# Paul Murray Live | 3 August

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 3 Aug 2026, 49 min.

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MP claims state's residents actually like potholes, Pauline Hanson announces her team ready to take on Labor in November. Plus, Australia's most comprehensive national snapshot just days away. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you Sharry Gooday, and
[0:08] Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching this evening. Welcome to
[0:09] Speaker 1: the man Cat. A lot of work to do tonight
[0:12] Speaker 1: in here, A lot of work to do in here tonight.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Got a couple of special guests coming up, including the
[0:16] Speaker 1: brand new leader for One Nation in Victoria. Well he
[0:19] Speaker 1: will talk about his plan for the stat as to
[0:22] Speaker 1: why he is running big day for them today. Also
[0:24] Speaker 1: cos Samarus from Redbridge will take us through a brand
[0:27] Speaker 1: new poll in Victoria that shows us just who is
[0:30] Speaker 1: in the box seat to win this upcoming election. And
[0:33] Speaker 1: of course what has been happening on the federal scene
[0:35] Speaker 1: as well. That's just us getting started. And of course
[0:37] Speaker 1: no Sook's no lefties when it comes to our debate
[0:39] Speaker 1: this evening. But first, three quick things that aren't that important,
[0:43] Speaker 1: but I just wanted to start with something different tonight
[0:46] Speaker 1: and tell you about three little things that I found
[0:49] Speaker 1: mildly amusing today. Now, kids on those e scooters. I
[0:54] Speaker 1: hear so many people complaining about them, but in Queens
[0:57] Speaker 1: and particular, you can n them as a tourist. I've
[1:01] Speaker 1: done it plenty of times, so I don't layer about
[1:03] Speaker 1: and carry on like a silly person. But e by
[1:06] Speaker 1: X scoot is it's a bit of a problem. And
[1:08] Speaker 1: today police in between Brisbane I should say, we're holding
[1:12] Speaker 1: a press conference talking about how they're going to crack
[1:14] Speaker 1: down on all of this stuff. Well guess what ended
[1:18] Speaker 1: up happening as they were making this statement today three
[1:22] Speaker 1: kids were mucking around on anees scooter and they got
[1:25] Speaker 1: caught and they got caught on camera. Talk about bad place,
[1:29] Speaker 1: bad time, without a helmet and without a care.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Until now teens scooting past a police press conference walking
[1:39] Speaker 2: away five hundred dollars lighter.
[1:41] Speaker 1: That'll be all accountable there. It happened on Saturday, But
[1:44] Speaker 1: still have pond it amusing right. Another thing to tell
[1:46] Speaker 1: you in New Zealand they've got something absolutely right and
[1:50] Speaker 1: we should be doing it here in Australia, a law
[1:54] Speaker 1: has just come into phase where the Prime Minister, Christopher
[1:58] Speaker 1: Luxen is not in a majority in government. Instead he's
[2:01] Speaker 1: propped up by the Action Party and also New Zealand First.
[2:05] Speaker 1: And because those parties are a little closer to a
[2:08] Speaker 1: one nation, well the UNI Party has to actually do
[2:11] Speaker 1: something different. And guess what New Zealand has just passed
[2:14] Speaker 1: That English is the official language of New Zealand, something
[2:18] Speaker 1: that does not exist here in Australia. One of the
[2:21] Speaker 1: mpieces responsible for it, Will is pushed back against some
[2:24] Speaker 1: of the inevitable lefty criticism that, oh, this is completely unnecessary.
[2:28] Speaker 1: Mahri is the official language. No it isn't. It's English
[2:31] Speaker 1: of New Zealand. This is a practical measure. It aligns
[2:34] Speaker 1: the Statute Book with a long standing practice and provides
[2:36] Speaker 1: clear statement about the status of English with the New
[2:39] Speaker 1: Zealand's official framework, which means signs must be in English.
[2:44] Speaker 1: You can add whatever you want underneath it. You can
[2:45] Speaker 1: have it in Marie, you can have it in Cantonese,
[2:47] Speaker 1: but I have to be in English. What a crazy idea.
[2:52] Speaker 1: Now again, that's not about monoculturalism. That is about one
[2:56] Speaker 1: of the flaws of multiculturalism. That there are some parts
[2:59] Speaker 1: of all of the cities here in Australia where you
[3:01] Speaker 1: could walk down a street and not see a sign
[3:03] Speaker 1: in English and find fair enough if that's how locals
[3:06] Speaker 1: are able to work out where to shop, but people
[3:08] Speaker 1: that are visitors to the area should also be able
[3:11] Speaker 1: to know, so more signs in English. Good idea. Third
[3:15] Speaker 1: and final the Victorian Labor Party we know has a
[3:19] Speaker 1: death wish. Wait till you see this opinion poll that's
[3:22] Speaker 1: just dropped tonight about just how bad their position is
[3:24] Speaker 1: right now. And while the new premier is out there
[3:27] Speaker 1: on a charm offensive and he's telling us everything he
[3:30] Speaker 1: won't do, and who's not as opposed to what he's doing.
[3:33] Speaker 1: One of the issues that helped bring about a new
[3:35] Speaker 1: premier was the disgrace of the roads in Victoria. A
[3:39] Speaker 1: pothole here, a pothole there, a pothole ever reware and
[3:42] Speaker 1: as I've said before, it is symptomatic if you can't
[3:44] Speaker 1: fix a freaking pothole. I don't trust you when it
[3:46] Speaker 1: comes to the schools. I don't trust you when it
[3:49] Speaker 1: comes to education. I don't trust you when it comes
[3:52] Speaker 1: to law and order, let alone anything else. Well you
[3:56] Speaker 1: may have seen this on social media over the weekend,
[3:58] Speaker 1: but a Labor MP fund away in Parliament that potholes
[4:03] Speaker 1: are a good thing, that potholes are actually preferred by residents.
[4:08] Speaker 1: This was a serious contribution in the Victorian Parliament.
[4:12] Speaker 3: Take it away, mate, residents who don't want it reseal
[4:16] Speaker 3: because they don't like traffic going down.
[4:18] Speaker 4: So they're quite happy to have it full potholes.
[4:20] Speaker 5: Might I add, so not everyone's on board with your
[4:22] Speaker 5: pothole thing.
[4:23] Speaker 1: They actually like it full of potholes. Yes, actually it is.
[4:29] Speaker 1: What now Her suggestion is that some people like the
[4:33] Speaker 1: potholes because it means people who don't live in the
[4:35] Speaker 1: street don't use it as a rat run to get
[4:37] Speaker 1: around the awful traffic that exists in the ever growing
[4:40] Speaker 1: city of Melbourne. Well, I'm sorry, sonya. Whether you live
[4:44] Speaker 1: in the street or not live in the street, you
[4:45] Speaker 1: have a right to be able to drive anywhere you want.
[4:50] Speaker 1: The idea that the poor DearS don't want the surface
[4:53] Speaker 1: redone is immaterial. Every road in Australia should be world class,
[5:00] Speaker 1: not a rat run, not potholes. And if that's not
[5:03] Speaker 1: good enough, think about the poor people who have to
[5:05] Speaker 1: deliver things to you. When you click, click and click,
[5:08] Speaker 1: you see they don't walk from the local pizza shop.
[5:12] Speaker 1: They don't even walk from the local makers. They don't
[5:15] Speaker 1: walk from the local Bunnings or wherever else it is
[5:18] Speaker 1: that you get home delivered. They go on the street
[5:20] Speaker 1: and they deserve not to ruin their bikes or cars
[5:24] Speaker 1: while delivering things. Three things that I just wanted to
[5:27] Speaker 1: mention off the start of the show because they weren't
[5:29] Speaker 1: what everyone else was talking about. Now to that opinion
[5:34] Speaker 1: poll that has just been dropped by the Red Bridge
[5:36] Speaker 1: organization via the financial Review, we'll talk about it with
[5:40] Speaker 1: Coos Samarus in a moment or two's time. And guess what.
[5:43] Speaker 1: The coalition is now in a much stronger position than
[5:47] Speaker 1: the last time they polled in Victoria. Labour is now
[5:50] Speaker 1: down to just twenty three percent primary vote. I was
[5:54] Speaker 1: talking to Cos Samaras just before the show again we'll
[5:56] Speaker 1: talk to him on the air in a moment or
[5:57] Speaker 1: two's time, as you can see on camera, and he
[6:00] Speaker 1: was telling me that part of this poll was done
[6:02] Speaker 1: in and around that week of leadership change last week.
[6:04] Speaker 1: So either this could be absolute rock bottom for Labor,
[6:08] Speaker 1: but it is an absolute wipeout scenario. In fact, if
[6:11] Speaker 1: you do the MAT's pretty simply here. You take Labor,
[6:14] Speaker 1: you take the Greens, you take other it only gets
[6:17] Speaker 1: them to the high forties, it doesn't get them over
[6:20] Speaker 1: the fifty percent. The Coalition and One Nation alone would
[6:24] Speaker 1: be able to get together when it comes to preferences
[6:27] Speaker 1: and get them to basically fifty two forty eight. In
[6:30] Speaker 1: some estimates it is now fifty three forty seven. It's
[6:33] Speaker 1: just a poll. One nation at twenty two percent would
[6:36] Speaker 1: be able to easily win a spot in each of
[6:39] Speaker 1: the regions in the Upper House and that is well
[6:42] Speaker 1: and truly a major change coming to Victorian politics. But
[6:46] Speaker 1: of course another pole was one worth talking about. It's
[6:49] Speaker 1: the one that we mentioned to you first last night,
[6:51] Speaker 1: which again was the red Bridge Pole. And the reason
[6:53] Speaker 1: I'll show you that poll is because it was bang
[6:55] Speaker 1: on at the last election, as was the Yugov and
[6:59] Speaker 1: News twenty four pulse poll. They were both bang on.
[7:02] Speaker 1: That's why I show you both of those. I show
[7:04] Speaker 1: you the Essential because it comes from the Guardian. That's
[7:06] Speaker 1: the information the left is getting. I show you other
[7:09] Speaker 1: poles like Morgan because it bounces around each and every week.
[7:12] Speaker 1: And of course they show you are the ones because
[7:14] Speaker 1: they come from other media organizations and sometimes you just
[7:18] Speaker 1: need to pick a marker, and there are lots of
[7:20] Speaker 1: markers out there. But the media, well it had to
[7:23] Speaker 1: swallow a headline today that they weren't all that excited about.
[7:29] Speaker 4: One Nation has once again pulled ahead of Labor according
[7:32] Speaker 4: to a new Redbridge.
[7:33] Speaker 6: Pole One Nation is back on top in the latest
[7:36] Speaker 6: federal pole.
[7:37] Speaker 1: But hang on, I thought the past month was a
[7:39] Speaker 1: disaster for One Nation.
[7:43] Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson has been accused of smearing Muslim Australians by
[7:47] Speaker 3: claiming they come here to exploit the NDIS. The One
[7:51] Speaker 3: Nation leader has been in London catching up with her
[7:54] Speaker 3: long term Admira, the British anti Islam agitator Tommy Robinson.
[8:00] Speaker 1: It was a meeting of the minds and conspiracy theories,
[8:03] Speaker 1: most of them hostile to immigrants and to Muslims in particular.
[8:07] Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen's explanation of monoculture has a little fire under
[8:11] Speaker 1: the Albanese government. Pauline Hanson has told a major conservative
[8:14] Speaker 1: conference in the UK that Australians are stupid for not
[8:17] Speaker 1: banning the burker and for allowing transgender athletes to play
[8:21] Speaker 1: in women's sport. Pauline Hansen has today launched a fierce
[8:24] Speaker 1: defense of her relationship with Gina Reinhardt, while pushing back
[8:28] Speaker 1: against accusations she supports a wide Australia. Now, most of
[8:33] Speaker 1: those things were the lead stories. Remember the lead story
[8:37] Speaker 1: of man yells at dog. Well, according to this poll,
[8:40] Speaker 1: people are fine with what was being put out there
[8:42] Speaker 1: because their votes you shouldn't go up lay an hour
[8:44] Speaker 1: in front of the coalition, in front of Labor and
[8:46] Speaker 1: the number one political party in the country. Will that
[8:49] Speaker 1: change in a month's time probably? Will the change back
[8:52] Speaker 1: positively a month after that? Yeah? Probably. But a conversation
[8:55] Speaker 1: again with having with Cause, is about just how much
[8:57] Speaker 1: of that thirty percent is now to be locked away
[9:00] Speaker 1: as the one nation floor. Their ceiling of course, will
[9:03] Speaker 1: come and go between now and the election meantime. Can
[9:07] Speaker 1: the protesters keep turning up to the events that one
[9:10] Speaker 1: nation has because guess what, you're not helping your cause,
[9:15] Speaker 1: You're helping the cause of everyone who understands why we
[9:18] Speaker 1: need a change of government in Victoria and why particularly
[9:21] Speaker 1: many people are going to vote one nation. These lunatics
[9:24] Speaker 1: think they're on the right side of history. I'll tell
[9:26] Speaker 1: you what all they're going to do is push up
[9:29] Speaker 1: the one nation vote. Same okay, Another thing in one
[9:42] Speaker 1: nation world today, James Ashby, well known to you all
[9:44] Speaker 1: as a guest on this program and frequently across our network,
[9:47] Speaker 1: is now the official party director. Now this is a
[9:50] Speaker 1: really big move because he's gone from being Pauline Hansen's
[9:52] Speaker 1: chief of staff, a former Morrison staffer, is about to
[9:54] Speaker 1: become that. But now he's going to be even more
[9:57] Speaker 1: involved in the big picture of things. He of course
[9:59] Speaker 1: has been an absolute champion when it comes to things
[10:02] Speaker 1: like creating the cartoon, their social media push, all the
[10:05] Speaker 1: rest of it. They've got money behind them and they've
[10:07] Speaker 1: got big brains in the operation. This is why this
[10:10] Speaker 1: ain't no fluke and that's why James Ashby was on
[10:13] Speaker 1: with Peter Kredlin speaking of big brains earlier tonight.
[10:17] Speaker 6: I foresaw exactly what part of the media we're going
[10:21] Speaker 6: to go down, and that was that we haven't had
[10:23] Speaker 6: people with you one nation with government experience other than
[10:26] Speaker 6: Barnaby Joyce. And so two months ago we said about
[10:31] Speaker 6: tasking ourselves to find somebody with government experience and somebody
[10:35] Speaker 6: who was going to take the party forward. I might
[10:37] Speaker 6: just add, Peter, this is not the only get we've
[10:40] Speaker 6: got being announced in the next couple of weeks. We've
[10:43] Speaker 6: got more, and I've kept this under wraps for quite
[10:47] Speaker 6: some time. Chris Taylor, a great former Liberal operative within
[10:52] Speaker 6: the Prime Minister's office, but also too, we've got a
[10:55] Speaker 6: new announcement which will make in the coming week of
[10:58] Speaker 6: a former Labor member who has joined our ranks, because
[11:02] Speaker 6: quite simply, they've had a gupful of labor as well.
[11:05] Speaker 1: Congratulations James, more strength your arm and love you as always, Peter,
[11:09] Speaker 1: make sure you check in with her at six o'clock
[11:11] Speaker 1: every evening, straight after of course, the great Chris Kenny before,
[11:14] Speaker 1: the wonderful Andrew Bolt, the delightful Sharring Marks and Us,
[11:17] Speaker 1: the Late Debate, and the beautiful reader panning the Persian Princess.
[11:20] Speaker 1: We've got your set all night long here on News
[11:22] Speaker 1: twenty four. So the story everyone has told you tonight
[11:25] Speaker 1: is that there is a brand new crop of people
[11:27] Speaker 1: that will be running for the Victorian Parliament, most of
[11:31] Speaker 1: them in the Upper House.
[11:33] Speaker 3: One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has unveiled her Victorian team
[11:37] Speaker 3: ahead of the state election. One Nation is eyeing off
[11:39] Speaker 3: a big win in Victoria as the party reveals candidates
[11:43] Speaker 3: for the November state election, and.
[11:46] Speaker 1: Sitting at twenty two percent in the polls. Again, that
[11:48] Speaker 1: would give them basically a seat in every part of
[11:52] Speaker 1: the places the districts that exist in the Upper House.
[11:55] Speaker 1: I've already got one there in Ricky Lee Tyrrell. That's
[11:56] Speaker 1: her with the dark hair, standing next to Pauline Hanson,
[11:59] Speaker 1: who seemed pretty happy to.
[12:02] Speaker 5: It's very important to each and every one of us
[12:04] Speaker 5: and those people that have put up the hands to
[12:06] Speaker 5: represent one nation in the Victorian State elections. Victorians I
[12:11] Speaker 5: constantly hear from, whether it's here in Victoria or whether
[12:15] Speaker 5: it's overseas, doesn't maanter where I go, whether it's queens
[12:19] Speaker 5: and news, the trials, they're all saying that Victoria is
[12:24] Speaker 5: an absolute mess.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Now later tonight, I too will be meeting the new leader,
[12:30] Speaker 1: and that is Warren Pickering. He's running as currently the
[12:33] Speaker 1: only Lower House candidate. He's to be running for the
[12:36] Speaker 1: seat of Packingham, which is in and around the EAPs
[12:38] Speaker 1: East Gippsland area. He is based in Warrigal. I believe
[12:43] Speaker 1: it is. He is a former Brickie. He's been in
[12:46] Speaker 1: the Australian Army, where he's gone overseas and done much
[12:50] Speaker 1: a domestic humanitarian and disaster relief according to his biography.
[12:53] Speaker 1: He's also a single father of a teenage daughter. Will
[12:56] Speaker 1: talk to him about his plans for the state. In fact,
[12:59] Speaker 1: this was him at the press conference today about why
[13:01] Speaker 1: he's stepping up and in the fight the leader of
[13:04] Speaker 1: one nation in Victoria.
[13:06] Speaker 7: It's not lost on Usk the gravity of this undertaking
[13:09] Speaker 7: in Victoria. It's really not. As the Boss alluded to,
[13:12] Speaker 7: we are on the precipice of social and economic collapse,
[13:14] Speaker 7: and anybody who doesn't believe that is simply not paying attention.
[13:18] Speaker 7: As starts where you've engaged in a concervative effort to
[13:21] Speaker 7: cultivate talent from within the community. We are of the
[13:24] Speaker 7: firm belief that it's politicians have got us into this mess,
[13:27] Speaker 7: and we're sure as how we're not going to leave
[13:28] Speaker 7: it to politicians to get us out now.
[13:30] Speaker 1: Again today the announcement was not just about Warren as
[13:33] Speaker 1: the single person in the lower House and their leader,
[13:35] Speaker 1: but a lot of people in the upper House as well.
[13:38] Speaker 1: Again there said WICKI lee till she's already there. She's
[13:40] Speaker 1: going around hopefully for another term. There's a couple of
[13:42] Speaker 1: other people that have joined her. But can I say
[13:44] Speaker 1: well done to this bloke. Because Mark Nicholson is a
[13:47] Speaker 1: man who's got a set of stones. He is the
[13:49] Speaker 1: brains and the voice behind all the characters in the cartoons.
[13:53] Speaker 1: He's a former lawyer he's a great family man. Again
[13:55] Speaker 1: reading from his bio off the website, he was even
[13:57] Speaker 1: a criminal lawyer at one point. He's a small business owner.
[14:00] Speaker 1: But this bloke is fearless. This bloke is fearless. He
[14:04] Speaker 1: is an absolute asset to the party and he'll be
[14:07] Speaker 1: fantastic in Victorian politics. I know you see him regularly
[14:10] Speaker 1: with Chris Kenny. I can't wait for him to take
[14:13] Speaker 1: his spot inside the Victorian Parliament. But he wasn't on
[14:17] Speaker 1: with Chris today. Instead he was on the mate Andrew Boll.
[14:20] Speaker 2: I've experienced what it's like to have government pushing down
[14:24] Speaker 2: on and stopping you from employing people and growing.
[14:26] Speaker 1: I've had screen Australia.
[14:28] Speaker 2: I've had institutions trying to tell me that this industry is.
[14:31] Speaker 1: Not for me.
[14:32] Speaker 2: And then of course I found my home with one nation.
[14:35] Speaker 2: But really what's enlightened is that I've seen that these
[14:39] Speaker 2: are real people. Paul Enhanson is the real deal and
[14:43] Speaker 2: every decision she makes is in the best interest in Australia.
[14:46] Speaker 1: That's the most important policy of all and this is
[14:49] Speaker 1: the most frightening thing for the left. This bloke, of course,
[14:52] Speaker 1: is at the upper end of the millennial world well
[14:54] Speaker 1: and truly a world X of generation ex voters, next
[14:58] Speaker 1: generation representation and will for that political movement. As for
[15:03] Speaker 1: the other people that are on the list again, you
[15:04] Speaker 1: can meet them in the many months between now and
[15:07] Speaker 1: the election. Rigularly Tyrrell going back around. She's the incumbent.
[15:11] Speaker 1: Colleen Harken is an education expert. Fiona Lopez human resources manager.
[15:16] Speaker 1: Chris Burston is a geelong counselor and former copper. Aaron
[15:19] Speaker 1: Sandford is a lawyer that Natalie Adams is an office manager.
[15:24] Speaker 1: You will learn about them more. Warren Pickering on the
[15:27] Speaker 1: program this evening and Cos Samaris at a moment or
[15:31] Speaker 1: two to talk about the state of play both at
[15:33] Speaker 1: the Victorian and federal level. Big night for those who
[15:36] Speaker 1: care about politics and how it really happens. Stick with
[15:39] Speaker 1: us now it's been other Prime Minister thinks he's the
[15:42] Speaker 1: greatest of all time, and he's not had a day
[15:45] Speaker 1: off all this year, so of course he's taken a
[15:47] Speaker 1: week off. Bugger, garma, buger. Cost of living petrol of
[15:50] Speaker 1: course has gone back up overnight, but he doesn't care
[15:53] Speaker 1: because he doesn't pay for petrol. Hasn't well for the
[15:56] Speaker 1: best part of thirty years. Why because he's had a
[15:57] Speaker 1: fuel card paid for by you and I. He sits
[16:00] Speaker 1: in the backseat of a limousine unlike you and I.
[16:03] Speaker 1: But one thing you need to know is that the
[16:06] Speaker 1: value of your house has gone down. It is going
[16:10] Speaker 1: down as we speak now. Again. The theory about this
[16:14] Speaker 1: is cheaper homes a better for people who haven't got
[16:16] Speaker 1: one yet. I'll explain why that is a myth as well.
[16:21] Speaker 1: But we now know that the market is falling, not crashing.
[16:24] Speaker 1: I'm not going to say crash. That's over ten percent.
[16:26] Speaker 1: Correction is over ten percent, but we're well or truly
[16:28] Speaker 1: on our way to a correction. There are those websites
[16:31] Speaker 1: where you can put in the value of your house
[16:32] Speaker 1: and have a look at how it has gone. It
[16:34] Speaker 1: has gone well and truly down since this government turned
[16:38] Speaker 1: lies into law and changed all of those things. When
[16:41] Speaker 1: it comes to the budget, and of course their failure
[16:44] Speaker 1: to deal with inflation means interest rates have gone up
[16:46] Speaker 1: once twice, seven, ten, twelve, fifteen times on their watch,
[16:53] Speaker 1: meaning right now rates are as bad as they were
[16:56] Speaker 1: in the worst political year for the government twenty twenty four.
[17:00] Speaker 1: So we are right back where they started. So all
[17:04] Speaker 1: of this apparently was about first home buyers and first
[17:06] Speaker 1: home buyers being able to get into the scheme. Well,
[17:10] Speaker 1: the five percent deposit scheme, which I have no problem with,
[17:13] Speaker 1: believe it or not, according to research, just makes it
[17:17] Speaker 1: harder for people on low incomes to be able to
[17:21] Speaker 1: buy a property. Hang on, and the five percent deposit scheme, well,
[17:26] Speaker 1: there's no limit on who can apply for it. So
[17:28] Speaker 1: what about this one? High earners are flooding the zone
[17:32] Speaker 1: now they should theoretically be able to save ten percent
[17:35] Speaker 1: per deposit, but taxpayers are underwriting couples who make up
[17:38] Speaker 1: to six hundred and seventy five thousand dollars a year
[17:41] Speaker 1: under the scheme because there's no means testing. New figures
[17:45] Speaker 1: have shown that more than thirty five percent of first
[17:48] Speaker 1: home buyer guarantees granted under labor removed income caps went
[17:52] Speaker 1: to households that would have previously been ineligible. About ten
[17:57] Speaker 1: percent of the seventeen thousand individuals who've received the five
[18:00] Speaker 1: percent deposit guarantees since October last year earning over one
[18:05] Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thousand dollars per annum. They are in
[18:07] Speaker 1: the top tax bracket. Why, because it is all about
[18:12] Speaker 1: the triangle of dependence. The reason the government wants as
[18:16] Speaker 1: many people to be reliant or thankful to the government
[18:19] Speaker 1: means they get more votes. It's not an accident, it's
[18:24] Speaker 1: by design and it is happening before our eyes. But again,
[18:29] Speaker 1: what about those people who supposedly all of these intergenerational
[18:33] Speaker 1: changes happen all of the justification for the lies that
[18:36] Speaker 1: have now become law. Well, of course it's about helping
[18:40] Speaker 1: poorer people being able to get onto the property ladder.
[18:43] Speaker 1: Well have just shown you. Research, even reported in the
[18:46] Speaker 1: freaking Guardian, shows that that is not actually taking place.
[18:50] Speaker 1: The scheme is currently being taken advantage of by people
[18:54] Speaker 1: who theoretically would not actually qualify it if there was
[18:57] Speaker 1: an upper limit on the number of people who could
[18:58] Speaker 1: actually get access to that scheme. But as I have
[19:02] Speaker 1: said the whole way through this, the single biggest problem
[19:05] Speaker 1: for people to buy a house in Australia, regardless of
[19:07] Speaker 1: how old or young you are, is the deposit required
[19:10] Speaker 1: to buy the house be at five percent, be at
[19:14] Speaker 1: ten percent, let alone the stamp duty. Because of course
[19:17] Speaker 1: for all the first time buyers great, but the people
[19:19] Speaker 1: who've moved from the one bedroom or studio apartment after
[19:22] Speaker 1: they have a partner, maybe have kids, maybe have their
[19:26] Speaker 1: parents move in with them, no such detail. So of
[19:29] Speaker 1: course ten percent deposit plus ten percent on stamp duty
[19:32] Speaker 1: you've got to save for that. Well, how long does
[19:35] Speaker 1: it take someone to save for that? I had to
[19:38] Speaker 1: look at today and according to one of the financial
[19:41] Speaker 1: institutions is the Police Bank, but it's essentially what used
[19:45] Speaker 1: to be a credit union. So this is the information
[19:47] Speaker 1: they've got out there. If you're a saving couple, it'll
[19:49] Speaker 1: take half the time it takes to save if you
[19:52] Speaker 1: are single. Obviously, according to the latest nationwide Domain First
[19:57] Speaker 1: home Buyers Report, the first home buyers couples in Sydney
[19:59] Speaker 1: take ran six years and eight months to save one
[20:03] Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen thousand dollars or a twenty percent deposit.
[20:08] Speaker 1: So okay, what three years and four months? These, of
[20:13] Speaker 1: course were studies done before the interest rate rises. Single savers,
[20:18] Speaker 1: it'll take you thirteen years or again, let's have it.
[20:22] Speaker 1: Let's be generous and say six and a half. Oh yeah, albo,
[20:26] Speaker 1: he's the winner, isn't he? He wins every time because
[20:29] Speaker 1: what's the changes for the budget. It was not about
[20:32] Speaker 1: intergenerational equity, it was about saving their backside when it
[20:35] Speaker 1: comes to the budget, the lies of law, and you
[20:38] Speaker 1: are paying for it. And if you're in a house
[20:41] Speaker 1: and you're thinking you might have to sell it in
[20:43] Speaker 1: the next couple of years, double check because the value
[20:45] Speaker 1: of it has gone down since the budget, and those
[20:49] Speaker 1: interest rates have gone up fifteen times since he became
[20:53] Speaker 1: the Prime minister. Now I want to talk about the
[20:56] Speaker 1: census because a few people have stopped me in the
[20:59] Speaker 1: street literally and said, why is this happening? Why does
[21:02] Speaker 1: it have to happen? Well, of course censuses or sense,
[21:04] Speaker 1: I presume that's the plural. Had been happening since Herod
[21:08] Speaker 1: was a boy, right, It's been around for a long time.
[21:10] Speaker 1: It is, of course a way of the government being
[21:12] Speaker 1: able to know exactly how many people there are, not
[21:15] Speaker 1: just in the country, not just in the state, not
[21:17] Speaker 1: just in the city, but maybe in your local government area,
[21:19] Speaker 1: maybe even specifically in your suburb. Why does that matter,
[21:23] Speaker 1: because they need to work out if there's more kids
[21:26] Speaker 1: than before, well we've got to have more schools. If
[21:27] Speaker 1: there's more age care than needed, then we can up that,
[21:31] Speaker 1: let alone infrastructure and all the rest of it. Is
[21:34] Speaker 1: it compulsory to do the census? Yes is the answer.
[21:38] Speaker 1: You'll find three hundred and sixty four dollars a day
[21:42] Speaker 1: if you do not complete it by the tenth of
[21:44] Speaker 1: this month. You can do it now and that's fine,
[21:48] Speaker 1: but you have to have it done by the day
[21:50] Speaker 1: they say it has to be done meantime. Do you
[21:52] Speaker 1: have to answer every question? Yes, you have to answer
[21:55] Speaker 1: every question. If you answer falsely, there is giant fines.
[21:59] Speaker 1: I'm not sure how they can calculate that, but you
[22:01] Speaker 1: need to know. And again, why is the sensus important?
[22:04] Speaker 1: Because it gives us the data, and the data is important.
[22:07] Speaker 1: It shows us the makeup of the country, be it
[22:10] Speaker 1: male or female. It tells us about the median age.
[22:13] Speaker 1: It tells us about how many families there are, how
[22:16] Speaker 1: many kids, how many households there are. It tells us
[22:19] Speaker 1: about the number of houses weekly income. It also tells
[22:24] Speaker 1: us how many people had their parents born overseas. You
[22:27] Speaker 1: can see that that went from thirty four percent in
[22:29] Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to the last census thirty sorry, thirty four
[22:33] Speaker 1: to thirty six percent. And these numbers tell us about
[22:36] Speaker 1: the changing and true Australia also expect that one of
[22:40] Speaker 1: the big changes that will happen this time is the
[22:42] Speaker 1: number of people with no religion at all will continue
[22:44] Speaker 1: to increase. It went from twenty nine percent in twenty
[22:47] Speaker 1: sixteen to thirty eight percent in twenty twenty one. It
[22:50] Speaker 1: will be pushing into the forties at least are the
[22:53] Speaker 1: religions Well, those numbers, they flow up and down. A
[22:57] Speaker 1: man who loves the data, I'm sure he gets just
[22:59] Speaker 1: as excited about the census is. The people at the
[23:02] Speaker 1: Bureau of Statistics is Cos Samarus, of course, from the
[23:04] Speaker 1: Red Bridge organization, and you can see their pole appearing
[23:07] Speaker 1: in the Australian Financial Review. He joins us, Now, are
[23:10] Speaker 1: you a census kind of guy? You love getting into
[23:13] Speaker 1: that little quick stats. You love the little electric breakdowns
[23:16] Speaker 1: that tell us how many kids are over this, or
[23:19] Speaker 1: make up that there's a lot of political information in
[23:21] Speaker 1: this census. Christmas for me really correct? Well, certainly birthday
[23:27] Speaker 1: is opinion poll and you get it a birthday at
[23:29] Speaker 1: least once a month or a couple of times a month,
[23:31] Speaker 1: and you've just given us one. When it comes to Victoria,
[23:33] Speaker 1: let's again have a look here. Labour's rock bottom seems
[23:36] Speaker 1: to be twenty three percent in Victoria. So even with
[23:40] Speaker 1: all the help from the Greens and all the help
[23:41] Speaker 1: from others, it still wouldn't be enough to win on
[23:44] Speaker 1: a two party preferred basis. If you loosely put together
[23:47] Speaker 1: the preferences from one nation, it gets the Coalition over
[23:50] Speaker 1: the line. My guess would be that the Coalition's number
[23:53] Speaker 1: clearly has got stronger because people not just have rejected Labor,
[23:56] Speaker 1: but they are buying into the just Wilson version of things,
[24:00] Speaker 1: aren't they.
[24:01] Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's pretty clear that one
[24:03] Speaker 8: nation's taken a bit of a hit in the primary
[24:05] Speaker 8: vote over the last couple of months, and the beneficiary
[24:09] Speaker 8: is actually the coalition. So what's going on here, I
[24:12] Speaker 8: think is that there is a group of former Liberal
[24:16] Speaker 8: voters National Party voters who are viewing Jess Wilson as
[24:19] Speaker 8: the change agent, and so they're going back to the Coalition.
[24:25] Speaker 8: The biggest concern for Labor should be that their primaries
[24:28] Speaker 8: at twenty three, which is the lowest we've ever recorded,
[24:32] Speaker 8: and it's still sitting at twenty three, even though one
[24:36] Speaker 8: nation's dropping in support.
[24:39] Speaker 1: So obviously twenty three percent is it statewide? It'll be
[24:42] Speaker 1: slightly higher in some places, it'll be slightly lower in others.
[24:46] Speaker 1: We certainly know that the jacenta Alan Daniel Andrews version
[24:49] Speaker 1: of things was trying to push it up as high
[24:51] Speaker 1: as possible in people with the university degree, let alone
[24:55] Speaker 1: people that are part of dependence on government. Hence that
[24:57] Speaker 1: triangle that I keep talking about. Here, give me an
[25:00] Speaker 1: idea again, one nation. I think we're very clever today
[25:04] Speaker 1: because they didn't announce, you know, fifty five hundred candidates.
[25:06] Speaker 1: They had a lower House leader that'll be the blow
[25:09] Speaker 1: called do the interviews, but they wanted to show all
[25:11] Speaker 1: the people in the upper House because the most likely
[25:14] Speaker 1: result is we'll see how many. I won't pin you
[25:16] Speaker 1: to that downstairs, but given that number, they'd be able
[25:20] Speaker 1: to get at least one up in all of the
[25:21] Speaker 1: different parts of the regions of Victoria in the Upper House,
[25:25] Speaker 1: which of course could mean regardless of what the government is,
[25:28] Speaker 1: they become well the rubber stamp, the handbrake, or the
[25:31] Speaker 1: accelerated depending on what they think.
[25:34] Speaker 8: Yeah. Look, the thing I took out of their media
[25:36] Speaker 8: coverage today is that the team looks pretty well put together, professional,
[25:43] Speaker 8: fairly young, right, not the sort of candidates that I
[25:48] Speaker 8: would say the labor side of politics would have wished
[25:50] Speaker 8: to be projected on the TV screen, and so it
[25:54] Speaker 8: should be a concern for the left side of politics,
[25:56] Speaker 8: there's no question about that. But more importantly, what this
[26:00] Speaker 8: will now do is make it very hard for Labor
[26:04] Speaker 8: to convince people in the outer suburbs of Melbourne in particular,
[26:07] Speaker 8: that they should not vote for One Nation and go
[26:10] Speaker 8: back to Labor. So what you've got here is a
[26:13] Speaker 8: fairly presentable, professional outfit that is actually eating to Labour's vote.
[26:18] Speaker 8: You know, most of Labour's i would say attrition in
[26:21] Speaker 8: their primary vote is via One Nation and there's a
[26:24] Speaker 8: bit i'll say attrition versus the Liberal Party in Melbourne's
[26:28] Speaker 8: eastern suburbs, but this, but overwhelmingly Labor's got a problem
[26:32] Speaker 8: with One Nation. I think today's announcement doesn't make it
[26:35] Speaker 8: any easier for them.
[26:36] Speaker 1: Let's go federal now, obviously you released that last night again,
[26:39] Speaker 1: One Nation up on top of thirty one percent, follow
[26:42] Speaker 1: by Labor at twenty nine. Now, let's be honest, give
[26:45] Speaker 1: will take three points this way, three points that way,
[26:47] Speaker 1: four points this way, four points that way. There is
[26:50] Speaker 1: going to be a bounce and bounce in both directions
[26:52] Speaker 1: about which party is going to be above the line
[26:56] Speaker 1: as the so called most popular party in the country
[27:00] Speaker 1: is no one's near fifty, so you need a whole
[27:02] Speaker 1: bunch of votes to come with you. What do you
[27:04] Speaker 1: see is the story behind this pole? What did people
[27:06] Speaker 1: tell you when you went and asked them? Why have
[27:09] Speaker 1: you moved your vote according to this by about six
[27:11] Speaker 1: points in one direction and again about six points in another.
[27:17] Speaker 8: Yeah, look at it all fluctuates now within the sort
[27:20] Speaker 8: of marginal era. I would say that the next big
[27:24] Speaker 8: move in the polling numbers will be whether the economy
[27:27] Speaker 8: improves or worsens. I think we're now looking at a
[27:31] Speaker 8: one nation primary that holas in the high twenty years,
[27:33] Speaker 8: low thirties, Labour's primary vote is pretty much in that space.
[27:37] Speaker 8: There's a geographic I would say, component to all of this.
[27:41] Speaker 8: So Labour's doing a lot better in the big cities,
[27:44] Speaker 8: a lot worse outside the big cities. That means it
[27:47] Speaker 8: could still win an election, but it's got a lot
[27:50] Speaker 8: of problems when it comes to Queensland because that's where
[27:54] Speaker 8: the difference does apply. In the outer subbers of Brisbane,
[27:58] Speaker 8: like in the federal set of Blair and other electrics
[28:01] Speaker 8: which they gained the last election, they will lose to
[28:04] Speaker 8: One Nation unless these numbers change.
[28:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to see and trying to remember
[28:09] Speaker 1: that a big swathe of seats were won in southeast
[28:13] Speaker 1: Queensland and again in the suburbs of Brisbane. This is
[28:16] Speaker 1: the difference between seventy six seats that you need for
[28:19] Speaker 1: a majority ninety four where you can burn a backbench. Well. Again,
[28:24] Speaker 1: the economy is going to start to churn through some
[28:26] Speaker 1: of those people. And as Philip Curry wrote when he
[28:29] Speaker 1: was again doing his analysis of this when it all
[28:32] Speaker 1: came out last night, I thought was quite interesting that
[28:34] Speaker 1: basically this picture puts us right back where we were
[28:37] Speaker 1: post budget. Now. Obviously there had been a drop in
[28:41] Speaker 1: One Nation support a month after the budget, and now
[28:45] Speaker 1: it's back. We had a lot of people claiming that
[28:49] Speaker 1: Hanson's trip to the UK was the beginning of a disaster.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Certainly the National Press Club speech big problem. Certainly, labor
[28:57] Speaker 1: curious voters on the industrial relations stuffsolutely a potential problem here.
[29:02] Speaker 1: But why did people rediscover or again we're just talking
[29:07] Speaker 1: about the natural fluctuations that can happen, and because it's
[29:09] Speaker 1: not an election tomorrow, it does bounce.
[29:11] Speaker 8: A bit yeah, that's right. The economy is not improving,
[29:15] Speaker 8: is it all. So this is the fundamental problem, and
[29:18] Speaker 8: so people are expressing to us as pulses. They're frustration.
[29:23] Speaker 8: The only remedy really for Labor or the Coalition is
[29:27] Speaker 8: to prove to these voters that they are the solution
[29:29] Speaker 8: to a problem that many Australians are facing, and that
[29:32] Speaker 8: is that inflation with crisis hit them like a ton
[29:36] Speaker 8: of bricks really, and it's a problem that I think
[29:40] Speaker 8: that both major parties are going to have to confront
[29:42] Speaker 8: come twenty twenty eight because if the economy is still
[29:44] Speaker 8: in that same state, and that is the inflation crisis
[29:47] Speaker 8: is still present, people are paying enormous amount of money
[29:51] Speaker 8: in interest rate with payments, it's going to be a
[29:54] Speaker 8: significant hurdle to overcome.
[29:56] Speaker 1: Last one here. Obviously, Coalition multiple poles, and your shows
[29:59] Speaker 1: it too that they have had four points. Is sorry,
[30:02] Speaker 1: a couple of points is not a bad movement. It
[30:05] Speaker 1: is right on that margin of error, but still it
[30:07] Speaker 1: is a little bit of a trend about it coming
[30:09] Speaker 1: back again. You have a look at that pole and
[30:12] Speaker 1: if you just look at where does Foe go, Well,
[30:14] Speaker 1: I don't think it came from the Greens. But where
[30:17] Speaker 1: do you think that coalition vote has come back from.
[30:20] Speaker 8: At'll bit from one nation, it'll bit from labor. So
[30:24] Speaker 8: what we're seeing is a lot of sort of transaction
[30:26] Speaker 8: occurring under the sort of under the radar, the coalitions
[30:31] Speaker 8: hovering in the low twenty years, high teens. This will
[30:35] Speaker 8: bounce around for a while until I think we'll get
[30:38] Speaker 8: closer to an election and Australians that are forced to
[30:42] Speaker 8: make a genuine choice. So what I'm trying to say
[30:45] Speaker 8: here is they've got a bit of a blank canvas.
[30:48] Speaker 8: Whether it's Angus Taylor, whether it's Anthony Absi, they've both
[30:53] Speaker 8: got a bit of a window to actually paint that picture.
[30:57] Speaker 8: And if they do it correctly, they might actually drag
[30:59] Speaker 8: some more it's off one nation and another to their column.
[31:02] Speaker 8: But if they fell in doing that, we're going to
[31:05] Speaker 8: have an interesting twenty twenty eight.
[31:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean also, one more thing that was
[31:10] Speaker 1: I noticed, of course in your poll, was that basically
[31:13] Speaker 1: be a cost of living, be at housing, be it
[31:15] Speaker 1: everything else sort of the nun of the above was
[31:18] Speaker 1: the single biggest number that was in the thirties everywhere,
[31:20] Speaker 1: meaning it is up for grabs. It is up for positivity,
[31:23] Speaker 1: it is there to be bought, or it is there
[31:26] Speaker 1: to move around. And then, of course the difference between
[31:28] Speaker 1: a poll and a mid a mid season report and
[31:31] Speaker 1: the Grand Final cost Thank you so much. Enjoy your
[31:34] Speaker 1: statistical birthday before you have another one in a few
[31:36] Speaker 1: weeks time. Thank you. Mate. He's for fantastic, isn't he? Redbridge?
[31:40] Speaker 1: There cause Samaris he of course more details on his
[31:43] Speaker 1: substack or you can find his stuff on all of
[31:45] Speaker 1: the socials. No sooks, no lefties. Let's get straight into
[31:48] Speaker 1: that next here on Paul Murray Live. Thank you so
[31:55] Speaker 1: much for watching. Hows this for nooks, no lefties, none
[31:57] Speaker 1: of them. The great James Morrow. You can see him
[31:58] Speaker 1: on the US Report on you can see them on
[32:01] Speaker 1: Outsiders on Sunday. You can of course read him in
[32:03] Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph. Matt Canavan, so good to see you
[32:05] Speaker 1: as well, sir. Of course, the leader of the National Party,
[32:07] Speaker 1: the man who wants to put us his first Remember
[32:09] Speaker 1: when that was a slogan the Labor Party. Now, oh,
[32:12] Speaker 1: it's a shocking statement of truth and obviousness, including that
[32:17] Speaker 1: in New Zealand they have just passed a law that
[32:19] Speaker 1: English is the official language does it mean you cannot
[32:22] Speaker 1: speak anything else at home? No? But does it mean
[32:24] Speaker 1: that all the signs have to be at least starting
[32:26] Speaker 1: in English and you can add whatever you want underneath?
[32:29] Speaker 1: Great idea, Matt, isn't it. Yeah.
[32:33] Speaker 4: Look, I suppose it's a probably bigger issue over there
[32:35] Speaker 4: in New Zealand. They've had some multi lingual issues with
[32:39] Speaker 4: native languages et cetera. I mean, most of our signs
[32:42] Speaker 4: are in English, I think, so don't necessarily need to
[32:44] Speaker 4: take such radical steps, but it should stay that way,
[32:47] Speaker 4: no doubt about it.
[32:47] Speaker 1: All Right, Well, certainly, James, you're part of Australia and
[32:50] Speaker 1: being able to see big swathes, particularly Western Sydney. But
[32:54] Speaker 1: it's not just Western Sydney. It's lots of it. There
[32:55] Speaker 1: are streets and streets where you wouldn't see anything but
[32:58] Speaker 1: the street name in English.
[32:59] Speaker 9: Well, yeah, Ed, I mean, look, I think it's so
[33:00] Speaker 9: much about the the commercial signs you know in front
[33:04] Speaker 9: of like you know, your Arabic shops, your Chinese.
[33:06] Speaker 1: Shops or whatever.
[33:07] Speaker 9: There's a whole series of issues that we can talk
[33:09] Speaker 9: about there, whether or not, you know, the multiculturalism of
[33:12] Speaker 9: old has turned into the new tribalism. And people getta
[33:15] Speaker 9: wising together in different places that don't incorporate in the mainstream.
[33:19] Speaker 9: But New Zealand's got a really interesting situation that's very different,
[33:23] Speaker 9: you know, because they've got this coexistence between the Maori
[33:27] Speaker 9: population and the post Bowery Center populations. They've got the
[33:30] Speaker 9: Treaty of White Tangy. But here's the interesting thing. You
[33:33] Speaker 9: go to, like, you know, New Zealand newspapers and things
[33:36] Speaker 9: like websites and so on, there's this huge infusion of
[33:40] Speaker 9: Maori terminology. I remember a couple of years ago I
[33:42] Speaker 9: was trying to research something about something that was happening
[33:44] Speaker 9: in New Zealand and compared to what was happening here
[33:47] Speaker 9: in Australia, and it was actually almost impenetrable. I couldn't
[33:50] Speaker 9: understand it. And it's so interesting too because when you
[33:53] Speaker 9: look at the Maori population in New Zealand, unlike our
[33:56] Speaker 9: indigenous Australians who have been here for you know, however,
[33:59] Speaker 9: being tends without of years are saying this week they
[34:03] Speaker 9: only showed up about eight hundred years ago. So the
[34:06] Speaker 9: city of London is older than Maori settlement. They displaced
[34:10] Speaker 9: other people. City of Paris is so it's a much
[34:14] Speaker 9: different sort of thing, and so you have to, you know,
[34:17] Speaker 9: make sure that English is there as the lingua franca
[34:20] Speaker 9: and that you don't just have a minority language that
[34:23] Speaker 9: is then sort of taking over the whole show.
[34:26] Speaker 1: I love talking about mental health because it's real. It's
[34:29] Speaker 1: real in every part of our communities, right, we all
[34:31] Speaker 1: know it either in and around our own lives, certainly
[34:34] Speaker 1: our family lives. And also I want to talk about boys,
[34:37] Speaker 1: not because I don't care about the future of girls.
[34:39] Speaker 1: I've got two and I want them to have the
[34:40] Speaker 1: best future as female in the world, right, But boys
[34:43] Speaker 1: are suffering. Men are suffering, particularly in regional areas, and man,
[34:46] Speaker 1: you've been doing something about it and the most important thing,
[34:48] Speaker 1: which is talking to people about it.
[34:54] Speaker 4: Look, it's one of the first things I did is
[34:56] Speaker 4: later the National's Paul. I think it's incredibly serious issue,
[35:01] Speaker 4: like a direction focus on making sure particularly young boys
[35:06] Speaker 4: can turn into two men. And so I asked Lou O'Brien,
[35:12] Speaker 4: the member for White BAYNX Copper. He's sent a lot
[35:15] Speaker 4: through his life to be a special envoy for men
[35:18] Speaker 4: and boys. He's been traveling around the country hearing from
[35:22] Speaker 4: different groups and not just men and boys. Obviously a
[35:24] Speaker 4: lot of women are involved in this discussion too. They
[35:27] Speaker 4: want strong men in their lives as well. And we
[35:32] Speaker 4: had a great discussion today in Rockampton hosted by Michelle Landry.
[35:36] Speaker 4: A really good point was made about at this meeting
[35:39] Speaker 4: about to support for new dads the special envoys for
[35:43] Speaker 4: men and bat boys. But I want almost to have
[35:46] Speaker 4: dads there. They're the almost most important type of men.
[35:49] Speaker 4: And you go through these classes before you have a
[35:52] Speaker 4: baby through hospitals. I did it, done it five times
[35:55] Speaker 4: and very important obviously to support the mother and they
[35:59] Speaker 4: go through a lot more than we do through childbirth.
[36:01] Speaker 4: But there's a local guy here in Rocky who's for
[36:04] Speaker 4: when they're doing the breastfeeding classes. He takes the men
[36:07] Speaker 4: out and teaches them about what to expect with the
[36:09] Speaker 4: newborn baby. How important is to be involved in their
[36:12] Speaker 4: lives and be that dad there, that role model for
[36:16] Speaker 4: children here children. So I think that's a great initiative
[36:18] Speaker 4: actually to broaden that pre natal education out to the
[36:23] Speaker 4: dads as well as the mums.
[36:25] Speaker 1: Well that's it. May give us the details because I'd
[36:26] Speaker 1: love to talk to that bloke on the telly as well.
[36:28] Speaker 1: I think it's a really important conversation. Make sure you
[36:30] Speaker 1: follow Matt and all the socials for that. James, I
[36:32] Speaker 1: was noticing that you, like many of us, deeply concerned
[36:35] Speaker 1: about what happened in Spain over the weekend. Sixty thousand
[36:39] Speaker 1: people just jump the friends from Morocco. But maybe maybe
[36:43] Speaker 1: maybe the red line has now been crossed that in
[36:45] Speaker 1: Europe you might actually start to need your passport when
[36:48] Speaker 1: you pass through a board.
[36:49] Speaker 9: Well yeah, this is really literally, I mean we saw this,
[36:52] Speaker 9: and there's still a lot of conjecture, Paul about what
[36:55] Speaker 9: exactly touched this off. Part of it's the full factor
[36:58] Speaker 9: of Spain. Spain. Remember has this Pedro Sanchez guy, who
[37:01] Speaker 9: is the Spanish Socialist Workers Party guy. So, I mean
[37:05] Speaker 9: that tells you everything you need to know. He's a commie. Okay,
[37:07] Speaker 9: he's a comy, that's it. And they've had all these
[37:10] Speaker 9: rulings that say you come in, you know, we'll give
[37:12] Speaker 9: you everything you want. That's the pull factor, the push factor,
[37:15] Speaker 9: though there seems to be some sort of Islamist involvement
[37:18] Speaker 9: that's trying to destabilize Morocco ahead of its elections. So
[37:22] Speaker 9: other times these crossings have happened they've been provoked by Morocco.
[37:26] Speaker 9: This may be something different. The fascinating thing about this,
[37:30] Speaker 9: this is what everybody needs to know. Twenty fifteen, we
[37:32] Speaker 9: had Angela Berkel vierschaffends we can do this, We can
[37:36] Speaker 9: take the millions and millions and millions of people in
[37:39] Speaker 9: and that's why Christmas markets are so vibrant in Europe now.
[37:43] Speaker 9: But this is but then, you know, down finally you've
[37:46] Speaker 9: had this. And you had not just Italy with Georgia
[37:48] Speaker 9: Boloney at the Helm, but you've had Finland, the Czech Republic, France,
[37:52] Speaker 9: even Germany saying hang on, hang on, this is not
[37:56] Speaker 9: good Ursula vondaland the head of the EU said no,
[37:59] Speaker 9: it'll he said, we're pulling out at Shangin France put
[38:02] Speaker 9: their borders up. This is, I think, the moment when
[38:05] Speaker 9: Europe has suddenly finally said this is terrifying. We cannot
[38:12] Speaker 9: let this go on. So and you know, for all
[38:14] Speaker 9: the commentary, Poul, it's like, oh, the far right, the
[38:17] Speaker 9: far right is driving the conversation's like, well, do you
[38:20] Speaker 9: want sixty some other people swarming it in twenty four
[38:22] Speaker 9: hours or you know, do you want our.
[38:24] Speaker 1: Little border control? Think about it one hundred percent. Just
[38:27] Speaker 1: back to my conversation, because Matt, the reality of the
[38:30] Speaker 1: economy at the moment, the Prime minister, you know, I
[38:33] Speaker 1: mean and obviously hasn't had a day off all year.
[38:35] Speaker 1: I mean sure the football games and all the rest
[38:37] Speaker 1: of this, and photographic evidence that it hasn't been twenty
[38:39] Speaker 1: four to seven work from him. But interest rates are
[38:42] Speaker 1: basically now, they are literally where they were in the
[38:44] Speaker 1: worst political year for the government being twenty twenty four.
[38:48] Speaker 1: There's an exhaustion factor from people about the economy, and
[38:51] Speaker 1: there is a knowledge that the government, while it might
[38:54] Speaker 1: announce a little this, a little that it's not really helping.
[38:56] Speaker 1: In fact, it finds ways to keep inflation running too hot,
[39:00] Speaker 1: too hard, which is why we've had those interest rate rises.
[39:03] Speaker 1: As a person who would like to be part of
[39:05] Speaker 1: an alternative government, how important is having a serious plan
[39:09] Speaker 1: about the economy that that is really front and center
[39:12] Speaker 1: for what yourself and angus have to present as the
[39:15] Speaker 1: threshold before there is consideration of a change of government.
[39:21] Speaker 4: We've I don't think it's anything new, Paul Bill Clinton's advice,
[39:24] Speaker 4: I've probably had it right. It's the economy stupid, and
[39:28] Speaker 4: economy has been pretty much the worst in the advanced world.
[39:32] Speaker 4: We've had the biggest deal of reduction in living standards
[39:35] Speaker 4: in the advanced world since COVID, and people are frustrated
[39:39] Speaker 4: about that. We're particularly living in a country with blessed
[39:42] Speaker 4: with so much natural resources. We should have rivers of gold.
[39:46] Speaker 4: But people are really struggling. And what's worse, I think
[39:49] Speaker 4: is people understand sometimes that there are economic impacts that
[39:53] Speaker 4: outside the control of governments. But this government seems to
[39:57] Speaker 4: have just given up. They've really really are putting out
[40:02] Speaker 4: the white flag on economic growth. They notionally had a
[40:05] Speaker 4: plan to stimulate growth around hydrogen exports. Remember that they
[40:08] Speaker 4: don't talk about that, lower power prices. Remember that they
[40:12] Speaker 4: don't talk about that anymore. And they're lefto now an
[40:14] Speaker 4: economic plan that involves jacking up taxes, that's it. And
[40:19] Speaker 4: jacking up taxes. They promised they wouldn't do their tax
[40:22] Speaker 4: increases based on a lie. That's not going to stimulate
[40:25] Speaker 4: economic growth. And we've got a simple plan now that
[40:28] Speaker 4: I've been selling with Angus last week. It's not an
[40:31] Speaker 4: easy thing to do. There's no easy answers, as Ronald
[40:33] Speaker 4: Reagan would say, but there are simple ones. And the
[40:36] Speaker 4: simple thing we've got to do is lower taxes, lower
[40:39] Speaker 4: energy prices by scrapping net zero, lower migration. And if
[40:43] Speaker 4: we lower all of those three things, that will add up,
[40:45] Speaker 4: in my view very clearly to high out living standards
[40:48] Speaker 4: because of more housing infrastructure available, with a much more
[40:51] Speaker 4: sustainable migration intake, will use all our natural resources to
[40:54] Speaker 4: lower power prices, and of course lowering taxes. We're going
[40:58] Speaker 4: to scrap labor taxes and also make sure we scrap
[41:01] Speaker 4: the silent inflation tax by indexing thresholds tax thresholds.
[41:05] Speaker 1: All of that will add up.
[41:06] Speaker 4: To stimulating business, investment, economic growth, get our country going again.
[41:10] Speaker 4: That's our plan. As I say, it's a simple one.
[41:13] Speaker 4: It'll be hard to achieve, but it's something I think
[41:15] Speaker 4: they can give people hope for the future.
[41:17] Speaker 1: Good man, thank you so much. Thank you guys, No sioks,
[41:19] Speaker 1: no left is that was fun on a Monday. Good
[41:21] Speaker 1: luck five kids. Imagine remembering all those birthdays. It's supposed
[41:24] Speaker 1: it to be easy because won every couple of months.
[41:25] Speaker 1: I get it right, It's not easy being a dad.
[41:27] Speaker 1: Fight all the strength of your arm made all right
[41:30] Speaker 1: quick break back with more than your leader of one
[41:31] Speaker 1: Nation in Victoria joins us for his first TV interview
[41:34] Speaker 1: here she'll do so next. Warren Pickering is the man
[41:41] Speaker 1: who is going to be the leader for One Nation
[41:44] Speaker 1: in Victoria and he joins us now on Paul Murray Live.
[41:46] Speaker 1: Warren lovely to meet your mate. Congratulations, Yeah, Paul, thank
[41:52] Speaker 1: you very much.
[41:52] Speaker 7: Mate. We've got our workout out for us, that's for sure.
[41:55] Speaker 1: I love today and clearly it was the message November
[41:58] Speaker 1: to remember. The expectators are obviously on the polling that
[42:01] Speaker 1: was there when it was an empty seat. Now's you
[42:04] Speaker 1: in that seat? Is still very strong? What a way
[42:07] Speaker 1: to start that. There is a very significant amount of
[42:10] Speaker 1: support for One Nation. Certainly that will produce theoretically quite
[42:15] Speaker 1: a strong performance in the Upper House along with yourself
[42:18] Speaker 1: and many others in the lower House. Give me an idea. Obviously,
[42:22] Speaker 1: success is that you become the premier, but give me
[42:24] Speaker 1: an idea about the fight between now and then and
[42:27] Speaker 1: about what you think you might be able to do.
[42:33] Speaker 9: Man.
[42:33] Speaker 7: I think the fight between now and then is to
[42:36] Speaker 7: get out there and engage our communities and ensure that
[42:38] Speaker 7: we can secure the trust of the Victorian people. We've
[42:41] Speaker 7: never governed before. We're well aware of that, but I
[42:43] Speaker 7: think it pays for us to be able to get
[42:46] Speaker 7: out there and remind our communities, you know that say well,
[42:48] Speaker 7: what if you've never hold held portfolios before, we've never
[42:51] Speaker 7: governed before, or how's the current lot doing? You know,
[42:54] Speaker 7: they've governed many times for many years, and how's that
[42:57] Speaker 7: going for us? At the end of the day, if
[42:59] Speaker 7: Victoria meaningful change, they have to vote for it.
[43:02] Speaker 3: Mate.
[43:02] Speaker 7: So look, the slogan has sort of come out of
[43:04] Speaker 7: nowhere November to Remember. But I think we'll run with it.
[43:06] Speaker 7: Let's be honest. It's got to catch a bit of
[43:08] Speaker 7: a catch to it, doesn't it.
[43:09] Speaker 1: That's it fire the lie I seemed to work, so
[43:11] Speaker 1: wone on November to Remember. Now, what about these protesters
[43:14] Speaker 1: out in the front of this event. You're in Hawthorne
[43:15] Speaker 1: tonight where people were able to meet the candidates. You
[43:18] Speaker 1: sold that out, you know, in just a couple of hours.
[43:20] Speaker 1: What about these idiots outside carrying on? I mean, obviously
[43:24] Speaker 1: you don't want anyone to be threatened, you don't want
[43:25] Speaker 1: anyone to be heckled. But these people help your cause,
[43:28] Speaker 1: don't they?
[43:30] Speaker 7: Look they do, mate. But this again at highlights a
[43:33] Speaker 7: broader issue here, especially in Victoria, as you well know.
[43:36] Speaker 7: You know, we originally wanted to hold that today's press
[43:38] Speaker 7: conference on the steps of Parliament, but we're advised not to.
[43:41] Speaker 7: I mean, we still chose to take that advice. But
[43:44] Speaker 7: the reality is we claim to live in a democratic state.
[43:47] Speaker 7: We're simply not anymore. You cannot express or share a
[43:50] Speaker 7: value set outside of those of the raging intolerant without
[43:54] Speaker 7: them turning up to try and shut down all dialogue.
[43:56] Speaker 7: It's not good enough, mate. But I think at this
[43:58] Speaker 7: event specifically, we've had the turn up and look all
[44:01] Speaker 7: they did here was serve as a effectively a doorbell
[44:04] Speaker 7: for when the Senator herself turned up.
[44:07] Speaker 1: Very good, Very good. All right, now, let's get to
[44:10] Speaker 1: know you. Obviously a lot of time to talk about
[44:12] Speaker 1: ideas between now and November. You're a forty three year
[44:15] Speaker 1: old bloke who's had some pretty incredible experiences. I'll get
[44:19] Speaker 1: to one of the personal ones in a moment, but
[44:21] Speaker 1: tell us about your time, well all the way from
[44:24] Speaker 1: being a brickie to in the army. Tell me about
[44:27] Speaker 1: what it is about your life that you want to
[44:30] Speaker 1: put you in a place where you're not the average polly.
[44:34] Speaker 7: Yeah, look, at the end of the day. I was
[44:37] Speaker 7: raised on a potato farm out in Gippsland, became a
[44:39] Speaker 7: brick layer as a young feller, as and apprentice, worked
[44:41] Speaker 7: to all aspects of that industry, in domestic housing, commercial
[44:45] Speaker 7: high rise. So to see a fam back in the day, mate,
[44:48] Speaker 7: in late late nineties, early two thousands. It's been a
[44:52] Speaker 7: long road since then. But I didn't join the army.
[44:54] Speaker 7: I had my daughter when I was quite young, at
[44:56] Speaker 7: twenty one. I didn't join the Army until I was
[44:58] Speaker 7: twenty nine, but I joined as a I'm that engineer
[45:01] Speaker 7: posted to North Queensland. Had multiple operational deployments in combat
[45:05] Speaker 7: zones and humanitarian A disaster relief operations and on humanitarian
[45:09] Speaker 7: age disaster relief SORRY operations and foreign engagement exercises. She's
[45:14] Speaker 7: been a long day, mate, I get it. So Look,
[45:17] Speaker 7: I had a fantastic service mate. I can't complain at all.
[45:20] Speaker 7: It was an honor and privilege to serve my country.
[45:23] Speaker 7: Came back to Sunny Victoria. Look, I was a single father,
[45:26] Speaker 7: had sole custody my daughter since she was about fourteen
[45:28] Speaker 7: years old. Moved back to Victoria during about COVID thereafter
[45:32] Speaker 7: and decided I need to get involved with the political
[45:34] Speaker 7: sphere and start to make a bit of change. Reached
[45:37] Speaker 7: out to One Nation Party Senator Hanson and the team
[45:41] Speaker 7: decided to endorse me for the first time in the
[45:43] Speaker 7: twenty twenty two federal election, and we just sort of
[45:46] Speaker 7: stayed on and organically fell into that role of state
[45:50] Speaker 7: president in this party. So we've just been building things.
[45:52] Speaker 7: A lot of people don't realize we've been at the
[45:53] Speaker 7: grassroots level in Victoria for a lot of years now. Mate,
[45:56] Speaker 7: twenty twenty two was our first state campaign. We've got
[45:59] Speaker 7: one hundred percent success, So we've worked at leveraging that
[46:02] Speaker 7: over the last couple of years and developing the part
[46:04] Speaker 7: in the brand brand in Victorian. I think we've come
[46:07] Speaker 7: a long way, absolutely, But look, Mate, at the end
[46:10] Speaker 7: of the day, and this is what I said in
[46:11] Speaker 7: the press conference earlier, we're looking to cultivate talent from
[46:14] Speaker 7: within the community. We want real soul of the earth
[46:17] Speaker 7: Victorians who understand the systemic issues that we's this society
[46:22] Speaker 7: face and I think that's what I personally bring to
[46:24] Speaker 7: the table. Mate. So look, that's a bit about me
[46:27] Speaker 7: and the team and some of the attributes that we're
[46:29] Speaker 7: after specifically Paul.
[46:30] Speaker 1: Now I'm up against the clock here, and I'm sure
[46:33] Speaker 1: we're going to have a really long chat about this,
[46:35] Speaker 1: and I look forward to doing so, both on and
[46:36] Speaker 1: off the air. As a single dad, there's a lot
[46:40] Speaker 1: of single parents that are watching us, of people who've
[46:42] Speaker 1: come through those homes. That experience is sort of the
[46:46] Speaker 1: central one of life, which is being a parent. What
[46:49] Speaker 1: was like being a single dad of a little lady
[46:51] Speaker 1: who you love very much?
[46:56] Speaker 7: Look, I think it's different for everyone, mate, And you know,
[46:59] Speaker 7: you don't get to pick the material that they're built
[47:03] Speaker 7: out of, you know what I mean. I think there's
[47:04] Speaker 7: a lot of nature and nurture, there is, absolutely, But
[47:07] Speaker 7: I'm lucky enough the mind told us now twenty two
[47:09] Speaker 7: years old, and I think in a lot of ways
[47:10] Speaker 7: she's an old soul. So look, I was very blessed
[47:13] Speaker 7: in that respect. I don't think it's the same for
[47:15] Speaker 7: any everyone. But look, there's certainly seems to be a
[47:19] Speaker 7: lot of stigma against men, men trying to gain custody
[47:22] Speaker 7: of their children as a sole parent. So that look,
[47:26] Speaker 7: there's a lot to be done in that space. I
[47:27] Speaker 7: think made I think equality there and the blatant misuse
[47:31] Speaker 7: of police and family law courts in that situation needs
[47:34] Speaker 7: to be looked at. You know, we've seen a three
[47:36] Speaker 7: to one ratio disproportionate ratio of men committing suicides, and
[47:41] Speaker 7: I think we need to start recording the statistical data
[47:44] Speaker 7: around what was going on in those men's lives at
[47:46] Speaker 7: the time. It's women as well. Absolutely, yeah, but again
[47:49] Speaker 7: that's short response.
[47:50] Speaker 1: Mate, No, no, no, I get it. Warren. What a
[47:53] Speaker 1: pleasure to meet you. I think plenty of people will
[47:56] Speaker 1: feel exactly like me that this is exactly the type
[47:58] Speaker 1: of person we want in our policy and certainly into
[48:00] Speaker 1: our parliaments. All the best, mate, we'll chat many times
[48:03] Speaker 1: between now and the big day. All the best, Warren,
[48:05] Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
[48:07] Speaker 7: Thanks for your time, mate her How good is he?
[48:09] Speaker 1: Warren Pickering, the leader of one nation in Victoria. Quick
[48:11] Speaker 1: break back with more here on Paul Murray Live. A
[48:14] Speaker 1: little bit of social media nonsense before we're done. I
[48:21] Speaker 1: cannot wander off into the sunset without showing you what
[48:24] Speaker 1: happened with your tax dollars today. Of course, we pay
[48:26] Speaker 1: for them, they pay staff and they make crap like
[48:28] Speaker 1: this six wow our last year. Here's the late debate

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