# Paul Murray Live | 15 April

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 15 Apr 2026, 49 min.

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The trucking industry on its knees as the fuel crisis bites, bad news for Chris Bowen as his own department has issued a warning about solar panel waste! Plus, the only biographer to have interviewed the entire Royal Family. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show.
[0:08] Speaker 3: I'm Danniciti Giorgio filling in again for Paul Murray in
[0:11] Speaker 3: the man Cave. Coming up on tonight's program, The trucking
[0:14] Speaker 3: industry on its knees as the fuel crisis bites. Yet
[0:18] Speaker 3: not one cent of Labour's promised billion dollar rescue package
[0:21] Speaker 3: for small businesses has been seen.
[0:24] Speaker 2: Bad news for Chris Bowen.
[0:26] Speaker 3: His own department has issued a warning about solar panel waste.
[0:31] Speaker 2: And we've spoken a lot about the.
[0:33] Speaker 3: Non Royals tour of Australia, but tonight we will hear
[0:36] Speaker 3: about the real ones. I'll catch up with the only
[0:40] Speaker 3: biographer to have interviewed the entire Royal family about his
[0:44] Speaker 3: new book on Queen Elizabeth the Second. But before we
[0:48] Speaker 3: get into it tonight, the fuel crisis is impacting all
[0:51] Speaker 3: of us right now, but none more so than our
[0:54] Speaker 3: most vulnerable. The sick kids of this country desperately need
[0:59] Speaker 3: our help now. Little Wings is a charity that flies
[1:03] Speaker 3: children with life threatening illnesses from the bush to major
[1:06] Speaker 3: cities for treatment, but because of crippling fuel prices, it
[1:10] Speaker 3: could be forced to ground its entire fleet by May
[1:15] Speaker 3: unless emergency funding is secured. Here was their CEO on
[1:19] Speaker 3: Sky News this morning.
[1:21] Speaker 4: Honestly, it is heartbreaking working in here at the moment.
[1:24] Speaker 4: We're reduced by forty percent at this point in time.
[1:28] Speaker 4: Every day we have to look at those missions whose
[1:30] Speaker 4: child needs to be brought in for care. What's their treatment?
[1:34] Speaker 4: Are they mean compromised working with the hospital to understand
[1:37] Speaker 4: really what's happening for those families because many of them
[1:40] Speaker 4: are farmers themselves, so they're affected on a professional level
[1:43] Speaker 4: with trying to fuel and put diesel into their machines
[1:46] Speaker 4: to run their farms, but now on a personal level
[1:48] Speaker 4: to support their children.
[1:50] Speaker 2: And it is heartbreaking.
[1:51] Speaker 3: I mean imagine having to turn away parents who need
[1:54] Speaker 3: urgent help for their sick kids, having to try and
[1:57] Speaker 3: prioritize which child is sicker than another, who need surgery
[2:02] Speaker 3: versus who has cancer.
[2:03] Speaker 2: It's just awful. Now.
[2:05] Speaker 3: The charity says thirty two families were turned away this
[2:08] Speaker 3: week alone. In addition, another twelve new families reached out
[2:12] Speaker 3: two Little Wings for support after their children were newly
[2:16] Speaker 3: diagnosed with a disease, but they too were turned away.
[2:19] Speaker 3: Now it typically costs Little Wings about fifteen hundred dollars
[2:22] Speaker 3: to fill a plane with fuel that's now increased to
[2:26] Speaker 3: two one hundred per tank, so that's an extra ten
[2:30] Speaker 3: grand a week, and they're in desperate need of donations
[2:34] Speaker 3: and support.
[2:36] Speaker 4: We're looking for people who can support us by making donations,
[2:39] Speaker 4: all of which would go directly into filling the plane,
[2:42] Speaker 4: and or government to come on board and support us,
[2:45] Speaker 4: to give us that confidence to continue to support families
[2:47] Speaker 4: without turning them away, which is our current situation now.
[2:51] Speaker 2: Look, we are at a cost of living crisis. Times
[2:53] Speaker 2: are tough.
[2:53] Speaker 3: But if there's anything you can do or you would
[2:55] Speaker 3: like to help out, visit www dot Littlewings dot org
[2:58] Speaker 3: dot au. And as we just heard there, hopefully some
[3:01] Speaker 3: government support can be secured asap because g our little
[3:06] Speaker 3: Aussies need.
[3:07] Speaker 2: Help right now.
[3:09] Speaker 3: All right, let's get into the news of the day.
[3:11] Speaker 3: Labour's begging for fuel tour has further expanded across the globe.
[3:16] Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers jet seted to Washington, DC this morning for
[3:20] Speaker 3: talks with counterparts from key countries that supply fuel to Australia.
[3:24] Speaker 3: So we've got Jim over in the US ol Bow
[3:27] Speaker 3: today was with the Sultan of Brunei, where the pair
[3:30] Speaker 3: signed an agreement to strength and energy supply chains and
[3:34] Speaker 3: maintain open trade between the two countries.
[3:37] Speaker 2: And in the last few hours.
[3:39] Speaker 3: He's landed tonight in Malaysia, there is hopping off the
[3:42] Speaker 3: plane getting.
[3:43] Speaker 2: The red carpet treatment. Ge, how's that? And look, I've
[3:49] Speaker 2: got to.
[3:49] Speaker 3: Say, you know, the irony of labor asking for fossil
[3:54] Speaker 3: fuels overseas, it's quite incredible, really begging for the very
[3:58] Speaker 3: thing that they hate the most fascinating.
[4:02] Speaker 2: Now I've got to ask the question, does this sound
[4:05] Speaker 2: like a leader that has it all under control.
[4:09] Speaker 5: What we can do, though, is to not retreat from action,
[4:14] Speaker 5: is step forward with further action. That's what we've done
[4:18] Speaker 5: with the changes that we made to supply by changing
[4:24] Speaker 5: the fuel requirements to allow more diesel and petrol indeed
[4:30] Speaker 5: to be able to be distributed that would normally only
[4:33] Speaker 5: be available for export.
[4:36] Speaker 3: Now, when I heard that today, my immediate thought was,
[4:39] Speaker 3: it's like a word salad on the world stage.
[4:42] Speaker 2: Did you hear him stepping forward, not retreating? And it
[4:48] Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of.
[4:49] Speaker 6: This global fuel shortage is affecting us all. To keep
[4:53] Speaker 6: us moving, the government has been working to secure Australia's
[4:56] Speaker 6: fuel supply and has a full level national fuel Security Plan.
[5:00] Speaker 6: We're now at level two and we all have a
[5:02] Speaker 6: part to play.
[5:04] Speaker 2: Well, it's Slogan's galore under Labor.
[5:07] Speaker 3: The problem is right now we can't keep Australia moving
[5:11] Speaker 3: and it's about to get a lot worse. A survey
[5:14] Speaker 3: from the National Road Transport Association has found seventy percent
[5:18] Speaker 3: of trucking companies believe they will need to close unless
[5:21] Speaker 3: the fuel crisis is resolved. Operators with twenty trucks or
[5:25] Speaker 3: fewer reported productions in work between ten and fifty percent,
[5:30] Speaker 3: and more than a quarter revealed they'd already stood down staff. Now,
[5:35] Speaker 3: our trucks rely on diesel to transport food across the
[5:38] Speaker 3: country and onto your plate. Retail items, well they've been
[5:43] Speaker 3: on a truck haven. They and on shelves at your
[5:45] Speaker 3: local stores. Beverages, pharmaceutical products, construction materials, agriculture.
[5:52] Speaker 2: You name it. The list goes on. So we're talking
[5:55] Speaker 2: here about the lifeblood of the economy. Now.
[5:58] Speaker 3: Labor promised last month a billion dollar rescue package to
[6:01] Speaker 3: save businesses. It's called this Economic Resilience Program through loans
[6:07] Speaker 3: to help struggling businesses through the fuel crisis, and the
[6:10] Speaker 3: transport industry was included in that list. Well that was
[6:14] Speaker 3: weeks ago, now, and where is the money? Here is
[6:18] Speaker 3: the CEO of the National Road Transportation Association.
[6:22] Speaker 7: You know, what's urgent of them is obviously very very
[6:25] Speaker 7: different to what's urgent to our truck goes.
[6:27] Speaker 8: So hang on, how's it going to work, apply for loan,
[6:30] Speaker 8: get money?
[6:31] Speaker 7: Yeah, well that'd be the case, except if you actually
[6:34] Speaker 7: try and do that, there's actually nowhere to apply, and
[6:36] Speaker 7: there's nowhere to actually go and apply. So it's still
[6:40] Speaker 7: at the planning stage. Taken far too long.
[6:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, So more red tape for industries on their knees now.
[6:48] Speaker 3: Yesterday the WA Premier Roger Cook announced he had spent
[6:51] Speaker 3: ten million dollars buying up four million.
[6:53] Speaker 2: Liters of diesel for his state.
[6:56] Speaker 3: New South Wales is also considering now its own stockpile.
[7:00] Speaker 3: So states are having to go alone here. Yet the
[7:03] Speaker 3: Minister for Energy, Chris.
[7:04] Speaker 2: Bowen, is still in delusion.
[7:07] Speaker 3: Mode about it. Here was his response when asked about
[7:11] Speaker 3: the trucking issue.
[7:12] Speaker 9: I mean that's not a supply issue, that's a price issue.
[7:15] Speaker 9: Diesel's very expensive and the cost of diesels going up
[7:18] Speaker 9: more than the cost of petrol around the world.
[7:22] Speaker 2: Earth to Chris, Earth to Chris, Where have you been?
[7:26] Speaker 3: There is a diesel supply issue which is a diabolical
[7:32] Speaker 3: for a nation that actually depends on the very source.
[7:35] Speaker 2: According to Leith.
[7:36] Speaker 3: Van Nonsulin, who's an excellent economist from Macro Business and
[7:39] Speaker 3: a regular here on Sky News, due to Australia's size,
[7:43] Speaker 3: isolation and industry composition, so this is heavy mining and agriculture,
[7:47] Speaker 3: we are literally one of the most diesel dependent economies
[7:51] Speaker 3: in the world.
[7:53] Speaker 2: And have a look at this chart from the CBA.
[7:55] Speaker 3: It shows that Australia consumed seven point seven barrels of
[7:58] Speaker 3: diesel per person in twenty twenty four, the highest out
[8:02] Speaker 3: of all of those nations surveyed, way ahead there of
[8:05] Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, Canada, the US and Germany.
[8:09] Speaker 2: So when our.
[8:09] Speaker 3: Supply goes bust, so does our economy. And you can
[8:14] Speaker 3: now understand why these states have had to take matters
[8:16] Speaker 3: into their own hands. But Bowen is persisting that no,
[8:20] Speaker 3: it's no, no, got nothing at all to do with supply.
[8:23] Speaker 9: Obviously, heavy vehicle vehicles are right up there, and then
[8:27] Speaker 9: that flows through to the supply chain across so many sectors.
[8:31] Speaker 9: That's a result of the diesel price around the world
[8:34] Speaker 9: being so high, not a result of particular supplies to Australia,
[8:38] Speaker 9: which we've been working hard to fix.
[8:41] Speaker 3: Now, if that was the case, why has Australia resorted
[8:44] Speaker 3: to importing diesel from all around the globe to meet
[8:48] Speaker 3: our urgent needs. We have shipments scheduled from the UK,
[8:53] Speaker 3: the US, Gulf Coast, Oman and West Africa. In fact,
[8:56] Speaker 3: look at this shipping data. It shows one tagging a
[9:00] Speaker 3: massive cargo of diesel all the way from Southwold in
[9:03] Speaker 3: the UK to Brisbane. And there's also a diesel shipment
[9:07] Speaker 3: coming from Omar next month, the first shipment from a
[9:10] Speaker 3: golf country to Australia since the Iran War broke out.
[9:15] Speaker 3: So again I've got to ask the question, does it
[9:18] Speaker 3: really fill you with much hope that this government has
[9:21] Speaker 3: got this crisis under control? Now back to Jim Charmers,
[9:29] Speaker 3: mister spin himself. So it's that time of the year
[9:33] Speaker 3: where Jim starts dropping hints here and there about the
[9:37] Speaker 3: upcoming budget, trying to pump us up with optimism about
[9:41] Speaker 3: the state of the economy and this country. So before
[9:44] Speaker 3: Jim flew out to the US, he took time to
[9:47] Speaker 3: do what he does best, and that is spin. Of course,
[9:51] Speaker 3: he is so desperate to try and steer the conversation
[9:55] Speaker 3: away from his toxic and out of control spending head
[10:00] Speaker 3: of the Budget because he's again been warned that his spending.
[10:05] Speaker 2: Is indeed out of control. Who would have thought.
[10:08] Speaker 3: The International Monetary Fund has cautioned Labor against untargeted cost
[10:13] Speaker 3: of living relief measures, warning a prolonged Middle East conflict
[10:16] Speaker 3: has the global economy teetering on plunging into its third
[10:20] Speaker 3: recession this century. But if you ask the Treasurer, it's
[10:25] Speaker 3: not his problem to fix it's yours.
[10:30] Speaker 10: It's really important that we help Australians understand that every
[10:34] Speaker 10: little bit helps, and we know from engaging around the
[10:38] Speaker 10: country with Australians in communities, in every corner of Australia
[10:44] Speaker 10: that there is a hunger to understand what they can
[10:47] Speaker 10: do to help. And that's a very Australian response to
[10:50] Speaker 10: a severe economic shock like this.
[10:53] Speaker 2: Every little bit helps. What did I say earlier about slogans? Seriously,
[10:58] Speaker 2: so Labour.
[10:59] Speaker 3: Wants you to do your bit to get it out
[11:02] Speaker 3: of this mess. Now we can absolutely see where this
[11:05] Speaker 3: is going, can't we? Ahead of the budget, GYM will
[11:07] Speaker 3: continue to say, oh, it's all America's fault, even though
[11:11] Speaker 3: interest rates started rising pre war, even though electricity prices
[11:16] Speaker 3: were at record levels pre war, even though the cost
[11:20] Speaker 3: of living crisis was with US pre war, even though
[11:24] Speaker 3: we knew the budget would show a trillion dollars.
[11:26] Speaker 2: In debt again pre war.
[11:28] Speaker 3: Even though there's a housing crisis, it's been there pre war.
[11:32] Speaker 2: Even though JIM spending remains at record levels as it
[11:35] Speaker 2: had again pre war.
[11:39] Speaker 3: In fact, spending is at twenty six point nine percent
[11:41] Speaker 3: of GDP. That's the highest level since nineteen eighty six
[11:45] Speaker 3: outside the COVID pandemic. This financial year, Labor expects to
[11:49] Speaker 3: spend seventy eight seven hundred and eighty six rather billion
[11:53] Speaker 3: dollars on goods and services. It's fifty eight billion more
[11:57] Speaker 3: than Charmers had forecast for the twenty five twenty six
[11:59] Speaker 3: angel year. It's one hundred billion dollars more than former
[12:04] Speaker 3: Treasurer Josh Friedenberg anticipated in his final budget from March
[12:08] Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. The IMF is so worried it's warned
[12:12] Speaker 3: governments including Australias they need to be careful on spending,
[12:17] Speaker 3: managing windfalls, outlining a clear path for rebalancing budget deficits,
[12:21] Speaker 3: and pushing ahead with structural reform. But good old mister
[12:26] Speaker 3: spin Jim, well he's spinning the decks.
[12:29] Speaker 10: This is a really dangerous time for the global economy.
[12:32] Speaker 10: Now Australia is better placed and better prepared than a
[12:35] Speaker 10: number of other countries, but we won't be spared the
[12:39] Speaker 10: fallout from this very substantial economic shock.
[12:44] Speaker 3: Well there it is the whole narrative to blame it
[12:47] Speaker 3: all on the war, but it's been shot to pieces.
[12:51] Speaker 3: Amp's chief economist Shane Oliver, said the government's policies prior
[12:54] Speaker 3: to the fuel crisis made Australia more vulnerable to the
[12:57] Speaker 3: impacts of it.
[12:58] Speaker 2: He says there was.
[12:59] Speaker 3: A lot of debate through January and February as to
[13:02] Speaker 3: why inflation was sticky in the three percent range. You
[13:06] Speaker 3: can argue the particular details and the CPI, but at
[13:09] Speaker 3: a high level, the basic problem was that government spending
[13:14] Speaker 3: was too high in Australia.
[13:17] Speaker 2: And what about the Treasurer's budget?
[13:21] Speaker 8: Does the war encourage you to go further with spending
[13:24] Speaker 8: cuts in the budget.
[13:26] Speaker 10: There will be savings in the budget to get the
[13:29] Speaker 10: budget into better position. Now, obviously the budget that we
[13:34] Speaker 10: contemplated in February won't be identical to the budget that
[13:38] Speaker 10: I hand down on the twelfth of May. But it
[13:41] Speaker 10: will still be ambitious, it will still be responsible, and
[13:44] Speaker 10: it will be focused on two things overall resilience and
[13:48] Speaker 10: also economic reform.
[13:50] Speaker 3: I mean, so now he's all about savings, you know.
[13:54] Speaker 3: In other words, he's shifted some money from one department
[13:57] Speaker 3: to another. He's saved a couple of gras and here,
[14:01] Speaker 3: but he's also spent a couple of grand over there.
[14:04] Speaker 3: Don't be fooled by Jim spin Now let's talk about
[14:12] Speaker 3: this now.
[14:14] Speaker 11: I can't tell you how unbelievably this is from Angus Taylor.
[14:18] Speaker 3: H Please your recall we spoke last night about the
[14:23] Speaker 3: lefts meltdown over the coalition's new immigration policy, the one
[14:27] Speaker 3: based on a value system, and that was labor MP
[14:29] Speaker 3: Jerome Lacksal. You know that it is not controversial nor
[14:34] Speaker 3: racist to have a discussion about migration, especially when poll
[14:39] Speaker 3: after pole suggests that the majority of US want migration lowered.
[14:43] Speaker 2: And to be honest, I am at a stage.
[14:44] Speaker 3: Now where I couldn't give a toss about some of
[14:46] Speaker 3: the criticism even leveled at me for talking.
[14:49] Speaker 2: About this, and I'm not going to stop.
[14:51] Speaker 3: I do not care because i love this country, as
[14:55] Speaker 3: does the opposition leader here he was today.
[14:58] Speaker 12: If someone doesn't believe in our parliamentary democracy, if they
[15:02] Speaker 12: don't believe in our rule of law, they want a
[15:05] Speaker 12: different system of law in this country. If they don't
[15:08] Speaker 12: believe our freedoms freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom
[15:12] Speaker 12: of speech, they are not welcome to come to this country.
[15:15] Speaker 12: So there's lots of examples there, and these are things
[15:18] Speaker 12: that are precious to this country.
[15:21] Speaker 2: Again, hard to argue with that.
[15:23] Speaker 3: So today it was Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke's turn
[15:25] Speaker 3: to give his reply to the migration announcement and there
[15:28] Speaker 3: were two parts that bothered me the most.
[15:31] Speaker 13: Firstly, this modern Australia and multicultural Australia are the same thing.
[15:39] Speaker 13: They're the same thing. And when people say they love Australia,
[15:42] Speaker 13: and I do, and almost everybody on this continent does,
[15:47] Speaker 13: modern Australia is what they're loving. And we are a
[15:52] Speaker 13: multi cultural nation.
[15:55] Speaker 3: Now, notwithstanding, this is a minister who's electorate is in
[15:58] Speaker 3: an area with a high Muslim population, But this suggests
[16:01] Speaker 3: his wilful blindness to the issues confronting this country now
[16:05] Speaker 3: right now, In my view, multiculturalism has failed. It wasn't
[16:10] Speaker 3: always this way, and I am very pro migration. I
[16:13] Speaker 3: am the granddaughter of migrants, and I'm very proud of that.
[16:16] Speaker 3: But in my view it has to be tightly controlled
[16:19] Speaker 3: with strict checks and balances and restrictions from terrorist hotspots.
[16:24] Speaker 3: Now I could list countless examples of where multiculturalism has failed.
[16:30] Speaker 3: You know, we've got the hate preachers, these weekly anti
[16:33] Speaker 3: Israel protests, rife anti Semitism, the globalize, the interfata, chance,
[16:39] Speaker 3: our national monuments hijacked, and of course acts of terror.
[16:44] Speaker 3: A harmonious society of cultures is a myth, and I'm
[16:48] Speaker 3: not talking about all cultures. I am talking about those
[16:51] Speaker 3: that do not fit in with a Western democracy, like
[16:54] Speaker 3: those from hardline Islamic countries. So for Tony Burke to
[17:00] Speaker 3: spin it around today shows how labor has absolutely no
[17:04] Speaker 3: interest in fixing its handmade migration crisis.
[17:09] Speaker 2: I mean, we can't be surprised.
[17:10] Speaker 3: Obviously, Burke handed three thousand gardens visas to with little
[17:14] Speaker 3: to no security checks. You recall he did that private
[17:17] Speaker 3: meet and greet at the airport with some of them
[17:20] Speaker 3: he led in the Isis Brides, with possibly more on
[17:22] Speaker 3: the way.
[17:24] Speaker 2: Now.
[17:24] Speaker 3: The other part of his press conference, which proves further
[17:27] Speaker 3: his wilful blindness, was when.
[17:29] Speaker 2: He tried to boast about what he.
[17:32] Speaker 3: Has done to kick people out of the country who
[17:34] Speaker 3: hate us.
[17:36] Speaker 13: Probably the most horrific of all the protests that we
[17:41] Speaker 13: have seen using anti Semitic placards was the blatant placards
[17:48] Speaker 13: that were used in front of the New South Wales
[17:50] Speaker 13: Parliament by a Nazi protest an organization that has subsequently
[17:56] Speaker 13: disbanded because of legislation that we introduced to the parliament.
[18:00] Speaker 3: So here he is back again with the Nazis. Now,
[18:02] Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, there is no place for that
[18:05] Speaker 3: in Australia.
[18:06] Speaker 2: But is that seriously the worst he has seen? The worst? Really? Well,
[18:13] Speaker 2: let me give you some other examples. Tony smiling and
[18:16] Speaker 2: I'm happy.
[18:21] Speaker 1: It's a day of.
[18:22] Speaker 3: Courage doesn't quite make your list tone, But what about
[18:27] Speaker 3: this one?
[18:32] Speaker 2: No, apparently not that either.
[18:36] Speaker 3: What about when flags of terror groups were waved in
[18:40] Speaker 3: the streets, when an image of the former Iranian Iotola
[18:43] Speaker 3: of Iran was carried across our National Monument. Any of
[18:47] Speaker 3: those ones ring a bell tone or because they involved
[18:51] Speaker 3: radical Islamus not neo Nazis, they are not included in
[18:54] Speaker 3: your list of the worst things that you have had
[18:57] Speaker 3: to deal with. Oh wait, you didn't even deal with
[19:01] Speaker 3: it in the first place.
[19:06] Speaker 2: Okay.
[19:07] Speaker 3: A quick change of pace Meghan and her spare handbag. Harry,
[19:12] Speaker 3: Now please look a promise I'll be brief on this,
[19:14] Speaker 3: I promise, so bear with me.
[19:16] Speaker 2: But you know I've got to go here tonight. Okay.
[19:19] Speaker 3: So the pair have spent day two in Melbourne of
[19:22] Speaker 3: their Grifters down Under adventure.
[19:25] Speaker 8: It's not Princes Park, but Witt and Oval was just
[19:29] Speaker 8: right for Harry's first lesson in Aussie rules. The Duke
[19:34] Speaker 8: of Susex kicking off day two of this non royal
[19:37] Speaker 8: tour as a surprise recruit at Western Bulldog's training.
[19:42] Speaker 2: Why did he go there? Seriously?
[19:44] Speaker 3: And then after that, Prince Harry took it upon himself
[19:47] Speaker 3: to give a woe is me speech? This guy is
[19:51] Speaker 3: obsessed with being a silk. He opened up about the
[19:54] Speaker 3: conversations that quote never existed with his parents during his
[19:59] Speaker 3: royal up ring during a Q and a fore November
[20:02] Speaker 3: at the Western Bulldogs headquarters.
[20:05] Speaker 2: Spare me please, Why is he always winging?
[20:10] Speaker 3: But here's the pearler. Guess what Meghan was doing. She
[20:14] Speaker 3: was out filming for an Assie TV show. We've had
[20:19] Speaker 3: Master Chef Royalty in the kitchen before, but no one
[20:23] Speaker 3: liked this.
[20:24] Speaker 2: All the way from sunny California. Please welcome to Master
[20:28] Speaker 2: Sheeff Australia, the Duchess of Sussex. For Meghan marco.
[20:48] Speaker 3: H, I don't have words. I'm lost for words for
[20:51] Speaker 3: the first time in my life. So she's actually going
[20:53] Speaker 3: to be a guest judge, would you believe? Apparently she's
[20:57] Speaker 3: mentored and guided contestants. Now what could Megan possibly bring
[21:03] Speaker 3: to the table. Well, I might have an idea.
[21:07] Speaker 2: Will she show them how she makes this funny enough?
[21:11] Speaker 2: You can't call this jam.
[21:13] Speaker 6: Jam has to be equal parts fruit and equal parts sugar.
[21:17] Speaker 2: So if you had eight cups of fruit, you would
[21:20] Speaker 2: have to have eight cups of sugar.
[21:22] Speaker 4: The technical term for jam includes a one for one
[21:26] Speaker 4: ratio of sugar and fruit.
[21:27] Speaker 14: Most people don't do that.
[21:29] Speaker 2: I don't like it to be a sweet and it's
[21:31] Speaker 2: not running down the plate. That's a great jam. Consistency.
[21:36] Speaker 3: Wow, she really is a genius, isn't she a true genius?
[21:40] Speaker 3: She's got so many incredible skills. Seriously, so don't tell
[21:47] Speaker 3: me mister and missus Grifter are not here to make
[21:51] Speaker 3: a buck or two.
[21:53] Speaker 2: We'll have more on that tomorrow coming up after the break.
[21:55] Speaker 3: Attention Chris Bowen, your beloved solar panels aunt a zeco friendly?
[21:59] Speaker 2: Is you preach?
[22:00] Speaker 3: In fact, a new warning has come from your very department.
[22:04] Speaker 3: That are more with my panel David Limbrick and Stephen
[22:06] Speaker 3: Conroy next.
[22:13] Speaker 15: Goodday guys.
[22:13] Speaker 1: Paul here.
[22:14] Speaker 15: Sorry, I'm not hosting tonight. I'm off out of town
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[22:19] Speaker 15: a couple of weeks time. In the meantime, if you
[22:22] Speaker 15: can join us for Our Town, I'd love to see
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[22:36] Speaker 14: Enjoy the show, well, welcome back to the program.
[22:42] Speaker 3: Joining me now in the panel is Victorian libertarian leader
[22:46] Speaker 3: David Limbrick and former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy. Great to
[22:49] Speaker 3: see you both. Thank you so much for joining me
[22:51] Speaker 3: on the show. Let's start with the warning from the
[22:54] Speaker 3: International Monetary Fund to governments, including Australias, that they need
[22:57] Speaker 3: to be careful on spending as the Iram War could
[23:00] Speaker 3: throw the world economy off course and trigger a global recession.
[23:04] Speaker 3: He is a reminder of Jim Chalmer's reaction today.
[23:08] Speaker 10: This is a really dangerous time for the global economy.
[23:11] Speaker 10: Now Australia is better placed and better prepared than a
[23:14] Speaker 10: number of other countries, but we won't be spared the
[23:18] Speaker 10: fallout from this very substantial economic shock.
[23:23] Speaker 3: David the Treasurer there saying we're prepared, We're ready to go.
[23:26] Speaker 3: Given he's actually spent us into oblivion, do you believe him?
[23:33] Speaker 16: Well, inflation was a problem well before this war, and frankly,
[23:37] Speaker 16: I'm sick of politicians blaming the war on everything. Ultimately,
[23:41] Speaker 16: the problem here is governments have been spending too much
[23:43] Speaker 16: money for too long. That's driving up inflation. They've been
[23:46] Speaker 16: printing money, it's gone out of control. Ultimately, they need
[23:49] Speaker 16: to cut back spending, cut back the size of government
[23:52] Speaker 16: to allow the private sector to flourish, and just blaming
[23:56] Speaker 16: everything on the Iran war is just a cop out.
[23:58] Speaker 16: I think.
[23:59] Speaker 3: Oh, look, I totally agree. And as I said earlier,
[24:01] Speaker 3: we can see where this is going, can't we. I mean,
[24:03] Speaker 3: Jim is prepping us all for buttering us up. It's
[24:06] Speaker 3: all the war's fault.
[24:07] Speaker 2: But as you.
[24:07] Speaker 3: Said, I mean inflation was rising pre war, and Stephen
[24:11] Speaker 3: just on that. You know we've got debt about to
[24:12] Speaker 3: hit a trillion dollars. Inflation is a problem record government spending.
[24:16] Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers says, we don't know, we're prepared. Is he
[24:19] Speaker 3: having us on?
[24:22] Speaker 1: No, Look, I can't agree with the characterization of David
[24:25] Speaker 1: or yourself here at all.
[24:28] Speaker 11: This government. Jim Chalmers ran two surpluses. So to David's
[24:31] Speaker 11: point that you know we're crowding out the private secret
[24:34] Speaker 11: will surpluses actually represents a chance for the private sector
[24:37] Speaker 11: to come in. But what has really been happening is
[24:39] Speaker 11: the government has been propping up the economy. I mean
[24:41] Speaker 11: the flat earth brigade who want to say the government
[24:44] Speaker 11: should be coming back spending, ignoring the reality of the economy,
[24:48] Speaker 11: ignoring the reality of the economy is if the government
[24:51] Speaker 11: retreated its activity, I took cash out, spent less, the
[24:56] Speaker 11: economy would collapse. Unemployment would start head till five percent,
[25:00] Speaker 11: and all the estimates are that a couple hundred thousand
[25:03] Speaker 11: Australians would be unemployed today if the Reserve Bank forced
[25:08] Speaker 11: inflation back into what it calls its mid zone, let's
[25:11] Speaker 11: say two point five percent. But the Reserve Bank have
[25:14] Speaker 11: two responsibilities. They've got unemployment levels and they've got inflation levels.
[25:20] Speaker 11: We're going to see a higher level of inflation for
[25:23] Speaker 11: probably six to twelve months because the real effects of
[25:27] Speaker 11: the petrol price increases are going to start to be
[25:30] Speaker 11: felt in every sector because transport, you know, the crops,
[25:35] Speaker 11: the fertilizer, the shortages. We're going to see six to
[25:38] Speaker 11: twelve months more of inflation pain because of this conflict.
[25:42] Speaker 1: And that's if it ended tomorrow.
[25:44] Speaker 2: But hang on, but hang on.
[25:45] Speaker 3: Multiple experts, to be fair Stephen have said that government
[25:49] Speaker 3: spending has been a problem and just about propping up
[25:52] Speaker 3: the economy. Hasn't migration propped up this economy. We're're literally
[25:55] Speaker 3: running this Ponzi scheme economy. And the only reason why
[25:58] Speaker 3: we are not in a recession right now is because
[26:01] Speaker 3: of record migration. More than one point four million migrants
[26:03] Speaker 3: have come into this country in four years alone.
[26:07] Speaker 11: Okay, I appreciate it's fashionable to try and pretend that
[26:10] Speaker 11: the economy is a Ponzi scheme.
[26:12] Speaker 2: Well it is under migration.
[26:15] Speaker 11: You've dragged in a completely separate issue to talk about
[26:17] Speaker 11: government spending.
[26:20] Speaker 2: Eomy.
[26:21] Speaker 11: I'm happy the government is. GDP is defined as se
[26:25] Speaker 11: plus I plus g G being government.
[26:27] Speaker 12: Okay.
[26:28] Speaker 11: That's how you create GDP. Consumption, investment, business, and government.
[26:31] Speaker 11: They're the three sectors. You can add exports and imports,
[26:34] Speaker 11: as the Reserve government did chiefly recently, but that is
[26:39] Speaker 11: essentially the formula for how an economy is created. Government
[26:43] Speaker 11: are a part of that. The flat earth economists who
[26:46] Speaker 11: are demanding the government slash and burn it spending, they
[26:50] Speaker 11: want to see the economy go into a session.
[26:53] Speaker 2: Right, So you don't think there's a problem with record spending.
[26:58] Speaker 9: Now.
[26:58] Speaker 11: I think the government actually ran two surpluses that meant
[27:03] Speaker 11: they raised more than they spent.
[27:06] Speaker 1: So we've got.
[27:09] Speaker 11: Nine percent of GDP. That's a lot keeping keeping the
[27:13] Speaker 11: economy growing. If you were to take out some of
[27:17] Speaker 11: that government spending over the last couple of years, the
[27:20] Speaker 11: economy will be in recession. You'd have two hundred thousand
[27:23] Speaker 11: more unemployed. This is a choice and the government have
[27:28] Speaker 11: got the balance right.
[27:30] Speaker 1: And pointy head.
[27:31] Speaker 11: So called experts in the financial markets who want to
[27:35] Speaker 11: say inflation is the only thing that matters. We've got
[27:38] Speaker 11: to get it between two and three percent tomorrow, well
[27:41] Speaker 11: I call them out the flat earth brigade.
[27:43] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, I want to move on, but
[27:45] Speaker 3: I will say I take your point. But what I
[27:47] Speaker 3: will say is is that I do trust these experts
[27:49] Speaker 3: in the economy when they have said that Jim Chalmers
[27:51] Speaker 3: spending is out of control. The RBA also warned about
[27:53] Speaker 3: government spending, and now we've got the International Monetary Funder.
[27:56] Speaker 2: I'd like to think that they.
[27:58] Speaker 3: Do know what they're talking about, Stephen, but it's a
[28:02] Speaker 3: good debate to have, though I absolutely agree with it. Now, look,
[28:05] Speaker 3: I want to talk to you both about migration. This
[28:07] Speaker 3: has been a hot button topic since the Coalition released
[28:10] Speaker 3: its plan yesterday. But I saw in the Daily Telegraph
[28:13] Speaker 3: it's exclusively revealed that a staggering seventy seven thousand illegal
[28:18] Speaker 3: migrants have entered the country, and not to mention roughly
[28:21] Speaker 3: twenty five thousand unlawful non citizens have remained in Australia
[28:25] Speaker 3: without visas for more than a decade. That is an
[28:29] Speaker 3: astonishing number. And you know, David, you've got Angus Taylor.
[28:33] Speaker 3: He's been villainized by the left to the last twenty
[28:36] Speaker 3: four hours for wanting to export these illegal migrants. What
[28:41] Speaker 3: do you say to that.
[28:44] Speaker 16: Look, these unlawful non citizens, that number of seventy odd
[28:48] Speaker 16: thousand has been stable for a very long time. And
[28:50] Speaker 16: these are not illegal immigrants. It's not like the United
[28:53] Speaker 16: States where we've got poorly managed borders. Our borders are
[28:56] Speaker 16: actually managed well. These people arrived on valid visa And
[29:00] Speaker 16: if you look at the top countries. Last time I checked,
[29:02] Speaker 16: the top sources of countries where these people were from
[29:06] Speaker 16: was China, Malaysia, the United States and the UK. And
[29:09] Speaker 16: I think if you look into what these people really
[29:11] Speaker 16: are doing in Australia, you'll find out a lot of
[29:14] Speaker 16: them are down at the beach surfing and smoking weed
[29:16] Speaker 16: and just we're having such a good time they didn't
[29:19] Speaker 16: go home. I don't see this as a national security threat. Look,
[29:22] Speaker 16: it's okay to have a debate about legal immigration. We
[29:25] Speaker 16: should be having a debate about the numbers and type
[29:27] Speaker 16: of immigration, but this unlawful non citizens. Yes, they should
[29:31] Speaker 16: go home if they don't have a valid visa, But
[29:33] Speaker 16: I don't think that this is what they're making it
[29:35] Speaker 16: out to be.
[29:36] Speaker 2: So, David, do you agree then with the coalition's plan.
[29:42] Speaker 16: On the unlawful Look, I mean, if they're here and
[29:45] Speaker 16: they shouldn't be here, then we should take them. You know,
[29:48] Speaker 16: they should be told to go home. But the reason
[29:50] Speaker 16: that the numbers have stayed stable for so long is
[29:52] Speaker 16: because they do naturally go home after a period of time.
[29:55] Speaker 16: If they had to get rid of them all at
[29:57] Speaker 16: once and deport them, I don't know how they'd find
[29:59] Speaker 16: all these people. But if they can hunt them down
[30:01] Speaker 16: and find them and tell them to go home, then
[30:03] Speaker 16: that's that's good, I suppose. But like, I don't see
[30:05] Speaker 16: this as like some sort of national security issue. It's
[30:08] Speaker 16: not a burden on taxpayers. I think if you're going
[30:10] Speaker 16: to talk about immigration, let's talk about the legal immigration
[30:14] Speaker 16: and those numbers there this are you know, actually we
[30:18] Speaker 16: manage our borders pretty well in Australia.
[30:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean you've got to.
[30:21] Speaker 3: You'd have to go hunt them down at the beaches,
[30:23] Speaker 3: as you said, David, when on the beaches smoking weed. Absolutely, Stephen,
[30:30] Speaker 3: you know it's a good question to ask, though, where
[30:32] Speaker 3: is the urgency to resolve this and what what can
[30:35] Speaker 3: labor do to fix this?
[30:38] Speaker 1: Well, well, first I agree with everything David just said. Okay.
[30:42] Speaker 11: Secondly, if you want to spend a lot of taxpayers
[30:45] Speaker 11: money creating an effective echo of the of the ice
[30:50] Speaker 11: mob goons in the US, you go ahead and spend
[30:54] Speaker 11: a lot of money to deal with a problem that
[30:57] Speaker 11: doesn't exist.
[30:59] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not saying sotay.
[31:00] Speaker 11: Five thousand people are here.
[31:03] Speaker 1: They are. This is beyond a beat up.
[31:05] Speaker 11: These seventy five thousand people were apparently happy to live
[31:10] Speaker 11: through the nine years of coalition government, nine years when
[31:14] Speaker 11: Angus Tadler.
[31:15] Speaker 1: Was a minister, No one cared. No one cared.
[31:18] Speaker 11: So suddenly, to try and distract from a fairly average
[31:21] Speaker 11: performance at the press club and an average speech with
[31:24] Speaker 11: pretty average content, he creates an argument about something that
[31:29] Speaker 11: he was responsible for as a minister in government in
[31:32] Speaker 11: cabinet for nine years. I mean, this is a ludicrous
[31:37] Speaker 11: argument and a distraction from a pretty poor policy that's
[31:40] Speaker 11: about echoing Donald Trump, and that didn't work so well
[31:43] Speaker 11: in case he hasn't noticed, it didn't work so well
[31:45] Speaker 11: in the last election, for just Enter Price or Peter Duntin.
[31:49] Speaker 1: So if you want to echo Donald Trump, make my day.
[31:54] Speaker 3: But do you seriously think that that's offensive to people
[31:56] Speaker 3: now that he's echoing Donald Trump or going down the
[31:59] Speaker 3: vibes of Pauline answered, I mean, you know.
[32:04] Speaker 1: Around thousand people, but.
[32:05] Speaker 3: People are sitting around their tables, and I'm talking now
[32:08] Speaker 3: in general because you mentioned that the policy, you said
[32:10] Speaker 3: it was a pretty you know, overall, it was a
[32:12] Speaker 3: weak speech. But I still of what people are talking about
[32:14] Speaker 3: it they're dinner tables. Are they not about migration at
[32:17] Speaker 3: about lower levels?
[32:20] Speaker 11: I think there's in general a good discussion taking place
[32:23] Speaker 11: about the rate of immigration, why it's important, how it
[32:26] Speaker 11: helps the economy, how it has creates infrastructure.
[32:29] Speaker 1: Strange. That's a valid that's a valid debate.
[32:32] Speaker 11: But trying to pretend suddenly that seventy thousand people, which
[32:34] Speaker 11: is David said, he's looked at the stats, has been
[32:37] Speaker 11: stable over ten years years your self said it nine
[32:40] Speaker 11: of that is nine of those years when it was
[32:42] Speaker 11: roughly around that number.
[32:44] Speaker 1: It was a coalition government who are tough on boarders.
[32:46] Speaker 3: Well, well, I mean they're at the beach suddenly today exactly,
[32:51] Speaker 3: they're all at the beach.
[32:52] Speaker 2: We're going to round the US. We're going to give
[32:53] Speaker 2: it a crap.
[32:57] Speaker 16: Where are you?
[32:57] Speaker 2: Where are you?
[32:58] Speaker 3: But look, I mean look, in principle, I'm all for
[33:01] Speaker 3: this policy. I think we really need to see some
[33:04] Speaker 3: sort of a tough crackdown on migration, illegal migration, these
[33:08] Speaker 3: people who have come here.
[33:10] Speaker 2: I think something has to happen.
[33:12] Speaker 3: Now what I talk to you both about, Chris Bowen
[33:13] Speaker 3: And Chris Bowen, if you're listening, which you wouldn't be,
[33:16] Speaker 3: but block your ears please. I hate to break it
[33:18] Speaker 3: to you, but your beloved solar panels aren't as eco
[33:20] Speaker 3: friendly as you preach. And fascinatingly, this warning comes from
[33:24] Speaker 3: his own department. It says Australia faces a glut of
[33:27] Speaker 3: old solar panels polluting the environment by leaching toxic chemicals
[33:31] Speaker 3: into landfill, with no viable reuse or recycling solutions available.
[33:36] Speaker 3: David Wow, I mean this is not what the left
[33:40] Speaker 3: wants anyone to hear, do they.
[33:44] Speaker 16: Well, this has been a problem for a long time.
[33:46] Speaker 16: In fact, I brought this up in Parliament in twenty nineteen,
[33:49] Speaker 16: I was asking the government what they're doing about solar
[33:52] Speaker 16: panel wasting Victoria. At the time, they were just storing
[33:55] Speaker 16: them and stacking them in sheds because they're banning them
[33:57] Speaker 16: from landfill because old solar panel have cadmium telerit in them,
[34:01] Speaker 16: which is toxic, as you pointed out in your report.
[34:04] Speaker 16: And what they're still doing now is stacking them up
[34:07] Speaker 16: in sheds. There's been a few recyclers attempting to recycle them.
[34:12] Speaker 16: There was a case I was informed of recently where
[34:14] Speaker 16: a parent recycler turned out to be fake and they
[34:18] Speaker 16: were just storing them in fields, and some of them
[34:20] Speaker 16: even apparently were shipped off to Nigeria and burnt. So
[34:24] Speaker 16: like this sort of subsidy system that the government creates
[34:28] Speaker 16: with a lot of these recycling systems that we've seen,
[34:31] Speaker 16: just ends up to be a magnet for organized crime
[34:34] Speaker 16: and grifting. I'm concerned about what they're going to actually
[34:37] Speaker 16: do with all this waste because there hasn't been really
[34:41] Speaker 16: any economically viable recyclers happening throughout the world. There's a few,
[34:45] Speaker 16: you know, people that are doing research and stuff at
[34:47] Speaker 16: the moment, but this has been a long term problem
[34:49] Speaker 16: and no one's come up with a good economic solution
[34:52] Speaker 16: so far. It's going to be a big problem.
[34:54] Speaker 11: Look cant to say, Danik, I agree with someone David
[34:57] Speaker 11: she but I disagree because tragical for my many sins
[35:01] Speaker 11: in my life. I have some understanding of the technologies
[35:06] Speaker 11: that are being put forward. David makes a very good point.
[35:09] Speaker 11: People have struggled to make them economic. It's a very
[35:12] Speaker 11: good point. But there are I know of at least
[35:14] Speaker 11: three different technologies that are able to dispose of these Okay,
[35:20] Speaker 11: I know three because you know I've spoken with the
[35:23] Speaker 11: people involved with them, and there's a huge pool of
[35:28] Speaker 11: them out there. They are going to have to be
[35:29] Speaker 11: dealt with the point that David made about being exported
[35:35] Speaker 11: and burns. They usually pretend that they're going to put
[35:38] Speaker 11: them into the because they say they're down to eighty
[35:41] Speaker 11: five percent efficiency in Australia, which still means that they're
[35:45] Speaker 11: useful in other countries, Africa in particular, so they take
[35:47] Speaker 11: them over that and then ultimately destroy them. So those
[35:50] Speaker 11: are very very valid points that David's made, But there
[35:53] Speaker 11: are technologies that do deal with this problem because they
[35:57] Speaker 11: do leach. They have very bad toxins in them, and
[36:00] Speaker 11: yes there are warehouses around the country saw them when
[36:04] Speaker 11: Victoria banned them from being in landfill.
[36:07] Speaker 1: The game be can.
[36:10] Speaker 11: South Australian companies send over trucks took them to South
[36:14] Speaker 11: Australia and put them in landfil because I hadn't banned
[36:16] Speaker 11: it yet We've.
[36:17] Speaker 1: Got what's reverted to as the circular.
[36:18] Speaker 11: Economy, and there's now all sorts of rules about you've
[36:22] Speaker 11: got to be able to show how you're going to
[36:23] Speaker 11: dispose of them. There's a whole bunch of things that
[36:27] Speaker 11: are already happening, but none of them, to Dave's very
[36:30] Speaker 11: valid points, have been shown to be yet economically viable.
[36:34] Speaker 11: But there are technologies that do deal with this problem.
[36:36] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we'd love to see the technology because
[36:39] Speaker 3: we are on this green dream.
[36:41] Speaker 11: I'll take you to show you one, take you out
[36:46] Speaker 11: to show it to Steven.
[36:47] Speaker 3: That would be an I cannot wait to do more
[36:49] Speaker 3: research on the on the renewables only fantasy, on the
[36:52] Speaker 3: on the magic carpet ride that we're on. But you
[36:54] Speaker 3: know what, it is a conversation that labour actually needs
[36:57] Speaker 3: to have because this is not what you hear about.
[36:58] Speaker 3: And then the left of very that's white on this.
[37:00] Speaker 3: They're all about selling the green dreams, selling the fantasies.
[37:03] Speaker 3: But you don't hear about the waste, the leaching on
[37:06] Speaker 3: the environment, what's going on to the marine life.
[37:09] Speaker 2: They're all very quiet about this. Now, I want to
[37:11] Speaker 2: change pace a little bit here.
[37:13] Speaker 3: Let's talk about the modern day CV, because imagine, you know,
[37:17] Speaker 3: spending years chasing your dream job, the late nights, the deadlines,
[37:21] Speaker 3: the thesis that nearly broke you all for that one interview,
[37:23] Speaker 3: and then your interviewer says, well, this is all very good,
[37:26] Speaker 3: but what about your lived in experience. Well that's now
[37:29] Speaker 3: apparently a deciding factor. The government's National Mental Health Commission
[37:33] Speaker 3: has turned lived experience into an essential job requirement. So
[37:38] Speaker 3: even if you are the most qualified for a job there,
[37:40] Speaker 3: unless you have lived experience with mental health, you won't.
[37:44] Speaker 2: Actually get a job. Well, David, look what's.
[37:48] Speaker 3: Your take on this, because I just think, come on
[37:51] Speaker 3: again to me, this is going down the DEI lines.
[37:54] Speaker 3: You could just make up a sop story and get
[37:57] Speaker 3: a job.
[37:57] Speaker 16: What do you think, Well, my lived experience tells me
[38:02] Speaker 16: that the person that should get a job is the
[38:04] Speaker 16: best person for the job, regardless of their supposed lived experience.
[38:08] Speaker 16: We went through this recently in parliament where the state
[38:11] Speaker 16: government actually tried to get rid of some mental health
[38:14] Speaker 16: commissioners that you know, in order to make things more streamlined.
[38:17] Speaker 16: Believe it or not, the Victorian government did that, and
[38:20] Speaker 16: the Liberal Party actually got upset about it because they
[38:23] Speaker 16: didn't have a mental health commissioner that had lived experience,
[38:26] Speaker 16: and they ended up forcing the government into putting back
[38:30] Speaker 16: in another commissioner with lived experience, and I was just
[38:33] Speaker 16: astounded that the Liberal Party did that. Look, I think
[38:37] Speaker 16: that with all of these things, the person that should
[38:40] Speaker 16: get the job should be the best qualified with the
[38:42] Speaker 16: best experience. Now maybe that means that they do have
[38:45] Speaker 16: experience with mental health conditions or looking after someone with
[38:47] Speaker 16: mental health conditions, but maybe not. I don't think that
[38:50] Speaker 16: people should be excluded because they've had experience with mental
[38:53] Speaker 16: health issues, but it certainly shouldn't be a requirement for
[38:56] Speaker 16: the job.
[38:56] Speaker 2: No, I'm with you all the way.
[38:57] Speaker 3: It should always be in every single situation, the best candidate,
[39:01] Speaker 3: who's going to be the best.
[39:02] Speaker 2: For that position. Stephen, what's your take on it?
[39:06] Speaker 11: Heah, Look, I mean whenever I've interviewed for staff over
[39:11] Speaker 11: the years or people that have worked with me. You
[39:14] Speaker 11: always want to look for someone who's got a well
[39:17] Speaker 11: rounded CV, meaning a little bit of lived experience. What
[39:21] Speaker 11: do they do, what are their interests, as well as
[39:23] Speaker 11: you have the hardcore qualifications. It just seems that they've
[39:26] Speaker 11: sort of got the balance a bit going too far
[39:29] Speaker 11: in the other direction and these sorts of discussions and
[39:33] Speaker 11: these sorts of jobs. But there's always been a role
[39:35] Speaker 11: for lived experience. It just this one just seems a
[39:38] Speaker 11: bit weird that they've really elevated it to being the
[39:41] Speaker 11: most significant factor in the interview process.
[39:46] Speaker 3: I agree again, I just think it's like very very
[39:49] Speaker 3: deies and that's certainly not what we want in this
[39:52] Speaker 3: day and age.
[39:53] Speaker 2: But that's where we're at.
[39:54] Speaker 3: David Linbrick, Stephen Conroy, we've got to leave it there.
[39:56] Speaker 3: Great to see you both as always. Thank you, Thank you,
[39:59] Speaker 3: good to chat. Thanks very much for joining me.
[40:01] Speaker 2: Stay with us.
[40:02] Speaker 3: Coming up from the non Royals to the real Royals,
[40:05] Speaker 3: I'll be joined by the only biographer to have interviewed
[40:08] Speaker 3: the entire royal family about his new book on Queen
[40:12] Speaker 3: Elizabeth the Second.
[40:13] Speaker 2: You won't want to miss it.
[40:19] Speaker 15: Goodday, guys. Paul here sorry, I'm not hosting tonight. I'm
[40:22] Speaker 15: off out of town filming something pretty special. But we'll
[40:25] Speaker 15: get to that in a couple of weeks time. In
[40:27] Speaker 15: the meantime, if you can join us for Our Town,
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[40:43] Speaker 14: Enjoy the show, Welcome back to the program.
[40:48] Speaker 3: Well, we've spoken a lot this week about the non
[40:51] Speaker 3: Royals and their phony Australian tour, but let's talk about.
[40:54] Speaker 2: The real Royals.
[40:55] Speaker 3: In a new book titled Elizabeth in Private, In Public,
[40:59] Speaker 3: The in Side Story, renowned royal biographer Robert Hardman dishes
[41:04] Speaker 3: out a myriad of fresh details about our monarchy. Now
[41:07] Speaker 3: Robert is the only biographer to have interviewed the entire
[41:11] Speaker 3: royal family, and I'm very pleased to say he joins
[41:14] Speaker 3: me now live from London. Robert, a pleasure to have
[41:17] Speaker 3: you on the program. Thank you very very much for
[41:19] Speaker 3: joining me. So the book has been called a celebration
[41:23] Speaker 3: of the late monarch's life.
[41:24] Speaker 2: Tell us about it, Well.
[41:27] Speaker 17: Thank you very much having me on Doneka. Yeah, it's
[41:30] Speaker 17: obviously next week will be the centenary of her of
[41:34] Speaker 17: her birth, and it's a moment ready to stand back,
[41:37] Speaker 17: I think and just reflect on her record breaking rain
[41:41] Speaker 17: and astonishing life. I mean, she was the longest reigning
[41:44] Speaker 17: monarch in history, but much more than just longevity.
[41:48] Speaker 1: I mean, she.
[41:48] Speaker 17: Steered the institution from really the immediate aftermath of the
[41:52] Speaker 17: Second World War with Winston Church right up to the present.
[41:56] Speaker 17: And what I show in the book is that even
[41:59] Speaker 17: up and up up to an including her final week,
[42:02] Speaker 17: she was still working. She was still attending to her duty.
[42:08] Speaker 17: And obviously the book goes into all her relations with
[42:12] Speaker 17: other members of the family, with world leaders. In the
[42:15] Speaker 17: course of my research, actually ended up traveling out to
[42:19] Speaker 17: Mara Lago in Florida to talk to her last state
[42:22] Speaker 17: visitor at certain Donald J. Trump, who had all sorts
[42:24] Speaker 17: of things to say about us. So what I find
[42:27] Speaker 17: is that you know, she's now it's four years since
[42:31] Speaker 17: she passed, but people still want to talk about her.
[42:33] Speaker 17: They're still fascinated by her. And I really think the
[42:37] Speaker 17: centenary is a great moment just to look back.
[42:40] Speaker 3: Look absolutely and even here in Australia, she was absolutely adored.
[42:45] Speaker 3: I find it interesting because she was twenty five when
[42:48] Speaker 3: she became head of state.
[42:50] Speaker 2: That's very young. Was she born to rain do you think.
[42:54] Speaker 17: Well, no, she wasn't. I mean she agnores her dad.
[42:57] Speaker 17: I mean, this is the interesting thing. She she was
[43:00] Speaker 17: a twenty five year old mother of two. Really for
[43:04] Speaker 17: the first ten years of her life she was not
[43:06] Speaker 17: expected to be queen. I mean her uncle David as
[43:10] Speaker 17: she called him, we later became over of the eighth.
[43:12] Speaker 17: He was the eldest son of King Georgia fifth. It
[43:15] Speaker 17: was all supposed to go to him. He was expected
[43:17] Speaker 17: to get married, have a family. But as time wore on,
[43:21] Speaker 17: obviously he didn't want to do that. He wanted to
[43:23] Speaker 17: marry Wallace Simpson. He had to abdicate and in nineteen
[43:27] Speaker 17: thirty six her father became King Georgia sixth and very
[43:31] Speaker 17: soon after that the whole family were thrown into the
[43:34] Speaker 17: turmoil of the Second World War. And that is a
[43:36] Speaker 17: story in itself because you know, at the outset of
[43:39] Speaker 17: the war it was very uncertain whether whether the monarchy
[43:42] Speaker 17: whether Britain would survive. I mean, thank goodness for Commonwealth allies,
[43:46] Speaker 17: notably Australia and the other Commonwealth allies, without whom I mean,
[43:51] Speaker 17: it could have been a very different stories. So she
[43:53] Speaker 17: saw the perils of monarchy, if you like. She learned
[43:56] Speaker 17: how to reign from her father, who she adored. I
[43:59] Speaker 17: mean he really was her and he became ill towards
[44:02] Speaker 17: the end of after the war in the forties and
[44:06] Speaker 17: by the fifties he was meant to go on this
[44:07] Speaker 17: big tour to Australia and he couldn't he wasn't well,
[44:12] Speaker 17: so he asked the Princess and Prince Philip to go
[44:14] Speaker 17: in his place, and they had only really set off
[44:17] Speaker 17: that only got as far as Kenya, famously, and the
[44:21] Speaker 17: news came through that the king had died, so she
[44:23] Speaker 17: had to come back, and thus began, at this very
[44:27] Speaker 17: early age, this epic reign. And back in those days,
[44:32] Speaker 17: I mean things moved at a slower pace. I mean
[44:34] Speaker 17: it was ten months before we heard her on the airwaves.
[44:38] Speaker 17: And it contrast that with King Charles the Third. I
[44:41] Speaker 17: mean it was less than twenty four hours before he
[44:43] Speaker 17: hit the airwaves as a king. So I mean you know,
[44:46] Speaker 17: life has changed, the world has changed, but really was
[44:49] Speaker 17: what's fascinating is you know, and her reign was not
[44:52] Speaker 17: It wasn't all a bed of roses. As we know,
[44:54] Speaker 17: she had all sorts of challenges along the way. But
[44:56] Speaker 17: you know she threw thick and thin. She never wavered no.
[45:01] Speaker 3: And you know, it's interesting because obviously the Queen was
[45:03] Speaker 3: notoriously private the royal family in general, and you mentioned
[45:06] Speaker 3: some of the challenges along the way. Are you able
[45:09] Speaker 3: to give us some insights because obviously, Megs it was
[45:12] Speaker 3: a big deal, but also Andrew.
[45:16] Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, you know, she had these golden eras,
[45:19] Speaker 17: if you like, of her reign, and she had these
[45:21] Speaker 17: low points. And obviously everyone always remembers the nineteen nineties
[45:25] Speaker 17: when she spoke of her Anna Cerebylis and the bust
[45:28] Speaker 17: up between Charles and Dye and the death of Diana.
[45:30] Speaker 17: But late in life, as you say, Danika, there was
[45:34] Speaker 17: big big challenges came along within amount of weeks of
[45:38] Speaker 17: each other. Right at the end of twenty nineteen, when
[45:41] Speaker 17: first of all you have Prince Andrew going on the
[45:43] Speaker 17: airwaves and giving his disastrous interview trying to explain away
[45:47] Speaker 17: his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein fooling no one, after which
[45:51] Speaker 17: the Queen effectively had to sack her own son from
[45:54] Speaker 17: public life. And then just a matter of weeks after that,
[45:59] Speaker 17: Harry and Meghan's said, you know what, we're out of here.
[46:01] Speaker 17: We've had enough of this royal stuff. Were go, and
[46:04] Speaker 17: then began, if you like, two parallel dramas. You had
[46:08] Speaker 17: the ongoing story of Andrew, which continues to this day
[46:11] Speaker 17: as more and more lurid revelations appear about his friendship
[46:15] Speaker 17: with Jeffrey Epstein, the fact that in that interview back
[46:18] Speaker 17: in twenty nineteen he defectively lied. He'd said he'd severed
[46:21] Speaker 17: all links with Epstein, and he hadn't, and that's why
[46:24] Speaker 17: the king has removed all his titles and banished him
[46:28] Speaker 17: to a farm on the Sandringham estate. But in parallel
[46:31] Speaker 17: to that, you've got Harry and Meghan sort of constantly
[46:34] Speaker 17: trying to reinvent their lives, as you know, a woman
[46:37] Speaker 17: at the royal woman at the not I think what
[46:40] Speaker 17: really hurt the late Queen was that interview they gave
[46:42] Speaker 17: to Oprah Winfrey in the spring of twenty twenty one,
[46:46] Speaker 17: when the accusations that no one had helped them. And
[46:50] Speaker 17: even worse, the insinuation that there was as a racist
[46:54] Speaker 17: undercurrent running.
[46:55] Speaker 1: Through the palace.
[46:56] Speaker 17: That I think that really for the queen who devoted
[46:59] Speaker 17: her life to the commonwealth, that was a very low blow.
[47:02] Speaker 17: So yeah, even at the end, she had these dramas,
[47:05] Speaker 17: but she got on with them. She dealt with them,
[47:06] Speaker 17: you know, because that's what you do. Other other monarchs
[47:11] Speaker 17: had abdicated you late in life to have a retirement,
[47:15] Speaker 17: easy retirement. She never did that.
[47:17] Speaker 3: No, it just goes to show how dedicated she was
[47:19] Speaker 3: to the role. That's what she devoted her entire life to.
[47:23] Speaker 3: The book is called Elizabeth in Private, in Public, the
[47:27] Speaker 3: inside story there it is on our screens right now.
[47:30] Speaker 3: Robert Hardman, it's been a pleasure to speak with you.
[47:32] Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time, and we'll all
[47:34] Speaker 3: be looking out for your book.
[47:35] Speaker 2: Really appreciated.
[47:37] Speaker 17: Thanks very much, Dana Ger, I've enjoyed it.
[47:39] Speaker 3: Still to come, Joe Biden must be banned, okay from
[47:43] Speaker 3: all public speaking events.
[47:44] Speaker 2: Please, I'll show you why next. Welcome back.
[47:52] Speaker 3: Well, this is why Joe Biden should no longer be
[47:54] Speaker 3: allowed to speak in public. Here he was at Syracuse
[47:58] Speaker 3: University when he pulled a bl black man on stage
[48:02] Speaker 3: because he looks like Barack Obama.
[48:06] Speaker 2: I feel like he should be standing on the right.
[48:08] Speaker 11: They should be staying on the left.
[48:11] Speaker 2: Look at Barack anyway, As I said, you've done good,
[48:16] Speaker 2: so well.
[48:17] Speaker 3: Try I mean, look, firstly, can you even understand what
[48:22] Speaker 3: the heck he's on about?
[48:23] Speaker 2: And secondly, if it.
[48:24] Speaker 3: Had been anyone else saying a black man looks like Barak,
[48:29] Speaker 3: imagine Trump saying that the liberal media and the left
[48:32] Speaker 3: would have had a field day.
[48:33] Speaker 2: They would have called him a racist.
[48:35] Speaker 3: But seriously, you've got to get that bumbling idiot off stage.
[48:39] Speaker 2: Please get Joe off the stage.
[48:40] Speaker 3: He cannot possibly be doing any more public events. Thanks
[48:44] Speaker 3: for your company tonight. I'll be back again tomorrow. Up
[48:46] Speaker 3: next to the Late Debate,

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