# Paul Murray Live | 26 March

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 26 Mar 2026, 49 min.

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Labor dances around Australia's fuel supply issue, Central West farmers warn of food price rises amid crippling fuel crisis. Plus, Pauline Hanson's One Nation surges against Labor in latest Sky News Pulse Poll. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Sherry. We'll see you again next Monday here
[0:09] Speaker 1: on Sky News as always a wonderful week of shows.
[0:12] Speaker 1: Let's get straight into this this evening where yeah, we
[0:14] Speaker 1: have to talk about petrol, but there's more details to
[0:17] Speaker 1: tell you. In fact, in a couple of minutes, i'll
[0:19] Speaker 1: tell you about exactly where in Australia they are starting
[0:22] Speaker 1: to do voluntary caps on how much you can perch job.
[0:25] Speaker 1: But there's no crisis, right, there's nothing to see here,
[0:28] Speaker 1: But of course there's plenty to see here. We know
[0:31] Speaker 1: how high all of the petrol prices are, and even
[0:33] Speaker 1: if the war stops tomorrow, this goes on for weeks.
[0:38] Speaker 2: Banana and avocado grow up. Paul Shoka pays for his
[0:41] Speaker 2: produce to be freighted to the cities.
[0:44] Speaker 1: From initially a dollars seventy to now we're paying three
[0:47] Speaker 1: dollars twenty eight for fil delivered on far. We will
[0:50] Speaker 1: get to a point.
[0:51] Speaker 3: Where we have to make the decision whether we continue
[0:53] Speaker 3: to harvest our crop.
[0:54] Speaker 2: Arlie is a food delivery driver in the West. He
[0:58] Speaker 2: fills up twice a week.
[1:00] Speaker 3: It will to take a big toll on the company,
[1:02] Speaker 3: especially having about another nine ten cars on the road.
[1:04] Speaker 2: At Muhammad Marlick's Indian restaurant in Auburn, costs have risen
[1:08] Speaker 2: by five hundred dollars a week.
[1:11] Speaker 4: My bother is discussing to increase our price even for
[1:14] Speaker 4: the food as well.
[1:16] Speaker 1: This is the thing. It's a problem. It's a problem everywhere.
[1:18] Speaker 1: And yes we know why I thinks are particularly spiking
[1:21] Speaker 1: right now. It is, of course everything to do with
[1:23] Speaker 1: the war, no question about it. But I'm sorry, I'm
[1:26] Speaker 1: going to double down on the idea that, as you know,
[1:30] Speaker 1: the three great stewards of the Australian economy, the Prime Minister,
[1:34] Speaker 1: the Treasurer and TOTO, well they take fifty two cents
[1:38] Speaker 1: of every single liter of every single type of fuel
[1:42] Speaker 1: in the country. That makes them well, this is the
[1:46] Speaker 1: ATO data. So everyone doesn't think we're just pulling these numbers.
[1:50] Speaker 1: This went up in February, it'll go up again in September.
[1:53] Speaker 1: This will of course put together an unbelievable seventeen point
[1:58] Speaker 1: six billion dollars worth of tax that comes out of diesels.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Throw another seven zero point three billion dollars and what
[2:06] Speaker 1: you start to head towards twenty four twenty four, almost
[2:10] Speaker 1: twenty five b four billion dollars that they clip the
[2:14] Speaker 1: ticket on top of how much you are paying right
[2:19] Speaker 1: now now for a government that are used that obsesses
[2:23] Speaker 1: with pretending that they're doing something about cost living and
[2:25] Speaker 1: they're helping people. Here a pause a reduct at the
[2:30] Speaker 1: very very least, and this doesn't really do anything. But
[2:34] Speaker 1: if they just said we're going to pause the indexation now,
[2:37] Speaker 1: increase in the tax for the next at a while,
[2:41] Speaker 1: but of course they should be dramatically reducing it right now.
[2:45] Speaker 1: Of course the whole fifty cent should go. But if
[2:46] Speaker 1: they take ten twenty five that whatever, right the reality
[2:50] Speaker 1: is is on top of the commodity that is already
[2:53] Speaker 1: going through the roof because of what's happening. That fifty
[2:55] Speaker 1: cents is the difference, not necessarily to the people that
[2:59] Speaker 1: have filling the car for a couple of weeks and
[3:01] Speaker 1: you know, doing school run all the rest of it,
[3:02] Speaker 1: but for the people that keep the country going, the
[3:05] Speaker 1: ones that actually were featured in that story with Mark
[3:08] Speaker 1: Burrows on Channel nine, the ones we've talked about all
[3:10] Speaker 1: the time, well they are swamped right now. But apparently
[3:15] Speaker 1: such an idea isn't just dumb, it's one for drong gooes,
[3:19] Speaker 1: which of course is code for bogans, which again is
[3:22] Speaker 1: code for dumb. The economics rid for the Sydney Morning Held.
[3:25] Speaker 1: Remember their editorial yesterday. It's all okay, this is great
[3:27] Speaker 1: because it'll make more people go and get electric vehicles
[3:30] Speaker 1: smile Australia. Well, the thing is the reason that the
[3:34] Speaker 1: Prime Minister deserves to have his face rubbed in this
[3:38] Speaker 1: one is because when he was the opposition leader during COVID,
[3:42] Speaker 1: what was he complaining about? What was he pointing to?
[3:45] Speaker 1: He was outraged when unleaded was two bucks and unleaded
[3:53] Speaker 1: E ten was a dollars seventy nine. This was an outrage,
[3:56] Speaker 1: Prime Minister, do you reckon? Scott Marison has been to
[4:00] Speaker 1: a petro station lately petrol prices are surgeon on his watch. Well,
[4:03] Speaker 1: what's happening on yours buddy? Because the global effect, well
[4:09] Speaker 1: it applied during COVID, But of course that was all
[4:12] Speaker 1: deeply personal, wasn't it. All of this stuff where by
[4:15] Speaker 1: the way, the excess has increased twice a year every
[4:19] Speaker 1: year since he became Prime minister, that being Anthony Alberanezi
[4:23] Speaker 1: to now fifty two cents. Does he really care about
[4:28] Speaker 1: the of course not why because he needs to hold
[4:31] Speaker 1: onto that chunk of twenty five billion, because of course
[4:34] Speaker 1: that twenty five billion is necessary to forgive student debt. Noah, Sure,
[4:39] Speaker 1: there's been a whole bunch of other people who've had
[4:41] Speaker 1: to rack up this student debt, payoff this student debt.
[4:43] Speaker 1: But no, there was an election to win. What about
[4:46] Speaker 1: the billions of dollars that were absolutely necessary in relation
[4:50] Speaker 1: to helping people with their power bills. Well, then they
[4:52] Speaker 1: won the election and gone about priorities. We are learning
[4:59] Speaker 1: about who's true got your back here? Yes, the government
[5:02] Speaker 1: may have to go without some of that twenty four billion, doctor,
[5:05] Speaker 1: they'll get it back. They'll just have to go without
[5:08] Speaker 1: it for a small amount of time. And it would
[5:10] Speaker 1: show that the government says, look, we know this is hurting.
[5:13] Speaker 1: We're still going to get money out of GST on fuel,
[5:17] Speaker 1: but we're going to push down the excise a little bit.
[5:19] Speaker 1: Drong go economics. Please, Well, there is one person in
[5:23] Speaker 1: Australian politics with the nuts to actually talk about this
[5:27] Speaker 1: in the Parliament to the Prime Minister directly and yes,
[5:30] Speaker 1: while all of the media that covers. The Prime Minister's
[5:34] Speaker 1: backside will call it drongo economics. Apparently Dially the member
[5:39] Speaker 1: for Fowler, the Vietnamese refugee at one point in her life,
[5:42] Speaker 1: is a drong go because she was speaking up on
[5:46] Speaker 1: the behalf of many of those in her community, who,
[5:48] Speaker 1: funny enough, featured in tonight's story on Channel nine.
[5:52] Speaker 5: My question is it a Prime minister? Prime Minister, constituents
[5:56] Speaker 5: have told me today that fuel is now three dollars
[5:59] Speaker 5: fifteen in Foul, southwest of Sydney. Since my question to
[6:03] Speaker 5: the Treasurer on Tuesday when he failed to answer, will
[6:07] Speaker 5: you follow Italy's Prime minister and cut fuel excise temporarily
[6:12] Speaker 5: to provide immediate relief at the Bowser?
[6:16] Speaker 1: Correct? Right, The thing that is hurting is petrol. You
[6:20] Speaker 1: are taxing fifty two cents in the dollar of every leader,
[6:24] Speaker 1: plus the ten percent GST on the total cost of
[6:28] Speaker 1: the fuel, including what you have already taxed people for now.
[6:32] Speaker 1: The Treasurer has said no plans for this yet. Right.
[6:36] Speaker 1: Prime Minister asked direct question, not from a liberal, not
[6:39] Speaker 1: from one nation, but from a person who, of course
[6:42] Speaker 1: was the great KK killer, a person from southwestern Sydney.
[6:46] Speaker 1: Watch this for an absolute non answer, and I'm going
[6:49] Speaker 1: to show you the stop watch of how long this
[6:51] Speaker 1: waffle goes for it's a yes, it's a no, but
[6:55] Speaker 1: start the tape now.
[6:58] Speaker 6: I thank the Member for foul for her question. And
[7:02] Speaker 6: it goes to the pressures that people are under.
[7:06] Speaker 1: Yes, when costs rise, what about the tax?
[7:11] Speaker 6: Two years in Fouler, Okay, two things yeping. First is yes,
[7:18] Speaker 6: the war in the Middle East is having an impact.
[7:21] Speaker 1: What about your size pime, whether it be in the ticket.
[7:25] Speaker 6: In grainlow, whether it be no, one's denying in North
[7:29] Speaker 6: America and South America, every South America.
[7:32] Speaker 1: We're not charging fifty two cents in the dollar for
[7:34] Speaker 1: the Australian government. But please continue the least.
[7:36] Speaker 6: War is having and that flows down to from an
[7:41] Speaker 6: impact on the national right through to an impact on
[7:47] Speaker 6: individual on individuals.
[7:50] Speaker 1: Yes, and so what about the tax that you take
[7:52] Speaker 1: on the ticket?
[7:54] Speaker 6: What we can to shield people such as her constituent,
[8:00] Speaker 6: maybe increasing the tax worst impacts of what is a
[8:05] Speaker 6: global event.
[8:07] Speaker 1: Not your taxing people for not one.
[8:09] Speaker 6: That we're participating in, but one which impacts us.
[8:14] Speaker 1: So are you your.
[8:16] Speaker 6: Tax as the Treasurer and the Assistant Treasurer just said,
[8:22] Speaker 6: tax cuts that have gone to every single worth five
[8:28] Speaker 6: bucks electric will make a difference. Some sixty five thousand
[8:32] Speaker 6: taxpayers in your electorate alone getting an average tax cut
[8:38] Speaker 6: of more than two thousand dollars every year.
[8:42] Speaker 1: Okay, divide by fifty two how much is that perk?
[8:45] Speaker 6: The student debt relief that helps students will make a
[8:51] Speaker 6: difference as well.
[8:52] Speaker 1: What about the petrol tax charge on the petrol that
[8:56] Speaker 1: is the diesel three boats.
[9:00] Speaker 6: Mate as well as anything thousand and six hundred people,
[9:04] Speaker 6: and it had gone to the Liverpool medicare urge carey.
[9:10] Speaker 7: A difference?
[9:10] Speaker 1: Oh please please place, please, please please please place please now,
[9:14] Speaker 1: as you know, if you ever watched Parliament, they do
[9:16] Speaker 1: that little thing where they turn around and say a
[9:18] Speaker 1: point of order. Mister speaker, can he even try to
[9:22] Speaker 1: answer the question. Maybe he's not going to do yes, no,
[9:25] Speaker 1: but but thanks for the medicare reference to who's going
[9:28] Speaker 1: to the local doctor in southwestern Sydney. But what about
[9:33] Speaker 1: are you going to do anything about the fifty two
[9:35] Speaker 1: cents that you tax every liter of petrol or diesel
[9:39] Speaker 1: in Australia? Well what happened then? In addition to that
[9:48] Speaker 1: promise will pause the member for Fowler on a point
[9:51] Speaker 1: of of the promises completed his answer wow wow. So
[9:57] Speaker 1: Dila quite correctly gets up and goes, hang, ont tag on.
[10:01] Speaker 1: You've waffled for what the best part of two minutes?
[10:05] Speaker 1: What about an answer? Now he knows that. Of course,
[10:08] Speaker 1: if he continues to not answer her, then people start
[10:13] Speaker 1: to notice. Well, we noticed that he wasn't answering fifteen
[10:16] Speaker 1: seconds into this today, and the Prime Minister got out
[10:21] Speaker 1: of having to be forced to answered by just going yeah,
[10:22] Speaker 1: I'm done. There are politicians that are on your side.
[10:27] Speaker 1: There are politicians who exist to make life harder for you.
[10:31] Speaker 1: We know which one the Prime Minister is, we know
[10:34] Speaker 1: which one the Treasury is, and we know which one
[10:37] Speaker 1: die les. She will join us in a couple of
[10:38] Speaker 1: minutes time to talk about the impact of fuel and
[10:41] Speaker 1: whether she agrees with me in drongo economics. Ain't you
[10:45] Speaker 1: like the way as soon as you start to push
[10:47] Speaker 1: back against the system? God forbid? You know the federal
[10:49] Speaker 1: government they deserve read letter praise when they pause excise
[10:54] Speaker 1: on beer? What did I show you last night that
[10:57] Speaker 1: that cost nothing? They're still going to get three billion
[11:00] Speaker 1: dollars worth attacks. Oh but if you do anything about
[11:03] Speaker 1: fuel excise that effects our very important twenty five billion
[11:07] Speaker 1: dollars that we've already promised a student at relief and honestly, honestly,
[11:14] Speaker 1: Chris Human is going to be here on Sunday night. Now,
[11:17] Speaker 1: this is going to be a live show, live show,
[11:19] Speaker 1: live show, live show, okay, which is going to be
[11:21] Speaker 1: a Chris Human hosting a show about the Australian fuel crisis,
[11:25] Speaker 1: all the detail, right up to the minute. It's going
[11:27] Speaker 1: to be seven thirty Sunday night. All eyes, all eyes,
[11:29] Speaker 1: all eyes. Watch that and then turn around and of
[11:31] Speaker 1: course we're on with our town life from Port mcquarie
[11:34] Speaker 1: on Sunday night as well. So once the foot he's done,
[11:37] Speaker 1: once the Japanese Grand Prix is done, Sunday night, seven thirty,
[11:41] Speaker 1: don't leave the couch until we're done from Port mcquarie. Meantime,
[11:46] Speaker 1: as Barnaby Joyce has been practicing Drongo Economic Day ja,
[11:50] Speaker 1: I love these people, they're so patronizing. Well, he of
[11:53] Speaker 1: course is still trying to thump on this particular issue.
[11:57] Speaker 1: And why wouldn't he, because again, there are politicians that
[11:59] Speaker 1: are and there are politicians that are not. I think
[12:02] Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce is absolutely helping by representing the people in
[12:05] Speaker 1: his own electorate in and around Tamworth that are absolutely
[12:10] Speaker 1: boiling right now.
[12:12] Speaker 4: We've actually have been contacted now by funeral homes. They
[12:15] Speaker 4: can't get fuels and certainly farmers. So does the Minister
[12:18] Speaker 4: for Agriculture see any impediments for the production, processing and
[12:22] Speaker 4: transport of crucial food, crucial groceries to metropolitan supermarkets.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Now again, let's be very clear, and I am the
[12:30] Speaker 1: hardest marker of all when it comes to this government.
[12:33] Speaker 1: The explosion in the price of petrol, in the price
[12:36] Speaker 1: of diesel is because of the problems that are happening
[12:39] Speaker 1: in Iran. It's why I would like that water finish
[12:42] Speaker 1: as fast as possible, Why to get the straight open
[12:43] Speaker 1: as fast as possible. But even then, because ships are
[12:47] Speaker 1: not speedboats, they take an awfully long time to make
[12:50] Speaker 1: it from the Middle East to Asia, and then they
[12:52] Speaker 1: make it from Asia to us. There's no direct line
[12:55] Speaker 1: or very few of them that actually exists between the
[12:58] Speaker 1: Middle East the strait that is being a feed did
[13:00] Speaker 1: right now. So what is the federal government though, and
[13:04] Speaker 1: the role that they are playing in making sure that
[13:06] Speaker 1: of what we've got, which they claim is enough, they
[13:09] Speaker 1: claim is enough. But as I said, in a couple
[13:11] Speaker 1: of minutes time, I'll tell you about which part of
[13:14] Speaker 1: Australia has decided tonight to start introducing a cap on
[13:18] Speaker 1: how much you can buy. Oh, it's not a crisis,
[13:21] Speaker 1: not a crisis. Well, this important example, the idea of
[13:25] Speaker 1: a funeral home now starting to say that they're not
[13:27] Speaker 1: going to be able to get access to fuel, which
[13:28] Speaker 1: means they're not going to be able to do what
[13:30] Speaker 1: they do and play the role that they play for
[13:32] Speaker 1: the families that need that anytime soon. Well, what was
[13:35] Speaker 1: the response of the Labor Minister.
[13:38] Speaker 8: We can produce enough food in this country to more
[13:41] Speaker 8: than feed the Australian people, which is why we currently
[13:44] Speaker 8: export around eighty percent of our primary produce in terms
[13:48] Speaker 8: of value. So the member opposite shouldn't be panicking people
[13:52] Speaker 8: when it comes to food supply in this country. We
[13:55] Speaker 8: will continue to work with our farmers in relation to
[13:58] Speaker 8: fuel and fertilizer. Our uvmand has already taken action as
[14:01] Speaker 8: the Minister and the Prime Minister has outlined.
[14:05] Speaker 1: Of course, another perfect example of once you asked about
[14:08] Speaker 1: the funeral home, I don't know he's scaring everyone well
[14:13] Speaker 1: again just to show that Bunnaby Joyce is not the
[14:15] Speaker 1: one with the eggbad here. Instead, it is normal people
[14:18] Speaker 1: that are coming forward and the media are finding them
[14:22] Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter from whence you find your news.
[14:24] Speaker 1: There are examples of it about farmers that are saying,
[14:26] Speaker 1: guess what all of this is going to cost us more,
[14:29] Speaker 1: which means eventually it's going to cost you more. Or
[14:31] Speaker 1: the Australian Financial Review who are saying there's massive problems
[14:36] Speaker 1: with the plastics and fertilizer. If you prefer to go
[14:39] Speaker 1: back to the home of drongo economics and hey, just
[14:41] Speaker 1: smile Australia. Everyone will end up with a electric car eventually,
[14:47] Speaker 1: or people who were planning to take the caravan go
[14:50] Speaker 1: the full whorl drive and make the most of the
[14:51] Speaker 1: school holidays, or grow nomadscadata. All of you watching around
[14:54] Speaker 1: the country, guess what they're doing. Leave it in the garage.
[15:00] Speaker 1: See here, we're all just kidding ourselves. Forty eight stations
[15:05] Speaker 1: are completely dry in New South Wales, one hundred and
[15:07] Speaker 1: seventy eight have no diesel. No diesel is more of
[15:09] Speaker 1: a problem right now than anything else. In Queensane fifty
[15:12] Speaker 1: five no diesel, seventy two no diesel. But that's okay.
[15:17] Speaker 1: Chris Bowen's in charge, he's all here, and he says,
[15:22] Speaker 1: don't worry. Yeah, a couple of things got delayed, but
[15:25] Speaker 1: we found replacements for all of it. But again we
[15:27] Speaker 1: just go back to the one of the champions of bagging,
[15:32] Speaker 1: those of us who think that it's ridiculous that the
[15:34] Speaker 1: government chakes fifty twos elita out of every single bit
[15:38] Speaker 1: of petrol right now, and yes, that would mean quite
[15:40] Speaker 1: a few billion dollars. They wouldn't be able to peddle
[15:42] Speaker 1: up against the wall or to pat themselves on the
[15:44] Speaker 1: back with, but it would actually help the people who
[15:47] Speaker 1: you know, pay all those other taxes, including the single
[15:51] Speaker 1: largest area of taxation, that being, of course, people who
[15:54] Speaker 1: pay as you go, because those people will have cars,
[15:57] Speaker 1: and most people have lives, and they have every right
[15:59] Speaker 1: to you those and get their family around. But well,
[16:03] Speaker 1: of course, even the homeost to say of the Drongo
[16:06] Speaker 1: economics people, well they say that all this gets worse
[16:09] Speaker 1: before it gets better, which is exactly what I've been saying.
[16:12] Speaker 1: Even if the war ends tomorrow, and I hope it
[16:14] Speaker 1: ends tomorrow, why because for obvious reasons we want it
[16:17] Speaker 1: to end, all right, I want the Aralian regime gone,
[16:21] Speaker 1: all the rest of it. But let's be clear, we
[16:22] Speaker 1: all want it to end because of the consequence here
[16:25] Speaker 1: in Australia. And yes that is to do with petrol
[16:27] Speaker 1: right now. And good luck to everyone who's got enough
[16:30] Speaker 1: money and do not care about it. But we of
[16:31] Speaker 1: course are a show for those who do have to
[16:34] Speaker 1: watch their money and those people that are in small
[16:37] Speaker 1: business because they are out there and they're doing it
[16:39] Speaker 1: for themselves. These are the people who are not on
[16:42] Speaker 1: the government teep, be it welfare, be at the job,
[16:44] Speaker 1: the triangle of dependence. You don't always talk about that. Well,
[16:47] Speaker 1: these are the people who are hurting right now. And
[16:50] Speaker 1: supposedly the government cares about cost of living and we're doing
[16:52] Speaker 1: our bid for cost of living. Pull the other one.
[16:56] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the fact of this thing finishing tomorrow.
[17:00] Speaker 1: Who knows. Right Over the next couple of days we'll
[17:02] Speaker 1: all find out whether the five day pause is extended
[17:04] Speaker 1: again for the negotiations, which Americas say are going well.
[17:08] Speaker 1: Ryan says aren't happening at all. But we all hope
[17:11] Speaker 1: that there is a rabbit about to be pulled out
[17:12] Speaker 1: of the hat. Something is going to happen here, right
[17:16] Speaker 1: But at the same time, there is a surge in
[17:19] Speaker 1: the American's ability to go after the Iranian regime, of
[17:23] Speaker 1: which the Iranians have said that they will go after
[17:25] Speaker 1: neighboring countries, among other things, blowing away the desalination plants,
[17:29] Speaker 1: meaning the citizens of those countries won't have any drinking water.
[17:34] Speaker 9: Yeah, the Pentagon is sending elements of the eighty second
[17:37] Speaker 9: Airborne Division to the Middle East, including a headquarters unit
[17:40] Speaker 9: as well as some ground forces, raising the possibility that
[17:43] Speaker 9: the Trump administration could decide to put boots on the
[17:46] Speaker 9: ground these elements from the eighty second. The eighty second
[17:50] Speaker 9: has an immediate response force that can deploy anywhere in
[17:53] Speaker 9: the world within eighteen hours of receiving the mission.
[17:58] Speaker 1: Look, we're going to super busy show tonight. Yes, Column
[18:00] Speaker 1: Flint will be joining us, But we've also got a
[18:03] Speaker 1: little celebration, some rugby news to get to. We'll have
[18:06] Speaker 1: our debate, winners and losers of the week. But quickly
[18:08] Speaker 1: before we start to move on, including to the wonderful
[18:11] Speaker 1: day Lee standing by fer Us in Canberra is one
[18:14] Speaker 1: nation and their surge right now, that is happening in
[18:16] Speaker 1: the polls. Now. You know that we had a big
[18:18] Speaker 1: night earlier this week when we showed you the sky
[18:22] Speaker 1: News Pulse, and the sky News Pulse was showing that
[18:25] Speaker 1: in the overall primary vote right now, One Nation at
[18:27] Speaker 1: twenty seven Labor Party twenty nine, just two points shy
[18:31] Speaker 1: of being the most popular political party in the country,
[18:33] Speaker 1: the Coalition in their dust. But once you further dig
[18:37] Speaker 1: into the data, and I really do appreciate everyone who
[18:40] Speaker 1: gives us the access to everything that cross tabs all
[18:42] Speaker 1: the rest of it. Here I want to show you
[18:45] Speaker 1: who One Nation is currently leading with now only by
[18:48] Speaker 1: one point here and two points there and bigger. Let's
[18:52] Speaker 1: race through these. One Nation is the most popular political
[18:54] Speaker 1: party with men in Australia, thirty one to Labour's third.
[19:01] Speaker 1: It is the most popular with the millennials of this
[19:04] Speaker 1: country thirty to twenty eight. Of my generation Generation X,
[19:10] Speaker 1: the first two catch on to the One Nation phenomena.
[19:13] Speaker 1: The number one political party for Generation X is One
[19:16] Speaker 1: Nation thirty two to twenty seven. What about parents who've
[19:20] Speaker 1: got kids under the age of eighteen? Guess what One
[19:24] Speaker 1: Nation the number one political choice for people who've got
[19:29] Speaker 1: kids younger than eighteen. For people who live in the suburbs,
[19:33] Speaker 1: one nation is the number one choice, one point over labor.
[19:37] Speaker 1: For those that live in regional areas, very obviously almost
[19:42] Speaker 1: two to one. There. For people who are paying off
[19:46] Speaker 1: a mortgage thirty three to twenty eight, the number one
[19:51] Speaker 1: choice is one nation right now. And are you sitting
[19:53] Speaker 1: down the number one choice for renters in this country?
[19:57] Speaker 1: It ain't the Greens. It's Nation One nation in front
[20:03] Speaker 1: with renters, mortgage holders, people in the bush, people in
[20:07] Speaker 1: the suburbs, parents with kids under eighteen, Generation X millennials. Men.
[20:13] Speaker 1: That is a very big change to our politics that
[20:16] Speaker 1: is happening as we speak. Let us get to die Lee,
[20:20] Speaker 1: because well she's the one who asked the question. And
[20:23] Speaker 1: of course I showed you the waffle and I had
[20:25] Speaker 1: to show it to you all in full. Die joins
[20:27] Speaker 1: us now Diari of course, the member for Fowler. I
[20:29] Speaker 1: think she's in her office there in Canberra. Give me
[20:32] Speaker 1: an idea here, mate, or have you made it back home?
[20:34] Speaker 1: I don't know, but give me an idea.
[20:36] Speaker 10: I literally just got back here to my wonderful op
[20:40] Speaker 10: community and Candy Heights.
[20:42] Speaker 1: For good stuff. Love good stuff now, I love that
[20:46] Speaker 1: as soon as you were going to stand up and
[20:48] Speaker 1: say to the PM, yeah, okay, great about the question
[20:50] Speaker 1: I asked you bang sits down, answer finished. That's what
[20:54] Speaker 1: you were going to do, right, that's right.
[20:56] Speaker 10: I stood up to basically, Paul obviously relevance when you
[21:00] Speaker 10: you know, you ask a question, and it was it
[21:04] Speaker 10: a very tight question talking about asking the Prime Minister
[21:08] Speaker 10: would he lead his government to cut the few excise
[21:13] Speaker 10: temporarily in order similar to what the Italian Prime Minister
[21:18] Speaker 10: has done, and would he take the lead in doing
[21:21] Speaker 10: that to help families and small businesses who are really
[21:25] Speaker 10: and I've been hearing it all morning, you know, considering
[21:28] Speaker 10: setting me messages about our pet talk here in Western
[21:31] Speaker 10: Sydney of you're going up through two. I was fifteen
[21:35] Speaker 10: and it's real, it's it's really putting a lot of
[21:39] Speaker 10: pressure on working Australians.
[21:42] Speaker 1: So this is this is this, This is a bit
[21:45] Speaker 1: right for a bloke who constantly just bangs on and
[21:48] Speaker 1: on and on as if I were doing everything we can, Well,
[21:51] Speaker 1: there's a lever right in front of him that currently
[21:54] Speaker 1: is at fifty two cents, and he can bring it,
[21:56] Speaker 1: he can keep it at fifty two cents and say
[21:57] Speaker 1: nothing happens in six months time, or he can pull
[22:00] Speaker 1: it back to fifty, we can pull it back to
[22:01] Speaker 1: forty five, or in my view, he brings them all
[22:03] Speaker 1: the way back. But apparently this is drongo economic style.
[22:07] Speaker 1: I know, think you saw that in the second Morning Herald,
[22:08] Speaker 1: but this is sort of you know, dumb people's stuff.
[22:11] Speaker 1: Good luck. I reckon people watching us right now around
[22:14] Speaker 1: the country, or who voted for you at two elections,
[22:18] Speaker 1: or they wouldn't like being called drongos at the idea
[22:20] Speaker 1: of the government not clipping the freaking ticket for fifty
[22:23] Speaker 1: two cents.
[22:25] Speaker 10: And mind you there's also GST on top of it.
[22:29] Speaker 10: So so that's I mean. I asked on Tuesday, asked
[22:33] Speaker 10: the treasure who gave me a similar question, and I
[22:36] Speaker 10: shared that question as well on my on my Instagram,
[22:38] Speaker 10: and my god, I cannot imagine that. I can't believe
[22:41] Speaker 10: people are so angry for and every single person. The
[22:45] Speaker 10: comments that I've found really shocking at how angry people
[22:49] Speaker 10: were because they didn't answer the question. In a January,
[22:54] Speaker 10: you know, they talk about you know, Hex's debt, they
[22:57] Speaker 10: talked about PPS and the question is about the fuel
[23:01] Speaker 10: excise due to two a few two point six cents.
[23:05] Speaker 10: So and it's not the first time I called as
[23:07] Speaker 10: you know, I've pulled it on your program last term.
[23:09] Speaker 1: Correct. Correct, And also remember again why am I again
[23:13] Speaker 1: rubbing the Prime Minister's nose in this one, Because when
[23:16] Speaker 1: he was the opposition leader, he's pointing at the petrol pumps.
[23:20] Speaker 1: You know, Oh, look how terrible and evil Scott Morrison was,
[23:22] Speaker 1: who yes, was taking excise, but it wasn't fifty two
[23:25] Speaker 1: cents by the way, right, that's that's that's my point here, right,
[23:29] Speaker 1: I mean Diesel right now, what I mean three fifteen,
[23:32] Speaker 1: three sixteen right now.
[23:34] Speaker 10: At the moment, yeah, through fifteen here in power. And
[23:37] Speaker 10: I believed at Bathfurst yesterday it was at three twenty
[23:40] Speaker 10: in Bathurst because the Member for Palaire put out a
[23:44] Speaker 10: bill for debate to basically ask the government to take
[23:49] Speaker 10: step in and control the fuel prices. But of course
[23:53] Speaker 10: that we the you know, of course we didn't have
[23:56] Speaker 10: the numbers in the house.
[23:59] Speaker 1: Never gets out of firs, never gets out of first gear.
[24:03] Speaker 1: You know, again, the Prime Minister is not responsible for
[24:06] Speaker 1: what's happening around here, is what's happening in Australia. And
[24:08] Speaker 1: the taxation that he chooses to put in place right
[24:11] Speaker 1: now is what matters. Die Again, lots of people are
[24:14] Speaker 1: going to get in touch with you via social media,
[24:16] Speaker 1: but give me a couple of examples about people in
[24:19] Speaker 1: your area and the reason they're reaching out to their
[24:22] Speaker 1: local MP and what the impact is on businesses and lives.
[24:26] Speaker 10: Oh, look, businesses are just basically obviously the cost in fuel,
[24:31] Speaker 10: as you know, will flow onto other services and products
[24:36] Speaker 10: and deliveries.
[24:37] Speaker 3: In all of that.
[24:38] Speaker 10: I've got a consistent this morning who said her husband
[24:41] Speaker 10: drives a truck and she was just so upset that obviously,
[24:46] Speaker 10: you know, the price has gone up and they have
[24:49] Speaker 10: to fill that truck to deliver goods. And she said,
[24:52] Speaker 10: please do something about it. And I'm not that the
[24:55] Speaker 10: government said, you know, they can't control the war, and
[24:57] Speaker 10: of course we can't control the war, but what we
[24:59] Speaker 10: can do control is the way to bring down that
[25:04] Speaker 10: price at the petrol pump for families when they see
[25:07] Speaker 10: it every day, every single day. And the fact that
[25:10] Speaker 10: twenty seven billion dollars was collected last year, just last
[25:14] Speaker 10: year from excise fuel, so not you know, not adding
[25:19] Speaker 10: the GST of that as well, So there's there is
[25:24] Speaker 10: a room to move. And the previous government under Scott
[25:26] Speaker 10: Morrison during COVID, you know, they did that for six months.
[25:30] Speaker 10: So really whatever, we can condemn the previous government, but
[25:34] Speaker 10: at least they saw the crisis in the country and
[25:39] Speaker 10: they did something to alleviate that pains for moms and
[25:42] Speaker 10: dads and workers who are on the roads, especially in
[25:45] Speaker 10: Western Sydney, dribbing trucks delivering goods they have they haven't
[25:50] Speaker 10: got the luxury to work from home.
[25:52] Speaker 1: The correct But also you know he's banging on about,
[25:54] Speaker 1: oh you know the tax cuts, Well it's already been
[25:56] Speaker 1: wiped out, right, it was five bucks a week anyway,
[25:59] Speaker 1: I keep five. I love when you do it, and
[26:01] Speaker 1: I just love watching them squirm because they can't treat
[26:03] Speaker 1: you like they'd treat me, and I really appreciate it.
[26:05] Speaker 1: Good on you, Diet, all the best, thanks, How good
[26:08] Speaker 1: is you? There forever in their debt for the being
[26:10] Speaker 1: the KK political killer, right, they've got to do it right.
[26:14] Speaker 1: Oh but it's strong go economics. But what about when
[26:17] Speaker 1: they spend five billion here and ten billion there. We're
[26:20] Speaker 1: talking about until the war is over and yes, a
[26:22] Speaker 1: little bit after it, right, Okay, six months going to
[26:24] Speaker 1: be a few billion dollars. God forbid, the government's going
[26:27] Speaker 1: to do without. They're all getting ready going to be
[26:28] Speaker 1: running a deficit. In fact, they're going to be running
[26:30] Speaker 1: a deficit every year for the next sixty years. Any
[26:32] Speaker 1: chance of any economic commentary about that more in a
[26:35] Speaker 1: sect lots to get to, including who you thinks winner
[26:37] Speaker 1: and loser Off the week, we'll talk about petrol a
[26:38] Speaker 1: whole lot more, and yet we'll said which part of
[26:40] Speaker 1: Australia has already started to introduce how much you can
[26:43] Speaker 1: buy it about? So for second, thank you so much
[26:49] Speaker 1: for watching two blokes who will truly know an awful
[26:51] Speaker 1: lot about fuel, and let us get to them right now,
[26:54] Speaker 1: the great Darren Barnett, who has been fired up all day,
[26:57] Speaker 1: lots of data, lots of stories, all the rest of it.
[26:59] Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to get reascently annoyed. Paul No, and
[27:02] Speaker 1: I'm with you, but let me get in Ross Cardell.
[27:03] Speaker 1: See he's so fired up he won't even let me
[27:05] Speaker 1: get to the other guest, not one of a Roscadell,
[27:07] Speaker 1: of course, national centator here or in New South Wales
[27:10] Speaker 1: representing them in Canberra right now. So Darren, you have
[27:13] Speaker 1: been part of many an effort of many a year,
[27:15] Speaker 1: including conversations on this show, but more substantively representations to
[27:20] Speaker 1: Parliament that guess, what if Australia ever ended up in
[27:24] Speaker 1: a scenario like this, we're screwed. They've known about it,
[27:27] Speaker 1: All sides have known about it, and they've known about
[27:29] Speaker 1: it for like a political generation.
[27:32] Speaker 11: We've been below the IA storage minimum since two thousand
[27:38] Speaker 11: and eight, two thousand and nine. And there was a
[27:41] Speaker 11: big Senate inquiry twenty fourteen fifteen, and it looked at
[27:44] Speaker 11: all of this and it did it because there'd been
[27:47] Speaker 11: obviously not a supply shock, but there'd been threats of
[27:50] Speaker 11: a supply shock by terrorist outfits, well known ones as
[27:55] Speaker 11: al Qaeda. At the time ISIS was around, they were saying,
[27:58] Speaker 11: we're going to try and shut the straightupor moves and
[28:02] Speaker 11: that's going to bring supply to its knees. In the
[28:05] Speaker 11: western world. We knew we had a big inquiry and
[28:09] Speaker 11: successive governments. There's bad language, Paul with the numb.
[28:12] Speaker 1: Bugger or extraordinary the other way in.
[28:15] Speaker 11: The Energy Department Federal Energy Department twenty nineteen and they said, oh,
[28:20] Speaker 11: we haven't had a supply shop.
[28:22] Speaker 1: Well, we didn't have a global pandemic.
[28:24] Speaker 11: One was going to come at some point. At the time,
[28:26] Speaker 11: it was going to cost eight billion dollars. Now it's
[28:28] Speaker 11: about twenty five billion dollars. And we get all that.
[28:32] Speaker 11: There's lots of enthusiasm for Australian refining and Australian moving,
[28:37] Speaker 11: whether it be vessels or how we move it around
[28:40] Speaker 11: our coast, even a fleet that might go in and
[28:42] Speaker 11: out of Singapore with the Australian Cruise on it, so
[28:45] Speaker 11: we can guarantee it's not pinched by the spot market.
[28:48] Speaker 11: But we've had a decade to think about and deal
[28:51] Speaker 11: with this, if not more, and we haven't done a
[28:54] Speaker 11: single thing.
[28:55] Speaker 1: Just give me the clean number, right, because I want
[28:57] Speaker 1: to get ross in and then we'll go back then.
[29:01] Speaker 1: The amount of money it used to cost to refine
[29:03] Speaker 1: petrol here versus what it would be to fire it
[29:05] Speaker 1: up now you just mentioned it before.
[29:07] Speaker 11: The opium was for upgrades to make us similar to
[29:10] Speaker 11: the bigger refineries of Singapore, right, and that's what it
[29:12] Speaker 11: would have cost in twenty fourteen dollars. Now they're talking
[29:17] Speaker 11: three times that amount.
[29:19] Speaker 1: Ross. You get to sit there in the Senate watching
[29:22] Speaker 1: them sort of pretend nothing to see here. You know,
[29:25] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister suggest you slow play the ball or
[29:27] Speaker 1: just kicking it into touch or out of bounds on
[29:30] Speaker 1: the fall. Got to be careful across all all forms
[29:33] Speaker 1: of footy. Here. The reality is that this has been
[29:37] Speaker 1: screwed up by a law of people for a long time.
[29:40] Speaker 1: And I think Australians have every right to be boiling
[29:43] Speaker 1: about it because this is the sort of stuff That
[29:46] Speaker 1: is why, in part you pay your taxes. It's why
[29:48] Speaker 1: we expect governments to be in place, is that when
[29:51] Speaker 1: things like this happen, we're going to be fine. Because
[29:54] Speaker 1: the petrol price jumped in Australia. Yes, it's happening around
[29:58] Speaker 1: the world, but it is not happening to the same
[30:00] Speaker 1: degree as it is happening in Australia. White because of
[30:03] Speaker 1: exactly this stuff.
[30:06] Speaker 12: We don't have a shock absorber. Darren's exactly right. We
[30:09] Speaker 12: have done nothing. This is the problem of successive governments
[30:12] Speaker 12: and I think it's the problem of the Senate ever
[30:14] Speaker 12: since Screen's got control. It's anything your time you do
[30:17] Speaker 12: something with carbon in that you ei the devil and
[30:18] Speaker 12: you can't.
[30:19] Speaker 7: Get it through.
[30:20] Speaker 12: And this has gone I remember knee high to a
[30:22] Speaker 12: grasshopper when it was odds and evens days at the
[30:24] Speaker 12: service station. I don't know how I remember that, but
[30:26] Speaker 12: that's what it was. We're going to head down that
[30:28] Speaker 12: path now. And it's because you know, we are becoming
[30:31] Speaker 12: the soy boys of the OECD that all we want
[30:34] Speaker 12: to do is look good on the world stage and
[30:36] Speaker 12: forget what we're doing.
[30:38] Speaker 7: You know, in breakfaft policy, it's it's rubbish.
[30:40] Speaker 12: Australians deserve better, but we'll continue to do it because.
[30:44] Speaker 7: We shy away from fights.
[30:45] Speaker 12: This is you know, Australia, as we said last week,
[30:48] Speaker 12: has all these resources we can do. We can do
[30:51] Speaker 12: cold oil and distiller because you know, so much we
[30:54] Speaker 12: had with light sweet crude and everything back in the
[30:56] Speaker 12: day doesn't make a lot of diesel and we were
[30:58] Speaker 12: using so much more diesel now we were in the
[31:00] Speaker 12: early two thousands. We can do more in Australia and
[31:04] Speaker 12: no one wants to go out and hurt the environment.
[31:05] Speaker 7: But first of all, you've got to make your stuff right.
[31:07] Speaker 7: And we shy away of are we good we're cutting
[31:10] Speaker 7: that zero? Aren't we good? We're doing this? Aren't we good?
[31:12] Speaker 7: We're doing all that? But we're not looking after ourselves.
[31:15] Speaker 7: We're not feeding ourselves.
[31:16] Speaker 12: We're just you know, so narcissistic that we want to
[31:19] Speaker 12: look good and do nothing. And Darren's right, if you
[31:21] Speaker 12: shy away from tough decisions, it put off in this
[31:24] Speaker 12: and even to this point, NIMA and the National Emergency
[31:26] Speaker 12: Agency there were stories this week did a simulation just
[31:29] Speaker 12: last year on what would happen in fuel shock and
[31:32] Speaker 12: so this is the best we're getting.
[31:33] Speaker 7: This reaction comes straight from that.
[31:35] Speaker 1: Well well again this is said freedom of information that
[31:38] Speaker 1: was there from the ABC that said this exact modeling
[31:42] Speaker 1: last year, right again, sending inquiries you know, literally you've
[31:46] Speaker 1: got to go all the way back, you know, rud
[31:47] Speaker 1: Guillard in all of it. Right, there is a story
[31:51] Speaker 1: in the Daily Telegraph which is parts of Sydney are
[31:54] Speaker 1: now starting and at some of the petrol stations in
[31:55] Speaker 1: Sydney are starting to say there's only so much that
[31:58] Speaker 1: you can fill. Right, this is a month into it,
[32:01] Speaker 1: and remember if it stops tomorrow, you've got to add
[32:04] Speaker 1: another month to it because guess what, as I said,
[32:06] Speaker 1: they're not speedboats that are going to eventually make their
[32:09] Speaker 1: way through. Right. It's also in the Australian here. But
[32:12] Speaker 1: there's a sign which has been put on a servo
[32:17] Speaker 1: that I have got for you there to have a
[32:19] Speaker 1: look at, right, which is due to the fuel restrictions
[32:22] Speaker 1: on supply. We are restricting customers to fifty liters only.
[32:27] Speaker 1: There will be no external tanks. We appreciate your support,
[32:30] Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And that's a shell on one
[32:33] Speaker 1: of the suburbs of the Northern Beaches. Yeah, ross the
[32:36] Speaker 1: government's what a week ago, No crisis in parliament today,
[32:40] Speaker 1: stop scaring people. Well, that's what's happening on the Northern
[32:43] Speaker 1: Beaches of Sydney right now. And in part that has
[32:45] Speaker 1: to be decisions being made by fuel companies to start
[32:48] Speaker 1: to say, well, okay, if we've only got so much,
[32:50] Speaker 1: we need to spread it out as far as possible,
[32:51] Speaker 1: including into the regional areas that you represent. But welcome
[32:56] Speaker 1: to twenty first century Australia. And we're a quarter of
[32:59] Speaker 1: the way through the twenty first century in Australia.
[33:05] Speaker 7: And this is what we get.
[33:05] Speaker 12: So the Senate today we had two questions, Can you
[33:08] Speaker 12: guarantee we won't run out of fuel?
[33:09] Speaker 7: They couldn't guarantee.
[33:11] Speaker 12: Could you run guarantee there will be no fuel rationing
[33:13] Speaker 12: couldn't guarantee that. And this is the thing, you know,
[33:16] Speaker 12: every time you ask a question like you played earlier on,
[33:18] Speaker 12: they don't answer. It was all about the straight of
[33:20] Speaker 12: Hall moves, or the Ukrainian War or everything like this. Today,
[33:24] Speaker 12: Well the IRGC aren't on the Hume Highway, you know,
[33:27] Speaker 12: Putin's not on the Bruce Highway, and no one the
[33:31] Speaker 12: MULAS aren't on the m one. So this is a
[33:34] Speaker 12: logistics problem. I go back to that quote, you know
[33:37] Speaker 12: from Omar Bradley, amateurs practice for tactics and professionals practice
[33:42] Speaker 12: for logistics. If they keep saying we have more fuel
[33:44] Speaker 12: than we started this with, why isn't it getting to place?
[33:47] Speaker 7: It is just ridiculous.
[33:48] Speaker 12: It is a joke that they're saying this is a
[33:51] Speaker 12: real problem.
[33:51] Speaker 7: It's not just fuel.
[33:52] Speaker 5: You know.
[33:53] Speaker 12: I learned only last week that urea makes one third
[33:57] Speaker 12: of the glue that goes into making particle boards and
[34:00] Speaker 12: making kitchens. So our construction industry is going to stop
[34:02] Speaker 12: in three weeks too.
[34:03] Speaker 1: It's a joke. Yeah. And that's the thing, Darren. I mean,
[34:05] Speaker 1: the lead times on this are extraordinary right where and
[34:10] Speaker 1: when it only gets worse before it gets better. And again,
[34:12] Speaker 1: as I said, if it all stops tomorrow, it still
[34:14] Speaker 1: keeps going for a long time, doesn't it.
[34:16] Speaker 11: It doesn't. We don't know when this is going to stop.
[34:19] Speaker 11: So correct, the best thing we could have done was
[34:21] Speaker 11: be prepared for it. And China's got one hundred and
[34:24] Speaker 11: twenty days. We're still going to give it to us.
[34:26] Speaker 11: Correct And in a way, why should they if you're
[34:28] Speaker 11: in their position, I don't know why.
[34:30] Speaker 1: If you're about protecting your own homeland, regardless of what
[34:33] Speaker 1: it is, why wouldn't you make decisions an interest in
[34:35] Speaker 1: you of your own home.
[34:35] Speaker 11: We've got to give a bit of pushback on our
[34:37] Speaker 11: l andg I think, and we've tried to do that
[34:39] Speaker 11: a little bit with South Korea and Singapore.
[34:41] Speaker 1: I'm noticing Japan's getting the Harry hits about it.
[34:43] Speaker 11: Yeah, and we'll see how that goes. And there's a
[34:45] Speaker 11: bit of sort of give and take in that. But
[34:48] Speaker 11: it's going to be a difficult period of time, and
[34:51] Speaker 11: it's we don't have any we didn't have to eat
[34:54] Speaker 11: of well. Look if it had gone for one hundred
[34:56] Speaker 11: and twenty days, the conflict, sure, but we four weeks.
[35:00] Speaker 11: We should have been better prepared, Paul. And there's just
[35:02] Speaker 11: no two ways about it. And it's not just that
[35:04] Speaker 11: it's avgas, it's pharmaceuticals. Food is one thing we might
[35:08] Speaker 11: be able to feed ourselves, but you've got to get
[35:10] Speaker 11: the food and transport it. There's and petroleum products that
[35:13] Speaker 11: is used so broadly in so many different things that
[35:17] Speaker 11: we just should have been a bit better prepared.
[35:19] Speaker 1: Absolutely well, said or opinion poll out of Victoria. I
[35:23] Speaker 1: still think that labors in the box. See why, because
[35:25] Speaker 1: we've seen this many times before, or a bad government
[35:28] Speaker 1: should get the flush. But it's not going too well. Interestingly,
[35:32] Speaker 1: there is a pole that is around today. It's done
[35:33] Speaker 1: by freshwater, so grain of salt. Remember what that did
[35:38] Speaker 1: in the federal election.
[35:39] Speaker 11: But still are Labors in powerpool?
[35:40] Speaker 1: They claim, they claim that that and the biddings of
[35:44] Speaker 1: bios but anyway they claim. The Libs are currently at
[35:47] Speaker 1: thirty percent in the primary, Labor at twenty seven, one
[35:50] Speaker 1: nation at twenty. Now, obviously once you throw all of
[35:54] Speaker 1: the Greens into the Labor party you still don't crack fifty. Obviously,
[35:57] Speaker 1: if you put all of one nation together with the lead,
[36:00] Speaker 1: you get to fifty. But we know there's about a
[36:02] Speaker 1: third of Libs who wouldn't preference one nation. So preferences
[36:07] Speaker 1: are all sort of interesting to have a look at here.
[36:09] Speaker 1: But apparently fifty two forty eight in favor of your
[36:12] Speaker 1: position currently where it is. However, apparently if they booted
[36:16] Speaker 1: the leader, it goes back to fifty to fifty in
[36:18] Speaker 1: terms of labor. That'd be because what there's only what
[36:23] Speaker 1: thirty one percent of people who are sort of okay
[36:26] Speaker 1: with justinta Allen authorsby big Carol, Yeah, correct, true, literally, yeah,
[36:32] Speaker 1: of course be Carroll the blog who's currently the deputy.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Very good point, Jess Wilson way out in front as
[36:37] Speaker 1: the preferred premiere right now. So I just want to
[36:40] Speaker 1: say this to you, though, Darren, as a man who
[36:41] Speaker 1: has seen this movie a few times before, where labor
[36:45] Speaker 1: is a down certain amount of pole in certain poles
[36:49] Speaker 1: more than six months out the capacity to be able
[36:52] Speaker 1: to sell the furniture, make the promises, tell everyone they
[36:54] Speaker 1: can work from home and maybe even have a three
[36:56] Speaker 1: day week, but still get paid twice as much. I
[36:58] Speaker 1: wouldn't be writing off labor.
[37:00] Speaker 11: I'm not writing off labor. And part of it is
[37:02] Speaker 11: that fairly or unfairly, the liberals are not that popular.
[37:07] Speaker 11: It's not a strong state for one nation. Historically it's
[37:12] Speaker 11: the People's Republic of Victoria. So you add those couple
[37:16] Speaker 11: of things in. I still think labor is a chance.
[37:20] Speaker 11: I don't think that Jescenter will last to the election.
[37:23] Speaker 11: If anyone thinks that she's not going to win, they
[37:26] Speaker 11: will replace the leader. And that's not really about Jessina.
[37:29] Speaker 11: That's about the tactic.
[37:30] Speaker 1: That's what always happen.
[37:32] Speaker 11: Yeah, that's what happens. You get close to polling day,
[37:34] Speaker 11: you change the leader of rebadge and see how you go.
[37:38] Speaker 11: I think I still think it's a very even contest.
[37:41] Speaker 11: Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is.
[37:43] Speaker 1: Of course it is right. But by the way, the Greens,
[37:45] Speaker 1: as you saw in that they're running at what fourteen percent?
[37:48] Speaker 1: Fourteen percent, So the idea that one nation running at
[37:50] Speaker 1: twenty the Greens at fourteen and again all those demos
[37:53] Speaker 1: I was reading before, just incredible times that we live in.
[37:57] Speaker 1: Let us get to our winners and losers of the week.
[37:59] Speaker 1: Rosso stands for you as the winner or the loser
[38:01] Speaker 1: this week.
[38:04] Speaker 12: Loser Bowen in witness protection again like he's had that
[38:07] Speaker 12: many identities as they send him and it's amazing. Just
[38:09] Speaker 12: won't come out when answer questions right, and I think
[38:12] Speaker 12: they've got a team around hit hunting him on camera.
[38:14] Speaker 7: It's bad for Australia. He's got to do better, all right.
[38:16] Speaker 11: Darren pays me to say, can I do Winner of
[38:19] Speaker 11: the Week putin? He's just had a crack in week.
[38:24] Speaker 11: He's got his fuel going back into Europe. The gas
[38:28] Speaker 11: lines are open.
[38:29] Speaker 1: He's an absolute low life.
[38:31] Speaker 11: He's saying he's the worst flavor. Just to see what
[38:34] Speaker 11: Trump's going to do. Lad's had a hell of.
[38:36] Speaker 1: A week, all right, But okay, justin vote for him.
[38:39] Speaker 1: A good week. You know, I have to say this now.
[38:41] Speaker 1: Just think someone's going to half watch and go on
[38:43] Speaker 1: your program last night praising the right. I'm amazing he's
[38:47] Speaker 1: not praising and he had a good week. All right,
[38:50] Speaker 1: There we go, appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank
[38:52] Speaker 1: you guys. Thanks for the meeting next week. Wow. All right,
[38:55] Speaker 1: quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live.
[38:57] Speaker 1: A bit of footy talk next to than the great
[38:59] Speaker 1: column flew before we're done. Now we are going to
[39:06] Speaker 1: be going to Port mcquarie. We will be there on Sunday.
[39:09] Speaker 1: But I couldn't wait to get there because there is
[39:11] Speaker 1: an incredible announcement where Harvey Norman is getting in and
[39:14] Speaker 1: fully backing in rugby in the regions. Two people who
[39:19] Speaker 1: can take us through this incredible thing are joining us
[39:23] Speaker 1: right now. Shane Joyce and he is with Rugby Mid
[39:26] Speaker 1: North Coast. There's Zone manager, he's in Port right now.
[39:29] Speaker 1: And Faith Nathan who is an Australian women's sevens player.
[39:33] Speaker 1: This whole thing is called the Heart of Rugby Regional
[39:36] Speaker 1: Tour and they both join us now. Shane, love you
[39:39] Speaker 1: to see you, Love you to see you as well. Faith,
[39:41] Speaker 1: give me an idea here about what it does for
[39:43] Speaker 1: a club like yours and a region like Port.
[39:51] Speaker 13: Just creates great credibility for what we're already delivering in
[39:55] Speaker 13: the grassroots level. Supporting Rugby Australia and the Australian Rugby
[39:59] Speaker 13: f Foundation just creates more exposure for more kids to
[40:03] Speaker 13: play our sport, learn from new coaches, learn from former players,
[40:08] Speaker 13: and just enjoy the sport itself.
[40:10] Speaker 1: This is it. I mean rugby obviously has had its
[40:13] Speaker 1: ups and downs, but the grassroots has always been pretty strong.
[40:17] Speaker 1: Here Faith, what does it mean to you to get
[40:19] Speaker 1: to even more support for kids in regional areas, not
[40:23] Speaker 1: just the Mid North Coast, but lots of regions here
[40:25] Speaker 1: to play the sport that you are so damn good at.
[40:30] Speaker 14: I mean, yeah, it's pretty exciting, especially like coaching the
[40:34] Speaker 14: young ones up and coming. Yeah, it's pretty cool seeing
[40:37] Speaker 14: all the young ones get active and get involved in rugby.
[40:40] Speaker 14: I mean, I'm small, I'm little, and I'm playing at
[40:44] Speaker 14: Australia at the level. So yeah, it's just yeah, it's
[40:46] Speaker 14: a ber exciting.
[40:47] Speaker 1: But also, I mean the pathways when it comes to
[40:49] Speaker 1: rugby in particular right in the being recognized at the
[40:53] Speaker 1: Commonwealth Games, the way to be able to play professionally,
[40:59] Speaker 1: to play internationally, the options faith are pretty amazing. Right,
[41:03] Speaker 1: So let's imagine again, you know, there's a kid that'll
[41:05] Speaker 1: be watching us on Sunday night, or watching us right
[41:07] Speaker 1: now on the Mid and Earth Coast of New South
[41:09] Speaker 1: Wales and they could end up you know, obviously the
[41:12] Speaker 1: Glasgow Colm Games probably not going to happen for them
[41:15] Speaker 1: this year, but it might be happening a little further
[41:17] Speaker 1: down the road, or being able to go to all
[41:20] Speaker 1: parts of the world. I mean, how has rugby changed
[41:22] Speaker 1: your life?
[41:24] Speaker 14: I mean Rugby's giving me a lot of opportunities. I
[41:28] Speaker 14: travel the world, so that's my job.
[41:29] Speaker 5: I travel.
[41:30] Speaker 14: I've literally been pretty much everywhere. I meet new people
[41:34] Speaker 14: and the culture, just seeing like how different countries are
[41:37] Speaker 14: and see how they treat one another's honestly and unbelievable experience.
[41:41] Speaker 1: So give me an idea of Shane about this particular
[41:44] Speaker 1: pathway right and about the heart of rugby and that
[41:47] Speaker 1: regional tour, about what it's going to be and how
[41:50] Speaker 1: is it going to help you unearth or cultivate that
[41:54] Speaker 1: young talent and the next level of players eventually for
[41:59] Speaker 1: their stay and go the tars or all the way
[42:02] Speaker 1: through to the country.
[42:04] Speaker 13: Yeah, look at really targeting those ten to twelve year
[42:07] Speaker 13: old age group, which is a vital part of our
[42:10] Speaker 13: rugby experience. That's where they like to pick up the football,
[42:14] Speaker 13: learn the basic skills and then hopefully grow into secondary
[42:18] Speaker 13: schools and continue that right up to their senior grades.
[42:22] Speaker 13: We've been lucky enough on the mid North Coast that
[42:24] Speaker 13: we've seen plenty of players come through the pathways for
[42:28] Speaker 13: sevens and fifteen a side. But this program by Harvey
[42:31] Speaker 13: Norman just enhances that for us and gives us more
[42:34] Speaker 13: ability to see some of these kids to be able
[42:36] Speaker 13: to pick up a football and have a run.
[42:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, Faith, what lies ahead for a kid who does
[42:41] Speaker 1: well in rugby.
[42:44] Speaker 14: Well, hopefully in the Olympics.
[42:47] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[42:48] Speaker 7: That's twenty thirty.
[42:48] Speaker 14: Two Olympics home and Brisbane.
[42:51] Speaker 1: That's it. Imagine that. Fantastic And of course for our
[42:54] Speaker 1: viewers that are watching us who love the Brumbies, love
[42:56] Speaker 1: the Reds right, it's for all of rugby and hopefully
[42:58] Speaker 1: those kids are the ones that are going to be there.
[43:00] Speaker 1: And I hope Faith you're on the field in twenty
[43:02] Speaker 1: thirty two Shane, you and I can cheer on in
[43:04] Speaker 1: the stands. Lovely to see you both.
[43:06] Speaker 14: Thank you, Thank you.
[43:08] Speaker 1: All right, good on you. Another great bit of effort
[43:10] Speaker 1: from Harvey Norman. Always backing in and always backing in
[43:14] Speaker 1: the regions and always backing in regional sport in particular
[43:16] Speaker 1: thanks to the good people of having Normand we will
[43:18] Speaker 1: be doing ourtown from Paul mcquarie on Sunday. One of
[43:21] Speaker 1: our favorite broadcasters in the world is none other than
[43:23] Speaker 1: Colin Flynn. He will end your week with a smile
[43:26] Speaker 1: of the story about broadcasting. Stand by Colin Flynn. You
[43:34] Speaker 1: and me till we're done tonight and then the late
[43:36] Speaker 1: debate takes over. Of course, he joins us now from
[43:38] Speaker 1: the other side of the world, but always in our hearts.
[43:41] Speaker 1: We are fellow broadcasters and we like talking about broadcasting.
[43:44] Speaker 1: But there are people who go too far, and you
[43:47] Speaker 1: had an opportunity to talk to them. How did it go?
[43:52] Speaker 15: Yeah, Paul, great to talk to you, and good morning
[43:54] Speaker 15: from Paris and France. I'm having my cappuccino near the
[43:56] Speaker 15: beautiful Notre Dame, the cathedral.
[43:58] Speaker 7: It's lovely.
[43:59] Speaker 15: But this story actually didn't happen here in Paris. This
[44:02] Speaker 15: started a few days ago on the other side of
[44:04] Speaker 15: Europe in Riga, Latvia. It's broadcasting conference to give you
[44:09] Speaker 15: a bit of context and background that I've been covering
[44:11] Speaker 15: for the past twelve.
[44:12] Speaker 1: Years, called Radio Days.
[44:14] Speaker 15: For over a thousand people involved in radio and podcasting
[44:17] Speaker 15: and this industry that you and I love, Paul, come
[44:19] Speaker 15: together and they talk about what makes radio so strong,
[44:23] Speaker 15: so intimate, so great, and how we can learn from
[44:25] Speaker 15: each other to strengthen the industry. So my job at
[44:28] Speaker 15: this conference, Poul is I have to interview the main speakers.
[44:32] Speaker 15: After they present on stage, they come to me and
[44:34] Speaker 15: I do a short back and forth about their presentation
[44:37] Speaker 15: and the main bullet points this year. Some of the
[44:40] Speaker 15: main speakers on the stage were from Belgium VORT, the
[44:43] Speaker 15: public service broadcaster. It were two co hosts. They do
[44:47] Speaker 15: a morning radio show for young people on the state broadcaster.
[44:51] Speaker 15: They were on stage with their producer talking about what
[44:54] Speaker 15: makes their show so compelling, how they engage young people
[44:57] Speaker 15: and so on. Fine, but Paul is part of presentation.
[45:01] Speaker 15: They showed some of the social media videos they produce.
[45:04] Speaker 15: One of them was a sketch called Blue Monday, where
[45:07] Speaker 15: listeners would ring in and say, hey, I'm really frustrated
[45:09] Speaker 15: about this and this is stressing me out, and they
[45:12] Speaker 15: would take different items and smash them with a baseball
[45:15] Speaker 15: bat to let out the stress. But as I was
[45:17] Speaker 15: watching the video, poll and this is something that you know,
[45:21] Speaker 15: many Christians here are deeply offended by. And I know
[45:24] Speaker 15: they're in Australia people watching sky News they might be
[45:26] Speaker 15: offended by this too when they see it. But they
[45:29] Speaker 15: got a statue of a lady and then they got
[45:31] Speaker 15: a statue of Jesus. They took a back to it
[45:34] Speaker 15: and they smashed it into pieces. Now again some viewers
[45:36] Speaker 15: may find this offensive when they see this clip. But
[45:39] Speaker 15: afterwards I simply asked them about this and were they
[45:42] Speaker 15: worried about the offense this might cause?
[45:45] Speaker 1: And here's what they said.
[45:47] Speaker 15: I saw one part you had a statue of Jesus.
[45:50] Speaker 15: Now I know you laugh, but do you think that
[45:52] Speaker 15: for many listeners they would find that so deeply offensive
[45:55] Speaker 15: to take a bat into smash Jesus into pieces?
[45:59] Speaker 7: By the way, there.
[46:01] Speaker 15: Was one I think of Madonna, the Madonna and the Child,
[46:03] Speaker 15: and that was one of Jesus.
[46:04] Speaker 3: So the thing, that's a very good question, because I
[46:06] Speaker 3: think it might offend people. I think in Belgium not really,
[46:09] Speaker 3: We're not a very religious country. I would have been
[46:12] Speaker 3: more careful in another country. Definitely, in Belgium it is
[46:16] Speaker 3: not a big issue.
[46:18] Speaker 15: Let me ask you this. If you were doing the
[46:19] Speaker 15: video again, would you smash a symbol of the prophet Mohammad?
[46:24] Speaker 3: That is a very dangerous word.
[46:26] Speaker 7: You wouldn't do it?
[46:27] Speaker 15: Why not?
[46:28] Speaker 13: No?
[46:28] Speaker 1: Because that would be inappropriate because in Belgium there are many.
[46:32] Speaker 15: There are Christians too, I know the Pope visited Belgium recently. No,
[46:35] Speaker 15: I know there are Christians, but it's since we are
[46:39] Speaker 15: all from the Christian tradition.
[46:41] Speaker 3: I think it's like laughing with yourself, or like.
[46:45] Speaker 15: You would never do it with Mohammed no Star of
[46:48] Speaker 15: David for Judaism.
[46:50] Speaker 7: I would have done it.
[46:51] Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it.
[46:52] Speaker 3: No, it's the same thing.
[46:53] Speaker 5: I think.
[46:54] Speaker 3: We have all been raised Catholic, so that gives us
[46:58] Speaker 3: a little more credit to do this.
[47:00] Speaker 15: You have listeners who are Christians too, and it's taxpayer
[47:03] Speaker 15: funded VRT, it's the public broadcaster.
[47:05] Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I think you have to look at the
[47:08] Speaker 3: specific audience of your station.
[47:11] Speaker 1: Column that is unbelievable, right you know again, you know
[47:17] Speaker 1: I'm just aghast at the idea. Oh and no, well
[47:19] Speaker 1: that's because we're of the fact of the tradition. We can.
[47:22] Speaker 1: But well we all know why they're not going to
[47:23] Speaker 1: go in any other direction. That is a disgrace. And
[47:26] Speaker 1: good on you for looking them right in the eye
[47:29] Speaker 1: and well giving them the opportunity to well condemn themselves
[47:34] Speaker 1: about such a stupid thing to do.
[47:37] Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm paul to point out you know when they
[47:39] Speaker 15: come over, I asked them beforehand, I said, look, is
[47:41] Speaker 15: it okay if I ask you about this and about
[47:43] Speaker 15: how it could be very offensive? So it was in
[47:45] Speaker 15: no way in ambush, and also to their credit they
[47:47] Speaker 15: said sure you can ask us and we can talk
[47:49] Speaker 15: about it, and that was part of a longer conversation
[47:52] Speaker 15: that was very respectful and cordial, as you saw. But
[47:55] Speaker 15: the interesting thing, Paul is that I don't think any
[47:58] Speaker 15: of them respected the kind of reaction that has got
[48:01] Speaker 15: because it immediately got one point five million views on Twitter,
[48:07] Speaker 15: It has made all of the national newspapers across Belgium.
[48:10] Speaker 15: It has been talked about in the Belgian Parliament in
[48:13] Speaker 15: a very heated way, and the Minister for Media had
[48:16] Speaker 15: to release a statement saying that it was a painful
[48:18] Speaker 15: segment to watch, but glad that they've acknowledged the wrongdoing
[48:22] Speaker 15: the state public broadcast of Belgium VORT. They eventually issued
[48:27] Speaker 15: an apology saying that they would do things differently now.
[48:30] Speaker 15: But it has created this huge national conversation here in Belgium,
[48:35] Speaker 15: or in Belgium where I was a few days ago
[48:37] Speaker 15: as well, and now here in Paris.
[48:39] Speaker 1: Well, Colin, thank you so much, Matte, I do appreciate it.
[48:42] Speaker 1: Good on you for confronting They might have a wonderful
[48:43] Speaker 1: wake in in Paris with the police of the bag
[48:47] Speaker 1: What a beautiful, wide a way that wake have a
[48:49] Speaker 1: good time. Mat Thank you so much, We'll see you again.
[48:51] Speaker 1: On Sunday Night. Gotagas Yankees chases on the case, and
[48:54] Speaker 1: the light debate is now see in Port

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