# Paul Murray Live | 23 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 23 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/f894d438-102e-449b-94bc-b49000cef664/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

A life dissatisfaction epidemic in Australia, Victorian Liberal guilty of misconduct over post. Plus, scammers are using AI to steal our money. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, James. We've got an awful lot
[0:08] Speaker 1: of work to do in the man Cave, so I'm
[0:09] Speaker 1: glad you hear this Thursday night. We've got an awful
[0:11] Speaker 1: lot to get to. A reminder, we're going to be
[0:13] Speaker 1: in Armadal, Central West, New South Wales this weekend. I
[0:16] Speaker 1: know it's cold, but I can't wait. It'll be fun
[0:18] Speaker 1: and I look forward to bringing you that show thanks
[0:20] Speaker 1: to our mates at Harvey Norman on Sunday night. Now,
[0:23] Speaker 1: as you've just heard with James, there was a bizarre
[0:26] Speaker 1: scenario today where the number of people that are working
[0:30] Speaker 1: in Australia has increased in the past month. In fact,
[0:34] Speaker 1: full time employment went up by twenty nine thousand workers.
[0:39] Speaker 1: Part time employment has gone up by forty seven thousand people. Now, amazingly,
[0:46] Speaker 1: there are places that are not doing that well, including Victoria,
[0:49] Speaker 1: where their jobless rate is now the worst since the
[0:53] Speaker 1: COVID nineteen lockdowns. But unbelievably, despite the fact that more
[0:58] Speaker 1: people have a job, there is a chance that those
[1:01] Speaker 1: who have a job are going to find an even
[1:04] Speaker 1: harder time to pay off their mortgage. Now, as you've
[1:08] Speaker 1: just heard, and as seems to be the case when
[1:11] Speaker 1: it comes to the economy, the employment story isn't necessarily
[1:14] Speaker 1: a story of strength. It is logically, but of course
[1:18] Speaker 1: in the wider ebb and flow of the economy, there
[1:22] Speaker 1: being essentially a very few people who are out of
[1:26] Speaker 1: work becomes a problem with the economy. So interest rates
[1:31] Speaker 1: may have to rise. Now, what is particularly interesting about
[1:34] Speaker 1: this interest rate rise is there have already been fifteen
[1:38] Speaker 1: of them. There have been fifteen of them since this
[1:41] Speaker 1: labor government came to power. And at a moment I'll talk
[1:45] Speaker 1: about the endless gas lighting that this government wants to
[1:47] Speaker 1: put in place. The best thing they could possibly do
[1:49] Speaker 1: is to create an economy with the lowest interest rates possible.
[1:53] Speaker 1: If interest rates go up again, then they will be
[1:56] Speaker 1: at the highest rates they have ever been since before
[2:02] Speaker 1: the pandemic. This is hundreds of thousands of people who
[2:07] Speaker 1: will be financially in a tougher spot, in a harder spot.
[2:12] Speaker 1: And that's where the problem of our economy means that
[2:15] Speaker 1: the dog ends up chasing its own tail and eventually
[2:18] Speaker 1: catches up to it and is just a spiral that
[2:21] Speaker 1: no one wants to be in. Warren Hogan the economist
[2:24] Speaker 1: explains this phenomenon.
[2:26] Speaker 2: I think the market interpretation is the RBA is going
[2:29] Speaker 2: to have to respond to this, whether it's in August or.
[2:32] Speaker 3: Later in the year.
[2:33] Speaker 2: This shows you that the economy is not falling into
[2:35] Speaker 2: a hole just yet. And I think the reserve banks
[2:39] Speaker 2: got itself a big problem with inflation.
[2:42] Speaker 1: But the truth is the government wants to pretend there's
[2:44] Speaker 1: nothing to see here. Remember we turned the corner before
[2:46] Speaker 1: before the last election there were going to be massive
[2:48] Speaker 1: interest rate drops during the second term. Will of course
[2:52] Speaker 1: all of that's been eroded and we're about to get
[2:54] Speaker 1: worse than we have ever been in terms of the
[2:57] Speaker 1: interest rate cycle under this particular the government. And today
[3:02] Speaker 1: we've got a bit of an insight into the Prime
[3:04] Speaker 1: Minister and the Labor Party about the organization and the
[3:07] Speaker 1: people that they care about the most, the ones of
[3:09] Speaker 1: which are their flock. You can see the excitement that
[3:12] Speaker 1: any and everyone with a connection to the Labor Party
[3:15] Speaker 1: has not about federal Parliament where they can do things
[3:17] Speaker 1: for the country, but this is about the party, the
[3:20] Speaker 1: party that is in an incredibly strong electoral position with
[3:24] Speaker 1: ninety seats in the Parliament, with relatively dominant positions in
[3:29] Speaker 1: the South Australian Parliament, the West Australian Parliament, a likelihood
[3:33] Speaker 1: of being re elected in New South Wales, giant question
[3:36] Speaker 1: marks over Victoria, and of course Queensland, where the LNP
[3:40] Speaker 1: is sitting pretty but still not by some massive margin.
[3:43] Speaker 1: That Labor is out in the cold there for some time. Tazzy, Well,
[3:46] Speaker 1: it's a world unto itself, one that I'm pleased is
[3:49] Speaker 1: still currently being run by a coalition government. But I
[3:53] Speaker 1: want to show you the contrast in the way they
[3:56] Speaker 1: behave when they don't need your vote versus when they
[3:59] Speaker 1: need your vote. At the ALP conference today, it's as
[4:02] Speaker 1: many people as possible in the room, brightly lit, all
[4:05] Speaker 1: of the banners from ceiling to floor. The rah rah
[4:09] Speaker 1: is virtually at an American level. When you see the
[4:14] Speaker 1: political drapery that they put around their own party conference,
[4:21] Speaker 1: and when the Prime Minister strides into the hall, as
[4:24] Speaker 1: he will many times over and over, the absolute joy
[4:28] Speaker 1: on the Prime Minister's face is because the dream of
[4:30] Speaker 1: anyone in the Labor Party, from the youngest of activists
[4:33] Speaker 1: to the oldest of MP's is to be sitting at
[4:35] Speaker 1: the very tippy top of the Labor throne, and you
[4:38] Speaker 1: can see how excited the Prime Minister is to be
[4:40] Speaker 1: walking in to this national conference at the absolute peak
[4:44] Speaker 1: of his Labor Party powers. Now, I want you to
[5:02] Speaker 1: remember that image. That's how they truly think of themselves.
[5:05] Speaker 1: That's how they truly feel about their party. Is that
[5:08] Speaker 1: they are at absolute max right now. And while they
[5:12] Speaker 1: would be hoping for one hundred seats in the mid nineties,
[5:15] Speaker 1: is a pretty damn strong position. Now, Yes, the opinion
[5:18] Speaker 1: polls will they tell us six out of ten people
[5:20] Speaker 1: don't like what the job the Prime Minister is doing.
[5:22] Speaker 1: But their assumption is that essentially the overall fight still
[5:25] Speaker 1: remains fifty five percent Labor forty five percent the center
[5:30] Speaker 1: right of Australian politics. But when the government needs your
[5:35] Speaker 1: vote and the Labor Party will they suddenly start to
[5:38] Speaker 1: just act a little more humble. One of the political
[5:42] Speaker 1: bits of theater that I wanted to point out is
[5:44] Speaker 1: about how they present themselves when they need your vote.
[5:47] Speaker 1: For example, this was their election launch at the most
[5:51] Speaker 1: recent one. There's a lot of people, but it's not
[5:54] Speaker 1: as many people. There's not the triumvilent banners everywhere. Yes,
[5:59] Speaker 1: there is the hand raising, but it's not as over
[6:03] Speaker 1: the top as when they are celebrating themselves. When they
[6:05] Speaker 1: are trying to get your vote. It's all a little
[6:08] Speaker 1: more muted, right, Just a note on the difference, where
[6:11] Speaker 1: they hope that you don't remember how they behave for
[6:14] Speaker 1: two and a half of the three years. They hope
[6:17] Speaker 1: that they can change the perception of themselves or the
[6:21] Speaker 1: demonizing of their opposition in that last six months, Which
[6:28] Speaker 1: brings us to the overall central problem that existed frankly
[6:32] Speaker 1: ever since the pandemic and be deviled the Liberal Party
[6:35] Speaker 1: towards the end of its run, and it has been
[6:38] Speaker 1: a relentless problem in every poll for as long as
[6:42] Speaker 1: Albanezi has been the Prime Minister. In fact, the most
[6:44] Speaker 1: recent one just this week says seventy percent of Australians
[6:47] Speaker 1: feel the country you're headed in the wrong direction. The
[6:51] Speaker 1: survey has found that pessimism in the electorate is now
[6:54] Speaker 1: at a record high. Almost half of Australians, predominantly under
[6:57] Speaker 1: the age of fifty, believe the standard of living is
[6:59] Speaker 1: worse than their appearance at a similar stage of life,
[7:04] Speaker 1: a real sense that the country is going backwards, and
[7:07] Speaker 1: as much as they would like to pretend that there's
[7:09] Speaker 1: some sort of evil systemic force. The government has been
[7:13] Speaker 1: in charge of those living standards now for one and
[7:18] Speaker 1: a bit terms. It has been around for long enough
[7:22] Speaker 1: to take the credit on the good news, but try
[7:24] Speaker 1: to pretend the bad news isn't their fault. Well again,
[7:27] Speaker 1: if you're willing to give yourself the gold staf for
[7:30] Speaker 1: what's happened in the past four years, well then you
[7:32] Speaker 1: have to cop sometimes the kick in the backside that
[7:34] Speaker 1: comes from the reality of the past four years. And
[7:40] Speaker 1: the Prime Minister was at his patronizing and gas lighting
[7:43] Speaker 1: worst today when he said that economic hardship is not imagined. Well, thanks, scoop,
[7:51] Speaker 1: We're the one's living it. But please tell us how
[7:54] Speaker 1: you notice from up on high of your chair, as
[7:57] Speaker 1: the leader of the Pride, as the leader of the country,
[7:59] Speaker 1: the boss the Labor Party, the man with the mansion
[8:02] Speaker 1: on the hill.
[8:04] Speaker 4: I understand that for many Australians right now, looking at
[8:08] Speaker 4: the future run second to the immediate precious that they
[8:12] Speaker 4: are under. The last decade has inflicted one global shock
[8:16] Speaker 4: after another, and people have been given every reason to
[8:21] Speaker 4: feel like the economy is simply not working for them.
[8:25] Speaker 4: That goes deeper than sentiment to reality people are up against.
[8:31] Speaker 1: Don't you love this? We recognize that you're feeling the problems.
[8:35] Speaker 3: Now.
[8:35] Speaker 1: Sure, these people have got almost half a dozen pay
[8:37] Speaker 1: rises since they came to power. We've talked about the
[8:41] Speaker 1: increase of the number of staff that all the politicians
[8:43] Speaker 1: get so they can make those crappy social media videos
[8:46] Speaker 1: which patronize people, treating them frankly as preschoolers. Which is
[8:50] Speaker 1: why we show it to you each and every night.
[8:52] Speaker 1: This is what they really think of you. But the
[8:56] Speaker 1: reality of the economy under Albanezi is something that we've
[8:58] Speaker 1: talked about almost every night since he became the Prime minister.
[9:03] Speaker 1: And while it's not easy under Albanez he was rejected
[9:06] Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty two election, it was an absolute
[9:09] Speaker 1: forerunner to the reality of life. Now they took about
[9:12] Speaker 1: the last decade and all these global shocks, well, there's
[9:15] Speaker 1: plenty of problems that have happened here in Australia, like
[9:19] Speaker 1: most recently, hundreds of thousands of Australians now living beyond
[9:22] Speaker 1: their means. Why because they're in mortgage dress. Why because
[9:26] Speaker 1: the interest rate level has gone up fifteen times, almost
[9:31] Speaker 1: sixteen If you had to believe the economists, and that
[9:35] Speaker 1: has caused huge problems for average Australians, regardless of how
[9:39] Speaker 1: they vote. One in six Australian households are the ones
[9:42] Speaker 1: that are admitting that they are having problems paying the
[9:45] Speaker 1: power bills that he promised would be cheaper, either with
[9:49] Speaker 1: the two hundred and seventy five dollars, which of course
[9:51] Speaker 1: was modeling and never really counted apparently, or the reality
[9:54] Speaker 1: of the transition to a brand new system, one that
[9:57] Speaker 1: if you remember those old debates I used to have
[9:59] Speaker 1: with Nicholas, I don't argue that in the end there
[10:03] Speaker 1: might be a different outcome, but the cost of getting
[10:06] Speaker 1: there is hundreds of millions of dollars. It ends up
[10:10] Speaker 1: being billions of dollars, It ends up being almost a
[10:13] Speaker 1: trillion dollars, and that gets paid for by the people
[10:17] Speaker 1: who can't afford for everything to keep getting harder. Not
[10:22] Speaker 1: to mention what seems to be the boring talking point
[10:25] Speaker 1: to this Prime Minister. Because I mention it, I suppose
[10:28] Speaker 1: he punishes the charities that constantly come forward and say
[10:32] Speaker 1: that twenty percent of Australia is in severe food insecurity.
[10:36] Speaker 1: What have I told you before? Almost four million households.
[10:39] Speaker 1: It's not people households that will run out of food
[10:41] Speaker 1: each and every week. How nice of the Prime ministers
[10:46] Speaker 1: to say that it is a reality, one that of
[10:49] Speaker 1: course he tries to spend or change or divert or deny.
[10:55] Speaker 1: And anyone in small business knows that to be the case.
[10:57] Speaker 1: Anyone who has been to the local shoppings c We'll
[11:00] Speaker 1: notice that when one shop closes, another one doesn't open
[11:03] Speaker 1: the next day. Once you get into the smaller suburban malls,
[11:09] Speaker 1: there's plenty of empty spaces, and even then, the stuff
[11:11] Speaker 1: that replaces it is kind of all those junk shops
[11:14] Speaker 1: rather than a small business trying to make its way
[11:18] Speaker 1: in the world. So thank you Prime Minister for finally
[11:21] Speaker 1: recognizing that economic hardship is a reality. For those of
[11:27] Speaker 1: us who have talked about it the whole time. For
[11:30] Speaker 1: those of us that are living it, we've known it
[11:33] Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, the Prime Minister says front and
[11:36] Speaker 1: said of the total focus of his governors to do
[11:38] Speaker 1: everything possible when it comes to cost of living. Okay,
[11:41] Speaker 1: answer me just one question, Prime minister. Why did you
[11:46] Speaker 1: increase fuel taxes again? Why will you increase fuel taxes again? Twice,
[11:54] Speaker 1: despite the fact that, yes, while the global oil shop
[11:58] Speaker 1: may not be the same, the need to save every
[12:00] Speaker 1: dollar is more profound than ever before. But of course
[12:04] Speaker 1: you're doing everything you can right Please and again, the
[12:11] Speaker 1: reality of life for a great many Australians is an
[12:16] Speaker 1: uncomfortable one. This shouldn't be a country where you feel that,
[12:19] Speaker 1: where you feel those financial pressures all the time. And
[12:22] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're a self funded retiree, if
[12:25] Speaker 1: you're a young person that's working, if you're a middle
[12:27] Speaker 1: aged person who's working. None of us feel like the
[12:30] Speaker 1: joint is going the way that it should. While the
[12:33] Speaker 1: Prime Minister wants to pretend that that somehow coded language
[12:35] Speaker 1: is all Trump's fault, the reality is is that this government,
[12:39] Speaker 1: well it claims to fix things, it does things that
[12:42] Speaker 1: are all about buying votes. The reality is, remember they
[12:46] Speaker 1: turned around and they gave and then took away some
[12:50] Speaker 1: support when it came to paying your energy bills. Sure
[12:53] Speaker 1: they'll invent a new version of spending that money again
[12:56] Speaker 1: just before the election. But remember they started off by
[13:00] Speaker 1: taking fifteen hundred dollars of assistance away. They've just found
[13:03] Speaker 1: ways to redeploy two hundred million here or five hundred
[13:07] Speaker 1: million there, but they've never really been able to turn
[13:10] Speaker 1: around and say the fifteen hundred dollars that was there
[13:12] Speaker 1: at the start is still the assistance that's there at
[13:16] Speaker 1: this moment. But there's something even more serious there probably
[13:20] Speaker 1: is beyond government, and it's about us. It's either how
[13:24] Speaker 1: we feel personally or plenty of people in our family,
[13:28] Speaker 1: let alone friendship groups are feeling. And that is the
[13:32] Speaker 1: issues in and around loneliness, in and around that sense
[13:35] Speaker 1: of despair. And while this is not as much fun
[13:39] Speaker 1: to talk about as ripping into lefties, it is a
[13:42] Speaker 1: real problem. And I know that there will be plenty
[13:45] Speaker 1: of people who are feeling this right now that are
[13:48] Speaker 1: watching us live or watching this video whenever it appears
[13:51] Speaker 1: in your feed. And so more evidence to all of
[13:54] Speaker 1: this today it comes from the turnbul times that Australia's
[13:57] Speaker 1: life dissatisfaction levels are booked as well being poverty reaches
[14:03] Speaker 1: new highs. Now, this is not because people don't have
[14:06] Speaker 1: enough cement in their diet and they don't harden up.
[14:08] Speaker 1: But here's the deal. Two point two million Australians fifteen
[14:12] Speaker 1: years and older are living below the well being poverty line,
[14:16] Speaker 1: with a share of people reporting very low life satisfaction
[14:20] Speaker 1: doubling over the last decade. In twenty twenty five, nine
[14:25] Speaker 1: point seven, or one in ten Australians rated their general
[14:29] Speaker 1: satisfaction with life at four or below out of a
[14:32] Speaker 1: rank of ten. This is from the Australian Bureau of
[14:36] Speaker 1: Statistics and their Social Survey. This number compares with one
[14:42] Speaker 1: in twenty so again essentially a doubling of the problem
[14:49] Speaker 1: since this was first looked at, well most recently looked
[14:51] Speaker 1: at in twenty fourteen. Now, the reality is is that
[15:00] Speaker 1: governments want to pretend when they're oppositions that the government
[15:03] Speaker 1: is the whole problem, and then when they eventually get
[15:06] Speaker 1: to government, they have to pretend that they are offering
[15:09] Speaker 1: the solutions, when the reality is is that there are many, many,
[15:13] Speaker 1: many many many many many many many many many inputs
[15:17] Speaker 1: that governments choose to make that see a lack of support.
[15:24] Speaker 1: We've seen that around things that were available like telehealth,
[15:28] Speaker 1: mental health support that's been cut by this government. A
[15:33] Speaker 1: little latest on, I'm going to talk about the number
[15:35] Speaker 1: of kids that are on a waiting list for a
[15:38] Speaker 1: taxpayer funded mental health support. Now, again, there will be
[15:44] Speaker 1: part of you that says, well, hang on, none of
[15:45] Speaker 1: that was there when I was a kid. In my
[15:46] Speaker 1: life was just as tough. Sure, I understand, but the
[15:48] Speaker 1: reality is the kids aren't all right. Every survey tells
[15:52] Speaker 1: us the kids aren't all right. The Kids Helpline have
[15:54] Speaker 1: more calls than ever before. And that's not because there
[15:57] Speaker 1: are a bunch of silks. It's because there is an
[16:00] Speaker 1: awful lot of pressure that exists on all of us
[16:02] Speaker 1: as individuals, us as families, and failures in the wider society.
[16:08] Speaker 1: This report description continues that, amid an explosion in support
[16:11] Speaker 1: for far right and populist politics, those reporting life satisfaction
[16:16] Speaker 1: scores of four or below are more likely to feel
[16:20] Speaker 1: alienated and disempowered by the community and express lower support
[16:24] Speaker 1: for multiculturalism. Do you like that little sting in the tale?
[16:29] Speaker 1: Only fifteen percent of people who are experiencing well being
[16:31] Speaker 1: poverty feel that they have a say on important matters
[16:35] Speaker 1: affecting their communities, against the average of thirty two percent
[16:39] Speaker 1: across all Australians. And this is where it does get
[16:42] Speaker 1: a little bit more political. Now, Winner take All is,
[16:47] Speaker 1: generally speaking, the attitude of politics. It is particularly the
[16:51] Speaker 1: attitude of the current mob of people that are in
[16:53] Speaker 1: charge of the Labor Party, you've seen the brutality in
[16:56] Speaker 1: Victoria that if you were a small business during the
[16:59] Speaker 1: COVID time, you've seen the brutality in Victoria if you
[17:04] Speaker 1: are one of the seventy percent of Australia Victorians who
[17:07] Speaker 1: believe that there should be a Royal commission into the
[17:10] Speaker 1: fifteen billion dollars worth of corruption that apparently is in
[17:15] Speaker 1: and around the Big build. But also, I would suggest
[17:20] Speaker 1: that the second part of what I just read to you,
[17:23] Speaker 1: there is also that sense too of the theme that
[17:27] Speaker 1: I've spoken about a long time, but I've certainly been
[17:30] Speaker 1: focusing on since I found that badge of the Labor Party.
[17:33] Speaker 1: Remember the old badge put Australia first, the Australian flag.
[17:36] Speaker 1: That's how Bob Hawk used to appeal as a Labor
[17:40] Speaker 1: leader during times of an election. Well, now if you
[17:45] Speaker 1: display the Australian flag, you're either a bogan or a racist.
[17:48] Speaker 1: And if you say put Australia first, then somehow you're
[17:50] Speaker 1: part of far right wing politics. If you believe that
[17:56] Speaker 1: anyone can come to the country as long as they
[17:57] Speaker 1: love the country as much as everyone else who's in
[17:59] Speaker 1: the country. Again, somehow your dog whistling in support of
[18:05] Speaker 1: monoculture as opposed to the diversity is our strength. Excuse
[18:10] Speaker 1: that is thrown up about the multiplicity of changes we've
[18:16] Speaker 1: gone in recent years, from public parades on Australia Day
[18:22] Speaker 1: to those being pushed aside and banned. A shame about
[18:27] Speaker 1: the celebration of a national day, because people who don't
[18:31] Speaker 1: want any celebration of any national day try to pretend
[18:35] Speaker 1: that the national day we focus on is too problematic,
[18:38] Speaker 1: too difficult, as if somehow the thirteenth of October would
[18:42] Speaker 1: be any better on any one of those issues, if
[18:47] Speaker 1: you are one of those that would be anywhere near
[18:50] Speaker 1: that survey that have just spoken about, Yes it's money,
[18:54] Speaker 1: Yes it's family breakdown, Yes it's cultural breakdown. But it
[19:00] Speaker 1: also is a sense of disempowerment that comes when you're
[19:05] Speaker 1: on the wrong side of a government's agenda, when they
[19:09] Speaker 1: say that having pride in what we took for granted
[19:13] Speaker 1: yesterday is a culture war. When they turn around and
[19:17] Speaker 1: change it again, You have not changed, they have changed,
[19:25] Speaker 1: and because they have changed, they turn around and say
[19:29] Speaker 1: that you and I don't understand modern Australia as it is,
[19:33] Speaker 1: as if We don't have a set of eyes to
[19:36] Speaker 1: see how buildings get bigger, cities get busier. The things
[19:43] Speaker 1: we talk about with our friends change over the years
[19:47] Speaker 1: because someone at the other end of the table is
[19:50] Speaker 1: always going to blow up if you bring up that subject.
[19:56] Speaker 1: Well being is about a lot of things. Living with
[19:59] Speaker 1: a government that you didn't vote for is difficult because
[20:03] Speaker 1: they come up with new ways every day of reminding
[20:05] Speaker 1: you why you never wanted them to be there. But
[20:08] Speaker 1: the sign of a leader is somebody who understands that
[20:11] Speaker 1: those who didn't vote for them have just as much
[20:13] Speaker 1: right to care about the direction of the country as
[20:17] Speaker 1: the majority who end up voting for them. Again, the
[20:22] Speaker 1: Prime Minister today pretending that I formally recognize your right
[20:30] Speaker 1: to feel reality about economic hardship, but then in the
[20:35] Speaker 1: same speech says that if you want to discuss any
[20:37] Speaker 1: of those cultural things that they changed, you didn't change,
[20:41] Speaker 1: you didn't vote for, you weren't asked about that, you're
[20:45] Speaker 1: somehow fighting a needless and pointless culture war. No, I
[20:51] Speaker 1: say it for the eight hundredth time tonight they changed
[20:56] Speaker 1: you didn't now again speak about that brutality that exists
[21:03] Speaker 1: when certain governments have been around for too long, Like
[21:06] Speaker 1: just Into Allen's government in Victoria. They've been around for
[21:09] Speaker 1: too long. They have filled every possible position, the deputy,
[21:13] Speaker 1: the deputy, the deputy, the deputy, the deputy, the janitor,
[21:16] Speaker 1: and the security guard with labor aligned people. It means
[21:24] Speaker 1: that the political fight is not a fair one. It
[21:28] Speaker 1: means that the titanic task of trying to unseat a
[21:33] Speaker 1: government that has got so many roots, so deep in
[21:37] Speaker 1: the ground, so far across the horizon of their location,
[21:46] Speaker 1: this time being Victoria, means we get garbage like this.
[21:50] Speaker 1: James Newbury is a Liberal MP in Victoria. He wrote
[21:55] Speaker 1: online in May of this year, TikTok, justinto Allen, Victoria
[22:01] Speaker 1: is coming for labor with baseball bats. Okay, didn't say
[22:04] Speaker 1: it in an interview, he put it out on Twitter,
[22:06] Speaker 1: and we all know what that means, which means when
[22:08] Speaker 1: the election comes, labor will be punished just as previous
[22:11] Speaker 1: ones have. But of course, because of the term baseball bats,
[22:17] Speaker 1: there's some implied violence here. Because the premiere is just
[22:22] Speaker 1: Into Allen, not Daniel Andrews, then somehow the violence takes
[22:26] Speaker 1: on a gendered nature. This was one of the independent
[22:31] Speaker 1: candidates in a recent by election when this all came out.
[22:35] Speaker 5: There is no place for the language of violence in
[22:38] Speaker 5: our politics, not from anyone, and especially not from the
[22:42] Speaker 5: person who wants to be our attorney general. And Jess Wilson,
[22:46] Speaker 5: the leader of the Opposition, has said nothing, not last night,
[22:49] Speaker 5: not this morning. Nothing. The standard you walk past is
[22:53] Speaker 5: the standard you accept. Right now, Jess Wilson is walking
[22:57] Speaker 5: past this. I'm calling on Jess Wilson to condemn the Post.
[23:02] Speaker 1: Well, I'm calling on that lady to condemn the Guardian
[23:08] Speaker 1: because they in twenty nineteen said for the Nationals, voters
[23:12] Speaker 1: and the Bush are clearly waiting with baseball bats. I'm
[23:16] Speaker 1: waiting for that person to condemn the ABC because voters
[23:23] Speaker 1: there were waiting with baseball bats. Now today a parliamentary
[23:35] Speaker 1: committee I stacked with the Labor Party have turned around
[23:40] Speaker 1: and have suggested have actually had ruled that the tweet
[23:44] Speaker 1: that you just saw, and we all know the political
[23:46] Speaker 1: metaphor that he is using about voters waiting for baseball bats,
[23:51] Speaker 1: have found him guilty. Guilty as if it's a criminal
[23:55] Speaker 1: offense of parliamentary misconduct. Now, what about this, All of
[24:01] Speaker 1: this is the idea about how they come for you.
[24:03] Speaker 1: They kill you with the process otherwise known as law fare,
[24:07] Speaker 1: which is how long the process takes, how stacked it
[24:09] Speaker 1: is against you. Following a six week process, the Commission
[24:14] Speaker 1: found that mister and you've re engaged in parliamentary misconduct
[24:18] Speaker 1: for failing to create a safe and respectful workplace because
[24:22] Speaker 1: he'd named the premiere, and that the posts were associated
[24:29] Speaker 1: with acts of violence. Remember the metaphor that was good
[24:32] Speaker 1: enough for the Guardian, that's used by the ABC. Oh,
[24:36] Speaker 1: but when it's used by somebody from the right, well
[24:40] Speaker 1: it's violent. So now it doesn't matter what the context is,
[24:43] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the reality is. They just get
[24:45] Speaker 1: to throw the word guilty, guilty, guilty around it as
[24:47] Speaker 1: if there was a crime committed here. They get to
[24:51] Speaker 1: use terms like parliamentary misconduct, making it seem like something
[24:55] Speaker 1: really dodgy happened. Newbry, in his defense during this six
[25:02] Speaker 1: week process, pointed out the political metaphor of voters taking
[25:06] Speaker 1: baseball bats to ballot boxes have been popularly used for
[25:09] Speaker 1: more than two decades, but the Commission found the posts
[25:12] Speaker 1: to be unreasonable. Quote. The Commission accepts that some readers
[25:16] Speaker 1: could interpret the language used in the post as metaphorical
[25:20] Speaker 1: expression of political opposition rather than a literal call for violence.
[25:25] Speaker 1: Six weeks this process took. Nevertheless, the Commission considers the
[25:28] Speaker 1: use of violent rhetoric creates a foreseeable risk that the
[25:32] Speaker 1: statement could be understood to be endorsing or trivializing violence.
[25:38] Speaker 1: That risk is particularly acute in an era of instantaneous
[25:42] Speaker 1: communication and broad social media reach, where the published mession
[25:45] Speaker 1: where the published message, what is intended and how it
[25:49] Speaker 1: is read does does not always align. I mean, this
[25:53] Speaker 1: is the rubbish, the thought police stuff. Now again, in
[25:57] Speaker 1: free speech, you have the right to say whatever you
[26:00] Speaker 1: want and people have a right to react to it,
[26:02] Speaker 1: But you don't have a right to say what that
[26:04] Speaker 1: person meant. It was obvious what that was about. But
[26:12] Speaker 1: they just invent a process. They lock you in it
[26:16] Speaker 1: for six weeks, they hang a cloud over your head.
[26:19] Speaker 1: They then come up with a ruling that makes it
[26:22] Speaker 1: seem like you committed a crime. In response, victoria is
[26:30] Speaker 1: so broken, says James Newbury today that labor appointed public
[26:34] Speaker 1: servants are forcing us to be courteous, to just sit
[26:39] Speaker 1: to alan and gagging us from saying labor is going
[26:42] Speaker 1: to get flogged at the November election. So let me
[26:45] Speaker 1: say it again, Victorians are waiting with baseball bats. Good
[26:48] Speaker 1: on him, and no labor appointing public servant should have
[26:53] Speaker 1: the right to tell any Victorian that they are gagged
[26:56] Speaker 1: from saying just that. Howe freaking luyah, Well done, James.
[27:02] Speaker 1: No doubt they'll come for you again, no doubt they'll
[27:05] Speaker 1: find some new way to punish you. There are just
[27:07] Speaker 1: twelve days left, by the way of the Victorian Parliamentary
[27:11] Speaker 1: sitting calendar. Watch how fast the process goes. This one
[27:14] Speaker 1: won't take sequiks. Good on him for taking a stand.
[27:18] Speaker 1: And again, a further point to underline in all this,
[27:22] Speaker 1: this is the gray corruption that the Victorian ombudsman has
[27:26] Speaker 1: talked about, that when you've been around for so long
[27:28] Speaker 1: and you've stacked everything, they become loyal to the party
[27:32] Speaker 1: of government, not work for the government I the people.
[27:37] Speaker 1: That's the reason one of but that is the reason
[27:41] Speaker 1: to change the government in Victoria in November. Whatever metaphor
[27:46] Speaker 1: you choose to wish is yours. Just vote to get
[27:49] Speaker 1: rid of them, and just quickly, I want to talk
[27:53] Speaker 1: about scamming for a second here, because there are plenty
[27:56] Speaker 1: of people who fall victim to it, and they genuinely
[28:00] Speaker 1: many of these people deserve our sympathy. Why because you
[28:03] Speaker 1: think you're doing the right thing. I'm not talking about
[28:05] Speaker 1: the person who says, hey, send us your details because
[28:07] Speaker 1: we'll send you a million dollars. No, two billion dollars
[28:12] Speaker 1: is being stolen from people. That's the reality of it.
[28:15] Speaker 1: Is somebody stealing. Now. The reality is if you get
[28:19] Speaker 1: a message saying, hey call Microsoft, don't call Microsoft, that's
[28:23] Speaker 1: a scam. If it's somebody's saying, hey call Apple, don't
[28:26] Speaker 1: do that, that's a scam. There's, in fact, an education
[28:30] Speaker 1: campaign that's kind of funny being put around by the
[28:33] Speaker 1: federal police this year.
[28:39] Speaker 6: Excuse me, mate, have I done something wrong? That's right,
[28:44] Speaker 6: Agent Index looks like he did in check whether this
[28:46] Speaker 6: link came from his real bank.
[28:48] Speaker 1: Are you fit to click? Mate?
[28:50] Speaker 6: You know, pausing to verify the link multi factor authentication
[28:55] Speaker 6: creating unique pass phrases. Look, I'm gonna let you off
[28:59] Speaker 6: at the warning time, but next time we want to
[29:02] Speaker 6: see you more click fit.
[29:03] Speaker 1: We got it. It's cute the idea that the police
[29:08] Speaker 1: offerer is warning you or giving you a warning. You
[29:11] Speaker 1: get the point, right though. But I wanted to tell
[29:13] Speaker 1: you about a new scam because AI is being used
[29:16] Speaker 1: by these evil people to try to trick you out
[29:19] Speaker 1: of your money. Now, this is a one called the
[29:23] Speaker 1: Hey Mum scam. Now, unbelievably, you now have to have
[29:26] Speaker 1: some doubt about messages that might be left on your phone.
[29:30] Speaker 1: He's Channel seven explaining how it works and if you
[29:33] Speaker 1: get a message like this, don't respond well.
[29:38] Speaker 7: The notorious high Mum scam is being taken to new
[29:40] Speaker 7: heights with scamers using AI to snag more victims. Where
[29:45] Speaker 7: being worn, fraudsters can take a ten second snippet of
[29:48] Speaker 7: someone's voice and mimick it with software, giving them the
[29:51] Speaker 7: ability to call a victim and plead for help using
[29:54] Speaker 7: the cloned voice. It is a cruel hoax. It's traditionally
[29:57] Speaker 7: relied on text messaging, tricking thousands, so.
[30:02] Speaker 1: Don't fall for this. The best way if you get
[30:05] Speaker 1: a message like that is obviously to pick up the
[30:07] Speaker 1: telephone number and call the actual person who this claims
[30:12] Speaker 1: to be coming from. Also, with these things, you've got
[30:16] Speaker 1: to have the strength to be able to ignore it
[30:18] Speaker 1: until you can actually get that conversation and contact with
[30:21] Speaker 1: your family. Now, there are all types of scams that
[30:24] Speaker 1: are around, and there's a lot of people who live
[30:28] Speaker 1: busy lives, so maybe you might click on the wrong
[30:30] Speaker 1: thing at the wrong time. Scam Watch is the website
[30:33] Speaker 1: that is run to learn more about this. Okay, ScamWatch
[30:36] Speaker 1: dot gov dot au or just google scam Watch Australia
[30:40] Speaker 1: and you'll be able to learn a little bit more
[30:41] Speaker 1: about it. Because I don't want you to fall prey
[30:43] Speaker 1: to this stuff, because these people are evil truly. All right,
[30:47] Speaker 1: quick break back with more kenan note, who do you
[30:49] Speaker 1: think is the winner and loser of the week? You
[30:51] Speaker 1: can always jump onto the Facebook page to tell us
[30:53] Speaker 1: about that. We'll also have a debate about more farmers
[30:56] Speaker 1: that are firing up, about renewable energy, that and a
[30:58] Speaker 1: whole lot more as we have a bit of fun
[31:01] Speaker 1: on a Thursday night here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks
[31:03] Speaker 1: for watching wherever you happen to be right around the
[31:05] Speaker 1: country and we'll see you in Armadale on Sunday. Thank
[31:11] Speaker 1: you so much for watching. Looking forward to Paul and
[31:14] Speaker 1: Hanson being on the show on Tuesday night in our
[31:17] Speaker 1: News twenty four studio. I'm very excited that she's going
[31:19] Speaker 1: to be there. She'll take questions from the audience physically
[31:23] Speaker 1: with us and from people around the country. We'll get
[31:25] Speaker 1: to all of that. And joining me right now in
[31:27] Speaker 1: the man cave to answer my questions because we don't
[31:30] Speaker 1: have the technology to hear what you're saying at home
[31:32] Speaker 1: yet is Ross Kadell, of course the news and whilst
[31:34] Speaker 1: Senator and the future Senator is none other than Joe Hill,
[31:37] Speaker 1: great man. Are you all right so today? Just continuing
[31:40] Speaker 1: on with my worthy themes every now and then, but
[31:42] Speaker 1: you need to do this, which is the waiting list
[31:46] Speaker 1: for kids in New South Wales to get access to
[31:49] Speaker 1: psychiatry help, publicly funded psychiatry. Help grows, grows, grows, grows
[31:55] Speaker 1: now in the same way that I have banged on
[31:57] Speaker 1: about government needs to fix potholes, they need to have
[32:00] Speaker 1: services like this when the people are in the crisis
[32:03] Speaker 1: in the moment. That's why I talk about more money
[32:05] Speaker 1: for food bankets. Why talk about more money for this stuff?
[32:08] Speaker 1: And I know there's been an ongoing dispute in and
[32:10] Speaker 1: around all of this in New South Wales, but Joe,
[32:14] Speaker 1: to me, this is one of those ones where it
[32:16] Speaker 1: is a test of the true commitment of the people
[32:18] Speaker 1: running the joint, whether they get it or not. Now.
[32:21] Speaker 1: I would prefer a system that was too generous when
[32:24] Speaker 1: it came to help than one where you have to
[32:26] Speaker 1: wait and beg for it.
[32:28] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[32:28] Speaker 8: I think what often happens with mental health is obviously
[32:30] Speaker 8: it can be incredibly complex and complicated.
[32:33] Speaker 3: People's mental health can change.
[32:35] Speaker 8: They can be high low, need help suddenly right now,
[32:39] Speaker 8: and then suddenly.
[32:40] Speaker 3: Appear perfectly normal, or appear normal.
[32:43] Speaker 8: On the outside all the time and not necessarily being
[32:45] Speaker 8: aware or honest about what's going on underneath. I was
[32:49] Speaker 8: just thinking about this. It was Maurice Yemma who was
[32:52] Speaker 8: determined to make this his great legacy, and he put
[32:55] Speaker 8: I think a couple of billion dollars into it, and
[32:58] Speaker 8: it was a really noble thing to do. And like you,
[33:00] Speaker 8: he's a very hard headed. You know he's going to
[33:03] Speaker 8: touch you feeling, won't. He's not a social justice worrier.
[33:05] Speaker 8: I can probably promise his dad, but he's a dad
[33:08] Speaker 8: and he knew that this was a problem. I just
[33:10] Speaker 8: remember thinking, I thought, we fixed this, and then I thought, Jesus,
[33:14] Speaker 8: that was twenty years ago.
[33:16] Speaker 3: That's it, isn't it. So Chris means is of course
[33:20] Speaker 3: Morrissey is one of his mentors.
[33:22] Speaker 8: I think with this, like with social housing, where you
[33:26] Speaker 8: saw the Men's government put in a record spending in
[33:28] Speaker 8: the most acute need. I think once this sort of
[33:30] Speaker 8: stuff comes to like it's the exact sort of stuff
[33:33] Speaker 8: that he would act on.
[33:34] Speaker 1: Well. Also, ROSSK, can I just say too, you know,
[33:36] Speaker 1: when you're in a position right now in federal opposition,
[33:39] Speaker 1: what I'm not just saying this is the opportunity to
[33:41] Speaker 1: promise everything to everyone, right, But when we're looking for
[33:45] Speaker 1: ways to connect beyond the obvious, a recognition of stuff
[33:50] Speaker 1: like this is important. Like I know he failed, but
[33:52] Speaker 1: essentially we got his government anyway. But remember when Bill
[33:55] Speaker 1: Shorten and Scott Morrison during the twenty nineteen they were
[33:58] Speaker 1: talking about mental health in in the Sky News forum.
[34:02] Speaker 1: It was something that may not be sexy for clickbait
[34:05] Speaker 1: and social media, but when people are looking to leaders,
[34:08] Speaker 1: they want that recognition of an understanding of this issue.
[34:12] Speaker 9: And Sunsu is a big with me. Solves a great
[34:15] Speaker 9: when they're small, and when these problems when they come
[34:17] Speaker 9: out when they're young, people getting in getting them a
[34:20] Speaker 9: great aspect on that. You know, the generalization I've been austreme.
[34:23] Speaker 9: I go as like confession without the hall, Mary's get
[34:28] Speaker 9: to do all that and it just helps, It helps unload,
[34:30] Speaker 9: It helps to really put things in perspective and if
[34:32] Speaker 9: you do that when they're young, things build up, have
[34:34] Speaker 9: a better future.
[34:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, good man.
[34:35] Speaker 1: And by the way, again, there's lots of ways that
[34:38] Speaker 1: people can help and can help each other. But also
[34:41] Speaker 1: don't be scared that sitting a group therapy is some
[34:44] Speaker 1: American thing and you're going to be crying for the
[34:45] Speaker 1: next vote. No, it's about people who have had a
[34:47] Speaker 1: similar situation or a trauma being able to share experiences
[34:50] Speaker 1: and you can become really good friends with one couple
[34:52] Speaker 1: or one person in it. That might be your way
[34:54] Speaker 1: in the texting stuff from the kids' helpline might be
[34:57] Speaker 1: the way in it. There's lots of different ways, Little Owne, Lifeline,
[34:59] Speaker 1: all the rest it. So again, I just see a
[35:01] Speaker 1: great responsibility that if you are somebody who needs this
[35:03] Speaker 1: stuff and you're watching us right now and you go, well,
[35:05] Speaker 1: when are they going to talk about meat, Well, there
[35:07] Speaker 1: we are, we're talking about you and we want you
[35:09] Speaker 1: to be able to get that help, especially for the kids.
[35:12] Speaker 3: Now.
[35:12] Speaker 1: The Energy Minister, who is a hard lefty in New
[35:15] Speaker 1: South Wales Penny Sharp you know, yeah, yeah, with the renewables,
[35:19] Speaker 1: which has also had very strong opinions about brumbies, and
[35:22] Speaker 1: we know about all of that, yet it seems to
[35:24] Speaker 1: not have too strong an opinion about koalas or endangered
[35:27] Speaker 1: trees if they're in the way of renewable energy projects.
[35:30] Speaker 9: I have an amazing surround. This couldn't believe it. So
[35:34] Speaker 9: we're going through some environmental impact statements on wind towers
[35:37] Speaker 9: and what to do, and Appendix D I the Clark's
[35:39] Speaker 9: wind Farm talks about euthanasian lunt force trauma using a
[35:42] Speaker 9: heavy metal rod or wooden stick to the base of
[35:45] Speaker 9: the skull on the back of the head for any
[35:47] Speaker 9: injured koalas if that's so successful, cervical dislocation or the capitation,
[35:51] Speaker 9: if one is comfortable to do that.
[35:53] Speaker 1: So the environmentally friendly people who say put up the
[35:56] Speaker 1: wind farm say, if the wind farm hurts an animal,
[35:59] Speaker 1: kill the animal as blood force trauma aggressively as you
[36:01] Speaker 1: can as fast a heavy.
[36:02] Speaker 9: Wooden stick or iron bar. It actually spells it out.
[36:04] Speaker 9: It's Appendix D suggests the weapons of what it does.
[36:09] Speaker 9: And then if that's not far enough, many two people,
[36:11] Speaker 9: if it's a bigger animal. It spells it out.
[36:12] Speaker 1: My goodness, I mean, Joe again, this is the blind spore.
[36:16] Speaker 1: The people who have wrapped the renewable energy stuff in
[36:21] Speaker 1: the cloak of it's all about the environment, or it's
[36:24] Speaker 1: all good for the planet, not financial transition, energy security,
[36:27] Speaker 1: all of the other potential arguments that there are. But
[36:30] Speaker 1: then when they're confronted with the reality of this right
[36:32] Speaker 1: doesn't stop them at all.
[36:34] Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean again, I think obviously, for a lot
[36:37] Speaker 8: of people, net zero is such a non negotiable ideology
[36:41] Speaker 8: that everything else kind of ceases to matter in the
[36:43] Speaker 8: face of it, because you think you're saving the planet.
[36:46] Speaker 8: I mean, obviously, I'm a pragmatist. I think the problem
[36:48] Speaker 8: is that when you are holier than now on these things,
[36:51] Speaker 8: for example, when you present yourself as Bob Brown did,
[36:54] Speaker 8: to be all about the environment and nothing can start
[36:56] Speaker 8: the environment, And then suddenly when you and to be
[36:59] Speaker 8: all a net zero and the government's never going far
[37:02] Speaker 8: enough and we've got to fill or if there's a
[37:04] Speaker 8: turbine near my place, then suddenly it's a danger to
[37:07] Speaker 8: birds or whatever it may be.
[37:08] Speaker 9: So well, it'll become of a tree rape.
[37:10] Speaker 8: That's right, I think The trick is, whenever you are
[37:12] Speaker 8: too outraged, too holier than now, and too extreme on
[37:16] Speaker 8: any position, rest assured it is always going to come
[37:19] Speaker 8: back and bite you in the ass when suddenly it
[37:21] Speaker 8: happens to you and you're on the other end of it.
[37:23] Speaker 1: Now, I can see all the polling, I can see
[37:24] Speaker 1: all of the trajectory, and I certainly know the case
[37:26] Speaker 1: for a change of government in Victoria. Am I confident
[37:28] Speaker 1: that there's going to be one? Well? No, why because
[37:31] Speaker 1: there's so many seats that need to change hands. There's
[37:34] Speaker 1: a three way contests that exist in the traditional three
[37:37] Speaker 1: orway lit alone the four way once you start to
[37:39] Speaker 1: throw in one nation of it all the scare campaign
[37:42] Speaker 1: that exists there when it comes to the left. But
[37:43] Speaker 1: one thing that I do know is that you Cinterallen
[37:45] Speaker 1: is a big part of the problem for labor in Victoria.
[37:48] Speaker 1: So will they make her walk the plank? There are
[37:51] Speaker 1: twelve days left of the parliamentary sitting. I have a
[37:54] Speaker 1: look at this today, parliamentary sitting in Victoria, meaning the
[37:56] Speaker 1: opportunity to literally either boot out or to find the replacement.
[38:01] Speaker 1: And those couple of days here, a couple of days there,
[38:04] Speaker 1: National Conference happening right now, no doubt some trade offs,
[38:06] Speaker 1: say maybe a federal seat here. Do you think she
[38:12] Speaker 1: walks the plank before Victoria gets the chance to choose.
[38:15] Speaker 8: Whether or not she sort of walks the plank, but
[38:17] Speaker 8: or it gets pushed along the plank.
[38:18] Speaker 3: I think that is what will happen.
[38:20] Speaker 8: I think there's talk obviously about a cross factional delegation.
[38:23] Speaker 8: There was another of her former supporters who jump ship
[38:27] Speaker 8: as look always back self interest. It's the only horse
[38:30] Speaker 8: you know is really trying. If you think you're going
[38:31] Speaker 8: to lose your seat, suddenly your faction doesn't matter, your
[38:34] Speaker 8: factional loyalties don't matter as much as they used to.
[38:37] Speaker 8: I think Ben Carroll will also ironically have a sort
[38:41] Speaker 8: of gun put to his head as well as says
[38:42] Speaker 8: you will run, you will, you will save the furniture,
[38:46] Speaker 8: because otherwise, you know, it could be a sort of
[38:49] Speaker 8: almost extinction level event. I mean, one Nation isn't just
[38:51] Speaker 8: coming for the Coalition, It is coming for the Labor
[38:53] Speaker 8: Party too. It already has more blue collar voters than
[38:57] Speaker 8: the Labor Party does, and that is a big structural ross.
[39:00] Speaker 1: Obviously, you'd like her too, you'd like there to be
[39:02] Speaker 1: a change what do you think?
[39:03] Speaker 9: So I'm kind love her to stay there. In the
[39:05] Speaker 9: last twenty four hours, I've seen some third party polling
[39:08] Speaker 9: from her own seat, and it is not great for her.
[39:10] Speaker 9: I don't think she'll hold it as it currently stands.
[39:12] Speaker 9: I think that looks like going. But I am certain.
[39:15] Speaker 9: I'll say here, for the first time, there's been conversations
[39:17] Speaker 9: of Lease that they're trying to find another seat for
[39:20] Speaker 9: her in Victoria. They've actually discussed it. I'm not saying
[39:22] Speaker 9: she'll go find get into the Yeah, so if she's
[39:27] Speaker 9: not walking the plank, the plank might walk on her.
[39:29] Speaker 9: I think that might be a problem for her if
[39:31] Speaker 9: he stays around.
[39:31] Speaker 8: Just such a bonkers now, I mean talk about Riche's
[39:33] Speaker 8: golden rule and politics. You never reward failure, and you've
[39:36] Speaker 8: got someone who dragged backwards through her head.
[39:44] Speaker 1: They never know that they waited fun then the defense,
[39:49] Speaker 1: then the defense. All right, winning loses the week? Ross
[39:51] Speaker 1: who stands.
[39:51] Speaker 9: Out for you when it's pistol and boo. They saw
[39:54] Speaker 9: what Barnabys view of dogs was. They got out of
[39:56] Speaker 9: the country. You're you're serious.
[39:58] Speaker 1: I loved it. I think it's the wind of the
[39:59] Speaker 1: week because again and then I think one Nation even
[40:01] Speaker 1: now selling Barnaby Joyce dog genius, genius, right, a very
[40:06] Speaker 1: clever stuff.
[40:06] Speaker 3: All right for you, Joe. I'm much more boring.
[40:09] Speaker 8: But Kate Eli so just got that alb national presidency.
[40:12] Speaker 8: I think she's very smart and it's got the good
[40:13] Speaker 8: instincts very.
[40:14] Speaker 3: Much in her own right.
[40:15] Speaker 8: She also has a good brains trusted my very good
[40:17] Speaker 8: friend Pembo, who has a fantastic.
[40:20] Speaker 1: Editorials on the Breakfast that's right, that's and has.
[40:25] Speaker 8: A great sort of way to cut through crap and
[40:28] Speaker 8: see what's really going on.
[40:29] Speaker 3: So it'll be a great stage with us.
[40:31] Speaker 1: Thank you, lads. I do appreciate it, Thank you very much.
[40:32] Speaker 1: All Right, we're not done with talking about the madness
[40:34] Speaker 1: that exists in Victoria, because there is so much of it.
[40:36] Speaker 1: We'll discuss that big build in this nonsense. He if
[40:39] Speaker 1: you say baseball, that's it. Oh, there's a major line
[40:42] Speaker 1: has been crop carb off at Mori sec here on
[40:45] Speaker 1: Paulmurray Live. And then before we've done, I've got to
[40:47] Speaker 1: show you the dumb social media posts from these people
[40:50] Speaker 1: who supposedly think they're better than you, wife, because we're
[40:52] Speaker 1: running the country. Thank you very much. For watching wherever
[40:59] Speaker 1: you happened to be. I do appreciate it. You can
[41:00] Speaker 1: always send me an email Paul at Skydnews dot com
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[41:10] Speaker 1: possibly can. Richard Ridden joins us now. He is part
[41:13] Speaker 1: of the opposition in Victoria, and he joins us now
[41:15] Speaker 1: plenty to talk about, mate, including I just started off
[41:18] Speaker 1: here by mentioning one of your colleagues. Right, he uses
[41:22] Speaker 1: the same political metaphor that is very clear, very obvious,
[41:25] Speaker 1: what baseball bats mean. And lo and behold the official
[41:29] Speaker 1: standards people. They've found him guilty. They've found him guilty
[41:33] Speaker 1: because the Commission considers the use of violent rhetoric creats
[41:36] Speaker 1: a foreseeable risk that the statement could be understood as
[41:39] Speaker 1: endorsing or trivializing violence. As a dear friend just texted me,
[41:43] Speaker 1: they will take the metaphorical baseball bats over the real
[41:45] Speaker 1: machetes any day. What do you think, Oh.
[41:49] Speaker 10: Look, Paul, couldn't agree with him more. But in the
[41:51] Speaker 10: state of Victoria, of course, as your listeners know we
[41:54] Speaker 10: have a government now that every year just wants to
[41:58] Speaker 10: keep telling Victorians how to live. Don't they like we're
[42:00] Speaker 10: now not only allowed to use age old sayings. I
[42:03] Speaker 10: guess Jacenter wants is all coming after with bowls of
[42:07] Speaker 10: daffodils or something beautiful, Perhaps a ticket out of Perhaps
[42:13] Speaker 10: we could chase her around Victoria with the ticket out
[42:15] Speaker 10: of Bendigo so she can save herself. I don't know,
[42:18] Speaker 10: but it's a pretty sad day, isn't it when we're
[42:21] Speaker 10: I mean, what do you think the cost it came
[42:23] Speaker 10: to to have a parliamentary inquiry into where they're saying
[42:27] Speaker 10: the voter's coming up with the baseball bats. Let's have
[42:30] Speaker 10: a guess. Was it one hundred thousand dollars to come
[42:32] Speaker 10: up with that solution? I don't know, something we'd like
[42:35] Speaker 10: to know what's a cost to come up with that determination?
[42:38] Speaker 10: Which then said, oh, mister Newbery, you're a terrible person.
[42:41] Speaker 10: You've made these accusations, but it's not so terrible that
[42:45] Speaker 10: we'll actually do anything about it.
[42:47] Speaker 11: I mean, this is how ridiculous it is.
[42:48] Speaker 1: And it's a process that went for six weeks. Yet,
[42:51] Speaker 1: of course, any sort of actual oversight into the CFMAU
[42:54] Speaker 1: fifteen billion dollars worth of corruption. Oh no, no, no
[42:57] Speaker 1: urgencies around dealing with that. Again, seventy percent of the
[43:01] Speaker 1: population of Victoria want accountability because that money has gone
[43:05] Speaker 1: to the wrong place and they need to know who
[43:08] Speaker 1: looked the other way or let it happen.
[43:12] Speaker 11: Well, Paul, you probably have it on the show.
[43:14] Speaker 10: We had some footage, you know, from the parliamentary budget
[43:17] Speaker 10: inquiries a couple of months ago. We had a premier
[43:20] Speaker 10: and all the senior ministers, all the senior bureaucrats saying,
[43:24] Speaker 10: oh no, we haven't looked into any of the corruption.
[43:27] Speaker 10: I said at the time I was involved in the inquiries.
[43:30] Speaker 10: Every person who drives a ute in Melbourne knows the
[43:33] Speaker 10: corruption that's been going on on our work sites.
[43:35] Speaker 11: And yet these guys haven't done it.
[43:37] Speaker 10: But magically four labor MPs or four labor sympathetic people
[43:42] Speaker 10: complained about the language.
[43:43] Speaker 11: We have.
[43:44] Speaker 10: A major inquiry goes for six weeks. I haven't seen
[43:47] Speaker 10: the report, but let's say I don't know, it'll be
[43:48] Speaker 10: twenty pages long. And we come up with mister Newby's
[43:52] Speaker 10: been mean to the premier. And yet fifteen billion dollars
[43:55] Speaker 10: goes missing and it's oh, well, no one's told me.
[43:57] Speaker 10: I've talked to someone else about it. You know, we're
[44:00] Speaker 10: putting measures in place so it never happens again. Seriously,
[44:04] Speaker 10: that's how desperate things have become in Victoria.
[44:06] Speaker 1: What do you reckon? The chances are that the government
[44:09] Speaker 1: remains obviously what you have to fight in November, but
[44:12] Speaker 1: the premiere may change at five minutes to midnight.
[44:16] Speaker 10: Well, the problem is, I mean, if they had a
[44:19] Speaker 10: Bob Hawk, you know, I think back to nineteen eighty
[44:21] Speaker 10: three sitting in the wings, a competent, skillful orator sitting
[44:26] Speaker 10: in the wings. But have you've seen some of the
[44:28] Speaker 10: people that they're trying to dish up as a second
[44:31] Speaker 10: alternative to Center. I mean, at least just Center can
[44:34] Speaker 10: stand on a feet and talk some of the gobbledygook
[44:37] Speaker 10: that comes out.
[44:38] Speaker 11: You just see poor old Carvey this week.
[44:40] Speaker 10: He's sitting there going, he was like, I think that
[44:42] Speaker 10: Bill famous Bill Short when he goes, I just think
[44:46] Speaker 10: what she thinks, you know.
[44:47] Speaker 11: I think what she thinks, and there'll be a succession
[44:50] Speaker 11: of that.
[44:50] Speaker 10: So look, from the opposition's point of view, we are
[44:53] Speaker 10: really focused on winning. Jess is doing a super job
[44:56] Speaker 10: she's just been to every seat. She'd even't been out
[44:59] Speaker 10: like you, Paul, been down here to Colak, She's been
[45:03] Speaker 10: right through the region. We're ready to govern and these
[45:06] Speaker 10: guys are fighting over which sort of person that has
[45:10] Speaker 10: never looked for corruption, never taken any responsibility, wants to
[45:14] Speaker 10: take over next.
[45:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I love Colake, beautiful part of Victoria.
[45:19] Speaker 1: Always fun and thanks for the shout out. Yeah, amadal
[45:22] Speaker 1: this weekend in New South Wales. But again, the task
[45:25] Speaker 1: that is ahead and we know all of the dirty
[45:27] Speaker 1: tricks that are going to be played, all the distractions,
[45:30] Speaker 1: all of the well when you get this one, you
[45:31] Speaker 1: get that one, and there's sort of it'll be, you know,
[45:33] Speaker 1: an army of straw men that you're coming up against.
[45:37] Speaker 1: But the reality is that you've got a pretty big
[45:39] Speaker 1: mountain to climb in terms of the number of seats.
[45:41] Speaker 1: All right, the great hope would be that you're going
[45:43] Speaker 1: to get there. But as somebody who knows the inside
[45:46] Speaker 1: of the operation, are you confident about how much fit
[45:49] Speaker 1: it is? Are you confident that it's got you know? Again,
[45:52] Speaker 1: I'll continue with the metaphors here. There's a new tip
[45:54] Speaker 1: of the spear. There's a new way to try to
[45:57] Speaker 1: achieve what has not been able to be achieved in
[45:59] Speaker 1: the past.
[46:00] Speaker 11: Well, look, yes I do, Paul, absolutely.
[46:03] Speaker 10: I mean Jesse is trailblazing out there with a new
[46:06] Speaker 10: approach to campaigning, something the Liberal Party quite frankly, had
[46:09] Speaker 10: been a bit slow to the party on in over
[46:12] Speaker 10: the last decade. And that's really engaging well with people
[46:15] Speaker 10: on social media for example. So we're out there leading
[46:19] Speaker 10: the charge on that. We're really making the government look tired.
[46:22] Speaker 10: I spent tonight with one of my other colleagues. It's
[46:24] Speaker 10: probably known to many of your listeners, Nicole Werner. Now, Nicole,
[46:28] Speaker 10: we had a packed We publicly advertised the meeting here
[46:31] Speaker 10: in collect We had packed our crowd. People just came
[46:34] Speaker 10: to learn about how the political messaging works in this
[46:37] Speaker 10: day and age. And look, the feedback was awesome. And
[46:41] Speaker 10: I think we are match ready. And what we're contrasting
[46:44] Speaker 10: greatly is we're able to start again, Like Victorians know,
[46:47] Speaker 10: we want to start again, and the government is going
[46:49] Speaker 10: to wheel out all these scare campaigns. I mean, seriously,
[46:52] Speaker 10: the Victorians really think a liberal, a liberal national government
[46:57] Speaker 10: that had to work with one nation is any scarier
[47:01] Speaker 10: than a Labor Greens coalition that has brought devastation on Victoria.
[47:05] Speaker 10: It's brought corruption, it's bought in fifty sixty new taxes,
[47:09] Speaker 10: it's brought changes to the way we live. It's covered
[47:13] Speaker 10: our landscape in batteries and payer lines and all sorts.
[47:17] Speaker 11: Of stuff without any regulation.
[47:19] Speaker 10: Does anyone seriously want to stand up and argue I'll
[47:22] Speaker 10: go toe to toe with them any day of the
[47:23] Speaker 10: week that I moved to the center and the right
[47:27] Speaker 10: is not a better outcome for Victoria.
[47:29] Speaker 11: I mean this carry on that Labor, this fa outrage.
[47:33] Speaker 10: I mean Labour's sitting there being in bed with the
[47:35] Speaker 10: Greens for the last twelve years. If they're brought in
[47:37] Speaker 10: devastation on so many elements of the Victorian community, and
[47:42] Speaker 10: they think people are going to be scared.
[47:43] Speaker 11: With what we might do.
[47:44] Speaker 10: What at a load of rubbish quite frankly, and got
[47:48] Speaker 10: we've got a gun team and it'll be a liberal
[47:51] Speaker 10: national opportunity here for Victoria to really change things up.
[47:54] Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely all right, Nice to talk to you, mate,
[47:56] Speaker 1: look forward to talking many times between now and the
[47:58] Speaker 1: next election. And obviously a said Dave, many Victorians again,
[48:00] Speaker 1: I'm not one, but I love you tomorrow of course
[48:03] Speaker 1: when the Comwealth Games start, the ones that should have
[48:04] Speaker 1: been in Victoria, but of course you have had to
[48:08] Speaker 1: pay for them to be in Scotland. That's it. Go Australia.
[48:11] Speaker 1: And hey, big news tonight is that Ginna Reinhardt is
[48:13] Speaker 1: going to be putting like twenty thousand dollars for anyone
[48:16] Speaker 1: of the swimmers who ends up winning a gold medal,
[48:18] Speaker 1: and also thousands of dollars for anyone on silver and bronze.
[48:21] Speaker 1: Awesome stuff, good stuff, And that is of course night
[48:24] Speaker 1: one in the competition. Hey, before we go, have you
[48:30] Speaker 1: ever heard of a term called instant calm. It's when
[48:33] Speaker 1: you immediately get a slap from the universe when you
[48:35] Speaker 1: do something stupid. Look what happens to a woman who
[48:38] Speaker 1: yelled out wanka to Nigel Farage just seconds ago in
[48:42] Speaker 1: the UK. Send a couple, Just send a couple of
[48:45] Speaker 1: people over instant Carmago Tigers, Go Yankees. See you Sunday
[48:53] Speaker 1: at Armadale

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