# Paul Murray Live | 9 December

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 9 Dec 2025, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/8d4a45a8-ad61-484f-bd64-b3ae00c7efb9/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

Labor Senator Graham Richardson honoured at state funeral, Michele Bullock warns future hikes are possible. Plus, experts warn of wild fire season. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Hello Australia, thank you so much for watching. Come on
[0:08] Speaker 1: into the man cave. Lots of work to do tonight.
[0:11] Speaker 2: Jeez, didn't we predict what was going to happen when
[0:14] Speaker 2: it came to the news Today.
[0:15] Speaker 1: We've also got a chat with the one of the
[0:17] Speaker 1: Nigel Farage.
[0:17] Speaker 2: But first Victoria well It just said sorry again. And
[0:21] Speaker 2: there is a one hundred million dollar sting in the tale.
[0:25] Speaker 2: I'll explain in a moment or two. Time Annika Wells
[0:28] Speaker 2: thinks she's.
[0:28] Speaker 1: Got out of political jail free card.
[0:32] Speaker 2: I told you she'd play it. I'll explain what happens next.
[0:34] Speaker 2: And the great Nigel Farrage, as I mentioned, only place
[0:36] Speaker 2: you'll see when was he telling each and every week
[0:38] Speaker 2: here on Paul Murray.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Live on a Tuesday night.
[0:42] Speaker 2: Now, today was a very big day because it was
[0:45] Speaker 2: the last chance to say goodbye to our old mate Richard.
[0:49] Speaker 2: I was lucky enough and privileged enough to be there
[0:52] Speaker 2: for the state funeral of Graham Frederick Richardson, of course,
[0:57] Speaker 2: the father of Darcy, husband to Amanda and friend to
[1:03] Speaker 2: Prime ministers. Footy players, comedians and.
[1:06] Speaker 1: All types of people.
[1:09] Speaker 2: Obviously, A couple of weeks ago is when we lost
[1:12] Speaker 2: rich O, and at the time I did pop on
[1:14] Speaker 2: and offer a couple of words of tribute, and they
[1:17] Speaker 2: were heartfelt at the time, but as you know, I
[1:21] Speaker 2: was also processing another very close friend who had died,
[1:25] Speaker 2: and I was in New Zealand, and our focus was that,
[1:27] Speaker 2: And it's been really difficult trying to work out the
[1:31] Speaker 2: form of words to talk about a mate, a normal
[1:34] Speaker 2: human being with all of the ups and all of
[1:36] Speaker 2: the downs, but a bloke who was intensely loyal to
[1:40] Speaker 2: where I work and to what I do. As you know,
[1:44] Speaker 2: we celebrated fifteen years on the air a couple of
[1:47] Speaker 2: weeks ago. Well that's how long. Richo has also been
[1:50] Speaker 2: in and around Sky News. In the early days of
[1:52] Speaker 2: Poor Murray Live Monday Nights with him, Ross Cameronge and
[1:55] Speaker 2: e Perrot were pretty regular must see TV. In the
[2:00] Speaker 2: years that followed, we had many an opportunity to talk
[2:04] Speaker 2: on the air, But most importantly, again I reflect on
[2:07] Speaker 2: the time off the air when you dream of doing
[2:12] Speaker 2: a job like this, that comes after you have watched
[2:16] Speaker 2: an awful lot of politics and been fascinated by some
[2:19] Speaker 2: of the biggest characters that are in it before you
[2:21] Speaker 2: even start to work out, Hey, maybe there's a chance
[2:24] Speaker 2: I could sit on the sidelines and pass observation. Well,
[2:29] Speaker 2: obviously one of those people when I was just in
[2:31] Speaker 2: primary school was Richo, not just in his political life,
[2:35] Speaker 2: but in his post political life, his time with Kerry Packer,
[2:37] Speaker 2: his time on the election night coverages of nine and seven,
[2:42] Speaker 2: and then ultimately here at Sky and you could never
[2:47] Speaker 2: dream of being able to meet a person like Richo.
[2:51] Speaker 2: But then I got the chance to meet Richo. And
[2:54] Speaker 2: always say, you know, never ne ye heroes never meet
[2:56] Speaker 2: the people that you look up to. Well, this was
[2:58] Speaker 2: a boke who opened the door as much, which for
[3:00] Speaker 2: me as I went knocking on the door to go
[3:03] Speaker 2: and see him. He's a blocou yes, because of relationships,
[3:08] Speaker 2: makes very fast friends, but he makes pretty loyal ones too,
[3:11] Speaker 2: ones that look out for each other in times that
[3:13] Speaker 2: are good and bad. I remember spending a week with
[3:17] Speaker 2: Richo and Amanda when they were in Townsville. I wanted
[3:21] Speaker 2: to see the supercars. He hated motor racing, but we
[3:24] Speaker 2: had the chance to spend a few days together talking
[3:26] Speaker 2: about issues big and small. I loved hearing his stories
[3:30] Speaker 2: about the world the way that it used to work,
[3:32] Speaker 2: and we often would agree on the way that it
[3:34] Speaker 2: should work into the future. He thought I was a
[3:37] Speaker 2: little too right wing in these past few years, but
[3:41] Speaker 2: he's always been somebody who gave incredible insight about Australian politics.
[3:46] Speaker 2: And today was that opportunity to say goodbye. And because
[3:49] Speaker 2: a lot of people working during the day, busy during
[3:52] Speaker 2: the day, you may have seen little snippets here and there,
[3:54] Speaker 2: but I wanted just to show you some of the
[3:56] Speaker 2: stuff that was said, including by the people who like myself.
[4:00] Speaker 2: At the church today for the state.
[4:02] Speaker 3: Funeral, when someone was in trouble because I'd done something
[4:07] Speaker 3: they maybe shouldn't have done, Richard was the first on
[4:10] Speaker 3: the phone to help them find a pathway.
[4:12] Speaker 4: I knew him as a man with a big heart
[4:14] Speaker 4: as well as obviously a powerbroker and played his politics
[4:17] Speaker 4: very hard, but he had a huge heart and he
[4:19] Speaker 4: did a.
[4:19] Speaker 5: Lot of great things for people that were in need.
[4:21] Speaker 6: It's a sad day today, but also to a big
[4:23] Speaker 6: celebration of his life as well, a life very well lived.
[4:27] Speaker 5: He was larger than life.
[4:29] Speaker 4: Look you pay footing on the football paddic you don't
[4:32] Speaker 4: play it in the change room, and rich I knew
[4:34] Speaker 4: when you're in the corridor off the paddock that he
[4:38] Speaker 4: was going to be sort of very, sort of friendly
[4:40] Speaker 4: and engaging.
[4:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. There was an opportunity for quite
[4:44] Speaker 2: a few people to give us lots of little insights
[4:46] Speaker 2: about the man who we knew via television or knew
[4:50] Speaker 2: through reputation, but also some private insights as well. The
[4:55] Speaker 2: Prime Minister delivered the eulogy to his dear friend or
[4:58] Speaker 2: a member of the time after rich I had had
[4:59] Speaker 2: his most significant surgery the best part of ten years ago,
[5:03] Speaker 2: that Anthony Aberanezi was so often by his bedside, And
[5:07] Speaker 2: of course that loyalty to each other is not just
[5:10] Speaker 2: one that was built out of the labor party, but
[5:12] Speaker 2: clearly a genuine personal friendship as well.
[5:15] Speaker 5: He was a.
[5:16] Speaker 7: Master of forging unlikely friendships. He transcended tribalism to become
[5:22] Speaker 7: something bigger than a labor legend. Richer knew everyone, and
[5:29] Speaker 7: everyone knew Richer. He was as comfortable in the circles
[5:33] Speaker 7: of the powerful, the famous, and the wealthy as he
[5:36] Speaker 7: was in the front bar. That was the thing about Richer.
[5:41] Speaker 7: He could talk to anyone and importantly listen to anyone as.
[5:47] Speaker 2: Well to show the breadth of his personal influence, not
[5:52] Speaker 2: just political power. Tony Abbott, a man who of course
[5:56] Speaker 2: stood in the way of the Labor Party and of
[5:58] Speaker 2: course successfully was able to fight hard at the twenty
[6:02] Speaker 2: ten and then very successfully win the twenty thirteen election.
[6:05] Speaker 2: In the many years since, their friendship continued, and Tony
[6:08] Speaker 2: Abbott spoke brilliantly today. If like me, you're somebody who
[6:12] Speaker 2: thinks this is the type of prime minister that we
[6:14] Speaker 2: should still be having in the country, you'd be very
[6:17] Speaker 2: proud of Tony Abbott today. He was fabulous.
[6:20] Speaker 8: It's a thrill to add a bipartisan note to this
[6:26] Speaker 8: tribute to our late friend and this great gathering of
[6:30] Speaker 8: the political trials. After all, there is only one New
[6:36] Speaker 8: South Wales right. Most of it is in the Labor Party,
[6:40] Speaker 8: but some of it is also in the Liberal Party.
[6:43] Speaker 1: Two.
[6:44] Speaker 8: My first sense of Graham was through his book the
[6:48] Speaker 8: aforementioned Whatever It Takes.
[6:51] Speaker 1: In it, he wrote, something.
[6:53] Speaker 8: Happens to the men we make prime minister a few
[6:57] Speaker 8: years in the job, and they change, always for the worse,
[7:03] Speaker 8: always increasingly, Sir Anthony, there is something to be said
[7:07] Speaker 8: for only having two years on top.
[7:12] Speaker 2: Our boss and friend here at Sky News is Paul Whittaker,
[7:15] Speaker 2: and he worked closely with Richo of course as being
[7:18] Speaker 2: a key part of what we do in and around politics.
[7:21] Speaker 2: And it's not just federal elections at state elections, and
[7:23] Speaker 2: it's every week in between. And he tells a story
[7:26] Speaker 2: that I remember seeing with my own eyes, which was
[7:29] Speaker 2: just shortly after his major operation in twenty sixteen, he
[7:33] Speaker 2: found a way to get on Telly on election night.
[7:37] Speaker 9: His passion for the network and his dogar determination was
[7:41] Speaker 9: never more evident than an election night in twenty sixteen,
[7:45] Speaker 9: less than three months after his infamous eighteen or twenty
[7:49] Speaker 9: hour marathon surgery, during which Graham's heart stopped three times
[7:54] Speaker 9: on the operating table, he made a remarkable comeback to
[7:57] Speaker 9: appear on Sky's Election Night cover. While his recovery meant
[8:02] Speaker 9: he couldn't appear on the panel as he usually did,
[8:05] Speaker 9: he was wheeled into our newsroom so Sky's then political
[8:09] Speaker 9: letter to David Spears could break away from the set
[8:12] Speaker 9: and walk over to Richo for his analysis throughout that
[8:15] Speaker 9: long election evening, while he was confined to a wheelchair
[8:19] Speaker 9: physically mentally, he was sharper than ever, correctly calling it
[8:24] Speaker 9: earlier that Bill Shorten wouldn't win, but predicting that it
[8:28] Speaker 9: would be very close. That of course proved to be
[8:32] Speaker 9: spot on, with the Coalition clinging on to one seat majority.
[8:36] Speaker 9: No matter what state of health he was in, Richo
[8:39] Speaker 9: was always determined to be on our screens and contributing
[8:42] Speaker 9: to our coverage. He would often say, why would I
[8:45] Speaker 9: want to work anywhere else?
[8:47] Speaker 1: I love Sky News and he did absolutely. He was
[8:51] Speaker 1: so proud of this joint.
[8:53] Speaker 2: He was so thankful to how often you watched him
[8:56] Speaker 2: being hosting, co hosting, guesting, hearing in all of the
[9:01] Speaker 2: different forms that he has been on this network for
[9:03] Speaker 2: a long period of time. There were other incredible stories
[9:07] Speaker 2: that came from family members about the very early days
[9:11] Speaker 2: in pretty meager circumstances in his life. There were mate
[9:15] Speaker 2: who talked about great golf trips and then there was
[9:19] Speaker 2: his again post politics triumph which was being part of
[9:23] Speaker 2: the Australian Olympic movement. He gave key advice about how
[9:27] Speaker 2: we should lobby and eventually how you get the numbers
[9:31] Speaker 2: and Sydney did win those games in two thousand, beat
[9:34] Speaker 2: in Beijing by just two votes. But also he got
[9:38] Speaker 2: the opportunity to serve in a role which I always
[9:40] Speaker 2: asked him about constantly in the many years afterwards, which
[9:44] Speaker 2: was when he was the mayor of the Olympic Village.
[9:47] Speaker 2: My question would often be which ones were the most randy?
[9:50] Speaker 2: He had an answer, but let's keep it above board here.
[9:56] Speaker 10: I did not want the usual ceremonial type point of
[10:00] Speaker 10: someone to welcome the teams and the heads of state
[10:04] Speaker 10: and government. I wanted a fixer, someone capable of chairing
[10:10] Speaker 10: the daily early morning meetings of the one hundred and
[10:13] Speaker 10: eighty or so chef's to missions and quickly solving their
[10:18] Speaker 10: issues ranging from village dining room food to transport to
[10:22] Speaker 10: their venues. Graham was the perfect fit. When we were
[10:29] Speaker 10: reunited at the table of Her Excellency the New South
[10:33] Speaker 10: Wales Government with Michael Knight and other signior organizers on
[10:39] Speaker 10: the Olympic Stadium field at the recent twenty five year
[10:43] Speaker 10: anniversary of the Sydney Olympics, Graham lent across Amanda and
[10:47] Speaker 10: said to me the Games were the most enjoyable thing
[10:51] Speaker 10: I have ever.
[10:52] Speaker 1: Been involved in in my life.
[10:56] Speaker 2: That's a huge thing for him to say for a
[10:57] Speaker 2: bloke who of course had hung around so many other
[11:00] Speaker 2: incredible people and lived such a big and yes at
[11:03] Speaker 2: times controversial life. But in the end, all that has
[11:07] Speaker 2: left his family. It doesn't matter how Titanica figure that
[11:12] Speaker 2: you are. It doesn't matter how many prime ministers, foreign
[11:14] Speaker 2: prime ministers, future prime ministers want to be prime ministers
[11:19] Speaker 2: that you know. In the end, it is just family
[11:22] Speaker 2: and something that I certainly saw up close in that
[11:26] Speaker 2: time in Townsville, but also saw every time he came
[11:31] Speaker 2: in and out of our studios, was about how physically
[11:33] Speaker 2: difficult time had come. And that was the case over
[11:36] Speaker 2: many years, and it's no secret, but he never hid it.
[11:40] Speaker 2: He was open about what was happening to him, and
[11:42] Speaker 2: he was open about how he felt. And again, no
[11:47] Speaker 2: matter the grand stage an audience, that it was a
[11:50] Speaker 2: privilege to be part of it. More importantly, just reflected
[11:53] Speaker 2: the absolute legendary status of our mate. There was that
[11:59] Speaker 2: tradition and all honesty about what it was like to
[12:04] Speaker 2: be Graham Richardson and what it physically was like to
[12:07] Speaker 2: be Graham Richardson. Right towards the very end. Amanda, his wife,
[12:12] Speaker 2: said this in the service.
[12:14] Speaker 11: Tonight when Graham passed away. He was sitting there across
[12:18] Speaker 11: from me and he leant forward and he said, I'm
[12:20] Speaker 11: not ready to go yet, and I said I know,
[12:24] Speaker 11: and he said it's not my time, and I said
[12:26] Speaker 11: I know what. It was his time. And he was
[12:28] Speaker 11: really cranky that he had to go.
[12:32] Speaker 1: So you know, that's great, true, very true.
[12:38] Speaker 2: A couple of other people saying, it's just be curious,
[12:40] Speaker 2: firstly that he wasn't there, but that he's not going
[12:42] Speaker 2: to be around. But yeah, again, a man who has
[12:45] Speaker 2: lived such a life and again, like all of us,
[12:48] Speaker 2: towards the end, no want to take that next big step.
[12:52] Speaker 2: Without doubt, his proudest achievement is that of being Darcy's father.
[12:57] Speaker 1: And I thought I'd leave the final word.
[12:58] Speaker 2: To him, because there's a bit of a story which
[13:03] Speaker 2: has taken over austrating politics for the best part of
[13:06] Speaker 2: thirty years, and that was that whatever it takes was
[13:09] Speaker 2: the title Richo wanted.
[13:10] Speaker 1: For his book. But he also talks about.
[13:13] Speaker 2: What that meant to him as a son, and it
[13:16] Speaker 2: stands out as advice to all of us, whether we
[13:18] Speaker 2: are sons, daughters, mothers, or fathers.
[13:23] Speaker 12: Dad once confided in me that he did not come
[13:25] Speaker 12: up with the famous title Whatever it Takes. In fact,
[13:27] Speaker 12: he originally thought of calling the book simply rich O
[13:30] Speaker 12: Life and Times, but the publishing company suggested whatever it
[13:33] Speaker 12: takes because they thought it would sell more books. But
[13:38] Speaker 12: for me, whatever it takes meant something else. It meant
[13:41] Speaker 12: Dad climbing two flights of steep stairs to attend the
[13:44] Speaker 12: father son graduation dinner earlier this year, a feat which
[13:47] Speaker 12: I later learned had him throwing up in the bathroom
[13:49] Speaker 12: once he reached the top of the steep climb, but
[13:51] Speaker 12: despite feeling exhausted, he stayed for the whole night. Whatever
[13:54] Speaker 12: it takes meant checking himself out of the intensive care
[13:57] Speaker 12: unit to come and watch me collect a fairly trivial
[13:59] Speaker 12: Excellence award when I was you through. And whatever it
[14:01] Speaker 12: takes most of all meant showing up, no matter how sick,
[14:05] Speaker 12: how frail, Dad made the effort to be there for me.
[14:07] Speaker 12: I know Dad knew what it felt like to lose
[14:09] Speaker 12: his parents at an early age. In her speech in Parliament,
[14:13] Speaker 12: Michelle Rowland quoted Dad's longtime staff at David d Tina,
[14:15] Speaker 12: who we've heard from today, about what I think his
[14:17] Speaker 12: Dad's greatest principle always showing up. In the past few
[14:21] Speaker 12: weeks have taught me a similar lesson. Family is about
[14:24] Speaker 12: showing up.
[14:26] Speaker 2: It is so to Darcy, to Amanda, to other family,
[14:31] Speaker 2: to mates that are near and far. Thank you for
[14:34] Speaker 2: spending time with us, Richo, Thank you for giving us
[14:37] Speaker 2: so much of your knowledge. Thank you for lending us
[14:40] Speaker 2: your talents, teaching us what to do and sometimes not
[14:44] Speaker 2: to do, but more importantly making our country a better place.
[14:47] Speaker 2: Will forever miss you in these halls, and we thank
[14:51] Speaker 2: him from the bottom of our hearts. In other news today,
[14:58] Speaker 2: you may have noticed that there is going to be
[15:00] Speaker 2: no change when it comes to interest rates, meaning the
[15:03] Speaker 2: purple python that is still squeezing the average Australian household
[15:07] Speaker 2: will continue to do so all the way over summer.
[15:10] Speaker 13: There's no surprise the Reserve Bank, keeping Australia's official cash
[15:14] Speaker 13: rate on hold.
[15:15] Speaker 14: Interest rates have as most people have expected, been left
[15:18] Speaker 14: on hold.
[15:19] Speaker 11: No rate relief before Christmas.
[15:21] Speaker 13: The Reserve Bank has kept interest rates on.
[15:23] Speaker 2: Hole, and as has been predicted, the chances of any
[15:28] Speaker 2: drop anytime soon well is now out the window. Why
[15:31] Speaker 2: because inflation is out of control. It'll get worse. Of course,
[15:34] Speaker 2: when inflation continues to rise after the power price electoral
[15:39] Speaker 2: bribe disappears.
[15:44] Speaker 13: Headline inflation is very much swung around by the on
[15:47] Speaker 13: and off of the electricity rebates, and we're not expecting
[15:50] Speaker 13: headline inflation to come back down below three for another
[15:54] Speaker 13: twelve months, effectively.
[15:59] Speaker 2: So again confirming from the Reserve Bank governor there that
[16:02] Speaker 2: inflation is the problem, which is why no chance of
[16:05] Speaker 2: a drop in rates anytime soon. In fact, most likely
[16:08] Speaker 2: something quite the opposite. Here is Michelle Bullock on that issue.
[16:13] Speaker 13: We didn't consider the case for a rate cut at all.
[16:17] Speaker 13: We didn't explicitly consider the case for a rate rise
[16:20] Speaker 13: at this meeting, but we did consider and discuss quite
[16:24] Speaker 13: a lot the circumstances and what might need to happen
[16:29] Speaker 13: if we would decide that interest rates had to rise
[16:33] Speaker 13: again at some point next years.
[16:36] Speaker 2: Everyone paying attention, remember how we turn the corner. Everything
[16:39] Speaker 2: is awesome. Well, despite the fact that the Reserve Bank
[16:42] Speaker 2: governor is basically saying, forget about the down. Up is
[16:45] Speaker 2: the next one, and it'll happen sometime next year, several
[16:48] Speaker 2: banks are predicting it won't be one, it'll be more
[16:50] Speaker 2: than one. Why because inflation is going to start to
[16:52] Speaker 2: get out of control.
[16:53] Speaker 1: Again. Now we know why. In part it's government spending.
[16:56] Speaker 2: In part it's because they artificially fiddled the indices. They
[17:01] Speaker 2: weren't cooking the books. They just were, of course, putting
[17:03] Speaker 2: those billions of dollars onto those power price bribes to
[17:06] Speaker 2: try to bring inflation down by about half of one percent.
[17:09] Speaker 2: They go as well as the overall increases when it
[17:12] Speaker 2: comes to electricity.
[17:14] Speaker 1: This thing's going to keep going.
[17:16] Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers, of course, who wanted a gold star when
[17:18] Speaker 2: everythings go down, Well, he's still wanting a gold star
[17:21] Speaker 2: fur than not going up yet.
[17:24] Speaker 6: The story of our economy in twenty twenty five has
[17:27] Speaker 6: been the very welcome, very encouraging recovery in the private sector.
[17:31] Speaker 6: Business investment is growing very strongly. Housing investment recovering as well.
[17:36] Speaker 1: We've had four.
[17:37] Speaker 6: Consecutive quarters of productivity growth. All of those things are
[17:41] Speaker 6: good developments.
[17:43] Speaker 2: Now when following matters to do with interest rates, finances,
[17:45] Speaker 2: all the rest of it, yeah, lots of numbers, sometimes
[17:47] Speaker 2: a bit of a yawn. Thank goodness for the way
[17:49] Speaker 2: SBS News describes this, because they show all the way
[17:54] Speaker 2: from the basically four fifthed bugger rule in twenty twenty two,
[17:58] Speaker 2: all the way up seen of them, remember a.
[18:01] Speaker 1: Couple of steps down.
[18:03] Speaker 2: But we are basically at the same pressure when it
[18:06] Speaker 2: comes to interest rates as we were some wealy between
[18:10] Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and twenty three.
[18:13] Speaker 1: All of that an awful lot of pain.
[18:16] Speaker 2: Meaning the third of the country that's trying to pay
[18:18] Speaker 2: off their mortgages right now, they are under just as
[18:21] Speaker 2: much pressure as they have ever been, perhaps not as
[18:24] Speaker 2: high as the absolute tippy top. But you can see
[18:27] Speaker 2: there is a very very long road ahead.
[18:30] Speaker 1: But who cares, right they got re elected.
[18:35] Speaker 2: We learned today of the name of the fifty nine
[18:38] Speaker 2: year old firefighter who died trying to save other members
[18:42] Speaker 2: of the firefighting forces. John Loewen is his name, and
[18:46] Speaker 2: this is a little about the information and statement from
[18:49] Speaker 2: his family via Channel nine tonight.
[18:53] Speaker 15: A tribute tonight for the firefighter who lost his life
[18:56] Speaker 15: while trying to protect the lives of others at Bulladella,
[18:59] Speaker 15: north of Newcastle. Fifty nine year old John Loewen was
[19:02] Speaker 15: struck by a tree on Sunday night. He'd been a
[19:05] Speaker 15: volunteer for the National Parks and Wildlife Service for more
[19:08] Speaker 15: than thirty years. His family has released a statement saying
[19:12] Speaker 15: John was a great father, loving brother and wonderful friend
[19:16] Speaker 15: to everyone who knew him.
[19:19] Speaker 2: There was another fire, not as significant as the ones
[19:22] Speaker 2: that have obviously taken property and lives. But I mentioned this,
[19:25] Speaker 2: and I know it's a national show and it is
[19:27] Speaker 2: always a little easy to focus in on one city
[19:30] Speaker 2: and one city's problems, but as constantly there are a
[19:33] Speaker 2: lot of people who are desperate for the fire season
[19:36] Speaker 2: to prove their views when it comes to climate change.
[19:38] Speaker 2: A reminder of every now and then that some of
[19:40] Speaker 2: these things are not the way they seen, certainly when
[19:43] Speaker 2: it starts. This was a fire which was in the
[19:45] Speaker 2: northwest of Sydney a little bit earlier today. A couple
[19:51] Speaker 2: of kids, I think a twelve and a thirteen year
[19:53] Speaker 2: old have been spoken to by police because the Rural
[19:57] Speaker 2: Fire Service noticed the obvious and in this sort of
[20:01] Speaker 2: situation in the middle of suburbia it and there was
[20:04] Speaker 2: no lightning strikes.
[20:05] Speaker 1: You have to look at other causes of fire.
[20:08] Speaker 2: There was course reports in and around what happened on
[20:11] Speaker 2: the Central Coast, in and around Jerry Cans as well.
[20:14] Speaker 2: Now will there be lightning that starts fires, absolutely? Will
[20:18] Speaker 2: there be wind that push pushes them along? Yeah, of course,
[20:21] Speaker 2: will there be power chords that spark, Yes, But will
[20:25] Speaker 2: there also be people.
[20:26] Speaker 1: Who for some stupid, mad reason decide to light a fire? Sadly?
[20:33] Speaker 1: You bet.
[20:34] Speaker 2: But also speaking of sadly, I might get into trouble
[20:38] Speaker 2: for saying it, but I'll say it anyway, there are
[20:40] Speaker 2: parts of society that sort of spur on and want
[20:45] Speaker 2: there to be significant fires. Now, obviously they don't want
[20:48] Speaker 2: people to be hurt, they don't want homes to disappear,
[20:50] Speaker 2: but they know how galvanizing. The two thousand and twenty
[20:55] Speaker 2: pushfires were particularly in the around New South Wales's people
[20:58] Speaker 2: got to physically see the consequences, as it was said
[21:01] Speaker 2: at the time, around climate change.
[21:04] Speaker 1: The Guardian all the turmbul Times as we call it on.
[21:06] Speaker 2: This program, had this today and again you be the judge,
[21:11] Speaker 2: because I.
[21:11] Speaker 1: Don't think what I've said is all that unfair.
[21:13] Speaker 2: Australians should expect the unexpected this bush fire season amid
[21:17] Speaker 2: dangerous conditions, experts have warned. After a severe start that
[21:21] Speaker 2: saw a firefighter killed and homes destroyed in several states,
[21:25] Speaker 2: the start of December has already produced heat waves in
[21:27] Speaker 2: several states. This follows a dry spring for large parts
[21:30] Speaker 2: of the southeastern Australia thanks to the influence of a
[21:33] Speaker 2: rare warming phenomenon called sudden stratospheric warming over Antarctica.
[21:38] Speaker 1: David Bowman, who's.
[21:39] Speaker 2: A professor of I'm not going to try to pronounce
[21:41] Speaker 2: that and fire science, pyrogeography, there you go, and fire
[21:48] Speaker 2: science at the University of Tasmania, said the number one
[21:50] Speaker 2: message is expect the unexpected in a world increasing of
[21:56] Speaker 2: increasing climate instability. He said people should stop assuming a
[22:00] Speaker 2: seasonal forecast or the authorities can have some crystal bader
[22:02] Speaker 2: to you what February is going to be like. Instead,
[22:04] Speaker 2: he said the smartest thing for people to do was
[22:06] Speaker 2: to prepare, have a bush via a survival plan, build
[22:10] Speaker 2: situational awareness at home and when traveling.
[22:13] Speaker 1: Again, perhaps it's the headline may be even a little.
[22:15] Speaker 2: More than the content, but this sort of not salivating,
[22:19] Speaker 2: but certainly the idea that well, at any moment it's
[22:21] Speaker 2: going to go off, it's going to go off, it's
[22:22] Speaker 2: going to go off, and when it goes off, it's
[22:24] Speaker 2: all only because of climate change. Again, will strong winds
[22:27] Speaker 2: and high temperatures make things worse, yes, Will they produce
[22:31] Speaker 2: more lightning strikes?
[22:33] Speaker 1: Yes?
[22:34] Speaker 2: But are they the sole issue and sole factor around
[22:37] Speaker 2: whether fires either start in the first place, No, or
[22:40] Speaker 2: become intense well also no. Remember last night we had
[22:44] Speaker 2: a chat with the Nationals leader, Gurmeesh Singho's also a
[22:48] Speaker 2: firefighter and lives and represents the communities on the mid
[22:51] Speaker 2: North coast of New South Wales. He got our attention
[22:54] Speaker 2: by claiming that only eleven percent of the hazard reductions
[22:58] Speaker 2: which is supposed to have happened the news how welles
[23:00] Speaker 2: have happened last night he brought the receipts. Just in
[23:03] Speaker 2: case you didn't see it. Have a look at this
[23:04] Speaker 2: and go and find the full highlight. It'skynews dot com
[23:06] Speaker 2: dot I you.
[23:08] Speaker 16: How many hectares of hazard reduction they want done. And
[23:12] Speaker 16: it's not just burning, its other methods like clearing fire breaks,
[23:17] Speaker 16: mechanical removal of debris and things like that. So they
[23:22] Speaker 16: have a target that they want to reach every single year,
[23:24] Speaker 16: and they've reached eleven percent of it so far, so
[23:27] Speaker 16: obviously there's a lot more that can be done. And
[23:29] Speaker 16: I think one of the big lessons out of the
[23:32] Speaker 16: twenty nineteen and twenty bush fires was that we need
[23:35] Speaker 16: to start having a really mature conversation around what it
[23:39] Speaker 16: looks like in terms of firebreaks around properties and especially
[23:43] Speaker 16: around communities and towns.
[23:45] Speaker 2: All right, let us now get to the Minister for Freebes. Now,
[23:49] Speaker 2: last night I was able to show you a whole
[23:52] Speaker 2: list of free stuff that the Minister for Freebes had
[23:55] Speaker 2: been claiming. Now remember it's not just the tickets, it's
[23:58] Speaker 2: the travel to and from. You'll notice many and most
[24:00] Speaker 2: of the tickets would involve plus one ie e two tickets.
[24:04] Speaker 2: There she is, of course making snow angels out of
[24:07] Speaker 2: the confetti at the afl W Grand Final or is
[24:11] Speaker 2: it the NROLW Grand Final. Either way, you get the point. Well,
[24:16] Speaker 2: as we learnt last night, she had cars waiting for
[24:21] Speaker 2: her just in case, because God forbid, you actually have
[24:23] Speaker 2: to hail a cab. Well spends thousands on Comcast to
[24:27] Speaker 2: attend grand finals. Wells has charged, as you know, one
[24:32] Speaker 2: thousand dollars for a car to wait for seven hours,
[24:35] Speaker 2: seven hours for her to go and see the tennis,
[24:39] Speaker 2: as I told you last night, and a couple of
[24:40] Speaker 2: people have noticed. Now remember she got the Oasis tickets
[24:44] Speaker 2: from Events New South Wales. She lives in Brisbane. It
[24:48] Speaker 2: was on a Saturday night so who paid for the travel?
[24:52] Speaker 2: Was it another up and down trip. Some of the
[24:55] Speaker 2: defenses that are now being offered by Anika Wells or
[24:58] Speaker 2: some of her supporters or some of her mates in
[25:00] Speaker 2: the media are outrageous. I'll get to them in a second.
[25:03] Speaker 2: But I told you last night that for her to
[25:05] Speaker 2: be able to be wall to wall tomorrow when the
[25:07] Speaker 2: social media band comes in all over much of the
[25:10] Speaker 2: establishment media, that either herself or the Prime Minister would
[25:13] Speaker 2: have to refer all of this off to a committee. Now,
[25:16] Speaker 2: because the rules have got a giant loophole, you could
[25:19] Speaker 2: drive a truck through it, or in her case, perhaps
[25:21] Speaker 2: just get a com car to wait and then drive
[25:24] Speaker 2: through it. She will of course inevitably be exonerated. Well
[25:28] Speaker 2: guess what happened today.
[25:30] Speaker 17: Struggling to shake off the intense scrutiny over her ballooning
[25:34] Speaker 17: travel expenses and perks, Anika Wells has decided to take
[25:38] Speaker 17: matters into her own hands.
[25:39] Speaker 18: The Minister has referred herself to a parliamentary watchdog that
[25:44] Speaker 18: investigates Polly's expenses.
[25:46] Speaker 15: Cabinet Minister Anika Wells has referred herself for an independent
[25:50] Speaker 15: audit over taxpayer funded expenses.
[25:53] Speaker 2: So last night she had gone longer than the required
[25:58] Speaker 2: amount of time to tell us that she was going
[26:00] Speaker 2: to things like the Oasis concert in Sydney, not for
[26:03] Speaker 2: sporting reasons, not for communications reasons, not to be lobbied
[26:08] Speaker 2: by communications organizations instead by Events New South Wales. But
[26:12] Speaker 2: today the spin and you saw it picked up by everyone, was.
[26:16] Speaker 1: That she has referred herself.
[26:18] Speaker 2: That now means that any further relevant revelations that come forward,
[26:21] Speaker 2: she'll simply say, well, I've put this forward to a committee.
[26:24] Speaker 2: I couldn't possibly say anything else, as if some show
[26:26] Speaker 2: she was going to purge a murder trial so she'll
[26:31] Speaker 2: get her get out of jail free. Cart Now we
[26:34] Speaker 2: can discuss how this has been prosecuted by many other people.
[26:37] Speaker 2: But can I just deal with the media and the
[26:39] Speaker 2: media mates for a second, because it took a couple
[26:42] Speaker 2: of days. But then they have now been offering a
[26:44] Speaker 2: little bit of air cover to the minister and the
[26:47] Speaker 2: Minister for her disgraceful expenses.
[26:50] Speaker 1: Disgraceful expenses that she may would have been entitled to, but.
[26:55] Speaker 2: Do not pass any test forget your pub as I say, cafe,
[26:58] Speaker 2: target club, pony club, babysitters club, whatever it wouldn't pass
[27:03] Speaker 2: the common sense test. Have a look at how Channel
[27:07] Speaker 2: nine tonight tried to pretend nothing to see here because
[27:10] Speaker 2: there's more important things to see here.
[27:12] Speaker 1: I think that's their point.
[27:15] Speaker 18: The most recent report showing nine of the top ten
[27:18] Speaker 18: blowing more than ten thousand dollars on partners and children,
[27:22] Speaker 18: Anika Wells sits at sixty eighth on the list. She
[27:26] Speaker 18: is sixth in overall parliamentary expenses at just under four
[27:31] Speaker 18: hundred thousand.
[27:33] Speaker 2: Andrew, can I break it to you that all of
[27:35] Speaker 2: those expenses are outrageous.
[27:38] Speaker 1: All of them.
[27:39] Speaker 2: You see, there's not going to be one of these
[27:40] Speaker 2: things where either's a specific wish hunt on this one person.
[27:43] Speaker 2: No Minister for freebies has got four the types of
[27:46] Speaker 2: things that she has racked up on. Now again, there
[27:48] Speaker 2: will be plenty of fine print inside that list where
[27:51] Speaker 2: you're able to pretend, oh, she's really down here. And
[27:53] Speaker 2: of course the family reunion flights from Western Australia might
[27:58] Speaker 2: be a little more expensive than perhaps city hopping between
[28:00] Speaker 2: Sydney and Brisbane. But it didn't stop there. The gender
[28:04] Speaker 2: card seemed to be flipped this morning on the ABC.
[28:08] Speaker 1: So then why is Anaka Wells being targeted.
[28:11] Speaker 4: That's a good question, and I suppose it's up to
[28:14] Speaker 4: your listeners to really make that judgment on whether this
[28:17] Speaker 4: scrutiny on Anaka Wells is fair or not.
[28:22] Speaker 2: Okay, And then the card was visible for all to
[28:26] Speaker 2: see via an opinion piece by a wife of a
[28:29] Speaker 2: former Liberal MP in the Courier Mail. But when it
[28:34] Speaker 2: comes to criticism, when criticism becomes gendered, when it fixates
[28:37] Speaker 2: on the juggle, the childcare, the family logistics, the effect
[28:42] Speaker 2: is unmistakable. Well, I'm pretty sure that certainly, I, who
[28:45] Speaker 2: could be perhaps one of the loudest and most focused
[28:47] Speaker 2: people on the Minister for freebies, has used none of
[28:50] Speaker 2: those terms. But anyway, we continue. We are not assessing conduct,
[28:55] Speaker 2: we are assessing motherhood. And if that is the bar,
[28:58] Speaker 2: then it is no wonder the capable women hesitate before
[29:01] Speaker 2: stepping into public life. I'll repeat, I'm not a labor voter.
[29:03] Speaker 2: Defending Anika Wells does not advance my political interests. Indeed,
[29:06] Speaker 2: it will probably hurt them. But I cannot sit silently
[29:09] Speaker 2: while the realities of working mothers in politics are raised
[29:13] Speaker 2: in favor of outrage cycles. All right, let's level the
[29:17] Speaker 2: playing field then, Okay, here's the reason why Anika Wells
[29:24] Speaker 2: stands out from the crowd.
[29:27] Speaker 1: It's because it's so blatant.
[29:30] Speaker 2: It's because when given a choice of pulling her head
[29:33] Speaker 2: in or pulling the public credit card out, the card
[29:37] Speaker 2: gets a workout almost every time. It's also because, as
[29:44] Speaker 2: was highlighted by skynews dot com that are you today,
[29:48] Speaker 2: that at the very time when she was racking up
[29:51] Speaker 2: the expenses on that collective credit card, where she was
[29:56] Speaker 2: charging hundreds of dollars for dinner here, a trip to
[29:59] Speaker 2: a mate's birthday, here, a trip to a mate's birthday there,
[30:03] Speaker 2: pretending that there was work that urgently had to be
[30:05] Speaker 2: done the day before or the day after the Melbourne.
[30:07] Speaker 1: Cup, over and over and over and over and over again.
[30:11] Speaker 2: She was one of the people who was prancing about politically,
[30:14] Speaker 2: trying to make hay about the Liberal Party when its
[30:18] Speaker 2: policy going into the last election was that a small
[30:20] Speaker 2: business up to twenty thousand dollars would be able to
[30:22] Speaker 2: claim that off the tax they pay.
[30:25] Speaker 1: Now. Of course, Anaka.
[30:27] Speaker 2: Wells, spending way more than twenty thousand dollars, was trying
[30:31] Speaker 2: to mock small business for being able to take off
[30:35] Speaker 2: their own tax bill. The small amount of money for
[30:39] Speaker 2: taking your biggest client to lunch at the pub. Oh
[30:44] Speaker 2: and she did it on social media too. Make no mistake,
[30:47] Speaker 2: this in part is why I am focused on the
[30:50] Speaker 2: Minister for freebies. And when she gets let off by
[30:53] Speaker 2: the official report, I'll still be on her case because
[30:56] Speaker 2: she's taking the piss.
[31:00] Speaker 19: The collisions publicly defined parameters of their own policy. Business
[31:05] Speaker 19: could spend up to twenty thousand dollars of Elizabeth's own
[31:09] Speaker 19: taxpayer funds to attend something like, for example, the Super
[31:12] Speaker 19: Bowl to lather themselves in buffalo wings and baby back ribs,
[31:16] Speaker 19: nodding along to Kendrick Lamar, all subsidized by the Australian taxpayer.
[31:20] Speaker 19: Mister speaker, this is just another reason why those opposites
[31:23] Speaker 19: are not like us.
[31:24] Speaker 20: They're not like us.
[31:25] Speaker 2: Free lunches for bosses paid for by you, the taxpayer.
[31:29] Speaker 7: What is the session study number of the day?
[31:34] Speaker 19: Is it two hundred and fifty million dollars? It's up
[31:37] Speaker 19: to those oscar the gratches to come clean.
[31:39] Speaker 2: And answer literally literally for years before and every week.
[31:45] Speaker 2: Since that's why it's not about gender, and it is
[31:50] Speaker 2: just pretty weak source that people are starting to argue
[31:53] Speaker 2: that if there are people that have spent as much
[31:56] Speaker 2: or more, then I'll go after them too. The prancing,
[32:01] Speaker 2: the passive aggressive way of responding, and the coward's way
[32:06] Speaker 2: of now pretending, oh, I can't possibly talk because I'm
[32:09] Speaker 2: going to affect a jury trot. No, it's all just
[32:11] Speaker 2: a way of getting through to the next stage, which
[32:14] Speaker 2: will mean the message sent to all is the travel roots, expenses, ruts,
[32:18] Speaker 2: They just don't matter. For his partly, Amendez has got
[32:21] Speaker 2: some breaking.
[32:22] Speaker 1: News for us.
[32:22] Speaker 2: He's a reporter with the Australian newspaper and he confronted
[32:25] Speaker 2: Anika Wells upon her arrival at an airport this evening.
[32:29] Speaker 15: You're the salary of four hundred thousand dollars over four
[32:32] Speaker 15: hundred thousand dollars?
[32:33] Speaker 9: Do you think the rules that have allowed you to
[32:36] Speaker 9: claim these expenses need to be changed?
[32:38] Speaker 19: The rules operate and the arms thanks from parliamentary.
[32:42] Speaker 1: Do you think they need to be changed?
[32:43] Speaker 19: People can have a view on that part of his.
[32:46] Speaker 11: Do you think that they need to be changed?
[32:48] Speaker 5: Man?
[32:48] Speaker 10: You is that I understand the guidelines.
[32:51] Speaker 2: I followed the guidelines, always followed the guidelines.
[32:54] Speaker 3: How continue to do that?
[32:57] Speaker 1: Sorry?
[32:58] Speaker 2: The hardest possible word when you don't think you've done
[33:00] Speaker 2: anything wrong, and you mock people who try to make
[33:04] Speaker 2: life easier for small business. Again, the message will be
[33:08] Speaker 2: sent to all of the colleagues, all of the media.
[33:10] Speaker 2: It's don't worry, We've got your back because you know,
[33:14] Speaker 2: it's a special thing to be a minister of the crown.
[33:17] Speaker 2: Yes it is, which means you should think twice. What
[33:21] Speaker 2: about the idea that you're forcing somebody to stand around
[33:23] Speaker 2: and wait for you like you remember the royal family
[33:26] Speaker 2: for hours at a tennis match.
[33:28] Speaker 1: Hours? Oh you know you know what.
[33:31] Speaker 2: I definitely better take those free tickets to Oasis and
[33:34] Speaker 2: yet I'll fly to Sydney to go and see them.
[33:36] Speaker 2: D unbelievable anyway, who defenders are there? I know you
[33:41] Speaker 2: are not one of them. A right quick breakback with
[33:43] Speaker 2: more here on Palmriray Live. Lots to get to this evening,
[33:45] Speaker 2: including one hundred million dollars sting in the tail. That's
[33:48] Speaker 2: what might be there when it comes to the latest
[33:50] Speaker 2: apology that's come from the Victorian government towards indigenous people.
[33:53] Speaker 2: Nigel Ferras, she joins us from the UK too, Thanks
[33:55] Speaker 2: for watching.
[34:01] Speaker 5: This is good.
[34:02] Speaker 2: We've got a lot to get to tonight, I've gone
[34:03] Speaker 2: on rather long and hard, but still there's plenty to
[34:05] Speaker 2: talk about here with James Ashby, of course from one
[34:08] Speaker 2: Nation camp.
[34:09] Speaker 1: Where's the fire mate.
[34:12] Speaker 17: Not tonight made I got home late, didn't bother stack
[34:16] Speaker 17: and the heat, but there's plenty more to burn off.
[34:18] Speaker 5: You welcome up here anytime.
[34:20] Speaker 1: Look forward to it. Do a couple of doughies in
[34:21] Speaker 1: the ute as well, that'll be fun.
[34:23] Speaker 2: And of course Linda Scott labored to a boot statue
[34:25] Speaker 2: joins us here in the man cave as well. All right,
[34:27] Speaker 2: so Victoria says sorry again, this time state based for colonization,
[34:33] Speaker 2: the way it happened, the speed with which it happened.
[34:35] Speaker 2: But also buried in some of the stories today is
[34:37] Speaker 2: the potentially one hundred million dollars with the settlement packages.
[34:40] Speaker 1: That's reparation straight up and down.
[34:42] Speaker 2: May We'll be there for a couple of different groups
[34:45] Speaker 2: in Victoria.
[34:46] Speaker 1: So you know the sky. No one's saying the sky
[34:49] Speaker 1: has fallen in today.
[34:50] Speaker 2: But James, when we start to see one hundred million dollars,
[34:53] Speaker 2: and it's not one hundred million dollars across huge amounts
[34:57] Speaker 2: of the state or huge populations, but about sections of
[35:00] Speaker 2: sections of the community.
[35:02] Speaker 1: Well, this is where the other shoe starts to drop.
[35:04] Speaker 1: But of course we can't say it.
[35:08] Speaker 7: Now.
[35:08] Speaker 5: The big issue.
[35:08] Speaker 17: I saw the minister in that state who claims to
[35:10] Speaker 17: be indigenous, good honor. She's blubbering about the fact that
[35:14] Speaker 17: she walks down in her electorate and she can't speak
[35:16] Speaker 17: the native tongue of some.
[35:17] Speaker 5: Of the people that live within it.
[35:18] Speaker 17: There's plenty of Ossie born, you know, with Chinese heritage
[35:21] Speaker 17: or Argentinian heritage, that don't speak Chinese, don't speak Spanish,
[35:26] Speaker 17: and they're not here blubbering away in our parliament saying
[35:28] Speaker 17: that the colonizers ruined their life.
[35:33] Speaker 5: I find this really hard to swallow. Most Victorians will
[35:35] Speaker 5: as well.
[35:36] Speaker 17: I see that ninety eight percent of Victorians do not
[35:38] Speaker 17: want to pay reparations, which is Layman's term. I'll put
[35:43] Speaker 17: it in Layman's terms. It's an apology and its compensation.
[35:46] Speaker 17: It's an admission of guilt or admission of doing something wrong.
[35:49] Speaker 17: I don't think any of us here living today in
[35:52] Speaker 17: this century have anything to apologize for. And if you
[35:55] Speaker 17: believe what Labour said all those years ago when Kevin
[35:58] Speaker 17: Rudd was first elected a year after you were elected,
[36:00] Speaker 17: he said, sorry.
[36:01] Speaker 5: That was supposed to be the end of it, but
[36:03] Speaker 5: here we are just paying for it through the nose.
[36:07] Speaker 17: And Victoria's the first of many states which is going
[36:09] Speaker 17: to start this process. It will not end pretty one
[36:12] Speaker 17: nation of saying at the state election when that occurs
[36:16] Speaker 17: in Victoria, if one nation have the balance of power
[36:19] Speaker 17: or we can win government, I tell you we will
[36:22] Speaker 17: get rid of treaty. It's that simple. No one wants it.
[36:26] Speaker 1: Linda.
[36:27] Speaker 2: Again, the part of the logic in and around payments
[36:29] Speaker 2: is because of the inequities that are built up over.
[36:33] Speaker 1: Many a generation.
[36:35] Speaker 2: But I always can't help but think here that again,
[36:37] Speaker 2: when relevant ministers sitting within the systems that are only
[36:42] Speaker 2: possible because of the event of which we are saying
[36:44] Speaker 2: sorry and being compensated for. I mean literally the democratic
[36:50] Speaker 2: Westminster Parliament that is Victoria.
[36:53] Speaker 1: I don't quite know what to think.
[36:55] Speaker 2: You if you know, handing the gun and badge if
[36:58] Speaker 2: that is the she Otherwise you're part of the system,
[37:02] Speaker 2: isn't she.
[37:03] Speaker 21: Look I'm not sure the allegations that James was just
[37:06] Speaker 21: making about Sheena what she's the labor MP. She clearly
[37:09] Speaker 21: is indigenous. It seems like he was denying her heritage somehow,
[37:12] Speaker 21: So I do just want to be really clear about that,
[37:14] Speaker 21: and to be honest, I think whatever system we had,
[37:15] Speaker 21: Sheena What would play a leadership role, because she's a fantastic, intelligent,
[37:20] Speaker 21: brilliant Indigenous woman and a real leader for Victoria and
[37:24] Speaker 21: one of the Labour Party's absolute stars, indeed one of
[37:27] Speaker 21: the stars of Australia. So let's just be really clear
[37:29] Speaker 21: about how fantastic Sheena What is and the leadership role
[37:33] Speaker 21: she would play no matter what the system do we
[37:35] Speaker 21: think again, this is an example of just actually how
[37:39] Speaker 21: brilliant Australia is. She can be Australian and aboriginalis. I
[37:44] Speaker 21: know that's incredibly controversial for one nation, but just putting
[37:48] Speaker 21: your racism aside for one moment, one of the wonderful
[37:51] Speaker 21: things about Australia, one of the most incredibly special things,
[37:55] Speaker 21: is that we have the oldest continuing culture in the world.
[37:58] Speaker 20: In the world.
[37:59] Speaker 21: When children go to school and learn about modern history
[38:02] Speaker 21: from all over the world, they should learn more about
[38:04] Speaker 21: the fact that we have this incredible culture standing in
[38:07] Speaker 21: our parliaments talking about it more, learning about it more,
[38:11] Speaker 21: and importantly acknowledging that European colonization did some harm to
[38:17] Speaker 21: that culture, did some harm to those people were still
[38:20] Speaker 21: in Australia. Well then why is James opposing apologies? Why
[38:25] Speaker 21: is the Liberal Party in the Victorian Parliament today learning
[38:29] Speaker 21: against a thing like saying, when we still have when
[38:34] Speaker 21: we still have life expectancy gaps that are eight years right,
[38:39] Speaker 21: we still have the imprisonment rates that are absolutely high
[38:44] Speaker 21: for Australians, we still have huge inequality. It's not acceptable.
[38:48] Speaker 21: We should be saying sorry and we should be fixing it.
[38:51] Speaker 1: James quickly, my lineage.
[38:54] Speaker 17: Look, the reality is my lineage shows that we came
[38:58] Speaker 17: from convicts here in this country.
[39:00] Speaker 5: Do I hold anything against the British government.
[39:03] Speaker 1: No, I don't.
[39:04] Speaker 5: We've got on with life.
[39:05] Speaker 17: Yes, what happened in the past was terrible, not just
[39:07] Speaker 17: to blacks but to whites as well. And I just
[39:09] Speaker 17: say we've got to move on because this is just
[39:12] Speaker 17: so divisive. And there are dozens of not just millions
[39:18] Speaker 17: of Aboriginals in this country that are saying, well, there's
[39:21] Speaker 17: not millions, but there's there's a million of them, But there's.
[39:23] Speaker 5: Plenty of them. They don't agree with this either.
[39:26] Speaker 1: All right, let's get anyone else. Let's get to Wells
[39:30] Speaker 1: all wrong.
[39:31] Speaker 2: So Linda, give me the thirty second defense of what
[39:35] Speaker 2: I believe to be so obviously indefensible.
[39:39] Speaker 21: Look, I do think it's appropriate for Anika Wells to
[39:42] Speaker 21: have referred herself to the independent agency that looks at
[39:45] Speaker 21: these expenses, and I think that's the right things to do.
[39:47] Speaker 21: People are asking questions, and I think that's an appropriate
[39:50] Speaker 21: thing for an MP to do. It is hard being
[39:53] Speaker 21: an MP, but you know what, it's hard being a nurse.
[39:55] Speaker 21: It's hard being a garbage collector in local government, and I.
[39:59] Speaker 1: Think it's I think it's.
[40:01] Speaker 21: Really important that people make sure they're playing by the rules.
[40:04] Speaker 21: But let's not pretend this is a political thing like
[40:07] Speaker 21: we've seen just in the last twenty four hours. The
[40:10] Speaker 21: Green Senator Hansome Young, I know you'll love James. She's
[40:15] Speaker 21: charged three thousand dollars. She's charged three thousand dollars to
[40:20] Speaker 21: fly her family to Byron bayfer blues Fest for flights
[40:24] Speaker 21: and accommodation. Melissa Macintosh, the Shadow's responsible for prosecuting this
[40:30] Speaker 21: case for the opposition, admit that she flew to the
[40:33] Speaker 21: Gold Coast with her son, where he attended a judo
[40:37] Speaker 21: competition whilst being paid.
[40:38] Speaker 10: For on the public dollars.
[40:40] Speaker 21: So that's a matter for her to answer. But I
[40:44] Speaker 21: guess what I'm saying is there's a system of rules
[40:47] Speaker 21: we should have a discussion about which is so bad.
[40:49] Speaker 5: You could labor one rule for everybody else.
[40:53] Speaker 21: But you know what, I think it's important to point
[40:55] Speaker 21: out the differences here. Labour got into government, we pushed
[40:58] Speaker 21: for stronger wage risers for every day Australians and we've
[41:01] Speaker 21: been achieving them. We've been seeing real wage risers for
[41:04] Speaker 21: the first time in decades. The Liberal Party.
[41:07] Speaker 1: Had don't want to be rooting.
[41:08] Speaker 21: Policies, active policies to drive down wages and conditions.
[41:12] Speaker 20: Why people are acting these stories and taking interest in them,
[41:19] Speaker 20: and I think that's it's a legitimate thing for them
[41:21] Speaker 20: to take an interest in.
[41:22] Speaker 1: But the main issue is we're allowed to be annoyed
[41:28] Speaker 1: about it.
[41:28] Speaker 14: Yeah we are.
[41:29] Speaker 2: And in the same way people were blowing up about
[41:32] Speaker 2: helicopters and blowing up about Susan Lee, you know, years
[41:36] Speaker 2: and years ago, all of that, all of that because
[41:38] Speaker 2: it all sits in the same pot, right, which is
[41:41] Speaker 2: that the rules need to be changed. This is a
[41:43] Speaker 2: government that claim they were going to be all so
[41:45] Speaker 2: different reality, same as every other politician right in fact
[41:49] Speaker 2: in this case was but again, James, the antical wells
[41:52] Speaker 2: of it all right? I mean you saw there when
[41:53] Speaker 2: she was clearly pissed off that she had been confronted
[41:56] Speaker 2: by somebody getting off a plane because hang on, we're
[42:00] Speaker 2: had a neat little solution to this, which was full
[42:03] Speaker 2: information dump on a Monday, inquiry on a Tuesday. Sorry,
[42:07] Speaker 2: that matters before. The system will be the excuse tomorrow.
[42:13] Speaker 2: Look is it that hard to say?
[42:15] Speaker 1: Sorry? Is it also that hard to say, darling, husband,
[42:19] Speaker 1: you're not coming we with me to Oasis anymore?
[42:24] Speaker 17: Oh, that's been said behind the scenes. You com bet
[42:26] Speaker 17: on that you watch he won't be paying anything in
[42:30] Speaker 17: the future.
[42:30] Speaker 5: But this is the problem with labor.
[42:33] Speaker 17: Lender's just rolled out what we will expect to see
[42:35] Speaker 17: tomorrow and into the future.
[42:37] Speaker 5: Can't talk about it.
[42:38] Speaker 17: We've self referred nothing will happen, and we all know
[42:41] Speaker 17: that IP will turn around and say, look, it's within
[42:43] Speaker 17: the rules. The reality is the rules need to change,
[42:46] Speaker 17: simple as that.
[42:47] Speaker 2: Yep, excellent, well said Seed. The clarity there, This is
[42:49] Speaker 2: why one nation is surging.
[42:51] Speaker 1: Linda.
[42:51] Speaker 2: We love you look forward to seeing you again next week,
[42:53] Speaker 2: Thank you very much. All right, Nijer Frush standing by
[42:55] Speaker 2: for us in the United Kingdom. We will get to
[42:57] Speaker 2: him next.
[43:04] Speaker 5: It's time for the man who's never.
[43:07] Speaker 2: Boring, the leader of the Reform Party in the UK,
[43:11] Speaker 2: none than the Great Nigel Faragi joins us now from
[43:14] Speaker 2: Merry Old England. In the lead up to Christmas? Are
[43:16] Speaker 2: you an all in Christmas guy? You know there, it
[43:18] Speaker 2: can't it be street? It all looks quite beautiful. Are
[43:20] Speaker 2: you the type of bo who's got the special reform
[43:23] Speaker 2: tinsel out and about?
[43:27] Speaker 5: Well?
[43:27] Speaker 14: I love Christmas, but I can't bear it when it
[43:29] Speaker 14: starts in October.
[43:32] Speaker 1: He starts seeing you know, Christmas.
[43:35] Speaker 14: Lights going up and you know, and they're all up
[43:38] Speaker 14: up until the sixth of January. So yeah, of course
[43:41] Speaker 14: love Christmas, but I just think it's become somewhat extended,
[43:46] Speaker 14: to say the very leadst correct.
[43:48] Speaker 2: Correct, All right, Now, let's have a look at what
[43:50] Speaker 2: happened on the BBC recently when a question got a
[43:54] Speaker 2: whole bunch of people fired up. Let's have a look
[43:56] Speaker 2: here at what went to with on the BBC.
[43:58] Speaker 22: I just want to clear that living the convention of
[44:02] Speaker 22: living the convention doesn't just affect the migrants, it's it
[44:06] Speaker 22: would be it would give ordinary people one less core.
[44:11] Speaker 22: Ordinary people want less court to protect their rights even
[44:16] Speaker 22: for vicim checks. And the government pover risk on peace
[44:22] Speaker 22: settlement in Northern Ireland and damage the damage of our
[44:26] Speaker 22: security cooperation.
[44:29] Speaker 1: What now?
[44:30] Speaker 2: An opinion poll here which is is Forage right about
[44:33] Speaker 2: the BBC and about how bant it is on this issue?
[44:35] Speaker 2: Ninety three percent of people certainly on the Daily Mail
[44:37] Speaker 2: agree what the heck was all that about?
[44:43] Speaker 1: So it was questions.
[44:44] Speaker 14: I'm one of one of the BBC's big flagship programs,
[44:48] Speaker 14: been around for nearly fifty years. It goes out on
[44:51] Speaker 14: Thursday nights, and it was a special debate about a
[44:55] Speaker 14: legal migration, and the BBC put into the audience and
[44:59] Speaker 14: allowed to our questions two guys who had come to
[45:03] Speaker 14: Britain illegally on small boats, one of whom appeared to
[45:07] Speaker 14: have been briefed on his mobile phone about human rights law.
[45:11] Speaker 14: I've never seen such a stitch up, such a setup,
[45:16] Speaker 14: It is absolutely fascical. These guys shouldn't have been on
[45:19] Speaker 14: the BBC. They should have been on an aeroplane being
[45:22] Speaker 14: deported out of the country. And what really hurts the
[45:26] Speaker 14: BBC's case even more is just yesterday two young men,
[45:31] Speaker 14: one sixteen, one seventeen from Afghanistan convicted of the rape
[45:34] Speaker 14: of a fifteen year old. The BBC don't realize how
[45:38] Speaker 14: loath they're becoming. They're not showing us the true picture
[45:41] Speaker 14: about illegal immigration into Britain and frankly, they were holding
[45:44] Speaker 14: these two men up as champions of humanity. It is
[45:48] Speaker 14: a disgrace.
[45:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
[45:50] Speaker 2: Now what about another person jumping from team Blood team Teal,
[45:54] Speaker 2: But this time in Scotland, somebody is jumping from the
[45:58] Speaker 2: Conservatives to reform And now are you surprised that this
[46:02] Speaker 2: stuff is happening in Scotland with supposedly labor territory. Certainly
[46:06] Speaker 2: former ISNP territory, but there's a bit of reform territory
[46:10] Speaker 2: up north.
[46:13] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[46:13] Speaker 14: Yeah, we've made amazing progress in Scotland. What happened on
[46:16] Speaker 14: Saturday was a guy called Malcolm Offford, who comes from
[46:19] Speaker 14: very ordinary Scottish background, done well in business, finished up
[46:23] Speaker 14: as a government minister, a member of the House of Lords,
[46:27] Speaker 14: and he's done a remarkable thing. He is handing back
[46:31] Speaker 14: his peerage and when you think about it, you become
[46:34] Speaker 14: a lord, you know you've got it for the rest
[46:35] Speaker 14: of your life. The House of Lords is probably the
[46:39] Speaker 14: best old people's home in the country, with subsidized food
[46:43] Speaker 14: to make them sleep in the afternoons on the benches,
[46:46] Speaker 14: and he's jacking it all in. He's giving all that
[46:48] Speaker 14: privilege up to stand for reform in the Scottish Parliament elections.
[46:53] Speaker 14: How often do you see in public life people behaving
[46:56] Speaker 14: as selflessly as that.
[46:58] Speaker 5: It's very, very impressive.
[47:00] Speaker 14: I think he's going to make a very big impact
[47:02] Speaker 14: on Scottish politics as we have the elections of the
[47:05] Speaker 14: Scottish Parliament coming up in May next year.
[47:09] Speaker 2: Now, what about the forces inside the Labor Party that
[47:11] Speaker 2: are going out of their way to try to get
[47:13] Speaker 2: rid of Kia Starma? Tell us about what's this group
[47:16] Speaker 2: Labor together and their role in trying to look for
[47:19] Speaker 2: anyone but Sirkia to go up against you in a
[47:22] Speaker 2: couple of years time.
[47:26] Speaker 14: Yeah, well, they all know they're going to lose their seats.
[47:29] Speaker 14: They all think this is it, it's over. We need
[47:31] Speaker 14: to find someone better. The mechanism within the Labor Party
[47:35] Speaker 14: for getting rid of a leader is not quite as
[47:38] Speaker 14: straightforward it is within the Conservatives where you know, hunting
[47:41] Speaker 14: down leaders always become a sport.
[47:45] Speaker 1: I think we've lost the loan. No, I still gotcha.
[47:51] Speaker 2: All right, we got to come back to me then
[47:54] Speaker 2: find it fair enough or right? Apologies, we'll get the
[47:56] Speaker 2: tin cans all back in order for next week. A
[47:59] Speaker 2: lot of fun behind the scenes, all right, meetings tomorrow everyone,
[48:02] Speaker 2: quick breakback.
[48:03] Speaker 1: We were here on Paulmurray Live. Thanks for watching.
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[48:13] Speaker 1: You can take us wherever you want to go.
[48:14] Speaker 2: Can it be hey, Andrew, Oh that's mean. I know
[48:24] Speaker 2: it's almost the end of the year in a news sense, right,
[48:26] Speaker 2: I mean plenty it will happen over summer. But can
[48:29] Speaker 2: you believe this is what people who help Santa out
[48:33] Speaker 2: around the country are being instructed. It's essentially a hands
[48:38] Speaker 2: in full view position, meaning Sada should have his hands
[48:41] Speaker 2: in the air when the photos are being taken so
[48:44] Speaker 2: no one can accuse anything unpleasant of taking place. Apparently
[48:48] Speaker 2: Aussie sunders we retrained with new child's safety rules. No
[48:52] Speaker 2: forcing of kids onto the laps and hands must be
[48:54] Speaker 2: visible at all times.
[48:55] Speaker 1: Santa's are also told not to assume.
[48:57] Speaker 2: Family structures and to be mindful of kids disadvantaged backgrounds.
[49:01] Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty sure Santa's kind.
[49:03] Speaker 2: Of cool given the whole sort of like no one
[49:06] Speaker 2: has to pay for the presents, right the elves are
[49:09] Speaker 2: making everything so from where people come from?
[49:12] Speaker 1: Or is that all about?
[49:13] Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know if you know Mummy and Daddy
[49:15] Speaker 2: can afford I don't understand, right, But welcome to the
[49:18] Speaker 2: world where even Santa is not above being told what
[49:22] Speaker 2: to do where he gets on his own naughty list
[49:26] Speaker 2: see tomorrow.
[49:27] Speaker 1: Here's a late debate

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