# Paul Murray Live | 7 July

An episode of [Paul Murray Live](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/376966263), 7 Jul 2026, 49 min.

Audio: https://p.podderapp.com/2544644999/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/be3abd48-25e5-45a6-aede-ac2a00524a12/9588ba0a-2e9b-4cf6-b989-b48000d33dad/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=95971714-8fe6-4855-b1fe-ac2a00524a12

The prime minister lashed for Kylie Minogue comment, Pauline Hanson to meet Nigel Farage in London. Plus, US President Donald Trump arrived in Turkey for NATO talks. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
[0:06] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for watching. Got a big announcement
[0:08] Speaker 2: for you tonight. There's some breaking news happening around the world.
[0:10] Speaker 2: But first, can we just talk.
[0:11] Speaker 1: About how the media loves covering for their mate Alba.
[0:15] Speaker 2: You remember the podcast nonsense of the past couple of days,
[0:19] Speaker 2: of the interview and the silly answers and the answers
[0:22] Speaker 2: that he shouldn't have given the outrage that came as.
[0:24] Speaker 1: A result of it.
[0:27] Speaker 3: He was instead dealing with a crude, self made embarrassment.
[0:31] Speaker 1: Is it statesman like? Does it fit in with the
[0:33] Speaker 1: office of prime minister?
[0:34] Speaker 4: Would we see Ben Kurtin or one of the other
[0:37] Speaker 4: prime ministers going down this path?
[0:40] Speaker 1: I don't think so well.
[0:42] Speaker 5: A prime minister who brags about elevating women.
[0:45] Speaker 1: It wasn't a great look all of them, bar right. Okay, sorry, Zeea,
[0:52] Speaker 1: we will call that a nick for sure.
[0:54] Speaker 6: Truth.
[0:56] Speaker 1: By the way, who's Ben Curtin?
[0:58] Speaker 2: John Curtin was the labor primyunless there was some other
[1:01] Speaker 2: conversation going on, but as you know, he immediately issued
[1:05] Speaker 2: an apology when it became obvious this was going to
[1:08] Speaker 2: be a story in the past twenty four hours on
[1:11] Speaker 2: Monday morning, the Prime Minsister's office released a one line
[1:13] Speaker 2: statement quote, I apologize unequivocally for the comments. Now, this
[1:18] Speaker 2: being the world that it is, the media obviously travel
[1:23] Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister wherever he happens to be, whether
[1:26] Speaker 2: he or she is in Australia, in remote Australia, or
[1:28] Speaker 2: in this case flying around the world, Thanks very much
[1:31] Speaker 2: taxpayers of Australia. So they had an opportunity to talk
[1:34] Speaker 2: to him since issuing the apology, since the outrage. But
[1:39] Speaker 2: did they take the opportunity to ask him a single
[1:42] Speaker 2: question to follow up on what has been a bit
[1:46] Speaker 2: of attention to the Prime Minister's own God. No, of course,
[1:49] Speaker 2: not not one. The collective media is over there traveling
[1:54] Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister from Ireland to Ireland. Not one
[1:58] Speaker 2: question asked instead his some of the important matters being
[2:01] Speaker 2: dealt with.
[2:03] Speaker 7: Are there any nations that you might like to see
[2:06] Speaker 7: joy in this alliance in the future.
[2:07] Speaker 1: Mister Albansi.
[2:09] Speaker 4: The US says China is fueling nuclear proliferation. What's your response,
[2:15] Speaker 4: mister Albinsi, Will you now consider increasing Australia's defense spending
[2:23] Speaker 4: beyond what has already been done, considering that you have
[2:27] Speaker 4: effectively doubled the number of alliance as Australia has within
[2:30] Speaker 4: the course of a year.
[2:32] Speaker 2: Is the rule You can't ask somebody wearing a medal
[2:35] Speaker 2: a question that they don't want. Remember that nonsense where
[2:38] Speaker 2: I don't talk about domestic matters while I'm overseas well,
[2:40] Speaker 2: of course that's all gone.
[2:42] Speaker 1: Just imagine if this was anyone to the right of center.
[2:46] Speaker 2: Imagine if it was make Canavan, Paulin Hanson, Barnaby Joyce,
[2:49] Speaker 2: Angus Taylor a litt alone, everyone else in their respective teams.
[2:53] Speaker 2: Any chance to follow up or no? Now, just a
[2:55] Speaker 2: one line apology.
[2:56] Speaker 1: That's enough.
[2:58] Speaker 2: Pretty extraordinary. And of world events, there is one happening
[3:01] Speaker 2: as we speak. It is just after nine o'clock in
[3:03] Speaker 2: the East coast of Australia during our winter. Well, of
[3:07] Speaker 2: course it is summer in the other half of the world,
[3:09] Speaker 2: and particularly in Turkey or Turkeye as it must be
[3:12] Speaker 2: referred to. Now, the President of the United States has
[3:15] Speaker 2: just landed Air Force won the new version at air
[3:18] Speaker 2: Force one. This is the plane that was of course
[3:20] Speaker 2: gifted to Donald Trump by the country of Katar. Has
[3:24] Speaker 2: just touched down in the capital of Ancora, where it
[3:26] Speaker 2: is right now two o'clock in the afternoon, and it's
[3:29] Speaker 2: about twenty eight degrees so a little bit different than
[3:31] Speaker 2: our weather is like here.
[3:34] Speaker 1: Right now.
[3:34] Speaker 2: He is about to meet with the leader of Turkey,
[3:39] Speaker 2: the President of Turkey, and he's going to be part
[3:40] Speaker 2: of the NATO Conference. The NATO Conference, of course, the
[3:44] Speaker 2: North Atlantic Trade Organization, but it's actually a defense organization.
[3:49] Speaker 2: It has been essentially the main group that has been,
[3:51] Speaker 2: among other things, propping up Vlodomir Zelinsky and the Ukrainians.
[3:56] Speaker 2: And inevitably, every time these countries come together, including the
[4:00] Speaker 2: United Kingdom, etc.
[4:01] Speaker 1: Etc.
[4:02] Speaker 2: Canada, well, all of those countries will they end up
[4:05] Speaker 2: will should I say, the European countries, they all end
[4:07] Speaker 2: up discussing more money inevitably when it comes to that
[4:11] Speaker 2: particular battle. The plane touchdown a few minutes ago, all
[4:14] Speaker 2: of the passengers have left from the rear of Air
[4:17] Speaker 2: Force one.
[4:18] Speaker 1: The expectation is that with.
[4:19] Speaker 2: The military guard in place, the blue carpet rolled out,
[4:23] Speaker 2: the front door now open, that anytime in the next
[4:26] Speaker 2: couple of seconds, we will see the President of the
[4:28] Speaker 2: United States, fresh from of course, a meeting with the
[4:31] Speaker 2: Thiefer Boss earlier today. This is where he was literally
[4:34] Speaker 2: being handed a yellow and a red card. Now, the
[4:39] Speaker 2: controversy of the past couple of days is, of course
[4:41] Speaker 2: that an American player was given a red card and
[4:43] Speaker 2: was supposed to miss the game today in the World Cup,
[4:46] Speaker 2: but it didn't matter. They ended up getting beaten quite
[4:48] Speaker 2: soundly today, that being the United States. The World Cup,
[4:52] Speaker 2: of course continues on in Mexico, in Canada, and in
[4:55] Speaker 2: the United States. The final will of course be held
[4:58] Speaker 2: in the United States. So this is the political sidebar
[5:01] Speaker 2: before going back to the main game, that is the
[5:03] Speaker 2: football currently playing its way out in the United States.
[5:07] Speaker 2: So as soon as we see the president, we will
[5:10] Speaker 2: interrupt ourselves so you can see it.
[5:11] Speaker 1: And the wonderful thing.
[5:13] Speaker 2: About covering the president of the United States is, even
[5:16] Speaker 2: though the expectation is that nothing will be said, even
[5:19] Speaker 2: though the tradition is that nothing will happen apart from
[5:23] Speaker 2: waving at the top of stairs, walking down them and
[5:25] Speaker 2: then getting in a car.
[5:26] Speaker 1: This is trump.
[5:27] Speaker 2: Anything can happen, anything can be said, anything can happen
[5:29] Speaker 2: at any particular moment. As soon as he appears, will
[5:32] Speaker 2: make sure it drumps up on screen. Now, two people
[5:36] Speaker 2: well known to us here in the Paul Murray Live world,
[5:38] Speaker 2: of course, is Niger ferrag the leader of the Reform
[5:41] Speaker 2: Party in the United Kingdom and Pauline Hanson, the leader
[5:46] Speaker 2: of One Nation here in Australia. Well, apparently they are
[5:49] Speaker 2: due to meet in the UK in the next couple
[5:51] Speaker 2: of days as they have conversations about what's it like
[5:54] Speaker 2: to feel the force that is taking on the establishment.
[5:57] Speaker 2: The expectation is that yeah, they will be a face
[6:00] Speaker 2: to face media opportunity that will be part of all
[6:03] Speaker 2: of that. But in relation to One Nation right now,
[6:07] Speaker 2: the polling is, yes, a little bit off from where
[6:09] Speaker 2: it was a couple.
[6:10] Speaker 1: Of weeks ago, maybe even a month ago.
[6:13] Speaker 2: The Roy Morgan Pole which has just dropped in the
[6:15] Speaker 2: past twenty four hours, it shows Labor up back as
[6:18] Speaker 2: the most popular political party in the country at twenty
[6:20] Speaker 2: eight percent.
[6:21] Speaker 8: Now.
[6:22] Speaker 2: This is compared to a month ago these numbers. One
[6:24] Speaker 2: Nation down seven percent to twenty two and a half,
[6:28] Speaker 2: the Coalition up four Now. This is the first of
[6:30] Speaker 2: the major polls that has shown any sort of movement
[6:33] Speaker 2: positively in the direction of the Coalition, but still way
[6:38] Speaker 2: behind Labor at twenty seven and still behind one nation
[6:41] Speaker 2: at twenty two.
[6:42] Speaker 1: The greens are up and other is up.
[6:44] Speaker 2: In fact, multiple poles are starting to show that some
[6:46] Speaker 2: of the one nation number isn't going to anyone, it's
[6:48] Speaker 2: just going to the none of the above. Well, as
[6:51] Speaker 2: you know, we've got a pretty big event happening here
[6:54] Speaker 2: this month, which is the Sky News is about to
[6:56] Speaker 2: become News twenty four.
[6:58] Speaker 1: We're really excited about it.
[7:00] Speaker 2: While the name change, our brand of news doesn't, but
[7:03] Speaker 2: under a new name, we have an opportunity to celebrate
[7:07] Speaker 2: that new dawn and we're going to do that with
[7:10] Speaker 2: a pretty big announcement right now. Pauline Hanson is going
[7:14] Speaker 2: to be coming to our studios and I would love
[7:18] Speaker 2: you to be there to ask her any questions that
[7:21] Speaker 2: are on your mind. Pauline Hanson, please explain. Get it
[7:25] Speaker 2: a Paul Murray Live special event. It'll happen the final
[7:28] Speaker 2: Tuesday of the month, so we become News twenty four
[7:31] Speaker 2: on the Monday. This happens on the Tuesday. It'll happen
[7:35] Speaker 2: going to wear at nine pm. We would love you
[7:38] Speaker 2: to come and join us. If you can come to
[7:40] Speaker 2: the Sydney studio, that'd be awesome. We can't pay for
[7:43] Speaker 2: you to get there. You have to get yourself there.
[7:45] Speaker 2: But if you've got a question, you want to be
[7:46] Speaker 2: in the room, you want to ask her a question,
[7:48] Speaker 2: send me an email tonight. Pubtest at skynews dot com
[7:51] Speaker 2: dot aupubtest at skynews dot com dot You don't worry,
[7:54] Speaker 2: we are not limiting this just to the people who
[7:56] Speaker 2: are in the room. Like our previous experience, where we
[7:59] Speaker 2: are able to ask questions of the people who want
[8:01] Speaker 2: to lead our country, we will be able to take
[8:04] Speaker 2: questions from right around the country. But if you can
[8:06] Speaker 2: get to Sydney on Tuesday the twenty eighth, if you've
[8:08] Speaker 2: got a question for Pauline Hanson you'd like to ask
[8:10] Speaker 2: her in person in our Sydney headquarters, please send me
[8:15] Speaker 2: the email tonight pub test at skynews dot com dot
[8:18] Speaker 2: If you can't get to Sydney, that's okay, you will
[8:20] Speaker 2: be part of the event. I'm very excited about this
[8:24] Speaker 2: because I'm very excited about the new dawn of News
[8:26] Speaker 2: twenty four and I'm very excited that Pauline Hanson is
[8:29] Speaker 2: coming to us to talk to you. And as the
[8:34] Speaker 2: Prime Minister floats from Pacific Island to Pacific Island, handing
[8:38] Speaker 2: out non existent dollar bills, dollar coins and signing new
[8:42] Speaker 2: security packs everywhere. Of course, he's doing it on the
[8:44] Speaker 2: taxpayer dollar. So he's moved on from the budget. He
[8:47] Speaker 2: thinks he's a world leader.
[8:49] Speaker 1: Again.
[8:49] Speaker 2: We showed you this week that the public service, who
[8:52] Speaker 2: of course prop up the Prime minister, well they want
[8:54] Speaker 2: a four day week less work for a fifteen percent
[8:59] Speaker 2: pay rise. But in the real world, people are working
[9:03] Speaker 2: their backsides off the money that they earn. They are
[9:05] Speaker 2: going backwards. Why because of everything from the increase in
[9:08] Speaker 2: petrol thanks so much to the taxes, let alone the
[9:11] Speaker 2: lives that have now become law via the federal budget,
[9:15] Speaker 2: and people are particularly struggling to power for house. Why
[9:17] Speaker 2: because interest rates, well, they are the worst they have
[9:20] Speaker 2: been in a very significant period of time. Forget the
[9:23] Speaker 2: little blip that was a little bit of relief last year.
[9:26] Speaker 2: The python is back around our throats as it was
[9:30] Speaker 2: for much, if not all, of twenty and twenty four
[9:34] Speaker 2: and a big chunk of two thousand and twenty three
[9:37] Speaker 2: as well, and we're back to the worst of it
[9:39] Speaker 2: at four point three five percent. When it comes to
[9:41] Speaker 2: interest rates, Deloitte have come out today and told us
[9:45] Speaker 2: don't expect a rate cart until.
[9:47] Speaker 1: Maybe twenty twenty seven.
[9:50] Speaker 2: Forget about it for this year, maybe maybe something in
[9:53] Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven and the start of twenty twenty seven. No,
[9:56] Speaker 2: because quote interest rates are tipped to remain at fifteen
[9:59] Speaker 2: year until late twenty twenty seven, with Australia expected to
[10:04] Speaker 2: experience the longer stretch of anemic growth since the nineteen
[10:08] Speaker 2: nineties recession that we had to have. Deloitte Access Economics
[10:14] Speaker 2: have put forward that rarely have adopted such a downbeat
[10:18] Speaker 2: assessment of a short term outlook. Why because Australia is
[10:21] Speaker 2: now structurally exposed in ways that have become hard to ignore,
[10:26] Speaker 2: including of course, of budget deficit that remains in deficit
[10:28] Speaker 2: until what the twenty.
[10:29] Speaker 1: Sixties for too long.
[10:31] Speaker 2: Strong population growth I immigration has masked a weak underlying
[10:36] Speaker 2: productivity performance. Can I get paid more money public service
[10:40] Speaker 2: to do four days a week work not five days
[10:43] Speaker 2: a week work. Years of insufficient investment in housing, infrastructure
[10:48] Speaker 2: and energy, as well as the economy's productive capacity, have
[10:52] Speaker 2: left supply side of the economy struggling to keep up
[10:55] Speaker 2: with demand. So while the Prime Minister and the Treasurer
[10:59] Speaker 2: think they a gold star because they've got away with
[11:02] Speaker 2: the lies before the budget that have now become the
[11:05] Speaker 2: law because the budget has passed. The reality is that
[11:08] Speaker 2: anyone trying to pay off a house, or somebody who's
[11:10] Speaker 2: living in a rental house being paid off by somebody else,
[11:13] Speaker 2: you are still struggling. But if you ask Alba, of
[11:15] Speaker 2: course he is winning. If you ask the media, well,
[11:18] Speaker 2: of course we couldn't dare bring up anything unpleasant because
[11:20] Speaker 2: imagine how they would have just let Tony Abbott off
[11:22] Speaker 2: the hook if he had gone on a podcast and
[11:25] Speaker 2: said what was said on that podcast. Still waiting for
[11:32] Speaker 2: the President of the United States to appear in Turkey again,
[11:35] Speaker 2: we'll go back to the live shot here for a moment.
[11:38] Speaker 2: It could be happening at any moment, so we'll just
[11:39] Speaker 2: give a moment of breathing space for that to take
[11:42] Speaker 2: place again. The NATO Meeting the meeting of essentially the
[11:45] Speaker 2: European nations, but a couple of others get locked up
[11:48] Speaker 2: inside it, including Turkey. That is where those talks are
[11:51] Speaker 2: going to be taking place. The brand new version of
[11:53] Speaker 2: Air Force one has only been flying for a few weeks.
[11:57] Speaker 2: He hasn't even got into double digits of how many
[11:59] Speaker 2: time is flown on the plane.
[12:02] Speaker 1: It is a top of the tree in terms of
[12:04] Speaker 1: luxury and security. The idea that it.
[12:06] Speaker 2: Was gifted from another country, well, unsurprisingly, it's a rawshact test,
[12:10] Speaker 2: including for those who always lose their brain about anything
[12:12] Speaker 2: to do with Donald Trump. The military guard is in place,
[12:16] Speaker 2: the football is off the.
[12:18] Speaker 1: Back of the plane.
[12:19] Speaker 2: The reporters have left the back of the plane, so
[12:20] Speaker 2: the president is moments away from now. If it happens,
[12:25] Speaker 2: you see it all live. In the meantime, let us
[12:27] Speaker 2: continue to talk here about the Anti Semitism Royal Commission
[12:30] Speaker 2: which is taking place in Sydney, yet another round of
[12:34] Speaker 2: public hearings, and these ones are focusing on social media
[12:38] Speaker 2: and about what the social media companies should or could
[12:41] Speaker 2: be doing to blast out the hatred that has existed
[12:45] Speaker 2: for too long online. Now, those who peddle in this hate,
[12:49] Speaker 2: while they may claim to have the cover of free speech,
[12:51] Speaker 2: but if free speech is about spreading things like racial hatred,
[12:55] Speaker 2: in particular anti semitism, will they get no protection from me?
[12:59] Speaker 1: Here is part of the problem. As explained to the Commission, my.
[13:03] Speaker 9: Treatment online has been something out of a of a
[13:10] Speaker 9: parallel universe within twenty four hours of suffering the most
[13:14] Speaker 9: dramatic attack of my life that this nation has experienced.
[13:21] Speaker 9: To be subjected to manipulate an AI campaign alleging that
[13:25] Speaker 9: I was a false flag actor or that this was
[13:28] Speaker 9: blood painted on my face is inexcusable. It's criminal. Words
[13:35] Speaker 9: have actions.
[13:37] Speaker 2: And also there is a terrible scenario here too where
[13:40] Speaker 2: the people who have been brave enough to give evidence
[13:42] Speaker 2: at this Royal Commission have been flamed by people on
[13:46] Speaker 2: social media.
[13:48] Speaker 7: Several witnesses have given evidence to this inquiry were immediately
[13:52] Speaker 7: subjected to anti Semitic abuse online and they complained.
[13:57] Speaker 2: The first response of Facebook was that the content was
[14:02] Speaker 2: not violating, but then the Royal Commission stepped in and
[14:05] Speaker 2: the posts were immediately removed. So the social media companies
[14:09] Speaker 2: are literally in the doc They are literally giving evidence,
[14:12] Speaker 2: of course, not a criminal proceeding, so they are just
[14:15] Speaker 2: in the box giving evidence. And among them has been Meta,
[14:19] Speaker 2: the people in charge of Facebook and Instagram. Now in
[14:22] Speaker 2: the past twenty four hours, they have come forward to
[14:26] Speaker 2: explain that changes that happened at the start of the
[14:29] Speaker 2: Trump administration, where it was more bias in favor of
[14:33] Speaker 2: free speech, as opposed to preemptively banning or knocking things
[14:37] Speaker 2: off the Internet, is in part why we're in a
[14:39] Speaker 2: scenario where you see something appear, but then somebody has
[14:44] Speaker 2: to complain about it for it to disappear. Facebook and
[14:47] Speaker 2: Instagram's owner have said the changes to its rules on
[14:50] Speaker 2: hate speech last year that allowed statements such as immigrants
[14:53] Speaker 2: a scum, trans people don't exist, gay people are sinners.
[14:58] Speaker 2: All things you would imagine get you knocked off. They'll
[15:01] Speaker 2: get to remain online because of a freedom to debate topics.
[15:05] Speaker 2: Now it's just all three of those things obviously are
[15:07] Speaker 2: going too far. Benjamin Good, the Global director of Core
[15:10] Speaker 2: Policy at Meta, to the Antisemitism Royal Commission that the
[15:14] Speaker 2: company has shifted its policy on the removal of hateful
[15:18] Speaker 2: content after that announcement I mentioned before at the start
[15:22] Speaker 2: of the Trump administration, because remember they were bouncing things
[15:25] Speaker 2: in and around COVID and banning people for saying what
[15:28] Speaker 2: was not believed to be the governmental truth. Good described
[15:32] Speaker 2: the move from primarily proactive to reactive enforcement of rules
[15:36] Speaker 2: such as hate speech, including antisemitism, as narrow changes to
[15:39] Speaker 2: the way it handles posts about gender, sexuality, and immigration.
[15:44] Speaker 2: YouTube was giving evidence today and YouTube here have said
[15:49] Speaker 2: pretty much the same thing that they have doubled down
[15:52] Speaker 2: on its finding. But here is Donald Trump, who's just
[15:55] Speaker 2: appeared in Turkey, so let's take that live. Is now
[15:59] Speaker 2: the words thank you before making his way down the stairs.
[16:02] Speaker 2: Of course, the paranoia of any American president are those stairs.
[16:06] Speaker 2: The paranoia of this particular president is to make sure
[16:09] Speaker 2: that there is no repeat of the Biden years of
[16:12] Speaker 2: stumbling on the steps, let alone, of course Biden, who
[16:14] Speaker 2: was falling up them. He's about to meet the Turkish
[16:17] Speaker 2: president as we speak. Who knows if we'll get any
[16:19] Speaker 2: sound from directional microphones, but let's have a look. They're
[16:21] Speaker 2: two very good friends, and hence the warm embrace. We'll
[16:32] Speaker 2: have to do some breeding from here, but that may
[16:34] Speaker 2: be a little bit difficult when you can't see either
[16:35] Speaker 2: of their faces. As it takes place right now, Turkey
[16:38] Speaker 2: year is hosting many of the world leaders today and
[16:41] Speaker 2: over the next couple of days. At this NATO meeting,
[16:44] Speaker 2: it'll be the final major international meeting that we presume
[16:48] Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom will be
[16:51] Speaker 2: taking part in. You can see that there's some still
[16:53] Speaker 2: photography that's being taken yet still some conversation that's happening.
[16:57] Speaker 2: Presumably the video camera that is there to the extreme
[17:00] Speaker 2: left of your screen.
[17:01] Speaker 1: Will be picking up a little bit of sound.
[17:03] Speaker 2: Whether that is from the Turkish side of things or
[17:06] Speaker 2: the American side of things, we'll all learn on social
[17:08] Speaker 2: media in the next couple of days. But similar to
[17:11] Speaker 2: when the President of the United States was, of course
[17:13] Speaker 2: in the UK meeting with Key Starma, the traditional cameras
[17:18] Speaker 2: were kept quite away, but there was a conversation taking place,
[17:22] Speaker 2: picked up a little bit closer.
[17:24] Speaker 1: That became news. So who knows.
[17:26] Speaker 2: In that exact moment there is the Tish and United
[17:29] Speaker 2: States presidents share a conversation as they make their way
[17:32] Speaker 2: towards the vehicles that will make their way, of course,
[17:36] Speaker 2: through the capital of Turkey Anchora, the president pausing for
[17:39] Speaker 2: a moment to have a look at the military guard
[17:41] Speaker 2: that is in place. You can see that there is
[17:44] Speaker 2: a microphone that is set up. Whether there is about
[17:46] Speaker 2: to be comments made, let's just go to live again,
[17:55] Speaker 2: I think about all right, the guard being called to
[18:06] Speaker 2: attention by the visiting President of the United States.
[18:08] Speaker 1: Security officials moving.
[18:09] Speaker 2: Media along, but again an opportunity to hear something off
[18:14] Speaker 2: the top of the microphones and top of the cameras here.
[18:15] Speaker 10: So again let's just go to live in case. Probably
[18:36] Speaker 10: not hearing at home, there's some faint.
[18:37] Speaker 2: Noise that is coming through my here, but of course
[18:40] Speaker 2: the sound of planes powering down and all of the
[18:43] Speaker 2: other jets become cumbersome.
[18:45] Speaker 11: Here.
[18:45] Speaker 2: I think that sound is going to get slightly better.
[18:48] Speaker 2: If it does, you're going to hear me pause at
[18:50] Speaker 2: a moment's notice, and I can start to hear a
[18:52] Speaker 2: little more in my year right now, as the presidents
[18:54] Speaker 2: are discussing things.
[18:56] Speaker 1: On the tarmac there in anchor.
[19:07] Speaker 2: Brand so a woman to you e left you your
[19:11] Speaker 2: screen is doing some translating, as is the woman to
[19:13] Speaker 2: the right of your screen, Are you don't well, look,
[19:32] Speaker 2: I'm all right, no through the comments that we will
[19:39] Speaker 2: hear from there, But as always, you're to take these
[19:41] Speaker 2: moments as they happen live. Remember, breaking news is our business,
[19:44] Speaker 2: and when it happens, we will interrupt all and anything
[19:46] Speaker 2: that we are doing, including what I was just mentioning
[19:48] Speaker 2: there about the anti Semitism Royal Commission. But again, Donald
[19:51] Speaker 2: Trump has arrived in Turkey for NATO talks. They take
[19:53] Speaker 2: place over the next couple of days when we hear
[19:55] Speaker 2: and see a little more, you will hear and see
[19:58] Speaker 2: a little more.
[20:00] Speaker 1: But as I was.
[20:00] Speaker 2: Mentioning about the Anti Semitism Royal Commission, you have both
[20:04] Speaker 2: Facebook via its representation and Meta that representing Instagram, you Google,
[20:10] Speaker 2: of course YouTube it's platform here again suggesting that they
[20:15] Speaker 2: are not in a position to take down certain things. Interestingly,
[20:21] Speaker 2: I'm interested here because if you are a fan of
[20:24] Speaker 2: YouTube like I am, and sometimes you might go and
[20:26] Speaker 2: find some of the hottest stuff on YouTube, they can
[20:28] Speaker 2: sort of through AI tools, automatically remove swear words. You
[20:32] Speaker 2: would imagine that on certain bits of language, particularly things
[20:36] Speaker 2: like overt anti semitism, you would imagine the same would
[20:39] Speaker 2: take place. But we will debate this a little bit
[20:41] Speaker 2: later in the program, but I wanted to finish my
[20:43] Speaker 2: thought there as the President was beginning his upon its
[20:46] Speaker 2: arrival in Turkey. I had a huge reaction last night
[20:51] Speaker 2: to Jess Wilson, the opposition leader, being on the program
[20:54] Speaker 2: last night and hopefully the next premier of Victoria. I
[20:58] Speaker 2: got to say I was very impressed. I loved the conversation.
[21:00] Speaker 2: I loved her forthrightness, I loved her energy, and I
[21:03] Speaker 2: look forward to talking to her many many times between
[21:06] Speaker 2: now and that election. Now again, according to the opinion polls,
[21:10] Speaker 2: if it's two party preferred between the Liberal Party and
[21:13] Speaker 2: the Labor Party, the Liberal Party would win, backed off
[21:16] Speaker 2: by one nation preferences. But if it's one nation that
[21:18] Speaker 2: finishes above the Libs, then it a bit Labor that
[21:20] Speaker 2: would end up winning fifty two forty eight in either direction. Now,
[21:24] Speaker 2: the more redeeming of it all, of course, distracts from
[21:27] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party from what it is trying to do
[21:29] Speaker 2: and it's central focus at the moment, which is to
[21:31] Speaker 2: take down the Labor Party. You know, we've spoken about
[21:34] Speaker 2: it too often over the past few days about this
[21:36] Speaker 2: sort of again own goal, the accusation about a headlock
[21:40] Speaker 2: that wasn't a headlock, the police asked to investigate what
[21:44] Speaker 2: they considered to be nothing to see here, and a
[21:48] Speaker 2: demand for an apology that has not been forthcoming. As
[21:51] Speaker 2: a result, the Liberal Party is in a process of
[21:53] Speaker 2: understandably most likely getting rid of more redeeming as a
[21:56] Speaker 2: representative of the Liberal Party at the upcoming election. There
[22:00] Speaker 2: have been plenty of people inside the party have wanted
[22:01] Speaker 2: that for a long time. I often no opinion about that,
[22:04] Speaker 2: but where we are now is different than maybe where
[22:06] Speaker 2: we have been.
[22:08] Speaker 1: Well.
[22:09] Speaker 2: In court today, Maria Deming was saying that the people
[22:11] Speaker 2: who will make the decision about whether she sticks around
[22:13] Speaker 2: or not, some of these people need to go, including
[22:16] Speaker 2: on the current committee, the former party president, members of
[22:19] Speaker 2: the state executive as well.
[22:21] Speaker 1: She wants them gone.
[22:22] Speaker 2: Why because they are people who will have actual or
[22:25] Speaker 2: apprehended bias. Why because they are factionally not aligned with
[22:29] Speaker 2: her and therefore interested in bouncing her off the ticket.
[22:32] Speaker 2: I would think that her future in the Liberal Party
[22:34] Speaker 2: is limited for the obvious reasons, despite the fact that
[22:38] Speaker 2: again I have supported her right to speak in the past,
[22:41] Speaker 2: particularly when it comes to standing up for women. But
[22:44] Speaker 2: the accusations and the faiy to apologize seems to me
[22:47] Speaker 2: to be the final straw. Maria Deeming's taken to social
[22:50] Speaker 2: media tonight in Victoria.
[22:52] Speaker 5: The simple fact is that things go wrong in life
[22:56] Speaker 5: and you have to just pick yourself up and keep
[22:58] Speaker 5: going forward. That's what I intend to do. There are
[23:02] Speaker 5: things that are going on at the moment that I
[23:05] Speaker 5: can't really speak about because it's all being mediated behind
[23:09] Speaker 5: the scenes where it should.
[23:10] Speaker 1: Be mediated, She continues.
[23:14] Speaker 5: So many huge distractions that have taken away from the
[23:19] Speaker 5: work that you, as my constituents and Victorians, really needed
[23:24] Speaker 5: to be done. And I am genuinely, so so sorry
[23:28] Speaker 5: that all of these things over the past three and
[23:30] Speaker 5: a half years have.
[23:32] Speaker 2: Happened now again, the defamation, the payment for the defamation,
[23:38] Speaker 2: that's all one thing. This scenario is absolutely self inflicted.
[23:42] Speaker 2: The police when they came out and made it very clear,
[23:45] Speaker 2: was an opportunity for everyone to say, I'm sorry, I'm misinterpreted.
[23:51] Speaker 2: I apologize. But she's sticking to what she considers to
[23:55] Speaker 2: be her principles. I would imagine that her future with
[23:57] Speaker 2: the Liberal Party is pretty obviously, but she'll do everything
[24:01] Speaker 2: she can between now and then.
[24:03] Speaker 1: To follow what she believes to be a due process.
[24:06] Speaker 2: And that means people who may well be sitting around
[24:09] Speaker 2: the table not being around the table, who have already
[24:11] Speaker 2: been and long term invested in her never being around
[24:14] Speaker 2: the table. Anyway, we'll all find out together work. So
[24:19] Speaker 2: big news today for those of us that are rugby
[24:21] Speaker 2: league fans, which is a further extending of the Foxtel
[24:26] Speaker 2: Design Fox Sports arrangement along with Channel nine to continue
[24:30] Speaker 2: to broadcast for many more years rugby League in all
[24:33] Speaker 2: of its forms, along with Channel nine. This is a
[24:35] Speaker 2: spectacular deal. It's a huge amount of money, but it
[24:39] Speaker 2: means that that huge amount of money goes to the players,
[24:41] Speaker 2: goes to the grassroots and grows the game. Peter Landy's
[24:45] Speaker 2: happy on behalf of the NRL.
[24:48] Speaker 8: We're about to announce the highest ever media broadcast deal
[24:53] Speaker 8: in Australian sports history. In the past five years we
[24:56] Speaker 8: have changed the game effectively doubling the audience. A now
[25:00] Speaker 8: the most viewed program in Australia and in the Pacific.
[25:05] Speaker 8: Don't listen to what other people tell you, especially some
[25:08] Speaker 8: down south.
[25:09] Speaker 2: Now, one of the great opportunities of all of this
[25:11] Speaker 2: is that through the Zone, there will be the opportunity
[25:14] Speaker 2: of hundreds of millions of people to be able to
[25:16] Speaker 2: see the game. Now the Zone are the people who
[25:20] Speaker 2: now own Fox Sports and KO will still exist, the
[25:24] Speaker 2: Fox Steel system still exists, but even more people around
[25:28] Speaker 2: the world will be introduced to regularly.
[25:31] Speaker 8: The Zone is worldwide and it has four hundred million subscribers.
[25:36] Speaker 8: That's a big market for us so and we're with
[25:40] Speaker 8: Patrick's assistance, we're going to drive our game onto those
[25:43] Speaker 8: subscribers and market it to those subscribers, especially in areas
[25:47] Speaker 8: where we're already popular in England, the US, all those areas.
[25:51] Speaker 8: Since we've done Vegas, our subscriptions have gone up eighty
[25:54] Speaker 8: seven percent in America.
[25:56] Speaker 4: How does this look in the future We designed and
[25:58] Speaker 4: four hundred million people overseasotentially be able to watch, well.
[26:01] Speaker 1: They are best.
[26:02] Speaker 7: We're going to go hard. I think the key to
[26:04] Speaker 7: it is that you can't fall in love with the
[26:06] Speaker 7: sport unless it's in front of you. And with all
[26:08] Speaker 7: of the subscribers we have when we're running live soccer,
[26:13] Speaker 7: we can put also some rugby league in it, and
[26:16] Speaker 7: I think it's going to take off in quite a
[26:18] Speaker 7: few countries.
[26:19] Speaker 1: Well said.
[26:19] Speaker 2: Congratulations to Patrick Delaney and all of the team negotiating
[26:23] Speaker 2: it from this end, Congratulations to Andrew Abdoh and Petty
[26:25] Speaker 2: fill Andy's from the NURL end, and also for football fans,
[26:30] Speaker 2: the sport itself will now be the people in charge
[26:33] Speaker 2: of the draw, deciding what games are played when.
[26:37] Speaker 8: The NRL now is responsible for the draw, and the
[26:40] Speaker 8: reason for that it's nothing against the broadcasters, is we
[26:42] Speaker 8: wanted to make it fair and equitable for all clubs,
[26:45] Speaker 8: So it's a fair and equitable draw that will be
[26:48] Speaker 8: done so every club gets that opportunity. And it's not
[26:52] Speaker 8: really designed for the broadcast. It's designed to get the
[26:56] Speaker 8: most fair and equable competition.
[26:59] Speaker 2: Now, well I'm handing out the presence. Don't forget about
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[27:17] Speaker 2: just turning up sitting in the corner quietly. It is
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[27:21] Speaker 2: dot com dot Au. I got one more present for
[27:23] Speaker 2: you tonight. No sooks, no lefties. We do that in
[27:27] Speaker 2: a moment's time here on Paul Murray Life. Thanks for
[27:29] Speaker 2: watching this Tuesday night. Hope you having a good week.
[27:37] Speaker 2: Before I get to our conversation this evening, there are
[27:39] Speaker 2: some breaking news out of the United Kingdom involving our
[27:42] Speaker 2: friend and frequent contributed frequent conversationalist Here on a Tuesday
[27:46] Speaker 2: night the Reform leader Nigel Farage. Now, for some time
[27:51] Speaker 2: a story has been building that I'll explain in a moment,
[27:54] Speaker 2: But it has got to this in the past thirty
[27:58] Speaker 2: minutes at the top of our show, as you can
[28:01] Speaker 2: see there nine oh one Eastern time in Australia, that
[28:04] Speaker 2: will be making a statement on his future in public
[28:07] Speaker 2: life at two pm. Now, obviously this future can be
[28:13] Speaker 2: continuing on as the leader of Reform, the party that
[28:16] Speaker 2: is the most popular in the country. There may be
[28:20] Speaker 2: a retreat from public life. Now, why has this got
[28:24] Speaker 2: to the point that it has got to now It
[28:26] Speaker 2: all has to do with some financial contributions, some donations
[28:32] Speaker 2: that Nigel Farage received before he returned to public life.
[28:38] Speaker 2: Now this has been weaponized by his political opponents as
[28:44] Speaker 2: a potential way of disqualifying him as a member of
[28:48] Speaker 2: Parliament or being able to contest any upcoming election. He
[28:53] Speaker 2: has strongly, vehemently denied that there is a crossover between
[28:59] Speaker 2: his returning to his appearance for the first time in
[29:05] Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament of the United Kingdom. Of course, before
[29:08] Speaker 2: that he was a member of the European Parliament, but
[29:10] Speaker 2: it was his first time elevated to the House of
[29:13] Speaker 2: Commons a couple of years ago. Now there is a
[29:16] Speaker 2: process where if there is a series of standards standards
[29:22] Speaker 2: committee that might want to investigate this, the ultimate sanction
[29:26] Speaker 2: for whatever reason might be to disqualify somebody as a
[29:29] Speaker 2: member of Parliament. They're not able to ban that person
[29:32] Speaker 2: an running again. So it could be a situation that
[29:36] Speaker 2: even if all of this does go through the ring,
[29:39] Speaker 2: there's an opportunity for a by election, one that he
[29:41] Speaker 2: would of course easily be able to recontest and win again.
[29:44] Speaker 2: It's a little bit like remember the dual citizen stuff
[29:47] Speaker 2: where people were forced to resign from parliament and then
[29:49] Speaker 2: we had a whole bunch of special elections and in
[29:52] Speaker 2: the end, in every case anyone who left the Parliament
[29:56] Speaker 2: as a result of that was returned to the Parliament.
[29:58] Speaker 2: So the Glassharf full version of I will make a
[30:01] Speaker 2: statement about my public future at two pm. Now two
[30:05] Speaker 2: pm is eleven pm in Eastern Australia, so obviously if
[30:11] Speaker 2: that is breaking in live news, we'll take that when
[30:14] Speaker 2: it happens here. Obviously, in conjunction with our planned programming
[30:19] Speaker 2: in and around James Morrow, filling in for the Great
[30:21] Speaker 2: to read a Panihy. So again the half full version
[30:24] Speaker 2: of that very open ended statement is power on. Or
[30:29] Speaker 2: if it is the half empty version, well obviously we'll
[30:31] Speaker 2: all be learning that together. There as always is an
[30:34] Speaker 2: expectation of us to talk to Nigel each and every Tuesday.
[30:36] Speaker 2: That obviously changed today in anticipation of that statement. So
[30:40] Speaker 2: hopefully we can resume as normal again next week. But I,
[30:43] Speaker 2: like you, will remain glued to do Sky News for
[30:46] Speaker 2: the next couple of hours for this show, for the
[30:47] Speaker 2: late debate, and then as always to read it, but
[30:50] Speaker 2: particularly tonight because we're going to be hearing from Nigel
[30:52] Speaker 2: Faraj in the eleven o'clock hour in the East of
[30:55] Speaker 2: Australia here on Sky News Live in the meantime.
[30:58] Speaker 1: No sooks, no lefties. Well, that's exactly what I think.
[31:00] Speaker 1: I'm want to think of. Carlos Krember one.
[31:02] Speaker 2: Nation of a House MP in South Australia, David Lindbrick,
[31:04] Speaker 2: the Libertarian and always fighting for freedom in Victoria. A
[31:08] Speaker 2: tough ask it is, but he does it well and
[31:10] Speaker 2: does it beautifully. Now, lads, I mentioned a little bit earlier,
[31:14] Speaker 2: and because we're in the middle of the live stuff
[31:15] Speaker 2: with Trump, I wasn't able to get through the dot
[31:18] Speaker 2: the eyes and cross the t's. But the social media
[31:20] Speaker 2: companies have been in front of the Anti Semitism Commission today.
[31:24] Speaker 2: They're being pushed on how much they're doing or not doing,
[31:27] Speaker 2: about the flagrantly disgraceful stuff that does run around on
[31:31] Speaker 2: some of their platforms. David is a libertarian. I'm going
[31:34] Speaker 2: to think you're going to be a free speech absolutist.
[31:37] Speaker 2: But is there a role Is there a moment when
[31:40] Speaker 2: in the same way that if you drop an F
[31:42] Speaker 2: bomb in a YouTube video, it's automatically silenced that Surely
[31:46] Speaker 2: that could exist when you call someone of a particular
[31:49] Speaker 2: race or religion a slur.
[31:57] Speaker 3: Sure and Matter has their own platform policies and on
[32:01] Speaker 3: this sort of thing. But I think we need to
[32:04] Speaker 3: remember what happened during COVID. During COVID, there was this
[32:08] Speaker 3: Trusted News initiative which effectively coerced social media companies into
[32:14] Speaker 3: a global censorship regime where governments around the world decided
[32:18] Speaker 3: the truth. And I think that what we're seeing here
[32:22] Speaker 3: is another example of an emergency, and people that want
[32:25] Speaker 3: to control what people see and what they think will
[32:29] Speaker 3: use it as an opportunity to control these companies and
[32:33] Speaker 3: control what people see and think. I think that this
[32:35] Speaker 3: is a dangerous step. It's in a free society, people
[32:41] Speaker 3: will say things that are bad that people don't like,
[32:45] Speaker 3: but ultimately the decisions about these things should be left
[32:48] Speaker 3: up to the social media platforms to manage their own
[32:50] Speaker 3: policies and not controlled by global governments around the world.
[32:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:54] Speaker 2: Do you think that this is one of those ones
[32:55] Speaker 2: where it's up to the company to build the cat
[32:57] Speaker 2: or to build the cow dere it is here, Carlos.
[33:03] Speaker 11: Yeah, I would say in part it is, but also
[33:06] Speaker 11: I mean I'm a big free speech person as well,
[33:08] Speaker 11: but it can't be from consequences as well. It's very
[33:11] Speaker 11: important that we do have some guidelines. These platforms do
[33:15] Speaker 11: have guidelines. We definitely don't want to repeat of COVID
[33:18] Speaker 11: that was atrocious, but there has to be some guidelines there,
[33:21] Speaker 11: and I think we've just got to be very careful
[33:23] Speaker 11: about how we go about this.
[33:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's sort of the best
[33:27] Speaker 2: way to deal with this, right, So we're not sort
[33:29] Speaker 2: of wrestling smoke or you know, trying to sort of
[33:32] Speaker 2: you know, get squishy and chase the saper around, right,
[33:36] Speaker 2: which is this scenario where I think if anything's published,
[33:41] Speaker 2: then you have the right to complain about it, they
[33:43] Speaker 2: have the right to rule on it. But then you,
[33:45] Speaker 2: whoever's written it, should have a very clear and legitimate
[33:48] Speaker 2: right to be able to appeal a decision. And then
[33:52] Speaker 2: but again the presensoring that existed there when it came
[33:54] Speaker 2: to things like COVID one hundred percent. You're absolutely on
[33:58] Speaker 2: the money as always there, David. Now, lads, both of
[34:02] Speaker 2: you couldn't care less if the Liberal Party goes backwards,
[34:04] Speaker 2: infective for your entire vote disappeared and you scooped it
[34:06] Speaker 2: all up all the better. Hooray, right. But John Howard's
[34:09] Speaker 2: had something to say in the past couple of days.
[34:11] Speaker 2: Apparently Paul Kelly's got another book about it, and he
[34:12] Speaker 2: says that it's about the failures of leadership of the
[34:15] Speaker 2: three most recent Liberal prime ministers that in part have
[34:18] Speaker 2: put the Liberal Party in a world of pain. I
[34:20] Speaker 2: have a different interpretation of this, but I want to
[34:22] Speaker 2: get your view first, car Loss about why why you
[34:27] Speaker 2: think they're struggling again?
[34:29] Speaker 1: You don't want them to do any better?
[34:31] Speaker 2: Why because you're happy to be sitting where you are,
[34:34] Speaker 2: But why do you think they're struggling.
[34:37] Speaker 11: Look, I think after John Howard left one of his
[34:39] Speaker 11: biggest he's done a lot of good things, but he
[34:41] Speaker 11: had one big failure and that wasn't providing succession plan
[34:45] Speaker 11: as to how the party was going to continue. So
[34:47] Speaker 11: it's created this vacuum and we've got all these leadership challenges.
[34:50] Speaker 11: But I've set it time and time again. My job
[34:52] Speaker 11: is not to talk or fix the Liberal Party. My
[34:55] Speaker 11: job is to make one nation the best party can be.
[34:57] Speaker 11: And the polls are showing that we're heading in the
[34:59] Speaker 11: right direction, and then we just can provide an alternative
[35:01] Speaker 11: to the Liberal Party and more importantly to the Labor Party,
[35:04] Speaker 11: which is the most disastrous Labor Party we've ever had.
[35:07] Speaker 2: David, My theory is pretty simple, which is I don't
[35:09] Speaker 2: think it's possible for the Liberal Party to be able
[35:11] Speaker 2: to promise what it hasn't delivered.
[35:13] Speaker 1: This is what's difficult for them.
[35:14] Speaker 2: Sitting in opposition is way, and when you're in government
[35:16] Speaker 2: for X many years we had three different versions of
[35:18] Speaker 2: a Prime minister. It's all well and good to promise,
[35:21] Speaker 2: but you had your crack at it, and even before that,
[35:23] Speaker 2: in the Howard years, you had your crack at it.
[35:26] Speaker 2: That is in part part of the problem, isn't it.
[35:32] Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't very happy with the federal government during COVID,
[35:36] Speaker 3: which is under the Morrison government. I think that they
[35:38] Speaker 3: stuffed lots of things up and made a mess of it.
[35:41] Speaker 3: I mean in Victorian Parliament. You know, we've had five
[35:44] Speaker 3: Liberal leaders in five years pretty much, and you know,
[35:47] Speaker 3: when they're changing leaders so often like this, there's no
[35:52] Speaker 3: doubt as to why they can't get any traction on
[35:55] Speaker 3: these sort of things Like maybe Jess Wilson will be different.
[35:58] Speaker 3: I don't know, time will tell, but certainly going around
[36:01] Speaker 3: and knifing the leader every few weeks doesn't instill a
[36:04] Speaker 3: lot of confidence in a party that ostensibly wants to
[36:07] Speaker 3: become the government.
[36:09] Speaker 2: Fair col let's get to the tobacco wars. I can't
[36:12] Speaker 2: believe they refer to all this. It's about organized crime wars.
[36:15] Speaker 2: It's all of course fueled by illegal cigarettes. Now there's
[36:18] Speaker 2: of course the alcohol version of this that's happening as well.
[36:21] Speaker 2: At the heart of all of this is excise taxation
[36:24] Speaker 2: is out of control. They take too much, which means
[36:27] Speaker 2: the black market has been created, and the black market
[36:29] Speaker 2: is now bigger than the regular market. But what comes
[36:32] Speaker 2: with it is some pretty bad suburban crime, David, isn't it?
[36:39] Speaker 3: Organized crime is out of control, and the tobacco market
[36:42] Speaker 3: is a great example of that. They now control the
[36:45] Speaker 3: majority of the tobacco market and almost one hundred percent
[36:48] Speaker 3: of the vaping and other nicotine market, So it's out
[36:52] Speaker 3: of control. What people don't realize here, though, is the
[36:55] Speaker 3: consequential effects. For every one of these firebombings, there's two
[36:58] Speaker 3: home invasions and two car thef's usually because they break
[37:02] Speaker 3: into a person's house to steal their car that they
[37:04] Speaker 3: use to commit the crime. Also, on top of that,
[37:07] Speaker 3: we've got increased insurance premiums for everyone in Victoria as
[37:11] Speaker 3: a result of this. And the thing that people aren't
[37:14] Speaker 3: sort of connecting the dots on is this is connected
[37:17] Speaker 3: to the organized crime in the construction sector. It's also
[37:22] Speaker 3: controlled and connected to international crime networks. Where's this money going?
[37:27] Speaker 3: Like the money laundering that must be happening here is
[37:31] Speaker 3: out of control.
[37:31] Speaker 1: We don't have any.
[37:32] Speaker 3: Visibility of it. Most of it must be going off
[37:35] Speaker 3: to the Middle East. This has gotten to the point
[37:38] Speaker 3: now where it's a national security risk. I think that
[37:40] Speaker 3: what we need to do is have an emergency stop
[37:43] Speaker 3: on collection of excise tax to starve these networks out.
[37:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree completely.
[37:48] Speaker 2: I mean, Carlos, how is it playing out in South
[37:50] Speaker 2: Australia at the moment.
[37:52] Speaker 11: Look, we haven't seen to the extent of crazing that
[37:56] Speaker 11: this goes on in Victoria, but I think where we're
[37:59] Speaker 11: speaking about harving the excize. But it's gotten so bad
[38:03] Speaker 11: now and this is the problem. The government obviously at
[38:05] Speaker 11: the start thought this was a good idea reducing amount
[38:07] Speaker 11: of smokers. It was doing that, but they've gone too
[38:10] Speaker 11: far and they've killed the golden goose. Now not only
[38:12] Speaker 11: are they not getting any excise that are now contributing
[38:15] Speaker 11: to all this crime that's going on. The issue is
[38:17] Speaker 11: they will not back down. They will keep doubling down
[38:21] Speaker 11: and just not not acknowledging the obvious part here, and
[38:24] Speaker 11: unfortunately this is the outcome. We get all this violence
[38:27] Speaker 11: in Victoria, and as we were saying before, it's also
[38:30] Speaker 11: also in the construction industry. And where is all this
[38:32] Speaker 11: money going. That's a very good question.
[38:34] Speaker 2: Let's look again in South Australia where one of the
[38:37] Speaker 2: ways the Labor Party was able to thunk the Libs.
[38:39] Speaker 2: The election before this one was because in part they
[38:42] Speaker 2: were abab to get the ambulance Union to fire up
[38:44] Speaker 2: about ambulance ramping, the idea of people spending too much
[38:47] Speaker 2: time in the back of an ambulance not getting into
[38:49] Speaker 2: a hospital. Why because there's not a bed. Well, of
[38:51] Speaker 2: course it's worse than it was when they first came
[38:55] Speaker 2: to power. They got re elected despite the fact it
[38:57] Speaker 2: was demonstrably worse. And yet again today we see that
[39:00] Speaker 2: there has been further problems with hospital ramping. Yet Carlos,
[39:04] Speaker 2: why is it that the public haven't punished them for
[39:07] Speaker 2: what they punished a previous government for.
[39:11] Speaker 11: Look, I think part of the issue was there was
[39:13] Speaker 11: no opposition. Therefore they thought we'll stick with what we know.
[39:17] Speaker 11: But you're right, the ramping crisis is has gotten worse
[39:20] Speaker 11: and the minister that we have currently I don't think
[39:22] Speaker 11: is up to the task. In fact, he got found
[39:24] Speaker 11: wanting by our first term MP when she questioned him
[39:27] Speaker 11: about some hospitals in her area and he identified hospitals
[39:31] Speaker 11: in a completely different electorate. This is the problem. We
[39:34] Speaker 11: don't have members that are up to the task. And
[39:37] Speaker 11: also it's about allocation of funds and actually wanting to
[39:39] Speaker 11: fix the problem. I just don't think the Labor Party
[39:42] Speaker 11: are interested in fixing the problem here in South Australia.
[39:44] Speaker 11: They're more interested in the sporting events and all the
[39:47] Speaker 11: bells and whistles, and this is why we get what
[39:49] Speaker 11: we get. So unfortunately, until we readdress these things, that's
[39:52] Speaker 11: what's going to happen.
[39:53] Speaker 1: All right, Thank you boys, I do appreciate it. All
[39:55] Speaker 1: the best to you.
[39:56] Speaker 2: We'll talk again in the future to appreciate you both
[39:58] Speaker 2: being on the show tonight.
[39:59] Speaker 1: Just before well we take a break here.
[40:01] Speaker 2: I got a little bit more here about this Nigel
[40:02] Speaker 2: Farrage situation that's playing out in the UK now again
[40:07] Speaker 2: in the past twenty four hours, things to seem to
[40:09] Speaker 2: have taken a particular step up in terms of Nigel
[40:14] Speaker 2: Farrage being deeply offended by some of the behavior of
[40:17] Speaker 2: the media in the United Kingdom. In the past couple
[40:20] Speaker 2: of hours there was some sort of a confrontation and
[40:23] Speaker 2: by that I mean a verbal confrontation when a reporter
[40:26] Speaker 2: from Sky News in the UK. Of course you know
[40:29] Speaker 2: that all we share is a name, but a scenario
[40:32] Speaker 2: there where they went to ask Niger Farrag a question
[40:35] Speaker 2: Niga Farrage was very direct to that reporter that he
[40:38] Speaker 2: didn't want to engage with him or that organization because
[40:42] Speaker 2: of some questioning that they had done earlier in the
[40:44] Speaker 2: day of a family member of his. So again, this
[40:48] Speaker 2: might give us a little bit more indication about what
[40:51] Speaker 2: this statement on his future in public life might be.
[40:55] Speaker 1: So obviously one option is a full retreat.
[40:58] Speaker 2: Another one is to stand up to all of the allegations,
[41:01] Speaker 2: go through the process fight on. Another could be to
[41:05] Speaker 2: speak again about his willingness to be part of it,
[41:08] Speaker 2: but for the media to not go any when his family.
[41:11] Speaker 2: Another option which is possible here too is that he
[41:14] Speaker 2: could have a sudden resignation from the Parliament to force
[41:17] Speaker 2: a by election to give the people of his constituency
[41:20] Speaker 2: an opportunity to re elect him, something that again based
[41:24] Speaker 2: off the national polls and all indications of their local performance.
[41:28] Speaker 2: That would be a way of going to the people
[41:31] Speaker 2: to make a decision not to play it out through
[41:34] Speaker 2: the systems of the swamp, the ones that are deeply
[41:36] Speaker 2: invested of course in reform, not overtaking the Conservatives at
[41:40] Speaker 2: alone replacing Labor. But again we're about an hour and
[41:43] Speaker 2: fifteen minutes away from learning about that. Between that, plenty
[41:46] Speaker 2: of things still to do here on Paul Murray Live.
[41:48] Speaker 2: In fact, we'll go live to London for our mate
[41:51] Speaker 2: Angela Levin to talk a little bit of royals, the
[41:53] Speaker 2: late Debate James Morrow win for reda Pannahee, and in
[41:56] Speaker 2: the middle of that you will see Noge or Farage
[41:58] Speaker 2: on your screen about his future in Part Life, What
[42:01] Speaker 2: a night to be watching.
[42:02] Speaker 1: Telly.
[42:08] Speaker 2: Angel eleven is of course a royal experts. She is
[42:12] Speaker 2: a biographer, she's written many beautiful books and we have
[42:15] Speaker 2: spoken well every now and then, but we haven't spoken
[42:18] Speaker 2: for long enough. So let's get it back on the
[42:19] Speaker 2: Telly right now. As soon as Nigel Faras isn't available.
[42:22] Speaker 2: You were first cab off the rank and plays we
[42:24] Speaker 2: get to talk to you because there is much royal
[42:27] Speaker 2: matters to be discussed, including your mate Prince Harry. He's
[42:30] Speaker 2: on his way back and apparently the palace he's going
[42:33] Speaker 2: to be staying at, Buckingham Palace.
[42:35] Speaker 9: Is this true?
[42:37] Speaker 12: Well, it's changed several times and it's actually made it
[42:42] Speaker 12: determined to stay there. But I don't know if he
[42:45] Speaker 12: can because it's still a lot of building work there
[42:48] Speaker 12: and they need to make sure that it's safe for him.
[42:51] Speaker 12: He's being unbelievably difficult. And I tried to find out
[42:57] Speaker 12: this morning and I had someone said who knew is coming,
[43:00] Speaker 12: and someone said he's not coming. So we don't know
[43:03] Speaker 12: what's going on really, but he is actually out to
[43:06] Speaker 12: make a lot of nastiness and difficulty and make his
[43:12] Speaker 12: father look very very awful and unhelpful and unloving. It's
[43:19] Speaker 12: just a terrible thing because he's been going on and
[43:21] Speaker 12: on about how much he wanted to see his father,
[43:24] Speaker 12: He misses him so much, and he was going to
[43:27] Speaker 12: bring the children and you know, he must make the
[43:31] Speaker 12: time and the space. And actually now he's being so
[43:34] Speaker 12: cruel because a lot of people are blaming the king,
[43:37] Speaker 12: but you can't blame the king because it's not up
[43:40] Speaker 12: to the king to have a son who's coming at
[43:43] Speaker 12: very odd dates and changing their mind four or five
[43:47] Speaker 12: times in a couple of days.
[43:49] Speaker 2: Now we know that the previous reasons he's been back
[43:52] Speaker 2: in the UK was for legal proceedings. Is that the
[43:54] Speaker 2: reason why he's returning this time and he's tacking on
[43:57] Speaker 2: the family bit to war off it?
[43:58] Speaker 1: Or is the purpose?
[43:59] Speaker 10: I know this?
[44:00] Speaker 2: In Victors Games opportunity that's there as well. But why
[44:04] Speaker 2: is he returning this time to the UK?
[44:08] Speaker 12: Well, I think he wants to make trouble, but as
[44:11] Speaker 12: well with Invictor's games in twenty nine twenty twenty seven,
[44:16] Speaker 12: there's going to be another games there. There is absolutely
[44:20] Speaker 12: no reason to do anything a year before, but Harry
[44:25] Speaker 12: feels that there is, so he wants to discuss things
[44:29] Speaker 12: and talk about things, and I suspect get very expensive
[44:33] Speaker 12: clothes for Megan and get the best hotel and that
[44:37] Speaker 12: sort of thing. It's only just a chat now, it's
[44:40] Speaker 12: not actually doing anything that is really important. And a
[44:44] Speaker 12: lot of the people from Birmingham where the place is
[44:48] Speaker 12: taking taking the places taking on, they don't want them
[44:53] Speaker 12: because they spoil it. Because Meghan wants to make speeches
[44:57] Speaker 12: knowing nothing, and Harry wants her to enjoy it, so
[45:01] Speaker 12: he's there for her, and this time she's going to
[45:04] Speaker 12: make it come along as well she was as she
[45:07] Speaker 12: might still be doing that. But I think it's just
[45:10] Speaker 12: to actually find reasons for coming here and for being difficult,
[45:16] Speaker 12: and my goodness hasn't done that.
[45:18] Speaker 2: Well absolutely now. Andrew matten Windsor, formerly Prince Andrew, there
[45:24] Speaker 2: was a moment in a interview, which was that I'm
[45:28] Speaker 2: not sweening interview, the whole walls fell.
[45:30] Speaker 1: Down, of course, in relation to all of this.
[45:32] Speaker 2: I just want to replay that interview and then we'll
[45:34] Speaker 2: speak on from here about why Pizza Express is involved
[45:38] Speaker 2: in all of this.
[45:40] Speaker 6: I've taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in working for
[45:46] Speaker 6: a party. Going to pizza Express in working is an
[45:50] Speaker 6: unusual thing for me to do, a very unusual thing
[45:54] Speaker 6: for me to do.
[45:55] Speaker 1: I've never been.
[45:55] Speaker 6: I've only been through working a couple of times, and
[45:58] Speaker 6: I remember it weirdly distinctly as soon as somebody reminded
[46:02] Speaker 6: me of it.
[46:03] Speaker 1: Oh yes, I remember that.
[46:05] Speaker 2: There's the headline suggesced there's no evidence for this, meaning
[46:08] Speaker 2: some course I had to sit there and look back
[46:09] Speaker 2: over how many days and all the rest of it here,
[46:12] Speaker 2: But tell us about Pizza Express gate.
[46:15] Speaker 12: Well, people, that was that his daughter was alleged to
[46:19] Speaker 12: have been with him, so he couldn't have been behaving
[46:23] Speaker 12: badly elsewhere, and so that's where he said, and she
[46:28] Speaker 12: had friends for the party, and he was there to
[46:31] Speaker 12: jolly you up the party. But they've not decided to
[46:35] Speaker 12: look into this very carefully and see if that's true
[46:39] Speaker 12: that they remember having a prince there, And apparently they've
[46:44] Speaker 12: gone through page after page. You can imagine how much
[46:47] Speaker 12: they would take, how much time it would take them,
[46:50] Speaker 12: and they can't find any date where they've written down
[46:54] Speaker 12: his coming along. So it depends who you want to believe.
[46:59] Speaker 12: But I would think that they would put it down
[47:01] Speaker 12: for prince to come along and have a pizza with them.
[47:06] Speaker 2: Angela, we owe you one thank you for helping us tonight.
[47:08] Speaker 2: We look forward to talking to you in the future.
[47:10] Speaker 2: All the best, but thank you. Angela Levin excellent insight
[47:14] Speaker 2: into the royal family. She's written a wonderful book about
[47:17] Speaker 2: Kim Miller. She's also written one about Harry. She is
[47:20] Speaker 2: an expert on all things in the House of Windsor.
[47:23] Speaker 2: We'll make sure that we continue our conversations with her,
[47:25] Speaker 2: and I'll also link you up to her socials online.
[47:28] Speaker 2: Quick break back with more here on palul Marie Live.
[47:30] Speaker 2: Let's have a look at some of those idiots on
[47:31] Speaker 2: social media called the people who run our country. Next,
[47:40] Speaker 2: so we work hard, you work hard. We pay too
[47:43] Speaker 2: much tax, we pay politicians too much, and we pay
[47:45] Speaker 2: the people who work for them too much to make
[47:48] Speaker 2: crap social media videos like this one of a labor
[47:51] Speaker 2: inp from Sydney.
[47:52] Speaker 1: We're giving first home buyers a fair go and introducing paydays.
[47:58] Speaker 8: We're delivering a tax cut for all US workers.
[48:00] Speaker 9: Out of pay romans for more than three million workers.
[48:05] Speaker 1: Well this one about batteries.
[48:08] Speaker 13: Nineteen ninety six.
[48:09] Speaker 1: It was a big year.
[48:10] Speaker 13: I was busy playing Mario on my Nintendo sixty four.
[48:13] Speaker 13: One thousand, nine hundred and ninety six is the number
[48:16] Speaker 13: of batteries we've installed across Perth with Labour's Cheaper Home
[48:19] Speaker 13: Batteries program. A great way to power you Nintendo sixty
[48:23] Speaker 13: four or to help people switch to renewal energy and.
[48:28] Speaker 1: Our role made from Queensland. So glad we work hard
[48:43] Speaker 1: and pay the taxes.
[48:43] Speaker 2: Right here's a late debate the Niger Farras announcement an
[48:46] Speaker 2: hour from now

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