, and I don't
[43:50] Speaker 14: see why there's an argument that they shouldn't be made public.
[43:53] Speaker 1: Why do you think that the benefit of the doubt
[43:56] Speaker 1: has extended as long as it has in and around
[43:59] Speaker 1: this government? Again, I understand what the echo was from
[44:03] Speaker 1: the previous one. But if you stand up and say
[44:06] Speaker 1: we are going to do X and you end up
[44:09] Speaker 1: doing the exact opposite of it, people start to get annoyed.
[44:12] Speaker 1: Now I'm not talking about moving votes. I'm just talking
[44:14] Speaker 1: about surely this government has lost the benefit of the
[44:18] Speaker 1: doubt that they are going to be transparent because the
[44:21] Speaker 1: proof is very different. And as you say, we're talking
[44:25] Speaker 1: about a suppression order of ten years on the translation
[44:28] Speaker 1: of a Facebook video, not the secrets about where's Harold Holt,
[44:33] Speaker 1: no secrets about where's the gold in the snowy Mountain scheme,
[44:37] Speaker 1: no secrets about you know, I don't know where the
[44:40] Speaker 1: free uranium is whatever. Right, this is stuff, And again
[44:45] Speaker 1: it's sort of pretty it seems just like this week.
[44:47] Speaker 1: Reasons for this being put in place as well, don't
[44:51] Speaker 1: you think.
[44:54] Speaker 14: Well, it seems to be something that both sides of
[44:57] Speaker 14: politics do, and I think it's something that Independence and
[45:01] Speaker 14: the entire Crossbench really has been pushing governments on for
[45:05] Speaker 14: a very long time now, saying transparency should be the
[45:09] Speaker 14: sort of the bare minimum, the entry level to being
[45:13] Speaker 14: a government. You are doing things in our name. You
[45:16] Speaker 14: should be transparent in your decisions. When you get these
[45:19] Speaker 14: independent reports, they should be made public. When you do consultation.
[45:23] Speaker 14: There shouldn't be non disclosure agreements. These are things when
[45:26] Speaker 14: I talk to people I represent here in the Act
[45:28] Speaker 14: that common sense, so of course that should that should
[45:31] Speaker 14: be the standard. But we see both sides of politics,
[45:34] Speaker 14: I don't know, treating us for mugs and I guess
[45:37] Speaker 14: using the lack of transparency as a way to go
[45:41] Speaker 14: about the business of government. And I guess I'm really
[45:45] Speaker 14: concerned in the scheme of things. If you zoom out
[45:48] Speaker 14: you look across the world, we're seeing this erosion in
[45:51] Speaker 14: trust in politicians, in government, in institutions, and yet we're
[45:55] Speaker 14: facing some pretty big challenges and I think politicians, governments,
[45:59] Speaker 14: institutions need to be stepping up and actually doing things
[46:02] Speaker 14: that rebuild that trust.
[46:04] Speaker 1: You know, this is something that is really important right
[46:06] Speaker 1: if the Libs want to learn any lesson out of
[46:08] Speaker 1: the past two thumpings they got at federal elections, integrity issues,
[46:12] Speaker 1: transparency issues, there's stuff that doesn't cost money. It just costs, yes,
[46:18] Speaker 1: a little bit of political advantage that you might be
[46:20] Speaker 1: willing to give up should you ever get anywhere near government.
[46:22] Speaker 1: But Fedickham, you know there are plenty of people who
[46:25] Speaker 1: are there, you know, to assist and they should be
[46:27] Speaker 1: backing you in at all quarters on this. Hey, before
[46:30] Speaker 1: we go, one of the other things you're firing up
[46:32] Speaker 1: about at the moment is some of these are not
[46:34] Speaker 1: so subtle but significant changes when it comes to social security.
[46:38] Speaker 1: What do we need to keep an eye on, Senator.
[46:43] Speaker 14: Well, the government had this bill which really didn't contain
[46:46] Speaker 14: much controversial, had had the back he basically everyone, and
[46:51] Speaker 14: it went through a inquiry process and there was a
[46:55] Speaker 14: week between the end of the inquiry and this bill
[46:58] Speaker 14: passing being introduced and passed in the Low House, and
[47:00] Speaker 14: they whacked on what was a sort of titled Schedule five,
[47:04] Speaker 14: which essentially gives the AFP Minister of the day the
[47:07] Speaker 14: ability to cancel someone's Social security payments without them being
[47:12] Speaker 14: proven guilty. Of an offense, so that the government says, well,
[47:15] Speaker 14: if someone is accused of a serious crime and then
[47:21] Speaker 14: is on the loose or the police say listen, we
[47:24] Speaker 14: can't find this this person, then we can just cut
[47:26] Speaker 14: their social securities payments. The Australian Law Counsel, over one
[47:33] Speaker 14: hundred frontline community organizations have said, hang on, this is
[47:38] Speaker 14: a really dangerous precedent to actually say we can essentially
[47:43] Speaker 14: punish someone the Parliament, the minister can punish someone before
[47:47] Speaker 14: they're actually proven guilty in a court of law. So,
[47:51] Speaker 14: you know, myself and other cross Bench has made a
[47:54] Speaker 14: lot of noise about it today. It'll come up to
[47:56] Speaker 14: a vote I assume tomorrow. I just really worry about
[48:00] Speaker 14: this President. You know, these people they may well be
[48:04] Speaker 14: on the run, but they could also have children who
[48:07] Speaker 14: are dependent on the payments or whatever they may be receiving.
[48:11] Speaker 14: And I just don't think without due process, we should
[48:15] Speaker 14: be handing a minister that much power.
[48:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. David Pocock, the Independent Senator from the Act Interesting
[48:22] Speaker 1: will debate that as the days go on, about whether
[48:24] Speaker 1: or not settling payments should be able to be stopped
[48:27] Speaker 1: by the minister, or whether that's something that happens at
[48:30] Speaker 1: the end of a court case. At meantime, the Senator,
[48:33] Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes ago, has actually read the
[48:35] Speaker 1: transcript of the Nruin president's Facebook video, the one that
[48:42] Speaker 1: has been ruled so secret by this government it can't
[48:45] Speaker 1: be seen for ten years, has now been read into
[48:48] Speaker 1: the transcript in the Senate. Again, Well done to the
[48:53] Speaker 1: Senator for pushing back on some of the nonsense in
[48:55] Speaker 1: around the secrecy of this government. No doubt details about
[48:58] Speaker 1: that again tomorrow morning with peace, Stefanovick and a whole
[49:01] Speaker 1: lot more quick break back with more A good idea
[49:03] Speaker 1: from a good bloke next time to celebrate someone doing
[49:12] Speaker 1: something nice. I said it was a good idea from
[49:14] Speaker 1: a good bloke. Well Dounder, Dick Smith. He gave a
[49:15] Speaker 1: million bucks to Police Legacy recently he's suggesting that anyone
[49:19] Speaker 1: who's been as fortunate as him should do the same.
[49:22] Speaker 1: Police Legacy an excellent charity representing beautiful families of those
[49:26] Speaker 1: left behind because their family members died in the line
[49:31] Speaker 1: of duty. That's our show for and I we'll see
[49:33] Speaker 1: you again tomorrow night. Get ready for the late debate.
[49:35] Speaker 1: It's now

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