# Paul Murray Live | 28 January

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 28 Jan 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/9e9384e7-8665-4217-a797-b3e000bfa501/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The Australian government spending is out of control, the future of the Coalition hangs in the balance. Plus, Nationals MP Colin Boyce declares open revolt, announces leadership challenge against David Littleproud. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Problemless skying in setter.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Get a Happy Wednesday wherever he happened to be Welcome
[0:09] Speaker 1: to the work bench in the jush up Man Cave.
[0:11] Speaker 1: Let's get to a big and busy show, and I've
[0:13] Speaker 1: got a present for you tonight. No Sook's, no lefties.
[0:15] Speaker 1: I know you like that. A great panel coming up
[0:18] Speaker 1: at a moment or two is time. Our dear friend
[0:19] Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly joins us from the United States, and a
[0:22] Speaker 1: couple of surprises, including a very special new face on
[0:26] Speaker 1: the show that I hope you will like as much
[0:27] Speaker 1: as I do. But first, inflation. Remember when the Prime
[0:32] Speaker 1: Minister had said, conveniently in the lead up to the
[0:34] Speaker 1: last election that we'd turned the corner, the worst of
[0:37] Speaker 1: it was behind us, nothing to see here anymore. Well,
[0:41] Speaker 1: today the receipt came through about what we know has
[0:45] Speaker 1: been happening for many months since the federal election, and
[0:48] Speaker 1: that is that there is yet another increase in inflation.
[0:52] Speaker 1: This one now has it closer to four percent than
[0:54] Speaker 1: three percent, and of course the margin of the Reserve
[0:57] Speaker 1: Bank once it is between two and three percent. Oh
[1:00] Speaker 1: what did Jim Chalmers talk about today? Oh, that's right,
[1:03] Speaker 1: Scott Morrison.
[1:05] Speaker 3: Those measures are all about trying to unify the country,
[1:09] Speaker 3: not divide the country. I think typically Scott Morrison has
[1:13] Speaker 3: a very different objective, is a pretty divisive figure.
[1:18] Speaker 1: We learned today that we're going to definitely have another
[1:21] Speaker 1: ten years of budget deficits, all of which are put
[1:23] Speaker 1: on top of the one trillion dollars of debt that
[1:26] Speaker 1: we already have, and that spending increases have blown a
[1:29] Speaker 1: fifty seven billion before billion dollar black hole in Charmer's budget.
[1:34] Speaker 1: Economists have said, like I have shown you for as
[1:37] Speaker 1: long as I've had access to this camera, that the
[1:40] Speaker 1: structural deficit, the baked in spending that means no matter
[1:44] Speaker 1: how many record highs of taxation they take, the spending
[1:48] Speaker 1: that is promised gets bigger and bigger every year. And
[1:52] Speaker 1: for once, it's not just me, it's someone way smarter
[1:54] Speaker 1: than me making the point.
[1:57] Speaker 4: The single explanation I think is excessive governments spending that
[2:01] Speaker 4: leaves less room for private sector spending has meant higher
[2:05] Speaker 4: inflation than otherwise would have been the case, and unfortunately
[2:08] Speaker 4: also means higher interest rates than what otherwise have been
[2:11] Speaker 4: the case.
[2:12] Speaker 1: Yet, what did other members of the Abanzi government talk
[2:15] Speaker 1: about today. That's right, Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison to
[2:21] Speaker 1: tire an entire religion, I just think is unacceptable, It's
[2:26] Speaker 1: not based in fact, and it undermines social cohesion. Now,
[2:31] Speaker 1: of course, the problem here is that inflation, which has
[2:35] Speaker 1: been getting out of control for many months, is now
[2:38] Speaker 1: very close to being a major economic problem. Now it is,
[2:43] Speaker 1: of course calculated not month by month. We get an
[2:46] Speaker 1: indication month by month, but it is done every three months,
[2:48] Speaker 1: quarter by quarter. In the past couple of quarters it's
[2:51] Speaker 1: been starting to go back up. Now. Remember, part of
[2:54] Speaker 1: the frustration that people have about inflation is not the
[2:58] Speaker 1: difference between this month and last month, but this year
[3:01] Speaker 1: and last year, this year, two years, this year, three years,
[3:04] Speaker 1: and almost everything costs way more than it used to. Sadly,
[3:08] Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank only has one leave at pull when
[3:11] Speaker 1: it comes to this. Rather than telling the government to
[3:14] Speaker 1: pull its head in when it comes to spending, the
[3:16] Speaker 1: Reserve Bank well, that of course, is in a position
[3:18] Speaker 1: to raise or lower interest rates to make things harder
[3:23] Speaker 1: for the average day, every day citizen, for the average family,
[3:26] Speaker 1: because of course the average family are the ones who
[3:30] Speaker 1: need to show more economic restraint than the federal government.
[3:35] Speaker 1: Now I have shown you again four years that since
[3:38] Speaker 1: the election of this government, tens of thousands of dollars
[3:42] Speaker 1: has been needed to pay off the very same mortgage
[3:45] Speaker 1: that you had before Jim Charmers became the Treasurer and
[3:49] Speaker 1: before Anthony Abernezi became the Prime Minister. Again, another smart
[3:53] Speaker 1: bloke with glasses is telling us about what some of
[3:56] Speaker 1: the changes, including the removal of the so called rebate,
[4:01] Speaker 1: which of course was just covering up the increases and
[4:04] Speaker 1: electricity prices which was covering up the real effects on inflation. Well,
[4:08] Speaker 1: this guy has said that today's inflation figures, combined with
[4:11] Speaker 1: the end of energy rebates, rising health insurance costs, are
[4:14] Speaker 1: smashing household budgets. So scoop all of these increases combined
[4:20] Speaker 1: would mean that an average Australian household would stand to
[4:23] Speaker 1: shell out an initial two thousand, one hundred and ninety
[4:25] Speaker 1: two dollars over the course of this year. He points
[4:28] Speaker 1: out how inflation is widespreaded to sitting power bills, that
[4:30] Speaker 1: is rentals, and it is mortgages. You don't say it
[4:36] Speaker 1: was extraordinary to see some parts of the media play
[4:39] Speaker 1: really when if you have been paying attention and I
[4:43] Speaker 1: know you do. Month in month out, We've been showing
[4:45] Speaker 1: you that it's not between two and three. It has
[4:48] Speaker 1: been between three and four for a while and now
[4:51] Speaker 1: closer at three point eight to four. It continues to
[4:55] Speaker 1: be a problem. In fact, in just December alone, these
[4:58] Speaker 1: are the things that went up. Housing lot higher than
[5:02] Speaker 1: three point eight, the cost of education, alcohol and tobacco,
[5:06] Speaker 1: recreation and culture, all of those things way higher than
[5:09] Speaker 1: the three point eight. As always, insurance keeps going up.
[5:12] Speaker 1: But two point five now on top of a twenty
[5:15] Speaker 1: percent from two years ago. You can understand why people
[5:18] Speaker 1: get frustrated. Yet, what did the federal government have to
[5:23] Speaker 1: say today when part of their own decision making, which
[5:29] Speaker 1: was to take away the little election gift that helped
[5:32] Speaker 1: hide the inflation dragon during an election campaign, is now
[5:38] Speaker 1: starting to go back up and the average Australian family
[5:42] Speaker 1: could be now two thousand dollars worse off as a
[5:45] Speaker 1: result of the economy that this government is leading. Well,
[5:49] Speaker 1: they're trying to tell you this is not the inflation
[5:52] Speaker 1: that you think it is. That's the top of our list.
[5:56] Speaker 5: Cost of living is the top priority of this government
[5:59] Speaker 5: has to.
[5:59] Speaker 1: Be really, so it's the top priority of this government.
[6:05] Speaker 1: Yet one of the things that they introduced to help
[6:09] Speaker 1: deal with power prices that increase in part because we
[6:12] Speaker 1: have to spend what trillion dollars two three trillion dollars
[6:16] Speaker 1: going from the old system to the one that makes
[6:19] Speaker 1: people feel better. Because the planet, of course is just
[6:22] Speaker 1: one percent controlled by Australia when it comes to the climate.
[6:26] Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent of the problem is the rest of
[6:30] Speaker 1: the world. But of course, because we must feel better
[6:34] Speaker 1: about ourselves, and the politics of these things are all
[6:36] Speaker 1: ramped up, and the government wants to tell us that
[6:38] Speaker 1: we've turned the corner when we had not really even
[6:41] Speaker 1: got to the corner. They want to keep telling you
[6:44] Speaker 1: that their number one priority is cost delivering. They want
[6:48] Speaker 1: to pretend the two little too late tax cuts, and
[6:51] Speaker 1: they've had a few versions of it stupidly opposed by
[6:53] Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, which opened up a whole bunch of
[6:55] Speaker 1: political damage for them at the last election. But it
[6:59] Speaker 1: is extraordinary that in the three years that Anthony Aberesi
[7:05] Speaker 1: was the opposition leader, every single price rise on everything
[7:09] Speaker 1: from bread to petra was the Prime Minister's fault. In
[7:14] Speaker 1: the three now four years that Anthony Aberesi has been
[7:18] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister. It's still Scott Morrison's fault. Help me
[7:22] Speaker 1: out here. When it's good it's your management. When it's bad,
[7:26] Speaker 1: it's his fault. And when all else fails, just start
[7:29] Speaker 1: talking about culture wars. I hope the Australian people can
[7:34] Speaker 1: see through this BS, but alas the scoreboard suggests, they're
[7:38] Speaker 1: fine with it.
[7:41] Speaker 2: Now.
[7:42] Speaker 1: The Prime Minister also is keen to tell us what
[7:45] Speaker 1: the number one priority of his government is, which apparently
[7:48] Speaker 1: is different than the other number one priority that you
[7:50] Speaker 1: just heard about.
[7:53] Speaker 6: We continue to have to prioritize keeping Australian safe.
[8:01] Speaker 1: Now. The Prime Minister likes to play this little game
[8:03] Speaker 1: that you know is sort of dad, granddad, cool uncle
[8:07] Speaker 1: in chief. And as long as he always says, hey, everyone,
[8:10] Speaker 1: can't we just get along? If you're anyone who points
[8:13] Speaker 1: out how Australia it is not getting along, then somehow
[8:15] Speaker 1: you're part of the problem rather than the boy if
[8:17] Speaker 1: who wants to pretend to have the responsibility to be
[8:20] Speaker 1: able to hold everyone together but wants no accountability about
[8:23] Speaker 1: the reality of things. Now, it's a fine speech and
[8:29] Speaker 1: he often gives it.
[8:31] Speaker 6: A country united and liberated by the Australian covenant, a
[8:36] Speaker 6: commitment that every citizen makes to our nation, and a
[8:40] Speaker 6: promise our people make to each other to leave behind
[8:45] Speaker 6: the burden of old prejudices and hatreds. Unity not division.
[8:52] Speaker 6: That is the Australia of two thy and twenty five.
[8:58] Speaker 1: And who disagrees. Of course I want unity. Of course
[9:00] Speaker 1: we want everyone to live peacefully. We all know there
[9:04] Speaker 1: was a time when we lived a lot more peacefully
[9:06] Speaker 1: than we do today. And there's a term the Prime
[9:08] Speaker 1: Minister has used over and over again, and he sort
[9:11] Speaker 1: of mainstreamed this as the ultimate litmus test about whether
[9:15] Speaker 1: Australia is getting along or not.
[9:18] Speaker 6: Social cohesion, social cohesion, social cohesion or social cohesion.
[9:24] Speaker 1: Well, there are many things that go into that concept
[9:27] Speaker 1: of social cohesion. Now that term has been used heavily
[9:31] Speaker 1: over the past couple of years, as there have been
[9:34] Speaker 1: horrible examples of anti semitism, but there are other examples
[9:40] Speaker 1: about how we are failing when it comes to our
[9:42] Speaker 1: social cohesion, when we are failing on the mission of unity.
[9:48] Speaker 1: Some of these matters are currently before the court. So
[9:51] Speaker 1: all I can do is simply list the past few
[9:55] Speaker 1: weeks in Australia and tell me whether you think that
[9:59] Speaker 1: Australi is more socially cohesive in twenty six than it
[10:03] Speaker 1: wasn't twenty five alone, in twenty lit alone in fifteen,
[10:06] Speaker 1: let alone in the year two thousand and ten. There
[10:13] Speaker 1: is a person who is currently before the courts alleged
[10:18] Speaker 1: to have used hate speech at a March for Australia
[10:21] Speaker 1: Day rally. There is a man who is alleged to
[10:26] Speaker 1: have made explosives and thrown a pipe bomb into the
[10:32] Speaker 1: Perth Invasion Day rallies. Two days ago at the height
[10:37] Speaker 1: of summer. A bell Connon man allegedly was believed to
[10:43] Speaker 1: have put fifteen pipe bombs in and around Canberra, but
[10:48] Speaker 1: for some reason not considered a potential act of terrorism. Again,
[10:52] Speaker 1: all alleged or before the courts, all will have their
[10:54] Speaker 1: day in court. And then, of course there's this bloke
[10:56] Speaker 1: who decided to do what the Labor Party voted for
[11:00] Speaker 1: just two weeks ago as something that shouldn't be a crime.
[11:06] Speaker 2: What okay?
[11:20] Speaker 1: Now, by the way, a couple of smart cookies have
[11:22] Speaker 1: pointed out in particularly when it comes to the Melbourne
[11:25] Speaker 1: Invasion Day thing is that Victoria US of course leading
[11:29] Speaker 1: the nation when it comes to reconciliation. It is leading
[11:33] Speaker 1: the nation when it comes to trying to deal with
[11:37] Speaker 1: the quote unquote sins of the past. And remember there
[11:41] Speaker 1: was a signing of a treaty, a treaty between First
[11:45] Speaker 1: Nations people in Victoria and the government of Victoria. So
[11:48] Speaker 1: got somebody please explain to me why when the Victorian
[11:52] Speaker 1: government has signed a treaty you are still taking to
[11:55] Speaker 1: the streets as if no one had recognized the sins
[12:00] Speaker 1: of the past. Or is the point that it doesn't
[12:03] Speaker 1: matter what is done by governments of all stripes, you
[12:07] Speaker 1: just want to protest anyway. Now, if I said that
[12:13] Speaker 1: homosexuality was an evil act which brought evil outcomes in
[12:18] Speaker 1: the form of STDs, that would be pretty wild. Or
[12:22] Speaker 1: if women were to be hung by the breasts, I
[12:25] Speaker 1: would be off the air. I wouldn't finish the hour,
[12:28] Speaker 1: And that would be absolutely correct. Those statements are attributed
[12:32] Speaker 1: to a bloke in a series of news articles more
[12:35] Speaker 1: than ten years ago, after he was invited by the
[12:39] Speaker 1: then Prime Minister, Malcolm Turmble to dine at Kirabilly House.
[12:45] Speaker 1: Malcolm Turble was then asked later on maccrary Radio in
[12:48] Speaker 1: twenty sixteen if he regretted inviting the said shake, the
[12:53] Speaker 1: then Prime Minister said, I do well. He's back in
[12:57] Speaker 1: the news today because the shape is now one of
[13:01] Speaker 1: the leaders of the National m M's Council. He had
[13:04] Speaker 1: a crack at former Prime Minister Scott Morrison today after
[13:07] Speaker 1: he made the following suggestions in Israel overnight.
[13:11] Speaker 7: Islamic leaders have a pastoral duty to protect their communities
[13:14] Speaker 7: from radicalization, and I believe most take this responsibility very seriously. However,
[13:20] Speaker 7: stronger institutional frameworks would assist them, but it would also
[13:25] Speaker 7: expose those who do not share their commitment. And it
[13:28] Speaker 7: is time that the Islamic institutions in Australia adopted nationally consistent,
[13:33] Speaker 7: self regulated standards.
[13:36] Speaker 1: The Shaik release a statement today on behalf of the
[13:39] Speaker 1: Australian National m RMS Association saying, quote, we call on
[13:43] Speaker 1: former Prime Minister Scott Morrison, Senator Bragg, that being Andrew Bragg,
[13:47] Speaker 1: and all political parties and leaders to act with responsibility,
[13:52] Speaker 1: restraint and integrity in their public commentary. Goes on to say,
[13:56] Speaker 1: and to refrain from using divisive and misleading terms such
[13:59] Speaker 1: as radical Islam or extremist Islam or other divisive language.
[14:05] Speaker 1: Now let's be very clear about terms like radical Islam
[14:10] Speaker 1: and why they are used by, among others, the current,
[14:15] Speaker 1: the former and many other prime ministers. This is to
[14:19] Speaker 1: show how far from the mainstream of Islam people and
[14:24] Speaker 1: organizations like Isis are who have killed in the name
[14:29] Speaker 1: of creating a caliphate, a religious state where you can
[14:33] Speaker 1: be killed for not being a believer, in the same
[14:37] Speaker 1: way that we say things like fundamentalist preachers on the
[14:41] Speaker 1: fringe of Christian communities. The term is about trying to
[14:45] Speaker 1: draw a line between the people of good faith and
[14:49] Speaker 1: those who seek to justify violence through a twisted version
[14:53] Speaker 1: of their faith. The shaikh claims it was during mister
[14:58] Speaker 1: Morrison's prime ministership that have an Australian national murdered fifty
[15:02] Speaker 1: one innocent people in christ Church after being radicalized on
[15:05] Speaker 1: Australian soil, on that Australian on that occasion, no collective
[15:10] Speaker 1: blame was placed on a race, religion or community, nor
[15:14] Speaker 1: should it have been. That standard must apply consistently. Well,
[15:21] Speaker 1: we had to look back at the tape. What were
[15:23] Speaker 1: the terms that we used to describe the man who
[15:26] Speaker 1: committed those heinous acts?
[15:29] Speaker 3: Confessed white supremacist Breton Tarrant arriving for his first day
[15:33] Speaker 3: of reckoning.
[15:34] Speaker 8: In a previous court appearance, he made what was interpreted
[15:37] Speaker 8: as a white supremacist hand gesture.
[15:40] Speaker 9: Under his name online is a racist manifesto claiming that
[15:43] Speaker 9: white Christians are under threat from other religions and races.
[15:47] Speaker 1: Now let's get to the sky News Pulse, the brand
[15:50] Speaker 1: new political poll which has set the political world of fire.
[15:53] Speaker 1: Every second Tuesday you will see it revealed first here
[15:56] Speaker 1: on pal Murray Live. Details quickly to follow at sky
[15:59] Speaker 1: news dot com. That are you now? What I love
[16:00] Speaker 1: about the poll is it's an awful lot of people
[16:03] Speaker 1: and it's done by a very serious polling company that
[16:05] Speaker 1: got it right about how far in front of the
[16:07] Speaker 1: Libs were and about how eventually in real time, how
[16:11] Speaker 1: labor ended up in front before the last election. That's
[16:14] Speaker 1: the Yugov Organization. It has made a lot of news,
[16:16] Speaker 1: and rightly so. Why because of the rise of Pauline Hansen.
[16:20] Speaker 1: As you've heard everyone tell you, as we told you
[16:22] Speaker 1: at the same time last night and again join me.
[16:24] Speaker 1: Every second Tuesday you will see it first here. All
[16:28] Speaker 1: eyes in the political world will be on those broadcasts
[16:31] Speaker 1: because we want to see what's happening with one nation
[16:33] Speaker 1: as you know, one Nation now a quarter of the
[16:35] Speaker 1: vote extraordinary when you think about it. In terms of
[16:38] Speaker 1: the Lower House, there is Barnaby Joyce who is the
[16:40] Speaker 1: only member of One Nation in the Lower House. But
[16:43] Speaker 1: he's not running to be the next Prime Minister. He's
[16:44] Speaker 1: not trying to do a Craig Kelly here. Instead, there
[16:47] Speaker 1: is currently an empty Orange chair that twenty five percent
[16:49] Speaker 1: of Australians want to vote for. But I thought I
[16:52] Speaker 1: should break some of these numbers down for you and
[16:55] Speaker 1: give you a little more information about how people your
[16:59] Speaker 1: age are voting or thinking about voting right now. Eighteen
[17:03] Speaker 1: to twenty fours, who most likely will be watching this
[17:05] Speaker 1: online just eight percent one nation. Their bigger choice is
[17:10] Speaker 1: the Greens, but still Labor on top with thirty six.
[17:14] Speaker 1: Once you start to move towards the back end of
[17:16] Speaker 1: university and start getting on with your real life, one
[17:18] Speaker 1: Nation doubles from eight to sixteen, the Greens fall from
[17:21] Speaker 1: thirty two to twenty five, and Labour basically stays where
[17:25] Speaker 1: it is. Here's where we start to get some movement.
[17:29] Speaker 1: Once you hit thirty five to forty nine, you're in
[17:31] Speaker 1: the prime of your working life, most likely to have
[17:35] Speaker 1: a young family, one Nation second on the ladder at
[17:39] Speaker 1: nineteen percent, Labor at thirty three the coalition falling back
[17:43] Speaker 1: to that dismal or should I say, the Liberal Party
[17:45] Speaker 1: sixteen percent and with the National Party back at two percent.
[17:51] Speaker 1: But when it really starts to take over is that
[17:53] Speaker 1: one Nation is now the leading preference of people over
[17:56] Speaker 1: the age of fifty. Now there are basically as men
[18:00] Speaker 1: people over the age of fifty in Australia as there
[18:01] Speaker 1: are under the age of fifty. And for people who
[18:04] Speaker 1: believe that well, all of this is just some super
[18:07] Speaker 1: oldies thing, it's half the country. Thirty five percent of
[18:11] Speaker 1: people would their primary votes say that they would vote
[18:14] Speaker 1: one nation thirty three percent say the Labor Party, And
[18:18] Speaker 1: have a look at how close in single digits everyone else,
[18:21] Speaker 1: including the Liberal Party is at sixty five percent, traditionally
[18:25] Speaker 1: a place where the Liberal Party would have assumed that
[18:27] Speaker 1: they would win in a canter. Thirty four percent of
[18:30] Speaker 1: people over the age of sixty five, the people who
[18:33] Speaker 1: have seen a life, lived a life may well be
[18:35] Speaker 1: having to care for the grandkids because both their kid
[18:39] Speaker 1: and the person that they are shacked up with are
[18:41] Speaker 1: working thirty four percent. Now, of course, for this to
[18:47] Speaker 1: all translate into the Lower House would be very significant.
[18:51] Speaker 1: And as we showed you that if the right candidate
[18:53] Speaker 1: and everyone voted, then yes, they would end up winning
[18:55] Speaker 1: more seats than all but the Labor Party. That would
[18:58] Speaker 1: of course officially make them the opposition. And you'll hear
[19:02] Speaker 1: a lot of people trying to talk about one Nation
[19:03] Speaker 1: and its future in the lower House. Reality is it's
[19:07] Speaker 1: a couple of years away. Reality, we wouldn't know who
[19:09] Speaker 1: would be its leader and in which part of the
[19:12] Speaker 1: country they would come from. Now. Of course, people like
[19:14] Speaker 1: Campbell Newman previously in the Coinsland Parliament have been able
[19:17] Speaker 1: to win from outside. Bob Hawk way back in the
[19:19] Speaker 1: eighties was able to do the same. But the game,
[19:22] Speaker 1: of course is all about the Senate. Now. The likelihood
[19:25] Speaker 1: of one Nation running as high as they currently are
[19:29] Speaker 1: would mean it wouldn't be one or two every now
[19:31] Speaker 1: and then, it'd be almost at least one senator maybe
[19:34] Speaker 1: two in places like Coinsland, in every single state. And
[19:39] Speaker 1: this leads to a big problem for the National Party
[19:42] Speaker 1: because when the National Party is in coalition with the
[19:45] Speaker 1: Liberal Party, they of course are able to get the
[19:48] Speaker 1: leftover votes from the Liberal Party which flow down to
[19:51] Speaker 1: the number two position, which is always the Nationals spot,
[19:55] Speaker 1: and that's how so many Nationals end up getting elected
[19:57] Speaker 1: to the Federal Parliament. Why because you need what about
[20:00] Speaker 1: fourteen percent of the vote to end up getting into
[20:04] Speaker 1: the Federal Parliament. So if you're out on your own
[20:07] Speaker 1: and you've got to get fourteen percent, that's a little
[20:10] Speaker 1: bit harder, which is why the Cydney Morning Herald, the Age,
[20:13] Speaker 1: the Brisbane Times today said there'd be a massive chance
[20:17] Speaker 1: of some friends of ours just falling out of the
[20:20] Speaker 1: parliament if the Nats were out on their own. But
[20:22] Speaker 1: that is the decision, of course, that has been made.
[20:25] Speaker 1: In Victoria and New South Wales, the Liberals and Nationals
[20:27] Speaker 1: have historically run on a joint Senate ticket, even though
[20:29] Speaker 1: they are two parties, are not merged as they are
[20:31] Speaker 1: in Queensland and at the next election, former shadow Cabinet
[20:34] Speaker 1: ministers Bridget McKenzie and Ross Cadell face re election. If
[20:38] Speaker 1: the two parties do not reconcile before the next election,
[20:40] Speaker 1: both would struggle to claim a quota, which is just
[20:43] Speaker 1: over one seventh of the statewide vote. Hence the fourteen percent.
[20:48] Speaker 1: The National's got just seven point three percent in the
[20:50] Speaker 1: Lower House vote in New South Wales four point six
[20:52] Speaker 1: in Victoria, and obviously this is well shored of a
[20:56] Speaker 1: quota now. Again, regardless of who you think is right
[21:00] Speaker 1: and up and down and all the rest of it,
[21:02] Speaker 1: the truth is that for the National Party to be
[21:04] Speaker 1: able to thrive in a place like the Upper House,
[21:07] Speaker 1: they have to be in the same tent hoping for
[21:13] Speaker 1: the flow on vote of the Liberal Party, which traditionally
[21:17] Speaker 1: would have more voters, not many more seats at the moment,
[21:20] Speaker 1: but more voters in more built up areas, which could
[21:24] Speaker 1: be why the bloke who has already left the House
[21:27] Speaker 1: twice is starting to think about coming home.
[21:32] Speaker 5: A lot to work through and where we get to,
[21:34] Speaker 5: but we're calm about that. We're in no rush. If
[21:36] Speaker 5: the three Arens started, the coalition goes back to all
[21:40] Speaker 5: the terms and conditions that we had that we signed
[21:43] Speaker 5: up to in May.
[21:44] Speaker 1: That was what the party room voted for.
[21:46] Speaker 5: And that's what we've got, So we're calm about that.
[21:52] Speaker 1: For her part, Susan Lee is holding off on what
[21:55] Speaker 1: could be the killer blow when it comes to the Nationals.
[21:58] Speaker 1: Now it would also be a killer blow to the
[22:00] Speaker 1: Liberal Party, So who knows. Do you destroy the village
[22:03] Speaker 1: to save it. Who knows what the logic is here,
[22:06] Speaker 1: but she has written to David Little Proud and sent
[22:10] Speaker 1: a version of some of that text to Liberal MPs tonight.
[22:14] Speaker 1: I reminded him that as leaders of the Liberal and
[22:16] Speaker 1: National parties, we are stewards of two great movements that
[22:19] Speaker 1: exist to serve the Australian people, and that maintaining a
[22:21] Speaker 1: strong and functioning relationship between our two parties is in
[22:24] Speaker 1: the national interest, whether it is informal coalition or not.
[22:29] Speaker 1: David's team have just advised me that their focus is
[22:33] Speaker 1: the spill motion that he now faces, and therefore unavailable
[22:36] Speaker 1: to meet until that spill is considered. What rubbish. Now,
[22:42] Speaker 1: if people have come to their senses and they've worked
[22:44] Speaker 1: out whether they like it or not, but the only
[22:47] Speaker 1: way to prop each other up is to prop each
[22:49] Speaker 1: other up. Any other way to get the flow on
[22:53] Speaker 1: votes is to prop each other up, well, then this
[22:57] Speaker 1: is why call heads should have prevailed that I can't.
[23:00] Speaker 1: There may will have been a scenario where some Shutter
[23:02] Speaker 1: ministers had to be suspended, sacked some creative way of
[23:08] Speaker 1: making it seem like they were being punished without sacking them.
[23:11] Speaker 1: But conversely, the response of everyone pulls out, we're out
[23:15] Speaker 1: of the coalition, and then a week later, well maybe not.
[23:21] Speaker 1: The problem here is that if people are paying attention,
[23:24] Speaker 1: they cannot believe what they are saying. But more likely
[23:27] Speaker 1: they're not paying attention. And that's even worse because the
[23:30] Speaker 1: means they're hearing about it from other people and the
[23:33] Speaker 1: whisper effect of all of this is not going to
[23:34] Speaker 1: be good for them. Now. I saw my mate mate
[23:37] Speaker 1: Canavan a bit earlier on with Andrew Bolton, quite correctly,
[23:39] Speaker 1: he says a lot of water to go into the bridge.
[23:42] Speaker 1: I'm a person who has long talked about one nation,
[23:45] Speaker 1: long talked about one nation that has shown their ups
[23:48] Speaker 1: and downs in their state run, in their federal runs
[23:53] Speaker 1: for many, many many elections. The most likely success is
[23:58] Speaker 1: going to be in the Senate. That vote in the
[24:01] Speaker 1: lower house will matter because preferences. But if the Libs
[24:05] Speaker 1: finish behind one nation, do they give their preferences to
[24:07] Speaker 1: one nation or are they going to give their preferences
[24:09] Speaker 1: to Labor, who of course will give their preferences to
[24:11] Speaker 1: the Libs because they won't give the preferences to one nation. Confusing, yeah,
[24:15] Speaker 1: a little bit. But all of this of course has
[24:20] Speaker 1: perhaps produced an adult in the room. Colin Boyce is
[24:24] Speaker 1: a BLOKEHAI will not say I have a huge amount
[24:27] Speaker 1: of knowledge about, but he's a bloke who was on
[24:29] Speaker 1: TV with Kieran Gilbert this morning. This is why he
[24:31] Speaker 1: should always be watching morning, noon and night. And he
[24:35] Speaker 1: decided to drop a bomb live on air that even
[24:38] Speaker 1: surprised KG, which was that this guy, who yep, probably
[24:41] Speaker 1: has a snowballs chance in hell, believes the only way
[24:45] Speaker 1: back is not for mum and dad to stop fighting,
[24:48] Speaker 1: but maybe mum or dad to move out.
[24:53] Speaker 10: I will be moving a spill nation on Monday afternoon
[24:56] Speaker 10: in the National Party party room to give my a
[25:00] Speaker 10: leagues an option because the reality is is they follow
[25:05] Speaker 10: the course thereon. Now we are going over the political cliff.
[25:09] Speaker 11: And in terms of spilling the leadership. You don't believe
[25:14] Speaker 11: David Little Proud. His performance has been up to scratch?
[25:17] Speaker 11: Is that the motivation? And who should replace him?
[25:23] Speaker 1: So I will be standing for the leadership now again.
[25:26] Speaker 1: You may have a snowball's chance in hell. He may
[25:28] Speaker 1: have His only vote in the Parliament could be him.
[25:30] Speaker 1: I don't know how popular or otherwise he is. Certainly
[25:33] Speaker 1: I would suggest Matt Canavan, if I could pick all
[25:35] Speaker 1: of the Nats who could end up being the leader,
[25:36] Speaker 1: even Bridget McKenzie as the leader. But pretty obviously you
[25:40] Speaker 1: can't threaten to leave multiple times. You can't leave twice
[25:45] Speaker 1: and expect everyone to forget because they won't. And for
[25:50] Speaker 1: the obvious electoral survival, they have to be together, so
[25:54] Speaker 1: someone has to break. You can't just keep going back
[25:56] Speaker 1: to the same people making the same threats over and
[25:59] Speaker 1: over again. We either agree with them or not. That's
[26:03] Speaker 1: just the reality of political maths, which is always part
[26:07] Speaker 1: of the game. Now we like to poke fun at politicians,
[26:13] Speaker 1: particularly when they decide to make stars of themselves on
[26:17] Speaker 1: social media while you have been working hard, paying your taxes,
[26:21] Speaker 1: but just sitting back each and every night going all right, Paul,
[26:24] Speaker 1: what are they done to day? Well, this is what
[26:26] Speaker 1: they did today, because not only do you pay their wages,
[26:28] Speaker 1: not only do we have to follow their rules, but
[26:30] Speaker 1: we also pay for their staffers to film to make
[26:33] Speaker 1: crap social media videos like this one from Jed.
[26:36] Speaker 12: Carney ASMR Labor Policy.
[26:40] Speaker 1: Edition, And just like that, Tani Plibisek is part of
[26:56] Speaker 1: the game too, And then Chris Bowen, of course when
[27:10] Speaker 1: he's not changing our system from the one that worked
[27:13] Speaker 1: to the one that will into the future. Well, he
[27:15] Speaker 1: too is making a spectacle of himself online cay Let's go.
[27:22] Speaker 6: As of today, Australians have installed two hundred thousand home
[27:26] Speaker 6: batteries per sent one July last year.
[27:29] Speaker 1: I've got jeans that Apollo on. Would you buy a
[27:33] Speaker 1: future from this man? Probably not, but the actual winner
[27:36] Speaker 1: and by that I mean and not quite is a
[27:40] Speaker 1: social media post from about eight ten months ago. David
[27:43] Speaker 1: Southwick today became the returned deputy leader of the Liberal
[27:47] Speaker 1: Party in Victoria, and he hopefully will not do what
[27:51] Speaker 1: he did when Taylor Swift came to Melbourne in twenty
[27:54] Speaker 1: twenty four. Ever, ever, ever, again, David, delete this video. David,
[28:04] Speaker 1: what are you doing?
[28:05] Speaker 13: Oh?
[28:06] Speaker 1: Well, you know what, sweetie, I've got the T shirt.
[28:09] Speaker 1: I couldn't get tickets, so I thought I.
[28:11] Speaker 7: Had my own concent here in the office.
[28:14] Speaker 1: But your next appointments here, oh seriously, ah jee, I'll
[28:18] Speaker 1: be one ticket.
[28:20] Speaker 12: A few moments later, David hat.
[28:25] Speaker 2: Oh god, oh wow wow.
[28:32] Speaker 1: Part of the team hoping to take down Labor, which
[28:35] Speaker 1: of course deserves to lose in Victoria.
[28:37] Speaker 2: Delete the video.
[28:38] Speaker 1: David and hopefully the person who gave you the idea
[28:41] Speaker 1: to do the video. Quick break back with more lots
[28:43] Speaker 1: to talk about, including a new face who I hope
[28:45] Speaker 1: will become a regular here on Port Murray Live, Lucy's
[28:48] Speaker 1: Ellich as well, No looks, no lefties. We're in a second.
[28:51] Speaker 1: I'm going to have to talk about tanties, particularly public
[28:54] Speaker 1: ones which are thrown by, among others, tennis players, and
[28:56] Speaker 1: whether we should see them or it should be a
[28:59] Speaker 1: little private, more in sect.
[29:05] Speaker 6: Well.
[29:05] Speaker 1: Always here to help is Lucy's Eelich on a Wednesday evening.
[29:09] Speaker 1: Lovely to see you, my beautiful friend, see you my
[29:11] Speaker 1: handsome friend. Now Stephen Connery is in other places helping out,
[29:14] Speaker 1: so it gives us an opportunity for nosooks, noness No
[29:18] Speaker 1: what is? Scott Eum is a bloke who's got a
[29:21] Speaker 1: fascinating career ran for the Libs in the Seat of
[29:24] Speaker 1: Ben along a fascinating podcast with him and Mark Boris
[29:27] Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about his life, but
[29:29] Speaker 1: on police to say he's in the man cave right now. Scott,
[29:30] Speaker 1: love you to see you, mate, pull goat to see you, mabe,
[29:32] Speaker 1: lovely to see you all right, So Scott and Lucy,
[29:35] Speaker 1: no doubt both of you paying attention today to inflation
[29:38] Speaker 1: going up, the inevitable consequences of normal people. But what
[29:42] Speaker 1: about that little story that just you know who cares?
[29:44] Speaker 1: It's the credit card. Spending is increased by fifty seven
[29:47] Speaker 1: billion dollars in the federal government, which means taxes keep
[29:52] Speaker 1: going up, spending goes up by more. The difference becomes
[29:55] Speaker 1: the deficit. That will be ten more of those into
[29:57] Speaker 1: generational reports says there'll still be deficits till twenty sixty.
[30:00] Speaker 1: So are trillion dollars of debt will at some point
[30:03] Speaker 1: become one and a half. Yet today, Jim Chalmers, Scott
[30:06] Speaker 1: not going to see you here. We're managing everything. It's
[30:07] Speaker 1: all okay. Why do people believe them?
[30:11] Speaker 13: Well, they're great at marketing.
[30:13] Speaker 1: Paul, Yeah.
[30:13] Speaker 13: I think this is the single biggest issue facing Australians
[30:16] Speaker 13: right now. What Australia is going through is a period
[30:19] Speaker 13: of deficits and growing debt thanks to a growing bureaucracy
[30:24] Speaker 13: stayed in federal and if we look at some of
[30:26] Speaker 13: those numbers as you were talking about, we're looking at
[30:29] Speaker 13: thirty six point eight billion dollars when it comes to
[30:32] Speaker 13: a budget deficit close to one trillion dollars worth of
[30:35] Speaker 13: debt for the first time in our country's history. And
[30:38] Speaker 13: many viewers out there and listeners will go, well, what
[30:40] Speaker 13: does that mean. It means that the government right now,
[30:43] Speaker 13: in interest payments alone a year is paying twenty six
[30:47] Speaker 13: billion dollars a year, a day seventy million dollars and
[30:51] Speaker 13: for the average taxpayer seventeen hundred dollars. And that's quite
[30:55] Speaker 13: unacceptable for young Australians, especially wanting to buy their own home.
[30:58] Speaker 1: But also Lucy, it's paying off the credit with another
[31:00] Speaker 1: credit card, right And obviously there's only two ways to
[31:05] Speaker 1: do it, which is your pullback what you spend or
[31:07] Speaker 1: you increase what the taxes are. The problem is is
[31:10] Speaker 1: that labor makes it so politically unpalatable to have any
[31:15] Speaker 1: conversation about a reduction in the size of government that
[31:18] Speaker 1: even a reduction over time about the number of public
[31:21] Speaker 1: servants in and around Canberra are Why, because labour builds
[31:25] Speaker 1: that triangle of dependence. Right, you work for it, you
[31:28] Speaker 1: get the welfare or there your biggest client. That is
[31:30] Speaker 1: about building permanent majority. That guess what also leads to
[31:35] Speaker 1: your country going broke of.
[31:36] Speaker 8: Course, the economy is tanking as it stands, and it's
[31:38] Speaker 8: not just the Labor Party that are invested in delivering
[31:42] Speaker 8: and developing this reliance on the government from its citizens.
[31:46] Speaker 8: It's the left side of politics, right, it's the socialist
[31:49] Speaker 8: it's that communist style where you need us and when
[31:52] Speaker 8: you need us then that means you're going to vote
[31:54] Speaker 8: for us. So this is the problem that we're in.
[31:57] Speaker 8: Whatever happens to the phrase, you know, we've turned a
[32:00] Speaker 8: corner that they championed and they said that things were
[32:03] Speaker 8: starting to look good and we finally started to get
[32:06] Speaker 8: to a very steady place within the economy, and the
[32:09] Speaker 8: consistent lying what has been delivered thus far, particularly with
[32:13] Speaker 8: this very shady attempt to hide this and bury it
[32:17] Speaker 8: in the budget analysis in December. What has been delivered
[32:20] Speaker 8: versus what was said during the election campaign are.
[32:23] Speaker 12: Two very different things.
[32:25] Speaker 8: You pose the question why have they been allowed to
[32:27] Speaker 8: get away with this because we have a falling apart,
[32:30] Speaker 8: totally disastrous right side.
[32:32] Speaker 12: Of government or former coalition whatever they are now. Whether
[32:36] Speaker 12: they'll get back together or not.
[32:37] Speaker 8: I mean we know that they have to, but it's
[32:39] Speaker 8: a shambles, and whether they are able to repair it is,
[32:42] Speaker 8: you know, another question for another day. But at the
[32:44] Speaker 8: same time, are they just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?
[32:48] Speaker 8: Who's left that's got a decent fabric of moral fiber
[32:51] Speaker 8: within them, But it's a shambles And unfortunately this is
[32:54] Speaker 8: the scenario that we're stuck with.
[32:56] Speaker 1: But also Scott again, I don't expect people to have
[32:59] Speaker 1: the time. People are smart enough fucking follow it. People
[33:01] Speaker 1: can follow it, right, but people don't have the time
[33:04] Speaker 1: to follow all of the nooks and crannies of the lies.
[33:08] Speaker 1: But they go into the last election saying, oh, here's
[33:11] Speaker 1: the power bill rebate right, seventy five bucks every three months,
[33:14] Speaker 1: which really twenty five bucks a month. It doesn't touch
[33:16] Speaker 1: the sides. But what it did do was help hide
[33:20] Speaker 1: half a percent of inflation growth. They get through the election,
[33:23] Speaker 1: they pull that out, surprise, surprise, it all starts to
[33:25] Speaker 1: go up.
[33:26] Speaker 8: But we knew that was going to happen, Paul, correct.
[33:28] Speaker 1: But one of the results of that deception is potentially
[33:32] Speaker 1: as early as the first week of February, interest rates
[33:35] Speaker 1: go up, meaning because of their lie, you will be
[33:38] Speaker 1: kicked in the backside on hundred percent.
[33:40] Speaker 13: Paul, and I think what you know, and we can't
[33:42] Speaker 13: blame the Australian people.
[33:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
[33:44] Speaker 13: And I think at the end of the day, can't
[33:46] Speaker 13: we know.
[33:48] Speaker 1: Scott wants a future. Well, we're voted by the Australian people.
[33:51] Speaker 1: So Lucy, you and I can hit hard, Scott will
[33:54] Speaker 1: just politely dance around. That will be the only Conroy
[33:57] Speaker 1: about it.
[33:57] Speaker 13: Well, I think what the Australian people need to understand
[34:00] Speaker 13: is that the current government is so much about wealth registribution. Yes,
[34:04] Speaker 13: I need to be thinking about wealth creation. It's not
[34:06] Speaker 13: just about robbing Peter to pay Paul and etc. It's
[34:09] Speaker 13: how can we support small businesses, It's how can we
[34:12] Speaker 13: support industries to thrive to grow. And we've got a
[34:15] Speaker 13: great opportunity to go into AI, to go into tech.
[34:18] Speaker 13: Mcquarie Park I know is in ben Along of course,
[34:20] Speaker 13: and there's a lot of opportunities. And in fact, small
[34:23] Speaker 13: businesses create a forty two percent of jobs in the
[34:26] Speaker 13: private sector.
[34:27] Speaker 8: That's what the Coalition used to stand for. Correct, That's
[34:29] Speaker 8: what the Liberal Party specifically we're about, is supporting small businesses, enterprise,
[34:35] Speaker 8: entrepreneurs like all of these things is what the Liberal Party.
[34:38] Speaker 2: Stand for exactly.
[34:39] Speaker 1: Well, and but welcome to our question here, which is
[34:42] Speaker 1: what we've all seen over the past couple of days,
[34:43] Speaker 1: which has been the Sky News pulse and again more
[34:47] Speaker 1: proof about one nation going up and through the roof. Now,
[34:50] Speaker 1: this is a really honest conversation which may make a
[34:52] Speaker 1: couple of people uncomfortable, but let's go there anyway. Right now,
[34:55] Speaker 1: we know that majority of people in every poll every
[34:58] Speaker 1: time tell us immigrations too high, they said, are too high,
[35:00] Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to the past couple of years.
[35:03] Speaker 1: We know that one of the big issues behind one
[35:05] Speaker 1: Nation is their clarity in and around this issue. But Scott,
[35:08] Speaker 1: one of the thorny things that I wanted to talk
[35:10] Speaker 1: to you about is that for the Coalition to get
[35:12] Speaker 1: anywhere near seventy six seats, to be able to defeat
[35:14] Speaker 1: the Labor Body and implement some more business policy and
[35:16] Speaker 1: all the rest of it, they presumably need to win
[35:19] Speaker 1: seats like Ben Alone formerly John Howard formally JA. It's
[35:25] Speaker 1: been liberal for a long period of time, but now
[35:27] Speaker 1: it has flowed very much away to a virtual safe
[35:30] Speaker 1: labor seat. And in part seven out of ten people
[35:33] Speaker 1: in John Howard's old seat have parents who are born
[35:35] Speaker 1: somewhere else. Now of course great mix of this, that
[35:37] Speaker 1: and the other. So when the Liberal Party of the
[35:40] Speaker 1: National Party are trying to work out their future and
[35:44] Speaker 1: their future of immigration and one day again I hope
[35:47] Speaker 1: you get the chance to run. But let's be honest,
[35:49] Speaker 1: when you're running in a place where seven out of
[35:50] Speaker 1: ten people have been born somewhere else, what do they
[35:53] Speaker 1: say to you about why they won't vote for you
[35:57] Speaker 1: if the subject of immigration comes up.
[35:59] Speaker 13: Well, I think they're very straightforward first and foremost most
[36:02] Speaker 13: of the voters have.
[36:03] Speaker 1: Been along anyway.
[36:04] Speaker 13: But I think it's important to never ever play identity politics.
[36:07] Speaker 13: I think what matters to an Australian, what matters to
[36:09] Speaker 13: a human being, matters that matter to everyone.
[36:12] Speaker 2: So whether it's the cost of.
[36:13] Speaker 13: Living, a strong economy, opportunities, when it comes to education
[36:16] Speaker 13: and health, they're talking about it in the same way
[36:19] Speaker 13: that someone who's born in Australia or parents born in Australia,
[36:22] Speaker 13: in the same way that they have migrant parents overseas.
[36:25] Speaker 1: So did they use the R word when talking about
[36:27] Speaker 1: the Libs at all?
[36:28] Speaker 6: Oh?
[36:28] Speaker 13: Look, that did come up, absolutely, And.
[36:31] Speaker 1: What would be examples of what they pointed to? Because
[36:34] Speaker 1: again people turn around and go well, if there's high
[36:36] Speaker 1: Chinese population, then they're talking about COVID and military potential,
[36:42] Speaker 1: military interventions. Is there anything other that gets served up well?
[36:46] Speaker 13: I think the general branding of the Liberal Party is
[36:49] Speaker 13: across voters right across ben Along and whether it's you know,
[36:51] Speaker 13: Chinese Australians in Eastwood or in Lane Cove, is that
[36:55] Speaker 13: we come across as a little bit old school, We
[36:58] Speaker 13: come across as a little bit mean, and I think
[37:00] Speaker 13: it's important, you know, for us to reflect on mistakes
[37:03] Speaker 13: how we can improve on the next federal election. And
[37:06] Speaker 13: it's only by reflecting we can improve well.
[37:08] Speaker 1: And looks this has been my whole thing post election, right,
[37:10] Speaker 1: which is that we automatically I enjoy your wins because
[37:13] Speaker 1: again you've got parents from somewhere else, You've got parents
[37:16] Speaker 1: from somewhere else.
[37:17] Speaker 8: It's just really hard listening to these conversations around. You know,
[37:20] Speaker 8: we don't want to get into identity politics where there
[37:24] Speaker 8: unfortunately we are there. Look at pockets of this state
[37:27] Speaker 8: and the demographics and from where the people are within
[37:30] Speaker 8: these demographics and these pockets of the state where they're from,
[37:34] Speaker 8: they're going to vote based on their identity.
[37:36] Speaker 1: We are there.
[37:38] Speaker 12: So when we say that.
[37:39] Speaker 8: Oh look, you know, it's going to be really hard
[37:40] Speaker 8: to try and straddle this, and I've got to try
[37:42] Speaker 8: and convince you that I'm not a racist. There is
[37:44] Speaker 8: nothing racist about saying, and I think this should be
[37:47] Speaker 8: made clear to everybody and all the voters out there,
[37:49] Speaker 8: there's nothing racist about saying that we need to tackle
[37:52] Speaker 8: immigration from a place of sensibility, not from a place
[37:55] Speaker 8: of bigotry, racism and fascism, et cetera.
[37:58] Speaker 1: Faust I want to faun meant.
[38:00] Speaker 8: That the Liberal Party has made anyone within the Liberal
[38:03] Speaker 8: Party or a coalition that they've made that is directly
[38:06] Speaker 8: racist about immigration.
[38:08] Speaker 1: Mind it for me, well, what gets pointed to is
[38:10] Speaker 1: the stuff like where strangers in their own country, right,
[38:13] Speaker 1: they're sort of as close to saying, remember when it
[38:16] Speaker 1: wasn't the way it is now. That's the suggestion in
[38:19] Speaker 1: and around My thing is is that again I don't
[38:23] Speaker 1: have the answer. And that's what's really uncomfortable, because in
[38:27] Speaker 1: part one of the reasons why people, you know, turn
[38:30] Speaker 1: to the person who's fired up on the telly other radio,
[38:32] Speaker 1: is because there's some certainty, give me some certainty in
[38:34] Speaker 1: an uncertain world. I'm not certain about how to deal
[38:37] Speaker 1: with this. But I'm also not going to pretend it
[38:39] Speaker 1: doesn't need to be dealt with now. I don't know
[38:41] Speaker 1: the maths that replaces been along with out of Western
[38:46] Speaker 1: Sydney or the central Coast of News. You know, there's
[38:49] Speaker 1: always somewhere else when you're looking at a map, but
[38:51] Speaker 1: in reality, what happens when and remember the poor thing
[38:56] Speaker 1: with these candidates is you've got a they don't pay
[38:59] Speaker 1: you to be a candid, it right, but you still
[39:00] Speaker 1: got to go to the opening of every single envelope
[39:04] Speaker 1: for you to sort of just get whack back whack back.
[39:06] Speaker 1: Whack back means that feedback has to go up the chain.
[39:10] Speaker 1: And in all this conversation about who leads it, what
[39:12] Speaker 1: do they lead, what do we stand for? What have
[39:14] Speaker 1: they done in the past twelve months, to listen to
[39:17] Speaker 1: people like Scott and again this is the first time
[39:19] Speaker 1: I physically met Scott right Otherwise, you know, I just
[39:22] Speaker 1: like the place of which you tried to represent. But
[39:25] Speaker 1: to me it was vital that when the Liberal Party
[39:27] Speaker 1: is working about what's next, let's hear from the people
[39:30] Speaker 1: who tried, who put their life on hold and what
[39:33] Speaker 1: they heard, because that's just as important as everyone else
[39:36] Speaker 1: who doesn't have the same skin in the game, right you.
[39:38] Speaker 13: One hundred percent, Paul. And when I speak to other
[39:40] Speaker 13: candidates in similar positions like me, they're telling me that
[39:43] Speaker 13: they just want unity. They want someone, whoever the leader is,
[39:46] Speaker 13: to unite behind that leader and to give them that opportunity.
[39:49] Speaker 13: And I think that that unity across the Liberal Party
[39:51] Speaker 13: and also the coalition is so so important. And speaking
[39:54] Speaker 13: of the coalition as well, I think people on the
[39:56] Speaker 13: conservative side of politics want us to be together. On
[40:00] Speaker 13: Howard and Sarah Robert.
[40:02] Speaker 1: Do you think they can get back together or Mum
[40:04] Speaker 1: or Dad has to leave? Because honestly, we've played this
[40:07] Speaker 1: game a little too many times this I I'm so
[40:09] Speaker 1: over it.
[40:10] Speaker 8: I just I've come into this year hoping for a
[40:12] Speaker 8: fresh start, for an opportunity now, particularly off the back
[40:16] Speaker 8: of December fourteen, feeling like maybe we were starting to
[40:19] Speaker 8: gain a bit of traction here, that is, the coalition
[40:22] Speaker 8: and the Conservative movement could actually looked towards a beacon
[40:25] Speaker 8: of light. And then, by some sheer miracle that has
[40:28] Speaker 8: been totally gifted to the left side of politics and
[40:31] Speaker 8: the Albanese government, we've landed in a place where now
[40:34] Speaker 8: they are the villains and you don't know who's Arthur
[40:38] Speaker 8: or Martha. But I think there's no way. We already
[40:40] Speaker 8: know this. There's no way from a numbers perspective, they're
[40:42] Speaker 8: going to be able to succeed unless they get back together.
[40:45] Speaker 8: But I think Mum and.
[40:46] Speaker 12: Dad have to go.
[40:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, I to be honest, don't disagree. And I think
[40:50] Speaker 1: it's not a three year conversation. It's a six year conversation,
[40:52] Speaker 1: and that in and of itself becomes difficult when again,
[40:54] Speaker 1: put your life on hold for the chance to come.
[40:56] Speaker 1: Second is a.
[40:57] Speaker 12: Deck chairs on the Titanic.
[40:58] Speaker 1: Oh, I love it more in a sec Thank you
[40:59] Speaker 1: very much, Thank you Scott, Love you Lewis. We'll see
[41:01] Speaker 1: you again very very soon or right quick break back
[41:03] Speaker 1: the more. Meghan Kelly joins us from the US next.
[41:08] Speaker 1: You know, our favorite time of the week to talk
[41:14] Speaker 1: to our favorite person in the world, nonether than wonderful.
[41:15] Speaker 1: Megan Kelly joining us now from the United States, where
[41:17] Speaker 1: I think it's still minus four hundred and twenty. How
[41:20] Speaker 1: have you gone in the blizzard conditions of the past
[41:22] Speaker 1: couple of days?
[41:23] Speaker 9: It is so called and there is a fresh two
[41:26] Speaker 9: feet of snow out there, but having grown up in Syracuse,
[41:29] Speaker 9: New York, we just refer to this as winter.
[41:32] Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about the obvious here, which is the
[41:34] Speaker 1: shooting of this bloke in Minnesota. Now, to me, it
[41:39] Speaker 1: seems pretty obvious that once somebody is down and theoretically
[41:44] Speaker 1: the gun goes, then the danger falls. However, why does
[41:49] Speaker 1: he have the loaded gun with the two magazines. He
[41:52] Speaker 1: has a history of getting right up in the face.
[41:55] Speaker 1: I heard your show today, where previously he had had
[41:59] Speaker 1: plenty of physical confrontations with us. He was part of
[42:03] Speaker 1: a movement which is about trying to not just protest,
[42:06] Speaker 1: but destabilize them. So again, the president seems to now
[42:13] Speaker 1: be in the position of let's have a look at this.
[42:16] Speaker 1: Where are you?
[42:18] Speaker 9: I'm one hundred percent on the side of border patrol.
[42:22] Speaker 9: I don't think I think it was a clean shoot.
[42:24] Speaker 9: I don't think it was something they would do again
[42:27] Speaker 9: if they had it to do over. I think it
[42:29] Speaker 9: was an erroneous defense of others, which is a legitimate
[42:32] Speaker 9: defense under the law to any sort of murder, acclaim
[42:36] Speaker 9: or whatever these leftists are hurling at them. In other words,
[42:39] Speaker 9: he had an altercation with them. He got in the
[42:41] Speaker 9: middle of a law enforcement operation inserted himself. It wasn't
[42:44] Speaker 9: the first time he had a confrontation with cops, with
[42:47] Speaker 9: law enforcement enforcing the border about a week ago, five
[42:51] Speaker 9: immigration enforcement assistants or officers back then, and he broke
[42:56] Speaker 9: a rib. So aggressive was he in interacting with So
[43:00] Speaker 9: he learned or should have that you don't do that.
[43:03] Speaker 9: You and I know this just by sitting at our desks.
[43:05] Speaker 9: Anybody with common sense knows you don't put yourself in
[43:07] Speaker 9: between any sort of law enforcement officer and the target
[43:10] Speaker 9: of their arrest or their interest, or you're taking your
[43:12] Speaker 9: own life in your hands, which is exactly what he did.
[43:14] Speaker 9: And now he did it again, which was very, very,
[43:17] Speaker 9: very stupid, and especially when you know you're carrying, because
[43:21] Speaker 9: if the officer finds the gun, then his reasonable fear
[43:24] Speaker 9: of you is going to.
[43:25] Speaker 12: Go up, which is bad.
[43:26] Speaker 9: That's powder keg not to say that you can shoot
[43:28] Speaker 9: any armed citizen because we have a second Amendment here,
[43:31] Speaker 9: but if you're going out there knowing you're going to
[43:34] Speaker 9: interfere with law enforcement and you're carrying, you really are
[43:38] Speaker 9: playing with fire because their reasonable fear for their safety
[43:43] Speaker 9: under the law is grounds for them to potentially shoot
[43:46] Speaker 9: you if you have an altercation, and they did have one.
[43:49] Speaker 9: Unfortunately for this guy, he had one. He inserted himself again,
[43:53] Speaker 9: he put hands on the law enforcement officer, which is
[43:55] Speaker 9: considered an assault. It's a felony under our laws. Then
[43:59] Speaker 9: they went to arrest him. Then he resisted arrest, which
[44:01] Speaker 9: was very, very stupid. All the cops zeroed in on him.
[44:06] Speaker 9: Border patrol.
[44:07] Speaker 12: They are law enforcement officers, and you.
[44:09] Speaker 9: Heard somebody else gun, gun, gun, which is what they
[44:12] Speaker 9: do when they spot a purp with a gun on him.
[44:15] Speaker 9: And what appears to have happened, though the investigation is underway,
[44:17] Speaker 9: is one of the officers removed the gun from the
[44:20] Speaker 9: back of his pants and it either went off or
[44:24] Speaker 9: it didn't. It's unclear where that first shot happened, but
[44:27] Speaker 9: it's kind of irrelevant. Clearly, the other officers misunderstood that
[44:33] Speaker 9: the guy had the gun and fired it, and then
[44:35] Speaker 9: they fired.
[44:36] Speaker 12: Now, they don't just run around murdering people.
[44:37] Speaker 9: Notwithstanding with these loons on the left say they obviously
[44:41] Speaker 9: thought that they were defending themselves or others. They heard gun, gun, gun,
[44:44] Speaker 9: and it looked like that guy's gun. Now in the
[44:46] Speaker 9: hands of the law enforcement officer who was walking away.
[44:49] Speaker 9: It looked like it fired, and apparently it's been known
[44:53] Speaker 9: to fire spontaneously, this particular weapon, So it's possible that
[44:56] Speaker 9: that's what happened. Is possible that the cop inadvertently fired it.
[44:59] Speaker 12: We don't know.
[45:00] Speaker 9: But you do not hear, you not see a single
[45:04] Speaker 9: Border patrol officer fire their gun or even pull their
[45:08] Speaker 9: gun out until you hear the ones say gun, gun, gun.
[45:11] Speaker 12: So they were not looking to shoot this man.
[45:13] Speaker 1: They were scared.
[45:14] Speaker 9: They thought he was going to shoot them, and it
[45:16] Speaker 9: appears to have been erroneous, but that does not vitiate
[45:20] Speaker 9: their self defense claim, which only requires them to be
[45:23] Speaker 9: in reasonable fear for their own safety and being told gun, gun, gun,
[45:27] Speaker 9: and then hearing a gun go off will do it
[45:28] Speaker 9: ten times out of ten.
[45:30] Speaker 1: So important for all of the detail, because again these
[45:34] Speaker 1: matters automatically everyone off to their corners. Everyone's screaming from
[45:38] Speaker 1: their corners. I mean, the absolute reality here is is
[45:42] Speaker 1: that if you believe some people who've already been at
[45:45] Speaker 1: eleven about you know, the totalitarian stode the authority, they
[45:49] Speaker 1: want to carry on as if this was some sort
[45:51] Speaker 1: of you know, gang killing, right like a saying from
[45:53] Speaker 1: that movie American History EXCEP. Somebody's put the telling it
[45:57] Speaker 1: a murder. Yeah, and you're going now, there is you know,
[46:01] Speaker 1: split second decisions made by people who are on the ground.
[46:05] Speaker 1: That's not the president, that's not the governor, it's not
[46:07] Speaker 1: the police chief, it's not ours. So the idea that
[46:11] Speaker 1: people automatically that momentary decision justified or otherwise then instantly
[46:18] Speaker 1: becomes proof about the Trump administration. And this is the
[46:22] Speaker 1: problem for the left. They have been at eleven for
[46:25] Speaker 1: ten years. They have got nowhere else to go. And
[46:29] Speaker 1: even if the wolf turns up, they've been crying wolf
[46:33] Speaker 1: for too long that no one believes.
[46:35] Speaker 9: Them, I mean no one on our side, the side
[46:39] Speaker 9: of sanity. But unfortunately their lies are working because President
[46:43] Speaker 9: Trump's numbers on immigration enforcement are going down precipitously. So
[46:47] Speaker 9: what's happening now is that these leftists are have dialed
[46:50] Speaker 9: up to eleven. They lie, I mean just lie through
[46:53] Speaker 9: their teeth. Today we played a clip of Woopy Goldberg
[46:56] Speaker 9: on the View saying they just shot a man.
[46:58] Speaker 12: He just was holding his phone, bottle of water and
[47:00] Speaker 12: they shot him ten times.
[47:02] Speaker 1: They murdered a man.
[47:04] Speaker 14: He is standing, he has his phone, and he has
[47:07] Speaker 14: a bottle of water and they shot him ten times.
[47:12] Speaker 14: What I don't know what you're investigating. If you're not
[47:18] Speaker 14: investigating the straight up murder.
[47:21] Speaker 9: What a lie. They weren't bothering him, They wanted nothing
[47:24] Speaker 9: to do with him. He was a known ice agitator.
[47:27] Speaker 9: His family had been worried about his ice agitation, saying
[47:30] Speaker 9: don't get in between anything, and he did it, not once,
[47:33] Speaker 9: but twice, both times with five officers getting all over him.
[47:36] Speaker 12: He had his little phone. He clearly wanted to.
[47:38] Speaker 9: Get a viral video and he and he got it
[47:41] Speaker 9: at his own at his own risk.
[47:43] Speaker 12: Of his own life, and ultimately it cost him his life.
[47:46] Speaker 1: We love you, Megan. You can say h in every
[47:48] Speaker 1: way here on pul Mari line more in a Moment's
[47:51] Speaker 1: tom about five minutes away from the light to bate
[47:53] Speaker 1: James McPherson, he is the ivaton man at the moment
[47:56] Speaker 1: and he's great every time we say on tabe, all right,
[48:02] Speaker 1: well I made a mess of that, didn't I Here?
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