# Paul Murray Live | 20 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 20 Jul 2026, 54 min.

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Keir Starmer delivers a farewell address, the King appoints Andy Burnham as the UK Prime Minister. Plus, Pauline Hanson's One Nation regains ground in the latest Newspoll. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky, new setter, This is Paul Murray live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Sherry, welcome back. Nice to see you. It
[0:09] Speaker 1: has just gone midday in London, in the capital of
[0:12] Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, where there is a transition happening as
[0:15] Speaker 1: we speak at this hour. So Kias Starmer has formally
[0:19] Speaker 1: resigned as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, meeting
[0:22] Speaker 1: with King Charles in Buckingham Palace. Within this hour, Ka
[0:26] Speaker 1: Starmer will of course leave the palace. He leaves as
[0:30] Speaker 1: a former Prime Minister, he becomes a citizen, and then
[0:35] Speaker 1: in the next hour, the fifty ninth Prime Minister of
[0:41] Speaker 1: the United Kingdom will be formally asked to become that
[0:46] Speaker 1: leader of the government. Since seventeen twenty one, this process
[0:51] Speaker 1: has been taking place. The history is obvious, the connections
[0:55] Speaker 1: of our country to this country are obvious as well.
[0:59] Speaker 1: But a scenario that plays out now is that a
[1:01] Speaker 1: fifty six year old man called Andy Burnham is about
[1:03] Speaker 1: to become the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the
[1:05] Speaker 1: leader of the Labor Party. He will do so with
[1:08] Speaker 1: a couple more years until the next general election. They
[1:10] Speaker 1: have not fixed terms, but they do have five year terms.
[1:15] Speaker 1: In the United Kingdom. There will be some pressure upon
[1:18] Speaker 1: him to actually end up with a mandate from the
[1:21] Speaker 1: British people, because of course he did not go to
[1:25] Speaker 1: an election. He has done so essentially in a bloodless coup.
[1:31] Speaker 1: He was able to force, through a series of resignations
[1:35] Speaker 1: a Sekir Starmer out of the office, and of course
[1:38] Speaker 1: he was a former minister, a former MP. He then
[1:42] Speaker 1: went off and became the mayor of Greater Manchester, which
[1:45] Speaker 1: is of course one of the major cities in the
[1:47] Speaker 1: north of the country. This, of course is an area
[1:50] Speaker 1: that has become problematic for the Labor Party because when
[1:54] Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbyn was the leader, the North voted to leave
[1:59] Speaker 1: the Eueremy Corbyn wanted them to stay. So in two
[2:01] Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen, of course there was a giant transfer
[2:05] Speaker 1: from the Labor Party to the Conservatives, a mega result
[2:10] Speaker 1: which put Boris Johnson in the position. He then had
[2:14] Speaker 1: a scenario where after Boris Johnson had been toppled from
[2:19] Speaker 1: office in the post COVID era that eventually there was
[2:24] Speaker 1: an election after a couple of prime ministers, and then
[2:27] Speaker 1: there was a huge resurgence of the Labor Party built
[2:31] Speaker 1: in part over that north of England, a place that
[2:35] Speaker 1: had traditionally always voted Labor but for the first time
[2:38] Speaker 1: in its lifetime, had gone against the Labor Party. Much
[2:41] Speaker 1: of the North now has moved, according to the polls,
[2:44] Speaker 1: towards reform. So the decision about Andy Burnham is actively
[2:49] Speaker 1: about trying to rebuild the red Wall. We'll all find
[2:53] Speaker 1: out together whether he's able to do that. All of
[2:55] Speaker 1: the fundamental problems that exists for the government still exist,
[2:59] Speaker 1: but inevitably, the set moment of a new Prime Minister,
[3:01] Speaker 1: the inevitable honeymoon that comes with it, also gives an
[3:05] Speaker 1: opportunity for perhaps some dramatic changes that will take place
[3:09] Speaker 1: in the way the Labor Party is trying to reconnect
[3:12] Speaker 1: with the country now. Andy Burnham himself has been many
[3:14] Speaker 1: things to many people over a long period of time,
[3:17] Speaker 1: but he's trying to position himself as somebody who because
[3:19] Speaker 1: they don't have state government in the United Kingdom. Obviously,
[3:23] Speaker 1: the Scottish and Welsh parliaments operate somewhat independently, but effectively
[3:29] Speaker 1: it's a federal system, but the local councils there are
[3:33] Speaker 1: very powerful. Andy Bermingham, being a person who's just come
[3:37] Speaker 1: out of that office, is apparently planning to give greater
[3:41] Speaker 1: power to local areas. Now in the United Kingdom, similar
[3:45] Speaker 1: to the United States, the local councils have responsibility for
[3:50] Speaker 1: the police service. They have a whole series of local powers. Now,
[3:56] Speaker 1: as you can see, some other cars have just made
[3:58] Speaker 1: their way in the assumption being that Andy Burnham could
[4:01] Speaker 1: will be in one of those two vehicles. I'm not
[4:04] Speaker 1: going to sit on a live shot and talk you
[4:06] Speaker 1: through this for the next hour or so, but the
[4:09] Speaker 1: key moments that are playing at as we speak means
[4:11] Speaker 1: that you are seeing here either a vehicle coming to
[4:16] Speaker 1: take Kostarma after his audience with the King, or it
[4:20] Speaker 1: is Andy Burnham appearing for his audience with the King.
[4:24] Speaker 1: We will know upon the opening of the door, and
[4:26] Speaker 1: the assumption being that if there's people in the back there,
[4:28] Speaker 1: that it'd have to be Andy Burnham getting ready to
[4:30] Speaker 1: assume the Prime ministership of the United Kingdom. Again. He's
[4:36] Speaker 1: a fifty six year old man. He's there with his wife,
[4:39] Speaker 1: he's got three kids, they're all in their twenties. This is,
[4:43] Speaker 1: of course a moment not just of history, but of
[4:46] Speaker 1: course of his ambition is run for the Labor Party
[4:49] Speaker 1: leadership on multiple occasions. But now he is about to
[4:52] Speaker 1: have an audience with his Majesty and formerly be asked
[4:56] Speaker 1: to form the government. He'll be able to do it
[4:58] Speaker 1: as the leader of the Labour Party with the extreme
[5:00] Speaker 1: numbers that they have in the Parliament. As for Sekiah Starmer,
[5:03] Speaker 1: this is a photo of him with King Charles as
[5:06] Speaker 1: he was tendering his resignation. So an orderly transition, one
[5:11] Speaker 1: that has happened again since seventeen twenty one. If you
[5:18] Speaker 1: ever been to any of these beautiful buildings, you were
[5:20] Speaker 1: immediately struck by the history of all of them. It
[5:23] Speaker 1: connects us not just to previous generations, but literally to
[5:27] Speaker 1: previous centuries. Earlier tonight, Sakiah Starmer gave farewell comments out
[5:33] Speaker 1: the front of Number ten, where he said that his
[5:35] Speaker 1: work has been done. Obviously it was not his decision
[5:39] Speaker 1: to move. Instead the party moved against him. But in
[5:41] Speaker 1: the end he has now said that his moment in
[5:43] Speaker 1: history has passed, and as we sit here tonight, we
[5:46] Speaker 1: are getting ready for the beginning of another one. Because
[5:49] Speaker 1: there will be nothing more than still photography that will
[5:52] Speaker 1: come out of the next couple of minutes. I'll move
[5:54] Speaker 1: into some other observations about the news that is happening
[5:57] Speaker 1: throughout the day. The expectation is that the audience with
[6:01] Speaker 1: the King is not set for a specific period of time,
[6:04] Speaker 1: but I would expect that within the next sixty minutes. Obviously,
[6:07] Speaker 1: he comes out of that and then goes straight to
[6:09] Speaker 1: Number ten, and like all incoming Prime ministers, will stop
[6:13] Speaker 1: the car at the end of Downing Street and make
[6:15] Speaker 1: his way up through a crowd of supporters staff MPs
[6:20] Speaker 1: that will cheer him to a lectern and within this
[6:22] Speaker 1: hour we will hear from a new Prime Minister of
[6:25] Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. But first a few things that I
[6:28] Speaker 1: want to talk about here, and the greatest country of
[6:29] Speaker 1: all this one. But of course anything live, you'll see
[6:32] Speaker 1: it here as it happens. The joy of modern technology today.
[6:37] Speaker 1: I was in and out of Melbourne for a few
[6:40] Speaker 1: hours because I was attending the state funeral of my
[6:43] Speaker 1: friend Darren Hinch. As you know, I loved him very much.
[6:48] Speaker 1: As he always said that the only thing that is
[6:51] Speaker 1: owed to people who've died is the truth, and the
[6:54] Speaker 1: truth was that sadly we didn't speak as much as
[6:56] Speaker 1: we should have over the last couple of years, but
[7:00] Speaker 1: I learned from an awful lot of people today about
[7:03] Speaker 1: how frequently he spoke of me, and I, of course,
[7:07] Speaker 1: have always spoke so warmly of him. A broadcaster, a senator,
[7:10] Speaker 1: a history maker, a man who lived life exactly the
[7:14] Speaker 1: way he wanted to, and his service, if you were
[7:16] Speaker 1: able to see it in the middle of the day,
[7:18] Speaker 1: you know what I'm about to talk about, was pretty spectacular.
[7:21] Speaker 1: I thought I had cried all of my tears for
[7:24] Speaker 1: my friend, but there were plenty more because the people
[7:26] Speaker 1: who knew him are far better than I ever could have.
[7:30] Speaker 1: Despite the fact that I knew him pretty damn well.
[7:34] Speaker 1: Were the people who were speaking at his funeral, including
[7:37] Speaker 1: a spectacular master of ceremonies, who of course was a
[7:40] Speaker 1: three at w legend, speaking about the great man that
[7:43] Speaker 1: we honored today.
[7:45] Speaker 2: He was a journalist.
[7:46] Speaker 3: He was a newspaper reporter first up. Then he was
[7:50] Speaker 3: all sorts of things. He was a TV presenter, He
[7:53] Speaker 3: was a godfather, an author, a senator, He was a
[7:58] Speaker 3: prisoner at all. And you know, some people passed through
[8:03] Speaker 3: life through public life, that is, without leaving a ripple.
[8:06] Speaker 3: I'll tell you, as most of us here know, he
[8:09] Speaker 3: created Tsunamis.
[8:10] Speaker 1: There was a lot going on now. Darren did a
[8:13] Speaker 1: spectacular job of honoring his friend and honoring the legend
[8:17] Speaker 1: in his many, many forms. Today. He did a spectacular
[8:20] Speaker 1: job of weaving in and out of the many, many
[8:24] Speaker 1: stories that people have had and have shared since his
[8:27] Speaker 1: passing in the past couple of weeks. But there's one
[8:31] Speaker 1: thing that I was reminded of today, and I had
[8:33] Speaker 1: actually forgotten where I had learnt it. But I learned
[8:37] Speaker 1: it a long time ago from Darren Hinch, and that
[8:40] Speaker 1: was that he had a whole bunch of rules or laws,
[8:45] Speaker 1: as he would say about how things would work. Like
[8:48] Speaker 1: if you were having dinner with him or at luncheon,
[8:50] Speaker 1: if the food arrived for you first, you didn't wait.
[8:53] Speaker 1: Hinch's rule was it's hot, eat it now. And another
[8:57] Speaker 1: little one is one that I'd love to pass on
[8:59] Speaker 1: to you now because I hope this isn't just a
[9:02] Speaker 1: way of remembering Darren Hinch, but it's a lovely tip
[9:05] Speaker 1: the next time you go out for lunch or dinner,
[9:08] Speaker 1: to make sure you've got a little bit of elbow room.
[9:11] Speaker 1: I do this every time I book at a restaurant.
[9:15] Speaker 3: If you're dining at a restaurant for two when your
[9:19] Speaker 3: book book for three. So when the third person doesn't
[9:23] Speaker 3: show up, you're at a table for four, and you've
[9:27] Speaker 3: got more room for your wine. I love that one.
[9:32] Speaker 3: He rang me up and said, Sunshine, we're going to lunch.
[9:35] Speaker 3: And I got to the restaurant earlier. I said, booking
[9:37] Speaker 3: for Hinch. He said, yes, table for three over here
[9:39] Speaker 3: this way. So it took us to a table of
[9:40] Speaker 3: four three quarters of the way through the lunch. I said,
[9:42] Speaker 3: who else is coming? And he said, no one, just
[9:45] Speaker 3: you and me.
[9:45] Speaker 4: I said, your book for three.
[9:46] Speaker 3: He said that he told me about Inch's law number seven.
[9:50] Speaker 1: It's a brilliant trick. It's a brilliant trick, all right,
[9:52] Speaker 1: So Hinches Law number seven. Never forget it, and when
[9:55] Speaker 1: you do, remember where you learnt it from and about
[9:58] Speaker 1: how much it was always a pleasure to be able
[10:00] Speaker 1: to have lunch with him, to have dinner with him,
[10:04] Speaker 1: to have a pizza with him when he was working
[10:06] Speaker 1: here Sky News, to visit him in his house, to
[10:09] Speaker 1: learn from him, and not just about tricks about how
[10:12] Speaker 1: to do this on TV, but to learn from him
[10:15] Speaker 1: about how important it is to be as honest as
[10:20] Speaker 1: beyond humanly possible with your audience, be it on radio,
[10:23] Speaker 1: be it on television, or be it in print, Be
[10:26] Speaker 1: the most honest version of yourself, No bang on, be
[10:29] Speaker 1: as open with your life as possible. And it's a
[10:33] Speaker 1: lesson that I have long learned and will long put
[10:37] Speaker 1: in place for as long as I have access to
[10:40] Speaker 1: the opportunity to be with you in the forum that
[10:43] Speaker 1: we are now, which I expect to be for a
[10:46] Speaker 1: very long time. Ain't going anywhere. Many wonderful colleagues from
[10:50] Speaker 1: three aw from station managers to the great voice of
[10:54] Speaker 1: the AFL, Craig Willis, who spoke about his time with him,
[10:58] Speaker 1: but also delivered some remarks on the behalf of his
[11:00] Speaker 1: brother that were just beautiful, including this wonderful anecdote that
[11:05] Speaker 1: when they were kids, of course back in New Zealand,
[11:07] Speaker 1: they had to share a room and there was a
[11:09] Speaker 1: line right down the middle of the room where the
[11:12] Speaker 1: clean side was his brothers, and the side with all
[11:15] Speaker 1: the notes and all the everything and stuff all over
[11:17] Speaker 1: the place reflecting all of his different interests was of
[11:19] Speaker 1: course Darren's. And the reflection from his brother read by
[11:24] Speaker 1: Craig today was that hopefully all of the different memories
[11:27] Speaker 1: that all of us have about Hinch, whether we knew him,
[11:30] Speaker 1: didn't know him, met him, heard of him, watched him,
[11:32] Speaker 1: worked for him. Whatever, the panoply of people who were
[11:36] Speaker 1: affected by his life that, in many ways, all of
[11:39] Speaker 1: that stuff on his side of the room is now
[11:41] Speaker 1: represented by our collective memories of him. I thought there
[11:44] Speaker 1: was a beautiful touch. But again of his colleagues at THREEAW,
[11:49] Speaker 1: the people who revered his technique, who loved him as
[11:53] Speaker 1: a bloke, who celebrated him way beyond his time at
[11:57] Speaker 1: three AW, but in the Parliament, out of the Parliament,
[12:00] Speaker 1: in sickness, in health, ups and downs. Tony Tardier, formerly
[12:04] Speaker 1: of the newsroom at three OURW, just gave a spectacular
[12:09] Speaker 1: insight into the many, many phases of Darren Hinch, the journalist,
[12:15] Speaker 1: the reporter, the broadcaster. He even decided to follow that
[12:20] Speaker 1: central rule, which is you've got to tell the truth
[12:23] Speaker 1: even after somebody's gone. And the truth was a good one.
[12:27] Speaker 5: Today a generation I only know him from the World
[12:32] Speaker 5: Boy movie. Who could forget his editorial When John Blackman
[12:45] Speaker 5: jumps ship to go to three AK and claim three
[12:48] Speaker 5: AW had lost its soul, Hinch thundered on air, three
[12:55] Speaker 5: AW hasn't lost its soul, it's lost an asshole. Years
[13:04] Speaker 5: later they made peace. Darron invited John to his eightieth
[13:09] Speaker 5: birthday party and John accepted the invitation. He's lied in
[13:17] Speaker 5: the movie Shame, Shame, Shame. In the walg Boy movie,
[13:22] Speaker 5: he said, is the only time he actually ever said
[13:25] Speaker 5: those words. Hinch interviewed the Dalai Lama four times, Bob Hope,
[13:33] Speaker 5: Sophia Loren, Walter Cronkite, Alfred Hitchcock, Jack Lemon, Harrison Ford,
[13:41] Speaker 5: John Wayne, Bette Midler. Darren always said, the only thing
[13:49] Speaker 5: history owes the dead is the truth. Well here it goes.
[13:56] Speaker 5: Darren and Bette Midler engaged in a bit of horizontal
[14:01] Speaker 5: rumper after that interview, and that is the truth. Hinch
[14:12] Speaker 5: was a journalistic James Bond. Drama followed him everywhere, even
[14:18] Speaker 5: to his first wedding. In nineteen sixty five. He was
[14:23] Speaker 5: at a church in Sydney waiting at the end of
[14:26] Speaker 5: the isle for his wife to be Lana. She was
[14:30] Speaker 5: walking down being escorted by her uncle. Half Way down
[14:35] Speaker 5: the aisle, Darren heard a thud. He turned to see
[14:40] Speaker 5: the uncle collapsed and died of a heart attack. For
[14:46] Speaker 5: any person, that will be enough drama for one lifetime,
[14:50] Speaker 5: not darn. In the years that followed, he would marry
[14:55] Speaker 5: four times, be sacked sixteen times, get rich, go broke,
[15:03] Speaker 5: get rich again, go to jail, get a liver transplant,
[15:09] Speaker 5: become a senator, and do it all as if it's
[15:14] Speaker 5: the most normal thing in the world.
[15:17] Speaker 1: Beautifully written, beautifully written, beautifully said with that wonderful voice.
[15:20] Speaker 1: In fact, I did a series of podcasts with Tony
[15:22] Speaker 1: It's called That's Life or Darren Inch's That's Life with
[15:25] Speaker 1: Tony Tardio. I'll make sure that I put a link
[15:28] Speaker 1: up to it on my Facebook page, And of course,
[15:31] Speaker 1: if you followed Darren, you know how much you particularly
[15:33] Speaker 1: loved Facebook. But that's a great insight into the many,
[15:35] Speaker 1: many stories that he had about his career. As I
[15:39] Speaker 1: sat there, like you always do at a funeral, when
[15:42] Speaker 1: you see that photo montage, it just rips your heart out.
[15:47] Speaker 1: But particularly the reason I included that John Blackman story,
[15:50] Speaker 1: and of course John Blackman was the man of a
[15:53] Speaker 1: thousand voices on Hey, Hey, It's Saturday, was the importance
[15:59] Speaker 1: and the of forgiveness, and lots of us have got
[16:03] Speaker 1: lots of little niggles and lots of little grievances, and
[16:08] Speaker 1: sometimes we've forgotten the reason why we don't talk to
[16:10] Speaker 1: certain people anymore. But forgive people, get over it. Find
[16:17] Speaker 1: a way to get back in touch with the people
[16:20] Speaker 1: that you've lost that contact with, as those two blokes did,
[16:22] Speaker 1: as Darren did with many other people, and to all
[16:27] Speaker 1: those people who you just have lost touch with, find
[16:33] Speaker 1: a way just randomly high how were you. It's as
[16:36] Speaker 1: easy as that. And that's what I certainly will commit
[16:39] Speaker 1: myself to for the rest of this week and for
[16:42] Speaker 1: the rest of my life, which is to not hold
[16:43] Speaker 1: grudges and to try to get over the ones that
[16:47] Speaker 1: you think really matter but they don't in the end.
[16:51] Speaker 1: And finally, I want to show you Jackie Weaver. Now,
[16:53] Speaker 1: of course, as you heard, he was married many times.
[16:57] Speaker 1: I gave Lanna a big hug today, was lovely to
[17:01] Speaker 1: spend time with her. And Jackie Weaver always loved Darren,
[17:08] Speaker 1: and she opened with a message that if you knew
[17:11] Speaker 1: Darren closely or from afar, was probably the most honest
[17:15] Speaker 1: thing that you could say. At his funeral with the
[17:19] Speaker 1: whole country watching on the.
[17:22] Speaker 3: Schedule prevented her from being here today, But Jackie, I believe,
[17:26] Speaker 3: has recorded a tribute for Darren.
[17:28] Speaker 6: Hello everyone. Jackie Weaver here, Darren's third wife and close
[17:35] Speaker 6: friend for almost half a century. We stayed very close.
[17:39] Speaker 6: In fact, he texted me the night that he died.
[17:44] Speaker 6: Most people do not like making speeches at funerals, and
[17:49] Speaker 6: I'm no exception, but Darren made me promise over and
[17:52] Speaker 6: over and over again that I would, and so here
[17:55] Speaker 6: I am. I wish I could be there in person,
[17:58] Speaker 6: but I'm filming in the red desert wilds of Western Australia,
[18:02] Speaker 6: in the Goldfields. I want to start by acknowledging sincerely
[18:08] Speaker 6: and warmly all the women that Darren loved and who
[18:16] Speaker 6: loved him in return. Hello, I won't mention you individually.
[18:23] Speaker 6: We don't have the time. And in the immortal words
[18:27] Speaker 6: of Steven Spielberg, We're going to need a bigger boat.
[18:31] Speaker 1: And in the moment of a person who loved him
[18:38] Speaker 1: saying goodbye, and there were many people who had a
[18:41] Speaker 1: tear as they heard these words, and have all of
[18:44] Speaker 1: the speakers, they did a wonderful job of saying goodbye
[18:47] Speaker 1: to their mate.
[18:49] Speaker 6: And from me, Joby, goodbye. I love you, Joby. I've
[18:57] Speaker 6: loved you from the very start to the very end.
[19:01] Speaker 6: Good Night, sweet dreams.
[19:04] Speaker 1: Good night Chokey tou Annette, who was there for such
[19:10] Speaker 1: a massive part of his life. You did him so
[19:13] Speaker 1: proud today, putting all of that together, I wanted to
[19:15] Speaker 1: take some time, because he is a titanic figure of
[19:19] Speaker 1: our business and a titanic figure of my life. To
[19:23] Speaker 1: call him friend, to call him TV dad, and to
[19:25] Speaker 1: be called his TV son means the world. So I'll
[19:30] Speaker 1: think of you often, Darren. I'll try not to disappoint you,
[19:34] Speaker 1: but when I do, I'll feel the kick up the backside.
[19:39] Speaker 1: Thank you for everything, most of all to be your
[19:42] Speaker 1: friend has been a privilege of a lifetime. Strength and
[19:46] Speaker 1: loved everyone who loves Darren Hinch. Tonight to the UK
[19:51] Speaker 1: and what is happening right now? The transition of power
[19:53] Speaker 1: that has taken place has now been confirmed with a
[19:57] Speaker 1: photo from Buckingham Palace. This is the moment where Andy Burnham,
[20:01] Speaker 1: the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, has met
[20:04] Speaker 1: the King. Now, of course, the King and the Prime
[20:06] Speaker 1: Minister of the United Kingdom they often have a weekly appointment,
[20:11] Speaker 1: as it was with Queen Elizabeth and previous monarchs. We
[20:14] Speaker 1: never know what happens inside those conversations. Of course, One
[20:18] Speaker 1: of the many, many things that we all admired about
[20:20] Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth was how many Prime ministers that she had
[20:23] Speaker 1: met with, who she had heard the confessions of at times,
[20:29] Speaker 1: and who she no doubt had confided in. And the
[20:31] Speaker 1: same and our is for her son, as the Monarch,
[20:34] Speaker 1: who too has seen many prime ministers come and go.
[20:39] Speaker 1: It is the quiet continuity of this system that is one,
[20:44] Speaker 1: regardless of whom is about to become Prime Minister, and
[20:47] Speaker 1: regardless of whether you feel warmth or otherwise towards the monarch,
[20:51] Speaker 1: the continuity of this system in many ways, yes, the
[20:56] Speaker 1: absolute pageantry of Buckingham Palace, but it's not like a
[20:59] Speaker 1: man I reckon an inauguration of parades and speeches and dancers.
[21:04] Speaker 1: It is the highly formal but very personal exchange between
[21:08] Speaker 1: two people, and then the modern theatrics which are laid
[21:13] Speaker 1: on upon the return to number ten. But Andy Burnham
[21:16] Speaker 1: has become the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
[21:20] Speaker 1: When he speaks at the microphone, or at least obviously
[21:24] Speaker 1: leaves the palace, we will obviously show him traveling through
[21:29] Speaker 1: and we will then make sure that we'll take the
[21:32] Speaker 1: very latest that he has to say when he has
[21:34] Speaker 1: to say it, all right, So the headlines in there
[21:39] Speaker 1: around Pauline Hanson. Now, James Ashby's going to be on
[21:42] Speaker 1: the show tonight because he doesn't think that it was
[21:44] Speaker 1: particularly fair the way that the Channel seven Spotlight program
[21:48] Speaker 1: was put together in the end or ended up going
[21:50] Speaker 1: to air. We'll get into the detail of that a
[21:52] Speaker 1: little bit later, but as you know, we have a
[21:55] Speaker 1: scenario where Pauline Hanson back up in the polls, just
[21:58] Speaker 1: as I told you last week, when it's a couple
[22:00] Speaker 1: of points, here are a couple of points there, it
[22:02] Speaker 1: is no tectonic movement for or against their backs. And
[22:06] Speaker 1: of course now at thirty thirty percent level with labor,
[22:10] Speaker 1: labor was a little bit too hot when it went
[22:11] Speaker 1: up by a couple. One nation was probably a little
[22:14] Speaker 1: bit off when it came down by a couple. So
[22:16] Speaker 1: we're basically where we are now about one About one
[22:19] Speaker 1: point three million people watched the program last night. And
[22:24] Speaker 1: I know some of my other colleagues have made this point,
[22:26] Speaker 1: but I want to reach out to this point here,
[22:29] Speaker 1: which is that I'm not really bothered by all of
[22:33] Speaker 1: the UK of all of it. Obviously, I've no interest
[22:35] Speaker 1: in Tommy Robinson. I know that Robert Lowe is particularly
[22:40] Speaker 1: rupert Losorry is particularly liked by a certain section of
[22:42] Speaker 1: the internet. But great, that's their country. Okay. You also
[22:46] Speaker 1: know that when there was a conversation about so what
[22:49] Speaker 1: do you think of that bloke's idea about the mass
[22:51] Speaker 1: deportation of people that are illegally in the country, Well,
[22:55] Speaker 1: here he is again the outrage because they tried to
[22:59] Speaker 1: make it seem like she wanted to bring in an
[23:02] Speaker 1: Australian version of ice knocking door to door on anyone
[23:05] Speaker 1: who looks different. But of course that's not what was
[23:08] Speaker 1: even put on the program. That was the spin that
[23:10] Speaker 1: came after the program.
[23:13] Speaker 7: She talks about wanting to deport thousands and thousands of people.
[23:18] Speaker 7: She also backed in mass deportation and said that all
[23:22] Speaker 7: of her members of Parliament's support her in that call
[23:26] Speaker 7: for mass deportation.
[23:28] Speaker 1: But what actually happened on the program. Now again, of
[23:31] Speaker 1: course I'm showing you a clip of what is inevitably
[23:34] Speaker 1: a lot much longer conversation that they've then clipped into
[23:37] Speaker 1: what we saw last night on Channel seven. But this
[23:40] Speaker 1: is what she actually said, and match that up with
[23:43] Speaker 1: what you just heard from the handsome haters.
[23:46] Speaker 8: All right, well, let's leave a detail to one side.
[23:48] Speaker 8: But you're more than comfortable with the conception and arms
[23:52] Speaker 8: put at by.
[23:54] Speaker 9: My colleagues who totally agree.
[23:57] Speaker 8: A tick to mass deportation.
[24:00] Speaker 9: Yeah, for the ones that are here illegally in the country.
[24:03] Speaker 1: Who has any problem with this? Now, again, as Bunnaby
[24:07] Speaker 1: Joyce explained, mass deportation means when anyone whom we know
[24:11] Speaker 1: to be somebody who's overstayed their visa or is here
[24:14] Speaker 1: illegally interacts with the system, then the system would flag
[24:18] Speaker 1: that that person is and they would be removed from
[24:21] Speaker 1: the country. Now, this is exactly the system that we
[24:25] Speaker 1: should have. Because we have borders, we have to have
[24:27] Speaker 1: a process where you've got to fill out a form,
[24:29] Speaker 1: you've got to earn the right to citizenship. If you
[24:32] Speaker 1: come here not as a citizen, then there's got to
[24:33] Speaker 1: be a particular type of visa that lets you into
[24:36] Speaker 1: the country. I don't see anything controversial with that, but
[24:39] Speaker 1: the spin on the ball, my goodness may please. And
[24:41] Speaker 1: then this, of course, the White Australia stuff.
[24:45] Speaker 7: She blamed the end of the White Australia policy for
[24:48] Speaker 7: our migration isships and controversy does follow the right wing
[24:51] Speaker 7: senator wherever she goes from Afar.
[24:53] Speaker 8: The One Nation leader appearing to lament the end of
[24:56] Speaker 8: the white Australia policy.
[24:58] Speaker 1: But as you know, that's not what she actually said. Now,
[25:01] Speaker 1: I'm sorry that you're going to hear part of Tommy
[25:02] Speaker 1: Robinson here, but it is the leading to the conversation
[25:06] Speaker 1: and those two words that again, Australia isn't about left
[25:10] Speaker 1: and right any more, It's about people who pay attention
[25:12] Speaker 1: or don't. Now, thankfully almost one half Median people saw
[25:16] Speaker 1: this last night, let alone the many little said on
[25:18] Speaker 1: social media, so they saw what she actually said and
[25:22] Speaker 1: realized that some of that's been just not true. What
[25:26] Speaker 1: is the immigration policy of Australia. How have you ended
[25:29] Speaker 1: up with Pakistani's, Somalis all of these African problems with
[25:34] Speaker 1: violent African.
[25:35] Speaker 9: Well, it started in nineteen seventy three with GoF whitlam.
[25:37] Speaker 9: So they opened up and got rid of the wide
[25:39] Speaker 9: Australia policy. Then they started bringing in the different migrants
[25:43] Speaker 9: and they a lot of them couldn't speak English, but
[25:46] Speaker 9: they weren't to speak English. But over the decades, as
[25:50] Speaker 9: the governments have changed and different people, they brought in
[25:53] Speaker 9: and a lot of people come into Australia purely for
[25:55] Speaker 9: the welfare system.
[25:57] Speaker 1: Okay, that's what was said, but it reminds me a
[26:01] Speaker 1: little bit remember the National Press Club speech. Now, of
[26:04] Speaker 1: course this was the supposed turning Poyt, the beginning of
[26:06] Speaker 1: the end, but of course it wasn't when this is
[26:09] Speaker 1: what she actually said.
[26:12] Speaker 9: We cannot be a multicultural society. We are a multi
[26:18] Speaker 9: racial society, but we must be mono cultural. Australians must
[26:25] Speaker 9: live under the one cultural umbrella.
[26:29] Speaker 1: Now I know what she's saying, I know what it means.
[26:32] Speaker 1: Awkward form of language. And everyone's gone off and tried
[26:35] Speaker 1: to turn this into the new swear word. But then
[26:38] Speaker 1: there's the people who just lie. Again. The country isn't
[26:40] Speaker 1: about left and right. It's about whether you pay attention
[26:42] Speaker 1: or not. If you pay attention, If you heard the speech,
[26:44] Speaker 1: if you've heard the grabs, you know what she said.
[26:46] Speaker 1: If you've seen anything other than half a second of
[26:50] Speaker 1: Paul Enhanson on television for past thirty years, you know
[26:52] Speaker 1: what she means. But of course the Labor Party was
[26:55] Speaker 1: just out and about lying to people who may not
[26:58] Speaker 1: be paying attention, and.
[27:00] Speaker 10: Soon spoke a lot about what she wants to take
[27:02] Speaker 10: away from people. She wants to take away the ability
[27:06] Speaker 10: of the tetors and the nunners and the Ias to
[27:08] Speaker 10: speak their language to their grandchildren.
[27:12] Speaker 1: Rubbish, not true, not even inferred, not even suggested, whether
[27:18] Speaker 1: you pay attention or not. James Ashby's going to be
[27:20] Speaker 1: on the show a little bit later talking about some
[27:22] Speaker 1: of the behind the scenes of what happened when it
[27:24] Speaker 1: came to that Channel seven interview. Also, as they're posted
[27:27] Speaker 1: on their Facebook page, what was the original pitch? How
[27:30] Speaker 1: did they pitch what they wanted to do with Pauline
[27:33] Speaker 1: Hanson from Channel seven Unsurprisingly a little different than what
[27:36] Speaker 1: ended up being the program. We'll discuss that and a
[27:40] Speaker 1: whole lot more here tonight. We've got lots to get into.
[27:41] Speaker 1: If you want to see me and email Paultz Gonews
[27:43] Speaker 1: dot com dot au. Andy Burnham is now the Prime
[27:45] Speaker 1: Minister of the United Kingdom. He is meeting with King
[27:47] Speaker 1: Charles as we speak in Buckingham Palace. When he leaves,
[27:50] Speaker 1: he makes his way to Number ten and we will
[27:52] Speaker 1: take that live in this hour as it is now
[27:54] Speaker 1: twenty seven minutes past nine on the East coast of
[27:56] Speaker 1: Australia twenty seven minutes past midday in the old dark.
[28:05] Speaker 1: Thank you very much for watching. In the mancave right
[28:07] Speaker 1: now is the wonderful Darren Barnett brother from another mother,
[28:09] Speaker 1: and none other than Low O'Brien's reing us right now
[28:11] Speaker 1: from Gimpe and beautiful Queens and kiss the ground for us, mate.
[28:14] Speaker 1: I love that background. That's the best of all of
[28:15] Speaker 1: our guests. It's no question, all right. So we're going
[28:18] Speaker 1: to get to with James Ashby the behind the scenes
[28:22] Speaker 1: of what was taking place when it comes to this
[28:24] Speaker 1: seven spotlight situation. I'll get to this in a second's time,
[28:28] Speaker 1: but Darren, people need to understand a little more detail
[28:33] Speaker 1: than just the headline and the outrage. This show is
[28:35] Speaker 1: about the grains of sand on the beach sometimes, so
[28:37] Speaker 1: I'm going to go through that right now. Here's the deal.
[28:41] Speaker 1: The reality of Australia as a voting mass is you
[28:46] Speaker 1: can't get seventy six seats in the Parliament by exclusively
[28:50] Speaker 1: trying to talk about a white version of Australia. Right now,
[28:55] Speaker 1: she's not talking about that, but that is what is
[28:58] Speaker 1: often put upon her. However, you can get fifteen percent
[29:03] Speaker 1: of the vote, twenty percent of the vote that will
[29:06] Speaker 1: get you the Senate seats, which are the huge uptick
[29:10] Speaker 1: for one nation at a federal election. Now, obviously the
[29:13] Speaker 1: standard that is going to be set is the expectation
[29:16] Speaker 1: game of well, you were the preferred prime minister for
[29:17] Speaker 1: one pole, so therefore if you don't end up being
[29:19] Speaker 1: the prime minister, it's a giant fail. So the reality here,
[29:22] Speaker 1: and this is the caution for the Liberal National Party, right,
[29:27] Speaker 1: which is if you're playing the game for seventy six seats,
[29:29] Speaker 1: there's a different way to engage with all of this
[29:31] Speaker 1: than if you are trying to go for a whole
[29:34] Speaker 1: bunch of low house seats. But you can get statewide
[29:36] Speaker 1: vote that means you get Senate seats. Right, So I
[29:40] Speaker 1: caution people who think there's a click and drag way
[29:42] Speaker 1: of dealing with all of this that again, look at
[29:45] Speaker 1: a place like Benelong, hardcore former World War II people
[29:48] Speaker 1: that was Howard's joint for how long, that's now hardcore
[29:51] Speaker 1: labor with seventy five percent of the seat having a
[29:55] Speaker 1: parent born somewhere else.
[29:56] Speaker 11: There's a couple of really interesting things. The most recently
[30:00] Speaker 11: that we had and we have half the Senate goes
[30:02] Speaker 11: up each time as a general rule. The Coalition did
[30:06] Speaker 11: very well in twenty nineteen. Its vote was taken by
[30:11] Speaker 11: one Nation on the Eastern Seaboard Senate and that's why
[30:15] Speaker 11: one nation's numbers have increased. If they replicate that again
[30:20] Speaker 11: in a couple of years' time, they'll be getting up
[30:23] Speaker 11: into that Greens esque sort of ten to twelve Senate seat.
[30:27] Speaker 11: But it cannibalizes the Coalition rather than the government. The
[30:32] Speaker 11: problem that the Coalition has Whodier back in and that's
[30:37] Speaker 11: when you talk about seats like Benelong, read Banks and
[30:41] Speaker 11: chishm that if the Coalition is too strident in backing
[30:45] Speaker 11: that kind of policy, then Labor sandbags those seats. So
[30:53] Speaker 11: Paullen has it going after that twenty percent of the vote. Absolutely,
[30:56] Speaker 11: will she get a dominant position in the Senate almost
[31:00] Speaker 11: certainly yes. But I don't think it helps the Coalition.
[31:04] Speaker 11: It helps Labor. And when Pauline's stated aim is for
[31:08] Speaker 11: Conservative governments to run Australia, that's where that balancing act
[31:13] Speaker 11: comes in and it becomes more complicated.
[31:15] Speaker 1: But also Lou, I mean again, right, are there certain
[31:18] Speaker 1: people who want to have a conversation in and around
[31:21] Speaker 1: race And again I'm not saying this about Paulin Hnson,
[31:22] Speaker 1: I'm just saying that about the wider world that we
[31:25] Speaker 1: all live in. The algorithms that screen at us, the emails,
[31:27] Speaker 1: the people, the are the loudest voices in the room.
[31:29] Speaker 1: But the reality is the Team Australia argument is the
[31:32] Speaker 1: one that is the one that you could build seventy
[31:34] Speaker 1: six seats around where black white or brindle, we're pro
[31:37] Speaker 1: small business, black white or brindle. If you're a rauter,
[31:40] Speaker 1: then we're against you. That's the way of harnessing, not
[31:46] Speaker 1: tricking people, but that's the way of harnessing. Because I
[31:49] Speaker 1: thought a lot about a conversation we had on the
[31:51] Speaker 1: show last night with Kristin Abram, who was a former
[31:53] Speaker 1: Libertarian staffer. She's run for parliament a couple of times,
[31:56] Speaker 1: she's running again. She's a person who would say everything
[31:59] Speaker 1: that every guest on Sky News would normally say, and
[32:01] Speaker 1: a whole lot more. But she pulled up and said, well,
[32:03] Speaker 1: hang on, what does all this mean about my parents?
[32:05] Speaker 1: What is it? And I thought that was a wonderful
[32:07] Speaker 1: reset for people about there are important cultural conversations that
[32:12] Speaker 1: do not need to fall down to race and the
[32:15] Speaker 1: trick of the left is to try to say that
[32:17] Speaker 1: any cultural conversation is about race. Am I on to
[32:21] Speaker 1: a winning here? Or am I just blowing smoke into
[32:24] Speaker 1: the wind?
[32:26] Speaker 2: Look, I think you're on to a winner.
[32:30] Speaker 7: Pauline certainly harnessed a sentiment that's.
[32:34] Speaker 2: Not in a narrow group of Australians.
[32:38] Speaker 7: This is a pretty broad concern that's running through our
[32:42] Speaker 7: population and the Coalition we need to we need to
[32:47] Speaker 7: be a little bit more effective in this area ourselves.
[32:52] Speaker 2: You know this country.
[32:54] Speaker 7: I can't in my lifetime remember where there's been less
[32:57] Speaker 7: social cohesion. And I think the Coalition needs to address
[33:03] Speaker 7: the problems that we're facing, the concerns that we're facing
[33:08] Speaker 7: around immigration and around our multicultural structure of our society
[33:14] Speaker 7: and speak to that clearly to Australians, but also encourage
[33:18] Speaker 7: social cohesion because at the end of the day, every
[33:20] Speaker 7: Australian should want social cohesion and this government's not delivering it.
[33:26] Speaker 7: I mean, have you ever felt a more divided Australia? Now?
[33:31] Speaker 7: How the recipe that we come up with that most
[33:35] Speaker 7: people will like the look of. I think is us
[33:40] Speaker 7: getting back to our basics, getting immigration under control, those
[33:44] Speaker 7: policies around tying immigration to our housing supply, all of
[33:48] Speaker 7: those things we need to be talking about those, not
[33:50] Speaker 7: worrying so much about Pauline Hansen and what she's doing.
[33:54] Speaker 7: And I think the Australian people will come with us.
[33:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, also because I mean, something that really frustrates me
[34:00] Speaker 1: is this sort of passive aggressive way that the left
[34:03] Speaker 1: And obviously it's a captain the Prime Minister likes to
[34:06] Speaker 1: play this one right, which is that any he's the
[34:08] Speaker 1: reasonable one, everyone else is unreasonable. Right now, this works
[34:11] Speaker 1: and obviously to a point he's going to say, well,
[34:13] Speaker 1: look at the scoreboard. You know my way is the
[34:15] Speaker 1: only way to win, right. And the way he does
[34:17] Speaker 1: this is by saying things like this as opposed to
[34:20] Speaker 1: actually dealing with the deeper things that yes, occasionally can
[34:24] Speaker 1: become a little bit too hot for some, but that's
[34:27] Speaker 1: not a reason why you don't have the conversations. Instead,
[34:30] Speaker 1: he sort of plays this card all the time. I
[34:33] Speaker 1: find it astonishing that paul En Hanson has traveled overseas
[34:37] Speaker 1: in order to denegrate and talk down Australia. Now this
[34:41] Speaker 1: pisses me off, Darren, because it's not.
[34:43] Speaker 11: Watching Well what else can he say?
[34:45] Speaker 2: No? No, correct?
[34:46] Speaker 1: But I'm saying, but again as a serious show that
[34:48] Speaker 1: talks about how the sausage is made, there is a
[34:51] Speaker 1: very deliberate series of values behind what he just said,
[34:55] Speaker 1: which is about constantly being the most reasonable person in
[34:58] Speaker 1: a room of crazy. And that's what annoys me because
[35:03] Speaker 1: there are conversations about Team Australia that he is on,
[35:08] Speaker 1: in my view, the wrong side of right, but by
[35:11] Speaker 1: sort of dismissing any and everyone who's outside of his
[35:14] Speaker 1: version of it, as you know, kind of the nutters.
[35:17] Speaker 1: That always doesn't But.
[35:18] Speaker 11: Isn't that the point that everyone tries to present themselves
[35:21] Speaker 11: as the most reasonable option, and we'll call it the zeitgeist.
[35:26] Speaker 11: The voters then determine who's the most reasonable. Yeah, but
[35:30] Speaker 11: that's what they every time. But that's what they all think,
[35:33] Speaker 11: and Elbow is not the first person to strenuously back
[35:37] Speaker 11: in his own judgment. That's part of politics and that's
[35:41] Speaker 11: what he is required to be a political leader. You
[35:43] Speaker 11: can't be offensive, So I'm not surprised that he's made
[35:47] Speaker 11: that observation. But in the end, voters decide where the
[35:51] Speaker 11: political center actually is.
[35:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, lou again, right in your community, let alone,
[35:56] Speaker 1: when you actually end up going to camber right now,
[35:58] Speaker 1: obviously everyone can just see right Heredy Burnham getting inside
[36:01] Speaker 1: the car. He will make his way towards ten Downing Street.
[36:04] Speaker 1: Obviously there'll be no audio, so you'll see that process
[36:07] Speaker 1: as he makes his way relatively short distance from the
[36:10] Speaker 1: Palace to number ten. So when there is something to
[36:14] Speaker 1: show you, we will. So I think we've probably got
[36:16] Speaker 1: about five minutes here to continue on in the conversation.
[36:19] Speaker 1: But Andy Burnham is now the new Prime Minister of
[36:21] Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. On his way to number ten, he
[36:23] Speaker 1: will of course be dropped off at the start of
[36:25] Speaker 1: number ten, walk his way up, greeted by staff as
[36:28] Speaker 1: you'll see all of that before the show is done
[36:30] Speaker 1: in the next twenty minutes or so. But again, Lou,
[36:33] Speaker 1: part of the frustration with this prime minister is again
[36:36] Speaker 1: this idea that well, you know, I break a promise,
[36:39] Speaker 1: but it really is just change your position. We passed
[36:41] Speaker 1: the law, everyone should forget about it. If you're still
[36:43] Speaker 1: annoyed that they didn't tell the truth, well then you're
[36:46] Speaker 1: the one with the problem like this sort of this
[36:48] Speaker 1: endless gas lighting approach, And to me it's part of
[36:51] Speaker 1: the frustration with the bloke and That's why I think
[36:54] Speaker 1: part of the way he played it was probably the
[36:55] Speaker 1: wrong way.
[36:58] Speaker 2: Percent. Look, Australians are over this fella.
[37:02] Speaker 7: The Team Australia routine that he's playing is the oldest
[37:05] Speaker 7: trick in the book. You know, when he was in opposition,
[37:09] Speaker 7: he was calling Australia the lag art of the international
[37:12] Speaker 7: community on climate change and forest foreign policy, he made
[37:15] Speaker 7: an art of talking Australia down.
[37:18] Speaker 2: People can see through this fella. He is the most.
[37:23] Speaker 7: Dishonest prime minister we have had in this country, I
[37:27] Speaker 7: believe ever. You know, he's made so many promises that
[37:31] Speaker 7: he's broken. And when I was a policeman, I've interviewed
[37:36] Speaker 7: crackheads with more integrity than this fella. He seriously cannot
[37:41] Speaker 7: tell the truth. And it's like, you know, it could
[37:45] Speaker 7: be daylight outside and he'll say it's nighttime. But Australians
[37:49] Speaker 7: have seen through him and they've had enough. But this
[37:52] Speaker 7: Team Australia is the oldest trick in the book. Pauline's
[37:55] Speaker 7: over there talking about immigration policy. For him, it was
[37:58] Speaker 7: climate policy when he was in opposition.
[38:01] Speaker 2: But Australia has had enough of this clown.
[38:03] Speaker 1: Thank you lou, Because I laughed I'll be in a
[38:04] Speaker 1: meeting tomorrow, but I don't care. It was a funny
[38:06] Speaker 1: It was a good line for very good line. All right,
[38:08] Speaker 1: As we can see things are playing out in the UK,
[38:09] Speaker 1: so I'm going to be very brief of our time here.
[38:11] Speaker 1: We may have to float the plan break here before
[38:14] Speaker 1: the conversation we might be having with we hoped to
[38:16] Speaker 1: have with James Ashby before it's done, or trying to
[38:19] Speaker 1: get a lot done between now and then one last
[38:21] Speaker 1: one here before we are done, Which is did either
[38:23] Speaker 1: of you see the Odyssey this weekend? But why I
[38:26] Speaker 1: couldn't get a seat?
[38:27] Speaker 11: My son wanted to go, And not only was Imax
[38:30] Speaker 11: booked out for the entire so this week as well,
[38:33] Speaker 11: but so was the Hoints. So was event Yeah, the
[38:38] Speaker 11: only seat you could get were in the front two rows.
[38:40] Speaker 11: I love it, which you don't want for a blockbuster.
[38:42] Speaker 11: Couldn't do it.
[38:43] Speaker 1: But it's mega. It's huge. The numbers around this thing,
[38:46] Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's already been one of the biggest debuts
[38:49] Speaker 1: in the Australian cinema thirty million bucks I think globally
[38:52] Speaker 1: it's about a quarter of a billion dollars already, all
[38:55] Speaker 1: right because of the timing. I'll take the jump. Now,
[38:56] Speaker 1: let's take care of our sponsors and then we'll take
[38:58] Speaker 1: care of the news as it happens. Thank you, Thank you, Darren,
[39:02] Speaker 1: James Ashby and live to London. Next, let's go live.
[39:11] Speaker 1: This is ten Downing Street where Andy Burnham has arrived
[39:14] Speaker 1: as the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He
[39:16] Speaker 1: is being applauded by staff, supporters and MPs. We will
[39:20] Speaker 1: see his arrival at Number ten, which is expected to
[39:23] Speaker 1: include some remarks. We are live here on Sky News
[39:27] Speaker 1: in Australia about the events that are taking place in
[39:29] Speaker 1: the UK. Yes, it's an awful lot of clapping, but
[39:33] Speaker 1: that is part of the reset that happens with a
[39:35] Speaker 1: new prime minister, even one that is of the same
[39:37] Speaker 1: party that has been installed not at a general election,
[39:41] Speaker 1: but essentially at the internal movements of the Labor Party.
[39:44] Speaker 1: I'll let you hear the live and raw footage the
[39:47] Speaker 1: photos of the moment in history here too. As you
[40:33] Speaker 1: can see the modern touches. There is a note as
[40:35] Speaker 1: being exchanged from one of the kids to the year
[40:40] Speaker 1: prime minister. The emotion of the moment, the expectation of
[40:43] Speaker 1: the moment, not just a political pressure, but now a
[40:45] Speaker 1: moment in history, his wife joining him. Of course, as
[40:50] Speaker 1: I told you before, he's got three kids, they're all
[40:53] Speaker 1: in their twenties. I've had the privilege of standing in
[40:57] Speaker 1: Downing Street. It's a relatively small area, so he will
[41:01] Speaker 1: get to that lec turn relatively quickly and then of
[41:04] Speaker 1: course make his way inside those doors again. If nothing else,
[41:12] Speaker 1: whether you like or dislike the politicians, the orderly transition,
[41:16] Speaker 1: the nature of that pretty phenomenal. Now some people, when
[41:18] Speaker 1: they've done this, they've gone in for this moment, the celebration,
[41:22] Speaker 1: the photos, literally, the hugging and kissing of babies that
[41:26] Speaker 1: takes place. You will have noticed too, the modern social
[41:29] Speaker 1: media age where there's an awful lot of cameras that
[41:32] Speaker 1: aren't just those of the television networks, but those of
[41:34] Speaker 1: his staff and those of his supporters. The crowning achievement
[41:38] Speaker 1: of his professional life happening as we're speak, and see
[41:40] Speaker 1: the videographer there on the right of screen. Because inevitably
[41:44] Speaker 1: there's not just the stuff that plays out in the news,
[41:46] Speaker 1: but the version of the news that they will present
[41:49] Speaker 1: via social media. Part of the problem with the former
[41:53] Speaker 1: Prime minister was that his game was not as strong
[41:56] Speaker 1: as Nigel Farages has been. So again, this is all
[41:59] Speaker 1: part of that reset that is happening with the Labor
[42:01] Speaker 1: Party as we speak. The reason I'm sticking with this
[42:04] Speaker 1: is because again the expectation of how relatively short this
[42:09] Speaker 1: moment is your milk it for as long as possible.
[42:11] Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you, because it's your moment in history. Now
[42:15] Speaker 1: for some you'll go straight in after having these photos
[42:18] Speaker 1: and they'll come back and give some remarks. But as
[42:20] Speaker 1: you can see, there is a microphone set up there
[42:23] Speaker 1: towards the left of your screen, but not a podium,
[42:25] Speaker 1: and whether that is trying to avoid the repetition of
[42:28] Speaker 1: what's been said in the past, But we are about
[42:30] Speaker 1: to hear and see from him now.
[42:39] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[42:50] Speaker 12: I have just come from Bookingham Palace, where I have
[42:55] Speaker 12: accepted His Majesty the King's invitation to form I've got
[43:12] Speaker 12: in doing so, I am acutely conscious that I am
[43:18] Speaker 12: the sixth person in the last ten years to walk
[43:22] Speaker 12: up this street, the seventh Prime minister since twenty sixteen,
[43:28] Speaker 12: making this a moment for reflection and new resolution. It
[43:36] Speaker 12: requires my generation of politicians to raise our game and
[43:44] Speaker 12: rise to the new challenge. Britain needs to show the
[43:50] Speaker 12: world that we can regain our stability once again, and
[43:56] Speaker 12: that is our challenge. To make politics work, to make
[44:01] Speaker 12: it work better. I know people at home are fed
[44:06] Speaker 12: up with politics. I hear you, and I want to
[44:09] Speaker 12: be honest with you. We have not been good enough
[44:13] Speaker 12: and we need to be better.
[44:17] Speaker 1: We will be.
[44:20] Speaker 12: We will make this moment a circuit breaker for Britain,
[44:26] Speaker 12: bringing forward the biggest changes in the last forty years,
[44:31] Speaker 12: a new political model and a new economic model. In
[44:37] Speaker 12: the nineteen eighties, Britain took some wrong turns. Political power
[44:43] Speaker 12: was centralized, economic power privatized. Large parts of the country
[44:50] Speaker 12: de industrialized, and they still haven't recovered. Many feelers are
[44:56] Speaker 12: They're still in decline and they don't have the ability
[45:00] Speaker 12: to turn things around. And that's why we will change
[45:04] Speaker 12: politics to make it more collaborative, more about problem solving
[45:10] Speaker 12: than point scoring. And we will take power out of
[45:13] Speaker 12: here and carry it into every postcode in the land
[45:18] Speaker 12: so that they can do more, and in doing more,
[45:22] Speaker 12: build a new economy where we put life's essentials back
[45:27] Speaker 12: under stronger public control to make them affordable to you again,
[45:34] Speaker 12: reindustrializing Britain using public procurement to back British industry. Later
[45:42] Speaker 12: this year, I will bring forward a new plan for Britain,
[45:49] Speaker 12: a ten year plan laying out a path from where
[45:53] Speaker 12: we are now to where I believe we all want
[45:57] Speaker 12: Britain to be. Wherever we're coming from, what party we support.
[46:03] Speaker 12: But I can do something to give people some breathing
[46:07] Speaker 12: space now, some help with the cost of living, and
[46:12] Speaker 12: I will set out some of those measures starting tomorrow,
[46:16] Speaker 12: including how we pay for them. We will help more
[46:23] Speaker 12: young people into work by changing the education system and
[46:28] Speaker 12: giving them more support, more mental health support, and we
[46:32] Speaker 12: will build more council homes. That is the fair and
[46:38] Speaker 12: sustainable way to bring the welfare bill down to meet
[46:44] Speaker 12: our fiscal rules and to honor our commitments on defense
[46:50] Speaker 12: to our international partners. We will help people to live well,
[46:59] Speaker 12: building a more preventative state, investing in people's success rather
[47:05] Speaker 12: than paying for failure.
[47:06] Speaker 4: And that work starts now.
[47:08] Speaker 12: I will soon go through that door behind me and
[47:11] Speaker 12: issue my first instruction to end rough sleeping in our country.
[47:36] Speaker 12: It's about putting the right values and the right standards
[47:41] Speaker 12: at the heart of government. I will put the care
[47:46] Speaker 12: of people at.
[47:47] Speaker 4: The heart of everything I do.
[47:51] Speaker 12: I will give this my all and I ask you
[47:54] Speaker 12: all to pull with me. Let's build a new national
[48:00] Speaker 12: sense of unity, of common purpose and positivity. Let us
[48:07] Speaker 12: make this the moment when Britain starts to believe again,
[48:12] Speaker 12: the moment we bring back hope.
[48:15] Speaker 4: Thank you very much everybody.
[48:24] Speaker 1: That Britain begins to believe again. Andy Burnham, speaking upon
[48:28] Speaker 1: becoming the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Now about
[48:31] Speaker 1: some of the style that's happening here. In the style
[48:33] Speaker 1: matters because it's the subtle messages that are being sent here.
[48:38] Speaker 1: By not delivering those remarks in front of a lectern
[48:41] Speaker 1: like all of the previous prime ministers, by highlighting the
[48:45] Speaker 1: number of prime ministerial changes, by talking about a ten
[48:48] Speaker 1: year plan. This is all again very very clear political
[48:52] Speaker 1: messaging about trying to say that I'm stability, I'm the future.
[48:57] Speaker 1: I'm not going to look like everyone else. I'm not
[48:58] Speaker 1: going to fall into the same traps as everyone else. Interestingly,
[49:02] Speaker 1: he said that his first order of business. And again
[49:05] Speaker 1: it's not like the President of the United States. They
[49:07] Speaker 1: don't have individual power. It's a prime minister. Obviously there's
[49:10] Speaker 1: so much you can do by regulation. But again the
[49:12] Speaker 1: end of rough sleeping, otherwise the end of homelessness. We'll
[49:15] Speaker 1: all learn about that in the next couple of days.
[49:18] Speaker 1: We'll put that into the corner of your screen right now,
[49:21] Speaker 1: but of course there'll be no further comments. But I've
[49:23] Speaker 1: got only a limited a couple of minutes left, and
[49:24] Speaker 1: I want to make the most of our chance to
[49:26] Speaker 1: talk to James Ashby of course, to chief of staff
[49:28] Speaker 1: to One Nation after that experience that we talked about
[49:32] Speaker 1: a bit earlier about the Spotlight program on Channel seven.
[49:35] Speaker 1: Thank you for being so patient, mate. Let's make the
[49:36] Speaker 1: most of the time that we do have together. So
[49:39] Speaker 1: you posted on the Facebook page of Pauline Hanson's please
[49:43] Speaker 1: explain today what the pitch to Channel seven was. And
[49:46] Speaker 1: it's a little different than what we actually got, right.
[49:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, correct.
[49:51] Speaker 13: Channel seven made that pitch back in November last year
[49:54] Speaker 13: and made it very clear they wanted a program on immigration,
[49:57] Speaker 13: pure and simple. There was nothing of what we saw
[50:01] Speaker 13: last night in that pitch, and so yeah, it was
[50:05] Speaker 13: somewhat of a stitch up, but I think it was
[50:07] Speaker 13: a bit of an own goal for Spotlight. I don't
[50:09] Speaker 13: think it did the damage that they hoped it would do.
[50:13] Speaker 1: Now, of all of the reaction that I've heard from
[50:15] Speaker 1: people over the past twenty four hours. There's one question
[50:18] Speaker 1: in particular that I want to show and get your
[50:20] Speaker 1: response to it, because I'd love to know what Pauline
[50:22] Speaker 1: was saying after this interview took place, and it was
[50:26] Speaker 1: this question that was asked of Barnaby Joyce. But it's
[50:29] Speaker 1: one that I can't imagine being asked of any other
[50:31] Speaker 1: political leader, that, of course, being a basic competency. Here first,
[50:36] Speaker 1: let's show everyone.
[50:38] Speaker 8: Arnaby does she have the intellectual capacity to handle that
[50:41] Speaker 8: top job?
[50:42] Speaker 1: Yes, what was the reaction that you had to that question?
[50:48] Speaker 1: Barnaby played the straight back, of course that he should.
[50:50] Speaker 1: But what do you think?
[50:52] Speaker 13: Well, again, this came down to a stitch up. This
[50:55] Speaker 13: had nothing to do with immigration. It had everything to
[50:58] Speaker 13: do with trying to call in the question Pauline's capability
[51:01] Speaker 13: of not only running a political party, but running a country.
[51:05] Speaker 13: And I think when you compare both Pauline Hanson and
[51:07] Speaker 13: Anthony Oberenezi, I would take Pauline Hansen any day of
[51:12] Speaker 13: the week, with her intellectual capacity, her ability to run
[51:15] Speaker 13: businesses successfully, and she's done things tough in her time,
[51:19] Speaker 13: but she's proven that resilience is key and I do
[51:23] Speaker 13: believe she's got the best interest of this country at heart.
[51:26] Speaker 4: That's what makes a good leader for Australia.
[51:28] Speaker 1: How did the Tommy Robinson thing happen? Who invited her?
[51:31] Speaker 1: Who knew what and who set up what?
[51:35] Speaker 13: There was no indication that we'd be doing an interview
[51:38] Speaker 13: with Tommy Robinson. I could send you the itinery for
[51:41] Speaker 13: the trip. It didn't include Tommy. When Nigel Farage stepped down,
[51:45] Speaker 13: there was a moment there where the producer Luke Mortimer
[51:50] Speaker 13: was quite concerned that the whole trip was wasted because
[51:53] Speaker 13: Nigel obviously stepped back into campaign mode and canceled his meeting,
[51:59] Speaker 13: and so there was this opportunity to fill void and
[52:02] Speaker 13: that's where obviously Rupert Low came in. And then the
[52:05] Speaker 13: suggestion came from Channel seven, who I had given the
[52:09] Speaker 13: contact of Tommy Robinson too.
[52:11] Speaker 4: They lined it all up.
[52:12] Speaker 13: They paid for the studio or the room that we rented.
[52:16] Speaker 13: There was seven hundred pound to get that for a
[52:18] Speaker 13: couple of hours.
[52:19] Speaker 4: They paid for the security, and you.
[52:22] Speaker 13: Know, Pauline felt very uncomfortable about going into Luton and
[52:26] Speaker 13: I must just say I was in the backseat of
[52:28] Speaker 13: the car with Liam Bartlett, and you know, even he
[52:33] Speaker 13: acknowledged that Luton, in his words, the only thing missing
[52:36] Speaker 13: from it was Camels.
[52:38] Speaker 4: Now you can take that as you please, but even.
[52:40] Speaker 13: He recognized the vast change that has happened to many
[52:45] Speaker 13: of these cities across London because of uncontrolled immigration and
[52:49] Speaker 13: the wrong type of immigration that's come into that country.
[52:52] Speaker 4: It's no longer Great Britain, it's just Britain.
[52:54] Speaker 1: So when we talk about immigration, when we talk about monoculture,
[52:58] Speaker 1: when there's the conversation and the very attempts to spin
[53:02] Speaker 1: what you are talking about, do you feel that that
[53:05] Speaker 1: the party gets on to sticky paper or is it
[53:09] Speaker 1: solid ground Because the Poles constantly have told us what
[53:12] Speaker 1: Australians think about all of these issues and how deeply
[53:15] Speaker 1: they value their own culture.
[53:18] Speaker 13: I think, to be clear, Paul, monoculture means being on
[53:22] Speaker 13: team Australia.
[53:23] Speaker 4: You've used the phrase before, we use it regularly.
[53:26] Speaker 13: Perhaps monoculture is a little difficult to understand, but I
[53:29] Speaker 13: don't want cultures where teen marriages are occurring, or first
[53:34] Speaker 13: cousins are marrying each other, or Sharia law takes precedence
[53:37] Speaker 13: over that of one common law for Australians. I don't
[53:41] Speaker 13: want to see that disharmony in our country and that's
[53:43] Speaker 13: where I think Paul and Hanson and One Nation have
[53:46] Speaker 13: it very clear. We do want one culture in this
[53:49] Speaker 13: country and that's Team Australia. And I think the more
[53:52] Speaker 13: that people understand that, the more they'll realize that multiculturalism
[53:56] Speaker 13: hasn't worked.
[53:57] Speaker 4: We don't want to go down a.
[53:58] Speaker 13: Path like we've seen in the UK to keep Australia
[54:01] Speaker 13: what it is, and that doesn't mean excluding people from
[54:04] Speaker 13: coming to the country. We just need them to understand
[54:07] Speaker 13: when they do come here, they've got to be on
[54:09] Speaker 13: Team Australia.
[54:10] Speaker 1: Good Man, thank you so much for your time. Enjoy
[54:12] Speaker 1: the West. It's a beautiful part of Australia. Thank you
[54:14] Speaker 1: very much for joining us. James Ashby there making news
[54:17] Speaker 1: all the way through what has been a very big hour.
[54:19] Speaker 1: We'll see you again tomorrow night. Here's the late debate

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