# Paul Murray Live | 27 November

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 27 Nov 2025, 50 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/33646828-139f-4aaf-921e-b3a200dab8c0/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The cost of living surges under the Albanese government as inflation jumps to 3.8 percent, an analysis of the latest NSW crime statistics. Plus, an Afghan refugee accused of shooting national guardsmen in Washington. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sharry,
[0:07] Speaker 1: Welcome into the man Cave now for the next fifteen years.
[0:10] Speaker 1: My cup is absolutely overflowing with love and support. Thank
[0:13] Speaker 1: you to everyone. It was a wonderful night and certainly
[0:16] Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoyed the show. It was great
[0:18] Speaker 1: to hang out with mates and Tagrid was having Laura
[0:21] Speaker 1: here in the man Cave as well as the girls
[0:22] Speaker 1: at the end. Or enough about mate, Let's get into
[0:24] Speaker 1: this now. Obviously we've got to talk about Barnaby Joyce
[0:27] Speaker 1: jumping from the National Party. Where will he eventually end Well,
[0:30] Speaker 1: notion probably is where he's going to go. We will
[0:32] Speaker 1: discuss why, what's next. There is always a bunch of
[0:37] Speaker 1: people who want to tell you that your lion eyes
[0:39] Speaker 1: cannot be believed, that crime is nothing to see here. Well,
[0:42] Speaker 1: of course there's plenty to see here, plenty to believe here.
[0:45] Speaker 1: But I'll show you how they spin some of the
[0:46] Speaker 1: crime stats. Remind us Sunday night, we're going to be
[0:49] Speaker 1: in a chuker. Cannot wait for this weekend in Regional Victoria.
[0:52] Speaker 1: It is going to be an absolute thumper. If I can,
[0:55] Speaker 1: we'll get on a house. But maybe jump in for
[0:57] Speaker 1: a little swim somewhere. So if you see a big
[0:58] Speaker 1: bloke bopping about, well guess what that's me. Don't say me.
[1:01] Speaker 1: I'm having a good time. Now. A little mentioned to
[1:04] Speaker 1: really special people watching us on Sky News Regional and
[1:08] Speaker 1: specifically in New South Wales the Northern Rivers region. Now
[1:11] Speaker 1: I'm talking about Coffs, Harbor, Lismore or the Gold Coast.
[1:15] Speaker 1: As of Monday, you're going to find us on channel
[1:17] Speaker 1: fifty six. Okay, So from Monday, wherever you are, Sky
[1:23] Speaker 1: News Regional in those areas on channel fifty six. Okay.
[1:27] Speaker 1: I love how many people come up to us in
[1:29] Speaker 1: regional areas because they watch us on free to wear.
[1:32] Speaker 1: Don't worry about channel fifty three. It's channel fifty six
[1:34] Speaker 1: in those regions that I mentioned before from Monday. Now
[1:39] Speaker 1: let's get to the day's news now. Obviously, the conventional
[1:43] Speaker 1: wisdom post the federal election is that all matters to
[1:47] Speaker 1: do with climate change, well all game over right, ned zero,
[1:51] Speaker 1: only way to go new targements going even harder by
[1:55] Speaker 1: the mid twenty thirties. Now I have been I would
[1:57] Speaker 1: like to think introspective post election to try to work
[2:01] Speaker 1: out Okay, where are people not just about what the
[2:04] Speaker 1: election result is there, but how do we continue to
[2:08] Speaker 1: have a conversation with Australians where they are as opposed
[2:12] Speaker 1: to sometimes what we might take for granted as their opinions. Well,
[2:16] Speaker 1: every now and then there is polling that pops up
[2:19] Speaker 1: that gives us a very clear idea, Like we know
[2:23] Speaker 1: that the majority of Australians have issues with mass migration.
[2:27] Speaker 1: It is across the entire political spectrum, but the political
[2:31] Speaker 1: class no need to talk about it. Why because the
[2:34] Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme means you need more people to become more
[2:36] Speaker 1: taxpayers to pay for the previous amount of people who
[2:40] Speaker 1: came or were born here as they moved towards older
[2:43] Speaker 1: years and greater reliance upon things like the pension or
[2:47] Speaker 1: things like medicare well in the Turmbul Times otherwise known
[2:52] Speaker 1: as The Guardian, a really interesting report dropped while we
[2:56] Speaker 1: were keeping an eye on ourselves last night and it
[3:00] Speaker 1: is that yes, almost a majority of Australians are very
[3:03] Speaker 1: clear that they believe that climate change is something that
[3:06] Speaker 1: is caused by humans. In fact, the number is higher.
[3:10] Speaker 1: But things are citing to change now on the fundamental question,
[3:13] Speaker 1: and you know this is where I am. Fifty three
[3:16] Speaker 1: percent of people, when surveyed by the Guardian, believe that
[3:20] Speaker 1: climate change is caused by humans. That number has fallen
[3:24] Speaker 1: since twenty twenty one. Now, again the election results pretty obvious,
[3:28] Speaker 1: ninety plus seats and all the rest of it. But
[3:30] Speaker 1: how is that number falling? People who believe that there
[3:33] Speaker 1: is normal fluctuations in the weather pretty much the same,
[3:36] Speaker 1: but ever so slightly up. But really interestingly five percent
[3:40] Speaker 1: of people now sixteen percent of the population are sitting
[3:43] Speaker 1: and don't know. Now I am very surprised if there's
[3:46] Speaker 1: one subject which can tear families apart. In terms of
[3:50] Speaker 1: political conversations in and around the Christmas dinner table, it's
[3:54] Speaker 1: not likely going to be many other issues than things
[3:57] Speaker 1: like this than how big is the problem? How do
[4:01] Speaker 1: we need to deal with it? But interestingly, there is
[4:05] Speaker 1: a big shift below and inside that overall number, which
[4:09] Speaker 1: again there is still more than fifty percent of the
[4:11] Speaker 1: country believing as I do that humans you can't have
[4:14] Speaker 1: seven billion people on the planet, multiple industrial revolutions without
[4:17] Speaker 1: doing something when it comes to the environment a question.
[4:21] Speaker 1: But have a look at this because in the overall
[4:24] Speaker 1: you can see that there is a trend line. The
[4:27] Speaker 1: top line is the belief that the government is not
[4:30] Speaker 1: doing enough, but it is now starting to merge ever
[4:33] Speaker 1: so slightly, not crossover yet, but you can see the
[4:37] Speaker 1: line that's been growing is that the government is doing
[4:40] Speaker 1: too much. Let's break this down a little further again,
[4:44] Speaker 1: I just want you to be armed with information. Right
[4:46] Speaker 1: when somebody sits there at the end of the table
[4:48] Speaker 1: who you'll fully agree with or fully disagree with in
[4:50] Speaker 1: the next few weeks, well, maybe things are not as
[4:53] Speaker 1: they seem. And again, this is not a pole that's
[4:55] Speaker 1: done by some far right wing outfit or can be
[4:58] Speaker 1: dismissed as such. This was again survey turning up in
[5:01] Speaker 1: the Turmbul Times in the Guardian. It shows that forty
[5:05] Speaker 1: two percent of people in twenty twenty one believes that
[5:09] Speaker 1: we were not doing enough. That is now down to
[5:11] Speaker 1: thirty six percent of people. There's an almost even divide
[5:16] Speaker 1: about the number of people who say that we are
[5:18] Speaker 1: doing enough. And yes, if you put thirty six together
[5:21] Speaker 1: with thirty clearly again extreme majority of people happy with
[5:24] Speaker 1: where we are or believing we need to go harder. Again,
[5:27] Speaker 1: I'm not pretending that is not the numbers that you
[5:29] Speaker 1: can see. But again the number of people who think
[5:32] Speaker 1: that we are doing too much is up by five percent,
[5:35] Speaker 1: So the trend lines are interesting here. Now, again, you
[5:38] Speaker 1: can wear slice numbers in lots of different directions, and
[5:40] Speaker 1: this is not me suggesting that the position that the
[5:43] Speaker 1: coalition has taken is any sort of electoral winner at
[5:45] Speaker 1: this point. They need to argue that case over the
[5:48] Speaker 1: next few years. But up by five percent to twenty
[5:52] Speaker 1: one in five vote saying that we're doing too much
[5:55] Speaker 1: and thirteen percent of people again sitting there in don't know.
[6:00] Speaker 1: Is the bit that is going to surprise because despite
[6:03] Speaker 1: the fact that again what sixty six percent of people
[6:05] Speaker 1: say we're not doing enough or we are doing enough,
[6:08] Speaker 1: fifty three percent of people saying that humans cause climate change,
[6:12] Speaker 1: to what extent do you think the world will be
[6:14] Speaker 1: able to prevent the dangerous levels of global warming caused
[6:17] Speaker 1: by climate change? Well, thirty eight percent of people believe
[6:23] Speaker 1: that we definitely will or probably will, and it's an
[6:26] Speaker 1: almost even split at thirty five percent who believe probably
[6:31] Speaker 1: not or definitely not. Now again, as always, when you
[6:35] Speaker 1: have a look at the don't know number, you split
[6:36] Speaker 1: it in two and the definitely will, probably will still
[6:39] Speaker 1: has more people there. But we are very, very interestingly
[6:44] Speaker 1: divided about this. And we're interesting when we break it
[6:48] Speaker 1: down by age, because the older people are the more
[6:53] Speaker 1: pessimistic they are about humans, not even talking about the
[6:56] Speaker 1: one percent that is the Australian government, one percent being
[6:59] Speaker 1: the country. But there you can see significant number of
[7:02] Speaker 1: people over the fifty percent to margin believing over fifty
[7:06] Speaker 1: five that we can't do it. Once you get to
[7:09] Speaker 1: the middle of the country again slightly more than a yes,
[7:12] Speaker 1: but again basically an even balance, and it's the young
[7:15] Speaker 1: numbers whose positivity does not outweigh the numbers of those
[7:20] Speaker 1: over the age of fifty five. Again, have a look
[7:22] Speaker 1: at what you can see here again bang on fifty
[7:25] Speaker 1: percent who believe probably or definitely. And I'm throwing a
[7:29] Speaker 1: lot of numbers at you, but I'm just trying to
[7:31] Speaker 1: build a case here that the electoral result, no question
[7:36] Speaker 1: the overall result at the end of the years, that
[7:38] Speaker 1: the left side of Australian politics in terms of forty
[7:40] Speaker 1: five fifty five has now started to move up to
[7:42] Speaker 1: forty seven, forty eight sorry, fifty sorry seven or fifty eight,
[7:49] Speaker 1: and then the numbers of course pushing way back down
[7:51] Speaker 1: on the right side of politics, and supposedly men and
[7:53] Speaker 1: women have very different views on this, so this might
[7:56] Speaker 1: surprise you about whom are the ones who are more positive.
[8:00] Speaker 1: Folks are more positive about human's ability to deal with
[8:03] Speaker 1: climate change. I was absolutely surprised to see that it's
[8:07] Speaker 1: forty four percent there versus thirty three percent in terms
[8:12] Speaker 1: of female voters. In terms of the pessimism, again basically
[8:16] Speaker 1: the same, but again women more pessimistic about human's ability
[8:19] Speaker 1: to do anything about climate change as opposed to men.
[8:23] Speaker 1: And it won't surprise you when it comes to politics here.
[8:26] Speaker 1: This is the main point worth paying attention to. Those
[8:29] Speaker 1: would long argue that the coalition's position when it comes
[8:33] Speaker 1: to net zero is holding it back from its ability
[8:36] Speaker 1: to have the arm wrestle, that Australia should do something
[8:39] Speaker 1: but not everything, because we are only one percent of
[8:41] Speaker 1: the world's problem. Now. Amazingly and very interestingly, you can
[8:45] Speaker 1: see there that what forty one on the forty three
[8:49] Speaker 1: percent of labor voters don't believe definitely or probably that
[8:53] Speaker 1: humans can do anything about climate change, basically the same
[8:58] Speaker 1: number as the people in the co That's where the
[9:01] Speaker 1: people like Matt Canavan, like Barnaby Joyce, like Pauline Hanson,
[9:05] Speaker 1: believe there is political opportunity because again, if it's basically
[9:09] Speaker 1: fifty to fifty on can humans do something, well, how
[9:13] Speaker 1: much you do really matters. Interestingly, it is the independence
[9:16] Speaker 1: which obviously can represent growingly people like one nation that
[9:20] Speaker 1: are the most pessimistic about it. But if you get
[9:22] Speaker 1: told it is all one way traffic and only one
[9:25] Speaker 1: way traffic, well, again it all depends on which number
[9:27] Speaker 1: you have a look at. You can get yourself to
[9:30] Speaker 1: the highest numbers of about what sixty something percent in
[9:34] Speaker 1: terms of the recognition the problem, but about how Australia's
[9:37] Speaker 1: capacity is to deal with it and to confront it, well,
[9:40] Speaker 1: the numbers become a lot closer to fifty to fifty
[9:43] Speaker 1: or certainly both sides barely cracking the forty percents. I'd
[9:49] Speaker 1: love to know who the don't knows are. I'd love
[9:50] Speaker 1: to know where the don't knows are. I'd love to
[9:52] Speaker 1: know if they don't know's the secret Grete Thumburg's or
[9:55] Speaker 1: whether they are shy voters who don't want to be
[9:59] Speaker 1: on the wrong side of verbal history. When it comes
[10:01] Speaker 1: to these issues, all of this is interesting. All of
[10:04] Speaker 1: it's available, and I'll make sure that it is all
[10:06] Speaker 1: up sooner rather than later. On our socials go searching
[10:09] Speaker 1: for Paul Murray Live and of course the homepage of
[10:11] Speaker 1: skynews dot com dot AU. One thing that has been
[10:15] Speaker 1: happening over the past thirty years has been a huge
[10:19] Speaker 1: change in whom is doing better at school. We're talking
[10:24] Speaker 1: here about wonderful performances over the past thirty years when
[10:27] Speaker 1: generally speaking, female students are outperforming male students, and they
[10:31] Speaker 1: are doing so at record levels. Quite often, the people
[10:33] Speaker 1: that are topping the class, topping the school, topping the
[10:35] Speaker 1: state are female students. Again, no problem here, but there
[10:41] Speaker 1: has been another issue that no one wants to talk about,
[10:44] Speaker 1: which is the beginning of the underperformance at boys at school.
[10:49] Speaker 1: Julian Lisa is the shadow Education Minister and he is
[10:53] Speaker 1: I say brave because for some reason to point this
[10:57] Speaker 1: out is interpreted to some sort of reverse sexism or sexism.
[11:01] Speaker 1: Of course it's not. It's just saying, hey, the system
[11:03] Speaker 1: should work like basically fifty to fifty. There shouldn't be
[11:06] Speaker 1: disproportionate results. Well, he wants to have an inquiry into
[11:10] Speaker 1: boys education and demands universities in particular, do some soul searching.
[11:14] Speaker 1: I'll save you from the morality stuff in and around universities,
[11:19] Speaker 1: and let's just focus in on the performance of boys
[11:21] Speaker 1: in primary and high school. Mister Lisa said that he
[11:24] Speaker 1: was worried that boys could be left behind by our
[11:26] Speaker 1: education system. I'm concerned about trends and outcomes we've been
[11:30] Speaker 1: seeing in relation to education for boys. Boys are trailing
[11:34] Speaker 1: girls in every Naplan literacy assignment, from reading, writing, spelling, grammar, punctuation.
[11:39] Speaker 1: In every age group. Average achievement of boys falls short
[11:44] Speaker 1: of girls in every Naplan domain except numeracy. By year nine.
[11:50] Speaker 1: In writing, there is a thirty seven point gap between
[11:54] Speaker 1: the performance of boys and girls, which roughly equates to
[11:57] Speaker 1: one to two years of learning. He said. The gap
[12:01] Speaker 1: exists and is exacerbated sometimes in higher education as well.
[12:06] Speaker 1: I say, bravo. Now again, I don't care if it's
[12:09] Speaker 1: a boy or a girl who ends up topping the class,
[12:11] Speaker 1: topping the subject, topping the school, topping the state. That's
[12:13] Speaker 1: not what I'm talking about here. And perhaps we haven't
[12:16] Speaker 1: talked about this or maybe had the courage to talk
[12:19] Speaker 1: about it, because the assumption is is that the past
[12:21] Speaker 1: thirty years is some sort of correction for the previous
[12:24] Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty. But the reality is that, of
[12:27] Speaker 1: course for the best part of thirty years, you're talking
[12:30] Speaker 1: about two full cycles and more of boys going from
[12:34] Speaker 1: CA to twelve who are starting to fall behind. What
[12:39] Speaker 1: is it about the way that we educate? What is
[12:41] Speaker 1: it about the way that we learn? What is it
[12:43] Speaker 1: about the way that we encourage? What is it about
[12:45] Speaker 1: the way that we discourage that is providing this disparity? Again,
[12:50] Speaker 1: who tops the class is irrelevant. Good luck to those
[12:53] Speaker 1: that are the hard workers and the smart ones that
[12:55] Speaker 1: are at the front of the bus. But for those
[12:57] Speaker 1: that are at the middle to the back, it matters
[13:00] Speaker 1: because such basic skills are necessary no matter what you
[13:04] Speaker 1: plan for your life, no matter how meaning you imagine
[13:08] Speaker 1: the job to be, no matter how white collar and
[13:11] Speaker 1: middle performing you may end up being, these things matter.
[13:15] Speaker 1: Julian Lisa, I think is onto something. I'm trying to
[13:17] Speaker 1: talk to him in the next of a while, now
[13:19] Speaker 1: that Parliament is done for the year. And speaking of
[13:24] Speaker 1: of course, in our parliament it is filled with people
[13:27] Speaker 1: who write the laws, tell us how to behave, and
[13:29] Speaker 1: sometimes think that they are our moral and intellectual others.
[13:35] Speaker 1: So we have another example here about other people's money,
[13:37] Speaker 1: about how they spend the cash you give them, not
[13:41] Speaker 1: by choice. When it comes to socials, we know about
[13:44] Speaker 1: the burgeoning amount of people who always get pay rises
[13:47] Speaker 1: in our political class. We also know that they have
[13:51] Speaker 1: staff paid for by the taxpayer to create those dumb
[13:53] Speaker 1: social media videos which treat everyone like they're watching a
[13:56] Speaker 1: kid show as opposed to adults who wrote the laws
[14:00] Speaker 1: and set the rules that we all have to live under.
[14:04] Speaker 1: And somebody who is pretty popular when it comes to
[14:07] Speaker 1: the perception, at least of popularity about the future of
[14:10] Speaker 1: politics is Australia's youngest politician, the youngest senator in the Parliament,
[14:15] Speaker 1: Charlotte Walker. Because the Labour Pardy did so well at
[14:17] Speaker 1: the last election, the twenty one year old made it
[14:20] Speaker 1: and is now a senator for the next six years.
[14:23] Speaker 1: So how's she spending your money? World under the Daily
[14:27] Speaker 1: Mail for dipping into this, Australia's youngest senator, Charlotte Walker,
[14:31] Speaker 1: just twenty one, has come under fire after racking up
[14:33] Speaker 1: seventy eight thousand dollars in expenses over the past just
[14:36] Speaker 1: three months. This is despite the fact that she's already
[14:38] Speaker 1: getting two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year in salary. Now,
[14:42] Speaker 1: remember the flight's the stationary. The everything else, the cars
[14:45] Speaker 1: doesn't come out of her wage. It comes out of
[14:47] Speaker 1: the other special budget. Yes, she's got a bit of
[14:49] Speaker 1: travel because she's a Senator from South Australia. But seventy
[14:52] Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars figures that have been released by the
[14:55] Speaker 1: Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority show that Walker's two largest costs
[14:59] Speaker 1: between Alliance September were for office facilities as if there
[15:04] Speaker 1: wasn't a Senator from South Australia before, of which was
[15:06] Speaker 1: renting something and had some copy paper left over, and
[15:10] Speaker 1: that came in at twenty nine thousand, seven hundred and
[15:12] Speaker 1: thirty six dollars at employee travel for four four of
[15:16] Speaker 1: her staff. She's a backbencher. She not an assistant anything.
[15:19] Speaker 1: She's a backbencher. Remember one of these staff or all
[15:22] Speaker 1: of this stuff is about making social media videos with
[15:24] Speaker 1: her and all of that and the cost of in
[15:26] Speaker 1: terms of employee travel twenty seven thousand dollars. There are
[15:30] Speaker 1: others and they have spent way more, including Jess Collins,
[15:34] Speaker 1: Kara Cook, Madonna Jarrett Compare Walker's seventy eight thousand, six
[15:40] Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars that she is spending compared to
[15:45] Speaker 1: the first term Liberal Senator Jess Collins, she has spent
[15:48] Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars. So Charlotte Walker,
[15:53] Speaker 1: who's just twenty one, made your eyes roll? What about
[15:56] Speaker 1: the first term Liberal senator one hundred and thirty five
[15:58] Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Other newcomers also posted pretty significant figures. Again,
[16:04] Speaker 1: all of these people represent either seats or Senate spots
[16:08] Speaker 1: that already had offices, already had paper leftover, already had
[16:11] Speaker 1: a few highlighters in the cupboard. First term labor MP
[16:16] Speaker 1: Kara Cook and Madonna Jarrett claimed one hundred and eighty
[16:19] Speaker 1: two thousand dollars in part to help set up brand
[16:22] Speaker 1: new offices one hundred and thirty two thousand dollars. Respectfully, Thankfully,
[16:27] Speaker 1: not everyone's got the snout all the way in Claire Chandler,
[16:30] Speaker 1: who of course has to travel from Tasmania which often
[16:33] Speaker 1: is not direct flights to Canberra, and the bloke who
[16:35] Speaker 1: already lives in the act. Claire Chandler claimed just sixty
[16:39] Speaker 1: two thousand dollars. Compare that to again Queensland Lower House
[16:45] Speaker 1: MPs like Kara Cook at one hundred and eighty two
[16:47] Speaker 1: thousand dollars, David Pocock sixty five thousand dollars. It is
[16:52] Speaker 1: just other people's money. And despite the fact that all
[16:55] Speaker 1: of those numbers are bewildering, all of those numbers make
[16:57] Speaker 1: your rye roll. All of those numbers annoy you because
[16:59] Speaker 1: you don't get that free perk. They just pay it,
[17:01] Speaker 1: they just spend it, and they just peddle it as
[17:03] Speaker 1: hard as they can against the wall. Why because no
[17:05] Speaker 1: one will ever call them out. Why because everyone's in
[17:07] Speaker 1: the club. And remember when twenty one year olds have
[17:12] Speaker 1: four staffers including themselves, making it five. There are five
[17:16] Speaker 1: people in the office who we're focused on making those
[17:18] Speaker 1: terrible social media videos which are about talking to everyone
[17:22] Speaker 1: like their kid. Show hosts will show you some of
[17:25] Speaker 1: the worst of what was happening while you were working
[17:27] Speaker 1: a little bit later in the show. Speaking of other
[17:30] Speaker 1: people's money, what about this at Australian University is going
[17:33] Speaker 1: to get half a million bucks for what purpose? To
[17:37] Speaker 1: insert dreamtime stories into culturally respectful space policy. Now this
[17:44] Speaker 1: comes up all the time when you know what research
[17:48] Speaker 1: has been funded or overfunded. The weird staff normally has
[17:51] Speaker 1: some sort of explanation where they're going, Well, why A
[17:52] Speaker 1: you're spending two hundred thousand dollars looking at bees? Well,
[17:55] Speaker 1: because bees and agricultural But the cultural elements of Australia's
[18:00] Speaker 1: space program Again I read from the Daily Marl the
[18:04] Speaker 1: RBN EASY government has awarded our university more than half
[18:06] Speaker 1: a million dollars to weave Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander
[18:09] Speaker 1: knowledge into Australian space policy. The Australian Research Council has
[18:14] Speaker 1: revealed the lad's recipients of its one hundred and three
[18:17] Speaker 1: million dollar discovery funding for early career researchers. Among the
[18:20] Speaker 1: progests now flush with government cash is one run by
[18:24] Speaker 1: University in Newcastle five hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars.
[18:28] Speaker 1: Her study aims to quote broad in Australian's understanding of
[18:31] Speaker 1: space by recognizing long held indigenous knowledge systems and their
[18:34] Speaker 1: relevance to sustainable human activity beyond Earth. What now I
[18:40] Speaker 1: don't even know if Bruce Pasco has gone this far,
[18:43] Speaker 1: suggesting that there is a different way of looking at
[18:46] Speaker 1: what happens in the stars and how to get there.
[18:49] Speaker 1: What rockets you should use. But learning from song lines,
[18:52] Speaker 1: creation stories and deep cultural connections between people in sky Country,
[18:58] Speaker 1: the research will develop inter cultural guidelines to help inform
[19:03] Speaker 1: space policy, public education and indusdue practice. And I bet
[19:09] Speaker 1: there's people right now just looking around the room saying,
[19:11] Speaker 1: what are all of those words that he just said?
[19:14] Speaker 1: Now again I get it. There are ways that things
[19:17] Speaker 1: have been done, populations that have their connections thousands of
[19:20] Speaker 1: years in Okay, all of these things at times need
[19:23] Speaker 1: to be brought together. There might be a better way
[19:25] Speaker 1: of fire management or perhaps river cleanliness, but space, I mean,
[19:31] Speaker 1: what is the Australian government's policy and how does it
[19:33] Speaker 1: take half a minion bucks for this sliver of it
[19:36] Speaker 1: to be discussed? Of course, to merely say any of
[19:40] Speaker 1: this will result in the usual complaints good luck. If
[19:43] Speaker 1: you wish, you can send me an email paulitsgonews dot
[19:45] Speaker 1: com dot au. As we were celebrating those fifteen years
[19:49] Speaker 1: last night, and again thank you very much. Inflation back up,
[19:52] Speaker 1: the cost of remaining a massive issue for how many
[19:55] Speaker 1: shows have we sat here and talked about it? Yet
[19:58] Speaker 1: the election results seem to suggest that people thought that
[20:00] Speaker 1: the government had more solutions and in part because yes,
[20:03] Speaker 1: one of the problems of the Libs of the last
[20:04] Speaker 1: election was that they didn't have They knew what the
[20:06] Speaker 1: problem was, but what was the solution to it. Well,
[20:09] Speaker 1: as you know, inflation up again. This is after it
[20:12] Speaker 1: was up last month, after it was up the month before,
[20:16] Speaker 1: and we are now at a year long high. Remember,
[20:20] Speaker 1: if it has a two in front of it good,
[20:22] Speaker 1: If it has a three in front of it bad,
[20:25] Speaker 1: Why because of course it has problems when it comes
[20:27] Speaker 1: to the Reserve Bank. But inflation is on the rise
[20:30] Speaker 1: and it is big news.
[20:33] Speaker 2: The latest monthly inflation data has just been released and
[20:36] Speaker 2: it's a significant shift from quarterly reporting.
[20:39] Speaker 1: Hopes Australia had turned the corner on inflation have been dashed.
[20:43] Speaker 3: Tidings of comfort and joy in the lead up to Christmas.
[20:46] Speaker 3: New data today revealing a spike in inflation.
[20:50] Speaker 1: What went up? Everything? Now again it's what six months
[20:56] Speaker 1: since the election, meaning two and a half years, meaning
[20:58] Speaker 1: they'll pull something out of the rabbit hole before the
[21:01] Speaker 1: next election. But in the meantime, as you can see here,
[21:04] Speaker 1: virtually every little indecease, it's gone up and by a
[21:07] Speaker 1: significant margin. But nothing to see here. We've turned the corner.
[21:10] Speaker 1: We'll remember we hit the absolute peak. And what about
[21:12] Speaker 1: the government today saying well, you've forgotten this thing called COVID.
[21:16] Speaker 1: Well yeah, you guys have too, pretending that inflotion out
[21:20] Speaker 1: of sixtion in front of it. Now it has a
[21:21] Speaker 1: three in front of it. Yeah, well yeah, that was COVID.
[21:23] Speaker 1: But why is it going back up again? Oh that's
[21:26] Speaker 1: right because of power prices. Why because you have a
[21:28] Speaker 1: commitment of trying to get us to at least eighty
[21:30] Speaker 1: something percent when it comes to renewable energy that costs
[21:34] Speaker 1: hundreds of millions, hundreds of billions, I should say, to
[21:36] Speaker 1: actually build. And the results this is power prices and
[21:39] Speaker 1: the increase since October last year to October this year
[21:45] Speaker 1: down forty percent, up forty percent. Do the maths. That
[21:48] Speaker 1: is a massive turnaround. But of course, if you ask
[21:51] Speaker 1: blackout boy, nothing to see here.
[21:54] Speaker 4: The cheapest, most reliable form of energy for Australians, and
[21:57] Speaker 4: that of course is renewable energy.
[21:59] Speaker 5: Renewables the cheapest form of energy.
[22:01] Speaker 1: Cheap energy price is going forward.
[22:03] Speaker 6: Renewable energy is incredibly cheap.
[22:06] Speaker 1: Now I mentioned I want to talk about crime and
[22:08] Speaker 1: how crime stats can be spun. Now The reality is
[22:12] Speaker 1: is that there are hundreds of thousands of people who
[22:14] Speaker 1: have been victims of crime this year who were not
[22:17] Speaker 1: victims of crime last year. They may well be inside
[22:20] Speaker 1: those hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands of people who
[22:23] Speaker 1: have never been the victim of a crime but are.
[22:27] Speaker 1: But there are plenty of people who try to tell
[22:28] Speaker 1: us nothing to see here, or it's all kind of
[22:30] Speaker 1: the same. In New South Wales, a weird thing came
[22:34] Speaker 1: out today where yes, well this was the headline. This
[22:38] Speaker 1: was the first paragraph of the story. People in New
[22:41] Speaker 1: South Wales are less likely to be murdered, robbed or
[22:43] Speaker 1: assaulted than most other parts of Australian new data suggests,
[22:47] Speaker 1: but sexual assault and domestic violence remains subbornly high. How
[22:50] Speaker 1: did we get that story because the Bureau of Crime
[22:54] Speaker 1: Statistics and Research BOSCAR in New South Wales put out
[22:59] Speaker 1: this report and it literally was like a good old
[23:02] Speaker 1: fashioned high school science report, you know, aim method result conclusion.
[23:08] Speaker 1: The conclusion was that overall, the analysis demonstrates the crime
[23:12] Speaker 1: rates in New South Wales are generally low compared to
[23:17] Speaker 1: other Australian states and territories. Sexual assault rates in New
[23:20] Speaker 1: South Wales remain the main area of concern. These findings
[23:23] Speaker 1: suggest that while New South Wales is generally safer than
[23:27] Speaker 1: anywhere else in Australia, ongoing attention to sexual assault prevention
[23:31] Speaker 1: and support is warranted. So the spin here was, hey,
[23:35] Speaker 1: New soubis is better because we've worked out the per
[23:38] Speaker 1: capita and slide there and carry the one and you know,
[23:41] Speaker 1: lean this way to Venus and we got a number
[23:44] Speaker 1: that says New South Wales is safer than other places. Well,
[23:47] Speaker 1: of course, if you're in regional in New South Wales,
[23:49] Speaker 1: do you feel safer than New Worksworld months ago? If
[23:52] Speaker 1: you're living on the outskirts of any major town, or
[23:54] Speaker 1: maybe even in town, do you feel that you are
[23:58] Speaker 1: safer than your worksweld months ago? You know it. But
[24:01] Speaker 1: I want to show you how, in part they get
[24:03] Speaker 1: to these perceptions about nothing to see here when it
[24:06] Speaker 1: comes to crime. You see, firstly they release reports like
[24:10] Speaker 1: this where they only show the quarterly figures when it
[24:13] Speaker 1: comes to crime, that of course being every three months,
[24:16] Speaker 1: not a twelve month picture. It is there, but you
[24:19] Speaker 1: have to really go looking for it. And even then
[24:22] Speaker 1: they turn around and use terms like and you don't
[24:24] Speaker 1: have to read every staty here. I just want to
[24:26] Speaker 1: show you the columns on the next page. The first
[24:28] Speaker 1: column type of crime, second, the two year trends stable stable, stable, stable, stable, stable,
[24:33] Speaker 1: stables notice stable stable, stable, stable, stable stable. Because it
[24:37] Speaker 1: wasn't up by enough and it wasn't down by enough.
[24:39] Speaker 1: So essentially there's no big change in lots of various
[24:41] Speaker 1: lots of crime, but there's all kind of normal. You
[24:44] Speaker 1: compare it to other places. You carry the one and
[24:45] Speaker 1: you move the two. Guess what, everything's fine. Well, here's
[24:49] Speaker 1: the actual reality of crime in New South Wales. There
[24:53] Speaker 1: were thirty eight thousand, one hundred and sixty nine domestic
[24:58] Speaker 1: violence a sign, thirty four thousand non domestic violent assaults.
[25:03] Speaker 1: There are two thousand, six hundred and fifty five times
[25:07] Speaker 1: that police were assaulted. That means domestic violence one hundred
[25:11] Speaker 1: and four victims a day, non domestic violence ninety four
[25:15] Speaker 1: victims a day, and seven police every single day from
[25:21] Speaker 1: April Fools Day to Easter Monday to Boxing Day to
[25:26] Speaker 1: Lunar New Year, Cyber Monday and Black Friday. Seven police
[25:31] Speaker 1: officers every single day in New South Wales are assaulted.
[25:34] Speaker 1: The crime stats because it's not a little up and
[25:36] Speaker 1: it's not a little down. It's stable and compared to
[25:38] Speaker 1: the rate and other places where safe. Does anyone think
[25:41] Speaker 1: that one hundred and four people being the victims of
[25:43] Speaker 1: domestic violence, ninety four non domestic or seven police officers
[25:47] Speaker 1: being bashed up is fine or stable? What about forty
[25:51] Speaker 1: eight thousand, seven hundred and six people who are the
[25:56] Speaker 1: victims of intimidation, stalking, or harassment. That's one hundred and
[25:59] Speaker 1: thirty three a day, eighteen thousand break and enters into
[26:04] Speaker 1: a home, fourteen thousand dollars off, fourteen thousand instances of
[26:08] Speaker 1: stuff being stolen from a car, sorry, car's being stolen
[26:12] Speaker 1: fourteen thousand stuff being stolen from a car twenty five thousand,
[26:15] Speaker 1: fifty forty sixty nine per day. Nothing to see here,
[26:21] Speaker 1: Plenty to see here, plenty wrong. So again, it might
[26:26] Speaker 1: be the safest state in the country, and the crime
[26:28] Speaker 1: right may be stable, But when football stadium after football
[26:31] Speaker 1: stadium after football stadium of these types of crimes are
[26:34] Speaker 1: being committed, it ain't okay in any way, shape or form.
[26:41] Speaker 1: As it should be with domestic violence, as it should
[26:43] Speaker 1: be with sexual assault, as it should be with every
[26:45] Speaker 1: other crime. The goal should be zero. Reality is because
[26:48] Speaker 1: people choose to break the law, you will never get
[26:51] Speaker 1: to that number. But as soon as we start telling everything,
[26:54] Speaker 1: telling people everything's okay, look the other way, it's all okay. Well,
[26:57] Speaker 1: guess what we're going to kid ourselves that things are
[27:00] Speaker 1: better than what they actually seem. All right, let's try
[27:04] Speaker 1: to move from that with giggle, which is what happened
[27:07] Speaker 1: while you were working today. How the people who write
[27:10] Speaker 1: the laws spend your money, spend money on themselves, lavish
[27:14] Speaker 1: themselves with staffers, turn themselves into Sherby's for ugly people,
[27:17] Speaker 1: and stars on social media. And this been the last
[27:20] Speaker 1: day of parliament for the year, Let's take a little
[27:22] Speaker 1: longer to talk about MPs, your money, your time talking
[27:27] Speaker 1: about music day. What shit are you rocking?
[27:32] Speaker 6: Don'pe lemon fantastic band. My favorite track is Salt Pepper.
[27:35] Speaker 1: Tell me what shit you're rocking?
[27:36] Speaker 7: I am rocking the Helen Ready T shirt and she's
[27:39] Speaker 7: saying I am woman.
[27:41] Speaker 1: Hear any rah? What about the labor MP who mentions
[27:46] Speaker 1: medicare more often than she does anyone who lives in
[27:48] Speaker 1: her electorate? This well, this well full time job right
[28:01] Speaker 1: now again, because these are all the back benches that
[28:03] Speaker 1: are right the laws. They just go in yay nay,
[28:05] Speaker 1: yay nay. Oh great, great response in question time Minister
[28:09] Speaker 1: World on Prime Minister. This is what they do with
[28:11] Speaker 1: their day and they've be given extra staff to do it.
[28:15] Speaker 1: Same MP just banging home labor party messages.
[28:19] Speaker 7: Kay, yeah, student debt, we're running twenty percent of student debt.
[28:30] Speaker 1: And then this one who I mentioned before about how
[28:33] Speaker 1: much money they spent taxpayers money setting up new offices
[28:36] Speaker 1: and on travel expenses, a little of the higher end
[28:39] Speaker 1: of things than the lower end of things. And of
[28:41] Speaker 1: course it's vital because she has to make social media
[28:43] Speaker 1: videos like this.
[28:50] Speaker 6: In the word.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Thankfully parliament is over, but it will not stop the videos.
[28:56] Speaker 1: Nothing will stop the videos because again it's their way
[29:00] Speaker 1: of working around the media. Pump pump pump certain messages.
[29:03] Speaker 1: And again what I find ridiculous about it is that
[29:05] Speaker 1: this takes away from actual constituent work. But of course,
[29:09] Speaker 1: again Showby's for ugly people. They love it. Let's talk
[29:13] Speaker 1: about Barnaby Joyce. He jumps out of the Nazi, goes independent.
[29:16] Speaker 1: Of course he'll end up in one nation. The ghost
[29:19] Speaker 1: was back in Canberra today. Oh that's right, we don't
[29:22] Speaker 1: talk about him on the show. I will not mention
[29:24] Speaker 1: the ghost for the rest of the show. That's his mention.
[29:27] Speaker 1: That's it, or in a set it's special. Shout out
[29:33] Speaker 1: to my good mate Jonathan Lee. He has been working
[29:36] Speaker 1: on and insight into the crime crisis, specifically in Victoria.
[29:41] Speaker 1: So bouncing on from what we were saying before about
[29:43] Speaker 1: the nothing to see here, well, of course there's plenty
[29:45] Speaker 1: of sy here. It's not because it's a political issue.
[29:48] Speaker 1: It's because it is a safety issue in our communities.
[29:51] Speaker 1: All right, So Jonathan Lee special program out of Control
[29:56] Speaker 1: Victoria's Crime Crisis. That'll be airing seven point thirty Sunday night,
[30:00] Speaker 1: seven point thirty Sunday night. We'll be watching it into
[30:02] Speaker 1: Chuka before we get ready for our show at nine o'clock.
[30:05] Speaker 1: All right. Roscadell is a center from Miss Wiles with
[30:08] Speaker 1: the National Party Joe hilde Brand. While his purview is
[30:10] Speaker 1: from just coast to the hemisphere. To Heavis, it's just
[30:14] Speaker 1: the member everywhere you are, aren't you. So Barnaby Joyce
[30:17] Speaker 1: does the obvious, which is time to break up with
[30:19] Speaker 1: the National Party. So sorry to the members, but of
[30:23] Speaker 1: course clearly he's not happy that he has been put
[30:25] Speaker 1: at the back of the bus was told apparently by
[30:27] Speaker 1: Peter Dudden, not once but twice on the behalf of
[30:30] Speaker 1: David Little Proud not to recontest the previous election. He
[30:34] Speaker 1: now goes off to being an independent, but we think
[30:36] Speaker 1: that might just be a transit stop on his way
[30:38] Speaker 1: inevitably to one nation. This is what he said today.
[30:42] Speaker 8: The world's changed. Politics has changed, way people get media's changed.
[30:45] Speaker 8: Your job's changed. You know, they're going online. It's differents
[30:48] Speaker 8: echo chambers. And he can't rage against it and say,
[30:51] Speaker 8: oh well, they're all going to come back and read
[30:53] Speaker 8: broadsheets and that's it. It's all changed and you can
[30:55] Speaker 8: either change with it or get run over.
[30:57] Speaker 1: By Now he's right because we don't live in a
[31:01] Speaker 1: world of coke or pepsi. You can have iced tea
[31:03] Speaker 1: or sparkling. You live in a world of Boba tea.
[31:07] Speaker 1: Well correct, And Joe, you know I always think about
[31:08] Speaker 1: this just as a metaphor, right, Like you remember when
[31:11] Speaker 1: you were little and maybe too little by a parent
[31:14] Speaker 1: to say, mate, can you go into the back of
[31:16] Speaker 1: the cool for each and just pick a two e's
[31:18] Speaker 1: or this or that. But now you walk into a
[31:20] Speaker 1: bottle shop and there's a trillion different options right politically
[31:23] Speaker 1: that is starting to happen. Obviously for Barnaby Joyce, a
[31:26] Speaker 1: future anywhere near a representation higher than being a backbencher
[31:31] Speaker 1: in the National Party was over. I'll give you the
[31:35] Speaker 1: reason why I think now is the time. But why
[31:37] Speaker 1: do you think now is the time?
[31:38] Speaker 5: I think Barnaby is only useful and I mean this
[31:42] Speaker 5: is the greatest of respect as a Maverick, that's his role.
[31:46] Speaker 5: And the problem is if you live in an age,
[31:48] Speaker 5: as he says, where politics is more populist and Maverick
[31:52] Speaker 5: has become kind of the new mainstream, then you've got
[31:56] Speaker 5: to be more Maverick than Maverick and quite frankly, sitting
[31:59] Speaker 5: around on the back bench of the National Party just
[32:01] Speaker 5: doesn't cut it. It was very useful for him to
[32:04] Speaker 5: be able to do that when one nation was at
[32:06] Speaker 5: a much lower EBB, you know, twenty years ago, and
[32:10] Speaker 5: he you know, as we know, he got into parliament.
[32:13] Speaker 5: He wasn't really meant to get into parliament. He was
[32:14] Speaker 5: meant to be on an unwinnable spot on the Queensland
[32:17] Speaker 5: Senate ticket, but Mark Latham decided to have a handshake
[32:20] Speaker 5: and resulted in coalition winning the majority in a Senate
[32:25] Speaker 5: and Barnaby crossed the floor. I think in the two
[32:27] Speaker 5: years he was there before the two thousand and seven election,
[32:30] Speaker 5: something like nineteen times, just about everything from VSU to
[32:34] Speaker 5: work choices. The lot obviously read the room well and
[32:37] Speaker 5: work choices as it turned out. So but now you know,
[32:42] Speaker 5: now obviously one nation is back, other populous right wing
[32:45] Speaker 5: parties are back, and Barnaby has to decide, all right, well,
[32:49] Speaker 5: am I with the kind of people? Which is a
[32:52] Speaker 5: bit of a misnomer because the vast majority of people
[32:55] Speaker 5: are not with those parties? But you know, am I
[32:58] Speaker 5: a Maverick and a Maverick party? Or do I just
[33:00] Speaker 5: continue to sit around twiddling my thumbs? The national leadership
[33:04] Speaker 5: is ignoring me. So all the power he used to
[33:06] Speaker 5: be listened to then he rose to the top, Now
[33:08] Speaker 5: he doesn't have that anymore. So he looks impotent, which
[33:10] Speaker 5: is the worst thing in Maverick can look like. And
[33:13] Speaker 5: you know, so he sort of has to do this thing.
[33:15] Speaker 5: But you know, sooner or later, if he keeps trying
[33:20] Speaker 5: to outflank the latest kind of person on the right,
[33:23] Speaker 5: then he's going to end up in a.
[33:25] Speaker 1: Clearly ridiculous situation.
[33:26] Speaker 5: So what do you do it? We could have claimed
[33:28] Speaker 5: credit for getting the Nats and that zero and said
[33:30] Speaker 5: thank you very much, did that for you? Just a
[33:33] Speaker 5: reminder I'm here.
[33:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[33:34] Speaker 5: I think it's a shame that he's going.
[33:35] Speaker 1: I'm with Matt Canavan. Yeah. I mean again, Ross, this
[33:38] Speaker 1: is a person who you know in arm and arm
[33:40] Speaker 1: within battle, wearing the same jersey. Are you pissed off
[33:44] Speaker 1: tonight that the guy that was part of the team,
[33:47] Speaker 1: part of the wins, part of the losses, is now
[33:49] Speaker 1: going to end up probably on a team that's very
[33:52] Speaker 1: happy to eat the National's lunch.
[33:55] Speaker 9: I'm honestly more sad than anything else. You know, this
[33:57] Speaker 9: is a guy that I worked in campaigns twenty sixteen
[34:00] Speaker 9: and twenty seventeen with him up in Tamworth. I probably
[34:03] Speaker 9: wouldn't be here if it wasn't for my work on
[34:05] Speaker 9: those things and as many things, many things. Like Joe said,
[34:08] Speaker 9: it's how does he position himself to make himself relevant.
[34:12] Speaker 9: I think there's some argument here that the legacy that
[34:15] Speaker 9: he would have had in the National Party by staying
[34:17] Speaker 9: is really damaged, if not destroyed, by this, and that
[34:19] Speaker 9: makes me sad. I'm sad for our party that we've
[34:22] Speaker 9: lost someone like him. I'm sad for Barnaby that he
[34:24] Speaker 9: won't be held in the same esteem as some of
[34:26] Speaker 9: our previous leaders. And is this an argument for a
[34:29] Speaker 9: time that what do you do when you're late fifties,
[34:33] Speaker 9: you've got a couple of kids in a family, You've
[34:35] Speaker 9: been deputy prime minister of this nation. You know, I
[34:37] Speaker 9: hate to say the snouts in trosts and everything like this.
[34:40] Speaker 9: Is he the argument again for parliamentary pensions for these
[34:43] Speaker 9: long terms high ranking people that can't go out and
[34:46] Speaker 9: get a job elsewhere and look at these things.
[34:48] Speaker 1: It's just a sad day.
[34:49] Speaker 9: I think that anyone that rubs their hands and says
[34:51] Speaker 9: is a good thing for Barnaby a good thing for
[34:52] Speaker 9: us is not real. But equally, you know, the history
[34:57] Speaker 9: of one nation and their long term lilationships people like
[35:00] Speaker 9: Mark Lathan people in the state seats hasn't been great.
[35:04] Speaker 9: And I just really feel that there could be a
[35:06] Speaker 9: blowout in the next two years or the six years
[35:08] Speaker 9: after that if he chooses to go in the Senate
[35:10] Speaker 9: and he diminishes even more so. It's a sad thing.
[35:13] Speaker 9: I think Barnaby's have been some one of the greatest
[35:16] Speaker 9: retail politicians I've ever worked with, probably I've ever worked with,
[35:20] Speaker 9: and I can't rejoice that he's gone. But equally, I
[35:23] Speaker 9: think the NATS are in a really good spot. I
[35:24] Speaker 9: think we're kicking some goals. I think nuclear we led
[35:27] Speaker 9: the Voice, we led zero. We had a really strong
[35:30] Speaker 9: party in recently working with Matt and I on that.
[35:33] Speaker 9: And I don't know why he had to go. And
[35:36] Speaker 9: more on the way out of the door, I don't
[35:37] Speaker 9: know why he kicked a bit saying that no leader
[35:39] Speaker 9: had phoned him and looked after him. After he said
[35:41] Speaker 9: why he had to go, he just said, you know,
[35:45] Speaker 9: no one reached out to me. He asked to be
[35:47] Speaker 9: left alone and given some space. We did that for him.
[35:49] Speaker 9: It was hard, and it's just as it is.
[35:52] Speaker 1: Look, I think about the timing around all of this.
[35:54] Speaker 1: I don't know this from anything inside. It's just the
[35:56] Speaker 1: observation and remembering there's a big change that happens July.
[36:00] Speaker 1: I won next year, and that is the beginning of
[36:02] Speaker 1: the fundraising changes. Right, So presumably a person is eminent
[36:07] Speaker 1: and the ability to fundraise that is one of the
[36:09] Speaker 1: big assets that you bring to a new political Party,
[36:12] Speaker 1: So I would assume by July the first of next year.
[36:14] Speaker 1: They may will be the announcement when it comes to
[36:16] Speaker 1: one nation. But look, I think Barnaby will be great
[36:19] Speaker 1: in the Senate when he gets there. I think it'll
[36:22] Speaker 1: be more strength to one Nation's arm in the Senate,
[36:24] Speaker 1: which I'm more than happy with. But yeah, just the
[36:27] Speaker 1: fundraising side of things part of the picture worth talking about,
[36:30] Speaker 1: all right, Joe. Yes, Australians don't like public servants right,
[36:34] Speaker 1: Why because the assumption is the job is more secure,
[36:38] Speaker 1: the superannuation is bigger, the ability to lose your job
[36:42] Speaker 1: far lower than the average bear right.
[36:43] Speaker 5: And also I think tax office employees have a right
[36:47] Speaker 5: to clock off at four fifty seven, the four fifty
[36:49] Speaker 5: three instead five o'clock.
[36:51] Speaker 1: Now, technically it's part of the public service. Theoretically could
[36:54] Speaker 1: be I.
[36:55] Speaker 5: Love the tax office, by the way, don't want me.
[36:57] Speaker 5: I am defending you on that.
[36:59] Speaker 1: Could be a police officer at the state level or
[37:01] Speaker 1: a soldier at the federal But but the size of
[37:04] Speaker 1: the federal public services up by twenty four percent, all right,
[37:09] Speaker 1: And we know at the last election the mere conversation
[37:12] Speaker 1: about going backwards was just a disgraceful suggestion, But at
[37:16] Speaker 1: what point is the growing of government? Well, always great
[37:19] Speaker 1: for those who believe in the triangle of dependency and
[37:23] Speaker 1: the political theory around it, but how is thisly better
[37:26] Speaker 1: served by that sort of a surgeon won't.
[37:28] Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think you've nailed it when you sort
[37:30] Speaker 5: of said, we have to remember that public servants are
[37:33] Speaker 5: not just carding and wearing bureaucrats who sit in offices
[37:36] Speaker 5: and you know, stop forms from being produces a lot
[37:39] Speaker 5: of them, a lot of them, maybe, but they are
[37:40] Speaker 5: also soldiers who, you know, I put their lives in
[37:43] Speaker 5: the line, cops who do the same thing here, nurses,
[37:46] Speaker 5: teachers and Australia generally love those kinds of employees and
[37:50] Speaker 5: they really respect them, but they don't think of them
[37:52] Speaker 5: as public servants. If you're talking about things like bureaucrats, though,
[37:55] Speaker 5: I think there is always a tendency, and it's almost
[37:58] Speaker 5: baked into the that it's baked into the structure in
[38:01] Speaker 5: a sense where there is a disincentive, there is a
[38:04] Speaker 5: built in disincentive to actually cut the money that you
[38:09] Speaker 5: spend on your employees and your organization, because then, of
[38:13] Speaker 5: course you get less money allocated to you. In the
[38:16] Speaker 5: next budget. And so you have this perverse thing where
[38:18] Speaker 5: people will say, no, no, we need more money. We're
[38:20] Speaker 5: under resourced and we need to you know, we need
[38:23] Speaker 5: more fund strength. And if there is no and that's right,
[38:26] Speaker 5: and if you do not have someone and labor can
[38:28] Speaker 5: do this treasure of Michael Costa was very good at
[38:32] Speaker 5: demanding that there be caps on public service pay increases
[38:36] Speaker 5: unless they will link to productivity. And I think, I
[38:39] Speaker 5: actually think that is a way to go, and the
[38:40] Speaker 5: Libs obviously picked up on that during the ten years
[38:43] Speaker 5: they were here in New South Wales. But I think
[38:45] Speaker 5: unless you do keep a really tight rain on it
[38:49] Speaker 5: is it is built to kind of expand it is
[38:52] Speaker 5: built to grow. Because it doesn't have the same market pressures,
[38:56] Speaker 5: it will not sort of correct itself the way a
[38:58] Speaker 5: private enterprise will. So I love it when when labor
[39:02] Speaker 5: does this. I love it when it labor does anything
[39:04] Speaker 5: to the right and out there a slash though.
[39:10] Speaker 6: Jobs.
[39:10] Speaker 1: You're right, God love you all right. Ross environmental laws,
[39:14] Speaker 1: they will be confirmed. Why because the Greens are on board.
[39:17] Speaker 1: What is an example of something that's in the law
[39:19] Speaker 1: that's kind of making you nervous about where we go
[39:21] Speaker 1: in the next couple of years before inevitably they'll have
[39:24] Speaker 1: to wind it back.
[39:26] Speaker 9: Yeah, well, we just finished voting on them about an
[39:28] Speaker 9: hour ago, so they are now law law. As that
[39:31] Speaker 9: the quote goes, I'm really worried about the forestry industry.
[39:34] Speaker 9: A lot of people have been out there tell talking
[39:36] Speaker 9: me there's an eighteen month window when the EPBC Act
[39:39] Speaker 9: stops the exemption for regional forest agreements, and that the
[39:43] Speaker 9: federal government now comes on over the top of those
[39:45] Speaker 9: with the states, So i'll growth forest. Everything we're going
[39:48] Speaker 9: to do to these businesses are family phoned up. There's
[39:50] Speaker 9: four generations of timber. They suddenly don't know. They haven't
[39:53] Speaker 9: been told that. They didn't even know it was eighteen months.
[39:56] Speaker 9: They told it was three years by the industry body
[39:58] Speaker 9: because that changed in the day. And the strange thing
[40:00] Speaker 9: about this, we were extended in the guillotine came on,
[40:04] Speaker 9: so we weren't able to debate that to extend the
[40:06] Speaker 9: guillotine by an hour because there are amendments not even
[40:09] Speaker 9: written while we're debating it that they had to get
[40:11] Speaker 9: finalized into the chamber. So how do you scrutinize legislation
[40:15] Speaker 9: that isn't even written, and then you come in the
[40:17] Speaker 9: first thing you do is vote on it. There are
[40:19] Speaker 9: so many things. I guarantee you within six months there
[40:22] Speaker 9: will be amendments coming to the House because Labor and
[40:25] Speaker 9: Greens have bots this by just going quick to get
[40:27] Speaker 9: the score.
[40:27] Speaker 1: All right, Well, lads, we're out of times, so we
[40:29] Speaker 1: can't do winnows and losers. And we already organize that
[40:32] Speaker 1: if there is a Senate debate in a couple of
[40:34] Speaker 1: years time, Barnaby on one side, you on the other.
[40:37] Speaker 1: When it comes to you South Wales, the man Cave
[40:39] Speaker 1: will be the place for the rumble. All right, thank
[40:41] Speaker 1: you lads, have a wonderful weekend right on you guys?
[40:44] Speaker 1: All right, quick break back with more. How do you
[40:45] Speaker 1: make Colin Flynn joins us for a lovely way to
[40:48] Speaker 1: end the week, this one the conversation about the Pope
[40:50] Speaker 1: that may surprise more than a sick What a way
[40:57] Speaker 1: to end our week with a wonderful column. Flynn always
[41:00] Speaker 1: joining us from strange parts of the world, or maybe
[41:03] Speaker 1: just the one that he calls home Rome of course,
[41:05] Speaker 1: in Italy, Vatican City, specifically in and around Europe. Love
[41:08] Speaker 1: you to say a column? Now we are on our
[41:10] Speaker 1: way to the first international trip of the Pope.
[41:13] Speaker 4: Where are you tonight, Yeah, hey, from anchor at the
[41:17] Speaker 4: capital of Turkey. And by the way, Paul, I heard
[41:19] Speaker 4: a few minutes ago you were talking about fancy teas
[41:22] Speaker 4: and coffees.
[41:22] Speaker 6: We'll look at this this stuff. It's Turkish tea. It's
[41:26] Speaker 6: like jet fuel. I tell you, it's good stuff.
[41:29] Speaker 4: I'm going to put it down there for a second
[41:31] Speaker 4: and jump back into frame. This is a big day
[41:33] Speaker 4: for Christians, for Catholics all over the world, and particularly
[41:36] Speaker 4: all eyes are on Pope Leo the fourteenth because it
[41:39] Speaker 4: is his first international trip. Within just the last hour
[41:43] Speaker 4: and a half, he has touched down here in Turkey
[41:46] Speaker 4: after leaving the Vatican, and as we speak he is
[41:48] Speaker 4: in the Presidential Palace meeting President Airdwan. Now this is
[41:52] Speaker 4: big for a number of reasons, Paul. All eyes will
[41:54] Speaker 4: be on the Pope to see well, because it's his
[41:57] Speaker 4: first international trip. How he does diplomat when he's meeting
[42:01] Speaker 4: world leaders. He will be here in Turkey for four
[42:03] Speaker 4: days and then heading on to Lebanon. We know there's
[42:06] Speaker 4: a lot of instability in the Middle East of the moment,
[42:09] Speaker 4: so you know we'll be it'll.
[42:10] Speaker 6: Be a test of him how he does politically.
[42:12] Speaker 4: But the bigger story here is that for the past
[42:16] Speaker 4: couple of years, Pope Francis wanted to come here to
[42:19] Speaker 4: Turkey to celebrate the seventeen hundred, one thy seven hundred years. Yes,
[42:25] Speaker 4: church history is long, the seventeen hundred anniversary of the
[42:28] Speaker 4: Council of Nicea. This was a fundamental foundational moment within
[42:33] Speaker 4: the Church where you had a lot of fractions and divisions,
[42:36] Speaker 4: difference in opinions and points of views, but they all
[42:39] Speaker 4: came together together and they agreed on some major theological issues.
[42:43] Speaker 4: So seventeen hundred years since that, Pope Leo is going
[42:47] Speaker 4: to be marketing that, trying to encourage unity, trying to
[42:50] Speaker 4: encourage peace.
[42:52] Speaker 6: We have now another.
[42:53] Speaker 4: Big split in the eleventh century between the Roman Catholic
[42:55] Speaker 4: Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches. So this will be
[42:59] Speaker 4: a moment for to come and say, look, we're all
[43:01] Speaker 4: brothers and sisters, you know, at the fundamental level, despite
[43:05] Speaker 4: their differences of opinions and religious beliefs. And he's going
[43:08] Speaker 4: to be really preaching that message as he travels across Turkey.
[43:11] Speaker 6: And then Lebanon.
[43:13] Speaker 4: But Paul, we spoke a few weeks ago when I
[43:15] Speaker 4: was in Algeria about the challenges of being a Christian
[43:18] Speaker 4: in Algeria.
[43:19] Speaker 6: Many of those challenges the people here face.
[43:22] Speaker 4: It's a tiny Christian population point five percent. That's zero
[43:27] Speaker 4: point five percent of the entire population. And some people,
[43:31] Speaker 4: depending on who you ask, say that they are persecuted.
[43:34] Speaker 4: Even though they say there's religious freedom and religious tolerance.
[43:37] Speaker 4: They can't go out and preach the gospel, they can't
[43:39] Speaker 4: practice their faith as freely. There maybe legal obstacles to
[43:43] Speaker 4: the church getting planning, permission, getting visas. But then one
[43:46] Speaker 4: of the priests I interviewed yesterday who's been here for
[43:49] Speaker 4: twenty five years, he said, no, column, there is no persecution.
[43:52] Speaker 4: In fact, when I go out and I tell someone
[43:53] Speaker 4: I'm a priest, they're full of questions and they say, hey,
[43:56] Speaker 4: I want to visit.
[43:57] Speaker 6: The church now.
[43:58] Speaker 4: Then I asked them, but further, do you wear your collar?
[44:00] Speaker 4: And he said no, we're not really allowed. We're religious
[44:03] Speaker 4: garments in public. It has to be maintained within the church.
[44:07] Speaker 4: And then I followed up a question by saying, well,
[44:09] Speaker 4: we've met some converts, people who were Muslim, you know,
[44:13] Speaker 4: Turks living here born in Turkey, they became Catholic. They
[44:17] Speaker 4: told us their story, but never willing to go on
[44:19] Speaker 4: camera and never willing to allow us to film them
[44:22] Speaker 4: in church. And he said, yeah, this is very common
[44:25] Speaker 4: because of the social persecution that they faced, so the
[44:29] Speaker 4: social stigmas. So this is going to be a fascinating time, Paul,
[44:32] Speaker 4: as we follow Pope Leo as he travels through Turkey
[44:35] Speaker 4: and then on Telebanon. But it's all starting here basically,
[44:38] Speaker 4: just within the last hour and a half as you
[44:40] Speaker 4: join us.
[44:41] Speaker 1: But again, just he's such a historic figure. We're trying
[44:44] Speaker 1: to do historic things in his early days. Obviously we
[44:47] Speaker 1: remember when King Charles was there the sustained chapel. Now,
[44:51] Speaker 1: obviously he's somebody who very much wants to use the
[44:54] Speaker 1: papacy to get at and about and to grow some bridges.
[44:58] Speaker 1: Is that stuff that the church tells you behind the scenes,
[45:01] Speaker 1: At what part of what he is trying to do?
[45:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, you should be a theologian because you're bang
[45:09] Speaker 4: on the money. The word pontiff means bridge builder, the
[45:13] Speaker 4: Latin for bridge builder, so him as the supreme pontiff,
[45:16] Speaker 4: that is what he is trying to do. And within
[45:18] Speaker 4: the church, this rift between East and West. And by
[45:22] Speaker 4: the way, it's so iconic that we're here in Turkey,
[45:24] Speaker 4: although I'm in anchor at the moment, I'll be flying
[45:26] Speaker 4: to Istanbul later tonight and Soled the Pope.
[45:29] Speaker 6: But Istanbul is known as a city where.
[45:31] Speaker 4: You know, Europe meets the East, East and West come together,
[45:35] Speaker 4: so it's usually symbolic that he will be going there
[45:37] Speaker 4: and going to pray in the great what they call
[45:40] Speaker 4: the Blue Mosque. He'd also be meeting the ecumenical patriarch.
[45:44] Speaker 4: He is kind of, if you wanted to say, like
[45:47] Speaker 4: the Pope of the Eastern Orthodox Churches. He's their spiritual
[45:50] Speaker 4: leader of They have three hundred million members in those
[45:53] Speaker 4: Orthodox churches. So for the Pope to be meeting him
[45:56] Speaker 4: in this you know, image that they know will be
[45:59] Speaker 4: spread of television online all over the world. They are
[46:03] Speaker 4: hoping that in a part of the world where people
[46:05] Speaker 4: are torn apart by fighting, by war, by bitter divisions
[46:09] Speaker 4: going back thousands of years, even in.
[46:12] Speaker 6: A small way, it will go a long way.
[46:15] Speaker 4: Now, it's interesting to say, actually, Paul, you know, I've
[46:17] Speaker 4: covered a lot of these papal journeys and sometimes some
[46:20] Speaker 4: countries he goes to you have the streets thronged with
[46:23] Speaker 4: people when Popelio arrived here within the past hour. No crowds,
[46:28] Speaker 4: I mean none, No people out to greeting them, apart
[46:30] Speaker 4: from the officials at the airport. His motorcade went through
[46:33] Speaker 4: the streets, no people lining the streets because there are
[46:37] Speaker 4: no Christians here in Ancora, the small population, or in Istanbul.
[46:41] Speaker 4: So this will be a different type of trip without
[46:43] Speaker 4: the fanfare. But it's the underlying message say that he's
[46:47] Speaker 4: trying to transmit, which we'll have to see. Time will
[46:50] Speaker 4: tell what will it have some kind of lasting effect?
[46:54] Speaker 1: Good man, thank you calling. Enjoy your time, enjoy the tea,
[46:56] Speaker 1: and if the tea makes you stay up all not,
[46:58] Speaker 1: then enjoy the recovery. Think he made all the best.
[47:01] Speaker 1: Have a good time in Turkey. All right, there is
[47:03] Speaker 1: Colin Flinn. I love having a chat to him at
[47:05] Speaker 1: the end of our week each and every week with
[47:07] Speaker 1: a different perspective and a wonderful story to tell in
[47:09] Speaker 1: that case about the pontiff making his way into Turkey
[47:12] Speaker 1: or Turks they'd like to be called down quid break
[47:14] Speaker 1: back with more bit of Trump news for you. Next
[47:21] Speaker 1: terrible news from the United States where two members of
[47:24] Speaker 1: the National Guard, essentially their version of the Army Reserve,
[47:28] Speaker 1: were killed in Washington, d C.
[47:31] Speaker 3: Just blocks from the White House. Has left two soldiers
[47:34] Speaker 3: fighting for life. It's believed the National guardsmen were targeted,
[47:38] Speaker 3: the US President labeling the incident an act of terror.
[47:41] Speaker 5: They were shot at from just meters away.
[47:44] Speaker 1: There were other National Guard members that were in the area.
[47:46] Speaker 1: They heard the gunfire, and they actually were able to
[47:49] Speaker 1: intervene and to kind of hold down the suspect.
[47:51] Speaker 10: That suspect tonight identified as a twenty nine year old
[47:55] Speaker 10: Afghan national who entered the US in twenty twenty one.
[48:00] Speaker 1: Reports where that they had died thankfully, not however, seriously injured.
[48:03] Speaker 1: Now the FBI is obviously trying to investigate here because
[48:07] Speaker 1: of whom they are.
[48:09] Speaker 2: Two of our brave members of the National Guard and
[48:11] Speaker 2: the Department of War were brazenly attacked in a horrendous
[48:14] Speaker 2: act of violence. They were shot. They're in critical condition,
[48:19] Speaker 2: as you can see behind me. We have assembled the
[48:21] Speaker 2: full force about the federal and state and local law
[48:24] Speaker 2: enforcement agencies to bring bear all of our resources to
[48:27] Speaker 2: make sure we find the perpetrator is responsible for this
[48:30] Speaker 2: heinous act.
[48:31] Speaker 1: And make no mistake, they.
[48:32] Speaker 2: Will be brought to justice. Since this is an assault
[48:34] Speaker 2: on a federal law enforcement officer. This will be treated
[48:38] Speaker 2: at the federal level as an assault on a fed
[48:41] Speaker 2: law enforcement officer.
[48:43] Speaker 1: Now why as a national guide there, Well, of course,
[48:45] Speaker 1: it is about trying to bring crime down in DC,
[48:48] Speaker 1: something that they have been doing pretty successfully for quite
[48:51] Speaker 1: a few weeks now. But the media, of course, they
[48:54] Speaker 1: have to turn this into something about Trump. Unbelievable. Everlo,
[48:58] Speaker 1: I'm a.
[48:58] Speaker 10: Bit speechless because it is just so awful, and the
[49:02] Speaker 10: timing isn't making it even worse, obviously, and this moment
[49:06] Speaker 10: we happen to be living in where everybody's so violent
[49:09] Speaker 10: and angry. It's been a really tough year.
[49:11] Speaker 11: Last week, a federal judge ruled the Trump administration's deployment
[49:14] Speaker 11: of the National Guard in DC was unlawful, arguing at
[49:18] Speaker 11: lacks authority and is violating the District of Columbia's sovereign powers,
[49:22] Speaker 11: most of whom don't really have law enforcement backgrounds, and
[49:26] Speaker 11: that adds I think a real wild card element today.
[49:31] Speaker 1: Sorry, so it's the fault. It just the weirdness of
[49:34] Speaker 1: these people, honestly, all right, that's a show for the week,
[49:36] Speaker 1: Like to Bite coming up into Moment or Two's time. Yankees,
[49:38] Speaker 1: thank you again for everything this week, and we'll see
[49:40] Speaker 1: you from Achuca on Sunday night.

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