# Paul Murray Live | 16 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 16 Nov 2025, 49 min.

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Federal Police have to follow up reports of forced marriage every three days, is the Coalition's energy policy enough to save Sussan Ley's leadership? Plus, the BBC brace themselves for $1 billion lawsuit from Donald Trump. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center.
[0:02] Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Well, good evening and welcome
[0:07] Speaker 2: to the show.
[0:08] Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Paul Murray in the
[0:11] Speaker 3: man Cave. Coming up on tonight's program is the Coalition's
[0:14] Speaker 3: energy policy enough to save Susan Lee's leadership. Daniel Wilde
[0:18] Speaker 3: and Lee Hanson will weigh in on that one shortly.
[0:21] Speaker 3: Australian Federal Police say that every three days they're having
[0:25] Speaker 3: to follow up on a report of forced marriage. And
[0:28] Speaker 3: that's just in Sydney. What is going on in our country?
[0:32] Speaker 3: And we'll get to the latest from Mark Dolan in
[0:34] Speaker 3: the UK as the BBC brace themselves for a billion
[0:38] Speaker 3: dollar lawsuit from Donald Trump.
[0:40] Speaker 2: All of that coming up shortly.
[0:42] Speaker 3: But first, the Coalition has decided it wants to win
[0:46] Speaker 3: the next election. After six months of vacillating over whether
[0:50] Speaker 3: or not they should simply ape the government's energy policies,
[0:53] Speaker 3: the Coalition has come up with an alternative. Instead of
[0:57] Speaker 3: destroying the Australian economy in pursuit of net zero, they're
[1:00] Speaker 3: going to prioritize providing Australians with affordable power.
[1:05] Speaker 4: There is now a very very clear contrast when it
[1:09] Speaker 4: comes to this debate, you have a coalition which is
[1:12] Speaker 4: all about energy affordability while doing the responsible thing, playing
[1:16] Speaker 4: our fair share, versus a government which cannot meet its
[1:21] Speaker 4: commitments when it comes to energy prices.
[1:24] Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, they're.
[1:25] Speaker 4: Gone up by nearly forty percent and there is no
[1:30] Speaker 4: sign that that is going to change.
[1:32] Speaker 6: So there is now a clear.
[1:34] Speaker 4: Contrast, and I look forward to getting out on the
[1:37] Speaker 4: road and selling our coalition policy.
[1:40] Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, we finally have a contest. And if
[1:44] Speaker 3: you doubt me, we'll just listen to the sound of
[1:46] Speaker 3: the climate industrial complex spontaneously combusting. We'll start with the
[1:51] Speaker 3: Climate Council, an organization that believes Australian weather can be
[1:54] Speaker 3: trained like a dog if we're just stern enough with
[1:57] Speaker 3: our carbon dioxide. Amanda Mackenzie, you got to be joking.
[2:03] Speaker 7: The Liberal National Coalition is ditching net zero. They've gone
[2:06] Speaker 7: from ironholder hose mate to we're throwing fuel on the fire.
[2:11] Speaker 2: What carry on?
[2:13] Speaker 7: It's a reckless plan to torch both our climate and
[2:16] Speaker 7: our economy. If this was enacted by a government, it
[2:19] Speaker 7: would mean more fires, more floods, more deadly heat waves.
[2:22] Speaker 7: It's saying, to hell with our kids' future.
[2:25] Speaker 3: The Coalition's plan means more floods and more fires. Please,
[2:30] Speaker 3: bushfires aren't caused by Australian's burning coal, and floods aren't
[2:35] Speaker 3: prevented by Australians putting up a wind turbine in a
[2:38] Speaker 3: sheep paddock. Anything Australia does will make virtually no difference
[2:42] Speaker 3: to global temperatures, much less the number of floods and fires.
[2:47] Speaker 3: We could cease and assist all emissions tomorrow, and to
[2:50] Speaker 3: be honest, the planet well it would hardly blink when
[2:53] Speaker 3: your opponents resort to shameless fear mongering.
[2:56] Speaker 2: Well, you know you're on a winner. And then there
[2:59] Speaker 2: was this, and here's the kicker.
[3:02] Speaker 7: Renewable energy is already the cheapest form of power.
[3:06] Speaker 3: Now, if I were the Coalition, I would be rejoicing
[3:09] Speaker 3: at this response because it's pretty easy to counter. Do
[3:13] Speaker 3: you believe the Climate Council or do you believe your
[3:16] Speaker 3: power bill?
[3:17] Speaker 2: Hmmm?
[3:18] Speaker 3: The Coalition can absolutely win this argument if they commit
[3:21] Speaker 3: to it fully, and.
[3:23] Speaker 2: Labour knows it.
[3:24] Speaker 3: Have listened to the PM on Thursday, Mister thirty four
[3:27] Speaker 3: percent sounded nervous, which is why he went straight to
[3:30] Speaker 3: name calling.
[3:32] Speaker 8: The idea that the lesson that the Liberals have learned
[3:36] Speaker 8: from their defeat is that they need to be more
[3:39] Speaker 8: right wing, more skeptical, more in denial about climate change,
[3:43] Speaker 8: and continue to engage in those climate wars.
[3:47] Speaker 3: Wanting to prioritize affordable power makes you right wing? Really,
[3:53] Speaker 3: that's his line of attack. I say, bring it on.
[3:57] Speaker 3: By this definition, your grandmother turning off the air to
[4:00] Speaker 3: save money is basically a militia member. Again, if far
[4:03] Speaker 3: with a coalition hearing that, I would be incredibly encouraged.
[4:07] Speaker 3: As for the PM accusing the Coalition of becoming more skeptical, well,
[4:12] Speaker 3: I think we're all pretty skeptical of anything this Prime
[4:15] Speaker 3: Minister says, especially when it comes to power prices. And
[4:19] Speaker 3: you heard him say that the Coalition is in denial
[4:22] Speaker 3: about climate change.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Well they're not.
[4:25] Speaker 3: They've said they accept the science of climate change.
[4:29] Speaker 2: They just don't accept the.
[4:30] Speaker 3: Part where Australians have to go bankrupt to appease Greta
[4:33] Speaker 3: Tunberg and el Gore. But the PM's reflex reaction is
[4:37] Speaker 3: to label the coalition deniers. Well, if that's how Anthony
[4:42] Speaker 3: Albinezi is going to argue with slurs and invective or
[4:46] Speaker 3: the Coalition hammers away at the need for cheaper power.
[4:49] Speaker 3: I'm putting my money on the Coalition to win that
[4:52] Speaker 3: particular argument.
[4:54] Speaker 8: Good policy is moving towards the cheapest form of new energy,
[5:00] Speaker 8: not going backwards. I think Australians want Australia to move forward.
[5:04] Speaker 8: My government trusts the science. We're focused on the needs
[5:08] Speaker 8: and aspirations of the Australian people. We're focused on making
[5:12] Speaker 8: sure that we can deliver reliable energy.
[5:16] Speaker 2: We're focused on cost of.
[5:18] Speaker 8: Living pressures that are on Australians as well.
[5:22] Speaker 3: Benezi says we're moving toward the cheapest form of new energy,
[5:27] Speaker 3: which begs the question when will that be reflected in
[5:30] Speaker 3: our power.
[5:30] Speaker 2: Bills, to which he can't say.
[5:34] Speaker 3: And did you note there that he said he's focused
[5:36] Speaker 3: on cost of living pressures?
[5:38] Speaker 2: Well.
[5:39] Speaker 3: Rising energy costs are the biggest cost of living pressure
[5:42] Speaker 3: facing Australians right now, and they're rising faster than the
[5:45] Speaker 3: PM's frequent flyer points to ease cost of living pressures,
[5:50] Speaker 3: the government has been subsidizing power bills, so their action
[5:54] Speaker 3: on cost of living is an admission that their promise
[5:56] Speaker 3: of cheaper.
[5:57] Speaker 2: Energy is a lie. I'm telling you.
[6:00] Speaker 3: The Liberals can win this argument and win government if
[6:02] Speaker 3: they fully commit to it. Hilariously, Housing Minister Claire O'Neil
[6:06] Speaker 3: admits we're paying higher power bills, but she says higher
[6:11] Speaker 3: power bills are not the result of the Albanezy government's policy.
[6:14] Speaker 3: Oh no, higher power bills, hilariously are entirely the fault
[6:18] Speaker 3: of opposition in fighting.
[6:21] Speaker 2: Have a listen to this.
[6:23] Speaker 9: The Nationals, the Liberals, they're all saying they're going to
[6:25] Speaker 9: stab each other in the back and come off the
[6:27] Speaker 9: front bench and get off the front bench.
[6:28] Speaker 10: It is all just complete diversion.
[6:30] Speaker 9: Australians have watched the coalition for a decade go through
[6:35] Speaker 9: chaos and infighting over the issue of climate change and
[6:39] Speaker 9: energy and the only result for you at home is
[6:41] Speaker 9: you're paying higher power bills.
[6:44] Speaker 2: What the coalition in fighting?
[6:47] Speaker 3: That's the reason that my electricity bill hasn't dropped two
[6:50] Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five dollars as promised. If so, I
[6:53] Speaker 3: assume it's the same coalition in fighting that caused my
[6:57] Speaker 3: local medical center to giggle when I offered them my
[6:59] Speaker 3: Medicare carter's payment after seeing my GP last week. Honestly,
[7:03] Speaker 3: can someone please remind Claire O'Neill that the Coalition, well
[7:08] Speaker 3: they're not in government and they haven't been for more
[7:10] Speaker 3: than three years. Susan Lee and David Little Proud could
[7:14] Speaker 3: hold daily cage fights in the Liberal party room and
[7:17] Speaker 3: it wouldn't affect power prices a bit. Clar O'Neil should
[7:21] Speaker 3: have stopped talking, but she kept going.
[7:25] Speaker 9: The Liberal's decision to walk away from net zero is
[7:27] Speaker 9: not just about politics. Net zero means lower household energy costs.
[7:32] Speaker 9: Because our country is making the big investment in renewables,
[7:36] Speaker 9: we know we need to.
[7:37] Speaker 3: Make net zero means lower household energy costs.
[7:42] Speaker 2: Really, how's that working out for you?
[7:45] Speaker 3: Energy costs have gone up forty percent since labor came
[7:47] Speaker 3: to power.
[7:48] Speaker 2: I remember when they promised just the opposite.
[7:52] Speaker 8: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
[7:55] Speaker 8: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
[7:58] Speaker 11: By twenty twenty five. Two hundred and seven twenty five
[8:00] Speaker 11: dollars a year.
[8:01] Speaker 8: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
[8:05] Speaker 11: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars
[8:08] Speaker 11: a year.
[8:08] Speaker 8: Two hundred and seventy five dollars for the average house
[8:12] Speaker 8: lower in twenty twenty five than today.
[8:15] Speaker 2: You have to laugh.
[8:16] Speaker 3: Labor politicians telling us that net zero means cheaper power
[8:20] Speaker 3: bills reminds me of this British MP back in nineteen
[8:23] Speaker 3: ninety eight.
[8:25] Speaker 1: I will not accept that it's a highly dangerous road work.
[8:28] Speaker 1: It's finish.
[8:29] Speaker 12: The Central Reserve safety fencing will go ahead, yours.
[8:34] Speaker 13: Yeah, looking any.
[8:35] Speaker 2: One who's heard in the crash.
[8:38] Speaker 3: But back to Claire O'Neill, who didn't take long to
[8:41] Speaker 3: pivot to emotional black bail, as those without a winning
[8:45] Speaker 3: argument always do. Tucked up in her car, she insisted
[8:48] Speaker 3: that dealing with Australia's one percent of global carbon emissions
[8:53] Speaker 3: was key to saving the world.
[8:56] Speaker 9: And it's about making sure that we leave a liverable
[8:58] Speaker 9: planet for the next generation. What could matter more than that?
[9:02] Speaker 3: What could be more important than destroying our livelihoods for
[9:05] Speaker 3: virtually nothing?
[9:07] Speaker 2: Hmm?
[9:07] Speaker 3: Let me think, what about ensuring the next generation can
[9:11] Speaker 3: afford to turn the lights on? Like I said, Australia
[9:14] Speaker 3: could cease and assist all carbon emissions tomorrow and it
[9:18] Speaker 3: would make hardly any difference to global emissions. They continue
[9:21] Speaker 3: to go up, nor would it make a jot of
[9:24] Speaker 3: difference to global temperatures.
[9:25] Speaker 2: So no one's buying this.
[9:27] Speaker 3: We have to lower emissions to save the world nonsense anymore,
[9:31] Speaker 3: not even Bill Gates.
[9:33] Speaker 9: So when a major party steps away from the target
[9:35] Speaker 9: like this, it raises really big questions. Who is going
[9:37] Speaker 9: to make sure that Australia is competitive in what is
[9:40] Speaker 9: obviously a global clean energy race. Who is going to
[9:43] Speaker 9: make sure the communities don't get left behind? Most important
[9:47] Speaker 9: of all, what message are we sending to the young
[9:49] Speaker 9: people of this country, who are the ones that will
[9:51] Speaker 9: ultimately live with the consequences.
[9:54] Speaker 3: This is a lot Labour have come up with in
[9:56] Speaker 3: response to the coalition's energy policy, and it's just rubbish.
[9:59] Speaker 2: Who is going to make Australia competitive?
[10:02] Speaker 3: Well, right now, the government's net zero obsession is making
[10:05] Speaker 3: us utterly uncompetitive.
[10:07] Speaker 2: As for the global clean energy race, how's that going?
[10:11] Speaker 3: America has quietly wandered off the track, China's driving a
[10:14] Speaker 3: diesel tractor right down the middle of the track in Australia,
[10:17] Speaker 3: or West sprinting enthusiastically toward a cliff, as Donald Trump
[10:21] Speaker 3: so brilliantly described at the weekend to gb News. We've
[10:25] Speaker 3: been tricked into running a race where if we win, well,
[10:29] Speaker 3: we actually lose.
[10:31] Speaker 14: The whole thing is a hoax. And your country among others,
[10:36] Speaker 14: but your country is one of the worst. You talk
[10:38] Speaker 14: about UK, it's one of the worst in the world.
[10:42] Speaker 14: They believe this nonsense satisfaction. As an example, China very smart.
[10:48] Speaker 14: They sell they sell the windmills. Almost all of them
[10:51] Speaker 14: used to be German in China. Now it's mostly China.
[10:54] Speaker 14: And yet if you go around China you see almost
[10:56] Speaker 14: no wind farms. So they make the windmills and they
[10:59] Speaker 14: sell her to the buckers, you know, the super people,
[11:02] Speaker 14: but they don't have them themselves. They use oil and
[11:05] Speaker 14: gears that use call, but they don't use the wind.
[11:09] Speaker 3: To your mp Alegras Spender tweeted this at the weekend
[11:12] Speaker 3: and I quote, the Libs are playing culture wars with
[11:15] Speaker 3: energy policy and the country is worse for it. So
[11:20] Speaker 3: advocating for lower power prices is engaging in pointless culture wars.
[11:26] Speaker 3: By that logic, turning on your kettle is basically hate speech.
[11:30] Speaker 3: I always thought the Teals were out of touch with
[11:31] Speaker 3: ordinary Australians, but claiming the pursuit of cheaper electricity is
[11:35] Speaker 3: a culture war issue. Well, that simply beggars belief. And
[11:40] Speaker 3: then there was Labor MP Julian Hill. He went with
[11:42] Speaker 3: this quote, it's official. The extremists have now taken over
[11:47] Speaker 3: the Liberals. Well, if I were the liberals, I would
[11:50] Speaker 3: be loving that response. The Labor Party is now saying
[11:54] Speaker 3: that if you believe we should have affordable power, you're
[11:57] Speaker 3: an extremist. That's the response. That's the argument they're going
[12:02] Speaker 3: to make. Green Senator Sarah Hanson Young took it up
[12:06] Speaker 3: a not chez. The Greens are wont to do.
[12:09] Speaker 2: They look like a bunch of nutters.
[12:13] Speaker 3: All strong words from a woman who once waived the
[12:15] Speaker 3: dead salmon around in the Senate chamber like it was
[12:18] Speaker 3: the hammer of thor.
[12:20] Speaker 10: Forrow, often stinking and an attention.
[12:23] Speaker 2: Salmon, salmon again.
[12:27] Speaker 3: If I'm Susan Lee and David Little Proud tonight, I
[12:30] Speaker 3: am hugely encouraged. When Sarah Hanson Young calls you a nutter,
[12:35] Speaker 3: you know you're on the right track. But first prize
[12:38] Speaker 3: for invective goes to Treasurer Jim Charmers.
[12:41] Speaker 11: Susan Lee has caved to the smirking crackpots and cookers
[12:47] Speaker 11: in her own party. Now, this is not some temporary
[12:50] Speaker 11: phase that they're going through. This is not some temporary
[12:52] Speaker 11: lurch to the right. Over recent years, this Coalition has
[12:57] Speaker 11: become a party of extremists, and Australians would pay a
[13:01] Speaker 11: very hefty price for that extremeism.
[13:05] Speaker 3: While progressives call the Coalition nutters and cookers and crackpots
[13:09] Speaker 3: and extremists, the Coalition can simply well point at energy bills.
[13:14] Speaker 3: Chris Bowen told journalists at the weekend that he didn't
[13:17] Speaker 3: want this debate.
[13:19] Speaker 2: I bet he didn't, so we didn't seek this debate.
[13:23] Speaker 2: I would prefer a degreere bipartisanship about these matters. But
[13:26] Speaker 2: we won't be walking away from it.
[13:27] Speaker 3: We will make this argument every single day if the
[13:30] Speaker 3: Coalition wants this between now and the next election. And
[13:33] Speaker 3: then he got on a plane to fly to Brazil,
[13:36] Speaker 3: belching emissions all the way. This is the strongest polpicy
[13:40] Speaker 3: position the Coalition has taken in years. Cheaper energy, real
[13:45] Speaker 3: world economics, and a government whose only response is insults,
[13:50] Speaker 3: hysteria and renewable fairy tales. If the Coalition sticks with this,
[13:55] Speaker 3: if they actually commit I reckon, they can win the
[13:57] Speaker 3: argument and they just my win the next election. Well,
[14:06] Speaker 3: photos of some men who threw rocks at police during
[14:09] Speaker 3: a recent protest in Melbourne have been released to the public,
[14:13] Speaker 3: or at least these are men that the police would
[14:16] Speaker 3: like to speak to in relation.
[14:18] Speaker 2: To that rock throwing.
[14:19] Speaker 3: It's hoped that someone might be able to identify these men. Now,
[14:23] Speaker 3: this is a bold move from Victoria Police because to
[14:27] Speaker 3: identify someone well, you generally have to be able to
[14:30] Speaker 3: see them. Detective Inspector Jeff Ohen told The Herald's son
[14:34] Speaker 3: that police would not hesitate to arrest individuals if they
[14:38] Speaker 3: could be identified. It has being thrown rocks, which is
[14:42] Speaker 3: rather like saying we definitely catch Bigfoot if only we
[14:45] Speaker 3: knew what he looked like. He told journalists, and I quote,
[14:48] Speaker 3: there is absolutely no place for such antagonistic and volatile
[14:52] Speaker 3: behavior towards police. If you recognize any of the individuals pictured,
[14:58] Speaker 3: we urge you to come forward and speak with police. Well,
[15:02] Speaker 3: let's have a look at some of these mystery men,
[15:05] Speaker 3: shall we and see if we can help Victoria police.
[15:08] Speaker 2: Here's the first guy.
[15:10] Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I'd describe him as,
[15:13] Speaker 3: I don't know, completely unrecognizable. So if you happen to
[15:17] Speaker 3: know someone who looks exactly like nobody you've ever seen.
[15:21] Speaker 3: Victoria Police would love to hear from you. Admittedly, it's
[15:24] Speaker 3: going to be tough getting any leads on that guy. Police, however,
[15:29] Speaker 3: have higher hopes of catching the second suspect that they
[15:32] Speaker 3: would like to talk to in relation to that protest.
[15:36] Speaker 3: He's pictured here. Now you can have a good look
[15:40] Speaker 3: at that gentleman. And I guess if the lollipop man
[15:43] Speaker 3: at your local primary school has Nazis written on his
[15:47] Speaker 3: stop sign, well, it could be him. Then again, it
[15:50] Speaker 3: might just be a particularly committed history buff with boundary issues.
[15:54] Speaker 3: Proceed with caution. And finally, there's this guy scene here
[15:58] Speaker 3: addressed as if COVID was still a thing and airborne,
[16:02] Speaker 3: lurking in every coals aisle. If you spot him, I
[16:05] Speaker 3: suggest you do report him, even if he's not the
[16:07] Speaker 3: rock thrower. Anyone still wearing a mask outdoors in twenty
[16:10] Speaker 3: twenty five probably needs some kind of intervention. Here's the
[16:14] Speaker 3: thing I want to point out. These men who are
[16:17] Speaker 3: wanted for questioning in relation to rocks thrown at police
[16:21] Speaker 3: might have been identifiable if protesters weren't allowed to cover
[16:25] Speaker 3: their faces.
[16:27] Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Justinto.
[16:28] Speaker 3: Allen promised to change the law so that they would
[16:31] Speaker 3: be able to be identified. Of course, like most things
[16:35] Speaker 3: promised by the Victorian labor government, well.
[16:37] Speaker 2: It just never happened.
[16:39] Speaker 3: So instead, her police bosses are forced to put out
[16:42] Speaker 3: photos like those in the vain hope that members of
[16:45] Speaker 3: the public have I don't know, X ray vision. The
[16:48] Speaker 3: only thing more invisible than the suspects in this case
[16:52] Speaker 3: is government competence. Now, before we go to the break,
[17:01] Speaker 3: Pope Leo addressed leading Hollywood actors and filmmakers at the
[17:04] Speaker 3: Vatican over the weekend.
[17:06] Speaker 2: Hey, Hollywood needs God more than most.
[17:09] Speaker 3: So what does the leader of the Christian Church say
[17:12] Speaker 3: to a bunch of movie makers. Well, he encouraged them
[17:16] Speaker 3: to keep neighborhood cinemas alive. The local cinema, he said,
[17:20] Speaker 3: was an important way for people to come together. Fair enough,
[17:26] Speaker 3: and the Vatican released a list of the Pope's favorite
[17:29] Speaker 3: movies The Sound of Music, It's a Wonderful Life, and
[17:33] Speaker 3: Robert Redford's Ordinary People. Okay, here's what I don't understand.
[17:39] Speaker 3: You've got the leader of the Church speaking to the
[17:42] Speaker 3: who's who of Hollywood, and he doesn't think to mention
[17:46] Speaker 3: one of the most watched programs on television in recent years,
[17:50] Speaker 3: The Chosen. The Chosen is a global television phenomenon about
[17:54] Speaker 3: Jesus and his disciples that to date has been watched
[17:58] Speaker 3: by more than half a billion people.
[18:01] Speaker 2: And here's the thing.
[18:02] Speaker 3: The creator of this series, The Chosen had to crowdfund
[18:06] Speaker 3: in order to raise money to make the series because
[18:08] Speaker 3: no one in Hollywood would touch it. A woke version
[18:12] Speaker 3: of Snow White in which the Seven Dwarfs promote diversity. Well,
[18:16] Speaker 3: Hollywood couldn't throw enough money at that, even though it
[18:18] Speaker 3: completely tanked at the box office. It reminds me of
[18:22] Speaker 3: when Mel Gibson wanted to make The Passion of the Christ.
[18:25] Speaker 3: He had to pay for it himself because no one
[18:28] Speaker 3: in Hollywood was interested in making a movie about Jesus.
[18:32] Speaker 3: Of course, The Passion went on to become one of
[18:33] Speaker 3: the most successful movies of all time.
[18:36] Speaker 2: Now, far be it from me to do the work
[18:39] Speaker 2: of the Pope.
[18:40] Speaker 3: But if you've not watched The Chosen, can I just
[18:42] Speaker 3: say it's one of the best things on television right now.
[18:45] Speaker 3: I started watching it after foreign editor at The Australian,
[18:48] Speaker 3: Greg Sheridan recommended it and well, I've binge watched all
[18:53] Speaker 3: five series. Here's a taste.
[18:56] Speaker 2: My house should be called the house of prayer, but
[18:58] Speaker 2: you'll make it.
[18:59] Speaker 15: I done by what authority?
[19:03] Speaker 2: Are you doing of these things?
[19:09] Speaker 1: My own?
[19:13] Speaker 2: Slowly to God?
[19:17] Speaker 3: Now the Chosen starts slowly, but as the tension builds,
[19:20] Speaker 3: it's genuinely moving, intriguing and exciting, whether you're a person
[19:23] Speaker 3: of faith or not. And you know where it's been
[19:26] Speaker 3: especially popular in countries where Christianity is either banned.
[19:30] Speaker 2: Or heavily persecuted.
[19:32] Speaker 3: People who knew little of Christianity haven't been able to
[19:34] Speaker 3: get enough of it. Anyway, I just couldn't believe the
[19:37] Speaker 3: Pope had Hollywood in the room and didn't think to
[19:41] Speaker 3: mention one of the most successful TV series in recent times,
[19:44] Speaker 3: one they all declined to make because it was based
[19:48] Speaker 3: on the life of Jesus.
[19:50] Speaker 2: So here I am having to do the work of
[19:52] Speaker 2: the pope.
[19:53] Speaker 3: Honestly, it's a great TV series and one I can't
[19:55] Speaker 3: recommend highly enough, both as entertainment and as something that
[19:59] Speaker 3: might just your entire perspective on the world. Well, we're
[20:03] Speaker 3: going to go to a break and coming up in
[20:05] Speaker 3: just a moment, Penny Wong reckons Susan Lee is trying
[20:08] Speaker 3: to outflank Pauline Hansen on energy policy.
[20:12] Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask Lee Hanson what she thinks
[20:14] Speaker 2: of that.
[20:15] Speaker 3: Daniel Wilde, well, he's going to join me to ask
[20:18] Speaker 3: as well what Penny Wong has in her mind. And
[20:22] Speaker 3: I want to get his thoughts on Julie Gillard's claim
[20:24] Speaker 3: that the government's social media ban doesn't go far enough.
[20:28] Speaker 3: All of that and more with my panel in just
[20:30] Speaker 3: a moment. Well, the Coalition's move to dump its net
[20:39] Speaker 3: zero commitment has, as I said, been met with fierce
[20:41] Speaker 3: backlash from labor, though I don't think it's anything for
[20:44] Speaker 3: the Coalition to worry about. Speaking of which, here's what
[20:48] Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Penny Wong had to say this morning.
[20:52] Speaker 13: What has become of the Liberal Party? I mean, this
[20:54] Speaker 13: used to be a serious mainstream political party in this
[20:57] Speaker 13: country and now it is overrun by the fringe. They
[21:01] Speaker 13: are trying to outflank Pauline Hanson. And what I'd say
[21:05] Speaker 13: to Susan Lee and Andrew Hasty and to Angus Taylor
[21:09] Speaker 13: is you can't be more Pauline than Pauline.
[21:13] Speaker 3: Well joining me now is IPA Deputy Executive Director Dan
[21:16] Speaker 3: Wilde and wouldn't you know it? One Nation National Executive
[21:19] Speaker 3: Manager Lee Hanson.
[21:21] Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Lee, I've got to start with you.
[21:24] Speaker 3: Can you be more Pauline than Pauline?
[21:30] Speaker 10: Sorry, James, I have to laugh at this one.
[21:34] Speaker 16: When the guards upright, common sense and people are starting
[21:39] Speaker 16: to wake.
[21:39] Speaker 10: Up, they're running scared. So what do they do?
[21:42] Speaker 16: They start throwing attacks and start throwing names around and
[21:46] Speaker 16: making these sorts of statements. Instead, I say to the
[21:51] Speaker 16: government and to Penny Wong, how about you focus on
[21:55] Speaker 16: what's the balls in your court? How about your focus
[21:58] Speaker 16: on supporting Australians. How about you focus on you know,
[22:02] Speaker 16: mass immigration or managed immigration levels, or the cost of
[22:05] Speaker 16: living that is crippling Australia right now, or housing crisis
[22:09] Speaker 16: or homelessness instead of you know, spending eight trillion dollars,
[22:13] Speaker 16: for example, on the climate net zero hoax.
[22:17] Speaker 10: So it's just an indicator, that's all it is.
[22:20] Speaker 16: And it shows that people are starting to wake up
[22:22] Speaker 16: and they're running scared.
[22:23] Speaker 3: I reckon, You're absolutely right, Dan. Were you surprised at
[22:28] Speaker 3: the government's reaction? I mean I outlined quite a bit
[22:31] Speaker 3: of it at the top of the show. There was
[22:33] Speaker 3: so much smear and innuendo. And it wasn't just you know,
[22:36] Speaker 3: you're trying to be pulling Hansen. They were talking about
[22:40] Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce is now leading the Coalition's energy policy. I mean,
[22:44] Speaker 3: do they really think that this line of defense of
[22:48] Speaker 3: their own energy policy is going to cut the mustard
[22:51] Speaker 3: with Australians.
[22:54] Speaker 12: Well, they weren't expecting this to happen, that's the reality
[22:57] Speaker 12: of it, and they're running scared.
[22:59] Speaker 1: I mean, it's been fascinating.
[23:00] Speaker 12: They've sent out Penny Wong, Jim Chalmers, Chris Bowen and
[23:03] Speaker 12: Anthony Albernezi himself has gotten into the debate for the
[23:06] Speaker 12: first time since the election. You know, it's the first
[23:09] Speaker 12: time he's in broad himself in a domestic political matter
[23:12] Speaker 12: since then. So it shows that they're very, very worried
[23:15] Speaker 12: about this. It reminds me of the Voice a little bit.
[23:18] Speaker 12: With the Voice debate, Labor didn't believe that there would
[23:20] Speaker 12: be a no campaign. They didn't believe the Liberals would
[23:22] Speaker 12: go no, and they didn't believe that there would be
[23:24] Speaker 12: a spokesperson who could carry the campaign. So they were
[23:27] Speaker 12: wrong in all three And I guarantee you they weren't
[23:30] Speaker 12: thinking that the Liberal Party would dumb net zero this
[23:32] Speaker 12: early on in the piece. So what this shows is
[23:34] Speaker 12: that Labor knows that net zero is a complete dog.
[23:38] Speaker 12: They know it's a loser. They know they've got Chris Bowen,
[23:41] Speaker 12: who's one of the most underperforming parliamentarians in the current parliament,
[23:45] Speaker 12: in charge of it. It's all going to go to
[23:47] Speaker 12: custard over the next couple of years and they're very
[23:49] Speaker 12: worried about it. The Liberal Party just says to make
[23:51] Speaker 12: sure that they don't play the hokey pokey. They can't
[23:54] Speaker 12: do one foot in, one foot out. Just keep it
[23:57] Speaker 12: focused on net zero is bad, it's pushing your electricity prices.
[24:01] Speaker 12: Don't go down the rabbit hole of talking about emissions
[24:04] Speaker 12: or what you might do in government, because that's where
[24:05] Speaker 12: they came and stuck last time. Keep it focused on
[24:08] Speaker 12: Chris Bowen and the government. And I guarantee you the
[24:10] Speaker 12: government's going to fall over very quickly because net zero
[24:13] Speaker 12: is an indefensible policy that will not stand up to
[24:16] Speaker 12: a political contest.
[24:17] Speaker 3: Well, I agree, they are absolutely vulnerable on power prices.
[24:21] Speaker 2: No one can argue with that.
[24:23] Speaker 3: And whatever they say, we all get our bill at
[24:25] Speaker 3: home and we can read it as it is. I
[24:28] Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts on the Coalition announcement today.
[24:31] Speaker 3: Here's a bit of what Susan Lee and David little
[24:34] Speaker 3: Proud had to say.
[24:36] Speaker 17: We will prioritize affordable energy for households and businesses and
[24:41] Speaker 17: this is just so important.
[24:43] Speaker 5: Coalition has settled on a cheaper, better fairer way to
[24:47] Speaker 5: reduce emissions and to address the challenges of climate change.
[24:51] Speaker 5: This debate is not one predicated on science, it is
[24:54] Speaker 5: one predicated on economics.
[24:56] Speaker 3: Lee, let me start with you. What did you think
[24:58] Speaker 3: of the coalition announcement? Do you think they got it right?
[25:03] Speaker 10: I think they're halfway there.
[25:05] Speaker 16: Yes, energy price, the cost of energy and electricity needs
[25:10] Speaker 16: to be our first priority. Absolutely reliable baseload energy that
[25:16] Speaker 16: is affordable for families and for businesses and for industries,
[25:20] Speaker 16: and so it stopped shutting down our industries and smelters
[25:23] Speaker 16: like Tomicgo for example.
[25:25] Speaker 10: However, they're halfway there.
[25:27] Speaker 16: Yes, they're saying scrap net zero, but again they're still
[25:31] Speaker 16: committed to lowering emissions and the Paris Agreement. It's one
[25:35] Speaker 16: foot in, one foot out. Hokey pokey, as you say, Dan,
[25:38] Speaker 16: when really, where's their conviction I'm afraid that it's too
[25:42] Speaker 16: wishy washy.
[25:43] Speaker 10: I'm afraid at the end of the day, you.
[25:45] Speaker 16: Might move the twenty fifty target, but they're still trying
[25:48] Speaker 16: to reduce emissions, which is more taxes on Australia. We
[25:54] Speaker 16: need to focus on reducing cost of living, reliable baseload
[25:58] Speaker 16: power and one Nation is Deal. The only party that
[26:01] Speaker 16: is saying get out of the Paris Agreement, and we
[26:05] Speaker 16: will continue to fight for that. So yes, we're leading
[26:08] Speaker 16: the way and others are starting to follow, but they're
[26:11] Speaker 16: not quite convicted as far as we are.
[26:14] Speaker 3: I think you just agreed with Penny Wongley. You're arguing
[26:17] Speaker 3: the Coalition need to be more poorinance, and.
[26:20] Speaker 2: I would have agreed. I would have agreed with what
[26:23] Speaker 2: you said.
[26:24] Speaker 3: But I'm starting to change my mind and maybe Dan
[26:27] Speaker 3: you can help me on this.
[26:29] Speaker 2: I think they.
[26:30] Speaker 3: Should just pull out of Parasol together as well. Except
[26:34] Speaker 3: by remaining in the Paris Agreement, have they nullified the
[26:37] Speaker 3: obvious attack that would have come. You don't believe in
[26:40] Speaker 3: the science, you don't believe in climate change, you don't
[26:43] Speaker 3: care about the environment. By remaining in the Paris Agreement,
[26:47] Speaker 3: the Coalition can argue no no, we still believe in
[26:50] Speaker 3: the science. We still want to reduce emissions. We're just
[26:53] Speaker 3: prioritizing cost first, and they can quarantine the argument to
[26:59] Speaker 3: the cost of electricity rather than going over the old
[27:03] Speaker 3: arguments reclimate science. Have they been smart on this or
[27:07] Speaker 3: do you agree with Lee that they're doing the hokey pokey.
[27:13] Speaker 1: Well, they're at risk of doing the hokey pokey.
[27:14] Speaker 12: I think you know, if you're a regular punter, I'm
[27:17] Speaker 12: not sure the Paris Climate Agreement means a lot to
[27:19] Speaker 12: you in your day to day life. I agree we
[27:20] Speaker 12: should not be in the Paris Climate Agreement. I've made
[27:22] Speaker 12: that argument since today we signed up to it. And
[27:25] Speaker 12: by the way, the Paris Climate Agreement actually actually allows
[27:28] Speaker 12: you to leave the agreement after three years anyway, so
[27:30] Speaker 12: you can leave the agreement and still be consistent with
[27:33] Speaker 12: its terms, which is an interesting point that hasn't really
[27:35] Speaker 12: been brought up. And no one's meeting their Paris Climate
[27:37] Speaker 12: Agreement targets anyway, so you sort of look at it
[27:39] Speaker 12: and say, well, why are we doing it? So those
[27:42] Speaker 12: are the arguments I'd be making in that regard. But
[27:45] Speaker 12: look what the coalition has to do is it actually
[27:47] Speaker 12: has to tell people how are they going to get
[27:49] Speaker 12: prices down. They don't have to do it now, but
[27:51] Speaker 12: sometime before the election they'll have to have a plan
[27:54] Speaker 12: for how they're going to do it.
[27:55] Speaker 1: And this was the mistake they made before the last election.
[27:58] Speaker 12: They said, look, we're going to do a nuclear power
[28:00] Speaker 12: because it's going to get prices down and it's going.
[28:02] Speaker 1: To cut emissions.
[28:03] Speaker 12: Well the problem is it was like, well, when are
[28:05] Speaker 12: you going to do it, or maybe ten years time,
[28:07] Speaker 12: how are you going to get the legislation through the Senate,
[28:09] Speaker 12: Or we're not too sure how much is it going
[28:10] Speaker 12: to cost, or we're not too sure where you're going
[28:13] Speaker 12: to build it. Well we've got seven communities, but we
[28:15] Speaker 12: haven't really talked to them yet, so you know, they
[28:17] Speaker 12: didn't really explain on day one under a coalition government,
[28:21] Speaker 12: this is what we're going to do. So they can't
[28:23] Speaker 12: make that same mistake again. And what worries me is
[28:25] Speaker 12: every time David Little prowd says climate change, the primary
[28:29] Speaker 12: vote goes down again. So they've just got to keep
[28:31] Speaker 12: it focused on getting prices down, explain to Australians how
[28:34] Speaker 12: they're going to do it, and as I said before,
[28:36] Speaker 12: keep the heat on the government.
[28:38] Speaker 3: You know, the thing that annoyed me watching the media
[28:40] Speaker 3: conferences over the last couple of days with a coalition
[28:43] Speaker 3: is the way the media have just gone hammer and
[28:46] Speaker 3: tong at Little Proud and at Susan Lee about well,
[28:50] Speaker 3: how are you going to do this? How are you
[28:51] Speaker 3: going to make prices cheaper? How are you going to
[28:53] Speaker 3: bring electricity costs down?
[28:55] Speaker 18: And Lee?
[28:56] Speaker 3: I'm sitting there watching these press conferences thinking where have
[28:59] Speaker 3: these journalists been with their interrogation of the government. The
[29:02] Speaker 3: government for the last three and a half years have
[29:05] Speaker 3: promised lower prices while presiding over increasing prices, but they
[29:09] Speaker 3: haven't seemed to get half the grilling that the coalition
[29:12] Speaker 3: have gotten over the last couple of days.
[29:15] Speaker 16: That's correct, And who's controlling the narrative here, James, We
[29:19] Speaker 16: see it all the time, particularly mainstream media. We know
[29:22] Speaker 16: the narrative that is pushed and where it's driven from. Look,
[29:27] Speaker 16: we do need to ask the questions. I completely agree
[29:29] Speaker 16: it should absolutely.
[29:31] Speaker 10: Been asked from the Labor government.
[29:33] Speaker 16: In regards to the claims that renewable energy still is
[29:39] Speaker 16: the cheapest form of energy, we know that's not the
[29:41] Speaker 16: case and energy bills have risen. What forty percent since
[29:45] Speaker 16: renewables have been pushed into place within net zero. So, yes,
[29:48] Speaker 16: questions need to be asked on the same from both sides,
[29:52] Speaker 16: and I agree, the Liberal and the National. So the
[29:54] Speaker 16: coalition absolutely needs to make sure that they can validate
[29:58] Speaker 16: and they can verify how if they're going to say
[30:01] Speaker 16: they're going to lower energy prices, how is that? What's
[30:05] Speaker 16: their makeup? How much is it going to cost? And
[30:08] Speaker 16: I also just want to add your comment before about
[30:11] Speaker 16: you know, this this feeling or this sense or about
[30:15] Speaker 16: if you don't believe in the Paris Agreement or net
[30:18] Speaker 16: zero means you don't care about the environment is absolute rubbish.
[30:22] Speaker 16: You know, the environment is a very precious thing that
[30:25] Speaker 16: we need to protect and it is okay, and there
[30:29] Speaker 16: are other means to care for our environment we should
[30:32] Speaker 16: be focused on over taxes, right, taxes is not the
[30:36] Speaker 16: way to protect our environment through emission control. We need
[30:40] Speaker 16: other measures in place.
[30:41] Speaker 10: How about we focus on pollution.
[30:43] Speaker 16: How about we focus on other measures in our waterways,
[30:46] Speaker 16: et cetera. It's not the net zero scam that we're
[30:49] Speaker 16: led to believe. We've got a fair bit of myth
[30:51] Speaker 16: busting when it comes to this one.
[30:53] Speaker 3: There's a lot of myth busting to do if the
[30:55] Speaker 3: Coalition are going to break through, that's for sure now.
[30:58] Speaker 3: As well as that commitment to ditching net zero today,
[31:01] Speaker 3: Susan Lee also pledged a pathway back to what she
[31:04] Speaker 3: calls common sense in reducing migration levels.
[31:07] Speaker 2: Here's what she had to say.
[31:09] Speaker 17: In the coming weeks, we will release a migration policy,
[31:13] Speaker 17: the broad principles of such a policy that demonstrates what
[31:17] Speaker 17: I have said from the get go, which is that
[31:20] Speaker 17: this country's migration numbers are far too high and this
[31:25] Speaker 17: needs to be addressed as a priority.
[31:29] Speaker 3: Dan The most recent analysis from the IPA found the
[31:31] Speaker 3: first three quarters of this year saw the highest number
[31:35] Speaker 3: of permanent and long term arrivals ever and it's something
[31:38] Speaker 3: the majority of Australians aren't happy about. This is a
[31:41] Speaker 3: big issue and Susan Lee's getting her ducks in a
[31:44] Speaker 3: row for a real assault on the government here.
[31:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
[31:49] Speaker 12: Look, I think it's been a good couple of days
[31:51] Speaker 12: for Susan Lee on the net zero now talking about
[31:53] Speaker 12: migration now, obviously the devil will be in the detail,
[31:56] Speaker 12: but immigration is one of the top issues for Australians.
[32:00] Speaker 12: So many dimensions of our lives, the economical the pressure
[32:04] Speaker 12: on social services, on roads, on schools and so forth.
[32:07] Speaker 12: So it's sort of a catch all a policy. And
[32:11] Speaker 12: you're right, we are at record numbers. The long term
[32:14] Speaker 12: and permanent arrivals is a leading indicator of the net
[32:16] Speaker 12: overseas migration number. You'll hear Tony Burke talking about a
[32:20] Speaker 12: one hundred and eighty thousand permanent migrant figure.
[32:23] Speaker 1: That's a furfey.
[32:24] Speaker 12: The actual figure that matters is your net overseas and
[32:26] Speaker 12: migration net overseas migration number, which in the past has
[32:29] Speaker 12: been four.
[32:30] Speaker 1: Or five hundred thousand under this government.
[32:32] Speaker 12: Now they claim that in the past financial year it's
[32:35] Speaker 12: going to be down, but you know, we'll wait and
[32:36] Speaker 12: see what the final numbers have there. But at the
[32:39] Speaker 12: end of the day, there's two things that the coal
[32:41] Speaker 12: Is should need to do. They need to expose the
[32:43] Speaker 12: lives behind the numbers that labor is putting out because
[32:46] Speaker 12: they're false. And number two, they need to put a
[32:49] Speaker 12: number out themselves, which is going to be a very
[32:51] Speaker 12: big cut and to take place immediately. And they need
[32:55] Speaker 12: to stare down Treasury who always say if you cut immigration,
[32:59] Speaker 12: you're going to get recession.
[33:00] Speaker 1: That's completely false.
[33:01] Speaker 12: What matters is our day to day lives, and in
[33:05] Speaker 12: a per capita sense, we're already in a recession and
[33:07] Speaker 12: a big part of that is precisely because of mass migration. So,
[33:10] Speaker 12: just like with net zero, if you say you're going
[33:13] Speaker 12: to cut immigration numbers, the establishment media and all of
[33:16] Speaker 12: the usual types are going to come at you with
[33:18] Speaker 12: the kitchen sink, And the Coalition needs to be prepared
[33:21] Speaker 12: to engage in a long term, sustained campaign and stare
[33:24] Speaker 12: down the self interested activists. So they're going to need
[33:27] Speaker 12: a spokesperson that's going to be willing to do that.
[33:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, they absolutely will, and you can just hear the
[33:32] Speaker 3: cries of racist that will come from the government. I
[33:36] Speaker 3: know Julian Hill has already said the Coalition we're going
[33:39] Speaker 3: to engage in US style lies and fear lee. What's
[33:44] Speaker 3: the smart way for the Coalition to prosecute the case
[33:47] Speaker 3: of drastic cuts to immigration while avoiding being called.
[33:52] Speaker 2: Racist and divisive. What's the best way for them to
[33:55] Speaker 2: prosecute this case.
[33:58] Speaker 16: Look, we're always going to get the racist and devices
[34:04] Speaker 16: slogans thrown at us, and that's from the left. We
[34:06] Speaker 16: know that that's their tactic. But at the end of
[34:08] Speaker 16: the day, whether it be the coalition, just like one nation,
[34:12] Speaker 16: you need to focus on the facts and you need
[34:14] Speaker 16: to focus on.
[34:15] Speaker 10: The key information.
[34:16] Speaker 16: So I agree with you Dan absolutely about getting the
[34:18] Speaker 16: real numbers out there in regards to what is.
[34:21] Speaker 10: Happening with immigration is important.
[34:24] Speaker 16: We need to have a realistic target and we need
[34:26] Speaker 16: to explain and make sure people understand in real life
[34:30] Speaker 16: examples the impact mass immigration. And when we break that
[34:35] Speaker 16: down further, what does mass immigration mean. It doesn't mean
[34:37] Speaker 16: no immigration. It means managed and sustainable levels of immigration.
[34:42] Speaker 16: So if one nation, for example, our policy is let's
[34:46] Speaker 16: cap it at about one hundred and thirty thousand a year.
[34:49] Speaker 10: That way, if you'd look at the amount of.
[34:51] Speaker 16: Deaths that we have in this country and people leaving
[34:53] Speaker 16: this country, about one thirty works about neutral and the
[34:56] Speaker 16: sense of still being able.
[34:58] Speaker 10: To bring in skilled migrants.
[35:00] Speaker 16: So it's not only about the volume of migration we need,
[35:04] Speaker 16: but it's about the capability high capability of migrants coming
[35:07] Speaker 16: in and also aligned to our country culturally, respect our
[35:12] Speaker 16: laws and our way of life and our Australian values.
[35:15] Speaker 16: So if we focus on the core components and how
[35:18] Speaker 16: the mass immigration is impacting and regarding housing, cost of living,
[35:22] Speaker 16: strain on infrastructure, education and the works.
[35:27] Speaker 10: Those are the things we need to focus on.
[35:28] Speaker 16: Let's get our people off the streets being homeless and
[35:31] Speaker 16: fa family sleeping in cars and focus on Australia first
[35:35] Speaker 16: and foremost those that are already here.
[35:38] Speaker 3: Well, while we're talking about immigration, the AFP have worn
[35:41] Speaker 3: that forced marriages are becoming a real problem across Sydney.
[35:45] Speaker 3: A senior AFP officer has told The Daily Telegraph there's
[35:48] Speaker 3: one report of a forced marriage that this is not
[35:51] Speaker 3: arranged marriages. These are forced marriages. There's one report in
[35:54] Speaker 3: Sydney every three days that the AFP have referred to them.
[35:58] Speaker 3: It typically involves girls aged fifteen to seventeen being taken
[36:02] Speaker 3: overseas for a marriage they either did not understand or
[36:06] Speaker 3: did not consent to, and police have given instructions to
[36:10] Speaker 3: schools to be on the lookout for signs of forced marriage. Lee,
[36:14] Speaker 3: can you believe this is happening in Australia.
[36:19] Speaker 16: James, It just breaks my heart, you know, to hear
[36:21] Speaker 16: about this happening here in our country, in Australia. You
[36:26] Speaker 16: know the average person would be oblivious to this as
[36:29] Speaker 16: before I got involved in politics, you wouldn't believe it
[36:32] Speaker 16: that it's happening around your neighborhood. It is deeply, deeply
[36:35] Speaker 16: concerning and we need to enact on it. And the
[36:38] Speaker 16: AFPR and I appreciate this, but you're right, you need
[36:42] Speaker 16: to unpack that a little bit further. You know, if
[36:45] Speaker 16: what the AFP has said is that these fifteen to
[36:48] Speaker 16: seventeen year old girls are being taken forcibly overseas to
[36:52] Speaker 16: get married and then come back, then it starts to
[36:54] Speaker 16: make you think about what's the root cause of what's
[36:57] Speaker 16: causing this or where is this coming from?
[37:00] Speaker 10: You know, immigration. We need to make.
[37:02] Speaker 16: Sure that people are culturally aligned to our way of
[37:06] Speaker 16: life and our laws here in Australia, and if you're not,
[37:09] Speaker 16: then we need to come down pretty hard.
[37:11] Speaker 10: Because this is not acceptable.
[37:13] Speaker 16: You know, forced marriages is not okay in this country.
[37:17] Speaker 16: It does not align with our values. So wholeheartedly back
[37:21] Speaker 16: the AFP and this one in cracking down on it
[37:24] Speaker 16: and getting the education out there and particularly the schools
[37:27] Speaker 16: which they're focusing on, which is trying to look for
[37:29] Speaker 16: the indicators, the alarm bells and the warning signs. We
[37:33] Speaker 16: all need to be aware of this and look out
[37:35] Speaker 16: ourselves as well.
[37:36] Speaker 3: And just really quickly before we go to a break.
[37:38] Speaker 3: Successive governments have prided themselves on having a non discriminatory
[37:42] Speaker 3: immigration policy. Is this perhaps a reason to reconsider that.
[37:50] Speaker 12: Well, I think it's as Lee said, it's about Australian values.
[37:53] Speaker 12: That's the that's the found uh, that's the foundation that
[37:56] Speaker 12: needs to be applied here. So I think anyone can
[37:59] Speaker 12: come provide that they're willing to adopt and abide by
[38:02] Speaker 12: Australian values, and we need to actually take the citizenship
[38:05] Speaker 12: oath seriously. At the moment it's not enforced seriously. A
[38:08] Speaker 12: lot of people taking it, i'd have to say, aren't
[38:12] Speaker 12: necessarily serious about it. And I think the main point
[38:15] Speaker 12: I would say is that the vast majority of migrants
[38:17] Speaker 12: come here to join Australia, to be a part of
[38:19] Speaker 12: Australia and not to change Australia. But certainly those who
[38:22] Speaker 12: are coming here with the intent of changing and not integrating,
[38:25] Speaker 12: well we need to give consideration to that.
[38:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said Daniel Wild Lee Hanson. A delight to
[38:30] Speaker 3: talk to you both, Thanks so much for coming on
[38:32] Speaker 3: the program. Well, we're going to go to a break
[38:35] Speaker 3: when we come back. Donald Trump poised to launch a
[38:38] Speaker 3: billion dollar defamation suit against the BBC, and a lot
[38:41] Speaker 3: of Brits are cheering for Trump as well. Kirs Starmer,
[38:45] Speaker 3: pulling at just eighteen percent, looks certain to face a
[38:48] Speaker 3: leadership challenge. Mark Doland from the UK will join me
[38:52] Speaker 3: with all of that and more after this welcome back
[38:59] Speaker 3: to the program. Donald Trump is gearing up for a
[39:01] Speaker 3: massive legal battle with the BBC, seeking billions in damages
[39:06] Speaker 3: after the broadcaster admitted to mishandling it's an understatement. A
[39:11] Speaker 3: clip of one of his speeches, something that has already
[39:13] Speaker 3: claimed the job of two senior executives. Here is Donald
[39:17] Speaker 3: Trump talking about the ordeal.
[39:20] Speaker 14: I'm not looking to get into lusus, but I don't
[39:22] Speaker 14: think I have an obligation that this was so egregious.
[39:25] Speaker 14: If you don't do it, you don't stop it from
[39:28] Speaker 14: happening again with other people. I think you probably have
[39:31] Speaker 14: an obligation.
[39:32] Speaker 3: Joining me now from the UK is Talk TV host
[39:35] Speaker 3: Mark Dolan. Mark, thanks for coming on the program. The
[39:38] Speaker 3: BBC have hardly been repentant for misrepresenting Trump. It was
[39:43] Speaker 3: a bit more than a mistake. Can you understand Trump's
[39:46] Speaker 3: desire to sue.
[39:49] Speaker 15: Most definitely. I mean, what's great about this story, James,
[39:52] Speaker 15: is that the leftist group think that dominates the BBC
[39:56] Speaker 15: has been outed and it's being exposed by the most
[39:59] Speaker 15: f famous man in the world, the most powerful man
[40:02] Speaker 15: of the world, Donald Trump. And in Britain, we are
[40:05] Speaker 15: celebrating the fact that at last we have an accountability
[40:10] Speaker 15: for an organization that we're obliged to pay a compulsory
[40:13] Speaker 15: tax for just to own a TV. And you don't
[40:15] Speaker 15: mess with Trump, you know, you do so at your peril.
[40:18] Speaker 2: He's very angry about this.
[40:20] Speaker 15: It's become a diplomatic incident, and I think he's going
[40:24] Speaker 15: to be successful in changing the culture of the BBC
[40:27] Speaker 15: because it's just exposed public anger about this organization that
[40:31] Speaker 15: for years has been gaslighting the public, whether it's COVID measures,
[40:34] Speaker 15: whether it's net zero, it's examples of bias are now
[40:38] Speaker 15: legion and at last we're having this conversation.
[40:41] Speaker 3: Well, he says that one of the reasons he wants
[40:44] Speaker 3: to sue, and he's talking about up to five billion
[40:47] Speaker 3: dollars in damages, is he hardly needs some money, but
[40:51] Speaker 3: he says he wants to stop this sort of thing
[40:53] Speaker 3: being repeated, and I don't know, maybe it will work
[40:57] Speaker 3: because he listen to this sort of clip from c
[40:59] Speaker 3: and INN recently.
[41:01] Speaker 19: And we do want to be clear the President Trump
[41:03] Speaker 19: did not receive or send any of the messages which
[41:06] Speaker 19: Larlie predated his time as president. He's not been accused
[41:09] Speaker 19: of any criminal wrongdoing in connection with Epstein or Maxwell Mark.
[41:13] Speaker 3: If you heard CNN be so careful that they seem
[41:17] Speaker 3: petrified of any potential lawsuits coming their way. So maybe, right,
[41:21] Speaker 3: maybe Trump could change some of the media culture.
[41:24] Speaker 15: Yes, and it's not about becoming pro Trump, James, you know,
[41:28] Speaker 15: Donald Trump is a flawed human being. He's a flawed politician.
[41:31] Speaker 15: He's far from perfect. And in fact, with that doctored
[41:34] Speaker 15: clip of January the sixth, you know, there are arguments
[41:38] Speaker 15: we made about whether or not his remarks were inappropriate
[41:41] Speaker 15: and whether or not he incited violence. They didn't need
[41:44] Speaker 15: to stitch it up in a way that was so misleading.
[41:46] Speaker 15: Allow the facts to present themselves. That's what you do
[41:49] Speaker 15: on Sky and New Australia is you win our arguments
[41:52] Speaker 15: and you have debates based upon facts. And that's what's
[41:55] Speaker 15: at stake here. It is the truth and it's so
[41:56] Speaker 15: unfortunate that BBC, which is basically be the arbiters of truth,
[42:00] Speaker 15: have been found to be so dishonest. And you mentioned
[42:03] Speaker 15: earlier the apology, the merely mouth apology from the BBC,
[42:07] Speaker 15: demonstrating chains they are in denial about the extent of
[42:11] Speaker 15: bias within their midst and that particular apology letter that's
[42:16] Speaker 15: what my sixteen year old son would describe as sorry,
[42:20] Speaker 15: not sorry.
[42:21] Speaker 3: I reckon A five billion dollar lawsuit might shake you
[42:25] Speaker 3: out of your denial. I want to play you a
[42:28] Speaker 3: clip from UK Prime Minister Liz Truss because she says
[42:31] Speaker 3: a lot of Brits and you said it earlier, they're
[42:34] Speaker 3: cheering Trump on in his lawsuit.
[42:36] Speaker 18: Hever listen, there are lots of people in Britain who
[42:39] Speaker 18: are cheering President Trump on and who want him to
[42:43] Speaker 18: see the BBC because they're a huge problem. They've lied,
[42:46] Speaker 18: they've cheated, they've fiddled with footage, both in the case
[42:51] Speaker 18: of President Trump, but also covering up what's happening in Britain,
[42:55] Speaker 18: whether it's mass migration, whether it's our economic problems.
[43:00] Speaker 10: They are always biased towards the.
[43:01] Speaker 18: Left, and the British taxpayer has had to pay for
[43:05] Speaker 18: all of this fake news.
[43:07] Speaker 2: So there you go.
[43:08] Speaker 3: Former PM is trust that. The irony here, of course,
[43:12] Speaker 3: is that if Trump is successful in suing the BBC,
[43:16] Speaker 3: it's British taxpayers will have to foot the bill, right.
[43:20] Speaker 15: Well, hopefully not James, because yes, on paper, we'd be
[43:23] Speaker 15: on the hook for those millions of dollars and it's
[43:25] Speaker 15: likely that there will be some kind of settlement. I
[43:28] Speaker 15: don't think Donald is going to get his five billion,
[43:31] Speaker 15: but he may get several million, as he did from
[43:33] Speaker 15: two US broadcasters after they misrepresented him.
[43:36] Speaker 2: And I think the money.
[43:38] Speaker 15: Has got to come from the budget of the BBC,
[43:40] Speaker 15: which is enormous. Okay, So they overall they receive around
[43:44] Speaker 15: three and a half billion pounds from taxpayers and an
[43:48] Speaker 15: extra two billion from selling their formats around the world,
[43:51] Speaker 15: so they got deep pockets. All they got to do
[43:53] Speaker 15: to settle any bill is to cut the salaries of
[43:56] Speaker 15: their overpaid stars, who would never get that kind of
[43:59] Speaker 15: cash in the private sector, and to get rid of
[44:03] Speaker 15: some of those middle managers swanning around in Armani suits,
[44:07] Speaker 15: who do very little for an enormous amount of cash.
[44:10] Speaker 3: All right, moving on from the BBC, I want to
[44:12] Speaker 3: ask you about Prime Minister Kirs Starmer. Will he take
[44:15] Speaker 3: the government to the next election is personal approval rating
[44:18] Speaker 3: is the lowest of NYPM since nineteen seventy seven, and
[44:23] Speaker 3: the government's vote is at eighteen percent. There are reports
[44:26] Speaker 3: today that former deputy leader Angela Rayner has been promising
[44:30] Speaker 3: cabinet positions in exchange for support at a leadership tilt.
[44:34] Speaker 3: How serious is this?
[44:36] Speaker 2: It's very serious.
[44:37] Speaker 15: Indeed, since Labor won the election in July of twenty
[44:40] Speaker 15: twenty four, everything has got worse in the country. Unemployment
[44:44] Speaker 15: is our, inflation is up, government borrowing is up, and
[44:47] Speaker 15: growth is down. The guy is struggling. He's not a
[44:51] Speaker 15: gifted communicator. But if the metrics were better, if the
[44:54] Speaker 15: economy was growing, if people felt like we were going
[44:57] Speaker 15: in the right direction, he'd be okay. But what you
[44:59] Speaker 15: got to a perfect storm of his political ineptitude and
[45:03] Speaker 15: the raw numbers. So I do think he's on borrowed time.
[45:07] Speaker 15: Just before I came on air, a political insider told me,
[45:10] Speaker 15: very close to the number ten machine, that he's got
[45:13] Speaker 15: less than a year. There are major elections in May
[45:16] Speaker 15: of next year, local elections around the country. Labor expected
[45:20] Speaker 15: to be eviscerated at which point he's under pressure. And
[45:23] Speaker 15: there is this flamehead politician who's sitting on the back bench.
[45:26] Speaker 15: She's called Angela Rayner, who in many ways is a
[45:29] Speaker 15: sort of Trumpian figure on the left. She's fearless, she's confident,
[45:33] Speaker 15: she's charismatic, and she's got her eye on the big job.
[45:36] Speaker 15: And let me tell you, Jans Stranger, things have happened.
[45:39] Speaker 2: Well just quickly, we're about to go to a break.
[45:41] Speaker 3: But if she was to be successful, I mean, would
[45:45] Speaker 3: voters find her more palatable than secure Stama What?
[45:49] Speaker 15: She's a more gifted communicator, she's more charismatic, she's great
[45:53] Speaker 15: at making headlines, and she's got a great backstory, having
[45:56] Speaker 15: had humble origins rather than being a dusty lawyer like
[46:00] Speaker 15: here Starmer. But the problem you've got this is deck
[46:02] Speaker 15: chairs on the Titanic, James right. If she replaces Starmer,
[46:06] Speaker 15: we're going to probably shift more to the left on
[46:08] Speaker 15: immigration and the economy, which means things will get worse
[46:12] Speaker 15: rather than better. So whatever happens, Starmer's probably got a
[46:15] Speaker 15: year max and labor will be out at the next election,
[46:19] Speaker 15: no question about that whatsoever.
[46:21] Speaker 3: Mark Doland, I really enjoy talking to you. Thanks so
[46:23] Speaker 3: much for joining me tonight. It's an absolute pleasure to
[46:25] Speaker 3: have you on the program. Well, we're going to go
[46:28] Speaker 3: to a break, but still to come. You've heard of
[46:30] Speaker 3: Trump derangement syndrome. After the break, a doctor says seventy
[46:33] Speaker 3: five percent of his patients are suffering from it. That's next,
[46:42] Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Now, if you're on social media,
[46:45] Speaker 3: you would be very familiar with Trump derangement syndrome.
[46:49] Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard of it.
[46:50] Speaker 3: It's basically the idea that Donald Trump drives lefties crazy. Now,
[46:56] Speaker 3: if you're not familiar with Trump derangement syndrome, here's a
[46:59] Speaker 3: fairly typical case. And I should point out that's a
[47:16] Speaker 3: fairly mild version of this condition. What fascinates me is
[47:21] Speaker 3: that psychologists are starting to take Trump derangement syndrome seriously.
[47:26] Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
[47:27] Speaker 3: Psychotherapist Jonathan Elpert was on Fox News at the weekend
[47:32] Speaker 3: and he says that not only is Trump derangement syndrome real,
[47:36] Speaker 3: he reckons seventy five percent of his patients suffer from
[47:39] Speaker 3: what he calls a hyper fixation on the US President.
[47:44] Speaker 6: They can't sleep, they feel traumatized by mister Trump. They
[47:48] Speaker 6: feel restless. I had one patient who said she couldn't
[47:51] Speaker 6: enjoy a vacation because anytime she saw Trump and the
[47:55] Speaker 6: news or on her device, she felt triggered. So this
[47:58] Speaker 6: is a profound pathology, and I would even go so
[48:02] Speaker 6: far as to call it the defining pathology of our time.
[48:06] Speaker 3: When you despise someone so deeply that your life falls apart, well,
[48:11] Speaker 3: the villain of the piece might not be the one
[48:13] Speaker 3: in the White House.
[48:15] Speaker 6: Three quarters of my patients will present with a lot
[48:18] Speaker 6: of these symptoms, and within probably five minutes of seeing me,
[48:23] Speaker 6: their hatred for Trump comes up. So if you're that
[48:26] Speaker 6: hyper focused on Trump, that's a real issue and it's
[48:29] Speaker 6: worth being treated.
[48:31] Speaker 3: I can't believe they're actually suggesting that people might need
[48:34] Speaker 3: treatment for Trump derangement syndrome.
[48:37] Speaker 2: What would the treatment be?
[48:39] Speaker 3: I reckon Maybe a good first step would be turning
[48:41] Speaker 3: off CNN and maybe MSNBC, and then maybe recognizing that
[48:46] Speaker 3: being offended by absolutely everything is not so much a
[48:50] Speaker 3: political stance. It's more just an exhausting hobby that I
[48:53] Speaker 3: think secretly and perversely.
[48:55] Speaker 2: Some people actually enjoy.
[48:58] Speaker 3: Anyway, there you go, the defining condition of our time.
[49:00] Speaker 3: Trump derangement syndrome. Interesting times we live in. Thanks for
[49:05] Speaker 3: your company tonight. It's been a delight to fill in
[49:07] Speaker 3: for Paul Murray. But here'll be back tomorrow in the
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