# Paul Murray Live | 19 January

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 19 Jan 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/0a02d636-add6-496d-9d3f-b3d700c55bc9/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Parliament honours the Bondi massacre victims, One Nation support surges in the Newspoll. Plus, a third Sydney shark attack in two days. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Thank you, James get I Australia. It is so good
[0:02] Speaker 1: to be back on the telly, not just yelling out
[0:04] Speaker 1: the teley, but yelling through it and agreeing with you
[0:06] Speaker 1: about how crazy this world has been and is each
[0:09] Speaker 1: and every night. Now politicians back in Canberra. As you know,
[0:13] Speaker 1: we'll also have a discussion about the travel roots. Now
[0:17] Speaker 1: remember the Minister for Freebies. We haven't forgotten her. We'll
[0:20] Speaker 1: tell you a little more detail that others have moved
[0:22] Speaker 1: on beyond. But I will get back to it because
[0:24] Speaker 1: I've been asked plenty about it over summer and just
[0:27] Speaker 1: hit an Amber Jipper Price on this show, her first
[0:29] Speaker 1: appearance of twenty twenty six. Welcome to a new show.
[0:32] Speaker 1: That's the same show, that's the show you've always loved,
[0:36] Speaker 1: You know the deal from the Sky News Center. This
[0:41] Speaker 1: is Paul Murray Live. Well forgive me, I'd a bit
[0:46] Speaker 1: excited about the new show. Well, we've actually got a
[0:49] Speaker 1: slightly new surroundings. I will show you now what I
[0:51] Speaker 1: have been doing over summer, and that has been We've
[0:54] Speaker 1: been cleaning up the man Cave. We sort of grown
[0:57] Speaker 1: up a little bit. We've classed up the joint, a
[1:00] Speaker 1: new carpenter or two in so beautiful new detail. And
[1:04] Speaker 1: this is our home base each and every night. Thank
[1:07] Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Now let us get
[1:09] Speaker 1: to the obvious today, which has been the events that
[1:11] Speaker 1: have been taking place in Canberra today. Most politicians were
[1:15] Speaker 1: able to summon up the obvious courage to speak about
[1:18] Speaker 1: the difficulties after Bondi last year, and they had some
[1:23] Speaker 1: really lovely things to say. This, in part is what
[1:27] Speaker 1: people other than the Greens had to say.
[1:29] Speaker 2: Olt shielding children they did not know from bullets. Lifeguards
[1:35] Speaker 2: using their boards are stretchers to carry the wounded.
[1:38] Speaker 3: To all those who helped in those dark moments, we
[1:41] Speaker 3: say thank you.
[1:42] Speaker 4: The whole country is grateful for your selflessness.
[1:45] Speaker 5: And so to every single Australian who was lit a
[1:48] Speaker 5: candle or was checked in on, a Jewish community member,
[1:51] Speaker 5: a friend, a colleague, I say thank you.
[1:54] Speaker 4: For every person murdered, there are families and friends left behind,
[1:58] Speaker 4: a home left quite, clothes still hanging in wardrobes, photos
[2:10] Speaker 4: on walls that will never be updated.
[2:13] Speaker 1: The thing I liked particularly there about Mark Dreyfuss, he's
[2:15] Speaker 1: the former Attorney General, is that he wasn't playing up
[2:17] Speaker 1: to the camera like you see so many of these
[2:19] Speaker 1: politicians do. He was speaking very much about the tragedy,
[2:22] Speaker 1: and it's a Jewish Australian, you can understand how it
[2:24] Speaker 1: would affect him and everyone else inside that community. But
[2:29] Speaker 1: then there, of course the people who kind of want
[2:31] Speaker 1: to change the subject. Now, yes, they stand there and
[2:33] Speaker 1: they tick the boxes. What happened on December fourteen, terrible
[2:36] Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers to all of the families, and then
[2:39] Speaker 1: they go off into little bits of territory and play
[2:42] Speaker 1: the greatest hits of their political career. And guess what
[2:45] Speaker 1: most of them are in the Greens. David Shubridge is
[2:48] Speaker 1: a Green senator from New South Wales and for some
[2:52] Speaker 1: reason he thought the condolence motion was about something other
[2:55] Speaker 1: than what actually took place the terror attack in Bondi
[2:59] Speaker 1: at the end of last year.
[3:01] Speaker 6: But we need to remember too that the same hate
[3:04] Speaker 6: that was directed against the Jewish community could equally have
[3:10] Speaker 6: been directed at other vulnerable parts of our community, at women,
[3:15] Speaker 6: at the lgbt IQQ community, and we need to respond
[3:19] Speaker 6: with that in mind.
[3:21] Speaker 1: But of course it wasn't. Again, how hard is it,
[3:25] Speaker 1: How hard is it if you're if you're going to
[3:26] Speaker 1: turn up in Camber. You don't have to turn up
[3:27] Speaker 1: in Canberra. Condolence motion isn't about vote. It gets about
[3:30] Speaker 1: giving the chance to give a speech. And largely Shubridge
[3:34] Speaker 1: actually did a reasonable job as a senator from mu
[3:37] Speaker 1: said wows and't making references to the Bondo community. But
[3:39] Speaker 1: then we're off into all of the alphabet club or
[3:43] Speaker 1: pretending that that women are vulnerable groups in the society
[3:46] Speaker 1: as opposed to the future is female and you know
[3:48] Speaker 1: his own party leader or all the rest of it. Right, then,
[3:52] Speaker 1: of course there's Sarah Hanson Young now Sarah Hanson Young.
[3:55] Speaker 1: Of course, unless he's holding up a fish in the
[3:56] Speaker 1: Parliament doesn't stand out very much. And I think I
[3:59] Speaker 1: can work out why because even on days like today
[4:02] Speaker 1: she sort of became the human version of an Instagram post. Thanks,
[4:07] Speaker 1: But how's this going, helpen?
[4:11] Speaker 7: The horrors of December fourteenth must be a turning point
[4:19] Speaker 7: to unite our country, to overcome the fear, the hatred,
[4:26] Speaker 7: to reject those who feed upon it, because it is
[4:32] Speaker 7: division they are after. The extremists want us divided, the
[4:38] Speaker 7: terrorists want us.
[4:41] Speaker 8: Full of hate, full of fear. We must beat them
[4:51] Speaker 8: with love, compassion and unity. For our community.
[4:58] Speaker 1: Again. Okay, but confronting radical Islam requires not just love focus.
[5:08] Speaker 1: But what about Nick McKim green, Senator from Tasmania. Now
[5:11] Speaker 1: this is a disgrace. Now the other ones, they are
[5:14] Speaker 1: a bit weird. This is just a disgrace again trying
[5:18] Speaker 1: to take what this event is about. Parliament is only
[5:21] Speaker 1: back for one reason and one reason only today condolence
[5:24] Speaker 1: motion tomorrow some legal solutions, including a question mark about
[5:29] Speaker 1: just how much a solution things like changing gun laws are.
[5:33] Speaker 1: But he decided to well get ahead of the invasion
[5:37] Speaker 1: Day discussion in a few days time.
[5:40] Speaker 9: But Jewish Australians won't be safe from the scourge of
[5:45] Speaker 9: anti Semitism until Muslim Australians are safe from the scourge
[5:50] Speaker 9: of Islamophobia, and neither will be safe until all Australians
[5:58] Speaker 9: are safe from racism and from religious intolerance, and until
[6:06] Speaker 9: we reckon with intolerance and discrimination based on any attributes,
[6:16] Speaker 9: and until we reckon with the brutality and the underlying
[6:22] Speaker 9: violence of the colonization of this comp of this continent
[6:27] Speaker 9: based on the lie of Terrnalius. Because truly, no one
[6:33] Speaker 9: is safe until we are all safe, just as no
[6:38] Speaker 9: one is free until everyone is free.
[6:42] Speaker 1: And congratulations to missus caps in Bendigo. You just won
[6:46] Speaker 1: greens bingo, LGBT, Islamophobia and the indigenous community Green's bingo
[6:55] Speaker 1: that they somehow were able to shove into a day
[6:57] Speaker 1: that was supposedly and by the already a focus in
[7:00] Speaker 1: and around what took place in Bondai. Now in terms
[7:05] Speaker 1: of the Prime Minister and what he had to say,
[7:07] Speaker 1: this in part was what he said during his moment
[7:10] Speaker 1: in the sun. Now, Remember he has come out of
[7:13] Speaker 1: a shocking summer, one where he didn't just drop the ball.
[7:16] Speaker 1: He dropped the ball, he fell over the ball. He
[7:18] Speaker 1: bought a banana just to take the banana out and
[7:20] Speaker 1: trip over the banana skin. He had a terrible summer.
[7:24] Speaker 1: So he's now trying to create a whole bunch of
[7:26] Speaker 1: staged events with planned speeches home turf if you will,
[7:30] Speaker 1: to be able to look like the national leader he
[7:33] Speaker 1: has not been, arguably for years, definitely for months and
[7:37] Speaker 1: most certainly for the past few weeks.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Terrorists inspired by ISIS murdered our citizens on our soil.
[7:50] Speaker 1: That's as close as he got to say what was
[7:51] Speaker 1: actually going on here, Because of course, the poison of
[7:55] Speaker 1: radical Islam, which is different than Islam. Radical Islam the poison,
[7:59] Speaker 1: the head, poison, the art that is not the faith
[8:03] Speaker 1: that is practiced by battings of people around the world. Instead,
[8:05] Speaker 1: it is a bastardization of it which is used to
[8:07] Speaker 1: radicalize thousands around the world. And wait till I tell
[8:12] Speaker 1: you the numbers about here at home. But the truth is,
[8:15] Speaker 1: on a day where we are talking about people who
[8:18] Speaker 1: flew an isis flag and what is isis stripped in
[8:21] Speaker 1: apart from the blood of the infidel, it is of
[8:24] Speaker 1: course that of radical Islam. Prime instaculdn't talk about that.
[8:28] Speaker 1: So we're going to pretend that somehow there's a disconnect
[8:30] Speaker 1: between radical Islam and isis Thankfully this was not something
[8:36] Speaker 1: that worried other MPs today.
[8:39] Speaker 10: Radical Islamist extremism.
[8:41] Speaker 11: It is extremist radical Islamy.
[8:44] Speaker 5: We have a radical Islamic ideological problem in this country.
[8:48] Speaker 1: Good Middle stamp all of them. Here's the deal. We
[8:50] Speaker 1: can pretend that if we just throw more love in
[8:54] Speaker 1: the air, then everything will be okay. In many ways,
[8:57] Speaker 1: the tolerance and the love behind the tolerance has been
[9:01] Speaker 1: abused by people who do not view this is a
[9:05] Speaker 1: fair playing field, who do not respect the roles of
[9:08] Speaker 1: other people who do not feel even the barstardized version
[9:11] Speaker 1: of their faith, let alone any faith or no faith.
[9:15] Speaker 1: Very different views about all of those. Different groups of
[9:18] Speaker 1: the Greens have had to mention. So what must be
[9:22] Speaker 1: confronted in a one priority is radical Islam? Are there
[9:27] Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other things, including yes of fringe
[9:30] Speaker 1: nutters that predate around as neo Nazis. You bet, and
[9:34] Speaker 1: I'll be in the front line of those wanting to
[9:37] Speaker 1: take those on. But today's a day to talk about
[9:39] Speaker 1: what happened in Bondai and about the role of radical
[9:42] Speaker 1: Islam potentially in that situation. Of course, matters before the courts,
[9:46] Speaker 1: so there's only so far we can push. But one
[9:49] Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Prime Minister has just had
[9:52] Speaker 1: this shocker of a summer is because remember his plan
[9:56] Speaker 1: was to lay some flowers early in the morning bugger
[9:58] Speaker 1: off from Bondai about guns, change the national conversation about that,
[10:03] Speaker 1: and hope that it was a conversation just held here
[10:08] Speaker 1: on Sky News about the role of the Jewish community,
[10:11] Speaker 1: about how they had felt abandoned by this government with
[10:15] Speaker 1: its sort of what aboutism. It's six seven attitude towards
[10:18] Speaker 1: important matters, where of course there's no difference between Islamophobia
[10:22] Speaker 1: and anti semitism, and then the Greens again add LGBT
[10:27] Speaker 1: and then indigenous issues on top of it. Come on,
[10:30] Speaker 1: Azo has been telling us there is a focus here.
[10:33] Speaker 1: It's time to take that focus. Well. As you know,
[10:36] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister wanted to have a nice little inquiry
[10:38] Speaker 1: where he could pick the person. It could all happen
[10:40] Speaker 1: behind closed doors, and if the report was even mildly
[10:44] Speaker 1: mildly going to be critical of the way that he
[10:47] Speaker 1: has run the country over the past couple of years,
[10:49] Speaker 1: we'd never see the light of day, or if it did,
[10:52] Speaker 1: just like every other document the government doesn't want us
[10:54] Speaker 1: to see. Black line, black line, black line, black line,
[10:56] Speaker 1: black line. That's exactly what has happened when it came
[10:59] Speaker 1: to COVID. We didn't get a royal commission. We should
[11:02] Speaker 1: have to make sure there's no more lockdowns, to make
[11:04] Speaker 1: sure that people are not kept away from the people
[11:06] Speaker 1: that they love when they are dying. But no, no, no,
[11:09] Speaker 1: this all happened behind the closed door, with a predetermined
[11:12] Speaker 1: two out of three people agreeing with everything that had happened.
[11:15] Speaker 1: His plan was for a blok who used to work
[11:16] Speaker 1: from government to comment on government about the fat is
[11:18] Speaker 1: the government. But again keep it all away. People wanted
[11:22] Speaker 1: a Royal commission. Why because they wanted out in the
[11:24] Speaker 1: open before the television cameras on, the lights with the
[11:26] Speaker 1: microphones turned on. Who knew what, who knew when? And
[11:29] Speaker 1: who failed? But the Prime Minister thought that this was
[11:32] Speaker 1: going to be a one day wonder of a story.
[11:34] Speaker 1: So no Royal commission for you.
[11:38] Speaker 2: The government is committed to making sure that we can't
[11:41] Speaker 2: wait years for answers. We need to get on with
[11:45] Speaker 2: any changes that are required well.
[11:48] Speaker 1: And then he realized that Australia was ready to give
[11:50] Speaker 1: me a kick in the backside. So guess what each Way,
[11:52] Speaker 1: Albo did exactly the opposite.
[11:56] Speaker 2: It's clear to me that a Royal Commission is essential.
[11:59] Speaker 2: Today I announced that I will be recommending to the
[12:03] Speaker 2: Governor General and an Executive Council meeting that will be
[12:07] Speaker 2: held tomorrow that a Royal Commission on any Semitism and
[12:11] Speaker 2: Social Cohesion be established.
[12:15] Speaker 1: I said it before this election. I said it before
[12:17] Speaker 1: the last election, and that remains truer than ever. Each Way, Albo,
[12:21] Speaker 1: you can't trust this Bloke, because the line in the
[12:23] Speaker 1: sand today becomes the sand castle built over it tomorrow.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Even more important than the speeches that took place today
[12:31] Speaker 1: were some information that we got today. Now. I don't
[12:34] Speaker 1: know whether this information was planned to come out today
[12:37] Speaker 1: or was deliberately squeezed out today hoping that we'd all
[12:41] Speaker 1: be distracted by the speeches serious, silly and otherwise. But
[12:46] Speaker 1: the truth is that Australia has got more than one
[12:49] Speaker 1: problem when it comes to radical Islam, and more than
[12:52] Speaker 1: one problem when it comes to terrorism. Tony Burke and
[12:55] Speaker 1: Home Affairs. Home Affairs, I should say, made it clear
[12:58] Speaker 1: today that more than two hundred, more than two hundred
[13:02] Speaker 1: terrorists operate amongst us. Tony Burke said, pushing them to
[13:07] Speaker 1: the fridges does not eliminate the fact that they have
[13:09] Speaker 1: hateful views from individuals, and when those individuals are on visas,
[13:15] Speaker 1: I've been canceling them and kicking them out. But for
[13:17] Speaker 1: most of these people, they are Australian citizens. And that's
[13:20] Speaker 1: the truly frightening bit. That's the bit that is different
[13:25] Speaker 1: than the days after nine to eleven, twenty five years ago,
[13:30] Speaker 1: that we have got a cohort of people who for
[13:33] Speaker 1: some reason their parents are played by the rules. But
[13:38] Speaker 1: for some reason, the generation that is most has been
[13:42] Speaker 1: most valued by a community trying to say, well, okay,
[13:48] Speaker 1: whatever's happened with the parents, let's take care of the
[13:51] Speaker 1: kids educated in Australian schools, brought up in an Australian way.
[13:55] Speaker 1: Yet still, according to Home Affairs, hundreds hundreds of people
[14:01] Speaker 1: can't be booted out. Why because they are born here.
[14:04] Speaker 1: The problem is here and is amongst us, and is
[14:08] Speaker 1: worth discussing. Hit the nail on the head because in
[14:13] Speaker 1: plain sight, there's been some weirdness on the fringes of
[14:18] Speaker 1: how Islam is discussed in this country. Now, you may
[14:23] Speaker 1: remember a prayer hall that we've talked about a lot
[14:27] Speaker 1: of recent weeks and months. It was a prayer hall
[14:31] Speaker 1: in the city of Bankstown in the west of Sydney.
[14:35] Speaker 1: This prayer hall had a link to a preacher and
[14:42] Speaker 1: some of the things being said inside this prayer hall
[14:45] Speaker 1: have been taken note not just by the community but
[14:49] Speaker 1: also by authorities well. That particular venue has now been
[14:53] Speaker 1: shut down. Now it has been shut down because fifteen
[14:57] Speaker 1: people lost their lives in Bondi and there was a
[15:00] Speaker 1: new focus from the Nusobaal's government. Again nice and clear
[15:03] Speaker 1: for the heart of the lawyers that my be half listening.
[15:04] Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting a directly obviously between the prayer hall,
[15:07] Speaker 1: anyone involved in it, and the shooting, but this is
[15:11] Speaker 1: worth noting from Channel.
[15:12] Speaker 3: Seven years an unassuming brick building at Bankstown reportedly harboring
[15:19] Speaker 3: hate the illegal prayer hall hosted by controversial cleric with
[15:24] Speaker 3: some hadad towards the.
[15:25] Speaker 12: End of times when the Muslims will be fighting the Jews.
[15:29] Speaker 3: The New South Wales government, backing council calls to shut
[15:32] Speaker 3: it down. The building only permitted to house a medical center.
[15:37] Speaker 13: This is an important change, not just for that community
[15:39] Speaker 13: but for New South Wales, and I want to make
[15:40] Speaker 13: it clear it's not the end of the matter.
[15:43] Speaker 1: See this is the bit that annoys me. This particular
[15:48] Speaker 1: prayer hall and this particular preacher are not new. A
[15:54] Speaker 1: documentary at the end of twenty twenty four was done
[15:58] Speaker 1: by Jonathan Lee. It was aired on this network. I'll
[16:02] Speaker 1: let you see what he had to say, specifically about
[16:06] Speaker 1: the person at the head of this hall which has
[16:09] Speaker 1: now been closed down. But again this was on the
[16:11] Speaker 1: public airwaves, picked up in the newspapers echoed on the
[16:15] Speaker 1: internet for at least at least thirteen fourteen months.
[16:22] Speaker 14: For the last four weeks, we've been trying to interview
[16:24] Speaker 14: an outspoken Muslim leader who insists that there is no
[16:28] Speaker 14: place for Islam in Australia's democracy. We've met him face
[16:32] Speaker 14: to face and there's been more than a dozen phone
[16:34] Speaker 14: and text conversations just to get us to this point.
[16:38] Speaker 14: He won't go on camera, but he has agreed to
[16:40] Speaker 14: a phone call that we can record.
[16:43] Speaker 1: Now, I suggest you don't have a look now. Again,
[16:45] Speaker 1: for the lawyers that are half listening, I am not
[16:47] Speaker 1: suggesting about radical preaching with this particular person. But what
[16:50] Speaker 1: I am saying is that Bankstown Council turned around and
[16:53] Speaker 1: shut this joint down, but only after what happened in Bondi.
[16:59] Speaker 1: The Cleric have been known for a long time. In fact,
[17:03] Speaker 1: apparently for the best part of a few years, this
[17:06] Speaker 1: thing was operating, operating in plain sight, when the actual
[17:11] Speaker 1: approval was only given for it as you heard, to
[17:14] Speaker 1: be a medical center. Now, since the news of US
[17:18] Speaker 1: government has turned around and has changed some of the
[17:19] Speaker 1: powers to be able to shut down places and this
[17:22] Speaker 1: works everything from a vape shop through too buildings like this.
[17:26] Speaker 1: If you've got approven to be this but you're really
[17:28] Speaker 1: doing that, well guess what you're going to go. But
[17:31] Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that there were people from this council
[17:33] Speaker 1: who want a little bit of a gold star because
[17:36] Speaker 1: they finally shut this thing down after BONDI or where
[17:39] Speaker 1: was it after the documentary? Where was it after the
[17:42] Speaker 1: numerous news stories in and around this just crazy. Now.
[17:48] Speaker 1: As for what's happening in Canberra tonight ahead of tomorrow,
[17:51] Speaker 1: there apparently is passionate meetings of Labor MPs, Liberal MPs
[17:55] Speaker 1: Nats as well and they are trying to work out
[17:58] Speaker 1: what areas have compromised. There may and I just mean
[18:00] Speaker 1: may be when it comes to the proposed anti hate
[18:04] Speaker 1: laws which are being discussed by the Prime Minister and
[18:08] Speaker 1: by Susan Lee. He's the latest that we know tonight.
[18:12] Speaker 15: Prime Minister has removed a provision which would allow tougher
[18:15] Speaker 15: laws around racial vilification in an effort to appease the
[18:19] Speaker 15: other political parties. He has also revealed the strengthening of
[18:23] Speaker 15: gun laws will be separated from the bill and introduced
[18:26] Speaker 15: to Parliament on its own, as requested by the Greens.
[18:30] Speaker 1: Now, before I get to this next bit, may I
[18:31] Speaker 1: explain how we're going to move around the brand new
[18:34] Speaker 1: and improved man cave, including when you see me standing
[18:36] Speaker 1: next to a screen like this, I'm about to show
[18:38] Speaker 1: you some data, and you know how I liked me
[18:41] Speaker 1: some numbers. Well, one thing that has become very clear
[18:44] Speaker 1: in terms of the data is that Australia was not
[18:46] Speaker 1: impressed by the Prime Minister in relation to all things
[18:49] Speaker 1: BONDI again, am I making this up? No, the headline
[18:53] Speaker 1: today was the support for the Prime Minister has slumped directly. Now,
[18:59] Speaker 1: if you have a look at this pole number I
[19:00] Speaker 1: want to show you here this graph, pay attention to
[19:02] Speaker 1: blue line being Susan Lee, red line being well. I
[19:05] Speaker 1: made Anthony Abernezi, as you can see, relatively unpopular way
[19:10] Speaker 1: back when, and of course this was in and around
[19:12] Speaker 1: the cost of living etc. Was all of this well,
[19:16] Speaker 1: basically he's exactly back to the worst of cost of
[19:18] Speaker 1: living despite the fact that in December of last year,
[19:20] Speaker 1: as you can see nice and high, he's lost twenty
[19:23] Speaker 1: five points in only a few weeks time. And it
[19:27] Speaker 1: is about BONDI again, have a look here where you
[19:30] Speaker 1: can see the yellow here that is whether people supported
[19:35] Speaker 1: or didn't support when it came to the actions of
[19:38] Speaker 1: that particular leader. When it came to Bondi, fifty three
[19:41] Speaker 1: percent of people happy with what Susan Lee had to
[19:44] Speaker 1: say about the same number of people who vote Labor
[19:47] Speaker 1: was actually there when it came to Anthony Albanesi. Now,
[19:52] Speaker 1: one thing that is really worth noting here is the
[19:54] Speaker 1: big and major story of all of this is that
[19:56] Speaker 1: one nation has had a huge surge in all of
[19:59] Speaker 1: the polls. It's not just the Prime Minister copying the
[20:01] Speaker 1: black eye, but it is a huge surge in support
[20:04] Speaker 1: for one nation. Now, one nation has been able to
[20:08] Speaker 1: absolutely thump its way through Why because, as you can
[20:12] Speaker 1: have a look at here, there was an opinion pole
[20:15] Speaker 1: which came out to about a week ago that I've
[20:16] Speaker 1: got to say I was a little bit skeptical of.
[20:18] Speaker 1: It was one that showed that they trebled the number
[20:23] Speaker 1: of people who were on their side, trebled the number.
[20:26] Speaker 1: In fact, if we can show you the graphic here,
[20:28] Speaker 1: where as you can see the small amount of orange
[20:31] Speaker 1: which you're about to see here that was the election
[20:34] Speaker 1: last year, and then you can see a massive jump
[20:36] Speaker 1: there to a whole lot higher post what happened when
[20:40] Speaker 1: it came to Bondi. You can see it nice and
[20:42] Speaker 1: clear there on your screen. Well, that has been confirmed
[20:45] Speaker 1: today and it has been confirmed by the Newspole and
[20:50] Speaker 1: the Newspole primary which shows that the Opposition is now
[20:54] Speaker 1: behind one nation. Can you believe, as we've been looking
[20:57] Speaker 1: at this all the way through, we're twenty two beat
[21:00] Speaker 1: twenty one. That is an extraordinary result, the highest ever
[21:03] Speaker 1: for one nation now on this show, I think all
[21:06] Speaker 1: the way back since well twenty sixteen, when Paul and
[21:08] Speaker 1: Hansen was trying to make her way into the Senate.
[21:10] Speaker 1: We were talking to her, then we talked to her
[21:12] Speaker 1: after she got into the Senate in twenty and sixteen.
[21:15] Speaker 1: We talked with plenty of others at say the twenty nineteen,
[21:19] Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty five elections, and not just when
[21:22] Speaker 1: the polls come out, but about what they have to say.
[21:24] Speaker 1: You will see plenty of people on and off the
[21:26] Speaker 1: air here from One Nation. Why because people are starting
[21:30] Speaker 1: to back their ideas, and they do have serious ideas
[21:33] Speaker 1: once you break down. Also the Resolve poll which came
[21:35] Speaker 1: out today, this one via the nine newspapers, you can
[21:38] Speaker 1: again see another giant search. They vote was six percent
[21:42] Speaker 1: of the federal election. We're now talking well more than
[21:45] Speaker 1: a double. Once you actually have a look at this
[21:48] Speaker 1: state by state, it's an even more interesting story. Why
[21:51] Speaker 1: because all of these numbers here at say twenty percent,
[21:55] Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen and sixteen, every single one of those results,
[22:00] Speaker 1: if it became an election, would result in a doubling
[22:03] Speaker 1: in the number of senators that they have in the Parliament.
[22:08] Speaker 1: That's extraordinary. They would be able to have another one
[22:13] Speaker 1: in New South Wales, another one in Queensland or should
[22:15] Speaker 1: I say Paul Hanson would get most likely re elected there.
[22:19] Speaker 1: Victoria would produce a senator the rest of the country,
[22:22] Speaker 1: including places like Tasmania where remember fourteen percent of the
[22:27] Speaker 1: vote in Tasmania is a shorter and smaller number of
[22:31] Speaker 1: people that it is saying New South Wales meaning One
[22:34] Speaker 1: Nation could be in a box seat to go even
[22:36] Speaker 1: further than doubling its numbers in the Senate. Now wonder
[22:38] Speaker 1: Pauline was happy today.
[22:40] Speaker 11: I want to thank the austrange people for their support
[22:44] Speaker 11: and confidence they are now advocating for one Nation. This
[22:50] Speaker 11: is the first poll in Australia's history that another party
[22:54] Speaker 11: is polling higher than one of the major parties.
[22:59] Speaker 1: Now from polling away from matters to do with Bondai,
[23:03] Speaker 1: we have not forgotten about the travel routs. The Minister
[23:07] Speaker 1: for freebies, Anika Wells, the Minister for Sports and Communications,
[23:11] Speaker 1: the one who can be joined at the hit by
[23:12] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister because she's one of the chosen few.
[23:16] Speaker 1: Well as you know, just before Bondi, this was the
[23:18] Speaker 1: biggest story in the country. Understandably and appropriately people stop
[23:23] Speaker 1: talking about it. But just to remind everyone who needs
[23:25] Speaker 1: any reminding, and I know you don't, but just in
[23:27] Speaker 1: case somebody is watching us online in a couple of
[23:29] Speaker 1: weeks time. Anika Wells is the sports Minister who charge
[23:32] Speaker 1: taxpayers thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars for her
[23:36] Speaker 1: to be able to fly around and become Australia's number
[23:39] Speaker 1: one sporting fan, even getting down and dirty with the
[23:43] Speaker 1: streamers at Grand Finals, let alone hundred thousand dollars to
[23:46] Speaker 1: go to New York, let alone her husband coming along
[23:49] Speaker 1: to all of those different events. And remember the time
[23:52] Speaker 1: she said she followed all the rules, which meant you know,
[23:54] Speaker 1: it's your problem if you don't like her.
[23:57] Speaker 16: I've abided by the rules. The whole time I've been
[23:58] Speaker 16: follow to follow the rules.
[24:03] Speaker 8: I have followed the rules, followed the guidelines so far.
[24:06] Speaker 1: I love that. I also love that the Prime Minister
[24:08] Speaker 1: said he couldn't possibly change the rules because it's independent.
[24:13] Speaker 2: Well, these are rules that have been set for some
[24:16] Speaker 2: period of time, the rules that are in place in
[24:21] Speaker 2: terms of family reunion.
[24:23] Speaker 1: But then, of course he changed the rules because you know,
[24:27] Speaker 1: he always could.
[24:29] Speaker 2: We have recommended a number of changes as a result
[24:33] Speaker 2: of the consideration by the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority.
[24:41] Speaker 1: Well, guess something that we learned about today? Well, we
[24:44] Speaker 1: learn a little more detail here about what the changes were. Now, firstly,
[24:47] Speaker 1: here are the changes has announced by the Prime Minister.
[24:49] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister has announced that he wants to force
[24:51] Speaker 1: families of politicians to fly economy class and limit the
[24:55] Speaker 1: use of entitlement to flying two or from Canberra or
[25:00] Speaker 1: the MP's local area. Partners will only be able to
[25:03] Speaker 1: claim travel for events they were officially invited to. Well, technically,
[25:07] Speaker 1: wouldn't that be a minister for freevies plus one plus
[25:11] Speaker 1: guest or his name gets written down? Means guess what
[25:15] Speaker 1: this was all about? Making it look like there was
[25:16] Speaker 1: a change Albanzi explained that changes would remove access to
[25:20] Speaker 1: Australia white family reunion travel and restrict to Cambra and
[25:24] Speaker 1: within parliament's local area or an electorate in a senator's case,
[25:30] Speaker 1: and of course that's an entire state. Well, we'll check
[25:34] Speaker 1: back in here and guess what. Almost all of the
[25:37] Speaker 1: family reunion flights that Sports Minister Anista Anika Wells charged
[25:42] Speaker 1: the taxpayer since she became a minister would still be
[25:45] Speaker 1: allowed under the Albanesi proposal of changes when it came
[25:48] Speaker 1: to the rules and expenses. Is anyone truly surprised that
[25:55] Speaker 1: this is the case that they say they're going to
[25:58] Speaker 1: deal with something, but they don't really deal with it.
[26:00] Speaker 1: They just do something to put out a little political fire.
[26:03] Speaker 1: Now bigger news events ended up doing so. But in
[26:07] Speaker 1: relation to the Prime Minister's fix here that he said
[26:09] Speaker 1: he couldn't do, a fix ends up being not a
[26:11] Speaker 1: fix at all, with the giant loophole being well, of
[26:15] Speaker 1: course you can fly to cricket in Perth just as
[26:17] Speaker 1: long as he gets invited to. How ridiculous, honestly and
[26:22] Speaker 1: truly ridiculous. We've got a big show coming up tonight.
[26:24] Speaker 1: I'd love to get an email from you at any
[26:26] Speaker 1: time you wish you know what to do. Paul, it'skuynews
[26:28] Speaker 1: dot com dot Au. Looking forward to talking to just
[26:30] Speaker 1: into Nambigimper Price a little bit later in the program.
[26:33] Speaker 1: But as always, there's putting to fire up about, and
[26:35] Speaker 1: we will do so next with Nicholas Reese and with
[26:37] Speaker 1: Matt Canavan here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching,
[26:45] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Wherever you happen to be.
[26:47] Speaker 1: Discussion and debate in a moment or two is time.
[26:49] Speaker 1: But before we get there, I wanted to put some
[26:51] Speaker 1: fats on the table, and also to remind the good
[26:54] Speaker 1: people watching us in region of Victoria that we are
[26:56] Speaker 1: aware of what has been happening there in terms of
[26:59] Speaker 1: fire over summer. Also shout out to people that are
[27:01] Speaker 1: watching us right down in Central Queens then with the
[27:03] Speaker 1: floods as well. I know there's plenty around well, a
[27:06] Speaker 1: little bit of research on all of this today and
[27:08] Speaker 1: it's not going to surprise you that they haven't done
[27:11] Speaker 1: enough hazard reduction and this was part of the problem.
[27:14] Speaker 1: Now to give you an idea about just how many
[27:15] Speaker 1: fires were around Victoria, this map will make it look like, yeah,
[27:20] Speaker 1: there was a few, but there wasn't that much it
[27:22] Speaker 1: was actually on fire. Reality was four hundred thousand hectares
[27:25] Speaker 1: of land has been burnt, hundreds of structures destroyed. A
[27:29] Speaker 1: man was killed since the extreme heat and high winds
[27:32] Speaker 1: fueled catastrophic fire conditions. According to the ABC, this is
[27:36] Speaker 1: what locals had to say. And again, I just wanted
[27:39] Speaker 1: to do this before we got into the political debate,
[27:41] Speaker 1: just to say we see you and we send strength
[27:43] Speaker 1: and love to everyone up north in the floods and
[27:46] Speaker 1: in Victoria in the recent fires.
[27:49] Speaker 11: From boundary line to boundary line, the fire and then
[27:52] Speaker 11: coming back to the house and here just focusing on
[27:55] Speaker 11: around the house and the sheds and all their hay
[27:58] Speaker 11: rolls here they went up.
[28:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, just after it, just making sure that we saved
[28:04] Speaker 1: what we did.
[28:04] Speaker 17: But at times it was like, you know, I thought
[28:06] Speaker 17: the sheds are going to go, and then if the
[28:08] Speaker 17: sheds go on, the house is going to go.
[28:09] Speaker 13: I couldn't see when we're driving down the road there's
[28:12] Speaker 13: about thirty dead sheep on the road. It was just
[28:18] Speaker 13: where we're flying through dead smoldering sheep and smoke and
[28:22] Speaker 13: trying to get to the shed. And we got to
[28:24] Speaker 13: the shed and we still couldn't see much around the shed.
[28:28] Speaker 1: And again too, I know it's difficult to talk about
[28:31] Speaker 1: this stuff, and I'm not going to show you the
[28:32] Speaker 1: really ugly stuff. Obviously a whole bunch of animals involved
[28:36] Speaker 1: as well, huge loss of livestock in Queensland, and again
[28:39] Speaker 1: huge amount of sheep because that's part of the country
[28:41] Speaker 1: that was burnt. Amazing foto which popped up during all
[28:44] Speaker 1: of this. But I want to show you here how
[28:47] Speaker 1: the authorities in Victoria have spun the numbers on how
[28:52] Speaker 1: much preparation they had actually done, how much hazard reduction
[28:55] Speaker 1: had they actually done, how much good old fashioned back
[28:57] Speaker 1: burning as it used to be called now hazard reduction
[29:00] Speaker 1: versus the clearing of things, mowing of things. Well, according
[29:04] Speaker 1: to the Victorian government, they did sixty nine percent of
[29:06] Speaker 1: what they had to do in the Hume region, seventy
[29:09] Speaker 1: one percent in the Malee, fifty seven percent in the
[29:13] Speaker 1: Gippsland area. And that's a little down on the seventy
[29:15] Speaker 1: one percent that they were supposed to do. But you
[29:17] Speaker 1: see all these big numbers. She's they've done all right,
[29:19] Speaker 1: haven't they. And again you go onto their website and
[29:22] Speaker 1: according to the detail here the fire services, both paid
[29:27] Speaker 1: and volunteered. They had delivered one hundred and fourteen seven
[29:31] Speaker 1: hundred and twelve hectares of fuel management. Geez, that's impressive.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Not really, because of course the fires themselves burned four
[29:38] Speaker 1: hundred thousand. So nice try and nice spin. And when
[29:43] Speaker 1: you actually have a look at the information freely available
[29:46] Speaker 1: on the Internet from the Planning Department about the local
[29:48] Speaker 1: government areas which are referred to as bushfire prone in Victoria,
[29:55] Speaker 1: a list that goes from Alpine to Case to Gippsland, Geelong,
[30:03] Speaker 1: I should say Melton, Wangaratta, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. That total
[30:08] Speaker 1: area is five point six million, five point six million hectares,
[30:15] Speaker 1: of which they took care of one hundred and fourteen thousand,
[30:19] Speaker 1: and then an actual fire was four hundred thousand. Very
[30:23] Speaker 1: interesting how they spin all of those numbers. Again, we'll
[30:26] Speaker 1: try and get our research up so that if a
[30:27] Speaker 1: fire does happen to beset your part of the world,
[30:29] Speaker 1: we'll be able to talk about it. All right, let's
[30:31] Speaker 1: get it on with the conversation now with Senator about Canavan,
[30:35] Speaker 1: who's in Canberra talking about all matters big and serious
[30:38] Speaker 1: at the moment, and of course tomorrow is when things
[30:40] Speaker 1: get even more serious in terms of the voting. Love
[30:42] Speaker 1: you to see you happening year. Melbourne's Lord Mayor is
[30:44] Speaker 1: Nicholas recapping a year to him too, and thank you
[30:47] Speaker 1: for paying attention to us and not a bunch of
[30:49] Speaker 1: people grunting while whacking at a ball. I do appreciate it.
[30:51] Speaker 1: I know you've got tickets for all sessions all the
[30:53] Speaker 1: time as the mayor. But let's get to this year now, Senator. Tomorrow,
[31:00] Speaker 1: summably is when there's going to start to be bill introduced.
[31:04] Speaker 1: It'll easily pass the Lower House and then the debate
[31:06] Speaker 1: happens in the Senate in and around the response to
[31:09] Speaker 1: what took place in Bondi and specifically the stuff in
[31:11] Speaker 1: and around hate speech. We keep hearing some of it's
[31:14] Speaker 1: on the table, none of it's on the table. What's
[31:16] Speaker 1: your thought and what can you tell us before we
[31:18] Speaker 1: go into a big one tomorrow because it's one of
[31:20] Speaker 1: the reasons why you've all been called back to Canberra.
[31:24] Speaker 18: Yeah, look, Paul, I mean the Prime Minister's made an
[31:26] Speaker 18: absolute mess of this over the past week. We've seen
[31:29] Speaker 18: the bill change multiple times, has been a new version
[31:31] Speaker 18: of the bill that we've seen today, it's quite different
[31:35] Speaker 18: in places. I mean, really, it's been messier than my
[31:38] Speaker 18: car looked after three weeks of camping over the holidays.
[31:42] Speaker 16: It's a complete chamozzle.
[31:44] Speaker 18: We've lost a whole part of the Act, the so
[31:46] Speaker 18: called racial vilification provisions.
[31:48] Speaker 16: That's a positive step.
[31:49] Speaker 18: That was an extremely draconian situation where people could face
[31:53] Speaker 18: five years in jail for just things they say that
[31:56] Speaker 18: might leave someone intimidated, as the law said.
[31:58] Speaker 16: But that's all gone. The prime miss up that.
[32:01] Speaker 18: I still have some serious concerns though, particularly around the
[32:04] Speaker 18: listing of so called hate groups, and particularly the way
[32:08] Speaker 18: hate crimes that are find in this act. Crimes can
[32:12] Speaker 18: be anything that causes serious harm that goes to psychological harm,
[32:15] Speaker 18: economic harm, or social harm, really vague broad terms. And
[32:21] Speaker 18: if we're going to give a minister the power to
[32:24] Speaker 18: designate an entire organization as persona on GRADA and just
[32:27] Speaker 18: completely abolish them, you can go to jail.
[32:29] Speaker 16: If you associate with them.
[32:30] Speaker 18: If that power is going to exist in our laws,
[32:33] Speaker 18: it's got to be very very tightly targeted, and this
[32:36] Speaker 18: bill doesn't do that.
[32:37] Speaker 16: In the market. It gives way too much power to
[32:38] Speaker 16: the government.
[32:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, if we're talking about hate speech that potentially
[32:41] Speaker 1: leads to violence, Nicholas, haven't we been hearing something for
[32:44] Speaker 1: the past two years that silence is violence. So if
[32:48] Speaker 1: you say something, it could lead to violence. If you
[32:50] Speaker 1: don't say anything, or you don't call it out. You know,
[32:53] Speaker 1: I joke. But still, these are the vagranities here right
[32:57] Speaker 1: where in Australia you want to be able to have
[33:00] Speaker 1: and full expression. But also we don't want to live
[33:03] Speaker 1: in the sort of Nanni state that's turning around and saying, well,
[33:05] Speaker 1: somebody else's feelings and then they get determined what you
[33:08] Speaker 1: really meant to say, when what you really meant to
[33:11] Speaker 1: say was nothing other than potentially a joke.
[33:16] Speaker 12: Yes, I mean, this is the challenge of making legislation,
[33:19] Speaker 12: isn't it.
[33:19] Speaker 5: You've got a way up competing priorities, put in place
[33:22] Speaker 5: the right checks and balances and hopefully get it right.
[33:26] Speaker 5: I mean, I've got to say, you know, Matt's given
[33:28] Speaker 5: us a bit of a run through of what's going
[33:30] Speaker 5: on in the sausage machine making factory, which is Federal Parliament.
[33:35] Speaker 5: It was a bit disappointing to hear him lead off
[33:37] Speaker 5: by playing the man and spending all that time attacking
[33:40] Speaker 5: Anthony ALBERNISI when these are really important issues which need
[33:44] Speaker 5: our national legislators to really bring their best game to
[33:48] Speaker 5: the table. What I can tell you is I think
[33:51] Speaker 5: Australia needs stronger anti hate laws. I think we need
[33:54] Speaker 5: stronger anti vilification laws. I don't want to see groups
[33:59] Speaker 5: like the Nazis and Islamist hate groups preaching hate and
[34:04] Speaker 5: spreading fear in our nation, and I really hope our
[34:07] Speaker 5: federal Parliament can take strong action there.
[34:10] Speaker 12: I also want to see less guns on.
[34:13] Speaker 5: The streets of Australia, and I hope our national legislators
[34:17] Speaker 5: will do their job and give Astrains what they want.
[34:20] Speaker 1: All Right, Matt, I've got a whole list of other stuff,
[34:21] Speaker 1: but I've got a feeling this is the fight for
[34:23] Speaker 1: the rest of this segment of the show. There are
[34:25] Speaker 1: four million registered guns in Australia. Again, according to news
[34:30] Speaker 1: reports of the time and authorities, there were licensed firearms
[34:35] Speaker 1: owners who are alleged to have committed what took place
[34:38] Speaker 1: in Bondai, but very obviously, I like many have been
[34:41] Speaker 1: flamed by legal firearms owners saying well, they're going to
[34:46] Speaker 1: crack down on me. It's not going to stop one
[34:48] Speaker 1: crooker uses any of these things. But we are in
[34:51] Speaker 1: a scenario where surely there's an area of compromise here.
[34:55] Speaker 1: Australia doesn't need four million guns. And I say that
[34:57] Speaker 1: as somebody who understands how they need to be used
[34:59] Speaker 1: as tools on properties, how some people may want to collect.
[35:03] Speaker 1: But what's the case for more than four million guns
[35:08] Speaker 1: we actually have.
[35:09] Speaker 18: We have fewer guns per person today than we did
[35:12] Speaker 18: at the Port Arthur Masaca. The number of guns have
[35:15] Speaker 18: increased in the past decade or so, but so has
[35:20] Speaker 18: the population. If you have been looking and we're looking around,
[35:23] Speaker 18: a population has gone through the roof. But on a
[35:25] Speaker 18: per person basis, there's a lower amount than we had
[35:29] Speaker 18: in Port Arthur.
[35:30] Speaker 16: And I don't know.
[35:31] Speaker 18: You say we don't need four million guns, will pull
[35:34] Speaker 18: what is the number? Do we have two million or
[35:36] Speaker 18: one million or three million? What's the number that keeps
[35:38] Speaker 18: us safe? I don't know if that's actually a useful
[35:41] Speaker 18: metric here to decide these things. What we should do
[35:44] Speaker 18: is have a system in place where anybody that is
[35:49] Speaker 18: of serious risk to the broader community there's a strong
[35:51] Speaker 18: chance they don't end up with a gun license, and
[35:53] Speaker 18: clearly the failings here in this particular instance seem to
[35:56] Speaker 18: be there wasn't those checks and bounces in place for
[35:59] Speaker 18: somebody that had on an ASIO watch list and then
[36:03] Speaker 18: could live with somebody else who was a license fire
[36:06] Speaker 18: arm owner. There wasn't a lot of communication there, so
[36:08] Speaker 18: that those are the sort of things that could be
[36:10] Speaker 18: fixed here instead of this lazy approach where we just
[36:12] Speaker 18: take guns off people that have not committed a crime,
[36:15] Speaker 18: no risk of committing a crime. I mean, keep in mind,
[36:17] Speaker 18: the legislation of Moorrow doesn't do a lot of what
[36:18] Speaker 18: you've just said anyway. It establishes funds for a buyback scheme,
[36:24] Speaker 18: seeks to strengthen some of the importation controls, mostly stake controls.
[36:27] Speaker 16: I mean, it's cracking down.
[36:29] Speaker 18: They're cracking down apparently going to crack down on the
[36:31] Speaker 18: importation of gel blasters.
[36:34] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[36:35] Speaker 16: I mean, is that going to be a serious risk
[36:37] Speaker 16: to the safety of a strains? Why is that in there?
[36:39] Speaker 16: And so this is where the details really important.
[36:41] Speaker 18: People and governments often use these, unfortunately and quite distastefully
[36:47] Speaker 18: in my view, use tragedies like we've seen to slip
[36:50] Speaker 18: in all kinds of things out of the guys that
[36:52] Speaker 18: we should be doing something when they take away rights
[36:54] Speaker 18: from Laura Biding Austraie.
[36:55] Speaker 1: I agree, but don't forget as well. It was the
[36:57] Speaker 1: Labor Party who refused, refuse, used in the Senate to
[37:01] Speaker 1: vote for mandatory detention of people importing illegal guns. So
[37:06] Speaker 1: these so they don't know that's against their principles, but
[37:09] Speaker 1: now they want to pretend that this is their way
[37:12] Speaker 1: to dealing with safety. Nick the reverse here, right, it's
[37:16] Speaker 1: not devil's ad forgat but it's serious, right, which is okay?
[37:19] Speaker 1: Plenty of people in and around your city over someone
[37:22] Speaker 1: will have said, well, there shouldn't be a single person
[37:24] Speaker 1: who has a single gun anywhere in metropolitan Melbourne. It
[37:27] Speaker 1: should only be for the bush. That's the way it is, okay,
[37:30] Speaker 1: But sporting shooting is an Olympic sport. It is one
[37:34] Speaker 1: that if somebody wants to do, yet they don't happen
[37:38] Speaker 1: to live in the bush. Well, then how do we
[37:39] Speaker 1: facilitate that. Do we keep all of the guns at
[37:41] Speaker 1: the local gun club and turn that into the local
[37:43] Speaker 1: armory that if dodgy people want to roll over, they
[37:46] Speaker 1: roll over again. You can't have a scenario where something
[37:50] Speaker 1: is an Olympic sport that's been practiced in the Melbourne Games,
[37:55] Speaker 1: the Sydney Games and the Brisbane Games, but people won't
[37:58] Speaker 1: be able to have access to it. Or do you
[38:00] Speaker 1: think the point here is that the legislation says none
[38:03] Speaker 1: of that matters as long as it's four if you're
[38:05] Speaker 1: in the city and it's ten if you're in the bush.
[38:09] Speaker 12: Look, can we.
[38:09] Speaker 5: Start by all agreeing that nothing that's been debated in
[38:13] Speaker 5: the Federal Parliament this week is going to put at
[38:16] Speaker 5: risk Australia's chances of claiming gold in the shooting at
[38:21] Speaker 5: the Olympics. And I'm just saying, let's still Mike JOm
[38:24] Speaker 5: the Victorian, winning the gun is only for killers.
[38:28] Speaker 12: But look, I mean, I think the killer point here
[38:30] Speaker 12: is the one you made Paul, Like.
[38:32] Speaker 5: There's four point one million guns in Australia, more than
[38:36] Speaker 5: there were at the time of the Port Arthur massacre.
[38:38] Speaker 5: And as we all saw so dramatically in Bondi, when
[38:42] Speaker 5: there are nut jobs on our streets with long armed weapons,
[38:46] Speaker 5: powerful weapons that they're able to access through existing legal
[38:51] Speaker 5: arrangements in Australia, something has gone very wrong and needs
[38:55] Speaker 5: to be done. And I think it is really disappointing
[38:59] Speaker 5: that the Nationals have shown the sort of leadership we
[39:01] Speaker 5: saw from the Nationals in these sort of crisis in
[39:04] Speaker 5: the past and come together with the Liberal Party and
[39:08] Speaker 5: other political parties in the Parliament to.
[39:10] Speaker 12: Get the job done that needs to be done. The
[39:12] Speaker 12: number one objective.
[39:14] Speaker 5: Of government, remember, is to keep people safe, and as
[39:18] Speaker 5: we saw in those terrible events in Bondai, that current
[39:21] Speaker 5: laws are not working and we need to have change.
[39:24] Speaker 12: And I think you know it's not too late for you, Matt,
[39:26] Speaker 12: It's not too late for the Nationals. You should get
[39:28] Speaker 12: behind these important reforms.
[39:29] Speaker 18: I want to know you said you said, well, Nick said?
[39:33] Speaker 18: Nick said, nothing in this legislation tomorrow is going to
[39:36] Speaker 18: stop us winning gold. Will just point to me the
[39:38] Speaker 18: provisions there in that section the Gun Law Actors is
[39:41] Speaker 18: going to stop a Bondai. That what's going to prevent
[39:44] Speaker 18: Bondi that's in the act tomorrow.
[39:47] Speaker 5: Well, we need tougher rules around who has access to guns,
[39:52] Speaker 5: specifically background checks that are done on people. I mean,
[39:55] Speaker 5: as we saw very clearly in Bondai in December, the
[39:59] Speaker 5: city system failed and these reforms are sensible and the Nationals, as.
[40:05] Speaker 12: You've done in the past. Should get behind.
[40:07] Speaker 18: Them law respect. I don't think you've read them. It's
[40:10] Speaker 18: not your job, I know, but there's nothing in that
[40:13] Speaker 18: it's going to do that now.
[40:14] Speaker 1: I want to have a chat about Greenland, but alas
[40:16] Speaker 1: matters domestically have taken over. Thank you lads, we will
[40:19] Speaker 1: talk mayor Senator, We'll talk to you again on Monday
[40:22] Speaker 1: nights here each and every week here on Pulmurray Life.
[40:24] Speaker 1: Quick break back with an absolute superstar of Australian politics.
[40:28] Speaker 1: What she had to say in Parliament today in and
[40:30] Speaker 1: around the condolence motion. Very moving, But you want to
[40:33] Speaker 1: talk about somebody who's absolutely knowing the difference between the
[40:37] Speaker 1: real threats and the imagined. Just sent an averagemper Price
[40:41] Speaker 1: on Sky News next. Thanks for watching lots of people
[40:49] Speaker 1: with lots to say over the past day in Canberra,
[40:52] Speaker 1: but many things been said over many weeks since what
[40:54] Speaker 1: happened in Bondai. One person I've been looking forward to
[40:57] Speaker 1: talking to, especially after contributions to is Senator, to simp
[41:01] Speaker 1: and and Pa jimper Price who joins us now, Senator,
[41:05] Speaker 1: love you to see you, are always good to see you.
[41:07] Speaker 1: I hope you've had a nice summer. Sadly, of course,
[41:10] Speaker 1: the reason you're back in Parliament early is because of
[41:13] Speaker 1: the horrors just before Christmas. Your role in the condolence
[41:16] Speaker 1: motion was beautiful. Today speech was incredibly powerful. People can
[41:20] Speaker 1: see it on socials. But I loved that you went
[41:22] Speaker 1: and listed every single anti Semitic incident that's happened since
[41:26] Speaker 1: October seven to remind the theories at the bottom of
[41:29] Speaker 1: the garden that no, no, no, we're not talking about colonization,
[41:31] Speaker 1: We're not talking about LGBT issues. We're talking about an
[41:34] Speaker 1: issue that clearly led to the debts of Jews in.
[41:37] Speaker 10: Australia precisely, Paul.
[41:42] Speaker 17: I mean, it is really disappointing when you hear some
[41:46] Speaker 17: of our representatives, parliamentarians conflating other issues with the tragedy
[41:53] Speaker 17: that we've just experienced, the loss of life the fifteen
[41:59] Speaker 17: human being Jewish Australians who have had their lives taken
[42:04] Speaker 17: away from them, to throw in other issues concerning you know,
[42:12] Speaker 17: trans people, concerning what Indigenous people have supposedly been through
[42:16] Speaker 17: in this country.
[42:18] Speaker 10: That only needs to be put to the side.
[42:19] Speaker 17: We're dealing specifically here with anti Semitism, with its rapid
[42:25] Speaker 17: rise in our country over the last two years, leading
[42:29] Speaker 17: to an event that many of us were completely and
[42:33] Speaker 17: utterly heartbroken and shocked to learn about, but not surprised.
[42:39] Speaker 10: And we owe it to the victims.
[42:44] Speaker 17: Of the massacre to highlight precisely what has led to
[42:52] Speaker 17: this taking place.
[42:53] Speaker 10: We're supposed to be smart human beings.
[42:55] Speaker 17: We're supposed to learn from history to ensure that history
[42:58] Speaker 17: is never repeated.
[43:00] Speaker 1: Now, what I find amazing, right, is that there will
[43:03] Speaker 1: inevitably be this conversation where any sedation of a discussion
[43:06] Speaker 1: about radical Islam must not be had because it may
[43:10] Speaker 1: well create a blur or confuse people about traditional Islam. Okay,
[43:14] Speaker 1: can we stop this garbage?
[43:15] Speaker 2: Right?
[43:16] Speaker 1: Radical Islam is the problem. It's a varsadization of the faith.
[43:19] Speaker 1: And we can all be adult enough in the same
[43:21] Speaker 1: way that we know the difference between a Catholic priest
[43:24] Speaker 1: who may will committed a crime and general Catholics, Right,
[43:28] Speaker 1: so we don't have to always get back to this
[43:30] Speaker 1: asterisk every thirty seconds. We know what we're talking about.
[43:33] Speaker 1: But I'm afraid, mate, that we don't have the seriousness
[43:37] Speaker 1: or even the balls as a country to even get
[43:39] Speaker 1: into the conversation when literally prayer halls have been pointed
[43:43] Speaker 1: at for months but only get shut down after people die.
[43:49] Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly right.
[43:51] Speaker 17: I mean, you know, and I know that there are
[43:53] Speaker 17: definitely members of the Muslim community who are you know,
[43:57] Speaker 17: big enough, who who have a head on their shoulders,
[44:01] Speaker 17: and who know that we need to have this conversation
[44:04] Speaker 17: because we're supporting them as well against the extremists. If
[44:08] Speaker 17: we can, in a democracy such as our own in
[44:12] Speaker 17: twenty twenty six, have a clear, honest conversation about radical
[44:18] Speaker 17: Islamism within our country in order to save lives into
[44:23] Speaker 17: the future, in order to protect our citizens, this conversation
[44:27] Speaker 17: is necessary now, you know, to me, I see Albanezi
[44:32] Speaker 17: and his government as seeing this opportunity through this tragedy
[44:37] Speaker 17: to bring forward, you know, these hate laws, which you
[44:42] Speaker 17: know he's now had to abandon, but he's used this
[44:46] Speaker 17: occasion to try to push forward censorship and societies suffer
[44:53] Speaker 17: if those societies are censored from having these sorts of
[44:58] Speaker 17: debates which are really important. Any of the Jewish community
[45:01] Speaker 17: have said the way forward is not to diminish speech
[45:07] Speaker 17: in this country, but to have more speech, to have
[45:09] Speaker 17: better speech, to find solutions through this and have the
[45:13] Speaker 17: hard conversations, and that is exactly.
[45:16] Speaker 10: What we need to do going forward.
[45:17] Speaker 17: I mean it's like it's like being an Aboriginal woman
[45:20] Speaker 17: and I can't talk about the elements of traditional culture
[45:23] Speaker 17: that is diminishing my own people and ensuring violence continues forward.
[45:29] Speaker 10: I mean, there are parallels.
[45:32] Speaker 17: Between Islam and the way women are treated in traditional culture.
[45:36] Speaker 17: So we need to acknowledge these things and we need
[45:40] Speaker 17: to talk about them as a grown up society.
[45:43] Speaker 1: And can I say this too to the establishment leadership,
[45:46] Speaker 1: be part of this, come out and don't just denounce
[45:50] Speaker 1: it a press Reid, explain, this is this is not
[45:52] Speaker 1: we join with you. Whatever we can do to have
[45:55] Speaker 1: a look into the nooks and crannies, we gladly will
[45:57] Speaker 1: because we want this garbage out as well. So you
[46:01] Speaker 1: mentioned there about this legislation and again what apparently is
[46:03] Speaker 1: being negotiated behind the scenes. I just don't know how
[46:07] Speaker 1: anything that can be sort of thrashed out in what
[46:10] Speaker 1: a couple of hours is going to result in the
[46:13] Speaker 1: right place. Because this stuff is so big that I
[46:15] Speaker 1: want this to be a month's long process, with hearing
[46:19] Speaker 1: in every single city, with every single There is so
[46:21] Speaker 1: much NW once here that just for the excuse of
[46:25] Speaker 1: a deal. I don't want to rush to something on this,
[46:28] Speaker 1: and not because I want to keep hate alive, but
[46:30] Speaker 1: because I want to keep free speech alive. I don't
[46:34] Speaker 1: think you can do this in a quick deal overnight,
[46:36] Speaker 1: and it looks like that might be what happens.
[46:40] Speaker 17: Yeah, we can't do this in a quick deal overnight.
[46:42] Speaker 17: And I personally feel like this whole process has been
[46:46] Speaker 17: a rushed process. I would have liked to see the
[46:51] Speaker 17: Royal Commission take place to understand the extent of the
[46:55] Speaker 17: need in our country in order to protect our citizens
[46:58] Speaker 17: before rushing ahead with any forms of legislation in our country,
[47:04] Speaker 17: because of course there's always the unintended consequences and that
[47:08] Speaker 17: is even unclear at this stage with what's before us.
[47:12] Speaker 17: And you know, I mean we as the Senate, we
[47:15] Speaker 17: resume at two pm tomorrow and you know, we're told
[47:19] Speaker 17: there's a possible guillotine will will come about at about
[47:23] Speaker 17: six pm. I mean, seriously, guillotining debate ensures that really
[47:29] Speaker 17: there is no real debate. This is this is a
[47:31] Speaker 17: deal between the Greens.
[47:34] Speaker 10: And the government.
[47:35] Speaker 17: They have the numbers to push through whatever they want
[47:38] Speaker 17: to push through, and this is diminishing our freedoms in
[47:42] Speaker 17: our country in Australia. And to be honest, Paul, I'm
[47:48] Speaker 17: looking at it, and you know, we've obviously had our
[47:50] Speaker 17: party room meeting this afternoon, but I'm still mulling over
[47:54] Speaker 17: where I sit with it all, you know, whether I
[47:59] Speaker 17: have to cross the floor or not.
[48:00] Speaker 10: I'm still.
[48:02] Speaker 17: Yet to make my decision entirely on that. But this
[48:05] Speaker 17: is a very rushed through process and we should really
[48:10] Speaker 17: have stopped to think about this and to allow the
[48:13] Speaker 17: Royal Commission to take place before before going ahead and
[48:17] Speaker 17: making laws that our citizens have to abide by.
[48:20] Speaker 1: If anyone put a contract in front of you with
[48:23] Speaker 1: less than a day's notice, you wouldn't sign it, right,
[48:25] Speaker 1: That's what's happening here. A couple of hours in the morning,
[48:28] Speaker 1: a couple of hours in the afternoon, and then a
[48:29] Speaker 1: dirty deal done as it seems to be, Senator, your conscience.
[48:33] Speaker 1: As always, we love you. Thank you so much. Senator,
[48:35] Speaker 1: you sent an jumper price representing the Northern Territory in
[48:38] Speaker 1: our federal Parliament. Donald Trump and Greenland. Yeah, we're not
[48:42] Speaker 1: going to get a map here. We won't surface the globe,
[48:45] Speaker 1: but we will discuss next I'll do Greenland later. Some
[48:53] Speaker 1: personal news. We got a puppy, And we got a puppy,
[48:55] Speaker 1: beautiful little dashy. His name's Chase. It is awesome. Tomorrow
[49:07] Speaker 1: h

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